They are, it’s not often you see sets in movies have ceilings and in the shinning nearly every room of the overlook does and some of the rooms are huge.
King always sympathised with Jack Torrance because he was writing about himself, hence his anger at Kubrick. But for me, seeing this at a young age, with a father who liked the bottle, the idea that your own father could fly into a murderous rage and hurt, even kill you, given the right circumstances cut me to the bone. It was horrifying and real. The film takes Danny's side more. That's the side I connected with.
I think about this film way too much, but my latest developing theory is that Kubrick's Jack is actually meant to be King. As in, King first made Jack in his own image in the novel, based on his own alcoholism struggles, and made Jack redemptive, sympathetic and kind of a tragic hero. But Kubrick reinterpreted it and made Jack into a rotten guy with evil lurking inside him from the get-go. This is why King was so upset. Kubrick is commenting on King with his changes to Jack. It bothered King so much that he had to go and make the more faithful 90s miniseries, with his own original version of Jack.
Kubrick simply took the idea and changed it. The same thing happened with Blade Runner. The book (Do Androids Dream if Electric Sheep?) was completely different. Also The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker and a few other Fleming Bond novels were completely re-imagined.
Have not seen The Shining in years so I could be wrong here, but doesn't the film pretty much imply that Jack has had some anger management problems before they go to the hotel? And his wife (can't remember the character name) certainly looks weak and scared before the axe starts swinging. The mysterious line "you've always been the caretaker" could imply that Jack always had it in him to kill his family.
Oliver, love your content. I had the privilege to view the Shining in 35mm several years ago. My buddy was raving about how there was a single shot that had never been color corrected properly, but I can’t remember which. The audio was sourced from the original optical track, which was very degraded. The distortion from the audio track only added to the terror, as any hard clipping produced an ear shattering screech. This was at the Parkway cinema in Baltimore, MD.
Saw the full extended version in a theater. It looked beautiful. First time seeing The Shining, and it’s an absolute masterpiece. Being filmed in locations I’m familiar with made it even more eerie. And the baseball bat scene was truly terrifying.
just one fact, Wendy Carlos’ original scores are mostly deleted from the film, only the title sequence and a short sequence of jack driving actually used Wendy’s score. Most of the soundtrack are just some contemporary music pieces from various composers.
Tom Linn Yes. I heard that it was also Kubrick’s choice to use the classical pieces that he gave gave to the composer Alex North as temp tracks to replace the actual scores written by him.
I think it's interesting that Roger Ebert initially didn't connect with the characters when it first came out, because in 2006, he changed his mind and wrote a Great Movies essay about it.
@Gregory Hill i think it's also that ge pretty much had to change his mind to keep his reputation. being a paid critic requires that other critics respect you and if you don't have the same opinion as them then you're the oddball and heretic
They were told this was A MASTERPIECE OF MODERN HORROR. What they saw was Jack Nicholson being too charismatic to be terrifying and Shelley Duvall too ridiculous being terrified. Once that expectation died down, people were able to rediscover it on its merits. This is why I don’t trust anyone’s opinions on a film when it first comes out. Too many factors interfere with a fair judgment. This movie is a prime example of that.
Yep. It’s not the first time that a film has been ridiculed on its initial release. Shawshank Redemption, Empire Strikes Back, Blade Runner and maybe half of all of Kubrick’s films.
Check out the 1st Golden Rasberry Awards. It's a complete joke. Some of the nominees for worst director were: Stanley Kubrick (for Shining obviously), Gordon Willis for Windows, William Friedkin for Cruising and Brian de Palma for Dressed to Kill. The worst picture nominees included: Xanadu, Cruising and Friday the 13th. Michael Caine was also a nominee for the worst actor that year, while Shelley Duvall was a nominee for worst actress for her role in The Shining. So yes, I think they were fucking insane.
VHS and the original dvd is fine. They actually are in 4:3 ratio, which was apparently how Kubrick intended you to see it. There are some scenes where candles or ceiling lights were cropped out of the image to turn it into a widescreen (1:85:1) image. Some fans claim that 40% of the image is cropped out of widescreen versions.
Hello Oliver, greetings from Chile. I too love "The Shinning" and did't know about the two versions of the movie. Thanks for making these 4K commentaries that are very useful for many people to decide of you need to upgrade the titles in their collections. For me 4K is a good way to enjoy movies but although is a bit expensive, man is awesome.
Wendy Carlos only did a small part of the score: the title sequence and the family trip to the Overlook. Most of it is a mixture of 20th century classical, by Bartok, Ligeti, and mostly the Polish composer Penderecki.
If I'm not mistaken, Kubrick began as a photographer, so it makes sense that he had a great eye when it came to shooting his films. One of the all-time great directors.
This movie was one of the very first horror movies I ever watched. My dad recorded it on VHS from TV and I got to watch it with him. I loved horror ever since.
I remember seeing commercials for this movie and was planning to see it. But, two days before its release date, "Star Wars- Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back" was released, and I went to see that! Multiple times! I didn't see "The Shining" until I rented it from Errol's years later. Unfortunately, I missed out on the "Theater Experience" and got the "Living Room Experience" instead.
Classic film. I find it genuinely frightening. It's one of those films that really got under my skin. I have the extended blu ray edition but not the 4K version. Still debating whether the upgrade is worth the £20 right now.
I have to see Deathtrap now, Christopher Reeve would have been a great choice for the role.
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Deathtrap is a very enjoyable film. From what I remember (I haven't seen it in a couple of decades, but I watched it a LOT as a kid), it had some lapses in logic, but the performances alone made it a real blast.
Great review, I think the big issue between Kubrick's version of the story, and King's, is that King's is about the descent into madness for a man, and Kubrick's Jack represents the evil of mankind.
Even Eraserhead feels almost like a Charlie Chaplin film compared to The Shining. However it predates The Shining and was also Lynch's first feature. But I would say that Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive are two of the best Shining-like films. The first act of Lost Highway in particular, is right up there with The Shining, very similar psych-horror awesomeness.
Fun fact: while Kubrick was filming The Shining, he invited some of the crew over to dinner, then said, “Let me show you one of my favourite films.” And he showed them Eraserhead! They told Lynch soon after when he was filming The Elephant Man, and he was over the moon when he heard...
@@jonathanmelia very cool story, I also love how Empire Strikes Back and The Shining were being shot at the same studio, and Lucas and Kubrick would meet up. I especially find it fascinating because of the parallels between ESB and The Shining - talking to ghosts, objects moving by magic, slow motion vision sequences... and the Shine is kind of similar to the Force. I also think Lynch should have directed ROTJ! Lucas asked him but he turned it down. Lynch was a pretty big deal at that time, a hot young director. But then he made Dune instead which was a traumatic failure that he still doesn't want to talk about. That's actually why Eraserhead has sci-fi elements but post-Dune he totally expunged sci-fi from his style. Dune burnt him off it.
Hi Oliver this is the first video of yours I've seen. It was an excellent watch, you summed it up brilliantly. Seriously great work. The Shining is a personal favourite of mine as I've grown older, the whole cast done a fantastic job. I've came to the conclusion the most likely theory for what's going on at the Overlook Hotel is the " Wendy Theory ".
Does anyone else hate it when studios release classic films on 4K and for the Blu Ray they just repackage the previous one from years ago? Luckily, that’s not the case for every film, such as the Star Wars Skywalker Saga films and the Back to the Future trilogy and I’m glad it’s not the case for this.
Possibly now my favorite film ever, overtaking the long holder of Tremors. It's easily the scariest comedy ever made and the funniest horror ever made. It can switch depending on your mood. Truly a camelion of a film. A true masterpiece.
I have a question (possibly stupid). Is HRD accurate to film, meaning is it what the camera originally captured and HDR allows it to be viewed as it was intended, or is it like an enhancement? Like how some tvs artificially motion smooth?
For the first time ever you finally did it, a video about The Shining. I wish you do a retrospective review some of the other movies of Stanley Kubrick because they're mostly perfect.
When I first saw this movie I had actually watched a broadcast of the extended edit, something I only found out about to my dismay when I grabbed the UK DVD release. Fortunately that was resolved for me with the remastered US release. You could argue that it's simply because I was used to seeing the full version that I didn't much care for the shorter version but to be honest I think the longer cut, by weaving a bit more of the relatively mundane into the story, creates a better view into the plight of the cast and Jack's descent into madness.
When i saw it first time , i didn't get it . But watching it couple of times, it became one of my favorite films. The extended version is totally worth it.
I watched one of the 4K premiers at tiff a few months ago and it was a completely different experience but equally as unbelievable. But the biggest difference seeing the 4K in the theatre wasn’t the visuals, it was the music and the sounds that really hit the most which was more based on the fact I was seeing it in the theatre, nonetheless upped the experience somehow even more than when I had seen it three times before on my tv
After seeing this film on vhs there is no doubt in my mind it was composed for 4:3. They used that aspect ratio on vhs and the later dvd for a reason. (Cuz Kubrick said so.) Warner Brothers is crazy, they put the original audio on Superman 4k for the first time, but remix everything else, even replacing sound effects on Batman. I'm almost afraid buying 4k discs because of the TINKERING. The comparison shots certainly do show WB remastering department's favorite cyan/orange boost in the opening scenes, but the blue-night scenes are now desaturated, wut is going on there WB?
Kubrick framed all of his movies for 4:3 after 2001 a space oddessy. Ita because he realised his movies would eventually watched on cropped tellys and pan and scan was rubbish.
YES there is no difference between chopping off the sides, or chopping off the top and bottom. But these days we don't get the "formatted for your TV" warnings. :(
I love Stanley Kubricks films because they're always filled with so many tiny details and he would do whatever it took to get a scene exactly right, but the Shining is by far my favorite
I wouldn't call it a 'King flick' at all, pretty much nothing like the book. If you want to watch the king version, there is a tv mini series that follows the book closely, its shit.
You keep referencing Wendy Carlos' score - she only really composed two pieces of music for the film, the opening, and the piece that accompanies the journey to the Overlook. The rest is found classical music. And so really it's these classical pieces that give it its menace.
@ My point was: that it's quite wrong to reference "Wendy Carlos' score" as if it runs throughout the film, and is a prominent feature - it isn't. The massive majority of the music in the film is found classical.
Andy Carlos has composed some excellent music! Sadly, for whatever reason, she disappeared after Tron. I recently picked up a copy of a Switched on Bach lp for a dollars. Definitely a great deal! She’s the queen of the Moog as far as I’m concerned.
No. Kubrick burned all deleted scenes from his movies before dying out of fear of Extended Cuts being made. Unless someone stole a copy of the original cut during it's one and only public showing, the scenes are gone forever. Don't lose all hope though - the original cut of 2001 (15 minutes longer than the one we know) was recently found hidden in a salt mine.
This film gave me nightmares for weeks. I kept hearing that damned tennis ball hitting against the wall of the Overlook. And the music...Kubrick was bloody brilliant! I can't wait for Dr. Sleep and checking in room 237 again. I left my ex-wife there...
Ironically most of Wendy Carlos’ score was not used in the film. Kubrick, as usual, preferred his temp score featuring selections from Gyogi Ligeti, Bela Bartok and Kryztof Penderecki which were pitch perfect and matched the editorial of the film perfectly.
Interestingly Kubrick took on this adaptation as he hadn't had a hit since 2001: A Space Odyssey, and having turned down The Exorcist and seeing it become a colossal hit, he decided a more populist, horror film is what he should do. So he adapted a novel by the then most talked about blockbuster horror novelist.
I like Stephan King, and he can hate this movie all he wants, but no matter how much he hates it, this movie has gain a ALOT of fans from it! Hell, most people like me, were introduce to Stephan Kings work after this film! I found this movie to be SO GOOD, I wanted to see more Stephan King adaptations! RIP Stanley Kubrick! You made a lot of great films! And The Shining is one of your best!
The snow was always blue in VHS. The skin tones were natural, not like here where Jack is orange at 5:16 and Wendy looks like a walking corpse at the top of the stairs.
I agree about the longer US cut - I'd never seen the scenes before and thought it was a new cut or something but didn't realise it was a US version. I preferred it though as it filled out a few little details and rounded Wendy's character out a lot better - I've always found her really bad in this film but for the first time, I actually appreciated her role more because of a little more context and more scenes.
That Minotaur theory was not batshit crazy, it explained how the maze got in the story, and what's with that buffalo head on the wall behind Jack's head when he is going batshit crazy. And the woman in the film Room 237 points out, in the interview scene the boss explained why the hotel wasn't open for skiing, so there is no reason for a skiing poster to be on the wall.
The new version seems a bit too blurred due to the 35mm blow up. It seems it could have had more of the original photographic material grain in it. I'm not sure if they filtered out a bit and than compensate that with a slight bit of sharpness filter because you definitely can make out some very little edge enhancement on the blue ray version, what's a total no go. I screened via a full hd projector and I was a bit disappointed. It could be more film-like analogish looking for me. But I'm very pleased with the new color grading. They done a great job here and it fits the tone of the film perfectly. And it fits Kubricks love for a naturalistic look more than older transfers. All in all a good release but not 100% convincing.
@@kascnef That's for sure for collectors reasons anyway. But I don't like the full frame ratio there too much. You clearly see that the photographic frame was composed for matted theatrical screenings. So I'm relatively content with the new version. It's a good compromise.
1. Thank you 2. New DTS master audio mix is better than lossless PCM 5.1? Why? 3. 8:01 "bear in mind you can only get this regular blu-ray with this 4k release" isn't it the same as the old bluray released 12 years ago?
I'm pretty fine with the 4k I got it for Christmas I must say there are a few scenes were they make TO grey wich makes it look a bit to dark especially in the bat scene but I still like it
King didn't really get that Kubrick basically hollowed out his story, mirrored it and filled it with as many hidden messages as possible. Otherwise Kubrick wouldn't have been interested in a haunted hotel story.
Christopher Reeve would have been great if there was a film version closer to the novel. I actually think the book is more about abuse than alcoholism. Yes, Jack clearly has a drinking problem as his father did but his father was also a wife/child beater and Jack is personally terrified of his own propensity for violence. It's this "monster inside" that the Overlook Hotel slowly uses to chip away at Jack and to destroy the family.
Ya know I just learned that the international cut of this movie was 25 minutes shorter in the past several days... and you've got me kind of curious to see _that_ version. I mean, 25 whole minutes shorter?! That's gotta be a significant change. It's not like we're talking about LOTR here. How do you completely cut Jack's alcoholism from the movie? Does he even talk with Lloyd the bartender at all the first time? What does that look like? And if Scatman's journey is cut short, does that include his ROFLMAO "completely unreliable assholes" line? That's his best line of the movie. Do you even get to see his bedroom art? So many questions!
No mono track??? Such an easy thing for them to have included. Who made that decision? 4k has enough room to put the original print and mono track. Maybe they plan to release a deluxe edition or something?
Many reviewers refer to the score as being by Wendy Carlos. She did the "original" score, which is actually very little of the film. The majority of music cues that we all think are iconic come from existing compositions by classical composers...Bartok, Ligeti, Penderecki. Much like Kubrick did with 2001. Nothing against Wendy Carlos, but it's not right that she gets credit in so many people's minds for the work of other composers.
Still one of my favorite horror films
The sets are amazing in this film
They are, it’s not often you see sets in movies have ceilings and in the shinning nearly every room of the overlook does and some of the rooms are huge.
King always sympathised with Jack Torrance because he was writing about himself, hence his anger at Kubrick. But for me, seeing this at a young age, with a father who liked the bottle, the idea that your own father could fly into a murderous rage and hurt, even kill you, given the right circumstances cut me to the bone. It was horrifying and real. The film takes Danny's side more. That's the side I connected with.
I think about this film way too much, but my latest developing theory is that Kubrick's Jack is actually meant to be King. As in, King first made Jack in his own image in the novel, based on his own alcoholism struggles, and made Jack redemptive, sympathetic and kind of a tragic hero. But Kubrick reinterpreted it and made Jack into a rotten guy with evil lurking inside him from the get-go. This is why King was so upset. Kubrick is commenting on King with his changes to Jack. It bothered King so much that he had to go and make the more faithful 90s miniseries, with his own original version of Jack.
Kubrick simply took the idea and changed it. The same thing happened with Blade Runner. The book (Do Androids Dream if Electric Sheep?) was completely different. Also The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker and a few other Fleming Bond novels were completely re-imagined.
Have not seen The Shining in years so I could be wrong here, but doesn't the film pretty much imply that Jack has had some anger management problems before they go to the hotel? And his wife (can't remember the character name) certainly looks weak and scared before the axe starts swinging. The mysterious line "you've always been the caretaker" could imply that Jack always had it in him to kill his family.
King’s just jealous Kubrick took his book and made it exceptionally better than it was.
Oliver, love your content. I had the privilege to view the Shining in 35mm several years ago. My buddy was raving about how there was a single shot that had never been color corrected properly, but I can’t remember which. The audio was sourced from the original optical track, which was very degraded. The distortion from the audio track only added to the terror, as any hard clipping produced an ear shattering screech. This was at the Parkway cinema in Baltimore, MD.
Saw the full extended version in a theater. It looked beautiful. First time seeing The Shining, and it’s an absolute masterpiece. Being filmed in locations I’m familiar with made it even more eerie. And the baseball bat scene was truly terrifying.
I can’t stand the female actress
just one fact, Wendy Carlos’ original scores are mostly deleted from the film, only the title sequence and a short sequence of jack driving actually used Wendy’s score. Most of the soundtrack are just some contemporary music pieces from various composers.
Was this Kubricks choice?
Tom Linn Yes. I heard that it was also Kubrick’s choice to use the classical pieces that he gave gave to the composer Alex North as temp tracks to replace the actual scores written by him.
I think it's interesting that Roger Ebert initially didn't connect with the characters when it first came out, because in 2006, he changed his mind and wrote a Great Movies essay about it.
@Gregory Hill I'm reading the book right now.
@Gregory Hill i think it's also that ge pretty much had to change his mind to keep his reputation. being a paid critic requires that other critics respect you and if you don't have the same opinion as them then you're the oddball and heretic
I’ve spent the last few weeks binge watching all your retrospective reviews...top shelf content, love it
I've just recently come across your channel and I've enjoyed going through all of your uploads.... You are criminally undersubcribed!
Check out Rossatron as well. If I’m not mistaken they actually know each other
I don’t think you’ve done this already, but you should do a shining retrospective. I know they’re a lot of work but I love watching those.
It's like the critics were all on crazy pills, seriously wtf.
They were told this was A MASTERPIECE OF MODERN HORROR. What they saw was Jack Nicholson being too charismatic to be terrifying and Shelley Duvall too ridiculous being terrified. Once that expectation died down, people were able to rediscover it on its merits. This is why I don’t trust anyone’s opinions on a film when it first comes out. Too many factors interfere with a fair judgment. This movie is a prime example of that.
Yep. It’s not the first time that a film has been ridiculed on its initial release. Shawshank Redemption, Empire Strikes Back, Blade Runner and maybe half of all of Kubrick’s films.
Look at the critic rotten tomato score for The Joker. The same thing all over again.
@@cheesysped You mean Taxi Driver + King of Comedy + A guy in clown makeup.
Check out the 1st Golden Rasberry Awards. It's a complete joke.
Some of the nominees for worst director were: Stanley Kubrick (for Shining obviously), Gordon Willis for Windows, William Friedkin for Cruising and Brian de Palma for Dressed to Kill. The worst picture nominees included: Xanadu, Cruising and Friday the 13th. Michael Caine was also a nominee for the worst actor that year, while Shelley Duvall was a nominee for worst actress for her role in The Shining.
So yes, I think they were fucking insane.
S**t, i am still on VHS man
I still have the dvd but you just beat me
Me too
Derek McCumber If you take into account HDR, 4K Blu-rays are WAY better than standard Blu-rays
VHS and the original dvd is fine. They actually are in 4:3 ratio, which was apparently how Kubrick intended you to see it. There are some scenes where candles or ceiling lights were cropped out of the image to turn it into a widescreen (1:85:1) image. Some fans claim that 40% of the image is cropped out of widescreen versions.
Hello Oliver, greetings from Chile. I too love "The Shinning" and did't know about the two versions of the movie. Thanks for making these 4K commentaries that are very useful for many people to decide of you need to upgrade the titles in their collections. For me 4K is a good way to enjoy movies but although is a bit expensive, man is awesome.
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Wendy Carlos only did a small part of the score: the title sequence and the family trip to the Overlook. Most of it is a mixture of 20th century classical, by Bartok, Ligeti, and mostly the Polish composer Penderecki.
The Shining finally makes sense in Europe too. 144m (European cut was 119m)
Amazing review as always, Oliver :)
Oliver - another fantastic review. Still seems you're an underdiscovered gem here on UA-cam.
Does anyone have fading issues with dark stuff on Samsung tvs
If I'm not mistaken, Kubrick began as a photographer, so it makes sense that he had a great eye when it came to shooting his films. One of the all-time great directors.
I do love that pattern on the carpet! I wanna get one of my own!
This movie was one of the very first horror movies I ever watched. My dad recorded it on VHS from TV and I got to watch it with him. I loved horror ever since.
I guess for the fortieth anniversary they'll just have to do a *special edition* .
Christopher Reeve would have been a really interesting choice.
He would be super man
Or even Robin Williams.
I agree! Reading the book, I may imagine him or *Michael Moriarty*
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I remember seeing commercials for this movie and was planning to see it. But, two days before its release date, "Star Wars- Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back" was released, and I went to see that! Multiple times! I didn't see "The Shining" until I rented it from Errol's years later. Unfortunately, I missed out on the "Theater Experience" and got the "Living Room Experience" instead.
Great review, Oliver. Informative and concise. You're the best!
Classic film. I find it genuinely frightening. It's one of those films that really got under my skin. I have the extended blu ray edition but not the 4K version. Still debating whether the upgrade is worth the £20 right now.
I have to see Deathtrap now, Christopher Reeve would have been a great choice for the role.
Deathtrap is a very enjoyable film. From what I remember (I haven't seen it in a couple of decades, but I watched it a LOT as a kid), it had some lapses in logic, but the performances alone made it a real blast.
Deathtrap is a fun movie. And yes it's true - the performances sell the whole thing. Caine, Reeve and Cannon are terrific.
Great review, I think the big issue between Kubrick's version of the story, and King's, is that King's is about the descent into madness for a man, and Kubrick's Jack represents the evil of mankind.
No other film has the same feel as this one, except maybe Eraserhead. I'll always wish Stanley Kubrick had made more horror films.
Even Eraserhead feels almost like a Charlie Chaplin film compared to The Shining. However it predates The Shining and was also Lynch's first feature. But I would say that Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive are two of the best Shining-like films. The first act of Lost Highway in particular, is right up there with The Shining, very similar psych-horror awesomeness.
Fun fact: while Kubrick was filming The Shining, he invited some of the crew over to dinner, then said, “Let me show you one of my favourite films.” And he showed them Eraserhead! They told Lynch soon after when he was filming The Elephant Man, and he was over the moon when he heard...
@@jonathanmelia very cool story, I also love how Empire Strikes Back and The Shining were being shot at the same studio, and Lucas and Kubrick would meet up. I especially find it fascinating because of the parallels between ESB and The Shining - talking to ghosts, objects moving by magic, slow motion vision sequences... and the Shine is kind of similar to the Force.
I also think Lynch should have directed ROTJ! Lucas asked him but he turned it down. Lynch was a pretty big deal at that time, a hot young director. But then he made Dune instead which was a traumatic failure that he still doesn't want to talk about. That's actually why Eraserhead has sci-fi elements but post-Dune he totally expunged sci-fi from his style. Dune burnt him off it.
Hi Oliver this is the first video of yours I've seen. It was an excellent watch, you summed it up brilliantly. Seriously great work. The Shining is a personal favourite of mine as I've grown older, the whole cast done a fantastic job. I've came to the conclusion the most likely theory for what's going on at the Overlook Hotel is the " Wendy Theory ".
Does anyone else hate it when studios release classic films on 4K and for the Blu Ray they just repackage the previous one from years ago? Luckily, that’s not the case for every film, such as the Star Wars Skywalker Saga films and the Back to the Future trilogy and I’m glad it’s not the case for this.
Possibly now my favorite film ever, overtaking the long holder of Tremors.
It's easily the scariest comedy ever made and the funniest horror ever made. It can switch depending on your mood. Truly a camelion of a film.
A true masterpiece.
How were the day titles?
I saw twitter said that the days were slightly off center.
This channel is an absolute treasure!
are 🇬🇧 and 🇺🇸 aware of the other's version? I didn't know about UK shorter cut till recent
You can see Stanley Kubrick right before Jack walks in to Mr. Ullman office in the window.
I have a question (possibly stupid). Is HRD accurate to film, meaning is it what the camera originally captured and HDR allows it to be viewed as it was intended, or is it like an enhancement? Like how some tvs artificially motion smooth?
For the first time ever you finally did it, a video about The Shining. I wish you do a retrospective review some of the other movies of Stanley Kubrick because they're mostly perfect.
When I first saw this movie I had actually watched a broadcast of the extended edit, something I only found out about to my dismay when I grabbed the UK DVD release. Fortunately that was resolved for me with the remastered US release. You could argue that it's simply because I was used to seeing the full version that I didn't much care for the shorter version but to be honest I think the longer cut, by weaving a bit more of the relatively mundane into the story, creates a better view into the plight of the cast and Jack's descent into madness.
Watched my copy of the new 4K version last night and it was fantastic, though nothing will live up to when I saw it in the theater.
True gem every detail is amazing there Easter eggs everywhere and I strongly believe there are many mysteries to still solve.
When i saw it first time , i didn't get it . But watching it couple of times, it became one of my favorite films. The extended version is totally worth it.
Saw this version at the cinema last night. First time on the big screen. Epic.
This is one the best films ever!!!
One of the true horror films that leaves you unsettled every time you watch it.
I have never seen the shorter international version.
Is there a modern 4k remaster for 2001 Space Odyssey?
It is my favourite Horror movie and the conspiracy theories just amazing my favourite being the moon landing stuff.
It's not a conspiracy ;)
A retrospective in the future?
So can you choose between the two versions of the film? I prefer the shorter version as it depicts isolation better and I dislike the skeleton scene.
I watched one of the 4K premiers at tiff a few months ago and it was a completely different experience but equally as unbelievable. But the biggest difference seeing the 4K in the theatre wasn’t the visuals, it was the music and the sounds that really hit the most which was more based on the fact I was seeing it in the theatre, nonetheless upped the experience somehow even more than when I had seen it three times before on my tv
The tiff theatre that is, not during the festival
After seeing this film on vhs there is no doubt in my mind it was composed for 4:3. They used that aspect ratio on vhs and the later dvd for a reason. (Cuz Kubrick said so.) Warner Brothers is crazy, they put the original audio on Superman 4k for the first time, but remix everything else, even replacing sound effects on Batman. I'm almost afraid buying 4k discs because of the TINKERING. The comparison shots certainly do show WB remastering department's favorite cyan/orange boost in the opening scenes, but the blue-night scenes are now desaturated, wut is going on there WB?
I agree. The night scenes should have that blueish tone. Symbolizes it being extremely cold.
Kubrick framed all of his movies for 4:3 after 2001 a space oddessy. Ita because he realised his movies would eventually watched on cropped tellys and pan and scan was rubbish.
YES there is no difference between chopping off the sides, or chopping off the top and bottom. But these days we don't get the "formatted for your TV" warnings. :(
I only knew of this movie because of the Here’s Johnny line. Because a lot of movies referenced it.
Chris Londo you must not be a big horror genre fan
Ghost Face I did watch John Carpenter’s The Thing though.
Got to see this version of the movie on a cinema, it was an incredible experience
I wish this was a retrospective episode I would love to know more
There are tons of videos about the Shining. Just open your eyes mate.
I love Stanley Kubricks films because they're always filled with so many tiny details and he would do whatever it took to get a scene exactly right, but the Shining is by far my favorite
The song at the end is the creepiest thing about the whole movie.
Watched it recently in 4K looked very good. One of my favourite King flicks.
I wouldn't call it a 'King flick' at all, pretty much nothing like the book. If you want to watch the king version, there is a tv mini series that follows the book closely, its shit.
Amazing Review Again!!!!! I love your knowledge of the filming process! Stanley is the best!
Keep these type of reviews up Oliver. Love em. Also unblock some of your old commentaries that you use to have please.
Why is In Search of Darkness only avilable until Halloween? And what is the status of Last Action Heroes?
You keep referencing Wendy Carlos' score - she only really composed two pieces of music for the film, the opening, and the piece that accompanies the journey to the Overlook. The rest is found classical music. And so really it's these classical pieces that give it its menace.
@ My point was: that it's quite wrong to reference "Wendy Carlos' score" as if it runs throughout the film, and is a prominent feature - it isn't. The massive majority of the music in the film is found classical.
Andy Carlos has composed some excellent music! Sadly, for whatever reason, she disappeared after Tron. I recently picked up a copy of a Switched on Bach lp for a dollars. Definitely a great deal! She’s the queen of the Moog as far as I’m concerned.
I only saw the US version, so that Stephen king's complaint was weird to me. It indeed adds alot about Jack and is family.
You could review Sorcerer from 1977. I watched it recently and loved the performances and photography.
Is that "lost" hospital scene in this version??
No. Kubrick burned all deleted scenes from his movies before dying out of fear of Extended Cuts being made. Unless someone stole a copy of the original cut during it's one and only public showing, the scenes are gone forever. Don't lose all hope though - the original cut of 2001 (15 minutes longer than the one we know) was recently found hidden in a salt mine.
This film gave me nightmares for weeks. I kept hearing that damned tennis ball hitting against the wall of the Overlook. And the music...Kubrick was bloody brilliant! I can't wait for Dr. Sleep and checking in room 237 again. I left my ex-wife there...
Ironically most of Wendy Carlos’ score was not used in the film. Kubrick, as usual, preferred his temp score featuring selections from Gyogi Ligeti, Bela Bartok and Kryztof Penderecki which were pitch perfect and matched the editorial of the film perfectly.
Pity Stan was not more here, he would do the transfert himself
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What's the difference between 4k and UHD? As I was tempted to get this on the microsoft store as it's only £7.99.
UHD is 4k bud, so if you do buy it you will be watching the 4k version.
What'd you think of _Doctor Sleep,_ Mr. Oliver?
The Shining is my favorite horror movie of all time!
When Will the sci-fi doc be kickstarted?
Next year Lance around February/March time I believe. Im not producing that documentary, just been interviewed for it.
How'd you post this comment 2 days ago when this video was just uploaded a few hours ago?
@@FourKaiju You do know how people with Patron draw in those paying people right?
Hell, He says whats what at the end. @ 9:57
@@GrymsArchive I heard of Patron but I have never used it before and am not really familiar with it.
Interestingly Kubrick took on this adaptation as he hadn't had a hit since 2001: A Space Odyssey, and having turned down The Exorcist and seeing it become a colossal hit, he decided a more populist, horror film is what he should do. So he adapted a novel by the then most talked about blockbuster horror novelist.
I eventually ordered the 144 minute version from America on Region Free. Now, I could never watch the shortened cut. Never!
I like Stephan King, and he can hate this movie all he wants, but no matter how much he hates it, this movie has gain a ALOT of fans from it! Hell, most people like me, were introduce to Stephan Kings work after this film! I found this movie to be SO GOOD, I wanted to see more Stephan King adaptations! RIP Stanley Kubrick! You made a lot of great films! And The Shining is one of your best!
Love your videos, preordered in search of darkness.
The snow was always blue in VHS. The skin tones were natural, not like here where Jack is orange at 5:16 and Wendy looks like a walking corpse at the top of the stairs.
Still one of my favourite classic horror movies and by Stanley Kubrick
Fantastic review. Thanks Oliver.
I agree about the longer US cut - I'd never seen the scenes before and thought it was a new cut or something but didn't realise it was a US version. I preferred it though as it filled out a few little details and rounded Wendy's character out a lot better - I've always found her really bad in this film but for the first time, I actually appreciated her role more because of a little more context and more scenes.
Love your reviews oliver!
Loved the picture but the audio mix I found to be very similar to the blu -ray 5.1..expected more but it's OK.
I like my DVD copy, i don't care about ultra HD
StudioSmith same
That Minotaur theory was not batshit crazy, it explained how the maze got in the story, and what's with that buffalo head on the wall behind Jack's head when he is going batshit crazy. And the woman in the film Room 237 points out, in the interview scene the boss explained why the hotel wasn't open for skiing, so there is no reason for a skiing poster to be on the wall.
I love your way of presentation
The new version seems a bit too blurred due to the 35mm blow up. It seems it could have had more of the original photographic material grain in it. I'm not sure if they filtered out a bit and than compensate that with a slight bit of sharpness filter because you definitely can make out some very little edge enhancement on the blue ray version, what's a total no go. I screened via a full hd projector and I was a bit disappointed. It could be more film-like analogish looking for me. But I'm very pleased with the new color grading. They done a great job here and it fits the tone of the film perfectly. And it fits Kubricks love for a naturalistic look more than older transfers. All in all a good release but not 100% convincing.
Keep the 1999 version
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That's for sure for collectors reasons anyway. But I don't like the full frame ratio there too much. You clearly see that the photographic frame was composed for matted theatrical screenings. So I'm relatively content with the new version. It's a good compromise.
@@nichttuntun3364 this was the version seen in cinemas. Doctor sleep was filmed the same way but digitally
@@kascnef You mean open frame 1,33 : 1 ?
1. Thank you
2. New DTS master audio mix is better than lossless PCM 5.1? Why?
3. 8:01 "bear in mind you can only get this regular blu-ray with this 4k release" isn't it the same as the old bluray released 12 years ago?
@@nooneinpart Thank you
@@nooneinpart thank you
I'm pretty fine with the 4k I got it for Christmas I must say there are a few scenes were they make TO grey wich makes it look a bit to dark especially in the bat scene but I still like it
Wow, so many comments!
More 4K disc reviews please Mr Oliver Harper.😁
King didn't really get that Kubrick basically hollowed out his story, mirrored it and filled it with as many hidden messages as possible. Otherwise Kubrick wouldn't have been interested in a haunted hotel story.
Great job as allways!
Can you please do Bone Tomahawk.
Will you do a War movie doc ?
Will you be doing a review of Doctor Sleep when it comes out in theaters?
If i see ewan McGregor is in anything i tend to not bother. He's a bit of a turd magnet, or a walking bowel a producer of giant turds.
Christopher Reeve would have been great if there was a film version closer to the novel. I actually think the book is more about abuse than alcoholism. Yes, Jack clearly has a drinking problem as his father did but his father was also a wife/child beater and Jack is personally terrified of his own propensity for violence. It's this "monster inside" that the Overlook Hotel slowly uses to chip away at Jack and to destroy the family.
Will you do a review on A.I Artificial Intelligence?
Ya know I just learned that the international cut of this movie was 25 minutes shorter in the past several days... and you've got me kind of curious to see _that_ version. I mean, 25 whole minutes shorter?! That's gotta be a significant change. It's not like we're talking about LOTR here. How do you completely cut Jack's alcoholism from the movie? Does he even talk with Lloyd the bartender at all the first time? What does that look like? And if Scatman's journey is cut short, does that include his ROFLMAO "completely unreliable assholes" line? That's his best line of the movie. Do you even get to see his bedroom art? So many questions!
No mono track??? Such an easy thing for them to have included. Who made that decision? 4k has enough room to put the original print and mono track. Maybe they plan to release a deluxe edition or something?
Many reviewers refer to the score as being by Wendy Carlos. She did the "original" score, which is actually very little of the film. The majority of music cues that we all think are iconic come from existing compositions by classical composers...Bartok, Ligeti, Penderecki. Much like Kubrick did with 2001. Nothing against Wendy Carlos, but it's not right that she gets credit in so many people's minds for the work of other composers.
You can tell you really love this movie. I did enjoy the video