Jesus being the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in one scripture: Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace
@@RudyAvelino-j4c “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak from Himself, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.” John 16:13-15 LSB Can you explain to me if Jesus is the Father and Holy Spirit who is the Father hearing from ?
@@DaScripturePlug.Albert Jesus speaking of another Comforter,He literally says he is the Comforter John 14:18 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
@DaScripturePlug.Albert Luke 8:39 39 Return to thy house, and declare how great things GOD hath done for thee. And he went his way, publishing throughout the whole city how great things JESUS had done for him. Know I got a question: Did Luke know Jesus was God or did he make a mistake in that passage?
Amen. The Triune God lives in the faithful. 1 John 4:12 [12] No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 1 Corinthians 3:16 [16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? Galatians 2:20 [20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
You say "Amen" and then cite 1 John 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:16, and Galatians 2:20 to support the idea that the Triune God lives in believers. While these verses beautifully describe the intimate indwelling of God within us, you're misusing them to try and validate the Trinity doctrine. This approach reveals a misunderstanding of the verses themselves and the distinctions within the Godhead that Scripture consistently highlights. Here's why your logic is flawed: Confusing Indwelling with Ontological Unity: You're assuming that because the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit can dwell within believers, it automatically proves they are one being in three co-equal persons. This is a misinterpretation of the concept of indwelling. The Bible describes God's Spirit as the agent through whom He works in the world and within believers (John 14:26, 16:7-15). This indwelling doesn't negate the distinction between God the Father and the Holy Spirit. Similarly, Jesus' statement in Galatians 2:20, "Christ liveth in me," refers to the spiritual union and connection believers have with him through faith. It doesn't mean Jesus is ontologically identical to every believer. Ignoring the Context of 1 John 4:12: This verse, "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us," speaks of God's invisible nature and how His love is manifested through our love for one another. It doesn't define or prove the Trinity. Trinity Contradictions Presented: Here are numerous verses that contradict the Trinity doctrine's core claim of co-equality: The Father is the sole source of life, including Jesus' spirit. (John 5:26, Luke 23:46, Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4, Acts 17:25) Jesus consistently submits to the Father's will, demonstrating a hierarchy within the Godhead. (John 14:28, 1 Corinthians 15:28, Hebrews 5:7) Your attempt to use the concept of indwelling to "prove" the Trinity is a distraction tactic. It avoids the real issue: the Bible never explicitly defines the Trinity as three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one God, and the verses you've cited don't support this doctrine. Here's a more biblically consistent understanding of the verses you presented: 1 John 4:12: This verse emphasizes God's love being manifested through our love for each other, not the Trinity. 1 Corinthians 3:16: This verse speaks of believers being the "temple of God" because the Spirit dwells within them. This highlights the Holy Spirit's role as God's active agent, working in and through believers, not his co-equality with the Father. Galatians 2:20: This verse describes the spiritual union and transformation that occurs when we live by faith in Jesus Christ. It doesn't mean Jesus is literally dwelling in every believer's flesh in the same way that he inhabited his own earthly body. A more accurate understanding of the indwelling of God recognizes the distinction between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father, as the ultimate source of all things, sends His Son and pours out His Spirit to dwell within believers. This doesn't require a Trinitarian interpretation; it aligns with the biblical pattern of God working through His creation to accomplish His purposes. Instead of relying on misinterpretations and proof-texting, I encourage you to engage with the scriptural evidence that challenges the Trinity. Explain how the Father can be the sole source of life while Jesus also possesses inherent life. Show me where the Bible explicitly defines the Trinity. And address the numerous verses that demonstrate Jesus' dependence on the Father. Until you can provide a biblically sound and logically consistent argument for the Trinity, your claims remain unfounded. It's time to stop seeking verses that seem to fit a pre-conceived doctrine and start allowing Scripture to speak for itself, even when it challenges our cherished beliefs.
@@RabbiMalahkYah Your deflecting again. Instead of dealing with the scripture they want to respond by asking multiple question and break them up into multiple segemnts while providing no proof to there claim that you have already countered. For example: @RabbiMalahkYah 38 minutes ago @dougbendo8817 did Jesus not say I and My Father are One? @RabbiMalahkYah 38 minutes ago @dougbendo8817 did Yahveh not say that there is no God like Him? @RabbiMalahkYah 36 minutes ago @dougbendo8817 all that I wrote is backed up with evidence, yet you clumsily accuse myself of assertions . Come on where is your evidence other than the usual babel you provide of logical fallacies, which include cherry picking most of the time . Let's leave one factual Scriptural piece here , who's hand are the saved in , is that the Father's hand or the hand of Jesus ? @RabbiMalahkYah 34 minutes ago @dougbendo8817 what is a Unity ? Look to the main comment section for a responds to your deflections.
@@RabbiMalahkYah You ask, "What is a unity?" This seemingly simple question, in the context of our discussion about the Trinity, points to a deep theological and philosophical conundrum. It forces us to consider how the concept of unity applies to God and how it's portrayed in Scripture. The Trinity doctrine claims that God is a "compound unity," three distinct persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) sharing one essence. However, this creates a logical contradiction: if they truly share the same essence, they can't be genuinely distinct persons with individual wills and actions. They collapse into a single being with three different expressions, making their individual roles meaningless. So, what is true unity when it comes to God? Based on Scripture, without imposing external theological frameworks, here's what we can understand: Unity of Essence and Being: The Bible consistently affirms that there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 44:6). This oneness implies a unity of essence and being, meaning God is not divided or composed of separate parts. Unity of Purpose and Will: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are united in their purpose and will. Jesus repeatedly states that he came to do the Father's will (John 6:38) and that his teachings are not his own but the Father's (John 14:10). The Holy Spirit carries out the Father's will in the world (John 14:26) and testifies to Jesus (John 15:26). Unity of Love and Relationship: The Bible portrays a deep and loving relationship between the Father and the Son. Jesus speaks of the Father's love for him (John 3:35) and his own love for the Father (John 14:31). This love is not merely an abstract concept but a genuine, relational bond. Unity Through Submission: The Son's submission to the Father's will is crucial for understanding their unity. Jesus consistently defers to the Father's authority, acknowledging his dependence on Him. (John 5:19, 14:28, 1 Corinthians 15:28). This submission is not a sign of inferiority but an expression of their perfect unity in purpose and love. The key difference between this biblical understanding of unity and the Trinity doctrine's "compound unity" is this: The Bible portrays a hierarchical unity, with the Father as the source and the Son and Holy Spirit acting in accordance with His will. This allows for genuine distinction and relationship within the Godhead. The Trinity doctrine forces a unity of essence that collapses the distinction between the persons, rendering their individual roles and relationships meaningless. Your question about "what is a unity" exposes the fundamental flaw within the Trinity doctrine. It attempts to define a unity that ultimately undermines the very distinctions it claims to uphold, resulting in a God who is less than Himself. The Bible, however, presents a more coherent and consistent understanding of God's unity-a unity rooted in the Father's ultimate authority, the Son's loving submission, and the Holy Spirit's active agency in carrying out the Father's will.
@dougbendo8817 stop running away from the simple question of who is your Saviour? & by the way I asked about a unity , I never mentioned the Trinity ,so stop jumping about like a toddler
♾️➕️♾️➕️♾️🟰♾️ Quite a simple equation Each person of the Trinity is infinite, but there's still only One infinite God . This video clearly explains the concept of the Trinity & dispelled all the arguments against it ,from whichever heretical belief system it comes from .myths & legends are best suited to pagan beliefs as when asked for evidence ( such as Islamic) there's nothing , as most are either hundreds of years later or thousands of miles away; deep research shows that it's Christianity that alot of pagan mythology borrowed from & not vice versa , as seem in islamic teaching, where Jewish folklore, Gnosticism, Zororastism & the likes of pagan Arabic , Hinduism & Buddhists beliefs are plagiarised, of which it proves it could not have come from one man / one prophet & would have had many influences from many of those who became leader over the centuries. Peace and blessings 🙏✝️🙏
By the infiniy equation, you proved that polytheism is monotheism as well!!! 😂 what an amazing common sense you have!! And that's what Trinitarians want to do! They want to have no difference between polytheism and monotheism so that they prove that the trinity is monotheism!! That's can't work!! You just need to accept the reality!!
@Yassine3333222222 which part of Shema Yisrael Adonai Elohenu Adonai Echad ( Listen Israel the LORD Is God the LORD is God ) don't you understand? Afterall Jesus said, " I and My Father are One " He never said two nor three ,but One
@@RabbiMalahkYah Don't talk about the black stone, while your sins are forgiven by human blo...d sacrif...ce! This ritual is forbidden in the scripture as pagan practices! The only one who wants human blo...d sacrif...ce is Satan and not God!
You assert that "each person of the Trinity is infinite, but there's still only one infinite God" and claim this video dispels all arguments against the Trinity. You dismiss my position as a "pagan belief" based on "myths and legends," then launch into a critique of Islam, accusing it of plagiarism. However, your response is a tangled web of misdirection, unfounded assertions, and a failure to grasp the core issue at hand. Let's unravel your flawed logic: Contradictory Claims: You state that each person of the Trinity is infinite, yet there's only one infinite God. This is a self-contradiction. If each person is truly infinite, then you have multiple infinite beings, which directly contradicts the concept of one infinite God. This statement reveals the inherent logical flaw in the Trinity doctrine's attempt to reconcile "threeness" with "oneness." Empty Boasting: You claim the video "dispels all arguments" against the Trinity, but you haven't addressed a single verse I've presented that challenges the doctrine. Simply declaring victory doesn't make it so. Where is the scriptural evidence for your claim of three infinite persons in one God? Ad Hominem Attacks and Red Herrings: You resort to name-calling, labeling my position "pagan" and based on "myths and legends." This is an ad hominem attack, attempting to discredit my argument by associating it with negative labels rather than engaging with its substance. You then launch into a critique of Islam, accusing it of plagiarism. This is a red herring fallacy-a distraction from the core issue of the Trinity. Ignoring the Scriptural Evidence: You've consistently avoided the numerous verses I've presented that contradict the Trinity's core claims. These verses demonstrate: The Father as the sole source of life, including Jesus' spirit. (John 5:26, Luke 23:46, Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4, Acts 17:25) Jesus' consistent submission to the Father's will, demonstrating a hierarchy within the Godhead. (John 14:28, 1 Corinthians 15:28, Hebrews 5:7) Jesus' process of transformation, his learning of obedience, and his being made perfect, which contradict the idea of him being eternally perfect and co-equal with the Father. (Philippians 2:6-8, Hebrews 5:8-9) Instead of resorting to distractions and mischaracterizations, I challenge you to: Explain how the Father can be the sole source of life while Jesus also possesses inherent, uncreated life, as the Trinity claims. Show me where the Bible explicitly defines the Trinity as three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one God. Don't point to human interpretations or traditions; show me the verse that clearly lays out this doctrine. Reconcile the scriptural evidence of Jesus' transformation and his need for faith with the Trinity's claim of his eternal perfection and co-equality with the Father. Your reliance on unfounded assertions, logical fallacies, and attacks on other belief systems reveals a lack of understanding of both Scripture and the Trinity doctrine itself. A genuine pursuit of truth requires honesty, humility, and a willingness to engage with the full counsel of God's Word, even the parts that challenge our preconceived notions. Until you address the inconsistencies I've raised, your claim that the video dispels all arguments against the Trinity remains an empty boast.
@dazzadizzy5308 : "Oh question! I have a question Albert 🙋♂!! I saw there under Ignatius writings that he called the Father "UNBEGOTTON" and the Son "BEGOTTEN" (Top line in video at the 3:34 mins in) . Please explain what is "unbegotten" and what is "begotten " . Thank you ever so much in advance 😎." Clown albert: "Unbegotten means unique/ only/ etc. We’ve had this conversation before. I kno you like to keep getting beat but atleast try to remember nothing you have brought changes the facts." === Fun fact === Me: what does Unbegotten mean in Latin and Greek? Chat gpt: The term "unbegotten" is significant in Christian theology, especially in discussions of the nature of God and the Trinity. Latin: The Latin term for "unbegotten" is increatus or ingenitus. Increatus literally means "uncreated" or "not made." Ingenitus means "not begotten" or "not generated," emphasizing the aspect of not being born or derived from another. Me: what does Unbegotten mean in Latin and Greek? Google AI The word "unbegotten" is an adjective that means "not begotten" or "having never been generated". It can also mean "self-existent" or "eternal". The prefix "un-" means "not". In theology, "unbegotten" means something is not created, has no beginning, or is eternal. For example, in Trinitarian theology, "unbegotten" means that God has no parent. ==== keep the clown strong albert. keep the clowning strong!
@@dougbendo8817 Jesus is eternally begotten too !!. Doesnt that kinda cancel itself out ? lol Plus you have the word "son" in front of the word "begotten" too , so a "son" how and why call him that if he isnt a son at all? Tri god believing pagans far far far surpass "flat earthers " in brain deadness easily!
Which one of your 3 people God team is resting in Genesis 2:2?? because it says this.... "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work." Who was the "HE" out of the 3 people and did the other two carry on with some "guvvy" jobs afterwards ?
A good start by saying "The Lord God is one Lord" because of the pagans having tri-gods, this is why God had it stated in scripture , but satan thought it funny to make God into 3 !! The irony of thinking this helps you blasphemers , and one Lord is not plural in any way or form !!
Tawheed means unification or unity, from TEWAHEDO, which means the same. Allah's oneness is a myth and not true. If Allah is the sole creator of everything, how come he says he is the BEST OF CREATORS? Who are the other creators if he is the ONLY creator? [37:125] "Will you call upon `Ba`l and forsake the Best of creators, If Allah is one, how is he going to get a diversion/pastime/wife/consort/son from among HIM??? [21:17] Had We intended to take a pastime (i.e. a wife or a son, etc.), We could surely have taken it from Us, if We were going to do (that). Here's hoping Dizzy will finally defend his true religion...I mean cult.
You claim the Trinity is true because Allah's oneness in Islam is supposedly a "myth," citing Quranic verses 37:125 and 21:17 to point out contradictions. You argue that Allah calling himself the "Best of creators" implies other creators, and that Allah needing to "take a pastime" suggests a lack of self-sufficiency. However, this approach is a classic red herring fallacy-a distraction tactic that avoids addressing the core issue at hand: the biblical inconsistencies within the Trinity doctrine itself. Here's why your logic is flawed and irrelevant to our discussion: Irrelevant Argument: The internal consistency or inconsistency of the Quran has no bearing on the validity of the Trinity doctrine. Our conversation is about what the Bible teaches, not about the beliefs or scriptures of other religions. Attempting to "prove" the Trinity by pointing out perceived flaws in Islam is a distraction from the core issue. Misunderstanding Islamic Theology: While I won't delve into Islamic theology, your interpretation of those Quranic verses is likely a misrepresentation of Islamic beliefs. Islam emphasizes the absolute oneness of Allah, and interpretations of those verses within Islamic scholarship would likely provide a different understanding than the one you're presenting. Avoiding the Real Contradictions: You're desperately trying to shift the focus away from the numerous scriptural contradictions I've presented that challenge the Trinity doctrine. These contradictions remain unanswered: The Father is the sole source of life, including Jesus' spirit. (John 5:26, Luke 23:46, Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4, Acts 17:25, Numbers 16:22). This directly contradicts the Trinity's claim of Jesus possessing inherent, uncreated life. Jesus consistently submits to the Father's will, demonstrating a hierarchy within the Godhead. (John 14:28, 1 Corinthians 15:28, Hebrews 5:7). This contradicts the Trinity's claim of co-equality. Instead of resorting to whataboutism and misinterpretations of other religions, I challenge you to: Engage with the specific verses I've cited and explain how they align with the Trinity doctrine. Show me how the Father can be the sole source of life while Jesus also possesses inherent, uncreated life. Explain how Jesus' submission to the Father aligns with the concept of co-equality. Provide clear scriptural evidence-chapter and verse-that explicitly defines the Trinity as three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one God. Your attempts to "prove" the Trinity by attacking the Quran are not only irrelevant but also demonstrate a lack of understanding of both Scripture and the doctrine you're trying to defend. A genuine pursuit of truth requires honesty, humility, and a willingness to grapple with the evidence, not a reliance on distractions and misrepresentations.
@@dougbendo8817 How is your god Allah ONE when it says it's the best of creators, and that it is going to get a consort/wife/son/diversion/pastime from among IT? How does it get a son from among itself if it is one???
@@solascriptura1536You're deflecting again. 1.provide for me where I stated I either believe or advocate for Islam. Albert just proved that he worships three gods. " Godliness = essence" And "persons". You have three persons, three distinct individuals that see themselves as individuals and never claim to be one being throughout all scripture sharing a co-equal essence or co-equality. Yes, my trinitarian simp 😂 you worship multiple gods? Get your theology straight and then you can go deal with Islam.
Trinitarians far far surpass flat earthers of how "thick" they are and off the scale as far as pagan and blasphemous they are too. They are NOT Christian in any way or form .
Bro, your Quran intercedes for you with Allah. Your Quran is uncreated and is the speech of Allah. So the speech of Allah speaks with Allah. More than that, each Surah talks to each other, so 114 persons in the Quran and the Quran is another person and Allah is another person. Amazing theology you guys have.
I like how you and your Unitarian step brother here couldn’t actually say how. Make a claim then that’s it. Then get cooked using that same poor claim when it’s turned on you… yikes
@@DaScripturePlug.Albert LOL 3 different from each other persons all apart from each other all distinct from each other but are ONE GOD!. So you are making GOD 3 separate people but as ONE class of being , as opposed to the Father alone being the Almighty God as one LORD which the bible teaches . You have gone the pagan culture route of trio gods . You even contradict yourself "He showed love , he by himself laid down his life " Who's the "HE"? ermm the son laid down his life not the Father , so this "person" Father didnt die and so according to your logic didnt display the same love as the son did !
In the bible you have: 1. God! 2. Son of God! 3. Spirit of God! Jesus said to worship 1. God! No prophet told us in the whole scripture to worship the son of God nor the spirit of God! Case closed! This is one of 20 methods I have to debunk the Trinity! Each time I put one! 😂
Let me debunk Islam in one verse from the Quran and one verse from the Bible: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23 [43:81] Say [O Prophet]: “If the Most Gracious [truly] had a son, I would be the first to worship him!” Your second point admits Jesus is the Son of God, therefore should be worshipped according to Allah and Jesus. Your entire cult crumbles in one second.
@@solascriptura1536 First of all, who created robots!? God or humans!? Humans! So there's many creators! And God is the best who created the whole universe! Second, honour does not mean worship! Third, many people are sons of God in the bible, which proves that the son of God is only a figure of speech! Not a real son of God! Next question!!
@@Womb_to_Tomb_Apologetics In the Scripture, individuals, including kings, prophets, and others, receive acts of worship, but it does not equate to the divowed to God alone. When they accused Jesus of blasphemy, he refused the accusation that he's God, read next verses : 1. John 8:40: "But now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this." --> So, Jesus, instead of confirming that he's God, he rejected that and said that he's a man! 2. John 10:34, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?" --> So, Jesus equating the term the son of God with judges that are referred to as gods in the scripture, but they're not the true God!
SAME ESSENCE you and me both share the same human essence and nature, but that does not make us one "human" . So just because the Father and Son share the same Divine essence DOES NOT make them One God. This is a fabrication that was created by the Roman Catholic Trinity Doctrine to address the key problem of the Trinity model which states that God is 3 seperate persons = 3 Gods = polytheism. GOD IS ONE BECAUSE HE IS ONE SPIRITUAL PERSON
When people were created, were we created as a multi personal being or single individual beings ? How was the trinity created by the Roman Catholic Church when the Trinity was taught well before by 900 + years?? For example st Ignatius believe in 1 God three persons and he was said to learn under John the apostle? So maybe so some better research
@@DaScripturePlug.Albert Ignatius did write letters to Polycarp and to the church at Smyrna. There are two letters of Ignatius to John preserved in Latin, but these are universally recognized as forgeries dated to the middle ages. There's no reliable evidence to connect Ignatius directly with any of the apostles. Ouch! 😟
You're making a passionate defense of the Trinity, asserting it's the "truth" and claiming it's been the consistent teaching of the Church since its inception. You attempt to address various objections to the Trinity, comparing it to Islamic theology and arguing that the Trinity is "exactly what Jesus and the apostles taught." However, your argument is a house of cards built on a foundation of sand. It crumbles under the weight of its own logical inconsistencies and a misrepresentation of both Scripture and historical reality. Let's break down the flaws in your reasoning, point by point: Circular Reasoning and Unfounded Assertions: You begin by defining the Trinity-"one God, three distinct persons"-and then proceed to use this definition as proof of its existence. This is circular reasoning. You're assuming the conclusion you're trying to prove. You also make sweeping claims about the Trinity being the consistent teaching of the Church throughout history, but you haven't provided any substantial scriptural evidence to support this assertion. Misinterpreting Scriptural Evidence: You cite various verses, including Deuteronomy 6:4, John 1:1, John 8:58, Acts 5:3-4, Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, and Ephesians 2:18, as proof of the Trinity. However, your interpretations are selective and ignore the broader context and the numerous contradictions I've presented: Deuteronomy 6:4 ("The Lord is one") affirms the oneness of God, a concept that those who reject the Trinity also embrace. It doesn't prove the existence of three co-equal persons within the Godhead. John 1:1 ("the Word was God") needs to be read in light of John 5:26, where Jesus explicitly states that the Father granted him to have life. This act of "granting" life contradicts the notion of Jesus possessing inherent, uncreated life, which is a core tenet of the Trinity. John 8:58 ("Before Abraham was, I am") needs to be understood in its proper context. Jesus is identifying himself as the Messiah, the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, not claiming to be Yahweh, the Father, in the same way. The other verses you cite (Acts 5:3-4, Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 2:18) simply mention the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They don't define the Trinity as three co-equal, co-eternal persons or explain the relationship between them in a way that aligns with the doctrine's claims. Misrepresenting Alternative Views: You create straw man arguments by misrepresenting Unitarianism, Modalism, and Arianism. These are complex theological perspectives with a range of beliefs. You're oversimplifying and distorting their views to make them easier to attack. Attacking Islam Instead of Defending the Trinity: You attempt to discredit Islam by pointing out its internal debates about the nature of the Quran and Allah's attributes. This is a red herring fallacy-a distraction from the core issue. The supposed inconsistencies within Islam have no bearing on the validity of the Trinity doctrine. Ignoring the Logical Contradictions: You haven't addressed the fundamental inconsistencies within the Trinity that I've repeatedly highlighted: The Father is the sole source of life, including Jesus' spirit, yet the Trinity claims Jesus possesses inherent, uncreated life. Jesus consistently submits to the Father's will, demonstrating a hierarchy, yet the Trinity claims there's no hierarchy within the Godhead. Jesus went through a transformation, being made perfect, yet the Trinity claims he's eternally perfect and unchanging. Instead of resorting to misrepresentations, distractions, and unfounded assertions, I challenge you to: Engage with the specific verses I've presented that demonstrate the Father's unique role as the source of life and Jesus' dependence on the Father. Explain how those verses align with the Trinity doctrine. Provide clear scriptural evidence-chapter and verse-that explicitly defines the Trinity as three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one God. Your passionate defense of the Trinity, while sincere, lacks a solid biblical foundation. You've failed to demonstrate how the doctrine aligns with the consistent testimony of Scripture. It's time to stop clinging to blind faith and traditions and start grappling with the difficult questions raised by the Bible. A genuine pursuit of truth requires humility, a willingness to question our assumptions, and a commitment to allowing the Bible to speak for itself, even when it challenges our cherished beliefs.
Yay. Another question I can ask and show your view isn’t biblical and false. “And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. You know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.” John 14:16-17 LSB P1 Jesus Is not the Holy Spirit. Nor Is He the Father P2 Another means someone separate and not the same. P3 Jesus asking the Father and the Father sending another Helper shows distinction in persons and that there’s at least three persons shown In the verse. Conclusion: Jesus isn’t asking Himself to send another of Himself.
John 17:3=this is eternal life ,that they may know thee,the only true God,and Jesus Christ ,whom He has sent... These are Jesus's own words and you can trust them,,eternal life is to know the one true God,the Father,,and his only begotten Son,,God begot a Son,I every true sense of the word,a Son equal in nature and divinity,,but the Father is the ultimate source of all ,including His son,, 1 corinthians 8:6=to us there is but 1 God,the Father,,of whom are all things,,1 lord ,Jesus Christ by whom are all things,,, The truth is simple and beautiful,,what's difficult is putting ingrained traditions and preconceived ideas aside ,, The trinity is not only a false doctrine,but it is a satanic agenda that the papal system, who is the antichrist, will bring all denominations together under one false system of worship ,babylon,may God and his Son be with us all on this journey
Now you've listened to this bull crap for 20 mins, read actually truth! 1 John 4:12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. 13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Saviour of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God So notice God didnt come down Himself , His son did!!!!! Albert lied. The spirit is always something that belongs to Father God !! Albert lies about that too. Finally you have to acknowledge Jesus being the son of God !!! Albert is a total mess when asked that question , he hasnt a clue !!! 🤣 Tri God belief is an insult to the One Lord God , it's foundation and origin is from Babylon a HQ of Satanic belief pass down then "Mystery Babylon" the apostate churches of today adopted it along many other pagan insults. Those practicing falsehood do not enter God's kingdom !! Keep that in mind.!!!
Dizzy, you are confused. God himself did come down, in the Son. The Son is God according to the Scriptures. What you mean is The Father did not come down. And to this Christians agree. God Himself came down, the Son. No one has seen God's unveiled Glory, but God.
@@dazzadizzy5308 In remembrance... @Uncommonvirtue777 : "I never said I proved God or the Trinity exists. That would be using theological and scientific and logical arguments. Showing in Scripture it talking about God, does not prove God exists. It just proves the Bible says, what it says about God."
Have you ever read the Old testament? Plenty have said they've seen the face of God and lived. Guess why? Cuz they saw the Angel of the Lord which was Jesus and Jesus is the image of the Father. Jesus is God.
Great Video
Da Scripture Plug.Albert God Bless
Thank you brother. God bless you and thanks for your continued support
@@DaScripturePlug.Albert Your Most Welcome My Brother You Will Always Have my Support
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Jesus being the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in one scripture:
Isaiah 9:6
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace
@@RudyAvelino-j4c “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak from Himself, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.”
John 16:13-15 LSB
Can you explain to me if Jesus is the Father and Holy Spirit who is the Father hearing from ?
@@DaScripturePlug.Albert
Jesus speaking of another Comforter,He literally says he is the Comforter
John 14:18
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
@DaScripturePlug.Albert
Luke 8:39
39 Return to thy house, and declare how great things GOD hath done for thee. And he went his way, publishing throughout the whole city how great things JESUS had done for him.
Know I got a question:
Did Luke know Jesus was God or did he make a mistake in that passage?
God Bless you brother 🙏
Hello sister! God bless you!
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According to the Bible, God is the creator, not creation
The creation cannot be the creator!!!
Loved the video man. Needed a refresher on the topic. Praise God! ✝
Amen! That’s what it’s about. God bless you
11:38 guess who else is one with Jesus and the father
Why its the disciples of course
According to who
Why Jesus himself
Amen. The Triune God lives in the faithful.
1 John 4:12
[12] No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 Corinthians 3:16
[16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Galatians 2:20
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
You say "Amen" and then cite 1 John 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:16, and Galatians 2:20 to support the idea that the Triune God lives in believers. While these verses beautifully describe the intimate indwelling of God within us, you're misusing them to try and validate the Trinity doctrine. This approach reveals a misunderstanding of the verses themselves and the distinctions within the Godhead that Scripture consistently highlights.
Here's why your logic is flawed:
Confusing Indwelling with Ontological Unity: You're assuming that because the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit can dwell within believers, it automatically proves they are one being in three co-equal persons. This is a misinterpretation of the concept of indwelling.
The Bible describes God's Spirit as the agent through whom He works in the world and within believers (John 14:26, 16:7-15). This indwelling doesn't negate the distinction between God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Similarly, Jesus' statement in Galatians 2:20, "Christ liveth in me," refers to the spiritual union and connection believers have with him through faith. It doesn't mean Jesus is ontologically identical to every believer.
Ignoring the Context of 1 John 4:12: This verse, "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us," speaks of God's invisible nature and how His love is manifested through our love for one another. It doesn't define or prove the Trinity.
Trinity Contradictions Presented: Here are numerous verses that contradict the Trinity doctrine's core claim of co-equality:
The Father is the sole source of life, including Jesus' spirit. (John 5:26, Luke 23:46, Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4, Acts 17:25)
Jesus consistently submits to the Father's will, demonstrating a hierarchy within the Godhead. (John 14:28, 1 Corinthians 15:28, Hebrews 5:7)
Your attempt to use the concept of indwelling to "prove" the Trinity is a distraction tactic. It avoids the real issue: the Bible never explicitly defines the Trinity as three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one God, and the verses you've cited don't support this doctrine.
Here's a more biblically consistent understanding of the verses you presented:
1 John 4:12: This verse emphasizes God's love being manifested through our love for each other, not the Trinity.
1 Corinthians 3:16: This verse speaks of believers being the "temple of God" because the Spirit dwells within them. This highlights the Holy Spirit's role as God's active agent, working in and through believers, not his co-equality with the Father.
Galatians 2:20: This verse describes the spiritual union and transformation that occurs when we live by faith in Jesus Christ. It doesn't mean Jesus is literally dwelling in every believer's flesh in the same way that he inhabited his own earthly body.
A more accurate understanding of the indwelling of God recognizes the distinction between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father, as the ultimate source of all things, sends His Son and pours out His Spirit to dwell within believers. This doesn't require a Trinitarian interpretation; it aligns with the biblical pattern of God working through His creation to accomplish His purposes.
Instead of relying on misinterpretations and proof-texting, I encourage you to engage with the scriptural evidence that challenges the Trinity. Explain how the Father can be the sole source of life while Jesus also possesses inherent life. Show me where the Bible explicitly defines the Trinity. And address the numerous verses that demonstrate Jesus' dependence on the Father.
Until you can provide a biblically sound and logically consistent argument for the Trinity, your claims remain unfounded. It's time to stop seeking verses that seem to fit a pre-conceived doctrine and start allowing Scripture to speak for itself, even when it challenges our cherished beliefs.
@dougbendo8817 what is a Unity ?
@@RabbiMalahkYah Your deflecting again. Instead of dealing with the scripture they want to respond by asking multiple question and break them up into multiple segemnts while providing no proof to there claim that you have already countered.
For example:
@RabbiMalahkYah
38 minutes ago
@dougbendo8817 did Jesus not say I and My Father are One?
@RabbiMalahkYah
38 minutes ago
@dougbendo8817 did Yahveh not say that there is no God like Him?
@RabbiMalahkYah
36 minutes ago
@dougbendo8817 all that I wrote is backed up with evidence, yet you clumsily accuse myself of assertions . Come on where is your evidence other than the usual babel you provide of logical fallacies, which include cherry picking most of the time . Let's leave one factual Scriptural piece here , who's hand are the saved in , is that the Father's hand or the hand of Jesus ?
@RabbiMalahkYah
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@dougbendo8817 what is a Unity ?
Look to the main comment section for a responds to your deflections.
@@RabbiMalahkYah You ask, "What is a unity?" This seemingly simple question, in the context of our discussion about the Trinity, points to a deep theological and philosophical conundrum. It forces us to consider how the concept of unity applies to God and how it's portrayed in Scripture.
The Trinity doctrine claims that God is a "compound unity," three distinct persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) sharing one essence. However, this creates a logical contradiction: if they truly share the same essence, they can't be genuinely distinct persons with individual wills and actions. They collapse into a single being with three different expressions, making their individual roles meaningless.
So, what is true unity when it comes to God?
Based on Scripture, without imposing external theological frameworks, here's what we can understand:
Unity of Essence and Being: The Bible consistently affirms that there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 44:6). This oneness implies a unity of essence and being, meaning God is not divided or composed of separate parts.
Unity of Purpose and Will: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are united in their purpose and will. Jesus repeatedly states that he came to do the Father's will (John 6:38) and that his teachings are not his own but the Father's (John 14:10). The Holy Spirit carries out the Father's will in the world (John 14:26) and testifies to Jesus (John 15:26).
Unity of Love and Relationship: The Bible portrays a deep and loving relationship between the Father and the Son. Jesus speaks of the Father's love for him (John 3:35) and his own love for the Father (John 14:31). This love is not merely an abstract concept but a genuine, relational bond.
Unity Through Submission: The Son's submission to the Father's will is crucial for understanding their unity. Jesus consistently defers to the Father's authority, acknowledging his dependence on Him. (John 5:19, 14:28, 1 Corinthians 15:28). This submission is not a sign of inferiority but an expression of their perfect unity in purpose and love.
The key difference between this biblical understanding of unity and the Trinity doctrine's "compound unity" is this:
The Bible portrays a hierarchical unity, with the Father as the source and the Son and Holy Spirit acting in accordance with His will. This allows for genuine distinction and relationship within the Godhead.
The Trinity doctrine forces a unity of essence that collapses the distinction between the persons, rendering their individual roles and relationships meaningless.
Your question about "what is a unity" exposes the fundamental flaw within the Trinity doctrine. It attempts to define a unity that ultimately undermines the very distinctions it claims to uphold, resulting in a God who is less than Himself. The Bible, however, presents a more coherent and consistent understanding of God's unity-a unity rooted in the Father's ultimate authority, the Son's loving submission, and the Holy Spirit's active agency in carrying out the Father's will.
@dougbendo8817 stop running away from the simple question of who is your Saviour? & by the way I asked about a unity , I never mentioned the Trinity ,so stop jumping about like a toddler
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Quite a simple equation
Each person of the Trinity is infinite, but there's still only One infinite God .
This video clearly explains the concept of the Trinity & dispelled all the arguments against it ,from whichever heretical belief system it comes from .myths & legends are best suited to pagan beliefs as when asked for evidence ( such as Islamic) there's nothing , as most are either hundreds of years later or thousands of miles away; deep research shows that it's Christianity that alot of pagan mythology borrowed from & not vice versa , as seem in islamic teaching, where Jewish folklore, Gnosticism, Zororastism & the likes of pagan Arabic , Hinduism & Buddhists beliefs are plagiarised, of which it proves it could not have come from one man / one prophet & would have had many influences from many of those who became leader over the centuries.
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By the infiniy equation, you proved that polytheism is monotheism as well!!! 😂 what an amazing common sense you have!!
And that's what Trinitarians want to do! They want to have no difference between polytheism and monotheism so that they prove that the trinity is monotheism!!
That's can't work!!
You just need to accept the reality!!
@Yassine3333222222 who needs allah in Islam when kissing the Blackstone ( Al Hajuru Al Aswad) takes away your sins?
@Yassine3333222222 which part of Shema Yisrael Adonai Elohenu Adonai Echad ( Listen Israel the LORD Is God the LORD is God ) don't you understand? Afterall Jesus said, " I and My Father are One " He never said two nor three ,but One
@@RabbiMalahkYah Don't talk about the black stone, while your sins are forgiven by human blo...d sacrif...ce! This ritual is forbidden in the scripture as pagan practices!
The only one who wants human blo...d sacrif...ce is Satan and not God!
You assert that "each person of the Trinity is infinite, but there's still only one infinite God" and claim this video dispels all arguments against the Trinity. You dismiss my position as a "pagan belief" based on "myths and legends," then launch into a critique of Islam, accusing it of plagiarism. However, your response is a tangled web of misdirection, unfounded assertions, and a failure to grasp the core issue at hand.
Let's unravel your flawed logic:
Contradictory Claims: You state that each person of the Trinity is infinite, yet there's only one infinite God. This is a self-contradiction. If each person is truly infinite, then you have multiple infinite beings, which directly contradicts the concept of one infinite God. This statement reveals the inherent logical flaw in the Trinity doctrine's attempt to reconcile "threeness" with "oneness."
Empty Boasting: You claim the video "dispels all arguments" against the Trinity, but you haven't addressed a single verse I've presented that challenges the doctrine. Simply declaring victory doesn't make it so. Where is the scriptural evidence for your claim of three infinite persons in one God?
Ad Hominem Attacks and Red Herrings: You resort to name-calling, labeling my position "pagan" and based on "myths and legends." This is an ad hominem attack, attempting to discredit my argument by associating it with negative labels rather than engaging with its substance. You then launch into a critique of Islam, accusing it of plagiarism. This is a red herring fallacy-a distraction from the core issue of the Trinity.
Ignoring the Scriptural Evidence: You've consistently avoided the numerous verses I've presented that contradict the Trinity's core claims. These verses demonstrate:
The Father as the sole source of life, including Jesus' spirit. (John 5:26, Luke 23:46, Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4, Acts 17:25)
Jesus' consistent submission to the Father's will, demonstrating a hierarchy within the Godhead. (John 14:28, 1 Corinthians 15:28, Hebrews 5:7)
Jesus' process of transformation, his learning of obedience, and his being made perfect, which contradict the idea of him being eternally perfect and co-equal with the Father. (Philippians 2:6-8, Hebrews 5:8-9)
Instead of resorting to distractions and mischaracterizations, I challenge you to:
Explain how the Father can be the sole source of life while Jesus also possesses inherent, uncreated life, as the Trinity claims.
Show me where the Bible explicitly defines the Trinity as three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one God. Don't point to human interpretations or traditions; show me the verse that clearly lays out this doctrine.
Reconcile the scriptural evidence of Jesus' transformation and his need for faith with the Trinity's claim of his eternal perfection and co-equality with the Father.
Your reliance on unfounded assertions, logical fallacies, and attacks on other belief systems reveals a lack of understanding of both Scripture and the Trinity doctrine itself. A genuine pursuit of truth requires honesty, humility, and a willingness to engage with the full counsel of God's Word, even the parts that challenge our preconceived notions. Until you address the inconsistencies I've raised, your claim that the video dispels all arguments against the Trinity remains an empty boast.
FATHER = Not begotten. Having never been generated : self-existent, eternal.
SON = Begotten . Brought into existence by or as if by a parent.
@dazzadizzy5308 : "Oh question! I have a question Albert 🙋♂!! I saw there under Ignatius writings that he called the Father "UNBEGOTTON" and the Son "BEGOTTEN" (Top line in video at the 3:34 mins in) . Please explain what is "unbegotten" and what is "begotten " . Thank you ever so much in advance 😎."
Clown albert: "Unbegotten means unique/ only/ etc. We’ve had this conversation before. I kno you like to keep getting beat but atleast try to remember nothing you have brought changes the facts."
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Me: what does Unbegotten mean in Latin and Greek?
Chat gpt:
The term "unbegotten" is significant in Christian theology, especially in discussions of the nature of God and the Trinity.
Latin: The Latin term for "unbegotten" is increatus or ingenitus.
Increatus literally means "uncreated" or "not made."
Ingenitus means "not begotten" or "not generated," emphasizing the aspect of not being born or derived from another.
Me: what does Unbegotten mean in Latin and Greek?
Google AI
The word "unbegotten" is an adjective that means "not begotten" or "having never been generated". It can also mean "self-existent" or "eternal". The prefix "un-" means "not".
In theology, "unbegotten" means something is not created, has no beginning, or is eternal. For example, in Trinitarian theology, "unbegotten" means that God has no parent.
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keep the clown strong albert. keep the clowning strong!
@@dougbendo8817 Jesus is eternally begotten too !!. Doesnt that kinda cancel itself out ? lol Plus you have the word "son" in front of the word "begotten" too , so a "son" how and why call him that if he isnt a son at all?
Tri god believing pagans far far far surpass "flat earthers " in brain deadness easily!
Somewhere in Isaiah who else god is there besides me let him declare it !
So jesus didn't, right so! Game over
Which one of your 3 people God team is resting in Genesis 2:2?? because it says this....
"By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work."
Who was the "HE" out of the 3 people and did the other two carry on with some "guvvy" jobs afterwards ?
A good start by saying "The Lord God is one Lord" because of the pagans having tri-gods, this is why God had it stated in scripture , but satan thought it funny to make God into 3 !!
The irony of thinking this helps you blasphemers , and one Lord is not plural in any way or form !!
Common sense is not common.
Common Sense is an Uncommon Virtue
Tawheed means unification or unity, from TEWAHEDO, which means the same. Allah's oneness is a myth and not true. If Allah is the sole creator of everything, how come he says he is the BEST OF CREATORS? Who are the other creators if he is the ONLY creator?
[37:125] "Will you call upon `Ba`l and forsake the Best of creators,
If Allah is one, how is he going to get a diversion/pastime/wife/consort/son from among HIM???
[21:17] Had We intended to take a pastime (i.e. a wife or a son, etc.), We could surely have taken it from Us, if We were going to do (that).
Here's hoping Dizzy will finally defend his true religion...I mean cult.
You claim the Trinity is true because Allah's oneness in Islam is supposedly a "myth," citing Quranic verses 37:125 and 21:17 to point out contradictions. You argue that Allah calling himself the "Best of creators" implies other creators, and that Allah needing to "take a pastime" suggests a lack of self-sufficiency. However, this approach is a classic red herring fallacy-a distraction tactic that avoids addressing the core issue at hand: the biblical inconsistencies within the Trinity doctrine itself.
Here's why your logic is flawed and irrelevant to our discussion:
Irrelevant Argument: The internal consistency or inconsistency of the Quran has no bearing on the validity of the Trinity doctrine. Our conversation is about what the Bible teaches, not about the beliefs or scriptures of other religions. Attempting to "prove" the Trinity by pointing out perceived flaws in Islam is a distraction from the core issue.
Misunderstanding Islamic Theology: While I won't delve into Islamic theology, your interpretation of those Quranic verses is likely a misrepresentation of Islamic beliefs. Islam emphasizes the absolute oneness of Allah, and interpretations of those verses within Islamic scholarship would likely provide a different understanding than the one you're presenting.
Avoiding the Real Contradictions: You're desperately trying to shift the focus away from the numerous scriptural contradictions I've presented that challenge the Trinity doctrine. These contradictions remain unanswered:
The Father is the sole source of life, including Jesus' spirit. (John 5:26, Luke 23:46, Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4, Acts 17:25, Numbers 16:22). This directly contradicts the Trinity's claim of Jesus possessing inherent, uncreated life.
Jesus consistently submits to the Father's will, demonstrating a hierarchy within the Godhead. (John 14:28, 1 Corinthians 15:28, Hebrews 5:7). This contradicts the Trinity's claim of co-equality.
Instead of resorting to whataboutism and misinterpretations of other religions, I challenge you to:
Engage with the specific verses I've cited and explain how they align with the Trinity doctrine. Show me how the Father can be the sole source of life while Jesus also possesses inherent, uncreated life. Explain how Jesus' submission to the Father aligns with the concept of co-equality.
Provide clear scriptural evidence-chapter and verse-that explicitly defines the Trinity as three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one God.
Your attempts to "prove" the Trinity by attacking the Quran are not only irrelevant but also demonstrate a lack of understanding of both Scripture and the doctrine you're trying to defend. A genuine pursuit of truth requires honesty, humility, and a willingness to grapple with the evidence, not a reliance on distractions and misrepresentations.
@@dougbendo8817 How is your god Allah ONE when it says it's the best of creators, and that it is going to get a consort/wife/son/diversion/pastime from among IT? How does it get a son from among itself if it is one???
@@solascriptura1536You're deflecting again.
1.provide for me where I stated I either believe or advocate for Islam.
Albert just proved that he worships three gods. " Godliness = essence" And "persons".
You have three persons, three distinct individuals that see themselves as individuals and never claim to be one being throughout all scripture sharing a co-equal essence or co-equality.
Yes, my trinitarian simp 😂 you worship multiple gods?
Get your theology straight and then you can go deal with Islam.
GOD created THROUGH the son , that's mocked by trinity pagans but it's what the bible states ! so they have to argue with Paul and John over that one.
3 distinct persons each one is God therefore in count there are three Gods
Trinitarians far far surpass flat earthers of how "thick" they are and off the scale as far as pagan and blasphemous they are too. They are NOT Christian in any way or form .
@@Dawahdude0
With this logic there are 37 Qurans. Each one is Quran, but distinct. There are 37 Qurans.
Bro, your Quran intercedes for you with Allah.
Your Quran is uncreated and is the speech of Allah.
So the speech of Allah speaks with Allah.
More than that, each Surah talks to each other, so 114 persons in the Quran and the Quran is another person and Allah is another person.
Amazing theology you guys have.
I like how you and your Unitarian step brother here couldn’t actually say how. Make a claim then that’s it. Then get cooked using that same poor claim when it’s turned on you… yikes
@@DaScripturePlug.Albert LOL 3 different from each other persons all apart from each other all distinct from each other but are ONE GOD!.
So you are making GOD 3 separate people but as ONE class of being , as opposed to the Father alone being the Almighty God as one LORD which the bible teaches . You have gone the pagan culture route of trio gods .
You even contradict yourself
"He showed love , he by himself laid down his life "
Who's the "HE"?
ermm the son laid down his life not the Father , so this "person" Father didnt die and so according to your logic didnt display the same love as the son did !
In the bible you have:
1. God!
2. Son of God!
3. Spirit of God!
Jesus said to worship 1. God! No prophet told us in the whole scripture to worship the son of God nor the spirit of God!
Case closed! This is one of 20 methods I have to debunk the Trinity! Each time I put one! 😂
If your composite god is one, how come it says it's is the best OF creators??? How many of it are there???
Let me debunk Islam in one verse from the Quran and one verse from the Bible:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23
[43:81] Say [O Prophet]: “If the Most Gracious [truly] had a son, I would be the first to worship him!”
Your second point admits Jesus is the Son of God, therefore should be worshipped according to Allah and Jesus. Your entire cult crumbles in one second.
@@solascriptura1536 First of all, who created robots!? God or humans!? Humans! So there's many creators! And God is the best who created the whole universe!
Second, honour does not mean worship!
Third, many people are sons of God in the bible, which proves that the son of God is only a figure of speech! Not a real son of God!
Next question!!
You're right. Jesus said "You shall serve and worship the Lord your God alone." . . . and then he accepted worship.
@@Womb_to_Tomb_Apologetics In the Scripture, individuals, including kings, prophets, and others, receive acts of worship, but it does not equate to the divowed to God alone.
When they accused Jesus of blasphemy, he refused the accusation that he's God, read next verses :
1. John 8:40: "But now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this."
--> So, Jesus, instead of confirming that he's God, he rejected that and said that he's a man!
2. John 10:34, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?"
--> So, Jesus equating the term the son of God with judges that are referred to as gods in the scripture, but they're not the true God!
SAME ESSENCE you and me both share the same human essence and nature, but that does not make us one "human" . So just because the Father and Son share the same Divine essence DOES NOT make them One God. This is a fabrication that was created by the Roman Catholic Trinity Doctrine to address the key problem of the Trinity model which states that God is 3 seperate persons = 3 Gods = polytheism. GOD IS ONE BECAUSE HE IS ONE SPIRITUAL PERSON
When people were created, were we created as a multi personal being or single individual beings ?
How was the trinity created by the Roman Catholic Church when the Trinity was taught well before by 900 + years?? For example st Ignatius believe in 1 God three persons and he was said to learn under John the apostle? So maybe so some better research
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Ignatius did write letters to Polycarp and to the church at Smyrna. There are two letters of Ignatius to John preserved in Latin, but these are universally recognized as forgeries dated to the middle ages. There's no reliable evidence to connect Ignatius directly with any of the apostles.
Ouch! 😟
@@dazzadizzy5308 site your source lol. We already kno like the typical heretic you can’t read the Bible and you never use sources
@@DaScripturePlug.Albert You with youre understanding that unbegotten isnt unique !! LOL we ALL know what comprehension you have !
@@DaScripturePlug.Albert Google it , type did Ignatius know the apostles !
You're making a passionate defense of the Trinity, asserting it's the "truth" and claiming it's been the consistent teaching of the Church since its inception. You attempt to address various objections to the Trinity, comparing it to Islamic theology and arguing that the Trinity is "exactly what Jesus and the apostles taught."
However, your argument is a house of cards built on a foundation of sand. It crumbles under the weight of its own logical inconsistencies and a misrepresentation of both Scripture and historical reality.
Let's break down the flaws in your reasoning, point by point:
Circular Reasoning and Unfounded Assertions: You begin by defining the Trinity-"one God, three distinct persons"-and then proceed to use this definition as proof of its existence. This is circular reasoning. You're assuming the conclusion you're trying to prove. You also make sweeping claims about the Trinity being the consistent teaching of the Church throughout history, but you haven't provided any substantial scriptural evidence to support this assertion.
Misinterpreting Scriptural Evidence: You cite various verses, including Deuteronomy 6:4, John 1:1, John 8:58, Acts 5:3-4, Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, and Ephesians 2:18, as proof of the Trinity. However, your interpretations are selective and ignore the broader context and the numerous contradictions I've presented:
Deuteronomy 6:4 ("The Lord is one") affirms the oneness of God, a concept that those who reject the Trinity also embrace. It doesn't prove the existence of three co-equal persons within the Godhead.
John 1:1 ("the Word was God") needs to be read in light of John 5:26, where Jesus explicitly states that the Father granted him to have life. This act of "granting" life contradicts the notion of Jesus possessing inherent, uncreated life, which is a core tenet of the Trinity.
John 8:58 ("Before Abraham was, I am") needs to be understood in its proper context. Jesus is identifying himself as the Messiah, the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, not claiming to be Yahweh, the Father, in the same way.
The other verses you cite (Acts 5:3-4, Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 2:18) simply mention the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They don't define the Trinity as three co-equal, co-eternal persons or explain the relationship between them in a way that aligns with the doctrine's claims.
Misrepresenting Alternative Views: You create straw man arguments by misrepresenting Unitarianism, Modalism, and Arianism. These are complex theological perspectives with a range of beliefs. You're oversimplifying and distorting their views to make them easier to attack.
Attacking Islam Instead of Defending the Trinity: You attempt to discredit Islam by pointing out its internal debates about the nature of the Quran and Allah's attributes. This is a red herring fallacy-a distraction from the core issue. The supposed inconsistencies within Islam have no bearing on the validity of the Trinity doctrine.
Ignoring the Logical Contradictions: You haven't addressed the fundamental inconsistencies within the Trinity that I've repeatedly highlighted:
The Father is the sole source of life, including Jesus' spirit, yet the Trinity claims Jesus possesses inherent, uncreated life.
Jesus consistently submits to the Father's will, demonstrating a hierarchy, yet the Trinity claims there's no hierarchy within the Godhead.
Jesus went through a transformation, being made perfect, yet the Trinity claims he's eternally perfect and unchanging.
Instead of resorting to misrepresentations, distractions, and unfounded assertions, I challenge you to:
Engage with the specific verses I've presented that demonstrate the Father's unique role as the source of life and Jesus' dependence on the Father. Explain how those verses align with the Trinity doctrine.
Provide clear scriptural evidence-chapter and verse-that explicitly defines the Trinity as three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one God.
Your passionate defense of the Trinity, while sincere, lacks a solid biblical foundation. You've failed to demonstrate how the doctrine aligns with the consistent testimony of Scripture. It's time to stop clinging to blind faith and traditions and start grappling with the difficult questions raised by the Bible. A genuine pursuit of truth requires humility, a willingness to question our assumptions, and a commitment to allowing the Bible to speak for itself, even when it challenges our cherished beliefs.
False!!!! Why did Jesus have to leave to send the Holy Spirit?! He said if I don't The Spirit of Truth can't come!!!
Yay. Another question I can ask and show your view isn’t biblical and false.
“And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. You know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.”
John 14:16-17 LSB
P1 Jesus Is not the Holy Spirit. Nor Is He the Father
P2 Another means someone separate and not the same.
P3 Jesus asking the Father and the Father sending another Helper shows distinction in persons and that there’s at least three persons shown In the verse.
Conclusion: Jesus isn’t asking Himself to send another of Himself.
Galations 4:6=since you are now sons,I have sent forth the spirit of my Son@@DaScripturePlug.Albert
John 17:3=this is eternal life ,that they may know thee,the only true God,and Jesus Christ ,whom He has sent...
These are Jesus's own words and you can trust them,,eternal life is to know the one true God,the Father,,and his only begotten Son,,God begot a Son,I every true sense of the word,a Son equal in nature and divinity,,but the Father is the ultimate source of all ,including His son,,
1 corinthians 8:6=to us there is but 1 God,the Father,,of whom are all things,,1 lord ,Jesus Christ by whom are all things,,,
The truth is simple and beautiful,,what's difficult is putting ingrained traditions and preconceived ideas aside ,,
The trinity is not only a false doctrine,but it is a satanic agenda that the papal system, who is the antichrist, will bring all denominations together under one false system of worship ,babylon,may God and his Son be with us all on this journey
Now you've listened to this bull crap for 20 mins, read actually truth!
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Saviour of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God
So notice God didnt come down Himself , His son did!!!!! Albert lied.
The spirit is always something that belongs to Father God !! Albert lies about that too.
Finally you have to acknowledge Jesus being the son of God !!! Albert is a total mess when asked that question , he hasnt a clue !!! 🤣
Tri God belief is an insult to the One Lord God , it's foundation and origin is from Babylon a HQ of Satanic belief pass down then "Mystery Babylon" the apostate churches of today adopted it along many other pagan insults.
Those practicing falsehood do not enter God's kingdom !! Keep that in mind.!!!
Dizzy, you are confused.
God himself did come down, in the Son.
The Son is God according to the Scriptures.
What you mean is The Father did not come down.
And to this Christians agree.
God Himself came down, the Son.
No one has seen God's unveiled Glory, but God.
All of the father is in the son. So if you know the son you will know the father
@@Uncommonvirtue777 God sent his son , yep the WORD became flesh and spoke God's words FOR God .
@@dazzadizzy5308 In remembrance...
@Uncommonvirtue777 : "I never said I proved God or the Trinity exists. That would be using theological and scientific and logical arguments. Showing in Scripture it talking about God, does not prove God exists. It just proves the Bible says, what it says about God."
Have you ever read the Old testament?
Plenty have said they've seen the face of God and lived.
Guess why? Cuz they saw the Angel of the Lord which was Jesus and Jesus is the image of the Father.
Jesus is God.