As someone from Northern Michigan, when I saw that Skywest/Delta were flying CRJ-700 and even 900s to places like Escanaba and Sault St Marie, I thought "yeah, there's no way that's sustainable at all". The cities are simply too small to reliably fill anything larger than a 50 seat CRJ-200, and even that is a stretch sometimes. I wonder if US airlines and their customers will ever get over their needless fear of turboprops because that's the only way to maintain sustainable and profitable mainline-branded (subsidiary flown) flights to small communities. Once the larger airlines pull out you're left with flying on these tiny EAS carriers like Southern or Boutique on Cessna Caravans or PC-12s, or maybe if you're lucky a Contour ERJ with limited onward connectivity to major airline flights from hubs. Wouldn't a modern, quiet turboprop like an ATR flying for a subsidiary of a major airline be better than that?
The carriers aren't really worried about the flight being profitable since it is government subsidized. I think it all honestly they don't really care to do them which is why they dropped so many during covid. Yes the gov is paying them so they are making money but I am sure they would much rather have the aircraft on other routes where they are making a profit vs just covering costs.
Meanwhile here up in the north where absolutely nothing is subsidized in the aviation industry beyond arctic flights, Air Canada has just retired their last CRJ-200 as they have deemed it more economical to fly a half empty 78 seat Dash 8-400 than a nearly full 50 seat CRJ-200, turboprops are the underappreciated workhorses
The crj and the Erj are our industries perfect puddle jumpers for short flights and they are our commercial private jets, aviation needs to keep their variety of planes and all sizes, they should have never gotten rid of most the prop jets too especially with their very fuel efficient constant speed propellers.
@@LoneWolfSparty Yep, the MD-88s only entered service with Delta in 1987, on the occasion of the merger with Western. And there were still 1987-vintage planes still in the fleet when they were retired. So no doubt, there were members of the flight crew who were younger than the plane they were piloting.
Hey, first off awesome video like always and love your content, I work as a ramp crew at DTW BC concourse and I remember my managers told us that we are getting CRJ 200s back into service and it startled us because almost no agents were trained on the aircraft as far as I know, however I saw it was used for morning flights which makes things a little easier and I tend to see it parked at the Even Charlie gates at night since I’m a night shift ramper, it’s cool to see but also intimidating because I’m so used to CRJ-700/900s that hearing the 200 returned was like “huh” but I suppose we’ll see how we handle it moving forward since I don’t think night shift will work on them. Again great video and thanks for uploading since it explained a lot of the why it was reactivated since we were just told “hey 200s are back”
You think they’ll ever condense (take out the middle gates) on the even side of C concourse to fit crj7/9s? And will the end of C concourse ever open again, I miss flying out of there. Truly the best regional-accessible concourse in the US.
@@skylerz3339 I’d doubt it. I am based at DTW Airport so I go there a lot and I met the airport manager. He said when I inquired about this that it definitely isn’t likely but not impossible…
@skylerz3339 The end will never reopen. It is now were DO&CO fill and stage all the drinks and non cooked food in galley carts. They added a loading dock to it for their lift trucks
@@MTAviationPhotoFilm ah good to know, interesting. Is the lower level C gates in the middle a crew common area now? Can’t take the escalator straight to that level anymore from the tunnel
Worth noting, SkyWest CRJ pilots are qualified on all 3 variants (200/700/900) and often fly all 3 in a trip. Endeavor is kind of an oddball in that. The type rating is the same for all of them.
Always good videos, thank you! I’ve been a pax on a CRJ 200 multiple times, not comfortable or nice - but at least they are short flights. And it is a temp situation and nice to see they at least maintain service to the UP/northern Mi. I used to fly up to the UP in college back in the NW Airlink (Mesaba) days and they were Saab 340s, Dash 8 or even Fokkers. So at least they are jet service, takes less time and not a loud, rough ride like the turboprops were…
Sounds like we flew the same routes to the UP from DTW (but it was for business for me). The views from the Fokkers, Saabs, Merlin Metro's & Dash 8's were great because you flew much lower. Seeing the fall colors from the large, oval windows of the Fokker 27's was beautiful. I recall taking a very early morning flight from CMX to DTW in the middle of winter and there was no water in the lavatory because it had been drained to avoid freezing the pipes. They had a stack of handy-wipes for you. The rental car companies at the CMX airport closed before the last arrival of the day so they simply left the keys on their counter for you.
I think it's a cool plane - definitely good looking as well in my opinion. Apparently it handles like a sports car also, though doesn't seem to want to climb (in spite of a decent power-to-weight ratio.)
Ah…the old deuce! The CRJ-200 definitely has its quirks, but this was the first jet I flew as captain, so I’ll always have a soft spot for it! I’ve always said that there will be two things that survive the apocalypse…cockroaches and the 200 lol. Just like the 757, it fills a specific niche so I think it’ll be a while before they’re completely gone. Lots of good memories in it!
I totally understand this situation. currently, in Hawaii, (where I live), it’s so hard to get a steady jet carrier to service MKK & LNY. Would be nice to have these puppies service those airports.
As a passenger crj’s suck. Rule #1 never take a window seat because of how the fuselage curves into the floor. Rule #2 don’t pay to check your bag as it will be taken at the gate for free where it will ride with all the other bags underneath. Rule #3 embrace the suck if the flight is over 1 1/2 hours. I was stuck on a CRJ from Savannah to Dallas and it was the most miserable flight I can remember.
The -200 is dope! I’m all in for an aircraft that can get boarded in negative minutes lol. I’ve always thought it would be a fun experiment to have a HEAVY premium cabin. Like 50% of it. There would be a market for it. United did something similar with the 550, probably with a similar ratio (including their version of C+). I was a big fan of the DL Shuttle EMB-170s the West Coast saw before frequency reductions from the mainline up-gauge. The CRJ has better dispatch reliability. Not knocking any airplane type, just reflecting on the quirks of each that I’ve experienced…
Throughout the last year SkyWest Charter has taken nine of their Delta CRJ-200's to Roswell, NM where they are repainted then they are flown to my local airport where they are converted to 30 seats. About two weeks ago I had found out that there was one more CRJ that was going to be converted and right now it is either sitting on the ramp or being converted.
Can't say I'm surprised either. I wasn't sure how the regionals were going to keep up with all of the Northern MI/UP routes with 700s and 900s. I had no idea they were going to get 550s though. That'll be something.
That’s hilarious because I saw N936EV fly over my house towards DTW 2 days ago, I was very confused. I just so happened to be near Pellston in August 2023 to say I saw it up close before retirement. So I thought the registration was already reused and possibly misidentified it, and I’m happy it actually was the -200. They are not fun to be cramped on, but man aren’t they iconic or what? I think the -200 is one of the most pleasing regional jets to look at as they are so well proportioned. As @avgaskoolaid4572 mentioned, it also makes sense to reactivate them for the Michigan market because CRJ-900s and -700s landing at Alpena, Pellston, Escanaba, and Sault Sainte Marie is a little much, -700s a bit more understandable. -900s are much better for Traverse City, Saginaw, and Grand Rapids as those are popular destinations some people don’t like driving or residents that need to make a Connection at DTW. I’m happy to see one already back in the sky again!
Correct, where at Endeavor you only flew the 200 or 900 (until the 700 came). Much like the difference in Delta and Air France’s airbus operation. At Delta you either fly the 330 or 350, where at airfrance they fly both. Kinda of similar to the airfrance and klm Boeing operation too. Although the pilots are qualified to fly both the 777 and 787, at KLM they only fly one for a year period where Air France pilots switch between the 2 types.
Thanks. I doubt it, they never even really filled a 200. I have gone on a couple of trips to fix planes at some of the EAS stations back in the day. They had about 10-20 people on them. My friend and his wife are from the UP and jump on the ESC flight all the time. They have never had an issue getting on.
I fueled a ferry flight from MSP to IGM tail n8891a endeavor in Feb of 2021. I don't like the crj2s. There is always something wrong with them. I'm glad Skywest is moving more towards e175s and endeavor also getting some. Crj7s and 9s aren't so bad but even those eventually will hit the cycle limit. MSP is going to be converting a big chunk of the regional ramp to fit mainline jets like a320s and 737s. I've also fueled tail 936. Can't say I miss it though...
Its small and cramped. The windows are extremely low and more at arm level than head level. The 700/900 has a lowered floor and higher windows fixing both the alignment and making it feel taller and more roomy. The 200 is also considered underpowered by those who fly it.
Great informative video as always . Have flown all three series 200,700, 900 many times . The CRJ 200 has earned its name as most hated commercial jet in the skies! Great work thanks for posting !
The air conditioning leaves a bit to be desired in warm locations too. Fully loaded, from a hot location, passengers are sweating and it has nothing to do with climb performance. lol
As others have said, the 200 is awfully cramped. A full flight on a 200 is a highly unpleasant experience. I am not a big fan of the 700, either. I do like the 900.
I never understood why US airlines are flying jets on such low-density routes when they could order less expensive turboprops. An ATR42 would be much less expensive to operate than a CRJ200 on a short flight such as Detroit-Alpena.
Because logistically it would make no sense to do that. There would be the cost of new planes, cost of parts, cost of tooling, cost of simulators, ect. Then then training of pilots, mechanics, FAs, dispatchers. All for a plane that would then be fairly limited to only flying EAS routes. Why put up all that cost when you already operate an aircraft and have the qualified people to do so...
Jets tend to do better in ice as they have heated leading edges. ATR’s have boots which don’t shed ice as effectively. Also a jet can get above the weather much quicker than a turboprop. So from a safety standpoint the CRJ makes sense. For some reason turboprops just don’t survive in the industry. My first flight instructor went on to fly a Q800 (which is a piece of crap with wings) and that company only made it about a year.
I hate the CRJs and avoid them. I find that despite them being meant for short haul routes, airlines love pushing these planes to their range limits thus being stuck on them for hours.
Damn! I was hoping she’d be permanently retired. Even the CRJ-900s are crappy and I made a review from the last time I flew a CRJ-900 link is on my channel I will do my best to avoid her!! 😱 😅😂 Still worth noting that they are at least safe aircraft and efficient for the short haul low demand routes that they fly…
Heck, if they reactivate these, they might as well scrounge up a bunch of Q400s! lol they can’t be anymore disliked and would be much more fuel efficient as well as having more revenue seats! 😆
Except for the cost of training pilots, FAs, mechanics, dispatchers. Plus the cost of the airplane itself and all the parts and tooling to maintain it. The time it would take to get on the airlines op spec.
No, the reason SkyWest is converting the CRJ 700's to 50 seaters is because it only uses 1 Flight Attendant. The passengers like them and it saves cost. It's all about the greed!
LOL if only Mesa flew for Delta. A plane that just won't die in spite of everyone's efforts. Flying for an airline that just won't die in spite of everyone's efforts. 😂😂😂😂
As someone from Northern Michigan, when I saw that Skywest/Delta were flying CRJ-700 and even 900s to places like Escanaba and Sault St Marie, I thought "yeah, there's no way that's sustainable at all". The cities are simply too small to reliably fill anything larger than a 50 seat CRJ-200, and even that is a stretch sometimes. I wonder if US airlines and their customers will ever get over their needless fear of turboprops because that's the only way to maintain sustainable and profitable mainline-branded (subsidiary flown) flights to small communities. Once the larger airlines pull out you're left with flying on these tiny EAS carriers like Southern or Boutique on Cessna Caravans or PC-12s, or maybe if you're lucky a Contour ERJ with limited onward connectivity to major airline flights from hubs. Wouldn't a modern, quiet turboprop like an ATR flying for a subsidiary of a major airline be better than that?
The carriers aren't really worried about the flight being profitable since it is government subsidized. I think it all honestly they don't really care to do them which is why they dropped so many during covid. Yes the gov is paying them so they are making money but I am sure they would much rather have the aircraft on other routes where they are making a profit vs just covering costs.
Meanwhile here up in the north where absolutely nothing is subsidized in the aviation industry beyond arctic flights, Air Canada has just retired their last CRJ-200 as they have deemed it more economical to fly a half empty 78 seat Dash 8-400 than a nearly full 50 seat CRJ-200, turboprops are the underappreciated workhorses
Knowing Southern's shady practices, I'd 100% rather fly on an ATR or Q400 operated by the likes of Piedmont or Endeavor than on a part 135 operator.
I actually like turboprop plane flights (usually) because they fly lower and I can see more.
@@avgaskoolaid4572 bring back the Saabs! Would fill up C gates no problem
The crj and the Erj are our industries perfect puddle jumpers for short flights and they are our commercial private jets, aviation needs to keep their variety of planes and all sizes, they should have never gotten rid of most the prop jets too especially with their very fuel efficient constant speed propellers.
I’ve flown 936EV a good handful of times lol. Glad to see it back!
I wish they'd bring back the MD-88's, I loved those planes.
Parts are hard to find, I think that's why they were retired.
@@LoneWolfSparty Yep, the MD-88s only entered service with Delta in 1987, on the occasion of the merger with Western. And there were still 1987-vintage planes still in the fleet when they were retired. So no doubt, there were members of the flight crew who were younger than the plane they were piloting.
Hey, first off awesome video like always and love your content, I work as a ramp crew at DTW BC concourse and I remember my managers told us that we are getting CRJ 200s back into service and it startled us because almost no agents were trained on the aircraft as far as I know, however I saw it was used for morning flights which makes things a little easier and I tend to see it parked at the Even Charlie gates at night since I’m a night shift ramper, it’s cool to see but also intimidating because I’m so used to CRJ-700/900s that hearing the 200 returned was like “huh” but I suppose we’ll see how we handle it moving forward since I don’t think night shift will work on them. Again great video and thanks for uploading since it explained a lot of the why it was reactivated since we were just told “hey 200s are back”
Thanks
You think they’ll ever condense (take out the middle gates) on the even side of C concourse to fit crj7/9s? And will the end of C concourse ever open again, I miss flying out of there. Truly the best regional-accessible concourse in the US.
@@skylerz3339 I’d doubt it. I am based at DTW Airport so I go there a lot and I met the airport manager. He said when I inquired about this that it definitely isn’t likely but not impossible…
@skylerz3339 The end will never reopen. It is now were DO&CO fill and stage all the drinks and non cooked food in galley carts. They added a loading dock to it for their lift trucks
@@MTAviationPhotoFilm ah good to know, interesting. Is the lower level C gates in the middle a crew common area now? Can’t take the escalator straight to that level anymore from the tunnel
Worth noting, SkyWest CRJ pilots are qualified on all 3 variants (200/700/900) and often fly all 3 in a trip. Endeavor is kind of an oddball in that. The type rating is the same for all of them.
PSA got rid of their 200s as well, I wouldn't call EDV an oddball for only having 700s and 900s
@@roberts9095 I mean in that they separated their pilot groups between the 200 vs the 700/900. You were qualified on one or the other.
Always good videos, thank you! I’ve been a pax on a CRJ 200 multiple times, not comfortable or nice - but at least they are short flights. And it is a temp situation and nice to see they at least maintain service to the UP/northern Mi. I used to fly up to the UP in college back in the NW Airlink (Mesaba) days and they were Saab 340s, Dash 8 or even Fokkers. So at least they are jet service, takes less time and not a loud, rough ride like the turboprops were…
Thank you
Sounds like we flew the same routes to the UP from DTW (but it was for business for me). The views from the Fokkers, Saabs, Merlin Metro's & Dash 8's were great because you flew much lower. Seeing the fall colors from the large, oval windows of the Fokker 27's was beautiful. I recall taking a very early morning flight from CMX to DTW in the middle of winter and there was no water in the lavatory because it had been drained to avoid freezing the pipes. They had a stack of handy-wipes for you. The rental car companies at the CMX airport closed before the last arrival of the day so they simply left the keys on their counter for you.
You're lucky you've never had to be in one flying to Denver for 3 hours 😅
I think it's a cool plane - definitely good looking as well in my opinion. Apparently it handles like a sports car also, though doesn't seem to want to climb (in spite of a decent power-to-weight ratio.)
Ah…the old deuce! The CRJ-200 definitely has its quirks, but this was the first jet I flew as captain, so I’ll always have a soft spot for it! I’ve always said that there will be two things that survive the apocalypse…cockroaches and the 200 lol. Just like the 757, it fills a specific niche so I think it’ll be a while before they’re completely gone. Lots of good memories in it!
Love the "Reset Jet."
I totally understand this situation. currently, in Hawaii, (where I live), it’s so hard to get a steady jet carrier to service MKK & LNY. Would be nice to have these puppies service those airports.
It's almost like the lack of replacements and other issues are making airlines pull older aircraft from storage
As a passenger crj’s suck. Rule #1 never take a window seat because of how the fuselage curves into the floor. Rule #2 don’t pay to check your bag as it will be taken at the gate for free where it will ride with all the other bags underneath. Rule #3 embrace the suck if the flight is over 1 1/2 hours. I was stuck on a CRJ from Savannah to Dallas and it was the most miserable flight I can remember.
The -200 is dope! I’m all in for an aircraft that can get boarded in negative minutes lol.
I’ve always thought it would be a fun experiment to have a HEAVY premium cabin. Like 50% of it. There would be a market for it. United did something similar with the 550, probably with a similar ratio (including their version of C+).
I was a big fan of the DL Shuttle EMB-170s the West Coast saw before frequency reductions from the mainline up-gauge. The CRJ has better dispatch reliability.
Not knocking any airplane type, just reflecting on the quirks of each that I’ve experienced…
Throughout the last year SkyWest Charter has taken nine of their Delta CRJ-200's to Roswell, NM where they are repainted then they are flown to my local airport where they are converted to 30 seats. About two weeks ago I had found out that there was one more CRJ that was going to be converted and right now it is either sitting on the ramp or being converted.
Same weird things happening in SLC. Flew on the inaugural 550 to BTM on the 4th and am flying a 200 back tomorrow.
Can't say I'm surprised either. I wasn't sure how the regionals were going to keep up with all of the Northern MI/UP routes with 700s and 900s. I had no idea they were going to get 550s though. That'll be something.
I thought the Q was the modern efficient equivalent has to burn way less gas than a crj
I used to fly the CRJ200 from La Crosse to MSP until Delta discontinued that route.
How many 200s are being returned to delta?? Is it just the two that are flying right now?
I love this 😀 Nice video 👌
Thanks
That’s hilarious because I saw N936EV fly over my house towards DTW 2 days ago, I was very confused. I just so happened to be near Pellston in August 2023 to say I saw it up close before retirement. So I thought the registration was already reused and possibly misidentified it, and I’m happy it actually was the -200.
They are not fun to be cramped on, but man aren’t they iconic or what?
I think the -200 is one of the most pleasing regional jets to look at as they are so well proportioned.
As @avgaskoolaid4572 mentioned, it also makes sense to reactivate them for the Michigan market because CRJ-900s and -700s landing at Alpena, Pellston, Escanaba, and Sault Sainte Marie is a little much, -700s a bit more understandable. -900s are much better for Traverse City, Saginaw, and Grand Rapids as those are popular destinations some people don’t like driving or residents that need to make a Connection at DTW.
I’m happy to see one already back in the sky again!
You have a nice voice, also enjoyed the video 👍
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Those jets never dies.. lol
I recently saw some Boeing footage. The DC9 was back in testing but had to be put on the back burner due to the current 737 problems. Ironic, huh?
The source? Kinda wanna see the footage
Source?
"Backed by unpopular demand" lmaooooo
Better than the ERJ!!!
I just saw this plane fly out of the local airport!
SKW pilots fly all 3 varients of the CRJ compared to other airlines who’s pilots either flew solely the 200 or the 700/900
Correct, where at Endeavor you only flew the 200 or 900 (until the 700 came). Much like the difference in Delta and Air France’s airbus operation. At Delta you either fly the 330 or 350, where at airfrance they fly both. Kinda of similar to the airfrance and klm Boeing operation too. Although the pilots are qualified to fly both the 777 and 787, at KLM they only fly one for a year period where Air France pilots switch between the 2 types.
The last flight this plane did before she went off into the graveyard was into my hometown. MSP-SBN then off to the graveyard, SBN-TUS
Looked like a lotta old comair crj’s at the end.
Honestly, it was kinda dumb to have CRJ7's to the EAS cities in MI. Does CIU even fill a 65 seats? lol Great vid!
Thanks. I doubt it, they never even really filled a 200. I have gone on a couple of trips to fix planes at some of the EAS stations back in the day. They had about 10-20 people on them. My friend and his wife are from the UP and jump on the ESC flight all the time. They have never had an issue getting on.
It seems that this plane has now been transferred to Minnesota
I fueled a ferry flight from MSP to IGM tail n8891a endeavor in Feb of 2021. I don't like the crj2s. There is always something wrong with them. I'm glad Skywest is moving more towards e175s and endeavor also getting some. Crj7s and 9s aren't so bad but even those eventually will hit the cycle limit. MSP is going to be converting a big chunk of the regional ramp to fit mainline jets like a320s and 737s. I've also fueled tail 936. Can't say I miss it though...
Nice video.
Thanks
yo are u based at dtw??
N739CA…I’ve flown that plane 12 times. In fact I’ve flown most of those CA planes in that boneyard.
cant kill the deuce
Nope lol. Love it or hate it, it fills a niche in the airline industry.
Why do people not like the CRJ200s vs the other CRJ700/900 etc? Please excuse my ignorance.
Its small and cramped. The windows are extremely low and more at arm level than head level. The 700/900 has a lowered floor and higher windows fixing both the alignment and making it feel taller and more roomy. The 200 is also considered underpowered by those who fly it.
Great informative video as always . Have flown all three series 200,700, 900 many times . The CRJ 200 has earned its name as most hated commercial jet in the skies! Great work thanks for posting !
@@MTAviationPhotoFilm The are fast and loud. Like others have said, cramped. Kind of like a school bus with wings. They do get the job done, though.
The air conditioning leaves a bit to be desired in warm locations too. Fully loaded, from a hot location, passengers are sweating and it has nothing to do with climb performance. lol
As others have said, the 200 is awfully cramped. A full flight on a 200 is a highly unpleasant experience. I am not a big fan of the 700, either. I do like the 900.
I never understood why US airlines are flying jets on such low-density routes when they could order less expensive turboprops. An ATR42 would be much less expensive to operate than a CRJ200 on a short flight such as Detroit-Alpena.
Because logistically it would make no sense to do that. There would be the cost of new planes, cost of parts, cost of tooling, cost of simulators, ect. Then then training of pilots, mechanics, FAs, dispatchers. All for a plane that would then be fairly limited to only flying EAS routes. Why put up all that cost when you already operate an aircraft and have the qualified people to do so...
Jets tend to do better in ice as they have heated leading edges. ATR’s have boots which don’t shed ice as effectively. Also a jet can get above the weather much quicker than a turboprop. So from a safety standpoint the CRJ makes sense. For some reason turboprops just don’t survive in the industry. My first flight instructor went on to fly a Q800 (which is a piece of crap with wings) and that company only made it about a year.
Hmm. This might be a good sign!
Flights from Knoxville to Atlanta are so popular now that Delta Replaced the CRJ with the 737.
I hate the CRJs and avoid them. I find that despite them being meant for short haul routes, airlines love pushing these planes to their range limits thus being stuck on them for hours.
Can u do cabin interiors of United a321 and United b7378 max?
Random and off topic for the video
No
Oh no…………..
LOL. Do we know how long it's gonna be back for?
Through the summer until the CRJ550 is online as stated in the video
@@MTAviationPhotoFilm Oh. Sorry. I missed that
Tho 2:01
Damn! I was hoping she’d be permanently retired. Even the CRJ-900s are crappy and I made a review from the last time I flew a CRJ-900 link is on my channel
I will do my best to avoid her!! 😱 😅😂
Still worth noting that they are at least safe aircraft and efficient for the short haul low demand routes that they fly…
I will get on ANYTHING and not really care, turboprop, erj 145, whatever, EXCEPT this horrible thing with it's knee level windows. I hate this thing.
Heck, if they reactivate these, they might as well scrounge up a bunch of Q400s! lol they can’t be anymore disliked and would be much more fuel efficient as well as having more revenue seats! 😆
Except for the cost of training pilots, FAs, mechanics, dispatchers. Plus the cost of the airplane itself and all the parts and tooling to maintain it. The time it would take to get on the airlines op spec.
I don't care if the flight is more money, I refuse to fly on a CRJ.
No, the reason SkyWest is converting the CRJ 700's to 50 seaters is because it only uses 1 Flight Attendant. The passengers like them and it saves cost. It's all about the greed!
LOL if only Mesa flew for Delta. A plane that just won't die in spite of everyone's efforts. Flying for an airline that just won't die in spite of everyone's efforts. 😂😂😂😂