You are making a mistake, Geoff. This mistake leads you to the wrong conclusion. Your mistake is that you think there is a plan to deliberately destroy automotive industry for the reason the governments do not want people to be mobile and travel around freely. Your are wrong. Government destroy ALL industries. They do so for the reason they do not want people to have any job and euthanize all who can not support oneself and own family. They wish all of us dead. Do not comply.
I think the message here is that the Motor industry should have had some balls and said no to EV's, now they are reaping the rewards of their compliance.
They can say no to EVs. they only get fined if they build too many ices and given the high prices that was not likely. The Chinese loved Euro ICE brands but now local EV product is cheaper faster smoother ect ( mainly because it is designed by euro designers and built by factories operated by robots) The Chinese are not top heavy in execs and those who consult in China say they can go from drawing to rollout in 18 months. Euros and USA manufacturers (aside from Tesla) have been caught hopping and the likes of Stellantis are stuffed according to munro and Autoline. This is a global once in a hundred year transition which started a decade ago.
Instead of making great EVs that would have sold on their merits alone, they decided to rig the system so they force the sale of EVs with specs they wanted (big price, small battery). Open goal for the Chinese, now crying for more regulation after the horse has bolted. Guilt tripping passanger cars for the world's Co2 woes, meanwhile a blind eye to the big co2 emitters (those left in the west anyway)
@@modal88-j6glegacy auto will require 5-10 years to develop the skill set and factories to compete with where Tesla and BYD are today according to industry analysts interviewed on Autoline network. Govt policy assumed legacy were capable of competing with Tesla and BYD.
If the WEF get there way, we won't be driving. We will al be sitting tight in our 15 minute cities, being watched by the cameras and eating "ze bugs". This while anxiously scanning our social credit score.
@@Denise-vn8wz people dont want them as too expensive and many cannot charge them at home, as for the WEF, well, they can have and do as they like, they own and rule us....
I have a 15 year old Mondeo. It had 100k on the clock when I bought it 8 years ago and opted out of having a company car. It's now on 330,000 and still going strong.
I thought my 15 year old Mondeo with 275k on the clock was doing well but yours is impressive 😃 bought front new it's had a new clutch (dual mass flywheel fault actually) about 10 years ago and just had a new turbo but apart from that it's been basically maintainance and fair wear and tear ... I'm hoping to get it to 500k but I think I should get the 2nd timing belt change soon before it pops 😬
Fair play, that's some good milage, and I thought my 20 year old skoda diesel was doing well at 230,000 ,looks like its got a bit of catching up to do with these old Mondeo's. Good luck with the 500k 👍
My car, which I have had for 20 years, is a 1964 Rover 95. It replaced my previous 1962 Rover 100, which I had also had for 20 years. Daily driver. Beautifully built and sweetly over-engineered. No depreciation. Worth about £5k. Average annual spend about £1,000. I do MOT it, though for some ill-thought out and bonkers reason, by law I don't have to. ULEZ exempt. No tax. Insurance is £140 pa fully comp, and it is kept on the street. I do about 4,500 miles a year, but would happily do much more than that. It is in perfect condition. And will outlast me. It has never left me stranded. I understand how it works, and can pretty much fix anything were it to break down. Fabulous club and spares availability. Why would I buy a hugely expensive EV which will be a pile of obsolete metal and unrecyclable plastic and batteries in a few years time? I know my example is a bit extreme, but if you keep on top on older cars, especailly petrol ones (without the diesel particulate issue) with regular servicing and preventative maintenance, you will be fine. And do your bit for the planet: my car was made 60 years ago, and its carbon footprint is long sunk. No further mining of lithium, cadmium, copper, zinc, bauxite, iron, zinc or nickel required. And it will run on bio-fuel, if required.
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Finding anyone to work on an old car is difficult. No-one will touch my car once I tell them it has a carburettor.
@@nigelgrice3523 I ( Glen) also have a Rover P4. Its a 1963 110. I bought it in March from a friend in Nottingham who hardly used it. I drove it home 20 miles north of Nottingham with no foot brake. I had to use handbrake, engine braking and a large gap to the next car in front. The servo packed up between me test driving it and going to fetch it. When I got home it wouldn't start. The fuel system was clogged up through lack of use and then me disturbing the dirty fuel. I've rebuilt the whole system, including a new stainless steel, 2mm thick fuel tank, cleaned out fuel lines, a new pump, carb rebuild kit. Its running well now and I've started rebuilding the brakes. Currently cleaning up the rusty rear backplates and repainting and rebuilding brake cylinders. When its on the road it will be used a lot. I ran a 1960 Mk2 Consul as a daily driver a few years back. All year round and round trips of 400 or so with no trouble whatsoever. Sold it to a friend and regretted it after.
@@catherineborrill2148 Join the P4 Drivers Guild if you have not already done so, which has lots of resources and advice on hand. For parts, John Wearing and J.R. Wadhams. Both excellent. Good luck!
I just went to france on holiday this summer, I was shocked to see people driving 40 year old cars as their daily drivers. In the UK you regularly see cars over 20 years old!
We won't, simply because the commie utopians will make sure the vehicle tax and fuel is too expensive for us to own one. Not to mention MOT manipulation to thwart us.
Hi Geoff. I'm Technician and have worked in the main dealer car industry for 27 years. In all my time I've never known anything like this. I worked through all sorts of situations such as the economic collapse in 2008 & the pandemic and this is the worst I've seen. It's a perfect storm of products that are overpriced that most people don't want and general turn down in the economy. Plus reliability isn't what it used to be. The Motorbike industry is being hit harder but it's very sad to see the way the industry I've worked in all my life in such decline. Some are in denial about it but the ZEV/FEV thing will decimate it... I feel like the miners of the 60/70's!
There isn't a single appealing car on the market for me right now. Too many nanny state gadgets and gimmicks, awful electronics, badly designed engines and transmissions and huge lack of manual transmissions no conventional handbrakes. The cars on sale right now are like an asshole, they're full of shit.
@@gravemind6536 . I call them "show bags"...outwardly appealing and promising, but after purchase, you realise, they are overpriced and full of shit you don't really want. Cheers!
I’ve recently bought a 2016 merc 220d with 45k miles decent mpg, bit of luxury on my old age (75). With a timing chain no elastic band, hopefully it’ll see me till I end up in the one man wooden bungalow. Diesel rules!!!
I'm in the same mind as you mate. I'm 64 and have a 15 year old Mercedes tdi estate with a timing chain that does on a run does 53mpg 😂😂😂 it co😅me £5000 nearly 5 years ago 😂😂😂
Was having my Volvo serviced recently and the car XC90 in the next bay was having a failed main beam lamp replaced. Last time I had one replaced it cost less than £10. but the mechanic told me with these new LED lights you have to change the whole unit at a cost of more than £1000. Now that's what I call progress!!!!!!
Think of all that waste, replacing the whole unit. I think about this very expensive scenario when I watch an Audi's rear chasing indicator lights...that unit would probably cost £2000. It just needs to flash not show off. Heaven help the price of an Audi or others matrix headlight unit. A friend has just had one of his newish toyota corolla's wing mirrors damaged and it needs replacing...£800 at the local Toyota dealer. HA how much for a wing mirror!
New higher spec Defender headlights are somewhere around £3k, first thing that happens in a bump is that the mounting tabs snap off, LR don't sell the headlight backing. So a small bump could see 2 headlights, grille and bumper required. There's a video on here from powerfulluk about it.
I bought my 83 Granada 2.8 30 years ago for £1700 . It is still my daily driver and will remain so for as long as it lasts . It is now tax and MOT exempt . I consider that a win ! 180k miles and still going strong .
Just a buzz phrase like climate change and clean air zones. All BS for cash. Time we got a grip really. Can't even grit a road where i love. 2k a year road tax. Run by 'tards.
Our mechanic at an independent garage is a diamond...he fixes things for the cheapest safe repair. He always has a long waiting list for work appointments and loves keeping older motors on the road.
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new ones are too complex and costly so he wins also.
I’m a classic and vintage vehicle restoration engineer and I’ve been warning people about this sort of thing for years. I’m just waiting for the day when they eventually come after classic cars. But until then my best advice to anyone who is serious about keeping mobile is to find a car you like and start stockpiling spare parts for it, you’re going to need them.
I’m a car mechanic at a small independent garage We are fully booked up for weeks and cannot take any more work on We are definitely seeing a lot more bigger jobs like timing belts and clutches etc that would of probably been left or the car traded in when those repairs were needed People are definitely keeping hold of older cars and spending at lot of money on them to We currently don’t get involved with EVs due to the cost of all the specialist training and equipment needed It’s a massive shame to see the motoring industry in this mess and I fear for the future
Decent mechanics are turning people away at this point they're gonna have to buy vans and send mobile mechanics out to do the bread and butter stuff at this point.
Why fear for the future? You weren't born with a spanner in your hand, you trained to work on ICE. This a transformational period, retrain to get ahead of the game.
@ what I meant was I fear for the future of the motoring industry from the manufactures laying staff off to the lack of new young vehicle technicians to take over from all the old school mechanics out there My college course in the 80s had about 30 on it but our apprentice says there is 6 enrolled on his level 3 course and 2 of them hardly ever turn up
I've been in the motor trade for 40 years and I've pretty much seen it all, from discount wars to catastrophic recessions, workforce strikes to insurance premium supernovas, finance crashes to massive supply and demand imbalances and I can honestly say, I've never seen the level of crisis the industry is facing right now. If you're a main dealer, particularly with a European franchise, you are staring down the barrel of complete failure of your business, faster than you can say "Can I interest you in a useless and overpriced electric car". The worst part is, I called it 10 years ago; I've always said EVs were a technological blind alley, access to easy and ever longer term finance deals were bad for the industry and the mechanical complications of complying with stringent emissions regs would eventually kill the market. As far as I'm concerned, the business is done and I'm getting out, before the job market is saturated with former motor trade professionals, desperate to do something else and old buffers like me can't even get a gig stacking shelves. You have been warned people, forget all that experience you think is valuable, swallow your pride and bail out now, while the going is still relatively good.
I dont see the same pessimism. Millions of customers every year want electric, 90% of cars are PCP or whatever anyway, I dont see how that market changes much.
@@Trippenzoid Fleet buyers had to buy EV's due to the taxpayer funded incentives, private buyers bought them for zero road tax, and ULEZ. All of that has now gone, so no, they will no longer want EV's, as there is no point in them. The depreciation is colossal so instead of having a tidy sum on trade in towards a new car, the EV owners are faced with a massive loss. The dealers don't want them as they have to focus on selling new ones to meet the targets. It will cost them £15k per car if they cannot balance the EV/ICE sales. It's now an accountancy exercise.
SNAP exactly the same thoughts,went to China in 2014 as part of a group re new MG It was pretty easy to see what the Chinese Goverment were planning and the idiots in Western Goverments are playing right into it
I knew the bubble would burst as soon as everyone went in hard on these overpriced crossovers and SUVs, I knew a time would come where people couldn't afford them or maintain them or run them. Now we're in a time where people really want The Toyota Aygo, The VW UPs and Ford Fiestas etc and they've all been removed so people are keeping what they've got. A used Toyota Aygo from 2010 would cost almost as much as Mercedes S class from 2010 that's where demand is at.
I have a burning passion for fixing older cars but I sadly can't keep "just one" car for my entire life... I have too much fun buying old wrecks to put new life into them. This year I've saved 4 - a 2000 BMW X5 E53 with the 3L I6 M54 engine in it (Broken CCV), a 1996 W202 Mercedes C180 (broken windshield and leaking) as well as a 2012 Skoda Octavia 1.6tdi 4x4 (Failed gearbox). The fourth one I mentioned a couple weeks ago, a 1991 Toyota Carina 2, which had a water leak in the trunk area. These are cars most people don't really care about until they're gone and forgotten, so I'm doing my best to keep as many of them on the road still. My main project as of right now however is a 1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT with the 3L twin turbo engine. Can't wait to reassemble and drive that once the snow has melted here next spring 😃
@@phillipevans9414 Thank you! I also fix other people's cars for next to nothing as long as they're willing to keep it and not trade it in for an EV. Here in Norway the EV push is quite overwhelming...
Hi Geoff. I've been in the motor trade since 1982 first working on Metros triumph stags TR7 etc progressing through to BMW where I started with the new mini in 2002. I left the dealer network in2021 knowing that we were running into a cul da sac of no return. I now run my own independent mini specialist. The big question is by 2027 the economy will start to nose dive due to the lack of mobility. Tax system and town + city centres will become no go areas for a lot of motorists the local authorities will try reverse the previous decisions,but has will all know once you stop doing something you never go back. Keeping a old car on the road can work in practice BUT you need to be prepared for large repair bills, also pick a vehicle with a good after sales suppliers most older vehicles manufacturers stop producing after 10 yrs .
Couldn’t agree more. I’m a retired 71 year old carpenter, who’s worked on new house projects all my life. The standards of construction and materials today are based on one thing only. The cheapest cost, then sold at the maximum possible price on longer and more expensive mortgages. Working class people get ripped off so that developers and financiers can accumulate more wealth.
I have a 92 defender , it was my father's and mine now for ten years . I service and do all required work myself . This is going to be my last vehicle no matter what these goons in power say . Old is gold .
Spot on. I have a 1990 Defender Tdi, owned it nearly 20 years, used almost daily, nearly 200k miles, I regularly service it. Fitted galvanised chassis 8 years ago. It’s a definite keeper. Also in a crisis can run on heating oil……
You hit the nail on the head! Yes, they made cars too good and realized that it was bad for business! They see what the tech industry does and make things to stop working so they can sell the same thing again and again.
Here in Ireland, the insurance companies are now loading drivers of older cars with higher premiums purely because the cars are beyond a particular age, regardless of the mileage, driver’s history etc. My mother, a 79 year old who drives about 3,000kms a year in her 2006 Clio that she bought new (which now has just 58,000kms on it) and that I service regularly for her has seen her insurance go up by 50% in two years just because her car is “old”. She is claims free, drives very very carefully etc but her premium is going up and up because insurance companies don’t like old cars. Like the UK, the price of new cars here has gone mental with even small cars costing over thirty grand. EV sales have collapsed here and they’re down 26% in the past 12 months while petrol and diesel car sales have increased. And yet, the push to electrify is non stop despite the fact people don’t want EVs.
My local small independent car mechanic said honestly I have never ever made so much money with folk trying to hang on to their trusted steed welding engine repairs tyres batt's etc etc So So happy for him having owned a shop myself I know how hard it can be so good on ye fella hope you make a million !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I used to own a garage in Droitwich over 40 years ago and there was saying, "How do you make a million pounds in the Motor Trade? Answer.....Start with 2 million."
My wee car is 2013 and only has 22,000 miles on the clock - its fantastic and i love it and i will never trade it in or sell it. I will be driving that car until it physically doesnt drive any more. The body work is immaculate, looks brand new.
@@jameskrell4392 i dont know what that means lol but i will certainly look into it.
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@@Princess2112-e5d means get it protected underneath as that is what goes first. lanoguard protects the underneath but it needs doing every few years. Its not cheap tho.
Protect underneath with owatrol cip, and a cover coating, as nothing else works..it just makes it worse, tried and tested, i used to run a boating company and have tried it all.
It's end might not be as far away as you think and forget the underbody rust. It's will be coolent and oil leaks and electric assisted items and modules. And filters and sensors.
I drive around 20k miles a year in my 1988 Volvo 740, works fine, easy to fix but little goes wrong. In Australia we don't have salt on the roads so little rust problems.
In most of Canada the long winters of icy roads and salting and brine spraying are brutal on cars. We get cars oil sprayed but they still rust badly. Southern used cars are more valuable.
What’s going on in the car industry ?. Exactly what many people said when the rush to force us into EV’s in the name of Net Zero was pushed by idiot MP’s. I’m keeping my VW Golf diesel estate as long as possible. It’s due a service and it will be done this week. You can shove your EV’s, smart meters and heat pumps where the sun don’t shine.
Ideological government meddling for the last 20 years. Bureaucrats stay in work by creating new regulations that never expire. Who asked for lane assist ? Who asked for endless speed limit warnings ? Who asked for constant nannying ? It's endless and it will be endless until no-one wants to leave the house. I'll be honest I'm virtually there now.
Yep lane assist, AEB and speed limiters and constant beeping and touch screen climate control are why I won't get a newer car of any description, electronic handbrakes and automatic gearboxes are of no interest either. There isn't a single company producing a car I would actually want to buy right now.
I recently picked up a V70 2009 D5 with 81k on the clock, I plan on running it forever. 0 range anxiety and can fill up in 3 minutes anywhere in the country.
I often play the car game whilst on my travels during my working day. And the game is counting how many cars are over 8 to 10 years old now, and it's surprising. You just don't see many brand new cars. And its a growing age of the current car market. Great video Geoff (I belong to the growing number of car owners that won't buy a new car, ever)
Love Mr Hardcock. And the video filmed in one take. My owner has 22 year old Honda that's done over 200,000 miles and I go on holiday sitting next to my Gran in the back... Woof!
I was in a bad habit of the whole PCP thing and had multiple new cars every few years. Picked up my 1996 Mercedes E320 C124 in Feb this year and have never been happier with a car. No BS, just a solid built car with a lovely engine.
Totally with you. I live in London and after 6 years and 120K miles, just put my old 1998 C250TD esprit estate for scrappage for the two grand on offer. One month later and I have scrappers remorse. Driving a C-Max (2007) and it a great useful car but the Mercedes was such a trooper, I did 120 miles a day in it travelling around the South East, and it soaked up the miles with ease. It was rusty, bits falling of, only 35mpg but I loved it. Final mileage 240K.
@@markfrancis5164 Shame it had to go to scrap. Mine had 63k on the clock when I bought it and has just over 70k now. Always wanted one so I picked out the best one I could find. Has zero rust and looks immaculate inside and out. Just need to make sure I look after it as much as the previous owners! 😄
Congratulations….PCP is just big financial cleverly profiteering on people’s desire to keep up appearances with their neighbours….life becomes a little easier once you get over the consumerism bug, and start appreciating driving and appreciating an older model car. I always had new German cars, not any more as too many reliability issues. I have been happily driving the bomb proof reliability of a 2011 Toyota 4WD.
A sad end for vauxhall in Luton, up until very recently 4 out of 5 cars on the road here were vauxhalls, it was almost compulsory to have a corsa B or C when you passed your test. This was on the cards already since they closed the main plant 22 years ago and when stellantis took over it was basically over, ive probably seen about 10 new shape astras since they came out, before you'd see the new shapes everywhere within months, just goes to show no one has the money or desire to buy these grossly inflated cars. Ive still got a mk2 astra from 1990, a proper car that used to be ten a penny. Its really sad whats happening to cars, the manufacturing industry and the UK in general .i wish the vauxhall workers good luck, hopefully they dont end up in Amazon or lidl warehouse cos there's not much left in the town
Could never see the great appeal or point of heated seats, until I sat on one earlier today when I had been working outside in the cold for a few hours, I totally get it now :)
In Royal Tunbridge Wells, Kent I swear 1/10 cars are Mazda MX-5 mk2’s. Literally everyone who is in their 20’s including myself has one. They just don’t go wrong, it’s the pinnacle of robust engineering and everyone has the knowledge to help each other when things do occasionally go wrong. There isn’t a single thing which costs more than £250 to replace and our local part worn tire shop has heaps of 195/50/15s at £20 a pop. Mazda mx5s are truly liberating to own. we’re like a real community unlike the EV and finance car people who don’t bond with others over cars and treat them like fast fashion actively ensuring the environment is worse off in the long run.
I am selling any car I have newer than 2020. Daily driver will be a 1970 VG Valiant with no emission controls. Simple and easy to fix. Drives beautifully. I am restoring two 1977 Valiant CL Chargers, Engines are petrol, carburettors, 5.3 litre and 4.3 litre. 😊 The government has ruined new cars with all the unreliable technology. I just don't want them. 😊
On the radio today I heard a representative of the EV industry saying we were falling behind Europe through lack of investment Europe were meeting EV targets people were buying EVs , apparently. I thought this is complete BS.
You’re right. It’s not true. I frequently visit Nice and though there’s a lot of money there, most people are regular people who don’t have huge bank balances. They’re definitely not buying EVs.
That will be why Volkswagen is making huge layoffs in Germany nobody wants their ID crap or cars that cost over £30k and have the cheek to come with wheel trims.
I just spent a few hundred pounds having a new rear axle fitted to me old Xsara picasso. I felt like I had over spent on it. My mate has a four year old Peugeot 3008. He’s had to have a new timing chain kit fitted at a cost of £2,500 then it came up with ad blue fault and the car had a 600 mile range before the engine shuts down. That’s cost nearly another £1,000 in repairs. This is on a four year old 60,000 mile car. Shocking. I’m keeping my old cars that are generally reliable and easy to repair.
one of the best cars i ever owned in terms of reliability was a 2004 Mondeo. Boring as hell, but really practical, well equipped, economical and could be run on a shoestring. It was 10 years old when i had it and i did about 100k fault free miles. it sailed through every MOT and the only thing other than consumables that i had to spend was a rear drop link, £15 and an hour on my driveway. So sad when I foolishly sold itvand bought an M3 which was a stylish p.o.s.
Back in the 80s we had cars that were good mechanically but bodywork was poor and rotted badly now we have cars with bodywork that doesn't rot but have powertrains that are less than good
The problem is with old cars it was not that big a job to just get an engine out of a rusted car and with a bit of work make it fit your rust free car but today computers rule putting the engine in is not the problem getting it to talk to the car is.
In the last week I've changed a 71 reg car which I bought new and as 9k on the clock to a 63 reg with 61k on it. With the increase in new car prices I have been offered only £1200 less than it cost me 3 years ago. Makes no sense to keep it. The 63 reg is zero road tax, that saves £200 p.a. and ulez compliant and comes without the likes of tpms. Went for first long drive in it today and had a smile on my face which as not happened while driving for years. It cost me just a little more than I have lost on the newer car. Enjoying your channel, keep up the good work.
My 2002 low mileage little micra cost me well under a grand and gets a solid 45mpg no matter how I drive. No screens or any sensors. Just a solid reliable car.
I’m rockin a ‘63 Morris minor. Costs F all to run, can repair myself, and if I break down (happened once in 3 years) I tend to be able to fix it at the side of the road. I drive it 50 miles a day, 5 days a week. Best of British motoring and can drive around Buckingham palace all day and not pay ulez 😂
bought my 2008 1.8 diesel mondeo in 2011. Loan paid off in 2014. Zero payments since. Now got 304000km (190k miles) on the clock. Going like a train. Checked the milage during the summer on a 300km trip, got 63mpg!!!!!! Blessed to have an east Europen mechanic (his garage opposite my work) that actually fixes things rather than replacing with new. He's more reluctant to spend anything on it than me. Probably spent less than €3000 on it since I got it (timing chain & brakes being the two big ones). Almost free motoring. Big strong comfortable car. Can take 5 adults no problem. Government will have to prise it from me with a crowbar. Guy in work today delighted with the great deal he got on his wife's car. Changing up from 3 year old Hyundai hybrid (big yoke) to some VW R line. Only €600/month! Over €21,000 for next three years! Is the world gone mad? As my mother used to say "I hope it always stays as good for them"
Not to mention all the new cars are coming with subscriptions, and you have to download the apps to use your car effectively like using high beams or playing music. Older vehicle means none of that crap.
And no spying either. It used to be a given that a car was the perfect place to have a private conversation. With modern cars with inbuilt microphones and cameras that phone home that is no longer the case
Thats the biggest problem with the general publics perception on car values. When a car needs more money spending on it keeping it running than what its worth. They get rid. My 2003 Focus ST170 is currently going though about £500-600 worth of work to get it through a MOT for another 12 months. Its only worth £1000 on a good day. But £600 is 1 months finance on a brand new car. Even a 5 year old car. £600 is only 2-3 months payment. And that to me makes no financial sense. Yes any car post 2014 is nice and quiet at 70mph. But its so disconnected from the road they are absolutely both dangerous and boring.
Car prices take the piss now. In 2020 I bought a 3 year (2017 plate) old BMW 5 series for 12.5k. If i now want a 3 year old 5 series estate they cost 30k. Cars have got so expensive people cant buy cars of the same age in the same price range. They need to buy 5 year old cars now and not 3 year old.
@@ComeJesusChristI bought a 2004 Porsche 911, partly to remove cash from thieving bankers and partly because it’s fun. It’s perfect, no rust on or under body, full PSH & the only true modern electronics are my retrofitted stereo / sat nav/ music player, which I mostly use in offline mode (Bluetooth, or wired accessory). Almost the last properly made old school analogue car.
Geoff, you are spot on. No cars, No travel and being poisoned at the same time from above. Old cars rule. Have you seen how fuel prices are creeping up again. I have a 2004 Focus brilliant ha ha ha lol....
Lots of good points. When you say people used to look for 5 year old cars but now look for 10 year old cars it's not the age but their budget. Lots of us like to spend £4-7k on a car. Some years ago that would get you a 5 year old model, now that budget buys 10 year old model. Your point on repair bills is why people are avoiding new cars. My 2016 Peugeot diesel I abandoned because I got tired of big bills for AdBlue injectors, DPF issues and huge alternator cost due to stop start technology. Last two years been driving a petrol 2011 Honda Jazz and my wallet thanking me.
Hi Geoff, You could not make this stuff up. You had me in tears laughing so hard at Nothard & Cox & co. I'm glad I own a 500cc motor bike for w'end rides, a 100 cc scooter for commuting and a 12 yr old Audi for holiday trips. Great videos.
There are many factors that cripples the car industry. Many of the environmental regulations cripples engines. Extremely expensive new car models, especially for EVs. Expensive repairs. Value depreciation. High inflation. Higher interest rates. Uncertainty of coming stricter regulations.
My 2003 E60 545i manual is a really decent honest car. Not fully loaded but reasonably economical, tax aside, and at 160k miles still going strong. I think I'll really miss it when I finally part with it
Keeping my 2005 Fiesta. Just got another 12 months on MOT. Probably cost me £500 but that apart from petrol is going to be my expenditure for the year.
Geoff there is also a rumour going around that all ev's are going to be banned from going on ferries, Great utube video again, keep the good work up, 👍👍👍 ,
I'm NOT Elon Musk - I don't want expensive space age technology in my car. I want it affordable, tried & tested, robust, & easy to fix. If you're not offering me that then I'm NOT buying from you.
American here. Elon knew he could sell his cars to zealot liberals and make money. He's said they aren't for everyone and shouldn't be legislated in. Elon is a business man and now a conservative.
You are right about the hybrids not being better on gas. I bought my kids a 2005 Malibu that gets 7.8l /100k. My in-laws Infiniti hybrid got 7.4. Not enough of a difference to justify the extra cost of premium fuel and maintenance. When it was 9 years old, but still low mileage and looking good, I told him to check on the battery replacement. That battery was discontinued. In order to replace it the car would have to be shipped from Calgary to Vancouver to a company that makes custom battery packs, at a cost of at least 20 grand. He traded it in right away for a gas car. I pity the person that bought it! Here I live the average cost of a new vehicle has gone from 32 grand to 71 since before Covid. 5 years.
Have a 2007 SAAB 9-5 wagon. Keeps on rolling and currently on 156K. Best car I have owned comfortable and cheap to fix. Next to no gizmos and looks great too....
I remember us being at this age point during the demise of the British motorcycle industry. Triumph remained as the last UK manufacturer (in its original form) but all too soon government support was withdrawn and the Meriden Cooperative that built them closed (it has since re-emerged under John Bloor, but is not the original company). The Government sat by and watched the failure. Clearly to avoid such a decline for British assembled cars the Government needs to act now, but I feel sure they will not and the UK motor manufacturing industry will vanish altogether. This leads me on to one burning question - if we end up driving Chinese built EVs, who gets to put the carbon footprint of their manufacturing and shipping on their emissions statistics? Will it be the UK or China? Currently it is China. Is this all part of the Net Zero plan?........
Who gives a toss about a nebulous figure... the driver of a Chinese EV can be confident that within two years the planet will be better off from them ditching an ICE and pedestrians at the school drop off will be thankful of the reduction in air pollution and noise.
china is buying old car factories Europe Brazil and soon GB. this is to get round tariffs. Nissan Sunderland is struggling. I read it has 18 months before the parent company goes into bankruptcy . if so wonder who will step in
Looks like I'll be sticking to my 2011saab 9-3 ttid estate 😊 There was a saying that I saw the other day which went something like "We are not going to change the temperature of the planet by giving our government more of our money" 😉
Aussie here, I remember it wasn’t all that long ago you could get something like a Hyundai Getz for as low as $13,990 drive away. Now the cheapest car on sale here is the rubbish MG3, which is just on $20k. Not to mention as you probably know, we lost our local car industry. Apparently people weren’t buying local cars, or so they say, but the Holden Commodore and Toyota Camry were in the top 10 right up to the very end. Ny cutoff is 2017, when we lost local manufacturing, not long after that I mostly lost interest in new cars, with everything becoming an SUV, 4x4 Ute or Chinese POS. In 2016 Ford discontinued the Falcon, and have more or less replaced it with the Everest, Ranger and Mustang, all of which are more expensive. 10 years ago $60 - $70k would get you into a nice Calais or Falcon G6E with all the toys, good luck finding anything else on the market these days that gives you the same bang for buck. I’m personally in the process of putting the finishing touches on my 2001 Holden VX Berlina, which when I get back on the road next year, I expect to get another 20 years out of. A bit like your Volvos, as far as I’m concerned the only real replacement for a Commodore or Falcon is another Commodore or Falcon.
The lesson from Australia is that the Oz government gifted over $2B to Ford who closed down anyway! Now we have EVs designed by top Euro designers built by robots with best battery tech in the world.
@@davidshepherd265 Uk uses less energy now that a decade ago. Your "let alone charge EVs" comment implies you consider evs are a significant drain on a household or a grid? This is not the case as evs are mostly charged overnight at average rate of 7kw which is well within a home supply capacity and rather helpful to keep the off-peak base load generation humming which stabilises the grid. This is so advantageous that power companies discount the tariff! EV charging also diverts cash from oil companies to local grid suppliers. Coming soon is bidirectional charging.
@@mickjoebills Our power grid at the moment is flat out running buildings, especially in Summer. We recently had a heatwave in Sydney and got told by the government to watch our AC use and use of other power hungry appliances due to brownouts. Same thing happened at the start of the year. And just today there was a blackout in the Sydney CBD due to a flooded underground substation. I actually don’t hate EVs believe it or not, I think they have a lot of advantages, but at the moment if every man and his dog went out and replaced their ICE with EVs the power grid would collapse under the strain
@@davidshepherd265this is simply FUD because every man and his dog would not be charging during peak petiods. EVs get charged overnight when owners are having a snooze and at a time when grid is so under utilised the tariff has a 70% discount applied! Further to this, bidirectional charging introduces the prospect of hundreds of thousands of batteries supporting households or feeding the grid.
Very sad to hear of the Luton plant as I have a 1st cousin who started in Vauxhall at 14 sweeping the lines and retired approx 10 yrs ago aged 64. All that time in Vauxhall.
Weve been saying that NET Zero was nonsense and that putting targets on manufacturers for EV's will back fire. Its going to cripple the auto industry and main stream media are only just saying how things are getting bad. Who wants to pay £30k for a car that will only go 150miles and that is worthless within 10 years? My corsa cost me £7000 in 2011 using the scrappage allowance and with company discount. Im still driving it today. Its probably worth £2k at max so Ive only lost £5k in 13years. I cant afford to buy a milkfloat and wont be
Even the ICE cars are crap crossover SUV junk with shit drivetrains and big markups. The bubble is bursting as I predicted it would with these targets, I thought it would when fuel nearly hit £2 a litre I thought people would go back into normal fuel efficent cars but they didn't and manufactures aren't making affordable cars. You walk into a Ford dealership and the cheapest car is an entry level Puma for £26500. Anything decent is over £30k who has all this money lying around? My Toyota Auris will be with me for a long time. I'm not paying more for crap I don't even like.
Comparing an old banger with any new vehicle is apples and oranges. In respect to running costs you point out lowish capital cost but do not detail the running costs, fuel and maintenance. I would respectfully add that you comment that batteries are worthless in ten years is unfounded and even today a further report from a motoring organisation whose data points to greater reliability.
I have 3 cars. Youngest is 7 years old. It's a Mazda 6 petrol estate and cost £17500 new. It won't be getting replaced any time soon - maybe when it's 20? My oldest if 43 years old and still works perfectly
Cant beat a Passat, I owned a B6 it went on forever no issues, wife now has a B8 passat estate so far zero problems now 8 years old and 100k+ on it. @mrg-ghx8052
All manufacturers should start heavily supporting older cars perhaps from the year 2000 where many have technology for fuel efficiency etc etc in this way the manufacturers will increase sales of parts etc. I know some manufacturers now have “classic” divisions and gradually increase spare parts availability. When one considers veteran vehicles can still be kept running it makes one realise maintaining certain vehicles is better than scraping and purchasing a new vehicle filled with gizmos where parts will become unavailable within 10years.
I bought a 2008 Lexus IS250 earlier this year to replace my 2003 Honda Accord, which is proper noisy on long drives. Was going to sell the Honda but decided to SORN and hold on to it for now, as the used car market will inevitably be hit by what's happening in the industry.
I drive a 16 year old diesel car with 330,000km on it and a 40 year old carburreted motorbike, both are infinitely more reliable than anything produced after about 2016. If I had the money I would go even farther back and get an old Volvo 240
I have a 13 year old Honda Jazz. I bought it from the local dealer 5 years ago. It’s very reliable. A few weeks ago, they called me up and after asking if I was thinking about upgrading my vehicle and offered me 1000k more than the online valuation. I told them that I am happy with my vehicle. And, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. When I told my son. He thinks it’s because they are short of computer bits!
Coming out of a PCP deal next year and looking for a tidy used car to buy outright. Yearly servicing, and replacement parts as required - sorted! Monthly outgoings are currently far too high, so they can have the car back.
I drive a 22 year old Suzuki Grand Vitara 4x4 1.6 with 67,000 on the clock. It cost me £2700 eleven years ago and on a good day I could still get the same for it. It just sailed through the MOT, with a small service at the same time which cost £175.00. I have replaced the CD player/radio with a double DIN Android box, so I have the mod cons, Sat Nav, Dab Radio, MP3, Cameras, OBD and lots more if I wanted it.
I have a 14 year old Dacia Logan which I love (including the cd player) and shall drive until it falls apart! My husband's friend bought a new Peugeot this year and it has already had engine problems .
The mot will finish your car off before you do.. Every year it becomes more stringent. They will do a final push soon the get all no engined cars off the road like a engine scrappage scheme.. Sound familiar?
I have thought for a long time that we should be encouraging manufacturers to switch their model from manufacturing new to re-manufacturing what they have already made. That could be with an existing owner taking their 20 year old car back to the manufacturer and they restor and potentially update some parts of it. Additionally manufacturers should be standarising as much as possible components that go into cars. Personally we as a family own the following: 2024 Toyota CHR, 2006 Ford Mondeo ST220 estate, 1989 VW T3 Caravelle GL Auto, 1974 VW Baywindow (T2b) Westfalia camper. The only one of those I will sell in the next few years is the Toyota, which for me is the most horrible car I've ever owned (my wife's car really).
Sticking with my 2011 diesel ford focus. Have it serviced every year. Sailed through MOT last week with no advisories. Just had new glow plugs & 2 injectors re sealed. Drives well, happy with it
Geoff, I drive an old Ford Fusion 1.6 petrol (Fiesta based) which I bought for £2000 two years ago with very low mileage, Autotrader has loads of these, it is great, does everything I need, I would buy another if I needed one.
I bought a Volvo 850 for £450 about 10 years ago, it had 164k miles, then after 4 years I sold it for scrap when it had 208k miles. The steering rack was leaking and the hand brake was broken, it also used to jump out of first and second gear, it was 20 years old at the time, got 150 for it.
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Is this only for multi car buyer's and owner's or just anyone who owns a car Geoff?
Is there any evidence they pay a fine for non electric?
I've only heard they do.
@@thetopcat8946anyone. Form is a bit vague because we came up with the form before it had a name…😊
@@roberthiggins6401 Do you mean the manufacturers pay a fine? If you do, then yes, they are called CAFE fines
You are making a mistake, Geoff. This mistake leads you to the wrong conclusion. Your mistake is that you think there is a plan to deliberately destroy automotive industry for the reason the governments do not want people to be mobile and travel around freely.
Your are wrong.
Government destroy ALL industries. They do so for the reason they do not want people to have any job and euthanize all who can not support oneself and own family.
They wish all of us dead. Do not comply.
Old vehicles are the future.
And, would you believe it, a sign we are FREE.
Prices for v6, v8 and v10 have sky rocketed these engines are in high demand.
Only if the manufacturers keep making the spare parts!
But an old car ‘tomorrow’ is a new car ‘today’. Ps. I drive a 10 year old car btw but bought it brand new.
No cars are the future ,
I think the message here is that the Motor industry should have had some balls and said no to EV's, now they are reaping the rewards of their compliance.
They can say no to EVs. they only get fined if they build too many ices and given the high prices that was not likely. The Chinese loved Euro ICE brands but now local EV product is cheaper faster smoother ect ( mainly because it is designed by euro designers and built by factories operated by robots) The Chinese are not top heavy in execs and those who consult in China say they can go from drawing to rollout in 18 months. Euros and USA manufacturers (aside from Tesla) have been caught hopping and the likes of Stellantis are stuffed according to munro and Autoline. This is a global once in a hundred year transition which started a decade ago.
@@mickjoebills except that the majority of Chinese EV manufacturers are also going broke and only surviving on CCP subsidies
So how do you reduce the CO2 that the cars are producing? We have to do that or we will pay far more than a slight annoyance in the long run.
Instead of making great EVs that would have sold on their merits alone, they decided to rig the system so they force the sale of EVs with specs they wanted (big price, small battery).
Open goal for the Chinese, now crying for more regulation after the horse has bolted.
Guilt tripping passanger cars for the world's Co2 woes, meanwhile a blind eye to the big co2 emitters (those left in the west anyway)
@@modal88-j6glegacy auto will require 5-10 years to develop the skill set and factories to compete with where Tesla and BYD are today according to industry analysts interviewed on Autoline network. Govt policy assumed legacy were capable of competing with Tesla and BYD.
Public don’t want them but the WEF DO!!
But wef don't drive them!
If the WEF get there way, we won't be driving. We will al be sitting tight in our 15 minute cities, being watched by the cameras and eating "ze bugs". This while anxiously scanning our social credit score.
@@Denise-vn8wz people dont want them as too expensive and many cannot charge them at home, as for the WEF, well, they can have and do as they like, they own and rule us....
EVs are like a paper raincoat,,soon u will be pissed on
Exactly 👍
I have a 15 year old Mondeo. It had 100k on the clock when I bought it 8 years ago and opted out of having a company car. It's now on 330,000 and still going strong.
I thought my 15 year old Mondeo with 275k on the clock was doing well but yours is impressive 😃 bought front new it's had a new clutch (dual mass flywheel fault actually) about 10 years ago and just had a new turbo but apart from that it's been basically maintainance and fair wear and tear ... I'm hoping to get it to 500k but I think I should get the 2nd timing belt change soon before it pops 😬
@@obiwankenobi4694your very lucky it's lasted that long with only two belts .. well done 👍🏻 get it done
@obiwankenobi4694 definitely change the belt.
Fair play, that's some good milage, and I thought my 20 year old skoda diesel was doing well at 230,000 ,looks like its got a bit of catching up to do with these old Mondeo's.
Good luck with the 500k 👍
@MK5446 all of the ubers in athens are diesel octavias. Most ones i got in had over 500k km on the clocks
My car, which I have had for 20 years, is a 1964 Rover 95. It replaced my previous 1962 Rover 100, which I had also had for 20 years. Daily driver. Beautifully built and sweetly over-engineered. No depreciation. Worth about £5k. Average annual spend about £1,000. I do MOT it, though for some ill-thought out and bonkers reason, by law I don't have to. ULEZ exempt. No tax. Insurance is £140 pa fully comp, and it is kept on the street. I do about 4,500 miles a year, but would happily do much more than that. It is in perfect condition. And will outlast me. It has never left me stranded. I understand how it works, and can pretty much fix anything were it to break down. Fabulous club and spares availability. Why would I buy a hugely expensive EV which will be a pile of obsolete metal and unrecyclable plastic and batteries in a few years time? I know my example is a bit extreme, but if you keep on top on older cars, especailly petrol ones (without the diesel particulate issue) with regular servicing and preventative maintenance, you will be fine. And do your bit for the planet: my car was made 60 years ago, and its carbon footprint is long sunk. No further mining of lithium, cadmium, copper, zinc, bauxite, iron, zinc or nickel required. And it will run on bio-fuel, if required.
Finding anyone to work on an old car is difficult. No-one will touch my car once I tell them it has a carburettor.
If a garage told me they won't work on a carb car I wouldn't be taking any vehicles there.
Plenty of Classic specialists around. I run two classics, but I do maintain myself.
@@nigelgrice3523 I ( Glen) also have a Rover P4. Its a 1963 110. I bought it in March from a friend in Nottingham who hardly used it. I drove it home 20 miles north of Nottingham with no foot brake. I had to use handbrake, engine braking and a large gap to the next car in front. The servo packed up between me test driving it and going to fetch it. When I got home it wouldn't start. The fuel system was clogged up through lack of use and then me disturbing the dirty fuel. I've rebuilt the whole system, including a new stainless steel, 2mm thick fuel tank, cleaned out fuel lines, a new pump, carb rebuild kit. Its running well now and I've started rebuilding the brakes. Currently cleaning up the rusty rear backplates and repainting and rebuilding brake cylinders. When its on the road it will be used a lot. I ran a 1960 Mk2 Consul as a daily driver a few years back. All year round and round trips of 400 or so with no trouble whatsoever. Sold it to a friend and regretted it after.
@@catherineborrill2148 Join the P4 Drivers Guild if you have not already done so, which has lots of resources and advice on hand. For parts, John Wearing and J.R. Wadhams. Both excellent. Good luck!
We will end up like CUBA people will be driving around in 40 year old Volvos.Get em while they're cheap❤
Geoff's buying them all up & cornering the market 😂
I’m thinking you might be spot on! 🤷♂️👍
I just went to france on holiday this summer, I was shocked to see people driving 40 year old cars as their daily drivers. In the UK you regularly see cars over 20 years old!
Don't want a lada engine in it lol !
We won't, simply because the commie utopians will make sure the vehicle tax and fuel is too expensive for us to own one. Not to mention MOT manipulation to thwart us.
Hi Geoff. I'm Technician and have worked in the main dealer car industry for 27 years. In all my time I've never known anything like this. I worked through all sorts of situations such as the economic collapse in 2008 & the pandemic and this is the worst I've seen. It's a perfect storm of products that are overpriced that most people don't want and general turn down in the economy. Plus reliability isn't what it used to be. The Motorbike industry is being hit harder but it's very sad to see the way the industry I've worked in all my life in such decline. Some are in denial about it but the ZEV/FEV thing will decimate it... I feel like the miners of the 60/70's!
The Cabal doesn't want personal mobility
There isn't a single appealing car on the market for me right now. Too many nanny state gadgets and gimmicks, awful electronics, badly designed engines and transmissions and huge lack of manual transmissions no conventional handbrakes. The cars on sale right now are like an asshole, they're full of shit.
@@DewtbArenatsiz . Just remember...we outnumber the cabal millions to one, they can only dictate to us whilst we allow it. Cheers!
@@gravemind6536 . I call them "show bags"...outwardly appealing and promising, but after purchase, you realise, they are overpriced and full of shit you don't really want. Cheers!
@@DewtbArenatsiz The 15 minute city is on the way!
I’ve recently bought a 2016 merc 220d with 45k miles decent mpg, bit of luxury on my old age (75). With a timing chain no elastic band, hopefully it’ll see me till I end up in the one man wooden bungalow. Diesel rules!!!
I'm in the same mind as you mate. I'm 64 and have a 15 year old Mercedes tdi estate with a timing chain that does on a run does 53mpg 😂😂😂 it co😅me £5000 nearly 5 years ago 😂😂😂
A one man wooden bungalow? 😂 omg, I love that one! Good luck with your new Merc, sounds fabulous! 👍🏻
Diesel runs the World
May God give you and your car long live.
@@vipeton.8927 did you mean life? 😜😜
Was having my Volvo serviced recently and the car XC90 in the next bay was having a failed main beam lamp replaced. Last time I had one replaced it cost less than £10. but the mechanic told me with these new LED lights you have to change the whole unit at a cost of more than £1000. Now that's what I call progress!!!!!!
Think of all that waste, replacing the whole unit. I think about this very expensive scenario when I watch an Audi's rear chasing indicator lights...that unit would probably cost £2000. It just needs to flash not show off. Heaven help the price of an Audi or others matrix headlight unit.
A friend has just had one of his newish toyota corolla's wing mirrors damaged and it needs replacing...£800 at the local Toyota dealer. HA how much for a wing mirror!
New higher spec Defender headlights are somewhere around £3k, first thing that happens in a bump is that the mounting tabs snap off, LR don't sell the headlight backing. So a small bump could see 2 headlights, grille and bumper required.
There's a video on here from powerfulluk about it.
Our 2010 1.9tdi Skoda Octavia is closing in on 600,000 miles and still provides us with reliable and safe service. Regular maintenance is key.
I bought my 83 Granada 2.8 30 years ago for £1700 . It is still my daily driver and will remain so for as long as it lasts . It is now tax and MOT exempt . I consider that a win ! 180k miles and still going strong .
This is brilliant
What age do cars become tax and MOT exempt?
I bought my 1983 sierra xr4l 21 years ago for £350, that's still going strong 165tho miles, will never sell her!
@@NiceLoki 40 years i think
Now that's what I call a luxury car I hada blue 2.8 I back in the 80s firkin lovely
Net zero means exactly nothing.
They want absolute zero.... all heat is gone and atomic and molecular motion ceases. At this temperature, life would be impossible
It means paying more tax for virtue signalling.
And getting conned.
I disagree, it means tyranny.
Just a buzz phrase like climate change and clean air zones. All BS for cash. Time we got a grip really. Can't even grit a road where i love. 2k a year road tax. Run by 'tards.
@@paulmatthews9366 All the parasites want to do is strip-mine the planet of rare metals.
Our mechanic at an independent garage is a diamond...he fixes things for the cheapest safe repair. He always has a long waiting list for work appointments and loves keeping older motors on the road.
new ones are too complex and costly so he wins also.
Brilliant! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Our local garage is same. Always busy with older cars and mechanic prefers them.
Is he anywhere in London?
Well done Geoff, needed to be said.
I’m a classic and vintage vehicle restoration engineer and I’ve been warning people about this sort of thing for years. I’m just waiting for the day when they eventually come after classic cars.
But until then my best advice to anyone who is serious about keeping mobile is to find a car you like and start stockpiling spare parts for it, you’re going to need them.
I’m a car mechanic at a small independent garage
We are fully booked up for weeks and cannot take any more work on
We are definitely seeing a lot more bigger jobs like timing belts and clutches etc that would of probably been left or the car traded in when those repairs were needed
People are definitely keeping hold of older cars and spending at lot of money on them to
We currently don’t get involved with EVs due to the cost of all the specialist training and equipment needed
It’s a massive shame to see the motoring industry in this mess and I fear for the future
ExZctly!!
Decent mechanics are turning people away at this point they're gonna have to buy vans and send mobile mechanics out to do the bread and butter stuff at this point.
Why fear for the future? You weren't born with a spanner in your hand, you trained to work on ICE. This a transformational period, retrain to get ahead of the game.
@ what I meant was I fear for the future of the motoring industry from the manufactures laying staff off to the lack of new young vehicle technicians to take over from all the old school mechanics out there
My college course in the 80s had about 30 on it but our apprentice says there is 6 enrolled on his level 3 course and 2 of them hardly ever turn up
@@garyparker5012Tesla laid of 10,000 staff last week. EVs still need suspension work. New skills are battery and battery cooing tech.
Net zero needs to be scraped
I will keep my old car going
Net zero means you will own nothing and be happy
Build Back Better @@DewtbArenatsiz
@@DewtbArenatsizthat’s the plan in WEFminster
I've been in the motor trade for 40 years and I've pretty much seen it all, from discount wars to catastrophic recessions, workforce strikes to insurance premium supernovas, finance crashes to massive supply and demand imbalances and I can honestly say, I've never seen the level of crisis the industry is facing right now. If you're a main dealer, particularly with a European franchise, you are staring down the barrel of complete failure of your business, faster than you can say "Can I interest you in a useless and overpriced electric car".
The worst part is, I called it 10 years ago; I've always said EVs were a technological blind alley, access to easy and ever longer term finance deals were bad for the industry and the mechanical complications of complying with stringent emissions regs would eventually kill the market.
As far as I'm concerned, the business is done and I'm getting out, before the job market is saturated with former motor trade professionals, desperate to do something else and old buffers like me can't even get a gig stacking shelves.
You have been warned people, forget all that experience you think is valuable, swallow your pride and bail out now, while the going is still relatively good.
I dont see the same pessimism. Millions of customers every year want electric, 90% of cars are PCP or whatever anyway, I dont see how that market changes much.
Our local family run garages are crying out for mechanics.
They have never been busier.
2 - 4 weeks waiting lists to get repairs and MOT's done ⚠️⚠️
@@Trippenzoid Fleet buyers had to buy EV's due to the taxpayer funded incentives, private buyers bought them for zero road tax, and ULEZ. All of that has now gone, so no, they will no longer want EV's, as there is no point in them. The depreciation is colossal so instead of having a tidy sum on trade in towards a new car, the EV owners are faced with a massive loss. The dealers don't want them as they have to focus on selling new ones to meet the targets. It will cost them £15k per car if they cannot balance the EV/ICE sales. It's now an accountancy exercise.
SNAP exactly the same thoughts,went to China in 2014 as part of a group re new MG
It was pretty easy to see what the Chinese Goverment were planning and the idiots in Western Goverments are playing right into it
I knew the bubble would burst as soon as everyone went in hard on these overpriced crossovers and SUVs, I knew a time would come where people couldn't afford them or maintain them or run them. Now we're in a time where people really want The Toyota Aygo, The VW UPs and Ford Fiestas etc and they've all been removed so people are keeping what they've got. A used Toyota Aygo from 2010 would cost almost as much as Mercedes S class from 2010 that's where demand is at.
I have a burning passion for fixing older cars but I sadly can't keep "just one" car for my entire life... I have too much fun buying old wrecks to put new life into them. This year I've saved 4 - a 2000 BMW X5 E53 with the 3L I6 M54 engine in it (Broken CCV), a 1996 W202 Mercedes C180 (broken windshield and leaking) as well as a 2012 Skoda Octavia 1.6tdi 4x4 (Failed gearbox). The fourth one I mentioned a couple weeks ago, a 1991 Toyota Carina 2, which had a water leak in the trunk area. These are cars most people don't really care about until they're gone and forgotten, so I'm doing my best to keep as many of them on the road still.
My main project as of right now however is a 1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT with the 3L twin turbo engine. Can't wait to reassemble and drive that once the snow has melted here next spring
😃
Kudos! You are truly doing "gods work". Cheers!
@@phillipevans9414 Thank you! I also fix other people's cars for next to nothing as long as they're willing to keep it and not trade it in for an EV. Here in Norway the EV push is quite overwhelming...
Hi Geoff.
I've been in the motor trade since 1982 first working on Metros triumph stags TR7 etc progressing through to BMW where I started with the new mini in 2002.
I left the dealer network in2021 knowing that we were running into a cul da sac of no return.
I now run my own independent mini specialist.
The big question is by 2027 the economy will start to nose dive due to the lack of mobility. Tax system and town + city centres will become no go areas for a lot of motorists the local authorities will try reverse the previous decisions,but has will all know once you stop doing something you never go back.
Keeping a old car on the road can work in practice BUT you need to be prepared for large repair bills, also pick a vehicle with
a good after sales suppliers most older vehicles manufacturers stop producing after 10 yrs .
As someone who was in construction for 15 years i would not buy a new build, or a new car.
Couldn’t agree more. I’m a retired 71 year old carpenter, who’s worked on new house projects all my life. The standards of construction and materials today are based on one thing only. The cheapest cost, then sold at the maximum possible price on longer and more expensive mortgages. Working class people get ripped off so that developers and financiers can accumulate more wealth.
Free road tax for cars over 10 years old let's encourage sustainable motoring
Great comment and I tottaly agree !!! but it is not going to happen because the government would loose millions .
@@stevie007 They don't want us to drive, they hate us.
They will double the road tax on them
Go 40 years old and they are tax and mot exempt.
I'm sure they'll make that a 'thought crime' and lock you up ;)
I have a 92 defender , it was my father's and mine now for ten years . I service and do all required work myself . This is going to be my last vehicle no matter what these goons in power say . Old is gold .
Great machine I'd say
Im a Landcruiser owner who absolutely love the good old Defenders. Easy to mod and maintain like the LC. Well done sir 👍
All the best to you.
Spot on. I have a 1990 Defender Tdi, owned it nearly 20 years, used almost daily, nearly 200k miles, I regularly service it. Fitted galvanised chassis 8 years ago. It’s a definite keeper. Also in a crisis can run on heating oil……
I've got a. 93 Defender, easy to fix, resonably priced service parts and little to no depreciation. No radio, no electronics just simple engineering.
You hit the nail on the head! Yes, they made cars too good and realized that it was bad for business! They see what the tech industry does and make things to stop working so they can sell the same thing again and again.
Here in Ireland, the insurance companies are now loading drivers of older cars with higher premiums purely because the cars are beyond a particular age, regardless of the mileage, driver’s history etc. My mother, a 79 year old who drives about 3,000kms a year in her 2006 Clio that she bought new (which now has just 58,000kms on it) and that I service regularly for her has seen her insurance go up by 50% in two years just because her car is “old”. She is claims free, drives very very carefully etc but her premium is going up and up because insurance companies don’t like old cars. Like the UK, the price of new cars here has gone mental with even small cars costing over thirty grand. EV sales have collapsed here and they’re down 26% in the past 12 months while petrol and diesel car sales have increased. And yet, the push to electrify is non stop despite the fact people don’t want EVs.
My local small independent car mechanic said honestly I have never ever made so much money with folk trying to hang on to their trusted steed welding engine repairs tyres batt's etc etc So So happy for him having owned a shop myself I know how hard it can be so good on ye fella hope you make a million !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I used to own a garage in Droitwich over 40 years ago and there was saying, "How do you make a million pounds in the Motor Trade? Answer.....Start with 2 million."
My wee car is 2013 and only has 22,000 miles on the clock - its fantastic and i love it and i will never trade it in or sell it. I will be driving that car until it physically doesnt drive any more. The body work is immaculate, looks brand new.
Just watch out for underneath, get it Lanogaurded.
@@jameskrell4392 i dont know what that means lol but i will certainly look into it.
@@Princess2112-e5d means get it protected underneath as that is what goes first. lanoguard protects the underneath but it needs doing every few years. Its not cheap tho.
Protect underneath with owatrol cip, and a cover coating, as nothing else works..it just makes it worse, tried and tested, i used to run a boating company and have tried it all.
It's end might not be as far away as you think and forget the underbody rust. It's will be coolent and oil leaks and electric assisted items and modules. And filters and sensors.
I drive around 20k miles a year in my 1988 Volvo 740, works fine, easy to fix but little goes wrong. In Australia we don't have salt on the roads so little rust problems.
Yep. rust is the killer here in the UK.
Superior car red block high carbon steel engine block galvanised the estate is the best family car ever
@@davecullen5986740 estate is a great car.
In uk seems like the authorities spread salt to destroy the cars and roads and then to draw money from the budget for repairs
In most of Canada the long winters of icy roads and salting and brine spraying are brutal on cars. We get cars oil sprayed but they still rust badly. Southern used cars are more valuable.
My 2014 bmw 1 series 120D has done 180k miles service twice a year never failed any MOTs excellent car
We have a battered 1.9tdi octavia with 140k on the clock, and an E38 with 162k on the clock. They ain't going anywhere...
That Octavia with the PD is just about run in! 😂
What’s going on in the car industry ?.
Exactly what many people said when the rush to force us into EV’s in the name of Net Zero was pushed by idiot MP’s.
I’m keeping my VW Golf diesel estate as long as possible. It’s due a service and it will be done this week.
You can shove your EV’s, smart meters and heat pumps where the sun don’t shine.
Mp are owned by wef.
Ideological government meddling for the last 20 years. Bureaucrats stay in work by creating new regulations that never expire. Who asked for lane assist ? Who asked for endless speed limit warnings ? Who asked for constant nannying ? It's endless and it will be endless until no-one wants to leave the house. I'll be honest I'm virtually there now.
For many this will be their future. It's quite sad.
I will not be buying a car with all those driver control measures on I control the car not the other way round
That's the plan 15 minute slave cities
Yep lane assist, AEB and speed limiters and constant beeping and touch screen climate control are why I won't get a newer car of any description, electronic handbrakes and automatic gearboxes are of no interest either. There isn't a single company producing a car I would actually want to buy right now.
That's the plan ,you never leave your pod
I recently picked up a V70 2009 D5 with 81k on the clock, I plan on running it forever. 0 range anxiety and can fill up in 3 minutes anywhere in the country.
Niiice👍
I have a 1997 Mazda mx5 and a 2017 Mazda2. Both extremely reliable and fun cars and I don’t need anything more or less.
I caved in and got rid of my 2007 S60 and got a vauxhall mokka Ev. Every night, i cry myself to sleep. We need a support system.😅
Scrap the Net Zero lie and build more petrol and diesel car that we want
Far too sensible mate . It’ll never happen
Vote Reform
Trump has been talking about this. No more electric cars.
Exactly.. the government is supposed to serve us, and we clearly don't want electric cars.
@@69spook Reform are controlled opposition.
I often play the car game whilst on my travels during my working day. And the game is counting how many cars are over 8 to 10 years old now, and it's surprising. You just don't see many brand new cars. And its a growing age of the current car market. Great video Geoff (I belong to the growing number of car owners that won't buy a new car, ever)
It does frustrate how common a 15-year-old car is today when back then a 15-year-old car was rare as hell. Thank you Alistair Darling.
I have a 63 plate insignia elite which I may need to scrap due to a lack of an affordable headlight! Its madness.
@@benallen4979 a 63 plate car is considered a brand new car in my world, its shocking.
@@benallen4979 I had to let my 12 plate Fiesta go last year after a poor water pump repair did irreversible damage. It had only done 53K.
@@benallen4979 goo to Vauxhall forum, you may get some useful advice there. My mum had a similar, I suspect, problem with hers !
I drive a Classic Mini Cooper Sport, 24yrs old, 78 thousand miles on the clock. Don't want a new car, hate them 💚🇬🇧.
The average new car cost is over £40k now, so the choice has been made for us LOL
Respect ❤
Great channel jeff , reading these comments it’s either positive or depressing mate 😕
Love Mr Hardcock. And the video filmed in one take. My owner has 22 year old Honda that's done over 200,000 miles and I go on holiday sitting next to my Gran in the back... Woof!
I was in a bad habit of the whole PCP thing and had multiple new cars every few years.
Picked up my 1996 Mercedes E320 C124 in Feb this year and have never been happier with a car. No BS, just a solid built car with a lovely engine.
My neighbour had one for must have been 25 years with the 3.0 litre diesel engine as he was always towing stuff with it.
Totally with you. I live in London and after 6 years and 120K miles, just put my old 1998 C250TD esprit estate for scrappage for the two grand on offer. One month later and I have scrappers remorse. Driving a C-Max (2007) and it a great useful car but the Mercedes was such a trooper, I did 120 miles a day in it travelling around the South East, and it soaked up the miles with ease. It was rusty, bits falling of, only 35mpg but I loved it. Final mileage 240K.
@@ibrstellar1080 The old diesels are solid. Quite fancy a diesel W123 too alongside this.
@@markfrancis5164 Shame it had to go to scrap.
Mine had 63k on the clock when I bought it and has just over 70k now. Always wanted one so I picked out the best one I could find. Has zero rust and looks immaculate inside and out.
Just need to make sure I look after it as much as the previous owners! 😄
Congratulations….PCP is just big financial cleverly profiteering on people’s desire to keep up appearances with their neighbours….life becomes a little easier once you get over the consumerism bug, and start appreciating driving and appreciating an older model car.
I always had new German cars, not any more as too many reliability issues. I have been happily driving the bomb proof reliability of a 2011 Toyota 4WD.
A sad end for vauxhall in Luton, up until very recently 4 out of 5 cars on the road here were vauxhalls, it was almost compulsory to have a corsa B or C when you passed your test. This was on the cards already since they closed the main plant 22 years ago and when stellantis took over it was basically over, ive probably seen about 10 new shape astras since they came out, before you'd see the new shapes everywhere within months, just goes to show no one has the money or desire to buy these grossly inflated cars. Ive still got a mk2 astra from 1990, a proper car that used to be ten a penny. Its really sad whats happening to cars, the manufacturing industry and the UK in general .i wish the vauxhall workers good luck, hopefully they dont end up in Amazon or lidl warehouse cos there's not much left in the town
thanks to net zero madness and climate change hysteria
Could never see the great appeal or point of heated seats, until I sat on one earlier today when I had been working outside in the cold for a few hours, I totally get it now :)
In Royal Tunbridge Wells, Kent I swear 1/10 cars are Mazda MX-5 mk2’s. Literally everyone who is in their 20’s including myself has one.
They just don’t go wrong, it’s the pinnacle of robust engineering and everyone has the knowledge to help each other when things do occasionally go wrong. There isn’t a single thing which costs more than £250 to replace and our local part worn tire shop has heaps of 195/50/15s at £20 a pop. Mazda mx5s are truly liberating to own.
we’re like a real community unlike the EV and finance car people who don’t bond with others over cars and treat them like fast fashion actively ensuring the environment is worse off in the long run.
I am selling any car I have newer than 2020. Daily driver will be a 1970 VG Valiant with no emission controls. Simple and easy to fix. Drives beautifully. I am restoring two 1977 Valiant CL Chargers, Engines are petrol, carburettors, 5.3 litre and 4.3 litre. 😊 The government has ruined new cars with all the unreliable technology. I just don't want them. 😊
Nice! Good to see someone showing some love to the Valiants. Well done! Cheers!
On the radio today I heard a representative of the EV industry saying we were falling behind Europe through lack of investment Europe were meeting EV targets people were buying EVs , apparently. I thought this is complete BS.
You’re right. It’s not true. I frequently visit Nice and though there’s a lot of money there, most people are regular people who don’t have huge bank balances.
They’re definitely not buying EVs.
That will be why Volkswagen is making huge layoffs in Germany nobody wants their ID crap or cars that cost over £30k and have the cheek to come with wheel trims.
Yep, if you think the charging network is poor in the UK, try charging driving through Europe. It's a farce.
I just spent a few hundred pounds having a new rear axle fitted to me old Xsara picasso. I felt like I had over spent on it. My mate has a four year old Peugeot 3008. He’s had to have a new timing chain kit fitted at a cost of £2,500 then it came up with ad blue fault and the car had a 600 mile range before the engine shuts down. That’s cost nearly another £1,000 in repairs. This is on a four year old 60,000 mile car. Shocking. I’m keeping my old cars that are generally reliable and easy to repair.
Love it 😂 the local garage tell me horror stories everytime i take my 24 year old car for MOT, the money spent on newer cars is insane
Yes, I would not touch anything that needs AdBlue.
@@Phiyedough First signs if trouble, Delete!
one of the best cars i ever owned in terms of reliability was a 2004 Mondeo. Boring as hell, but really practical, well equipped, economical and could be run on a shoestring. It was 10 years old when i had it and i did about 100k fault free miles. it sailed through every MOT and the only thing other than consumables that i had to spend was a rear drop link, £15 and an hour on my driveway. So sad when I foolishly sold itvand bought an M3 which was a stylish p.o.s.
@@SimonLloydGuitar our two other cars are an 09 focus estate 1.6 petrol and a 55 plate fiesta 1.4. Both with the old Duratec engines. 100% reliable.
Back in the 80s we had cars that were good mechanically but bodywork was poor and rotted badly now we have cars with bodywork that doesn't rot but have powertrains that are less than good
Yeah, bodys were done at the 10 year mark for the most part. I think some gov regulation came in, about 2000 I think, must have been galvanising.
HaHa. Very good point. A lot of these new engines are friggin' junk
We have exact same issues in NZ now also
The problem is with old cars it was not that big a job to just get an engine out of a rusted car and with a bit of work make it fit your rust free car but today computers rule putting the engine in is not the problem getting it to talk to the car is.
@weaton25 hi
Yes I quite agree
If you happen to live in a place where rust is not a thing, you have the best of both worlds!
My car is an 06 Astra, had it 7 years with no problems. Happy days
In the last week I've changed a 71 reg car which I bought new and as 9k on the clock to a 63 reg with 61k on it. With the increase in new car prices I have been offered only £1200 less than it cost me 3 years ago. Makes no sense to keep it.
The 63 reg is zero road tax, that saves £200 p.a. and ulez compliant and comes without the likes of tpms. Went for first long drive in it today and had a smile on my face which as not happened while driving for years. It cost me just a little more than I have lost on the newer car.
Enjoying your channel, keep up the good work.
Your conclusion is spot on!
My 2002 low mileage little micra cost me well under a grand and gets a solid 45mpg no matter how I drive.
No screens or any sensors. Just a solid reliable car.
I have a 20 year old Honda Civic...had it for 9 years !
Just keep it serviced properly it will go on for plenty more years 😊
@@PeterOgden-h1k ye until it will be near impossible to get spare parts like suspension bushes central locking motors etc
@@PeterOgden-h1k Thanks...its on 154.000 miles yet just keeps going
I have a 9 year old Renault.....had it for 20 years.
Yeah, everything been replaced.
Civic great car 👍
I’m rockin a ‘63 Morris minor. Costs F all to run, can repair myself, and if I break down (happened once in 3 years) I tend to be able to fix it at the side of the road. I drive it 50 miles a day, 5 days a week. Best of British motoring and can drive around Buckingham palace all day and not pay ulez 😂
That’s the way forward because the shite built now is a load of BS.
bought my 2008 1.8 diesel mondeo in 2011. Loan paid off in 2014. Zero payments since. Now got 304000km (190k miles) on the clock. Going like a train. Checked the milage during the summer on a 300km trip, got 63mpg!!!!!! Blessed to have an east Europen mechanic (his garage opposite my work) that actually fixes things rather than replacing with new. He's more reluctant to spend anything on it than me. Probably spent less than €3000 on it since I got it (timing chain & brakes being the two big ones). Almost free motoring. Big strong comfortable car. Can take 5 adults no problem. Government will have to prise it from me with a crowbar. Guy in work today delighted with the great deal he got on his wife's car. Changing up from 3 year old Hyundai hybrid (big yoke) to some VW R line. Only €600/month! Over €21,000 for next three years! Is the world gone mad? As my mother used to say "I hope it always stays as good for them"
My 2009 Octavia with 63,000 miles will do for me, unless Labour price me out here in sunny Manchester….
You liar, Manchester and sunny in the same sentence!!!!! 😮
@@christopherward9230 🤣🤣😂😂
Get your eyes checked, it must be cataracts 😂
Got a 10 plate Skoda superb with 196k on it and had to buy another service book as it’s full. Still love it . Great channel
Not to mention all the new cars are coming with subscriptions, and you have to download the apps to use your car effectively like using high beams or playing music. Older vehicle means none of that crap.
I miss cd players in cars.
@@Fubar1462 I've got a CD player in my 2004 Honda Accord and miss radio/cassette players!
@@40nylet’s hear it for eight track!
@@GT380manI miss the record turntable that was in my '55 Oldsmobile Rocket.😉
And no spying either. It used to be a given that a car was the perfect place to have a private conversation. With modern cars with inbuilt microphones and cameras that phone home that is no longer the case
New subscriber because you've told it how it is. Deliberately destroying our ability to move around freely.
I'm glad you made this video, it reminds me of my transformation from a nobody to good home, $80k bi weekly and a good daughter full of of love
Hello!! how do you make such bi-weekly , sometimes I feel so down of myself because of low finance but I still believe God
This is what Daisy Clara does, she has changed my life.
Wow! I know Daisy Clara, and I have also had success...
Absolutely! I have heard stories of people who started with little or no knowledge but managed to emerge victorious thanks to Daisy Clara.
Please what’s her contact information?
Thats the biggest problem with the general publics perception on car values. When a car needs more money spending on it keeping it running than what its worth. They get rid. My 2003 Focus ST170 is currently going though about £500-600 worth of work to get it through a MOT for another 12 months. Its only worth £1000 on a good day. But £600 is 1 months finance on a brand new car. Even a 5 year old car. £600 is only 2-3 months payment. And that to me makes no financial sense. Yes any car post 2014 is nice and quiet at 70mph. But its so disconnected from the road they are absolutely both dangerous and boring.
Car prices take the piss now. In 2020 I bought a 3 year (2017 plate) old BMW 5 series for 12.5k. If i now want a 3 year old 5 series estate they cost 30k. Cars have got so expensive people cant buy cars of the same age in the same price range. They need to buy 5 year old cars now and not 3 year old.
Supply and demand. They made less of the ICE cars and more EVs thinking they would sell.
The wise thing to do is to avoid cars made in the last ten or fifteen years altogether.
Yes, I bought my 2008 Chevrolet Spark in 2012 for about 3k. If I look at what you can buy for 3K now it is cars about the same age as the one I have!
Yep, I sold a 2017 in 2020. 2024 their the same price! As what I sold mine for.
@@ComeJesusChristI bought a 2004 Porsche 911, partly to remove cash from thieving bankers and partly because it’s fun. It’s perfect, no rust on or under body, full PSH & the only true modern electronics are my retrofitted stereo / sat nav/ music player, which I mostly use in offline mode (Bluetooth, or wired accessory). Almost the last properly made old school analogue car.
Geoff, you are spot on. No cars, No travel and being poisoned at the same time from above. Old cars rule. Have you seen how fuel prices are creeping up again. I have a 2004 Focus brilliant ha ha ha lol....
Lots of good points. When you say people used to look for 5 year old cars but now look for 10 year old cars it's not the age but their budget. Lots of us like to spend £4-7k on a car. Some years ago that would get you a 5 year old model, now that budget buys 10 year old model.
Your point on repair bills is why people are avoiding new cars. My 2016 Peugeot diesel I abandoned because I got tired of big bills for AdBlue injectors, DPF issues and huge alternator cost due to stop start technology. Last two years been driving a petrol 2011 Honda Jazz and my wallet thanking me.
Hi Geoff,
You could not make this stuff up. You had me in tears laughing so hard at Nothard & Cox & co.
I'm glad I own a 500cc motor bike for w'end rides, a 100 cc scooter for commuting and a 12 yr old Audi for holiday trips.
Great videos.
There are many factors that cripples the car industry.
Many of the environmental regulations cripples engines. Extremely expensive new car models, especially for EVs. Expensive repairs. Value depreciation. High inflation. Higher interest rates. Uncertainty of coming stricter regulations.
China
My 2003 E60 545i manual is a really decent honest car. Not fully loaded but reasonably economical, tax aside, and at 160k miles still going strong. I think I'll really miss it when I finally part with it
Beautiful car - many more miles to you 🥂
Keeping my 2005 Fiesta. Just got another 12 months on MOT. Probably cost me £500 but that apart from petrol is going to be my expenditure for the year.
i have the same car 2007 great car the duretec engine is a peach no plans to replace it
Geoff there is also a rumour going around that all ev's are going to be banned from going on ferries,
Great utube video again, keep the good work up, 👍👍👍 ,
In the US some cars are seeing electronic modules become unavailable. This is a way to clear out older 2000+ cars off the road.
I'm NOT Elon Musk - I don't want expensive space age technology in my car. I want it affordable, tried & tested, robust, & easy to fix. If you're not offering me that then I'm NOT buying from you.
American here. Elon knew he could sell his cars to zealot liberals and make money. He's said they aren't for everyone and shouldn't be legislated in.
Elon is a business man and now a conservative.
yep, that also, too much reliance on 'high tech' ... tech can and does fail, sometimes disastrously , google 'therac25'....
I agree, problem is that governments are making cars fit stupid things like lane assist and brake assist.
Who's going to tell this guy that's what EVERY car brand does now, not just Elon? 🤭😅😂
@BackroomsBoi dose?
Time to get WEFminster out of Westminster!!!!
1990 golf cabriolet 1.8 gti still going strong !!!
You need to get VW out of the wef.
@kevinjones3900 or is it the wef out of vw ? 🤣
Starmer says he prefers davos to westminster
I have 2 cars. 21 years old & 17 years old. Few gadgets. Great to drive.
They'll just soon pass laws that will force you to exchange your cars for new, expensive junk.
You are right about the hybrids not being better on gas. I bought my kids a 2005 Malibu that gets 7.8l /100k. My in-laws Infiniti hybrid got 7.4. Not enough of a difference to justify the extra cost of premium fuel and maintenance. When it was 9 years old, but still low mileage and looking good, I told him to check on the battery replacement. That battery was discontinued. In order to replace it the car would have to be shipped from Calgary to Vancouver to a company that makes custom battery packs, at a cost of at least 20 grand. He traded it in right away for a gas car. I pity the person that bought it! Here I live the average cost of a new vehicle has gone from 32 grand to 71 since before Covid. 5 years.
Have a 2007 SAAB 9-5 wagon. Keeps on rolling and currently on 156K. Best car I have owned comfortable and cheap to fix. Next to no gizmos and looks great too....
I remember us being at this age point during the demise of the British motorcycle industry. Triumph remained as the last UK manufacturer (in its original form) but all too soon government support was withdrawn and the Meriden Cooperative that built them closed (it has since re-emerged under John Bloor, but is not the original company). The Government sat by and watched the failure. Clearly to avoid such a decline for British assembled cars the Government needs to act now, but I feel sure they will not and the UK motor manufacturing industry will vanish altogether. This leads me on to one burning question - if we end up driving Chinese built EVs, who gets to put the carbon footprint of their manufacturing and shipping on their emissions statistics? Will it be the UK or China? Currently it is China. Is this all part of the Net Zero plan?........
As Geoff said, it's all bollo*ks!!
Who gives a toss about a nebulous figure... the driver of a Chinese EV can be confident that within two years the planet will be better off from them ditching an ICE and pedestrians at the school drop off will be thankful of the reduction in air pollution and noise.
china is buying old car factories Europe Brazil and soon GB. this is to get round tariffs. Nissan Sunderland is struggling. I read it has 18 months before the parent company goes into bankruptcy . if so wonder who will step in
Looks like I'll be sticking to my 2011saab 9-3 ttid estate 😊
There was a saying that I saw the other day which went something like "We are not going to change the temperature of the planet by giving our government more of our money" 😉
I have a 1999 Toyota yaris auto with 52k miles does upto 50mpg, great for running round town....
I like Yaris’s. Got a 2003 1.0 MMT auto and a 2008 1.8SR. Great cars. 1.8 a tad thirsty but I believe it needs 6 speeds. Not 5.
@timhicks2154 this is a 1.3 cdx 4speed auto with overdrive
Aussie here, I remember it wasn’t all that long ago you could get something like a Hyundai Getz for as low as $13,990 drive away. Now the cheapest car on sale here is the rubbish MG3, which is just on $20k. Not to mention as you probably know, we lost our local car industry. Apparently people weren’t buying local cars, or so they say, but the Holden Commodore and Toyota Camry were in the top 10 right up to the very end. Ny cutoff is 2017, when we lost local manufacturing, not long after that I mostly lost interest in new cars, with everything becoming an SUV, 4x4 Ute or Chinese POS. In 2016 Ford discontinued the Falcon, and have more or less replaced it with the Everest, Ranger and Mustang, all of which are more expensive. 10 years ago $60 - $70k would get you into a nice Calais or Falcon G6E with all the toys, good luck finding anything else on the market these days that gives you the same bang for buck. I’m personally in the process of putting the finishing touches on my 2001 Holden VX Berlina, which when I get back on the road next year, I expect to get another 20 years out of. A bit like your Volvos, as far as I’m concerned the only real replacement for a Commodore or Falcon is another Commodore or Falcon.
The lesson from Australia is that the Oz government gifted over $2B to Ford who closed down anyway! Now we have EVs designed by top Euro designers built by robots with best battery tech in the world.
@ Shame they’re so expensive. Oh and that we have a third world power grid that struggles to keep the lights on in Summer, let alone charge EVs
@@davidshepherd265 Uk uses less energy now that a decade ago. Your "let alone charge EVs" comment implies you consider evs are a significant drain on a household or a grid? This is not the case as evs are mostly charged overnight at average rate of 7kw which is well within a home supply capacity and rather helpful to keep the off-peak base load generation humming which stabilises the grid. This is so advantageous that power companies discount the tariff! EV charging also diverts cash from oil companies to local grid suppliers. Coming soon is bidirectional charging.
@@mickjoebills Our power grid at the moment is flat out running buildings, especially in Summer. We recently had a heatwave in Sydney and got told by the government to watch our AC use and use of other power hungry appliances due to brownouts. Same thing happened at the start of the year. And just today there was a blackout in the Sydney CBD due to a flooded underground substation. I actually don’t hate EVs believe it or not, I think they have a lot of advantages, but at the moment if every man and his dog went out and replaced their ICE with EVs the power grid would collapse under the strain
@@davidshepherd265this is simply FUD because every man and his dog would not be charging during peak petiods. EVs get charged overnight when owners are having a snooze and at a time when grid is so under utilised the tariff has a 70% discount applied! Further to this, bidirectional charging introduces the prospect of hundreds of thousands of batteries supporting households or feeding the grid.
Very sad to hear of the Luton plant as I have a 1st cousin who started in Vauxhall at 14 sweeping the lines and retired approx 10 yrs ago aged 64. All that time in Vauxhall.
Weve been saying that NET Zero was nonsense and that putting targets on manufacturers for EV's will back fire.
Its going to cripple the auto industry and main stream media are only just saying how things are getting bad.
Who wants to pay £30k for a car that will only go 150miles and that is worthless within 10 years?
My corsa cost me £7000 in 2011 using the scrappage allowance and with company discount.
Im still driving it today. Its probably worth £2k at max so Ive only lost £5k in 13years.
I cant afford to buy a milkfloat and wont be
NetZero was designed to destroy the whole economy
Even the ICE cars are crap crossover SUV junk with shit drivetrains and big markups. The bubble is bursting as I predicted it would with these targets, I thought it would when fuel nearly hit £2 a litre I thought people would go back into normal fuel efficent cars but they didn't and manufactures aren't making affordable cars. You walk into a Ford dealership and the cheapest car is an entry level Puma for £26500. Anything decent is over £30k who has all this money lying around? My Toyota Auris will be with me for a long time. I'm not paying more for crap I don't even like.
Comparing an old banger with any new vehicle is apples and oranges. In respect to running costs you point out lowish capital cost but do not detail the running costs, fuel and maintenance. I would respectfully add that you comment that batteries are worthless in ten years is unfounded and even today a further report from a motoring organisation whose data points to greater reliability.
the car dealers need to take the gov to court! and ask them to prove the climate is in an emergency! £15k per car is madness
Sir David Attenborough certainly thinks it’s an emergency. And I trust him over anyone else on the matter tbh.
@@KeepingWatchUKanother wef puppet
The car dealers signed up for it .
I have 3 cars. Youngest is 7 years old. It's a Mazda 6 petrol estate and cost £17500 new. It won't be getting replaced any time soon - maybe when it's 20? My oldest if 43 years old and still works perfectly
I'm 61 and I am working well too.
15 year old convertible astra and a 10 year old passat tdi. Both work fine.
Cant beat a Passat, I owned a B6 it went on forever no issues, wife now has a B8 passat estate so far zero problems now 8 years old and 100k+ on it. @mrg-ghx8052
If it’s the 2.0L petrol then it will outlive you! The 2.2 diesels on the other hand…
@@johnnyalanbailey I went for the 2.0 petrol for exactly this reason
All manufacturers should start heavily supporting older cars perhaps from the year 2000 where many have technology for fuel efficiency etc etc in this way the manufacturers will increase sales of parts etc. I know some manufacturers now have “classic” divisions and gradually increase spare parts availability. When one considers veteran vehicles can still be kept running it makes one realise maintaining certain vehicles is better than scraping and purchasing a new vehicle filled with gizmos where parts will become unavailable within 10years.
Brilliant Geoff!!. Brilliant...interesting video, and wonderful scenery 😊 ❤
A welcomed brief check with reality.
Thanks again Geoff.
I bought a 2008 Lexus IS250 earlier this year to replace my 2003 Honda Accord, which is proper noisy on long drives. Was going to sell the Honda but decided to SORN and hold on to it for now, as the used car market will inevitably be hit by what's happening in the industry.
I drive a 16 year old diesel car with 330,000km on it and a 40 year old carburreted motorbike, both are infinitely more reliable than anything produced after about 2016. If I had the money I would go even farther back and get an old Volvo 240
I have a 13 year old Honda Jazz. I bought it from the local dealer 5 years ago. It’s very reliable. A few weeks ago, they called me up and after asking if I was thinking about upgrading my vehicle and offered me 1000k more than the online valuation. I told them that I am happy with my vehicle. And, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. When I told my son. He thinks it’s because they are short of computer bits!
Coming out of a PCP deal next year and looking for a tidy used car to buy outright. Yearly servicing, and replacement parts as required - sorted! Monthly outgoings are currently far too high, so they can have the car back.
I drive a 22 year old Suzuki Grand Vitara 4x4 1.6 with 67,000 on the clock. It cost me £2700 eleven years ago and on a good day I could still get the same for it. It just sailed through the MOT, with a small service at the same time which cost £175.00. I have replaced the CD player/radio with a double DIN Android box, so I have the mod cons, Sat Nav, Dab Radio, MP3, Cameras, OBD and lots more if I wanted it.
Sensible car!!
I have a 14 year old Dacia Logan which I love (including the cd player) and shall drive until it falls apart! My husband's friend bought a new Peugeot this year and it has already had engine problems .
The mot will finish your car off before you do.. Every year it becomes more stringent. They will do a final push soon the get all no engined cars off the road like a engine scrappage scheme.. Sound familiar?
I have thought for a long time that we should be encouraging manufacturers to switch their model from manufacturing new to re-manufacturing what they have already made. That could be with an existing owner taking their 20 year old car back to the manufacturer and they restor and potentially update some parts of it. Additionally manufacturers should be standarising as much as possible components that go into cars.
Personally we as a family own the following: 2024 Toyota CHR, 2006 Ford Mondeo ST220 estate, 1989 VW T3 Caravelle GL Auto, 1974 VW Baywindow (T2b) Westfalia camper. The only one of those I will sell in the next few years is the Toyota, which for me is the most horrible car I've ever owned (my wife's car really).
I would LOVE that!
And start re-making OEM quality parts for their older "obsolete" models
Brilliant idea. Somehow it will be declared illegal, anti-social, racist.
Swap the Toyota for an older one or Lexus. Never liked the 1st gen CHR and the 2nd gen looks even more hideous.
I have 1999 v70 diesel for 10 years. Saves me a lot of money :) comfy to drive too.
i think lack parts was a planning thing too, it not surprise me how crazy things getting
Sticking with my 2011 diesel ford focus. Have it serviced every year. Sailed through MOT last week with no advisories. Just had new glow plugs & 2 injectors re sealed. Drives well, happy with it
Mines 24 years old, leather etc etc still tows even a picnic table in the boot floor. Luv it. I'm just hoping the bs don't tax me off the road Geoff
Geoff, I drive an old Ford Fusion 1.6 petrol (Fiesta based) which I bought for £2000 two years ago with very low mileage, Autotrader has loads of these, it is great, does everything I need, I would buy another if I needed one.
Good cars those!
I bought a Volvo 850 for £450 about 10 years ago, it had 164k miles, then after 4 years I sold it for scrap when it had 208k miles. The steering rack was leaking and the hand brake was broken, it also used to jump out of first and second gear, it was 20 years old at the time, got 150 for it.