Comment #10 - WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!! Unless you're a vegetarian of course! :) Hey, you won the modified "Sooprinse" Foam Cannon.....Thank you so much for watching and commenting and subscribing! Sounds like you use rinse-less washes also! Have you ever run into any problems with this method? BTW - PM me on instagram and we can talk about how to get the foam cannon over to you!! Congrats!
@@talkingwithcars Yes, during the winter, I use rinseless once a week here in the Midwest. I don't do Instagram, so you are welcome to try another viewer? Merry Christmas!
Hi Rob! Thanks for including my CLEAN By Pan Rinse-Less Wash in this video. As you know, in my lineup, we have both a shampoo and a rinse-less wash. I myself am more of a shampoo type person, as in my 27 years of detailing that's what I was used to. But as you know, rinseless washes have been gaining in popularity in the past years, and some people simply don't have access to a pressure washer or garden hose to clean their cars, so using a rinseless wash is a much safer option compared to a waterless wash. That being said, there are still a few considerations to take into account when doing a rinseless wash method, and here are a few tips that can help you or anyone thinking of using that method: 1) A rinseless wash method doesn't mean you never rinse. It just means that no rinsing is needed at the end of the wash process. If the vehicle is super dirty and caked in a thick layer of dirt or mud, you would absolutely have to pre-rinse the vehicle first, to knock off the loose dirt and debris. The same common sense applies to the traditional soap wash method: you wouldn't put a microfiber wash mitt and start washing a car that's caked in mud and dirt. You'd pre-foam or pre-rinse first, and then do the contact wash. 2) Just like a pH neutral shampoo has its limitations and can't always remove all the types of dirt, a pH neutral rinseless wash also has the same limitations. So while pH neutral cleaners are great for regular maintenance, over time, there is usually a layer of road film that accumulates, that oily substance that pH neutral cleaners just can't fully remove. That's obvious when you are washing your car and notice that even after the wash, the water isn't beading especially in the lower parts of the vehicle. That can be one of two situations typically: road film accumulation, which requires an alkaline soap, or mineral deposit accumulation which requires an acidic soap. I will have a video soon on a winter wash, which shows exactly this. So keep in mind that we designed the CLEAN By Pan Rinse-Less Wash to be pH neutral. Great for regular cleaning. But every now and then, you'll see that mineral or film buildup that will require an alkaline and/or acidic wash. Companies like Labocosmetica have now released their own alkaline and acidic rinseless washes (called Preludio) and you can use those as a pre-treat at a 1:10 dilution on the surface, let it dwell, then do the contact with the rinseless solution on top, as per usual. 3) You can use microfiber wash mitts or towels as the wash media when using a rinseless wash method, but as odd as it seems, the appropriate rinseless wash sponges are a better option in that situation. And this comes from me, who likes the traditional soap method with a microfiber wash mitt hehe. The rinseless wash sponges are designed to remove pressure points (as they are thick sponges) and have cuts in them allowing the dirt to have a place to get into, and then be released in the bucket when dunking the sponge in the bucket. I highly encourage you to give it a try. A quality sponge like The House Of Rags premium rinseless sponge, the DIY Detail Legacy Sponge, The Rag Company Ultra Black Sponge, McKee's gold sponge, Optimum Big Red Sponge, etc. All good options. So for apartment/condo dwellers with no access to water to clean their cars, or for people living in areas with heavy water restrictions or water bans, or for people wanting to save water, a rinseless is a great and safe alternative to clean your car, as long as you use common sense when using the method.
@@PanTheOrganizer Comment #5- :) Thanks Pan!!! All great recommendations. Maybe I'll get my hands on the "Legacy sponge" and see what I think. I'm also intrigued with the Preludio product by Labocosmetica( I wrote that with an Italian accent ;) lmao) Thanks again Pan! I'll have a video of your Shampoo soon (weather permitting. ugh!) Hate this weather as I get older. Need to move to Hawaii!! Happy Holidays !
@@eddie3692 Yep...Hey Eddie! I'm going to order the one from Detail Co as it's a lighter color and I like that so I can see the soils being picked up. This would be a great first attempt at that type of wash media :)
Northeasterner here as well! The hate i have for our cold snowy winters is strong! I been doing rinseless for the past 3 winters now and I feel I have a great process. Go to self wash I pretreat with stjarnagloss forst then rinse off. It pulls the road salts and film off then I drive home in my. Garage where I do rinseless. At times I will bring my rinseless with me depending on weather but the self wash is so close to my house quick 5 min drive rather do it at home. Using 6 rags instead of the sponge works well and don't redunk the nasty rag back into the rinseless. Wheels is the same process. I do have 2 sponges for rinseless I use them as well at times. Diy detail along with onr and also p&s absolute all work well. I still have to order pans and try it out. I was never a rinseless guy but it works so well and is usually quicker than getting out the pressure washer ect. Thanks for the video!
Hey my friend! Yes...you seem to have the process figured out for sure!! ONR is definitely one of the OG rinseless washes...I had that last year but was so worried about using it. I used it like a waterless wash once and it did well. Order Pans for sure! It's a great product...I'd like to see what you think of the smell also. I think for my second attempt at this, I want to use an IK foamer with the rinseless wash as a pre-treat at a local touchless car wash and see how clean it gets it. See how much road film is left on the car and if the rinse-less broke it down enough. The next option is the use a touch-less type soap instead as a pre-treat and then run the car through a car wash. That will be one of my other winter videos for sure...I'll probably do a few different winter wash approaches. Like a series :) Thanks for watching and hope you subscribe and hit that bell for notifications! Thanks and Happy Holidays!
@talkingwithcars i have a few ik pump sprayers they are legit a great sprayer. I also have the gallon sprayers you can get at home depot personally I prefer those since they are cheap and a gallon so you can fill a gallon and dilute in there for pretreat. I tend to pretreat alot more in winter so using a smaller ik having to refill takes to much time. I do use the ik multi pro 2 for the forst it gives a ton of power to knock things off. I have their foam pro 2 and 2 of the 12 love them for wheel cleaning and one of my 12s I use like a foam cannon and fill up with my favorite soaps so instead of breaking out the foam cannon I have it fast and easy. I need to get a multi 9 or 12 that's next on my list. I know alot of people talk down on ik trigger sprayer cause it's expensive but they are so rigid I never had an issue and they are my favorite by far. Thanks again for the video I'll try and get a bottle ordered soon. I have so much rinseless I'm trying to use up before getting new one
@@mikereyes1769 I'll have the check out the Home Depot version....does it have a schrader valve? send me a link so I can check it out! Thanks! I was eyeing the pro 2 series. But the larger one makes perfect sense. Thanks again!
this one from Home Depot looks cool. I'm going to check out tractor supply also. www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Cordless-Battery-2-Gal-Chemical-Sprayer-with-Holster-and-Extra-Tank-Tool-Only-P28302BTL/312792646#overlay
@@talkingwithcarsI try to wait for a day it warms up to maybe at least 45 and snow foam and pressure wash off with deionized water, then let air dry. I’ll use Stars and Stripes by Chem-x so it’s closest soap I know to a “touch free”wash. Depending on the weather I’ve even hand washed in those temps and even lower. That can be brutal though. This year my approach will probably be Stars and Stripes and depending how much road film is on the vehicle, pull it into the garage and rinse-less wash for the contact wash. During Black Friday I bought a gallon of Hero so I’m excited to try that out. It helps to have a heater garage too! Doing the contact wash inside the garages ends up not being too bad.
@@pklemm1 I've used the Chem-X before and did a video on it....very impressed with them for sure! I hear so many good things about HERO!! I'd like to try that also.....let me know your thoughts when you do use it!! I'd like other people's feedback for sure. I wish I had a heated garage...or climate controlled. That would be awesome!! Someday :)
@@talkingwithcars two years ago I installed a Mr. Cool DIY Mini Split system. It’s actually relatively easy. I installed it right next to my electrical panel so it only cost me $400 for an electrician to add the circuit and run the wire to the shut off (which was only a foot away). I only use it for heat, never had to use it for AC. I have a home gym in the garage so that is the main purpose for it but all my stuff folds away so my vehicle can park in there when I’m done working out. The times I have rinse-less washed in the garage the mini split does a good with the humidity, which makes it easier to dry the vehicle.
Its different sponge technology then you were trying to get away from. The sponges you want to not use are the ones that are damaging to the paint. The ones designed now for rinse less is nothing like those. Its the most beneficial non damaging way to use a rinse less. They are designed with a special foam (nothing like what you were getting away from) they have special cuts in the foam. these act as relief points for pressure. it also is designed to collect particles of dirt in the cuts and fingers of the sponge taking them away from the paint so they can be released into the bucket with the solution that actually cleans the sponge when you dunk it into the bucket of water/rinse less solution. Trust me... Ive been doing this for 40 years and it was difficult for me to grab on to until i forced myself to do so then I realized the differences and how much better the wash was with the sponge. BTW I use a much larger pressurized container or one of the new battery operated sprayers that holds 2 to 3 gallons for my pre-spray container. The rinse less when using a hybrid like Pans, Or hero by ADS, Rinse less from DIY are all great hybrids having both surfactants and polymers. The surfactants are great at eating the dirt and pulling it up and then the polymers are great at encapsulating and running the dirt away from the vehicle. I can tell you Rinse less has been a game charger for my services as it speeds things up greatly. If the vehicle is really dirty I might do a citrus pre spray with pressure wash rinse or use the Labocosmetica alkaline and acidic pre rinses for rinse less washing then contact wash with the rinse less for contact wash. It takes time to get used to it if your old school and hard to change in your thoughts or ways much like I was. now im easily convinced rinse less is a much better way when you can.
@@ConwayLStevens yep! Agreed, I just have to get used to the technology. I ordered the Detail Co sponge and Labocosmetica Preludio Acidic prewash after Pan recommended it to me so that test will be coming soon! I'm anxious to try the sponge for sure. Just counterintuitive since I grew up with everyone telling me not to use a sponge. Need to call it something else I think. Thanks for the feedback and advice! I do appreciate it. We all learn from each other. Happy Holidays! Hope you subscribe. I have some good content coming
@talkingwithcars im going to be starting a second channel for all my car stuff and detailing. 40 year automotive tech that details. Appreciate the sub. Subbed you as well plus liked the video.
@@charlesbrasington7599 uh oh. Hey Charles. whooah. Did I miscount. uh oh ! Let me check again and maybe I miscounted. If so....you got it. Not dishonest at all just trying to manage this as best as I can. The "10th" person was ok for me giving this away to someone else so please be patient and let me see if I made a mistake. If I did, my bad.
Looks like you are 9th different person to post!! @hartlanddetailer5670 was #10...but he opted out on the foam cannon gift!! Kev was #7. Send me a message on instagram and I'll connect you with a snowfoam cannon.....I'll soon be giving another one away as I'm getting a special delivery from a manufacturer soon !! Congrats!!
Comment #3 :) - thanks man! I agree, good for sure. Not my favorite approach to cleaning but sometimes we don't have an option with weather. I'll try some others soon.... I used up almost half a bottle on that SUV! lmao
@@hartlanddetailer5670 Hello! I like the edgeless wash towels....for washing especially since the edges are proned to microscratches sometimes...especially with cheaper towels. The Kirklands are ok but I usually use them for wheels...not paint
Rinseless is the way to go in the Winter, and today, the 21st., is the 1st day!
Comment #10 - WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!! Unless you're a vegetarian of course! :) Hey, you won the modified "Sooprinse" Foam Cannon.....Thank you so much for watching and commenting and subscribing! Sounds like you use rinse-less washes also! Have you ever run into any problems with this method? BTW - PM me on instagram and we can talk about how to get the foam cannon over to you!! Congrats!
@@talkingwithcars Yes, during the winter, I use rinseless once a week here in the Midwest. I don't do Instagram, so you are welcome to try another viewer? Merry Christmas!
@ if you want, do you have an email address I can use? if not , I can move to next person as you noted. I don't want you to lose out :)
@@talkingwithcars I do have an email, but I do not want to give it out over UA-cam, you may pass it on to the next person? Merry Christmas...
@@hartlanddetailer5670 email me on my channel's email...I haven't used it in a while but use this : talkingwithcars@gmail.com
Hi Rob! Thanks for including my CLEAN By Pan Rinse-Less Wash in this video. As you know, in my lineup, we have both a shampoo and a rinse-less wash. I myself am more of a shampoo type person, as in my 27 years of detailing that's what I was used to. But as you know, rinseless washes have been gaining in popularity in the past years, and some people simply don't have access to a pressure washer or garden hose to clean their cars, so using a rinseless wash is a much safer option compared to a waterless wash.
That being said, there are still a few considerations to take into account when doing a rinseless wash method, and here are a few tips that can help you or anyone thinking of using that method:
1) A rinseless wash method doesn't mean you never rinse. It just means that no rinsing is needed at the end of the wash process.
If the vehicle is super dirty and caked in a thick layer of dirt or mud, you would absolutely have to pre-rinse the vehicle first, to knock off the loose dirt and debris. The same common sense applies to the traditional soap wash method: you wouldn't put a microfiber wash mitt and start washing a car that's caked in mud and dirt. You'd pre-foam or pre-rinse first, and then do the contact wash.
2) Just like a pH neutral shampoo has its limitations and can't always remove all the types of dirt, a pH neutral rinseless wash also has the same limitations. So while pH neutral cleaners are great for regular maintenance, over time, there is usually a layer of road film that accumulates, that oily substance that pH neutral cleaners just can't fully remove. That's obvious when you are washing your car and notice that even after the wash, the water isn't beading especially in the lower parts of the vehicle.
That can be one of two situations typically: road film accumulation, which requires an alkaline soap, or mineral deposit accumulation which requires an acidic soap. I will have a video soon on a winter wash, which shows exactly this.
So keep in mind that we designed the CLEAN By Pan Rinse-Less Wash to be pH neutral. Great for regular cleaning. But every now and then, you'll see that mineral or film buildup that will require an alkaline and/or acidic wash. Companies like Labocosmetica have now released their own alkaline and acidic rinseless washes (called Preludio) and you can use those as a pre-treat at a 1:10 dilution on the surface, let it dwell, then do the contact with the rinseless solution on top, as per usual.
3) You can use microfiber wash mitts or towels as the wash media when using a rinseless wash method, but as odd as it seems, the appropriate rinseless wash sponges are a better option in that situation. And this comes from me, who likes the traditional soap method with a microfiber wash mitt hehe. The rinseless wash sponges are designed to remove pressure points (as they are thick sponges) and have cuts in them allowing the dirt to have a place to get into, and then be released in the bucket when dunking the sponge in the bucket. I highly encourage you to give it a try. A quality sponge like The House Of Rags premium rinseless sponge, the DIY Detail Legacy Sponge, The Rag Company Ultra Black Sponge, McKee's gold sponge, Optimum Big Red Sponge, etc. All good options.
So for apartment/condo dwellers with no access to water to clean their cars, or for people living in areas with heavy water restrictions or water bans, or for people wanting to save water, a rinseless is a great and safe alternative to clean your car, as long as you use common sense when using the method.
@@PanTheOrganizer Comment #5- :) Thanks Pan!!! All great recommendations. Maybe I'll get my hands on the "Legacy sponge" and see what I think. I'm also intrigued with the Preludio product by Labocosmetica( I wrote that with an Italian accent ;) lmao) Thanks again Pan! I'll have a video of your Shampoo soon (weather permitting. ugh!) Hate this weather as I get older. Need to move to Hawaii!! Happy Holidays !
@@talkingwithcars Happy holidays to you and your family as well!!
@@talkingwithcars consider the Ultra Safe Sponge from The Rag Company.
@@eddie3692 Yep...Hey Eddie! I'm going to order the one from Detail Co as it's a lighter color and I like that so I can see the soils being picked up. This would be a great first attempt at that type of wash media :)
Northeasterner here as well! The hate i have for our cold snowy winters is strong! I been doing rinseless for the past 3 winters now and I feel I have a great process. Go to self wash I pretreat with stjarnagloss forst then rinse off. It pulls the road salts and film off then I drive home in my. Garage where I do rinseless. At times I will bring my rinseless with me depending on weather but the self wash is so close to my house quick 5 min drive rather do it at home. Using 6 rags instead of the sponge works well and don't redunk the nasty rag back into the rinseless. Wheels is the same process. I do have 2 sponges for rinseless I use them as well at times. Diy detail along with onr and also p&s absolute all work well. I still have to order pans and try it out. I was never a rinseless guy but it works so well and is usually quicker than getting out the pressure washer ect. Thanks for the video!
Hey my friend! Yes...you seem to have the process figured out for sure!! ONR is definitely one of the OG rinseless washes...I had that last year but was so worried about using it. I used it like a waterless wash once and it did well. Order Pans for sure! It's a great product...I'd like to see what you think of the smell also. I think for my second attempt at this, I want to use an IK foamer with the rinseless wash as a pre-treat at a local touchless car wash and see how clean it gets it. See how much road film is left on the car and if the rinse-less broke it down enough. The next option is the use a touch-less type soap instead as a pre-treat and then run the car through a car wash. That will be one of my other winter videos for sure...I'll probably do a few different winter wash approaches. Like a series :) Thanks for watching and hope you subscribe and hit that bell for notifications! Thanks and Happy Holidays!
@talkingwithcars i have a few ik pump sprayers they are legit a great sprayer. I also have the gallon sprayers you can get at home depot personally I prefer those since they are cheap and a gallon so you can fill a gallon and dilute in there for pretreat. I tend to pretreat alot more in winter so using a smaller ik having to refill takes to much time. I do use the ik multi pro 2 for the forst it gives a ton of power to knock things off. I have their foam pro 2 and 2 of the 12 love them for wheel cleaning and one of my 12s I use like a foam cannon and fill up with my favorite soaps so instead of breaking out the foam cannon I have it fast and easy. I need to get a multi 9 or 12 that's next on my list. I know alot of people talk down on ik trigger sprayer cause it's expensive but they are so rigid I never had an issue and they are my favorite by far. Thanks again for the video I'll try and get a bottle ordered soon. I have so much rinseless I'm trying to use up before getting new one
@@mikereyes1769 I'll have the check out the Home Depot version....does it have a schrader valve? send me a link so I can check it out! Thanks! I was eyeing the pro 2 series. But the larger one makes perfect sense. Thanks again!
this one from Home Depot looks cool. I'm going to check out tractor supply also. www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Cordless-Battery-2-Gal-Chemical-Sprayer-with-Holster-and-Extra-Tank-Tool-Only-P28302BTL/312792646#overlay
@talkingwithcars I drilled a hole for the valve let me find the link
I’m In the northeast too! Winters are tough.
Comment #9 - It's tough up here for sure!! I am starting to hate it for sure! What's your method of cleaning in the North East?
@@talkingwithcarsI try to wait for a day it warms up to maybe at least 45 and snow foam and pressure wash off with deionized water, then let air dry. I’ll use Stars and Stripes by Chem-x so it’s closest soap I know to a “touch free”wash. Depending on the weather I’ve even hand washed in those temps and even lower. That can be brutal though.
This year my approach will probably be Stars and Stripes and depending how much road film is on the vehicle, pull it into the garage and rinse-less wash for the contact wash. During Black Friday I bought a gallon of Hero so I’m excited to try that out.
It helps to have a heater garage too! Doing the contact wash inside the garages ends up not being too bad.
@@pklemm1 I've used the Chem-X before and did a video on it....very impressed with them for sure! I hear so many good things about HERO!! I'd like to try that also.....let me know your thoughts when you do use it!! I'd like other people's feedback for sure. I wish I had a heated garage...or climate controlled. That would be awesome!! Someday :)
@@talkingwithcars two years ago I installed a Mr. Cool DIY Mini Split system. It’s actually relatively easy. I installed it right next to my electrical panel so it only cost me $400 for an electrician to add the circuit and run the wire to the shut off (which was only a foot away). I only use it for heat, never had to use it for AC. I have a home gym in the garage so that is the main purpose for it but all my stuff folds away so my vehicle can park in there when I’m done working out.
The times I have rinse-less washed in the garage the mini split does a good with the humidity, which makes it easier to dry the vehicle.
@ I will look into the Mr Cool units. Seems easy! thanks
Number 10! 😉
@@CJ_Detailing Close ;) - You're Comment #6. Almost!
Its different sponge technology then you were trying to get away from. The sponges you want to not use are the ones that are damaging to the paint. The ones designed now for rinse less is nothing like those. Its the most beneficial non damaging way to use a rinse less. They are designed with a special foam (nothing like what you were getting away from) they have special cuts in the foam. these act as relief points for pressure. it also is designed to collect particles of dirt in the cuts and fingers of the sponge taking them away from the paint so they can be released into the bucket with the solution that actually cleans the sponge when you dunk it into the bucket of water/rinse less solution. Trust me... Ive been doing this for 40 years and it was difficult for me to grab on to until i forced myself to do so then I realized the differences and how much better the wash was with the sponge. BTW I use a much larger pressurized container or one of the new battery operated sprayers that holds 2 to 3 gallons for my pre-spray container. The rinse less when using a hybrid like Pans, Or hero by ADS, Rinse less from DIY are all great hybrids having both surfactants and polymers. The surfactants are great at eating the dirt and pulling it up and then the polymers are great at encapsulating and running the dirt away from the vehicle. I can tell you Rinse less has been a game charger for my services as it speeds things up greatly. If the vehicle is really dirty I might do a citrus pre spray with pressure wash rinse or use the Labocosmetica alkaline and acidic pre rinses for rinse less washing then contact wash with the rinse less for contact wash. It takes time to get used to it if your old school and hard to change in your thoughts or ways much like I was. now im easily convinced rinse less is a much better way when you can.
@@ConwayLStevens yep! Agreed, I just have to get used to the technology. I ordered the Detail Co sponge and Labocosmetica Preludio Acidic prewash after Pan recommended it to me so that test will be coming soon! I'm anxious to try the sponge for sure. Just counterintuitive since I grew up with everyone telling me not to use a sponge. Need to call it something else I think. Thanks for the feedback and advice! I do appreciate it. We all learn from each other. Happy Holidays! Hope you subscribe. I have some good content coming
@@ConwayLStevens I subbed to you also ;)
@talkingwithcars im going to be starting a second channel for all my car stuff and detailing. 40 year automotive tech that details. Appreciate the sub. Subbed you as well plus liked the video.
@ Awesome ! Can't wait to sub to your new one ! Have a great New Year!!
Awesome
Comment #7 - Thank you so much !!! Merry Christmas to you and Happy New Year!
Great video buddy!
Comment #8 - Thank you so much !!!! I do appreciate it!!! Happy Holidays!! Have you used a rinseless wash before?
You said kevkav5680 was 8th also
@@charlesbrasington7599 uh oh. Hey Charles. whooah. Did I miscount. uh oh ! Let me check again and maybe I miscounted. If so....you got it. Not dishonest at all just trying to manage this as best as I can. The "10th" person was ok for me giving this away to someone else so please be patient and let me see if I made a mistake. If I did, my bad.
@@charlesbrasington7599 let me check....hang in there
Looks like you are 9th different person to post!! @hartlanddetailer5670 was #10...but he opted out on the foam cannon gift!! Kev was #7. Send me a message on instagram and I'll connect you with a snowfoam cannon.....I'll soon be giving another one away as I'm getting a special delivery from a manufacturer soon !! Congrats!!
Good review of Pam’s rinseless wash, definitely not the best in my opinion, p ans s absolute is very good alongside gyeon ecowash !🇬🇧
Comment #8 - :) Thank you so much!! I appreciate the kind words. Happy Holidays!
Great and awesome video Subscribed and waiting for your posts
Comment #4 - :) Thanks DavPaRu!! Appreciate the kind words and for subscribing! Happy Holidays and Have a wonderful New Year!
I totally agree! Nice video! I have tried his stuff and it’s good, but I wouldn’t say the best in the world! lol!
Comment #3 :) - thanks man! I agree, good for sure. Not my favorite approach to cleaning but sometimes we don't have an option with weather. I'll try some others soon.... I used up almost half a bottle on that SUV! lmao
My personal choice is to use multiple clean mf towels and never dip dirty towel back into the rinseless.
Very true!! Good option. what towels do you use ??
@@talkingwithcars I use an edgeless to wash and a heavier towel to dry. Or I do not mind Kirkland towels?
@@hartlanddetailer5670 Hello! I like the edgeless wash towels....for washing especially since the edges are proned to microscratches sometimes...especially with cheaper towels. The Kirklands are ok but I usually use them for wheels...not paint
@@talkingwithcars Copy That...
So, if I comment 10 times will that count for the gift?- good choice to do the Mercedes just in case. 👍great job.
lmao...no :) you have to be the 10th different person to comment....that would be way too easy !! LMAO
How come you can’t bring your power washer outside? Is it bc of the cold?
Yeah....didn't want to create an ice skating rink in my driveway...it was like 15 degrees F that day...ugh!
Comment #2 :)
No not on that beautiful Beamer 😮
Happy Holidays Tony!!