The most unorthodox defender in NBA history | Matisse Thybulle

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  • Matisse Thybulle's combination of blocks and steals (stocks) is unmatched for any guard in league history. How does he do it? Is there a cost to his style? Should he have made the All-Defensive team as a guard last year while playing only 20 minutes a game? This detailed film breakdown & scouting report explores how the 76ers guard defends the perimeter while incorporating analytics & stats to assess his impact.
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  • @ThinkingBasketball
    @ThinkingBasketball  2 роки тому +1085

    Ton of insightful comments on this (as always). When researching, I couldn't quite find anyone like him. As some have mentioned, Bird had his share of rearview blocks, Kirilenko had a long/chaotic element to his game, and Jordan has some of this too (especially helping down on the post).

    • @wecanjump7512
      @wecanjump7512 2 роки тому +27

      Yeah, I thought of young Bird as well. Bird had the same anticipation without any of the athleticism. You almost have to jump sports to find a comp. I’m reminded of Troy Polamalu in football. They both play very loosely within the construct of their defenses, using their instincts/athleticism to make plays rarely seen. And their respective defenses sometimes pay the price for this freedom.

    • @SaxonFaust
      @SaxonFaust 2 роки тому

      KD been owning dis guy but Thybulle be terrorizing your golden boy Steph.

    • @SaxonFaust
      @SaxonFaust 2 роки тому +3

      You put Steph as the best player in the NBA. Its time to revoke ur basketball card because besides your analytics you really don't understand the game on a more deeper level. Ur undersigning of the game is overly reliant on stats and never lets you know the absolute truth about topics. Curry was never the best player in the league regardless of his numbers on ur bias selective stat sheet. Basketball is an art and it’s not all stat based analytics.

    • @Navvye
      @Navvye 2 роки тому +1

      @@SaxonFaust 2016

    • @wecanjump7512
      @wecanjump7512 2 роки тому +8

      @@SaxonFaust Your thinking is individually based. Curry’s impact is better viewed from a team perspective. Because of his famous range you have to guard him from half court. The constant attention (and his constant movement) paid him opens up the court for everyone.

  • @francisayala9310
    @francisayala9310 2 роки тому +4857

    After watching this, it made me realize that Thybulle and Embiid mesh so well on defense. Imagine your a ball handler trying to get to the rim, you have Thybulle hounding you from behind and if you manage to get pass him, you're greeted with Embiid. That's nasty.

    • @albericponcedeleon2696
      @albericponcedeleon2696 2 роки тому +511

      If Simmons wasn't such a black hole on offense that trio would have an insane net rating.

    • @Star-pl1xs
      @Star-pl1xs 2 роки тому +200

      @@albericponcedeleon2696 all-time, i'd bet (not even bringing up danny green)

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 2 роки тому +36

      @@Star-pl1xs Dead on

    • @TJzWayyy
      @TJzWayyy 2 роки тому +3

      @@Star-pl1xs Danny green lol

    • @randomdude4045
      @randomdude4045 2 роки тому +150

      @@TJzWayyy Danny is still a good defender. Not a DPOY caliber like he was 5 years ago, but he is still doin good at defending the perimeter. The only thing to be complained about Danny now is his shooting issue lol

  • @joelstratford2583
    @joelstratford2583 2 роки тому +2833

    Have a look at him playing for the Australian team in the Olympics. His defence was very interesting to watch.

    • @Notusingmareelname
      @Notusingmareelname 2 роки тому +201

      He was off the charts at the olympics with his impact defensively

    • @cameron5483
      @cameron5483 2 роки тому +102

      was gunna say after the comment about how he'd look in another defensive system, he was stellar for the Boomers defensively.

    • @devi_-
      @devi_- 2 роки тому +7

      Came here to say this.

    • @nicksantomauro2158
      @nicksantomauro2158 2 роки тому +5

      FIBA rules help tremendously

    • @nataneley
      @nataneley 2 роки тому +4

      He's sus, he might be a hacker

  • @garthmasa4459
    @garthmasa4459 2 роки тому +443

    When i was in my younger years as a basketball player, i use to defend like that. My body didnt have the bulk to face up vs bigger and stronger guys so i use my quickness and timing to let them pass and block from behind. Its much easier and effective.

    • @jhalparo3827
      @jhalparo3827 2 роки тому +4

      Also easier to get fooled. Hit me to change my mind 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @gc1087
      @gc1087 2 роки тому +22

      @@jhalparo3827 yessir I play d exactly the same and fouls are easy to come by....sadly.

    • @venomf0
      @venomf0 2 роки тому +2

      @@jhalparo3827 simple ballfake sends him flying

    • @kooligan500
      @kooligan500 2 роки тому +14

      @@venomf0 Thats easy to say in hindsight or when just watching but in game speed hes comming from behind seemingly as a help defender. He goes from being the on ball defender to making a blind side play.

    • @gc1087
      @gc1087 2 роки тому +8

      @@kooligan500 exactly, it surprisingly works well at game speeds, you can't slow it down and rewind 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @tysongarcia6973
    @tysongarcia6973 2 роки тому +243

    I'm from Seattle and had the pleasure of watching Matisse ball out here at UW for some great years. Mike Hopkins ran a wonderful 2-3 Zone and Matisse was one of the guards at the top of the zone. The dude was an absolute menace on defense and it was crazy how night in and night out, this dude would make offenses work so damn hard to trying to pass the ball around the top of the key without being picked.
    Check out his defensive highlights in college. His anticipation and bait game is next level.

    • @musicfirst5020
      @musicfirst5020 Рік тому

      No one cares if you're from Seattle. Get over yourselves.

    • @tysongarcia6973
      @tysongarcia6973 Рік тому

      @@musicfirst5020 Hey dumb dumb, Seattle was only referenced due to UW.
      Get out of your feelings, why are you so pressed by a comment? Weirdo.

    • @franciscopietri3999
      @franciscopietri3999 Рік тому

      😊

  • @Rockstar408J
    @Rockstar408J 2 роки тому +885

    Such frequent content from Thinking Basketball is a treat

  • @kyfps
    @kyfps 2 роки тому +1123

    we also have to take into consideration the players he's guarding in everyone of these clips. He gets matched up 1 on 1 vs some of the best scorers in history on a nightly basis, which makes some of the opponent field goal percentages even more impressive

    • @slimewatch1
      @slimewatch1 2 роки тому +55

      He locked down steph

    • @cole4939
      @cole4939 2 роки тому +17

      It's not easy to guard the players he's guarding for sure, but all other All-defense caliber guards are guarding these exact same scorers as well, with the exception of maybe KD.

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg 2 роки тому +18

      @@cole4939 tbh as a Sixers fan i watched Ben Simmons defense get glamorized for years, to the point he could've won DPOY last season. That said he almost never really took that assignment and far too often would allow Danny Green or Tobias to get cooked by the great wing scorers. So having Matisse is a major difference there.

    • @EB-bl6cc
      @EB-bl6cc 2 роки тому +1

      great point. you can really only compare his % against to the other guys who are also guarding those guys on a nightly basis, rather than the whole pool

    • @kyfps
      @kyfps 2 роки тому +8

      @@retch23tg Wait wtf? That's completely wrong. Ben took their best scorer everynight. Just bc you don't like the guy doesn't mean you can change that he's the best defender in the league

  • @RemoG0915
    @RemoG0915 2 роки тому +178

    I was shocked Dwyane Wade wasn't in that guards block list per 100. Turns out he just missed with a 1.9

    • @ayden8297
      @ayden8297 Рік тому +19

      John wall as well

    • @paulgeorge1316
      @paulgeorge1316 Рік тому +3

      They are both incredible defenders, im surprised they never made it.

  • @Phillyfan1998
    @Phillyfan1998 2 роки тому +501

    As a sixers fan, I would do everything in my power to make sure he is a Sixers for as long as we can have him. He is so important on the court.

    • @sunrae7680
      @sunrae7680 2 роки тому +15

      I consider Maxie and Matisse to be a set.

    • @Tyrannosaurine
      @Tyrannosaurine 2 роки тому +19

      Love Matisse, but he’s gotta show he can at least give you a couple buckets or something. On offense we are basically playing 4-on-5.

    • @heelp2370
      @heelp2370 2 роки тому +26

      @@Tyrannosaurine tbf realistically do you even need him on offense and are there even enough offensive possessions for him wtih embiid, harden, maxey, and harriss there. hes like a 5th option when it comes to offense. Id say quitee frankly if you are relying on your 5th option for buckets you are already fucked assuming everyone is healthy.

    • @lourok6824
      @lourok6824 2 роки тому +19

      @@heelp2370 5th offensive options should atleast have a consistent spot up jumper to provide spacing

    • @wallacewyche81
      @wallacewyche81 2 роки тому

      @@lourok6824 true

  • @gabehowe2778
    @gabehowe2778 2 роки тому +1791

    Mad respect to him, I never really noticed this, I Just thought his recovery was bonkers. He plays like a competitive 2K player, looking to bait the passer or the ball handler rather than looking to react from the front. Wade-like shot blocking ability. The offensive player is trained to light up their eyes when they beat a defender in front of them, however this is exactly what Matisse wants. Great video

    • @egvhub6230
      @egvhub6230 2 роки тому +139

      Great point on the 2k lmao. This is exactly how 2k players be playing defense

    • @PMCCOTTER
      @PMCCOTTER 2 роки тому +11

      This is such a good analogy

    • @seanye4920
      @seanye4920 2 роки тому +38

      Lmao the 2k analogy accurate asf

    • @freddycalipari4242
      @freddycalipari4242 2 роки тому +31

      Lol 2k players can see behind their head. Nobody plays like that irl

    • @PMCCOTTER
      @PMCCOTTER 2 роки тому +3

      @@freddycalipari4242 Marcus smart

  • @spurguvitunhuora9119
    @spurguvitunhuora9119 2 роки тому +439

    His ability to keep jumping without any recovery Time, reminds me of Rodman and Barkley. That talent made those two to spent there time under the basket. There you cant really defend while staying behind your opponent.... What a peculiar player.

    • @bradm1955
      @bradm1955 2 роки тому +9

      Excellent point. Barkley & Rodman could jump quickly & powerfully. Very underrated ability. They’d just high point the ball faster than anyone else.

    • @r.martinwarnke6184
      @r.martinwarnke6184 2 роки тому

      ‼️ truth

    • @b3trainingkc601
      @b3trainingkc601 2 роки тому +1

      Andrew wiggins is like that too. Pogo stick. Quickest second jump I've ever seen

    • @t5s
      @t5s 2 роки тому

      Just bouncin

    • @t5s
      @t5s 2 роки тому +1

      Zion insane like that too

  • @yey862
    @yey862 Рік тому +8

    still insane to me how a video about thybulle is your most viewed video, just shows the quality of the content you produce

  • @sk33t_38
    @sk33t_38 Рік тому +24

    this type of defense is taught in the Seattle area a lot and he most likely learned it at UW. I was taught a similar way of playing defense when I played. I have no clue who started it but playing parallel and baiting shots is emphasized a lot here at some schools. Would be a cool thing to investigate. I remember Brandon Roy was really good at this also.

    • @absolutemenace7754
      @absolutemenace7754 11 місяців тому +4

      Def a west coast basketball style of defense to overplay the shooting hand and violate air space instead of the traditional contest

  • @botleydot
    @botleydot 2 роки тому +504

    I agree that he gambles a lot on plays, but it makes him so entertaining to watch. Not sure you can block a curry 3 without taking some risks.

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg 2 роки тому +48

      His constant hustle covers up for it. Because even if he fails on that gamble he isnt going to give up and gets back into the play

    • @ghost.patrols
      @ghost.patrols 2 роки тому +7

      @@retch23tg Yup! I’ve seen him gamble, get beaten, then recover and still affect the player several times. His motor is unreal.

    • @Bigmonto
      @Bigmonto 2 роки тому +5

      Yea he looks like some sort of grasshopper put there. Even his dribbles a little weird. But it is very fun to see.

  • @trvspvrk
    @trvspvrk 2 роки тому +377

    I enjoy watching Matisse play defense, it’s honestly a joy to watch. He’s what I call a defensive highlight playmaker

    • @hasbullamagomedov4432
      @hasbullamagomedov4432 2 роки тому +1

      What he does is what Ben simmons tries to do

    • @jojoprocess2820
      @jojoprocess2820 2 роки тому +29

      @@hasbullamagomedov4432 nah ben simmons was a much better 1v1 defender and he was proud of that.

    • @hasbullamagomedov4432
      @hasbullamagomedov4432 2 роки тому +1

      @@jojoprocess2820 yeah that's true man but watching him he wants to play defence and turn to offence you know?

    • @jojoprocess2820
      @jojoprocess2820 2 роки тому +6

      @@hasbullamagomedov4432 yeah I can see that. I'm sure simmons would love to have thybulles defensive playmaking so he can get even more easy buckets on fastbreaks. He's not that bad himself tho, he led the league in steals like two years ago

    • @hasbullamagomedov4432
      @hasbullamagomedov4432 2 роки тому +1

      @@jojoprocess2820 yeah man defence and play making isn't a problem for him at all but to be an nba superstar you gotta know how to do everything, I really think he's style of playing is suited in the nbl which is abit more rough than usual

  • @ingry
    @ingry 2 роки тому +26

    It's how he recovers so quickly and adjusts to plays as they develop that I love so much. And with the average player skill being high enough to switch hands on a layup to avoid a defender... not being able can't see matisse's block attempts coming from behind is huge. It's so simple on paper, but so difficult and risky to pull off... It's insane that he can make it work at all, let alone at such a high rate. With how him and Maxey are stepping up, along with how insane Embiid is playing; I see the sixers putting in a good run this year.

    • @drk.i.a.2969
      @drk.i.a.2969 Рік тому

      They got harden leading them a hugh defensive liability for a starter, unless he leads in NBA in assists, without his usual 12fts hes a bust...collecting $$$.

    • @ingry
      @ingry Рік тому

      @@drk.i.a.2969 dude this was 8 months ago, and I was talking about Matisse not Harden... Are you okay lol?

  • @dmpdagamer
    @dmpdagamer 2 роки тому +27

    Idk why, but his defense reminds me of some defenders on 2K I play defense similar to this in real life and it transitions pretty well to 2K. Easy pick pockets and chase down blocks. Passing lane steals come easy as well when your IQ is just high enough to know who the ball is going to.

  • @billpap.9669
    @billpap.9669 2 роки тому +664

    Paint defense will always be more valuable than perimeter defense but perimeter defenders need to be acknowledged & respected more, perhaps give a DPOY award to a perimeter guy.

    • @jsmoove2194
      @jsmoove2194 2 роки тому +36

      Tell that to the bulls

    • @ethanhekker4371
      @ethanhekker4371 2 роки тому +78

      for a perimeter defender to be DPOY-worthy he'd have to outweigh the value of high-level rim protectors and that's pretty much impossible

    • @tylerm4405
      @tylerm4405 2 роки тому +34

      Yeah we should have an award for best paint defender (or maybe just overall since centers provide so much help defense) as well as a best man to man defensive player of the year

    • @douglasmcfarland9040
      @douglasmcfarland9040 2 роки тому +11

      1988 Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of The Year. Also finished in top 5 vote 4 times and was 9 time All Defensive Team selection.

    • @zekedeblaay4211
      @zekedeblaay4211 2 роки тому +33

      i know he’s best known for protecting the rim but giannis is a great perimeter defender. hes s dpoy. also kawhi won a dpoy, hes not much of a paint defender. just some recent examples, but yes, generally paint defenders are more valuable than perimeter defenders

  • @coledorillo6685
    @coledorillo6685 2 роки тому +245

    Loving these non-all star breakdowns. Show some role players some love

  • @winstonrushiniii3647
    @winstonrushiniii3647 Рік тому +5

    Low key this is a smart way of playing defense because most offensive players read what’s in front of the them. So when you get pass him your focus shifts to next guy in front and you tend to forget you have a defender behind you

  • @taylork.5427
    @taylork.5427 2 роки тому +24

    As a UW fan, he was probably my favorite college player to watch. He was such a huge problem in those Husky zone defenses. The defensive numbers he was putting up were unreal

  • @Ty_Guy2K
    @Ty_Guy2K 2 роки тому +392

    As a Sixers fan I love watching him play defense, my eyes are always glued to him no matter where the ball is. I’m biased but I think he’s the most fun defender to watch in the NBA rn

    • @sammymac2546
      @sammymac2546 2 роки тому +7

      Facts lol I got to watch him at Washington in college and he averaged like 4-5 steals a game

    • @Ty_Guy2K
      @Ty_Guy2K 2 роки тому +3

      @@sammymac2546 Oh sweet! Matisse is an absolute menace in a 2-3 zone, which I believe Washington used when he was there. It lets him get so many steals in the passing lanes and blocks from behind

    • @doloducci1k9200
      @doloducci1k9200 2 роки тому +4

      Him & Gary payton ll

    • @aanakhtatkaa9994
      @aanakhtatkaa9994 2 роки тому +2

      I totally agree with you! He's young, with a lot of growth! Let's go Sixers! Let's go Matisse Thybulle!

    • @declanfunk8127
      @declanfunk8127 2 роки тому +2

      He makes the funniest and most ridiculously amazing plays

  • @nurd5776
    @nurd5776 2 роки тому +725

    As long as he’s on a team like Philly, Utah, Milwaukee or Miami, he’s gonna have a great career

    • @nurd5776
      @nurd5776 2 роки тому +14

      @@Doorknobz I didn’t watch the Lakers game, what makes u say this? Stat sheet never says enough but it doesn’t look like anything abnormal happened? Or Pels game where again stat sheet doesn’t say much either?

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg 2 роки тому +19

      @@nurd5776 I'm only replying so i can see his reply if he does. Because I'd love to know exactly what he was talking about too. Going to assume it was about Russ but idk

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg 2 роки тому +1

      @@nurd5776 and i agree with you. As long as hes on a good team and isnt depended on to be a vital part of the offense (that part of his game just isnt there, but its developing and he could potentially be a 10-14 ppg guy which would be great) he's going to have a place in the league for a very, very long time

    • @floydster23
      @floydster23 2 роки тому +18

      Utah would be really interesting. Their defensive scheme is to take chances on defending the 3 point line because they know Gobert is back in the paint. O'Neale needs help out there as their only real perimeter defender. Thybulle's style of defense fits their own style, particularly with a rim defender like Gobert backing him up.

    • @injusticeanywherethreatens4810
      @injusticeanywherethreatens4810 2 роки тому +7

      ya defensively slanted teams tend ot benefit the most from unusual, chaotic defensively slanted players. Its why Garnett was such an MVP in Boston and why Speedy Claxton was so useful for the Spurs.

  • @diegovargas1661
    @diegovargas1661 Рік тому +45

    I got a few things to say 1. Him and Embiid given time can be a huge powerhouse, once he masters the 1v1 defense this guys is going to be a menace. 2. I believe that he is the best transition defender ever, because his ability to see the ball and read the eyes of the defender is unmatched, that paired with his athleticism are a dangerous combo. 3. Also, if I he learns to talk on the court and have that chemistry with his teammates so that they know when he’s doing the wrap around, it’ll be like a double team that the offense never saw coming. All of this was said by a 13 year old peace

    • @NeilTruick
      @NeilTruick Рік тому +3

      Respect to you, youngblood...

    • @contrasbeatshop
      @contrasbeatshop Рік тому +5

      you are articulate for a 13 year old, keep being a thinker out here young man

  • @thedarkfrost2351
    @thedarkfrost2351 Рік тому +5

    It’s insane that a video on a non starters defense is Ben’s second most viewed video

  • @ethanfriedman3118
    @ethanfriedman3118 2 роки тому +336

    When he played alongside Ben, the flaws weren’t visible because of what Ben is able to do as a 1v1, help, and interior defender. Ben allowed him to roam and be as effective as possible. Without him, teams can avoid him with good ball movement

    • @heic1971
      @heic1971 2 роки тому +87

      Yeah Jordan and Pippen did the same during those time. Depending the situation, either MJ or Pip will be one lock down the ball handler and the other will play free safety role just causing havoc in the passing lanes. And then just as fast turning it to a fast break with either MJ or Pip on the wings. Reason once they acquired Rodman, the bulls were almost invincible even at the time all 3 players were past their 30s. So these kids can say all they want with the old players can’t beat the teams now…. Think again. Those bulls were top 1-3 in both offense and defense every season.

    • @Homer-OJ-Simpson
      @Homer-OJ-Simpson 2 роки тому +50

      @@heic1971 yup, that’s what made the Bulls great. One of either Pippen or Jordan would lock down a key player and the other roamed. Pippen could lock down the bigger players while Jordan would lock down the smaller players. Jordan had the extremely quick hands and feet to roam around whole Pippen had godly length to block shots and passes.

    • @heic1971
      @heic1971 2 роки тому +55

      @@Homer-OJ-Simpson don’t forget Ron Harper, because of MJ, Pip and Rodman’s D Harper became a after thought. Harper would also lock down and recover to any player that might have got loose. When he was on the Cavs, Harper the only guy that gave Jordan a bit more trouble one on one.

    • @t.l.c.t.6250
      @t.l.c.t.6250 2 роки тому +9

      Give all you guys a thumbs up

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 2 роки тому +13

      @@Homer-OJ-Simpson Pippen especially had the lateral quickness, effort and wingspan to put all-time on and off ball defense.
      He was cloning himself on the floor, helping everybody.
      That combined with Harper on top and the competition had no chance at all.

  • @ryzie1234
    @ryzie1234 2 роки тому +42

    You can look at his defensive highlights playing for the boomers to see that he doesn’t need a elite paint protector behind him to cause hell on the perimeter as we were playing baynes and landale

  • @thechampionsplaybook
    @thechampionsplaybook Рік тому

    The data in this breakdown is incredible the amount of research that you had to do to creating this incredible content is amazing 💯💯💯

  • @lyndy101
    @lyndy101 2 роки тому +1

    You deserve more subs my dude. Love the depth you get into.

  • @eligyo8546
    @eligyo8546 2 роки тому +59

    been rooting for him and ja since 2019, glad they shine this year.

  • @makutjunior9102
    @makutjunior9102 2 роки тому +19

    One thing I saw in this video besides the fact that it is amazing and insightful is the fact that Durant must have watched film on him, that’s why he wasn’t looking at the guy but he still made a bounce pass after faking the shot because Thy was lurking from behind as usual

  • @shmoogly
    @shmoogly 2 роки тому +9

    I’m a sixers fan, always knew he was an great defender and could see it regularly. Never really notice how fast he can jump into the air, pretty amazing

  • @jonathandy727
    @jonathandy727 2 роки тому

    Crazy good video! Ive had this on my watch later list for about a month now haha so glad i finally watched it

  • @dhuman9321
    @dhuman9321 2 роки тому +35

    This is so well done. Thank you for putting the spotlight on Matisse and how truly special his defense is. His defensive style really is most akin to MJ's (if there's a past precedent). But in part bc D is a greater % of his energy/overall game, he's like a turbo-boosted Jordan (which is crazy to think possible.) And yes, the more interior block'g help & positional react'g know-how his teammates can make to cover for a miss/buy time, the more valuable he is. Your conclusion is right on.

  • @ericperry27
    @ericperry27 Рік тому

    Brilliant stuff! His game and ur video! Love the breakdown.

  • @Finn-no8kh
    @Finn-no8kh 2 роки тому

    Amazing video man. He’s one of my favourite players to watch

  • @cuisonte
    @cuisonte 2 роки тому +21

    I agree with your Dr. Evil suggestion: Mathysse sometimes DOES intentionally let his man go to chase him from behind. And as a spectator I love it, he's a walking defensive highlight reel. There exists a defense showtime ladies and gentleman

    • @cd6xc
      @cd6xc 2 роки тому +5

      I feel that too, especially when he has the size advantage. The way he "crashes" on some screens looks deliberate sometimes.

    • @sunrae7680
      @sunrae7680 2 роки тому

      Watching Matisse is like watching a comedy show. I'm laughing at how sneaky he is, and the ball handler doesn't know wtf happened. 😀😁🤣😂 Matisse deflated Steph Curry !!

  • @sponko
    @sponko 2 роки тому +16

    mattisse is one of my favorite players because he puts in effort. dude gets a 3pt shot and he plays for years

    • @theretrosavage
      @theretrosavage 2 роки тому +1

      He will play for years...

    • @Bobsyagod
      @Bobsyagod 2 роки тому +1

      He's been hitting more of them this year and he's young, if it keeps developing he could become an absolute weapon.

    • @theretrosavage
      @theretrosavage 2 роки тому

      @@Bobsyagod 100 percent agree

    • @JoeL-zw2me
      @JoeL-zw2me 2 роки тому

      Agree, I think just the fact that he’s not afraid to shoot 3s and that he does hit them although only occasionally is good to see. He’ll absolutely develop a more consistent shot at the rate he’s going

  • @venturapassansibullich7052
    @venturapassansibullich7052 2 роки тому

    Great content! I am a big fan. And now I discover more about him!

  • @rondariusjohnson3037
    @rondariusjohnson3037 Рік тому +1

    I love how you pointed out the good and the bad!!

  • @JG-bp6sn
    @JG-bp6sn 2 роки тому +24

    Very interesting analysis of the drawbacks to his style. We're lucky to have him and Embiid together. I'm guessing he'd be significantly less effective with an offense-minded big man like Towns or Jokic.

  • @steveshumate1983
    @steveshumate1983 2 роки тому +32

    I remember noticing Mikal bridges take the same rear view approach defense on luka a couple of years ago that worked really well on PnRs. Mikal isn’t the same athlete but he’s got super long arms and great timing

    • @redgyarados10
      @redgyarados10 2 роки тому +9

      agreed, another player I noticed that does this is KD. seems that the rear view approach defense works well for lanky & quick defenders who can cover ground easily

    • @chuckjacobs3239
      @chuckjacobs3239 2 роки тому +4

      Mikal Bridges arms are looooong as fuck

    • @Harry0082
      @Harry0082 2 роки тому +1

      Long arms help for sure. Much easier to reach over for the block without fouling

    • @goldenmidwayyoff1247
      @goldenmidwayyoff1247 2 роки тому

      Man we could have had Bridges and Thybulle...

  • @digitalvictory8266
    @digitalvictory8266 2 роки тому

    Fascinating!
    Great video man!

  • @trentidif4907
    @trentidif4907 2 роки тому

    This is a awesome video man very informative

  • @gabe271
    @gabe271 2 роки тому +12

    I enjoy the simple things in life: A hot shower, good coffee and a fresh break down from Thinking Basketball.

  • @Tony-cp6vu
    @Tony-cp6vu 2 роки тому +6

    He is just extremely athletic and more importantly, has this perfect timing instinct. You're born with that, gods gift

  • @Moondancin
    @Moondancin 2 роки тому

    I am liking and subscribing merely due to the fact you added that clip from Curb.
    Nice taste. Cheers.

  • @evhubbard41
    @evhubbard41 2 роки тому

    Jus came here to say your thumbnails are legit broski 👌🏾. Always make me do a double take.

  • @avib4073
    @avib4073 2 роки тому +11

    Fantastic stuff. Your videos are so detailed and interesting.
    It’s crazy how seasoned vets who have a good idea of when they can get shots off are completely caught off guard when Matisse does his crazy matrix blocks from behind. Gary Trent jr had a frustrated look on his face like damn wow wtf. I know he’s young but Steph did this too.
    Truly a specimen. In pickup games I’ve done this when people drive for layups if I know they have an advantage shooting over me. I just let them get around me and swat from behind. Yes I’m no Matisse but it’s a very tricky yet effective play. He’s a quirky, great defender with a capital Q.
    This brings back memories of when how Ginobili blocked Harden from behind to seal a playoff win I wanna say around 2015. Don’t need to be uber athletic to pull it off it’s mainly timing. Matisse is a beast so that’s why he blocks a ton of shots like this.

  • @notnigelll
    @notnigelll 2 роки тому +123

    His defense is already generational, he’s done things I never thought were possible defensively

    • @bmebuzz8718
      @bmebuzz8718 2 роки тому +7

      Really??

    • @notnigelll
      @notnigelll 2 роки тому +26

      @@bmebuzz8718 Yes, when was the last time you saw a guard block jump shots at the same frequency he did

    • @bmebuzz8718
      @bmebuzz8718 2 роки тому +13

      @@notnigelll im not questioning his defensive credibility, im confused on the “he’s done things i never thought were possible defensively”
      his defense is amazing but its not mind boggling, i dont know i could be wrong jus feel like thats quite the overreaction

    • @buttnuts2599
      @buttnuts2599 2 роки тому +4

      @@notnigelll d Wade

    • @notnigelll
      @notnigelll 2 роки тому +1

      @@bmebuzz8718 Maybe saying things i’ve never seen was an overreaction, but I meant as in his ability at 6’5 and being able to consistently block jump shots

  • @Djseandu68
    @Djseandu68 2 роки тому

    Wow what excellent breakdown!! Thank you.

  • @jrunna198
    @jrunna198 2 роки тому

    Great observation, and attention to detail... keep this up

  • @garretnarjes782
    @garretnarjes782 2 роки тому +89

    I think the element missed in this analysis is how effective he is at creating offensive fastbreaks. In some of the analysis of the Warriors this season, there's been a correlation between the effectiveness of their defense at creating opportunistic scoring, which across the league is always more efficient than going into a set defense. I think if you examined the easy points he gives up versus the easy points he creates, you might have an answer as to the effectiveness of his defense (ie, separating the noise in determining if he's just good or great).
    Does he increase his team's scoring efficiency with these defensive plays more than he increases the opponents scoring efficiency by forcing these bad rotations. You already gave decent evidence that he's good at reducing on-ball shooting percentage, but I'd want to see perhaps whether opponents score more points in the paint than usual, and whether his defensive effectiveness changes when Embiid is off the floor.
    Not definitive, but a quick scan of his box score +/- does not appear to correlate this. He has 4 games with a very high +/-, but 3 or fewer steals+blocks. He also has 3 games with a very high +/- and more than 3 steals+blocks.
    There's definitely something going on here, and figuring out how to model it will probably improve defensive metrics, even if he is a unique player.

    • @chrollodranx-hunter3389
      @chrollodranx-hunter3389 2 роки тому +8

      Interesting stuff....I'd theorise the more ball dominant guards who are either pass first or score first w/ a shifty handle give him issues in pnr

    • @caponebd7941
      @caponebd7941 2 роки тому +3

      @@chrollodranx-hunter3389his specialty is definitely against shooters, so slashers give him comparatively more trouble. It’s hard to say if he would cover them differently without Embiid behind him though. Right now, he doesn’t have to worry too much about a guard scoring consistently in the paint against Joel. That being said, I want to see him stay with Joel on the sixers for a while.

    • @qwertmanjenkins
      @qwertmanjenkins 2 роки тому

      Don't know if it needs to be elements "missed"; this was a great video as is and makes plenty of awesome observations. Interesting comment tho maybe something you could make a video about!

  • @tabithadavid606
    @tabithadavid606 2 роки тому +3

    Fantastic video! I knew he was a great defender but this thoughtful breakdown really assists my appreciation even better. Love the content!!

  • @1stMikeWhite
    @1stMikeWhite 2 роки тому

    Yeah, this video is super interesting. Well done y’all ✅👍🏽

  • @geotechms
    @geotechms 2 роки тому

    Fascinating video, I really enjoyed it 👍

  • @Colinkrauss1
    @Colinkrauss1 2 роки тому +5

    He’s been my favorite role player since he checked in to guard Kemba his rookie year and snatched Kemba’s soul! He is a defensive guru!!!

  • @zichriosler9552
    @zichriosler9552 2 роки тому +38

    Ball-seeking defense. Definitely keeps him in hunter role. It can also be risky. This cost Philly in game 7 with a costly foul on a 3 point shot in the waning moments.

    • @ballplayer432
      @ballplayer432 2 роки тому +2

      to be fair that wasn't really a foul

    • @Fahronaces
      @Fahronaces 2 роки тому +1

      He did it twice in that series in game 5 he fouled Trae Young on an important 3 near the end of the game, and he did the same thing to Kevin Huerter in game 7

  • @gc1087
    @gc1087 2 роки тому

    Wow this video hit home. This is EXACTLY how I always played defense...I never knew or seen anyone play same until now. It's so accurate too, yes you get a lot of blocks but I tend to let people drive by and help defense is 100% important. Without the help d people get pissed at me that people drive in all the time. Good video!!

  • @johncap5317
    @johncap5317 2 роки тому

    Amazing video dude 🙌🏻👏🏼👏🏼

  • @bryant475
    @bryant475 2 роки тому +4

    Awesome, great analysis! He's definitely a rare player! Another player who played like this, was Andrei Kirilenko (AK47). At 6'9, he was the shortest player in NBA history apart from Ben Wallace to average over 3 BPG twice in his career, and lead the league in this category at least once. He's also the only SF to ever do this. In addition, he's the only player in NBA history to finish a season in top 4 in both blocks and steals per game. He also had 3 5x5s in his career (games with at least 5 pts, 5 reb, 5 ast, 5 blk, 5 stl), second only to Hakeem the Dream, who had 6. In addition to Blocks and Steals, hee was also a great all around player, including passing, rebounding, and had a decent mid range and 3 pt shot. With a 37 inch vert in his prime, and a 7'4 wingspan, he was in optimal condition to block shots, but he also had great positioning, timing, anticipation, and straight up effort. Definitely one of the most underrated players ever, and one of the best defenders of all time! I love players who put a lot of effort into defense, and Thybulle, like AK47 is definitely one of them. This video gives a good summary of his rare stats, with highlight video in the background, and how he'd do in today's game: ua-cam.com/video/eak73CVfQHk/v-deo.html
    P.S I don't remember if you ever made a video similar to this about AK47, but you should!

  • @nolengerwer3517
    @nolengerwer3517 2 роки тому +10

    His way of defending from behind would work so well on the bucks where guards have to chase around screens because of Brooks extreme drop coverage

  • @victorpomales8615
    @victorpomales8615 2 роки тому

    Great insight. Thybulle never really gets talked about as an elite athlete, great job explaining it.

  • @kevinchan3668
    @kevinchan3668 2 роки тому

    Love this analysis, thanks for the thorough breakdown./

  • @michaelbarnes2617
    @michaelbarnes2617 2 роки тому +10

    I’ve been impressed with his defense since his 2nd year, it says something that he’s considered one of Philly’s leaders as well he’s got a bright future

  • @Chairman_Miao
    @Chairman_Miao 2 роки тому +28

    would love to see a video on his former teammate in Seattle Dejounte Murray

  • @scottlindholm8938
    @scottlindholm8938 2 роки тому

    Very cool video. Thanks for sharing.

  • @slavkoyakitake
    @slavkoyakitake 2 роки тому

    Great video Mate !
    Love from Poland

  • @broccolihighkicks708
    @broccolihighkicks708 2 роки тому +3

    I’ve been waiting for this one! I Love Thybulle

  • @TylerMiller04
    @TylerMiller04 2 роки тому +14

    I'm a sixers fan, and I just gotta say, I love Matisse. We all love him actually

  • @RsZ789
    @RsZ789 2 роки тому

    Great analysis. Fascinating stuff

  • @DankScole
    @DankScole 2 роки тому +122

    When the only badge you have is chase down artist 😂😂

    • @safalligal3849
      @safalligal3849 2 роки тому +19

      When the only like you have in 4 hours is yours 😂😂

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 2 роки тому +2

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

    • @DankScole
      @DankScole 2 роки тому +4

      @@safalligal3849 😐 I forgot to laugh

    • @zachmontminy
      @zachmontminy 2 роки тому +1

      @@truthhurts837 reach. Embiid owns him.

    • @gauravsimon367
      @gauravsimon367 2 роки тому

      @@DankScole lmaooo

  • @chestanjames1588
    @chestanjames1588 2 роки тому +7

    Would love more videos on defenders like Jrue, Giannis, AD, Bam, etc

  • @kracerx
    @kracerx Рік тому +3

    Just a couple games into his time in Portland, and he’s already looked really good - especially when you consider that Portland has been without their starting center. He’s already gotten one of those amazing blocks on what appeared to be a wide open corner 3.

  • @jet4247
    @jet4247 2 роки тому

    This is a great content man

  • @chaabraaah5823
    @chaabraaah5823 2 роки тому

    Also, your breakdown is incredible. Subbed

  • @BlueHundred1
    @BlueHundred1 2 роки тому +14

    He's a smart defender who's pretty disciplined but he's also got size and wingspan and explosiveness laterally and vertically. If only he had more of an offensive game. He's such an interesting player.
    Embiid is the defensive anchor and dpoy candidate not thybulle but matisse is a great defender. He's a defensive highlight reel making plays with calculated gambles and his unique style.

  • @jamessim3360
    @jamessim3360 Рік тому +5

    Would love to see your update on his play now that he's on the Blazer's.

  • @Nickalzz
    @Nickalzz 2 роки тому +1

    I’m glad you added the second half of this video because I spent the whole first half thinking to myself this is just bad defense being covered up by superior athleticism in and length. Now he’s obviously a smart guy and understands his body and angles well but he is definitely hurting the defense in some situation‘s but like I said I think he’s a smart guy and I think eventually he’s going to fine-tune this.

  • @radrico
    @radrico 2 роки тому

    Not a 6ers fan so this wasnt even on my radar. Great spotlight man. I'll be watching his defense going forward :)

  • @anlstyle
    @anlstyle 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks for the video. Very interesting. I wonder if his playing from behind is something he developed to compensate for his lack of lateral footspeed. I don't think he can play a normal scheme but he's actually not good at moving his feet, keeping up laterally with attackers.

    • @sunrae7680
      @sunrae7680 2 роки тому

      Their making him work on his scoring game. He is making/ taking more shots.

  • @athirdwhy9734
    @athirdwhy9734 2 роки тому +9

    Just based on clips you showed, I 'd say he needs to master his techniques bit more. Tries too much to steal and/or block. Sometimes it's enough to redirect/distract the opponent. But yea, definitely worth keeping an eye on his defensive stats to see the impact he's having.

    • @ThinkingBasketball
      @ThinkingBasketball  2 роки тому +4

      Yeah I think he hasn't completely optimized the style yet.

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 2 роки тому

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

  • @micahwalizer2943
    @micahwalizer2943 2 роки тому

    Great, interesting video. Unique look at Matisse's sklls

  • @tdoublejr
    @tdoublejr 2 роки тому

    God I enjoyed this so much! Good video!

  • @braedonjames7084
    @braedonjames7084 2 роки тому +6

    I Feel it reminds me of Jordan style defending, high risk/high reward, lots of steals from behind, lots of blocks, lots of passing lane attempts etc.

  • @1will2kill
    @1will2kill 2 роки тому +8

    He would be perfect for the Raptors. His help D would fit in perfectly with FVV and our front court.

  • @penmanovicxxxxxx2694
    @penmanovicxxxxxx2694 2 роки тому +2

    One place you could look for evidence of Thybulle's effectiveness in a different scheme is footage of his defence with the Australian national team at the Tokyo olympics. He had moments of incredible effectiveness there as well as a few bizarre plays. Worth a look.

  • @AndrewEvenstar
    @AndrewEvenstar 2 роки тому

    This video is awesome. Wow. Great work. This guy has skills

  • @eatdawontonsoup
    @eatdawontonsoup 2 роки тому +10

    I think he and John Stockton have a lot of similarities in backcourt defending.

  • @intendedexpression6609
    @intendedexpression6609 2 роки тому +4

    Top 3 wing defenders rn imo: Thybulle, Herb Jones, and Mikal Bridges. Kawhi is in there when healthy and motivated. Others like Jrue Holiday, Marcus smart and giannis are great too.

    • @qbincashion8058
      @qbincashion8058 Рік тому +1

      Not even including Simmons as an honorable mention is disrespectful

    • @intendedexpression6609
      @intendedexpression6609 Рік тому

      @@qbincashion8058 You right, hes really well balanced as a defender perimeter wise and in the paint. Also very disruptive in the passing lanes and his mobility for being 6'10 is insane.

  • @basedlord88
    @basedlord88 Рік тому

    Watched him all thru college cuz grew up a UW fan, guy is so fun to watch, his defense is insane, would love to see him added to a elite team and be their defense glue

  • @simpleyvic
    @simpleyvic 2 роки тому +1

    'Tisse is that dude.. and on behalf of all Philadelphians.. we love him.. that kind of hustle and heart goes a long way with us..
    i just hope he sticks with improving his jumper.. Harden seems determined to feed him in the corner when the opps leave him uncontested. As long as he maintains that confidence, make or miss, and works in the offseason, Philly will love him for life.

  • @connor8627
    @connor8627 2 роки тому +22

    He’s absolutely phenomenal, still can’t believe my Celtics drafted him and then traded him to the 76ers

    • @bdawg2690
      @bdawg2690 2 роки тому

      Oh man, would’ve been a perfect fit for y’all

  • @NickPR87
    @NickPR87 2 роки тому +5

    I was having a conversation with a friend about how much his defense reminded me of early, athletic prime MJ. Difference being, Michael didn't gamble as much and stayed in front of his guy more often. But MJ being an offensive force as well makes him ever much more impressive!
    But don't get it twisted, Thybulle is crazy fun to watch and is quite impressive in his role. He's also one of the few guys that have been able to translate their defensive play from college to the pros and make their money strictly off that.

  • @rn2511
    @rn2511 2 роки тому

    Legendary timing 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

  • @LetsGoRideMTB
    @LetsGoRideMTB Рік тому

    @3:18 - in jumping sport (high jump, long jump, pole vault and javelin) we call that the penultimate step. Understanding how jabbing the ground with your jump step is key to changing forward momentum to vertical momentum except in the case of javelin where you are converting forward body mass into energy behind a projectile.

  • @9Kjack
    @9Kjack 2 роки тому +19

    I'd be interested to hear what his teammates think of playing defense with him and his chaotic style

    • @norpriest521
      @norpriest521 2 роки тому +1

      If bucks get Thybulle.
      It's a wrap

    • @averagesixersfan9778
      @averagesixersfan9778 2 роки тому +1

      @@norpriest521 wont ever happen

    • @IH8AI
      @IH8AI 2 роки тому +12

      The rest of the Sixers have all started trying to block shots from behind since Matisse was drafted. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 2 роки тому

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

    • @averagesixersfan9778
      @averagesixersfan9778 2 роки тому

      @@truthhurts837 ?

  • @AlexHendershot
    @AlexHendershot 2 роки тому +40

    He is the Russell Westbrook of defense…he’s an athletic freak with a crazy high motor, takes risk and causes chaos, sometimes at the expense of his team

    • @KevlarCurt
      @KevlarCurt 2 роки тому

      Westbrick

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 2 роки тому +1

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

  • @TrustyLicious
    @TrustyLicious 2 роки тому

    Thanks for bringing this to light. Unorthodox defense is mind boggling.

  • @alexclark4968
    @alexclark4968 2 роки тому

    Wonderful breakdown