Your decision is very correct. I absolutely agree with your thoughts. Even the simplest decision is much better than indecision. At least your head will be at ease. After all, there are many places to see in the world. I wish you a good day and good luck. 🌹🌿🐕✨
Thank you again Ellis for these wonderful videos and the information you have shared. It is very helpful to many of us in similar situations trying to make decisions...
Hi Elli, My name is Lene, I only discovered your videos some months ago and I have enjoyed all of them a lot. My situation is somehow comparable to yours, as my husband and I (Dutch nationalities) bought an apartment in Antalya 20 years ago, with only my name on the deed, and unfortunately we now don't have a high enough monthly income, (for our minimalistic way of living high enough, but not high enough according to the residence permit requirements for two people), so my husband couldn't get a residence permit after the rules tightened, meaning he lives in our little rented home in the Netherlands 6 months a year, whereas I live in Antalya permanently, counting the 8 years it takes until I hopefully can apply for a permanent residence permit. Not ideal ! But due to the really annoying ever-changing rules in Turkey, we also don't dare to give up our home in the Netherlands even though we would, if only both my husband and I could feel sure about getting a residence permit here, for as long as we want to live in Antalya. I searched for the new rules you mentioned, but I couldn't find any updates from October 2024, (also not at the site of Göç idarı) so could you please share a link to an official Turkish site declaring these new rules 🙏 ? Thank you 😊 Good luck with everything, your plan sounds great ❤
Wow, It's so heartbreaking to hear those stories. I keep posted via a facebook group. There info has been spot on. If I need to know for sure I just go to the government office in Mugla. I have found it ones online but can't find it back. facebook.com/groups/544167955696716
Beste Christiaan Jansen, 'bedankt' voor je advies "Please go !" Jou commentaren aan Elli, haar man en aan mij heeft een sterke passief-agressieve ondertoon. Wat heeft je zo boos en bitter gemaakt ? Voel je je misschien iets beter wanneer je kritiek op anderen richt ? Ik wens je het beste 🙏
I am just down the road from you in Dalaman. I am in my 4th year of my ikamet. I live alone, therefore my Tapu has my name only. My pension is very low at US$1300. a month. My agent tells me I am fine and it will be extended for another two years, blah blah. But I will never be completely relaxed on this residency. And its not just Türkiye, so many countries keep chopping and changes their residence rules. Its a bit nerve wracking. I hope France will not end up being too expensive, or a hassle. Let's face it, you have had a wonderful life in Türkiye, and through the years, you have been a great ambassador in promoting our area's nature and scenic walks. Alles van de beste. As we say in Afrikaans "vas byt"
With a house and that income you will be fine. After 8 years you get your permanent ikamet and all your worries are over. Its the income we lack. Otherwise we would have been ok. I will always be loving Turkiye and I will come back for months at the time.
Thank you so much Uzair for sharing your income and location. The "UA-cam" algorithms sent me Allis's channel link as I have been doing a lot of research on where in Europe to make my "home base" and Türkiye, because of my old connections there, has been high on the list. Sadly because my monthly income is just bit less than yours, I've been encouraged to focus on Bulgaria or Albania as my "home base," while I travel and work part time guiding and doing historical architecture restoration when contracts arise. Türkiye, its culture and people are wonderful (governments in general are rather dysfunctional these days...LOL!!!) A few of my dear friends love it there, so I hope to spend a lot of time traveling and hopefully working there on some of the beautiful vintage architecture. Thanks again for what you have shared...
@@JayCWhiteCloud perhaps reconsider Türkiye as opposed to Albania or Bulgaria. I dont spend anywhere near my pension value. In fact, I put about $35,000 (which isn't a lot of money) into a 6 month fixed deposit in a Turkish bank. At the moment they are giving a whopping 42% interest rate. To be honest , Im living on the interest and only using my pension for travel, or big ticket items. You wont find that anywhere else. So, maybe do a little more homework/research on basing yourself in Türkiye. Good luck!
@@uzairibnuri8017 Brother, I would much love to do that, but sadly that is out of my reach as well financially. I've worked for "not for profits" most of my life, and for personal and spiritual reasons, took a vow of "poverty and service" over a decade ago. As such, my pension will be only about $950 per month American dollars. I also have lived, most of my life, a very traditional existence (last 3 years with and around Old Order Amish) so still don't have things like a car, bank accounts etc. I still don't have, carry or ever want a cell phone (though I'm being forced to now in retirement) as well as I have to have a "bank account" as everything is electronic these days. I am still going to try and find my way to Türkiye and volunteer on one of the historic architecture restoration projects and helping with natural area preservation which are my two primary areas of expertise. I am so pleased you responded and thank you for the advice too. I will keep doing research, and perhaps I will have a "windfall"...LOL...and some relative I don't know about will leave me some money like that to put in a bank...otherwise I will just have to find another way as I will be coming to Türkiye with the next year or so. Perhaps we may share a cup of coffee when I do...Blessings, j
Permanent residency/Indefinite residency permit (long term residency they call it in Turkiye) was an option for you for many years which you didn't take action. While you are right about them changing rules frequently, pls also consider your responsibility since you had chance for MANY YEARS to get prepared for the changing rules today (immigration rules to Netherlands has evolved in the last let's say 15 years as well). Asking for a decent income for temporary permit is quite normal in any country. Don't forget that many (about 90% percent of WORLD population) can not even visit your country as a tourist for couple of days. If Turkiye (the state) would be organized, well-managed, orderly as some western countries you wouldn't be able to move here many years ago, because you wouldn't be able to afford in the first place. Good luck with your sale and your new life.
First: It's not me that has a problem but my husband, and we will leave together. This is explained in earlier videos on this situation. Second: I don't have enough income to get the permanent residency. Simple, I have tried. Sorry if I was not clear enough on that. I can simply not repeat 6 months of trouble in every follow up video on this subject.
@@AtHomeInTurkey Thank you for your response. My point is "if you want to retire and live till the end of your life in another country other than your citizenship, the first thing you do is to get the permanent residency (better citizenship) in the shortest possible way. The two year short term residency permit (as the name states "short term / temporary") is a claim from the state that you can stay "short term/temporary". Your life decisions (such as deciding to reside in a country till the end of your life) can not rely on temporary claims by other bodies. This applies anywhere in the world. Thailand changed the rules many times, Philipines did, Portugal adjusted golden visa rules many times, as well as bluecard scheme rules in EU changed in different member states. Europeans living and working in UK had to deal with many paperwork and/or need to leave after Brexit... These things happen anywhere in the world and everyone is responsible for their own life. As you stated @5:22 "that is purely due to lack of income" - for which you can not blame anyone but yourself.
@@deniztarabya7405 I cannot agree more with you. I live in Norway and I have dual citizenship; both Turkish and Norwegian. You are 100% right. This is not special to Turkey. Rules are changing everywhere. For example while Turkish citizens cannot even get a normal tourist visa these days to see a European country for a couple of weeks, that policies of Turkey for long term visitors is changing often should not be a shocking news. They already allow European tourists without a visa. If one buys a house abroad then that person should assure a residence permit or citizenship. My partner is Norwegian-, all my relatives were shocked why it had taken so long time for me to get the citizenship here. However during my 9 years of life here in Norway they have changed the rules all the time as well. For example in the past if you are married to a Norwegian you could get the permanent residency easier than now. Later on they made it compulsory for the partner who is applying to earn a certain high income (it is much higher than what they require in other northern European countries). Especially northern Europe is changing rules to avoid immigration all the time. They also say it clearly that they do not want immigration. I don't see any open door for Turks in Europe, meanwhile the expectancy of Europeans is different from Turkey. And Turkey is not even asking for "integration courses and a perfect Turkish" from those residents. It is because especially northern Europeans see our country as an easy place to get sun in the retirement period, escape from the constant wet, icy and dark times of the north. They are then ok to be in our country where majority is Turkish people. But in my observation an average northern European (in general) don't like to see the same Turks on their Northern European streets. (This person in the video might have a different opinion herself, but it does not the change the fact that majority of northern Europe consists of those type of mindsets/people) Also all Europeans have schengen visa; moving to Greece is much easier and less bureocratic....I am writing this as a person who is extremely opponent of the government in Turkey. They have ruined so many things; from nature to economy. But this topic is not relevant to politics. My partner is an ethnical Norwegian, even though he is not Turkish he confirms and observes the same thing I am writing here. Europeans looking down upon on other nations that are not western; not wanting them in their country, voting for the political parties that make the immigration rules stricter, but when it comes to them; when they are gonna reside in a non European country for its sunny weather, they demand it to be easy and never change. Well the whole world is constantly changing, what to expect!
@@esraduzen bu aileyi baştan beri takip ediyorum. Doğa dostu iyi insanlar olduklarını düşünüyorum. Zor durumda kalmalarına da üzüldüm. Ancak değerli, isabetli ve kesinlikle gerçeklerden oluşan yorumlarınızdan ötürü tebrik ve teşekkür ediyorum. Saygılar…
Yes, many people say they love the house but don't want to live so remote. It's not the 4 km to Dalyan but the ferry is the problem. And then to think that when I came here there was only a rowboat service. Or a long drive around the lake.
They've changed the rules in Greece too. People on a Financial Independence Permit, have had the income threshold massively increase. Many had bought. Moved to Greece totally. Now having to leave. We got residency under the withdrawal agreement (pre-Brexit), and will soon sell a UK property. Not going to invest in a property in Greece as who knows what rules they will make in the future! P.S. We met briefly at Sundance Camp just as Covid rules lifted. Katherine
Wow, so you deal with the same problems in Greece! I feel so lucky to be Dutch. At least Europe is open to me. And yes, I remember you guys. You where there with a few campers right?
@AtHomeInTurkey yes. But we both have Irish Passports. So we are incredibly lucky. We are still very much in touch with 3 of the couples and manage to see them when in the UK. One couple have visited us in Crete and got engaged whilst with us. Where in France are you headed?
The inflation in Turkey is so high that with the same small income you can soon can not afford to buy beef and lamb or wild caught fat fish for every day which is crucial for health. In France inflation is not so high and the quality of local beef and lamb and dairy is way better. Poultry too. And there is wild caught birds, deers and elks for cheap from hunters.
@AtHomeInTurkey You already wake up early, before sunrise. Spend a lot of time outside, getting sunshine. Start working out outdoors. Do hard things. You do not work for money or hours, so just slow down before the sunset and go to sleep early. Elderly muscles need more time to recover. Sleep at least 9 hours. Use filament LED bulbs 2700K temperature. No light after dark. Buy used miele washing machine before W1 generation from Germany and install cast iron drum holder from those before 1998 and it will last forever. Use both hot and cold water to fill it, so it will wash faster. Dry laundry outside and use tumble drier only for 20 minutes to remove dust and old particles from cloth. Thus will be less dust on the floors and all surfaces and you will save up on water and electricity for cleaning. Use solar panels and inverter + batteries for light, internet and charging gadgets. Do not use dishwasher when there are no guests. That way your electricity bill will be lower than average. Your wish not to depend on an unpredictable ridiculous law makers and be responsible for your life will be appreciated! And you will nail you move!
@@AtHomeInTurkey water in Cirali is already 10 times more than in 2021. Also springs in Ulupinar destroyed by the D400 contractor, but authorities do not care, instead they asked locals not to spray their gardens and stop growing fish:)) Electricity - similar. Soon it will cost like in France.
I wouldnt stay either. It leaves a bitter taste.... too muxh worry never knowing if and when they change their minds again ! You will have a lot of new things and areas to explore in France 🤩 Life is hard as it is without having to worry about immigration ! We have had really bad weather in some parts of Spain with horrible flooding. We dont sell now...will wait and look more careful where to move. Some of the areas I had picked are...almost gone or just flooding in mudd...Santa Pola it is for a while longer...lol...Hugssss 😘
@AtHomeInTurkey We are just in the same province. Bought some cleaning things yesterday and donated. Santa Pola is filling up some trucks for Valencia. They are on orange allert today for more rain. Its awful to see everything on the news.
Turkey is still relatively new dealing with a huge amount of refugees and immigrants, so this comes with a cost. Though the solid income rule isn't something only applied in Turkey, everywhere in the world.
Taşındığınızdada nereyi yerleşirseniz oralarıda bize gezdirirsiniz gideceğiniz ve yaşayacağınız yeri merak ediyorum şimdiki videonuzda güzel olmuş teşekkürler Edirne'den selamlar 😊🙋
Teşekkür ederim. Fransa'nın Languedoc bölgesine gidiyorum. Umarım burada yaptığımın aynısını orada da yapabilirim. Güzel yerleri ziyaret edin ve ülkenin tadını çıkarın.
One thing not to forget in the chaos is to have Timo's passport in order.. I think some jabs have to be a month or so in advance of travelling - though I don't know the rules for your trip with Timo..
Just rabies is the difficult one. He had a blood test one month after the injection. All was well so he had to wait 3 months before Europe will let him in. This will stay valid if you repeat the jab every year. Also one extra health check before you go from a state veterinarian. If he gives the ok you have 48 hours to leave the country.
You sound like my mother, everything happens bad to her its always someone else's fault she never takes a responsibility for her own actions. My mother goes to other country to settle down, she doesn't become a citizen than complains that she is not treated like a citizen. According to her, bali and Balinese people are the one has problems.??? Yeahhh. No one rule, if you decide to live in Turkey, Thailand, Vietnam, Portugal or Bali its because it appeals to you is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Find a country that offers a dual citizenship so you have NO healthcare, legal assistance issues. If you are not a Citizen, than you don't have the same rights PERIOD. This is all Around the world aaaaaannnnd always subject to changes. Grass in France or Greece or anywhere else is not GREENER on other side of the fence.
I understand your feelings on this. But to me Turkey is still the best that ever happened to me. The people and their lifestyle the most appealing etc. etc. I pay my own healthcare. Not a problem. But I can not have dual citizenship. I would lose my Dutch passport. And as long as I have family in the Netherlands I will not give it up. The only thing that I get mad about is that I have lived here for 20 years and never had a problem with nobody. Some idiot changes all the rules that created this problem (not just for me) and he got wisseled back after 6 months. Meaning, many people had to leave, give everything up etc etc. That's not fair. I will be fine, no worries. There are good people everywhere.
@@AtHomeInTurkey Nope, I didn't share my feelings, I've shared FACTS only. However you still in denial. You've admitted you lived in that country for 20 years, and made a CHOICE not to become a Citizen as you didn't want to give up the Netherland passport. In Australia we say you can't have the cake and eat it too. I am afraid grass is not greener in France nor Florida.
@@AtHomeInTurkey Those idiots - as you call them- were trying to come up with some quick solution to housing shortage after the country has lost about 500000 units in the earthquake (yes half a million units are gone or not in a usable condition) which created the pressure on the rental market where there was already a pressure due to Ukraians, Russians as well as Afghans and Syrians. And yes, those idiots - as you call them- couldn't really think of every exception (such as couple of hundred foreigners who got effected - before you object let me tell you that most are OK) compared to the majority, millions of people, and since those idiots started to get the feedbacks from sub-immigration offices, they soon had time to take a look at those exceptions and loosing some rules back. Like it or not, but analyze and understand the circumstances before you call officers "idiot".
while i sympathise with the ever changing, (usually contradictory) residency rules, i do not think that 1.5 x minimum wage is unreasonable, it is the same to come to the UK. (£39k income to £26k minimum wage).
I agree. But to put this on people that have been in your country for 20 years without ever being in trouble is not ok. Before they never even looked at our income. Only the first time. But they turned it back. It's just to late for a lot of people. And that makes it so unfair.
@@christiaanjansen9800 what some foreign home- owners experience now in Turkey can be worse than some taxes to pay in France, depending in their specific situation.
@christiaanjansen9800 dear friend, If you read my message, i specifird that it depends on the situation of 7each individual. Some people were forced to sell their property based on new rules. I used to live in Germany and I have my own experience of life as well. I worked in the nergy industry and visited lots of countries in almost each continent. I can return your atgument: France is big too. With respwct to crime, you will get more than enough if you go to live in some nogo areas of Istanbul. Alanya idoes not represent the whole of Turkey. So i do not understand why you call me naive without knowing me. However is up to you. Maybe it is normal in your family to be rude. I
@@olivernjoku3110 nobody is forced to sell anything. Buying a property in a foreign country is an investment. Turkiye granted home buyers 2 years permit (and extended it every two years). Noone claimed those rules wouldn't change. At the end, if someone can not extend their permit (and was careless enough not to get a permanent one after 8 years of living), they can leave the country and use the property as a summer house with a tourist visa and/or rent it or sell it. As you can see noone is forcing anyone to sell. Buying a property in a foreign country doesn't automatically means you can live there. A rich Turkish person can buy dozens of apartments in Florida, but only can stay in US max 90 days as a tourist. A person from Egypt can buy in Netherlands (investment) but can not even visit to see it. As you can see, those are purely different things. Two years permit offered to house buyers is a privilege by the state, not a "right" earned by the buyer. So nobody is forced to sell. Don't bullshit.
After this terrible experience, anyone thinking of going to Turkey, should think twice. Policies on a whim cannot be trusted. Especially after a certain age.
Exactly, before you think grass is greener on the other side, check if you can have a dual Citizenship of the country you wish to move, otherwise same issues she is having will occur everywhere else in the world. What if I go to Norway and buy a house and start living? She needs take the responsibility for her actions.
@@zaffvideos5688 . I think you're being very judgemental on a person who has followed the rules of a country and that country changes goal posts as new people come and go. This is poor reflection on the people holding power. However, one must always be aware of history and Turkey has done this maneuvering of people they deem unsuited to their agenda many times before in its history.
@@Honeybadger017 Stop bullshitting and read the facts, people like her were advertising on UA-cam, come to Turkey its cheap here life is better and all that nonsense, She lived there for 20 years and didnt wanna give her Dutch passport and didnt wanna become Turkish Citizen. Than you blame the government. She made her bed and now has to sleep on it. I know quite a few people went to countries like Thailand, Bali or Vietnam to get sucked in again and same applies there as well. You can have the cake and eat it too, you can sit on the fence, you need to choose which side you want to live. She is a Dutch citizen and chosen to stay as Dutch.
@zaffvideos5688 . Who the hell do you think you're are!!!!! You're rude and entitled!!! Turkey after all, other than the culture, history and architecture which they stole is just another failed country on the brink. Maybe you should follow your own advice by looking at the facts without political prejudice. Lastly, you show yourself to be exactly what you are and in lockstep with the repressive corrupt, nepotistic and arrogant characteristics of the country. Just because you're blind does not the whole world blind make. Consider the fact that Europe is full of desperate Turks.
@@zaffvideos5688 . Who do you think you're are. Your arrogance and entitlement is beyond belief. How many desperate Turks are in Europe and how many Europeans are in Turkey? It's clear that facts mean little to the conveniently blind. Have you looked at inflation, interest rates and the political landscape of that country lately? In true typical form, when medieval thinking clashes with 21st century norms, then expect to have declining standards of living, prejudiced policies and back sliding into the very century the ideology is stuck in. Have visited Turkey a couple of times but only so to see and admire the civilisations of the Byzantines, Greeks and early Christians had been robbed of, murdered, prejudiced and why they were invaded. Other than that, Turkey doesn't have much else to offer.
We have left already. We are sitting in the Carribean eating coconuts and sipping Pina Colada's at much more affordable prices. So we are happy we left. 🎉🎉
Carribeans area seem dangerous. Most People are very poor. Most of the people sticking on you to ask money. I dont think I can feel comfortable there. I dont think safety level is enough below USA border in America continent.
I’m sorry. I feel your pain. At least you have a plan now. France? Pardon my ignorance but isn't France a very expensive country? Is it cheaper than Turkey?
Houses are cheaper, shopping nearly the same. It's the overheads of the house that will be way more expensive. Keep watching and we will find out together. It we can't do it we will move on.
I'm surprised as I have acquaintances moving to France and they said they need to prove more income for residency than in Turkey! Do you have a spouse and state pensions income x 2 perhaps? It would be impossible to live in France as a single person I think unless you have successful business. Or is it just UK people being penalised after leaving EU?
I hope you find what you want in France. Sadly the Middle east has become more unstable and I often wonder are they trying to get rid of Europeans and Western People out of this area by doing this still if you get the place sold and can move to a safe place for rest of your life and no more problems then this is good I wish you well thank you for you videos.
I think France what I hear of is not safe anymore, there is no police on call, if someone broke into your property the police won’t come or comes late and do nothing too many complaints about it! Germany is better from medical to affordability especially in rural area . Keep searching and make sure to go with what works best for you and good luck!!
Hahaha that could be very true. But I live one hour away from any police. So yes, not really something I think of. But as safe as I am here in Turkey I will never be again. For sure.
French healthcare has deteriorated to the point of being a threat to life. That's why I left. And yes, it's from not just my, but several personal friends' and contacts' experiences, three of whom died and myself would have died had I stayed. The tax and inheritance rules are also a big issue.
I was in Dalyan/Koycegiz area last month. The country is great but it is run by a bunch of idiots. Therefore I will never fully settle there even though I have citizenship. I’d rather be surrounded by a bunch of girls in bikinis at Pattaya beach, Thailand than listen to calls for prayer from loud speakers five times a day while watching these morons squeeze their religious agenda wherever they can. Also the country is too expensive. You don’t get value for the money you spend. So leaving is the right decision. Life is short.
If you are going to be a racist and islamaphoic especially in a clearly muslim country then f.. off and don't come back/ Stay at the pervert heaven of white creepy men and women - Thailand. I don't care you are Turkish or not not sure because of your comment but go to the perversion then' it is not a loss for us/ Sick backward mind with illiterate comment.
@@christiaanjansen9800 It's not. Do your homework first. We have a reason to keep the title in my name. Anyway, they have changed this again so it's no longer a problem until some idiot comes up with something else.
Hi Ellis, do you and Ken have any pension benefit from The Netherlands and The USA, gosh they make it hard even when you own your house and have lived in Türkiye for many years. Surely they must let you stay until your home is sold. Seems so unfair. Can understand why you want to move on. Sending best wishes to you both from Australia.
@@AtHomeInTurkey All the best with your house sale, the cost of living in Australia is now way beyond ridiculous, I often dream of selling up and buying a ruin in Europe somewhere to escape the madness. Fingers crossed for you for sure.😇
Hi Victoria, you would know Australia has changed the Foreign investment laws as many times in last 15 years. Fact, Around 2012-2015 Chinese investors were buying every second property up for sale in Australian capital cities like Melbourne Sydney and Brisbane. Australians a specially young first home buyers were struggling to compete in auctions with investors. Initially Australian government offered the Australian Citizenship you had to invest $1.5 million dollar, soon after investors start flooding cost went up to $2.5 million dollars and bunch of strict conditions. I know number of people retired in Australia and thought grass is greener in Thailand, Philippines or Bali to live because of cheaper living cost. Ones didn't become a dual citizens are also are subject to ever changing laws.
Sorry, this has been going on for 6 months and i can not repeat the whole story in every video. Watch this and you will understand. ua-cam.com/video/N-OcC6YWrR8/v-deo.html
Truth be told.. ALL government.. presently, are "idiots".. and evil! The amount of corruption, and deceit should be awakening, and preparing "the people" of what is transpiring and what they are manipulating. One does not have to look far to see this. ☮
Im lucky... I have a really good pension income from my home country, paid fortnightly... I live with a Turk national too... I agree the country is unstable economically... But many other countries are too. I cannot ever live in my own country... Even on a good pension its unafordable to live there. I personally think that the country needs foreign currency desperately... The rule changes are reflective of this...
I would love the islands I know. But I want to travel with my van a lot, so islands won't work. And mainland Greece is not so appealing to me. Don't know why.
Your decision is very correct. I absolutely agree with your thoughts. Even the simplest decision is much better than indecision. At least your head will be at ease. After all, there are many places to see in the world. I wish you a good day and good luck. 🌹🌿🐕✨
Yes, I like to think I am in charge of my life and not some official that should not have been in that rule making position anyway.
Thank you again Ellis for these wonderful videos and the information you have shared. It is very helpful to many of us in similar situations trying to make decisions...
Thanks! I hope you are not in this situation? If so, good luck. It's was nerve wracking.
What mental torture for people! I can see why you are sticking to your decision to move! Hope the house viewing goes well.
Thanks! Yes, it's no longer the turkey I fell for. But the country and most people are still the best.
So glad you had a plan!!! What Rollercoaster!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Yes it's crazy. And a lot less pressure now we know that we can maybe stay if the house does not sell.
What a nightmare! At least you have a good attitude. I'm wishing you strength and good luck. ❤
Thanks, we will be fine. It's just not ok what is happening.
I hope you manage to share your videos in France as soon as you are settled. I really appreciate them. So a big thank you. XXX ❤️
Dont go we love you :(
Hi Elli,
My name is Lene, I only discovered your videos some months ago and I have enjoyed all of them a lot. My situation is somehow comparable to yours, as my husband and I (Dutch nationalities) bought an apartment in Antalya 20 years ago, with only my name on the deed, and unfortunately we now don't have a high enough monthly income, (for our minimalistic way of living high enough, but not high enough according to the residence permit requirements for two people), so my husband couldn't get a residence permit after the rules tightened, meaning he lives in our little rented home in the Netherlands 6 months a year, whereas I live in Antalya permanently, counting the 8 years it takes until I hopefully can apply for a permanent residence permit. Not ideal ! But due to the really annoying ever-changing rules in Turkey, we also don't dare to give up our home in the Netherlands even though we would, if only both my husband and I could feel sure about getting a residence permit here, for as long as we want to live in Antalya.
I searched for the new rules you mentioned, but I couldn't find any updates from October 2024, (also not at the site of Göç idarı) so could you please share a link to an official Turkish site declaring these new rules 🙏 ?
Thank you 😊
Good luck with everything, your plan sounds great ❤
Wow, It's so heartbreaking to hear those stories. I keep posted via a facebook group. There info has been spot on. If I need to know for sure I just go to the government office in Mugla. I have found it ones online but can't find it back.
facebook.com/groups/544167955696716
Beste Christiaan Jansen, 'bedankt' voor je advies "Please go !"
Jou commentaren aan Elli, haar man en aan mij heeft een sterke passief-agressieve ondertoon.
Wat heeft je zo boos en bitter gemaakt ? Voel je je misschien iets beter wanneer je kritiek op anderen richt ?
Ik wens je het beste 🙏
@@AtHomeInTurkey Dank je wel, Elli.
I am just down the road from you in Dalaman. I am in my 4th year of my ikamet. I live alone, therefore my Tapu has my name only. My pension is very low at US$1300. a month. My agent tells me I am fine and it will be extended for another two years, blah blah. But I will never be completely relaxed on this residency. And its not just Türkiye, so many countries keep chopping and changes their residence rules. Its a bit nerve wracking. I hope France will not end up being too expensive, or a hassle. Let's face it, you have had a wonderful life in Türkiye, and through the years, you have been a great ambassador in promoting our area's nature and scenic walks. Alles van de beste. As we say in Afrikaans "vas byt"
With a house and that income you will be fine. After 8 years you get your permanent ikamet and all your worries are over. Its the income we lack. Otherwise we would have been ok. I will always be loving Turkiye and I will come back for months at the time.
Thank you so much Uzair for sharing your income and location. The "UA-cam" algorithms sent me Allis's channel link as I have been doing a lot of research on where in Europe to make my "home base" and Türkiye, because of my old connections there, has been high on the list. Sadly because my monthly income is just bit less than yours, I've been encouraged to focus on Bulgaria or Albania as my "home base," while I travel and work part time guiding and doing historical architecture restoration when contracts arise. Türkiye, its culture and people are wonderful (governments in general are rather dysfunctional these days...LOL!!!) A few of my dear friends love it there, so I hope to spend a lot of time traveling and hopefully working there on some of the beautiful vintage architecture. Thanks again for what you have shared...
@@JayCWhiteCloud perhaps reconsider Türkiye as opposed to Albania or Bulgaria. I dont spend anywhere near my pension value. In fact, I put about $35,000 (which isn't a lot of money) into a 6 month fixed deposit in a Turkish bank. At the moment they are giving a whopping 42% interest rate. To be honest , Im living on the interest and only using my pension for travel, or big ticket items. You wont find that anywhere else. So, maybe do a little more homework/research on basing yourself in Türkiye. Good luck!
@@uzairibnuri8017 Brother, I would much love to do that, but sadly that is out of my reach as well financially. I've worked for "not for profits" most of my life, and for personal and spiritual reasons, took a vow of "poverty and service" over a decade ago. As such, my pension will be only about $950 per month American dollars. I also have lived, most of my life, a very traditional existence (last 3 years with and around Old Order Amish) so still don't have things like a car, bank accounts etc. I still don't have, carry or ever want a cell phone (though I'm being forced to now in retirement) as well as I have to have a "bank account" as everything is electronic these days. I am still going to try and find my way to Türkiye and volunteer on one of the historic architecture restoration projects and helping with natural area preservation which are my two primary areas of expertise. I am so pleased you responded and thank you for the advice too. I will keep doing research, and perhaps I will have a "windfall"...LOL...and some relative I don't know about will leave me some money like that to put in a bank...otherwise I will just have to find another way as I will be coming to Türkiye with the next year or so. Perhaps we may share a cup of coffee when I do...Blessings, j
Permanent residency/Indefinite residency permit (long term residency they call it in Turkiye) was an option for you for many years which you didn't take action. While you are right about them changing rules frequently, pls also consider your responsibility since you had chance for MANY YEARS to get prepared for the changing rules today (immigration rules to Netherlands has evolved in the last let's say 15 years as well). Asking for a decent income for temporary permit
is quite normal in any country. Don't forget that many (about 90% percent of WORLD population) can not even visit your country as a tourist for couple of days. If Turkiye (the state) would be organized, well-managed, orderly as some western countries you wouldn't be able to move here many years ago, because you wouldn't be able to afford in the first place. Good luck with your sale and your new life.
First: It's not me that has a problem but my husband, and we will leave together. This is explained in earlier videos on this situation. Second: I don't have enough income to get the permanent residency. Simple, I have tried. Sorry if I was not clear enough on that.
I can simply not repeat 6 months of trouble in every follow up video on this subject.
@@AtHomeInTurkey Thank you for your response. My point is "if you want to retire and live till the end of your life in another country other than your citizenship, the first thing you do is to get the permanent residency (better citizenship) in the shortest possible way. The two year short term residency permit (as the name states "short term / temporary") is a claim from the state that you can stay "short term/temporary". Your life decisions (such as deciding to reside in a country till the end of your life) can not rely on temporary claims by other bodies. This applies anywhere in the world. Thailand changed the rules many times, Philipines did, Portugal adjusted golden visa rules many times, as well as bluecard scheme rules in EU changed in different member states. Europeans living and working in UK had to deal with many paperwork and/or need to leave after Brexit... These things happen anywhere in the world and everyone is responsible for their own life. As you stated @5:22 "that is purely due to lack of income" - for which you can not blame anyone but yourself.
@@deniztarabya7405 I cannot agree more with you. I live in Norway and I have dual citizenship; both Turkish and Norwegian. You are 100% right. This is not special to Turkey. Rules are changing everywhere. For example while Turkish citizens cannot even get a normal tourist visa these days to see a European country for a couple of weeks, that policies of Turkey for long term visitors is changing often should not be a shocking news. They already allow European tourists without a visa. If one buys a house abroad then that person should assure a residence permit or citizenship. My partner is Norwegian-, all my relatives were shocked why it had taken so long time for me to get the citizenship here. However during my 9 years of life here in Norway they have changed the rules all the time as well. For example in the past if you are married to a Norwegian you could get the permanent residency easier than now. Later on they made it compulsory for the partner who is applying to earn a certain high income (it is much higher than what they require in other northern European countries). Especially northern Europe is changing rules to avoid immigration all the time. They also say it clearly that they do not want immigration. I don't see any open door for Turks in Europe, meanwhile the expectancy of Europeans is different from Turkey. And Turkey is not even asking for "integration courses and a perfect Turkish" from those residents. It is because especially northern Europeans see our country as an easy place to get sun in the retirement period, escape from the constant wet, icy and dark times of the north. They are then ok to be in our country where majority is Turkish people. But in my observation an average northern European (in general) don't like to see the same Turks on their Northern European streets. (This person in the video might have a different opinion herself, but it does not the change the fact that majority of northern Europe consists of those type of mindsets/people) Also all Europeans have schengen visa; moving to Greece is much easier and less bureocratic....I am writing this as a person who is extremely opponent of the government in Turkey. They have ruined so many things; from nature to economy. But this topic is not relevant to politics. My partner is an ethnical Norwegian, even though he is not Turkish he confirms and observes the same thing I am writing here. Europeans looking down upon on other nations that are not western; not wanting them in their country, voting for the political parties that make the immigration rules stricter, but when it comes to them; when they are gonna reside in a non European country for its sunny weather, they demand it to be easy and never change. Well the whole world is constantly changing, what to expect!
@@esraduzen bu aileyi baştan beri takip ediyorum. Doğa dostu iyi insanlar olduklarını düşünüyorum. Zor durumda kalmalarına da üzüldüm. Ancak değerli, isabetli ve kesinlikle gerçeklerden oluşan yorumlarınızdan ötürü tebrik ve teşekkür ediyorum. Saygılar…
@@Bencerem Zor durumda kalmalari hic hos degil tabi ki. Ancak biraz farkli acidan degerlendirerek bakmak gerekiyor bu mevzulara. Tesekkur ederim.
Good luck... I hope a buyer for your house comes soon so you can focus on the move to France in January with the money..
Yes, many people say they love the house but don't want to live so remote. It's not the 4 km to Dalyan but the ferry is the problem. And then to think that when I came here there was only a rowboat service. Or a long drive around the lake.
@AtHomeInTurkey is the ferry not regular? Or expensive?
Beautiful natural places still in Turkiye ,happy weekend
They've changed the rules in Greece too. People on a Financial Independence Permit, have had the income threshold massively increase. Many had bought. Moved to Greece totally. Now having to leave. We got residency under the withdrawal agreement (pre-Brexit), and will soon sell a UK property. Not going to invest in a property in Greece as who knows what rules they will make in the future! P.S. We met briefly at Sundance Camp just as Covid rules lifted. Katherine
Wow, so you deal with the same problems in Greece! I feel so lucky to be Dutch. At least Europe is open to me. And yes, I remember you guys. You where there with a few campers right?
@AtHomeInTurkey yes. But we both have Irish Passports. So we are incredibly lucky. We are still very much in touch with 3 of the couples and manage to see them when in the UK. One couple have visited us in Crete and got engaged whilst with us.
Where in France are you headed?
Fingers crossed for you.
I like the Islands of Greece the most, but wanting to move around a lot with my van that is not the best for me.
Succes met de verkoop
The inflation in Turkey is so high that with the same small income you can soon can not afford to buy beef and lamb or wild caught fat fish for every day which is crucial for health.
In France inflation is not so high and the quality of local beef and lamb and dairy is way better. Poultry too. And there is wild caught birds, deers and elks for cheap from hunters.
Yes you are right. Only costs like electric, internet and water will be ten times more.
@AtHomeInTurkey
You already wake up early, before sunrise. Spend a lot of time outside, getting sunshine.
Start working out outdoors. Do hard things.
You do not work for money or hours, so just slow down before the sunset and go to sleep early.
Elderly muscles need more time to recover. Sleep at least 9 hours.
Use filament LED bulbs 2700K temperature.
No light after dark.
Buy used miele washing machine before W1 generation from Germany and install cast iron drum holder from those before 1998 and it will last forever. Use both hot and cold water to fill it, so it will wash faster.
Dry laundry outside and use tumble drier only for 20 minutes to remove dust and old particles from cloth. Thus will be less dust on the floors and all surfaces and you will save up on water and electricity for cleaning.
Use solar panels and inverter + batteries for light, internet and charging gadgets.
Do not use dishwasher when there are no guests.
That way your electricity bill will be lower than average.
Your wish not to depend on an unpredictable ridiculous law makers and be responsible for your life will be appreciated!
And you will nail you move!
@@AtHomeInTurkey water in Cirali is already 10 times more than in 2021. Also springs in Ulupinar destroyed by the D400 contractor, but authorities do not care, instead they asked locals not to spray their gardens and stop growing fish:))
Electricity - similar.
Soon it will cost like in France.
I wouldnt stay either. It leaves a bitter taste.... too muxh worry never knowing if and when they change their minds again ! You will have a lot of new things and areas to explore in France 🤩 Life is hard as it is without having to worry about immigration ! We have had really bad weather in some parts of Spain with horrible flooding. We dont sell now...will wait and look more careful where to move. Some of the areas I had picked are...almost gone or just flooding in mudd...Santa Pola it is for a while longer...lol...Hugssss 😘
Wow, you are in the affected area? That must be such a drama to see. Hope they get the help they need quickly
@AtHomeInTurkey We are just in the same province. Bought some cleaning things yesterday and donated. Santa Pola is filling up some trucks for Valencia. They are on orange allert today for more rain. Its awful to see everything on the news.
Turkey is still relatively new dealing with a huge amount of refugees and immigrants, so this comes with a cost. Though the solid income rule isn't something only applied in Turkey, everywhere in the world.
I know and also understand. I will just go.
@AtHomeInTurkey I wish you don't 😢
Taşındığınızdada nereyi yerleşirseniz oralarıda bize gezdirirsiniz gideceğiniz ve yaşayacağınız yeri merak ediyorum şimdiki videonuzda güzel olmuş teşekkürler Edirne'den selamlar 😊🙋
Teşekkür ederim. Fransa'nın Languedoc bölgesine gidiyorum. Umarım burada yaptığımın aynısını orada da yapabilirim. Güzel yerleri ziyaret edin ve ülkenin tadını çıkarın.
One thing not to forget in the chaos is to have Timo's passport in order.. I think some jabs have to be a month or so in advance of travelling - though I don't know the rules for your trip with Timo..
Just rabies is the difficult one. He had a blood test one month after the injection. All was well so he had to wait 3 months before Europe will let him in. This will stay valid if you repeat the jab every year.
Also one extra health check before you go from a state veterinarian. If he gives the ok you have 48 hours to leave the country.
You sound like my mother, everything happens bad to her its always someone else's fault she never takes a responsibility for her own actions.
My mother goes to other country to settle down, she doesn't become a citizen than complains that she is not treated like a citizen. According to her, bali and Balinese people are the one has problems.??? Yeahhh.
No one rule, if you decide to live in Turkey, Thailand, Vietnam, Portugal or Bali its because it appeals to you is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Find a country that offers a dual citizenship so you have NO healthcare, legal assistance issues.
If you are not a Citizen, than you don't have the same rights PERIOD. This is all Around the world aaaaaannnnd always subject to changes.
Grass in France or Greece or anywhere else is not GREENER on other side of the fence.
I understand your feelings on this. But to me Turkey is still the best that ever happened to me. The people and their lifestyle the most appealing etc. etc.
I pay my own healthcare. Not a problem.
But I can not have dual citizenship. I would lose my Dutch passport. And as long as I have family in the Netherlands I will not give it up.
The only thing that I get mad about is that I have lived here for 20 years and never had a problem with nobody. Some idiot changes all the rules that created this problem (not just for me) and he got wisseled back after 6 months. Meaning, many people had to leave, give everything up etc etc. That's not fair.
I will be fine, no worries. There are good people everywhere.
@@AtHomeInTurkey Nope, I didn't share my feelings, I've shared FACTS only. However you still in denial. You've admitted you lived in that country for 20 years, and made a CHOICE not to become a Citizen as you didn't want to give up the Netherland passport.
In Australia we say you can't have the cake and eat it too.
I am afraid grass is not greener in France nor Florida.
@@AtHomeInTurkey Those idiots - as you call them- were trying to come up with some quick solution to housing shortage after the country has lost about 500000 units in the earthquake (yes half a million units are gone or not in a usable condition) which created the pressure on the rental market where there was already a pressure due to Ukraians, Russians as well as Afghans and Syrians. And yes, those idiots - as you call them- couldn't really think of every exception (such as couple of hundred foreigners who got effected - before you object let me tell you that most are OK) compared to the majority, millions of people, and since those idiots started to get the feedbacks from sub-immigration offices, they soon had time to take a look at those exceptions and loosing some rules back. Like it or not, but analyze and understand the circumstances before you call officers "idiot".
while i sympathise with the ever changing, (usually contradictory) residency rules, i do not think that 1.5 x minimum wage is unreasonable, it is the same to come to the UK. (£39k income to £26k minimum wage).
I agree. But to put this on people that have been in your country for 20 years without ever being in trouble is not ok. Before they never even looked at our income. Only the first time.
But they turned it back. It's just to late for a lot of people. And that makes it so unfair.
"nobody seems to care" could be said about everything nowadays in TR.
What an narcissistic way to look at it.
Sadly so. Not the great promising nation I moved into. And all the promising young people are leaving.
France is a good choice. There lots of nice places. And in the south part you will have meditrranean climate as well.
I think you wilk like it there
Yes, we have been there before. It is very beautiful. I hope it will work out.
@@christiaanjansen9800 what some foreign home- owners experience now in Turkey can be worse than some taxes to pay in France, depending in their specific situation.
@christiaanjansen9800 dear friend,
If you read my message, i specifird that it depends on the situation of 7each individual.
Some people were forced to sell their property based on new rules.
I used to live in Germany and I have my own experience of life as well.
I worked in the nergy industry and visited lots of countries in almost each continent.
I can return your atgument: France is big too.
With respwct to crime, you will get more than enough if you go to live in some nogo areas of Istanbul.
Alanya idoes not represent the whole of Turkey.
So i do not understand why you call me naive without knowing me. However is up to you. Maybe it is normal in your family to be rude.
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@@olivernjoku3110 nobody is forced to sell anything. Buying a property in a foreign country is an investment. Turkiye granted home buyers 2 years permit (and extended it every two years). Noone claimed those rules wouldn't change. At the end, if someone can not extend their permit (and was careless enough not to get a permanent one after 8 years of living), they can leave the country and use the property as a summer house with a tourist visa and/or rent it or sell it. As you can see noone is forcing anyone to sell. Buying a property in a foreign country doesn't automatically means you can live there. A rich Turkish person can buy dozens of apartments in Florida, but only can stay in US max 90 days as a tourist. A person from Egypt can buy in Netherlands (investment) but can not even visit to see it. As you can see, those are purely different things. Two years permit offered to house buyers is a privilege by the state, not a "right" earned by the buyer. So nobody is forced to sell. Don't bullshit.
@@olivernjoku3110 What a typical narcissist, no facts, zero knowledge in foreign investment laws. Plus you are the one attacking and insulting. idiot.
After this terrible experience, anyone thinking of going to Turkey, should think twice. Policies on a whim cannot be trusted. Especially after a certain age.
Exactly, before you think grass is greener on the other side, check if you can have a dual Citizenship of the country you wish to move, otherwise same issues she is having will occur everywhere else in the world.
What if I go to Norway and buy a house and start living? She needs take the responsibility for her actions.
@@zaffvideos5688 . I think you're being very judgemental on a person who has
followed the rules of a country and that country changes goal posts as new people come and go. This is poor reflection on the people holding power. However, one must always be aware of history and Turkey has done this maneuvering of people they deem unsuited to their agenda many times before in its history.
@@Honeybadger017 Stop bullshitting and read the facts, people like her were advertising on UA-cam, come to Turkey its cheap here life is better and all that nonsense, She lived there for 20 years and didnt wanna give her Dutch passport and didnt wanna become Turkish Citizen. Than you blame the government. She made her bed and now has to sleep on it.
I know quite a few people went to countries like Thailand, Bali or Vietnam to get sucked in again and same applies there as well.
You can have the cake and eat it too, you can sit on the fence, you need to choose which side you want to live.
She is a Dutch citizen and chosen to stay as Dutch.
@zaffvideos5688 . Who the hell do you think you're are!!!!! You're rude and entitled!!! Turkey after all, other than the culture, history and architecture which they stole is just another failed country on the brink. Maybe you should follow your own advice by looking at the facts without political prejudice. Lastly, you show yourself to be exactly what you are and in lockstep with the repressive corrupt, nepotistic and arrogant characteristics of the country. Just because you're blind does not the whole world blind make. Consider the fact that Europe is full of desperate Turks.
@@zaffvideos5688 . Who do you think you're are. Your arrogance and entitlement is beyond belief. How many desperate Turks are in Europe and how many Europeans are in Turkey? It's clear that facts mean little to the conveniently blind. Have you looked at inflation, interest rates and the political landscape of that country lately? In true typical form, when medieval thinking clashes with 21st century norms, then expect to have declining standards of living, prejudiced policies and back sliding into the very century the ideology is stuck in. Have visited Turkey a couple of times but only so to see and admire the civilisations of the Byzantines, Greeks and early Christians had been robbed of, murdered, prejudiced and why they were invaded. Other than that, Turkey doesn't have much else to offer.
We have left already. We are sitting in the Carribean eating coconuts and sipping Pina Colada's at much more affordable prices. So we are happy we left. 🎉🎉
That is so awesome! Good on you!
Carribeans area seem dangerous. Most People are very poor. Most of the people sticking on you to ask money. I dont think I can feel comfortable there. I dont think safety level is enough below USA border in America continent.
I’m sorry. I feel your pain. At least you have a plan now. France? Pardon my ignorance but isn't France a very expensive country? Is it cheaper than Turkey?
Houses are cheaper, shopping nearly the same. It's the overheads of the house that will be way more expensive. Keep watching and we will find out together. It we can't do it we will move on.
I'm surprised as I have acquaintances moving to France and they said they need to prove more income for residency than in Turkey! Do you have a spouse and state pensions income x 2 perhaps? It would be impossible to live in France as a single person I think unless you have successful business. Or is it just UK people being penalised after leaving EU?
I hope you find what you want in France. Sadly the Middle east has become more unstable and I often wonder are they trying to get rid of Europeans and Western People out of this area by doing this still if you get the place sold and can move to a safe place for rest of your life and no more problems then this is good I wish you well thank you for you videos.
Thanks! And the videos will keep coming. Where ever I go I will do the same.
HI how much income one has to have for Turkey us a couple.
Time and a half minimum wage. Check out this page for updates.
facebook.com/groups/544167955696716
Yes you can go back and stay on a tourist visa
Yes, and as soon as I am settled again I most likely will do so.
I think France what I hear of is not safe anymore, there is no police on call, if someone broke into your property the police won’t come or comes late and do nothing too many complaints about it!
Germany is better from medical to affordability especially in rural area . Keep searching and make sure to go with what works best for you and good luck!!
not my family's experience at all - France is wonderful, especially South West area
Hahaha that could be very true. But I live one hour away from any police. So yes, not really something I think of. But as safe as I am here in Turkey I will never be again. For sure.
French healthcare has deteriorated to the point of being a threat to life. That's why I left. And yes, it's from not just my, but several personal friends' and contacts' experiences, three of whom died and myself would have died had I stayed. The tax and inheritance rules are also a big issue.
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I was in Dalyan/Koycegiz area last month. The country is great but it is run by a bunch of idiots. Therefore I will never fully settle there even though I have citizenship. I’d rather be surrounded by a bunch of girls in bikinis at Pattaya beach, Thailand than listen to calls for prayer from loud speakers five times a day while watching these morons squeeze their religious agenda wherever they can. Also the country is too expensive. You don’t get value for the money you spend. So leaving is the right decision. Life is short.
If you are going to be a racist and islamaphoic especially in a clearly muslim country then f.. off and don't come back/ Stay at the pervert heaven of white creepy men and women - Thailand.
I don't care you are Turkish or not not sure because of your comment but go to the perversion then' it is not a loss for us/ Sick backward mind with illiterate comment.
why are you not able to stay, you have property here
Because my husband was not on the title deed.
@@christiaanjansen9800 It's not. Do your homework first. We have a reason to keep the title in my name. Anyway, they have changed this again so it's no longer a problem until some idiot comes up with something else.
@@christiaanjansen9800 Hahaha just because he is my husband he should be? In what century where you born.
Hi Ellis, do you and Ken have any pension benefit from The Netherlands and The USA, gosh they make it hard even when you own your house and have lived in Türkiye for many years. Surely they must let you stay until your home is sold. Seems so unfair. Can understand why you want to move on. Sending best wishes to you both from Australia.
We have some pension coming in but not enough. If the house sells we will be be fine. So fingers crossed.
@@AtHomeInTurkey All the best with your house sale, the cost of living in Australia is now way beyond ridiculous, I often dream of selling up and buying a ruin in Europe somewhere to escape the madness. Fingers crossed for you for sure.😇
Hi Victoria, you would know Australia has changed the Foreign investment laws as many times in last 15 years.
Fact, Around 2012-2015 Chinese investors were buying every second property up for sale in Australian capital cities like Melbourne Sydney and Brisbane. Australians a specially young first home buyers were struggling to compete in auctions with investors.
Initially Australian government offered the Australian Citizenship you had to invest $1.5 million dollar, soon after investors start flooding cost went up to $2.5 million dollars and bunch of strict conditions.
I know number of people retired in Australia and thought grass is greener in Thailand, Philippines or Bali to live because of cheaper living cost. Ones didn't become a dual citizens are also are subject to ever changing laws.
They have completely distorted the market, there is now a generation of Australians in so much debt they will not survive a market correction.
Well, if people choose to live in an increasingly Islamist autocracy, you've got to expect to run into issues.
Sadly so
What is happening in Gaza is cruel. You have a choise, you can even return to your homeland. Don't be a hypocrite.
Please get to the point. What is this all about??
Sorry, this has been going on for 6 months and i can not repeat the whole story in every video. Watch this and you will understand.
ua-cam.com/video/N-OcC6YWrR8/v-deo.html
Since you call the government a bunch of idiots, really you should leave. Honi soit qui mal y pense
In a democracy, free speech and individual opinion is to be respected. Clearly not so here!!!
Truth be told.. ALL government.. presently, are "idiots".. and evil! The amount of corruption, and deceit should be awakening, and preparing "the people" of what is transpiring and what they are manipulating. One does not have to look far to see this. ☮
My own government in the Netherlands is not doing to well too. I guess its a mess everywhere. Look at the us!
Im lucky... I have a really good pension income from my home country, paid fortnightly... I live with a Turk national too... I agree the country is unstable economically... But many other countries are too. I cannot ever live in my own country... Even on a good pension its unafordable to live there. I personally think that the country needs foreign currency desperately... The rule changes are reflective of this...
Yes, the world is not in a good place at the moment. But there are still a lot of quiet pockets to be found. I have one here. And will find a new one.
why dont you move to Cyprus or Greece? same neighborhood less trouble :)
I would love the islands I know. But I want to travel with my van a lot, so islands won't work. And mainland Greece is not so appealing to me. Don't know why.