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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Lossless Scaling's latest update is pretty wild! It can now use frame generation to triple your framerate! How does this work in Star Citizen? Pretty well! I tested on my main system (7800X3D, 4080) and a minimum spec system and used a camera to show you how it works in slow-motion!
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Test Setup
Star Citizen Alpha 3.23.1
Resolution 4K, 1080p
Main System
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU: RTX 4080
RAM: 32GB 6000MHZ CL30
Minimum Spec System
CPU: i7 8700
GPU: GTX 1660 TI
RAM 32GB 2666MHZ
Quality: Very High
Upscaling: DLSS Quality (main system), TSR Quality (low end system)
Scattered Object Distance: Medium
Water- Number Of Simulated Regions: Medium
Terrain Tessellation Distance: Medium
Screen Space Shadows: High
Planet Volumetric Clouds: Medium
Motion Blur: Off
VSync: Off
Film Grain: No
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Anyone tried this with the 3X frame generation yet?
Been using it on my rig since it updated to the 3X mode. Edit: At @5:25 with you going down to a planet. Something seems wrong on the moons right now. I have a 4090. But going down on to certain moon surfaces. My GPU instantly gets pinned at 99% usage and I'm getting like 25-30fps on a 4090 without the frame gen enabled too.
I have it's amazeballs.
It works pretty well
@@chiron03 do you have gpu hardware acceleration scheduling enabled? It should be on for a 4090. I have a 4080 super and it is required for certain operations like DLSS Frame generation. Just a guess.
Sorry. Is this in the settings or u need to install something else? Applicable to AMD only? as I am using an 3080Ti
I can't stop recommending this program to people, it's insane how well it works
Yep its very impressive!
i need a link plz
@@Ez0X_9S It's on Steam
On my rx6800 I have more visual issues with native amd frame generation than with this tool.
@@Ez0X_9S it's on steam
I'm not surprised you felt the ship become uncontrollable at ~15 fps. You would likely be looking at 120+ ms of input latency at that point, which is quite high.
Yeah I was quite surprised that it dropped that low! Not sure what exactly was causing the dips closer to the ground.
@@tenpoundfortytwoI believe there is a bug right now where in some locations in moons, if you get close to the ground your fps tanks, I have a 6700xt and a 5700X and I dip to single digits.
@@amineabdz happened to me in yela
To fix fps on the moons, I had to change the renderer back to DX11.
Opening and closing Mobiglas can return your FPS. (When on Vulkan)
I can't wait to see how this compares once Vulkan is fully intergrated (Multithreading)
Same!
when is multithreading supposed to be implemented?
@@x1c3xsoon™
@@x1c3x partial 3.24 and 75% in 4.0
Nice promo. Any chance of a bit of a detailed tutorial on using it with Star Citizen? All the settings explained, in conjunction with the Star Citizen graphics settings would be great!
With a rtx card, as of 3.23.1, the winner combo seems to be DX11 + DLSS balanced (performance if 4k) 100% sharpness and this program with x3 frame generation. Far from perfect but the best playable experience so far in SC. Hopefully 4.0 will bring a polished vulkan support.
I have just tried it on 3.23.1a patch.
x3 frame generation is generating too much input lag. It is too much even while roaming through Lorville. And artifacting is crazy when you swing your mouse a bit faster.
x2 works like a charm. Made my 45-50fps in Loreville into 90-100fps smooth AF.
Love this program. You literaly download fps for €7.
Is it really that efficient?
Ok, well I tried this and in areas of poor performance (y'know the reason you'd want this in the first place) it creates horrendous screen tearing, artifacting and massive input lag. Messed around with the settings a bit and can't seem to resolve this. If there are areas in the game where your frames can drop below 30, this tool seems to make things worse, not better.
never tried this program but I play SC with a 7800x3d and a 3090 @4k putting the DLSS on auto gives me a huge fps boost in many places, consistently over 100. In quantum and space in general it goes over 200.
I bought it 3 days ago. One thing i noticed is i loose 6 fps just starting this tool. For example not moving i get , say 49 fps. Just after activating frame generation it drops to 43.
You can toggle performance mode on, but I'll take the hit anyway over the native fps. However for star citizen in cpu bound scenarios, lilw landing zones etc, you shouldn't see any hit
with some new monitors getting 240hz you may not have to cap it . but may be thats is whats making it smoother eg less Highs to lows just mid to lows ?
thanks for checking it out for us all
new? 240hz has been around for time my guy
honestly I wouldnt mind too much if the UI glitched around, gives it some realism. Like a solar flare hitting or sumthing
literally bought this from steam after seeing your review! great videos as always!
Would only recommend this to people that are suffering of CPU Bottleneck, that have have 10+% gpu usage to spare, if you already at 100% gpu usage it will not do you any good, but create stuttering.
So only LSFG 2.3 and X4 right ? Rest default ? (Scaling mode, scaling type). I cap FPS at 60 ingame.
So if you have a 75hz monitor or less its pointless?
Well it will depend on the rest of your hardware- you might get a better experience from setting it to the 2x mode and locking framerate to 37fps.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Makes me want to upgrade monitor now. I get 40ish frames in Area 18 and 70+ in space.
but this runs separate instead of the AMD options and the ingame options?
I don't really understand completely to be fair, not tech savvy. I have a Rtx3080, should I just download it from steam?
Yeah you can buy it on steam- it's not too expensive. My other videos explain how to get it working. It's not perfect, but I think worth trying out!
@@tenpoundfortytwo thanks, definitely will check out your video
Ahhh, yes, quality footage :)
Also HOLY CRAP the game can't maintain 48 FPS even on a system like yours???
Is lossless still capped at 1080p?
No!
What I'd like to see, every 3rd frame generated, only a 50% improvement in fps without as much artifacting and penalty to input lag.
How do I use this properly ? Any advice
Does this work with gsync?
It's best not to use Gsync.
This is cool... I have a question. I play at 1440p and have a g-sync module in my LG monitor. I have had smoothness in games since 2018, it works between the 33Hz to 165Hz (162Hz*reasons). How would this be different or better for me? Are there benefits?
Yeah that's a good question! In theory as long as you stick within the 33Hz to 162Hz range, I believe g sync will still work. The real benefit is really just allowing a game like Star Citizen (which generally performs poorly) to 'look' like it's performing 3x better. You could limit your FPS to 54 and allow lossless scaling to take that to 162. Your system won't be able to maintain 54 everywhere in game, but in theory gsync will still eliminate screen tearing etc.
I still dont know how to set it up
Totally dislike the „softwaresplution for a hardware issue“ thing.
Also missing the picture quality test of it.
i am the only one that have a lots of crash with losless scaling when i play star citizen?
we live in interesting times.
How exactly do you get this frame generation? On the machine I run star citizen on I only have a 3080 whereas the 4070 TI super is reserved for the living room. Is this Nvidia tech or a separate third party app to download?
Is a third party tool you can buy for 3$ in steam
@@OneTomato thank you!
What capture mode did you use in program?
DXGI
Im not sure it's gonna help me since I have a RTX 2060 :(
when this will be added?
It's a steam program!
Steam program and helps on ALL kinds of games
Dude if I can play I can plaY!
Myre sent me
I absolutely appreciate your technical SC coverage so very much! No one else is doing that and it’s so useful!
Thanks!
Amen to this!
As a low end gamer (at least by star citizen standard) this channel is my go to reference for any performance optimization.
I almost forgot to come back and say thanks! I was originally like "he's lying."
Everyone always adverstises "DOUBLE YOUR FRAME RATE!" I installed the program and started running tests and immediately started getting a smoother turn. I couldn't figure out why this would work. If the system is already being heavily taxed by the game then how does adding more stress improve the visual framerate? Then it dawned on me that the GPU isn't being taxed as often as it should because Star Citizen is unoptimized. It sends too much to the CPU leaving the GPU idle. This gives a lot of extra room to the GPU to process the extra frames. I do notice when I really max out that smoothing that the turns are sluggish compared to my input and there are visual artifacts, but simply using the LSFG 2.3 with X2 mode and performance (no scaling) it works smooth as butter with no noticeable latency from input yet. Note, I haven't gotten into a dogfight with it on quite yet.
Quite misleading, 5:46 you say that the ship would also not have been controlable without FG as if the control issue is the same with and without. Thats simply not accurate. I just got this on your reccomendation and I knew there would be some input lag as thats inevitable with FG. But the input lag with Lossless Scaling is terrible. Even at 50fps native (150 with x3), it is very noticable, worse than Nvidias FG tech. (Yes both with and without V-Sync and with scaling set to off). This is in my opinion emmersion breaking waiting for your ship to act. You skirted over the input lag way too much. There's not sweetspot for this, if you have low fps, the input lag makes the came uncontrolable. If you have med/high fps it adds enough input lag that the game plays better without anyway. Glad it was only £7.
Interesting, I've not found the input lag to be significant on the lower end system. Steam is normally good for refunds so you should be able to to get your money back! Sorry it didn't work out for you.
@@tenpoundfortytwo No worries, thanks for replying. It's more my time to buy, install, test etc. that I am bothered about. (I don't have ton of time to play) Btw I also experienvced really bad ghosting around the struts of the Corsair. Certainly wouldn't recommend it.
@@mlegarth The ghosting around struts of Corsair (and most ships) is a known bug in this version. It doesn't happen all the time, but it's a native SC bug, not related to 3rd party apps. The Corsair one in particular is probably STARC-50198
Native Resolution with TSR AA vs DLSS/TSR Quality w/ LSFG 2.1 2X non-performance or 3X Performance would likely be around the same host framerate, so you would be looking at a 2-3X framerate for "free". Also, one other cool thing with LSFG 2.9 is that it can now intelligently "skip" frames to be generated based on how close to the max refresh rate the game is running at. Of course, it's better to cap the framerate to half/third of the refresh rate with a high refresh rate (preferably 360Hz or above) display, but even with a 60 Hz display, with a system generally getting 45-50 fps, LSFG can boost the framerate to 60 without tearing or going above the native refresh rate. This can result in less smooth images, but I think this is an awesome new feature for those on fixed-refresh rate displays.
I'm running a 4K 60Hz display. With LSFG 2.9, should I lock SC to 60fps or 30FPS? TIA.
I think in your case 30fps and use the 2x setting to upscale to 60fps!
Awesome! Thank you so much@@tenpoundfortytwo
@@tenpoundfortytwo Yes, i use this setting, but with dlss at 66%, 30 capped, 60 at 2x, when in vulkan, you can use the game at full screen, set upscalling with CAS, and you can say goodbye to the blurriness of DLSS
i think it has problems with vulkan, could just be me tho, I get a lot more stuttering wit frame gen now.
Use DX11, I have no issues with it and I'm rocking an older hardware.
@@Empty12345 dx11 stutters even more, frame times all over the place
@@runipaulino6268 Oh. Do you have 32gb ram? I upgraded mine & stuttering went away.
@@runipaulino6268 Do you have 32gb ram or more? Also the game needs to be on SSD.
You can also record the entire screen with OBS at 120 fps (you'll have to use AV1 or H265/HEVC for encoding as H264 is just too slow by default) and then slow it down to 60 or 30 fps in the video to showcase the difference between Frame Gen on vs off. The slowed-down footage also shows the artifacts better.
I will have to give that a go next time! That'll be a a lot easier than using the camera!
Mind putting in settings for SC there mate
I prefer using the x2 mode, i lock my game at 72fps and get 144.
I will use the x3 mode when i will get a 240hz monitor so my fps will be locked at 80fps.
Should include a dedicated setup of the application program. As it can be confusing to new users.
Yep true- I covered it in my other videos, I'll link them in the description.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Lieee
The future look bright.
Tried this on my game PC 7800x3d/4090 and game laptop i7 12700h/3070 - it worked crazy well on both, thanks for sharing.
my cursor keep disappearing whenever I use the lossless scaling
Are you upscaling from windowed borderless?
playing at 4K....... it is not smart and 2440p is good enough
Maybe good enough for you lol 😂
Great info. I’m new to pc gaming and I’m old lol. Any chance u can make a video on how to set this up for star citizen, for beginners. That would be great
Frame gen was invented so GPU manufacturers can make crappy GPUs and now for more money.
This is wrong. We have reached a wall and limit of moores law. Most optimizations for games are also relatively good. The next step would be frame generation. We are entering an age of software enhancements because of AI. This is why Nvidia is going towards AI focus and large compute units rather than mind blowing huge GPU releases moving forward.
You know, even after i upgraded to a 13700k/4080 i didn't think I'd have much trouble in SC, but boy was I wrong lol. I have only played during free fly events, as I was waiting for performance updates, and was excited to see DLSS added. However, dlss did absolutely fuck all for me. Then I decided to try this program that I bought during a sale and oh man. 144fps at 3440x1440 on SC is truly a sight to behold. I will finally buy this game now that I can have high FPS.
Am I doing something wrong?
Its indicating its giving more frames, but actually the picture is noticably more fluent without it. I tried all combinations of settings in SC and in LLS. Any recommendations?
My system:
i7 12700k
RTX 3080 12GB
32 GB 5200 mhz DDR5
1T m.2 SSD
Monitor: 3440 x 1440
I am having the exact same problem. Getting bad microstutters with it on. I thought it was v sync related cause my monitor is 100hz. I have the same PC as you expect I am using the i9 12900k. Maybe there is a link?
@@JamieCrew that sounds very much like what I've experienced too. What's your GPU load between lls on and off?
Hello can you reply if you have any experience with 32gb ram vs 64 with star citizen? Love you brother
It's on my list of things to do! But unless you are running a ton of stuff in the background, 32gb should be enough!
@@tenpoundfortytwoI’ve talked with people before who had production setups with sufficient RAM to load the entire SC game into ram, which they said made a night and day difference-but anything less than that was nearly indistinguishable from 32GB (ex, 64 vs 32 didn’t matter, but 128 v 32 did)
Something to consider testing!
Lossless Scaling ❤❤❤
You have such tiny pips, combat is so much easier with some of the new settings they added. Buzz did a good video on this
ua-cam.com/video/Ya2yVvM9Q9k/v-deo.html
Thanks!
The fact that the map and compass flicker, is awesome, like, it's scifi, makes sense, no?
Anyone noticing the framerate drop by 40-50% when enabling Framegen? then it adds fake frames x2 from the dropped framerate. Not sure what setting I screwed up. For example. Im getting ~80-90 FPS on SPK interior without framegen. When enabling framegen it reduces the actual frames to 60 then adds fake frames to hit 120-130 FPS. Same with Metro exodus.
Do you have Allow Tearing turned off?
I noticed that but just about 6 fps drops when I activate the program
Have the same issue. Native 70fps. FG in LS on and it drops to 50fps. Whats the problem here?
@@Wakish0069 yes didn't turn anything extra on other than multi monitor support. But tried disabling that as well. Saw the same issue explained in another video. He said the native fps will go down.
@@Bala2289 Try enabling it
Did this not help the xenothreat event? I noticed you put out a video complaining about its performance. Ignoring the none performance related issues of course.
Can confirm - this program is literal black magic. The 3x work great, though do still expect the artifacting when you're moving the camera around a lot or there's a lot going on
The only negative i can say is that its sadly no fix for the friggin stuttering that occurs in cpu bound areas, even with a top pc you still notice them.
Vulkan improves a lot in that department, can't wait for actual Vulkan release as the beta is quite buggy unfortunately, lots of leaks
@@LuismaLorca Possible, didnt get around to do some side by side testing yet, especially not with LLS active.
@@Gnarfendorf The difference in terms of frame-time stability in Vulkan is insane, specially for a beta that isn't supposed to improve things yet. Sadly the VRAM memory leaks makes LLS+Vulkan particularly unusable, unless you have loads and loads of VRAM. I'm rocking a 4070 super with 12GB VRAM and it shits the bed.
How does this compare to AMD’s FMF?
knowing how this frame gen works i think its pointless as there just fake frames yes it feels smoother but the input lag is way worse worse then the native fps would be without frame gen. like alot of people have showed frame gen is really only good when your fps is already half decent 60+ because the input lag is less with more fps this is the same with Nvidia frame gen aswell and thats better. still apricate the testing tho. side note if u play on controller u can ignore alot of this as its harder to feel input lag to a point
I'm heavily in two minds about using DLSS 3 FG in SC due to input lag, and I think here there needs to be some testing to see what it's like. For PvP, FPS and space combat, I think I will have to use DLSS upscaling for that perf gain rather than the DLAA/FG pairing. I had to turn off FG in Ghost of Tsushima because it threw off a lot of tight timings
You can use dlss3 fg in star citizen? How?
@@LuismaLorca You can't, it's not implemented yet.
I find it is worse with it than without it. It stutters very bad! How can I fix it? Tried Vulkan and DX11. Just bought it, if I cannot fix it I will get a refund.
What are your PC specs? I'd make sure you're upscaling and maybe try out the performance mode!
@tenpoundfortytwo I am using a 3080ti at 3440*1440 on very high settings except for clouds with a i9 12900k and ddr5 5600mhz. It seems like there are microstutters. Dx11 seemed to help, but I find vulkan natively better compared to dx11 with lossless scaling.
@@JamieCrew interesting! Do you have your ecores off? I imagine the 3080ti is being pushed pretty hard at that resolution, so i'd definitely mess around with different dlss settings and try the 2x and 3x modes (and performance mode).
Suprising, you mentioned the e cores cause I know it's destroyed my SC experience since 2021. However, they finally fixed the issues with 3.23, so now I can play with them on perfectly fine. I did try 2x and 3x, I actually found 3x smoother which is interesting as there's more latency(most likely indicating the microstutters are probably not latency related), I had a feeling it was V Sync related as my monitor is 100hz, I tried the in game V sync and the lossless scaling v sync and that also didn't help.
I decided to get a refund, but I saw one other comment of someone also facing the same thing in vulkan, if I see a patch note containing a fix for frame gen with vulkan I'd definitely reconsider. Thanks for the help. Your videos are really informative and helpful. :)
I went from 54 In the center of Area 18 to 166 (I have i9 14900K, 4090, and 64GB)
Forget Lossless Scaling - the preview build of AMD's AFMF 2.0 blows any upscaler out of water right now and it works with Anti-Lag enabled, latency stays way below 20ms.
We'll see, but you also need to know that in Lossless scaling there's an option to allow screen tearing, and this option reduces input lag by a lot
Screen tearing should not be an issue for most people, since almost all monitors nowadays support adaptive sync/g sync which eliminates any screen tear directly from the monitor side
Also if you already have good fps before using framegen, your latency when using it should not be a problem
3x the frames, but what does it matter, when the server fps are at 2 😂
Thank you for your recommendation! Bought it, tried it - works really well!
Will have to give this a try. Running a R5 5600x3d, 3060ti and 32g ram.
Side note, that support ship during the ground combat, happens to me a lot and they always blow up my ship before i can run back lol.
I can imagine that's not that fun if it happens all the time!
Definitely not lol. It's like they time it perfect for when I'm completely away from my ship. Cheers man, very helpful content as always.
What resolution are you playing the game at and how many fps do you get on average when moving around the city?
Might give this a go actually, seems promising!
when i scale and enter the game i get black screen only do you know why?
Excellent report again! Thanks very much. I may give it a spin
great video, i have this soft but after first try i have forgot it in steam
, i will try but what do you think about my pc ? is it enough to have any improvements ? Ryzen 7 3800x, 32 gb ram 3600, 7900 gre, samsung 49" 2k, nvme 7200, better at 5120x1440 or 3840x1080 in fsr or cig tsr, which quality ? many question i hope u can answer me, thx in advance for your support, is the 3800 x the bootleneck ? the maxc of my mobo support is 5800x3d, do you think is a good upgrade ?
Hi, the 3800x will be the bottleneck in the cities etc, so the 5800X3D would definitely help! This should give you a rough idea: ua-cam.com/video/2xrIAwPV8B4/v-deo.html
I think TSR Quality is the best option for upscaling in your case.
So that mission with the npc on the ground has major fps issues. I on average see 50+ frames and that mission in particular had difficulty allocating memory when you get close to the ground and drops me to 15-20 frames. Couldnt tell why.
Great info, thanks!
if only frame generation reduced input latency.
Anyone using lossless scaling with a GTX 1650 ? Would love to know if it's still work without to much problem on an low end GPU
hi there , so i tryed the app and it works realy well , i ad like 50fps on orison almost full graphic setting in scaling X2 , i have an integrated CPU so it help
Now it has 4x option for the frame gen!
You recorded it with a 120 Hz camera. But my monitor can display only 75 Hz xD Still visible differences there ! Let's see if I can make this working on Linux....
When the 120FPS footage is slowed down it should be visible on a 60fps youtube video! Let me know how it works on linux!
Sadly no Linux support as of now
@@LuismaLorca 😢
@@LuismaLorca Noticed BUT out of the box I wasn'T even able tos tart Lossless Scaling now. But I am also tired to tinker with it. So that will be another day
Does this work on 30 series card?
Install tutorial, please?
If this is so magical, why don't developers make it native to the games?
I wouldn't be surprised if some start doing exactly that!
They are. It's coming.
Having watched this and other videos on it, i have given it a go. The difference for me has been huge. I am lost for words at the smoothness that I now get. I do get some funny graphical issues around the edges occasionally but I can live with that. I don't get the stuttering that would come as you moved around. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
But what's the settings? Idon't see any difference when I turn on LS😢
When you press to scale you have 5seconde to click back on you SC page, if you don't it won't work
What is this thing called? and where can I get hold of it?
Lossless scaling- it's on steam!
It actually works pretty well. Just tried it! Never heard of it before, but amazing find. I didn't believe my system needed it (7700X and RTX3080 on 1080p), but indeed at locations as Loreville or Orison it helps out very well.
Does this support ultrawide resolutions now?
I found out about this program about a week ago, I was waiting for someone to make a video for star citizen, it is pretty amazing
Yep it's pretty great!
I can't figure out how to get it to work with a 3 monitor setup for iracing. It would be legit if I could.
Been using it in some singleplayer and slower paced multiplayer games. Especially like it in Microsoft Flight Simulator, game is demanding and not well optimised and runs fine on my 7800X3D/4080Super but if you go in busy airports it could go down to like 40 fps on ultra settings. And Lossless scaling works very nice there, no artifacts, input lag feels kind of the same. Overall this app is a game changer, especially if you have a stable 60+ fps most of the time.
I could no longer play Star Citizen with my GTX 1070 because I barely reached 20 FPS in-game. Since I discovered this program with X3 mode and performance, I get 70 FPS on very high settings. It’s truly revolutionary.
The problem with fps insertion is still as always, you need to have 30-40 but preferably above 60 that it works properly! There is simply not enough info sub 20 fps. But if you are hitting these levels you better have a high refresh rate monitor too. Maybe CIG will add fsr fare gen/dlss3 later.
My system is somewhere between your minimum spec and recommended, will try it and see how it works.
Can we use upscaling with this?
It can do that as well- but now that SC can do it natively, I'd probably do it in game.
I wonder if CIG is gonna introduce DLSS 3 and it's frame generation to SC in the future, possibly in more UI and context continues way. Although considering the price point of the Lossless Scaling it's still sooooo worth it to just buy and use for now even IF CIG had plans for future implementation
This is really cool. I was halfway thinking that the recent updates to SC would have made LS redundant. My son has a 1070 in his PC and LS has been great for his game looking closer to mine.
Wow, thanks for sharing! Running everything maxed, photo mode for clouds at 3840x1440 on a 3090, and im getting 120-140 fps planetside hurston.
Anyone have settings for this app?
Do I need to set my SC to a lower Res than my screen?
When i press Scale it minimizes the game and does not do anything.
Cheers
What's insane is that this tech is free and not every game has it. Not free to implement because engineers are expensive, but it's important enough to be prioritized.
3070 and a 7950x3d 64gb ram 5120x1440p my screen becomes a slideshow am I doing something wrong?
Thanks for showing how to use it properly
That would be nice!!!
How do you install?
It's on steam!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Hello! I just bought it and used it on Star Citizen, however whenever i use it, my frames drop about 20.
sorry I didnt see if you mentioned it but did you disable Vulcan and also DLSS / FSR/ TSR in game settings when you were testing?
DX11 for this one (I'm sticking with it for most of my testing until Vulkan it out of Beta). I should've mentioned DLSS (main system)/TSR (low end system)!