Oli Dugmore argues populism is a threat to democracy & the greatest challenge of our times 3/6

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  • Oli Dugmore speaks in proposition of the motion that This House Believes Populism is a Threat to Democracy.
    Mr Dugmore is a journalist & podcaster and head of PoliticsJOE, the politics arm of online news outlet joe.co.uk
    This is the third speech of six.
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  • @cloud5buster
    @cloud5buster 12 днів тому +29

    The only thing more incoherent than this speech was Pelosi's.

    • @teresasigmon5947
      @teresasigmon5947 10 днів тому +3

      I think they were sitting beside each other maybe even sharing a bottle of volka together.

    • @deanmthomson
      @deanmthomson 8 днів тому

      If you had said nothing and merely nodded sagely we might have assumed you were capable of hearing a nuanced argument

    • @Stew282
      @Stew282 4 дні тому +1

      To summarise: 'Populism' is the peasants voting for the wrong candidate, and we can't have that now, can we?

    • @deanmthomson
      @deanmthomson 4 дні тому

      @@Stew282 Not what he said.

    • @Stew282
      @Stew282 3 дні тому

      @@deanmthomson Correct, it's a very succinct summary!

  • @softcolly8753
    @softcolly8753 8 днів тому +14

    When they talk about "our democracy", you and I aren't included in the our.

  • @commanderkai
    @commanderkai 16 днів тому +91

    He basically just said "Populism is bad when it opposes me, and good when I like the things they advocate for."

    • @kathleengraham4928
      @kathleengraham4928 14 днів тому +15

      That makes him an elitist and he likes that "status"... LOL

    • @DevastationMtrsports
      @DevastationMtrsports 10 днів тому +4

      That is their basic argument. He is a quite fine representative of the democracy they are in favor of

    • @deanmthomson
      @deanmthomson 8 днів тому

      Not even close to being accurate or true

    • @hSquaredSunshine
      @hSquaredSunshine 5 днів тому

      @@deanmthomson I think you've confused presentation with argument.

  • @phillippac.7469
    @phillippac.7469 17 днів тому +80

    I think he sat down with Nancy and a bottle of vodka to write his speech.

  • @ellabrukson6870
    @ellabrukson6870 17 днів тому +77

    Sounds like one of the elite trying to talk his way out of the guillotine

  • @siriusfun
    @siriusfun 10 днів тому +16

    This is the textbook definition of the saying "All sizzle, no steak."

  • @Elena-vh6qi
    @Elena-vh6qi 10 днів тому +10

    He brought in a bullet, said this man did nothing with this bullet, but let me make my whole argument around this nothing bullet, then brought it back to this bullet. I thought this was Oxford

  • @mlauntube
    @mlauntube 13 днів тому +14

    5:40 -48 He accidentally hit Pelosi with some friendly fire when he points out the dangers of insider trading.

    • @CatDee99
      @CatDee99 11 днів тому +1

      It wasn't accidental.
      He's not a fan of either the Republicans or the "Democrats"

    • @Elena-vh6qi
      @Elena-vh6qi 8 днів тому

      😂😂😂😂

  • @davidapoland
    @davidapoland 10 днів тому +6

    His argument is not against Populism. He is arguing against anyone he disagrees with winning. He claimed incorrectly that January 6th protests were against the electoral college, then a moment later argued against the “tyranny of the mob.” Another example, he argued that the popular opinion was in favor of the death penalty. He even compared populists as a threat the same as the Conservative Party.

  • @horizonkage
    @horizonkage 9 днів тому +6

    Rich kid alert. Detached and engrandised from the human experience of the foolish plebeian.

  • @chrismoulten5605
    @chrismoulten5605 13 днів тому +16

    why are the democrats always redefining words? meaning of words? ect...

    • @siriusfun
      @siriusfun 10 днів тому +4

      He who controls the language controls the masses.

  • @mountbara
    @mountbara 16 днів тому +47

    "tyranny of the majority" Um, that's what democracy is, which is why most "democracies" are constitutional republics.

    • @Osindileyo
      @Osindileyo 13 днів тому

      Tyranny of the majority isn’t democracy at all. It’s control of the majority while DISREGARDING everyone else.
      I’ll put it like this, you’ve got £100 to split. 75% of the people want one thing while 25% want another.
      Tyranny of the majority would give all £100 to that first group,completely ignoring everyone else.
      A real democracy would break it 75 and 25.

    • @420hottboxx
      @420hottboxx 10 днів тому +1

      Exactly what I thought, that's why we are a republic!

    • @str.77
      @str.77 8 днів тому

      Nope, that's what democracy can become and hence all the safeguards, checks and balances etc. in many constitutions. Of course, not in the British one, that vests unlimited power into the hands of a barely elected oligarchy. Remaining checks (such as the head of state) are cowered into complying.

    • @mountbara
      @mountbara 8 днів тому

      @@str.77 Thank you for agreeing that direct democracies don't work, they need checks and balances and safeguards. Once put in place, they are no longer democracies.

  • @skbkelly9779
    @skbkelly9779 14 днів тому +16

    Not as convincing as Winston I’m afraid.

  • @moxavenger
    @moxavenger 15 днів тому +10

    I wonder if Oli can give us perhaps the British definition of insurrection?

  • @siriusfun
    @siriusfun 10 днів тому +5

    What a smug little chap. lol

  • @TheArcticBunker
    @TheArcticBunker 17 днів тому +37

    I am sorry bro, I just could not take you seriously after you lied so blatantly about 223’s lol.

  • @RowdyRascal420
    @RowdyRascal420 11 днів тому +4

    Getting ratioed straight to hell 😂😂😂

  • @UPdan
    @UPdan 15 днів тому +16

    This guy did not accomplish a very positive debate technique. Very fact lacking trying to tie slogans together.

  • @DJohnson899
    @DJohnson899 15 днів тому +10

    So "populism good when it's for his policies, but populism bad when it's for policies he dislikes."

    • @travisn346
      @travisn346 12 днів тому +2

      Rules for thee but not for me.

  • @DNE2012
    @DNE2012 13 днів тому +6

    At the heart of it they are trying to tell you someone with a rally of 100k means they are not popular and the guy who can't get anyone at his rallies is actually the popular candidate

    • @sim2.091
      @sim2.091 11 днів тому

      The problem is being popular for the wrong reasons, lying and manipulating the public, tricking people into believing real issues society is facing is not because of the corrupt global elite, no its trans people, Muslims and lefty liberal snowflakes 😂😂😂, they tried to storm the capitol lol this is not democracy friend, if I get 100,000 goons, some wearing pro holocaust t shirts, with me to storm parliament does it make it right?

  • @THCMusicBlog
    @THCMusicBlog 15 днів тому +9

    3:56 millionaire Pelosi must be that "side eye muppet" meme during this portion of Oli's speech.

  • @bjjao74
    @bjjao74 20 днів тому +21

    "What dictatates what is good or bad populism"

    • @oganesson118-qo7wr
      @oganesson118-qo7wr 19 днів тому +3

      A policy is agree with is "popular". A policy I disagree with is "populist".

  • @GeorgeOrwell-yz6zx
    @GeorgeOrwell-yz6zx 20 днів тому +14

    Debate has fallen to new lows. I guess show and tell, poor speaking skills, and bad jokes is what people want. Populism indeed

  • @Ikon530
    @Ikon530 14 днів тому +4

    1. There is no "group" liberty - only individuals can have liberty.
    2. Majorities are the basis for democracy and definitive to true democracy.

  • @johnsalmons4724
    @johnsalmons4724 17 днів тому +27

    So ironic that this speech preys so much on simplictic minds and fear, especially the end of it. That's what many people actually often describe as populism. No country in the world is actually in danger of degenerating towards ethno-nationalism.
    Also I'm not a fan of Erdogan, but it's looking like he is losing power. It's just democracy at work.

    • @starksenterprises
      @starksenterprises 15 днів тому

      ... and the UK 100% isn't edging toward ethnonationalism! It does want to function for its current inhabitants and offspring, though!

  • @EasyEight3674
    @EasyEight3674 15 днів тому +10

    Did he have a point? He sure meandered all over the place seeking to use a flow of words to make it appear as if he had something to say. After parsing his words I think I can sum up his argument as "Populism is bad and scary, because it's bad and scary. So be afraid of the bad scary thing!!:

  • @il400
    @il400 13 днів тому +5

    I don't know who "won" this debate yet, but I'm sad for this guy that he thinks that would be some accomplishment after that veganism debate where the lady said "your meat comes with a side of misogyny" and they said her side won
    You've lost all credibility after that

    • @007msb-tn8vu
      @007msb-tn8vu 12 днів тому +2

      They won the Oxford vote, while Winston Marshall won the populist vote! 😃
      Winston Marshall is a hero in USA! He went viral as he should for being the most articulate, logic and research speech! (In simple words for the 'poor souls' as Mrs. Pelosi referred to the populists)

  • @dr5765
    @dr5765 17 днів тому +25

    This guy had 12 minutes and didn't make a single point. Also, maybe find a tux that isn't 3 sizes too small. I watched the full 12 minutes only to see if his jacket button would pop off.

    • @007msb-tn8vu
      @007msb-tn8vu 16 днів тому +12

      He gives the 'arrogant' vibes! Am I the only one that sense this?

    • @anthonycoppin3176
      @anthonycoppin3176 15 днів тому

      @@007msb-tn8vu Arrogant, because these imbeciles truly believe they make cogent arguments.

    • @secretname4190
      @secretname4190 15 днів тому

      @@007msb-tn8vu No he's terrible. Ignoring even his tone, the arguments he makes are blatantly anti-democratic. Tyranny of the majority, "checks and balances on elections", the implication that the exercise of public will is often racist and evil, ... He's an elitist to the core.

    • @skbkelly9779
      @skbkelly9779 14 днів тому

      He’s trying to score a job with the elites….

    • @dave9547
      @dave9547 13 днів тому

      ​@@007msb-tn8vuno, you're not.

  • @satyasyasatyasya5746
    @satyasyasatyasya5746 20 днів тому +21

    One of the richest fanciest Universities on earth, and they have this kind of catastrophic mic and sound set-up?

    • @dave9547
      @dave9547 13 днів тому +3

      And students this unimpressive..

  • @dizzyg3539
    @dizzyg3539 16 днів тому +22

    A supercilious self important, entitled, inexperienced young “man” playing to the crowd. Clearly extremely eloquent and intelligent, arguably not as much as he believes. Admire his courage to publicly speak, not an easy thing to do. Undoubtedly he will enjoy the the warmth of the welcoming, righteous crannies this speech will deliver. Populism in practice.

    • @secretname4190
      @secretname4190 15 днів тому +1

      He took the whole "non-verbal communication matters more than verbal" a little too seriously.

    • @siriusfun
      @siriusfun 10 днів тому +1

      AKA All sizzle, no steak.

    • @dizzyg3539
      @dizzyg3539 10 днів тому +1

      @@siriusfunHe will have had his fill of virtuous beef since this speech.

  • @jayyelo2689
    @jayyelo2689 14 днів тому +3

    Insider trading...not pointing any fingers LOL, but would love to see Pelosi's face when he uttered that phrase....

  • @suegordon6805
    @suegordon6805 8 днів тому +1

    That was incredible speech. I’m glad Pelosi and her weirdo husband were there to hear it. She needs to lose her position. She’s held it far too long.

  • @user-dt3iv5oc6f
    @user-dt3iv5oc6f 12 днів тому +4

    Is this the guy running ‘politics Joe’ ? 😂

  • @lisareynolds64
    @lisareynolds64 13 днів тому +2

    If you are on the same side of a debate with "Let Them Eat Cake" Pelosi, you are on the wrong side of the debate and history.

  • @m.caeben2578
    @m.caeben2578 10 днів тому +1

    1. The begging with the bullet was an anecdote of what he portrays a demented member of the civilians?
    2. Later in regard to the abolishment of the death penalty in Britain, he quoted the phrase “his populist politics threatens democracy”, and later explains populists as mayoritarianism.

  • @billythegoat8634
    @billythegoat8634 14 днів тому +4

    Oxford. You have failed.

  • @amalialima8551
    @amalialima8551 День тому

    "Populism is the tirany of the majority " Crazy to ear. After lowdowns and forced vacations.

  • @maggiethompson8222
    @maggiethompson8222 2 дні тому

    My God. Bravo, bravo Winston!!!! 👏 Thank you for speaking for the likes of me, a hard working, middle class American who is sick of the global elites. They hate America, hate freedom, hate democracy. Trump's not perfect, but I sure as hell will be voting for him. God bless America 🇺🇸 and God bless UK 🇬🇧 and God bless Israel 🇮🇱

  • @tm4csons
    @tm4csons 16 днів тому +2

    What happened to the 2nd video? 2/6?

  • @spartanz7088
    @spartanz7088 6 днів тому

    That is why we don’t have unfettered Democracy, mob rule. We are a Democratic Republic, the needs of Utah are not the needs of New York. So to build a consensus among people with different backgrounds and needs is truly what democracy is. Populism per the Oxford Dictionary “support for the concerns of ordinary people; political philosophy that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel their concerns are disregarded by elite groups.” Definition of Democracy Oxford Dictionary “ a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state typically through elected representation.” Whole population vs a consensus among people, both sound pretty democratic to me, nowhere does it mention rule by elites.

  • @tjviper1991
    @tjviper1991 20 днів тому +5

    6:59 You say balance, but yet it always ends up in your favor why is that? Why is it that your side is always favored over everyone else's? It's called control.

  • @lw1zfog
    @lw1zfog 13 днів тому +1

    Oliver should seek therapy for that stale TDS

  • @SPQR7117
    @SPQR7117 14 днів тому +5

    Oli was not arguing against "right wing populism", but rather he was arguing against the extremists found on the fringes of BOTH political sides. To point at the crazies on the other side while completely ignoring those on your own side is breathtaking levels of ignorance.
    Oli- continue to cosplay your communist revolution- but try to recognize actual reality from the fantasies in your own head.

  • @meemaurice
    @meemaurice 15 днів тому +10

    What a mess! So, what were his points again?

  • @sadrera3593
    @sadrera3593 9 днів тому +2

    So many words yet so little to say.

  • @miaash3870
    @miaash3870 5 днів тому +1

    This chap is so full of himself!

  • @AndyLevy1
    @AndyLevy1 6 днів тому

    ok - so lets summarise this :-
    1) "It is wrong to believe Trump is an actor for the people... because he is a capitalist, he is a product of the establishment, he is the swamp".
    While capitalism has long supported small government, allowing business ideas and entrepreneurship to flourish, the opposite was the socialist/communist idea where the government is always defining the course of the nation at the most granular levels
    I would say that while anyone, be they a capitalist entrepreneur or a lifetime government employee, could be seen as a swamp creature as they are surely vastly connected to thousands, if not tens of thousands of people in all manner of relationships and demands on those relationships, it is the government employee who can be rigged and pulled the easiest.

  • @eirenmist2301
    @eirenmist2301 12 днів тому

    In the immortal words of one of his fellow countrymen, "Much ado about nothing." "A tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing." It is difficult to credit that he had just won a debate at the Cambridge Union. I have no difficulty giving credit where credit is due, not even to one with differing opinions, but in Oli Dugmore's case, credit is not due. He is apparently one of those who are simply "wise in their own conceits."

  • @tjviper1991
    @tjviper1991 20 днів тому +7

    1:51 Please tell me that this Topic has a point to it. 😂😂😂😂😂 Yes, that was a pun.

  • @steveluhr5156
    @steveluhr5156 14 днів тому +1

    Ok 4:10 is not wrong. Touche

  • @wjcolclasure
    @wjcolclasure 11 днів тому +3

    He didn't say anything.

    • @NaticzkaKaminskaHenryDolphin
      @NaticzkaKaminskaHenryDolphin 11 днів тому +1

      he said a lot and was on point. maybe you are too much of a 'populist' to get it.

    • @19jez89
      @19jez89 9 днів тому +1

      @@NaticzkaKaminskaHenryDolphin All he said was far-right bad, vague-leftism good.

  • @berkeliumk
    @berkeliumk 13 днів тому +1

    Bro buttering up nancy for his future political career. Smart

  • @thereareclouds1721
    @thereareclouds1721 2 дні тому

    You know that moment when you realize that the last 10 minutes was completely wasted, and the person is never going to add to the debate what-so-ever? ----> me @ 10:29

  • @tjviper1991
    @tjviper1991 20 днів тому +6

    2:27 What's with the stupid monikers? Like, how low are you bro? Calling people names. Wow.

  • @deborahwoody1915
    @deborahwoody1915 8 днів тому

    I’m sure when he comes to the United States of America Pelosi will have him over for dinner and some drink? Perhaps vodka.

  • @tjviper1991
    @tjviper1991 20 днів тому +4

    5:47 It's better than what you're offering. I don't wanna be a slave.

  • @FactChitanda
    @FactChitanda 5 днів тому

    Clearly doesn't understand the term "the swamp"

  • @mommatina8295
    @mommatina8295 8 днів тому

    I watch Rep Pelosi speak first. She was note-less. ? Then I watched Winston Marshall. He had notes and did a much better job. Then I found this guy Oli Dugmore. I was thinking Mr. Marshall won the day but now... The "notes" have it, no notes and you are just a hand waving Grandmother.

  • @steveluhr5156
    @steveluhr5156 14 днів тому

    3:15 there is so much to that story. The big lie.

  • @Greekpighunter
    @Greekpighunter 13 днів тому

    I will send in a penny dementia JOe

  • @lpmuzza3274
    @lpmuzza3274 14 днів тому

    He started off a good spirit, he isn't anymore

  • @christopheruche9328
    @christopheruche9328 7 днів тому

    This guy speak so much that he ended up saying nothing 😂😂😂😂

  • @johart9994
    @johart9994 7 днів тому

    This is the guy from LBC he is tedious on the radio and tedious here.

  • @user-mh7vx6wh5u
    @user-mh7vx6wh5u 15 днів тому +1

    Not convinced

  • @steveluhr5156
    @steveluhr5156 14 днів тому

    :40 better talk about Constitutional Republic

  • @DevastationMtrsports
    @DevastationMtrsports 10 днів тому +1

    This was sa dreadful performance.

  • @stevenkalavity9879
    @stevenkalavity9879 14 днів тому +1

    First of all, there was a mistrust of the result of corrupted processes that incensed certain citizens and not the results of uncorrupted processes. The US is a Constitutional Republic. US Senators and Representatives swear an oath to uphold the Constitution not simply democracy. The US Constitution codifies the rights of the individual above the tyranny of a majority and forms the constraints that government can enforce upon citizens. Populism is unconstrained and thus a Constitution - or like constraint - is imperative for democracy not to devolve into tyranny.

  • @lt8395
    @lt8395 17 днів тому +4

    awful

  • @LeethLee1
    @LeethLee1 13 днів тому

    the props were an overuse of emotional mcguffin :D Well spoken yes, but I don't agree with this postiion. It is of a small bubble of thought I think.

  • @carlsagan2371
    @carlsagan2371 7 днів тому

    Wow, the comments in here are fucking dumb today.

  • @steveluhr5156
    @steveluhr5156 14 днів тому

    5:20 who can argue?

  • @LimeyRedneck
    @LimeyRedneck 11 днів тому

    Starmer! 😬

  • @steveluhr5156
    @steveluhr5156 14 днів тому

    1:20 and no he doesn't

  • @steveluhr5156
    @steveluhr5156 14 днів тому

    2:40 comrade?

  • @ibjames
    @ibjames 15 днів тому

    his deep breathing into the mic is horrible

  • @robertgeiger2268
    @robertgeiger2268 13 днів тому +1

    Some englishmen are so snide (condescending, underhanded, deviously rude & impolite) with their forceful flatulent platitudes, as well as commenting on individualism with the accuratecy of a deaf & blind man, it is remarkable how well they do it.

  • @tylermcconnell
    @tylermcconnell 13 днів тому

    Ratio ☝️

  • @ca5445
    @ca5445 9 днів тому

    So distracting when he pauses to laugh at his own jokes 😬

  • @tjviper1991
    @tjviper1991 20 днів тому +2

    7:07 Again, control.

  • @carlligore2450
    @carlligore2450 15 днів тому +4

    Comrade Pelosi is correct sir.

  • @saamywaad
    @saamywaad 9 днів тому

    😂😂😂

  • @Youtubenotfreespeech
    @Youtubenotfreespeech 5 днів тому

    This guy is a clown 🤡

  • @AJ.Ibrahim899
    @AJ.Ibrahim899 17 днів тому +2

    Good commentary

  • @drizzache6663
    @drizzache6663 12 днів тому +2

    This dude is a clown

    • @williamsimon2860
      @williamsimon2860 10 днів тому

      That why he sitting by Nancy and her hammerhead husband , the other clown

  • @scout528
    @scout528 12 днів тому +1

    insider trading pelosi

  • @tjviper1991
    @tjviper1991 20 днів тому +3

    5:00 There is no such thing as legitimate democracy without a firearm.

    • @lenamcguffie3556
      @lenamcguffie3556 19 днів тому

      It is exactly your kind, those who are beguiled by a pretense of masculinity and seek to solve their lack theirof via the warmth of the barrel of a gun that fuel the far-right populism that pervades US power and media. This destructive form of governance is sustained by the likes of you- ignorant and a product biased media outlets and a failing education system. For it is those misinformed enough to spread ideas like these that frontline a threat to democracy.

  • @Steviewen
    @Steviewen 9 днів тому

    The Faaaaar right, is a figment of the let's imagination.

  • @earthforge3578
    @earthforge3578 18 днів тому

    Your conflating popularism and capitalism

  • @kavzz918
    @kavzz918 12 днів тому

    The jokes, just don't hit on the negative side. I'm getting such bad second-hand embarrassment lol. Just make your points and drop the 'comedy' routine!

  • @steveluhr5156
    @steveluhr5156 14 днів тому

    3:30 insurrection? Now he is making things up. About to turn off

  • @steveluhr5156
    @steveluhr5156 14 днів тому

    5:00 blah blah blah

  • @motorxr46
    @motorxr46 12 днів тому

    disgusting rhetoric

  • @williammarshall8265
    @williammarshall8265 14 днів тому

    So this guy knows some militia dude in the Georgia woods? Not following, but I'm not buying it.

  • @Paul2377
    @Paul2377 14 днів тому +2

    Well done Oli!

  • @peteristead2528
    @peteristead2528 13 днів тому

    Oddly enough I can’t make enough distinction between you and Trump.

  • @MattBrophy
    @MattBrophy 19 днів тому +3

    Oli, great points!

    • @TheArcticBunker
      @TheArcticBunker 17 днів тому +10

      He lied about 223 cartridges from the very start. This isn’t debatable. He was factual wrong.

    • @mountbara
      @mountbara 16 днів тому +1

      @@TheArcticBunker You would think people would at this point, know the difference between a 22 and a 15 🤣

    • @EasyEight3674
      @EasyEight3674 15 днів тому +3

      @@TheArcticBunker And according to he himself that cartridge was fired at a rural shooting range, not at a person. So why was it relevant except to try and create some sort of drama.

  • @steveluhr5156
    @steveluhr5156 14 днів тому

    3:15 there is so much to that story. The big lie.