Its an online only game. If they didn't remove it from your library they would just have an embarrassing dead game in everyone's library. I agree that they should never rescind licenses for singleplayer games, but what are people expecting them to do in this case, throw money into a pit so a handful of people can play this 10 year old game on empty servers?
The fact that a company can take away a product you paid for is ridiculous. Literal theft. Edit: Yes, many and I know that their ToS makes it legal, but that doesn't mean the ToS itself isn't criminal or how they frame purchases to mask the fact that it's only a license and not a product.
@@LaValle420 Continue to express opinions until a wide enough amount of the populace become aware to the extent that something can actually be done about it. A decent enough percentage of customer loss would already be a big blow to a company.
And people act surprised when people resort to pirating games. Ubisoft is reaching EA levels of scumminess Edit: Yeah no. Scratch what I said earlier. Ubisoft has become WORSE than ea. This is much worse than I thought.
also funfact about ea: they still sell sims 3 on their plattforms... but you have to download mods to get it to run with newer processors... why fckn sell it then?
@@darthmeticulous6901 it kinda doesnt tho? Renting doesnt mean u own it so if they suddenly take it back its kinda their right to their own property. While ubisoft is doing it with your property that u own. Its 2 entirely different thing, really doesnt apply at all. Its comparing apples to oranges. Also if u buy film or movies online u get your digital copy and amazon or whoever sells it to you cant take ur digital copy back or make u unable to access it.
@@jschannel8624 When I say Physical Media, I ONLY refer to physically buying a copy (or ordering a physical copy to be delivered to my home), not renting in the slightest, nothing digital in terms of what is owned. Therefore, none of what you said remotely applies to my original post. They can’t take my purchased physical copy unless they went into my home and took it out of my hands, which will not happen. You don’t get that benefit with ANY streaming service, they can decide to take any access to anything they see fit.
Piracy is perfectly moral when digital ownership means nothing. If we accept games as an artistic medium then replication and preservation of the games files are tantamount to acting as a small museum and should be subject to the same protections.
In the UK every single book published gets a copy in the British Library. I feel this should apply to video games. However I am not sure how sustainable this is for physical media. CD/DVDs do degrade. The copies would have to be digital.
@@helvete983 Lmao you're completely ignoring the fact you still need physical media to store it, game is already digital inside of the disc/dvd/bd, you're just changing the storage medium from that to an hdd/ssd but the files are exactly the same.
@helvete983 I'd rather not have a games museum or repository of games in the hands of a government body, especially the uk, as anti free speech and anti freedom of expression as they are. Just takes one off the wall government employee to do a bookburning event and bam years of art and history are gone. As for the viability of sustainable it is all you have to do is put the games onto an ssd it's as simple as dumping a rom.
I’m ready to not spend money on games as much as I used to. The way the culture and marketplace is going I’ll vote with my money and review bombing if a game is ass.
@@Pancake23516 I own every far cry every assassin creed so yea I do support Ubisoft fuck what Woke thinks they can drop off the face of the earth for all i care :) I wont let Woke fuck up my games
It's also not about just "having the option in the future". It's also about stopping the floodgates from opening. If companies start doing this little by little like this case with the Crew and no one from the community resists, companies will start doing it as the norm in the future. Ceo's would go "hey we did this illegal thing and no one resisted, we can do it again and you can do it as well"
Yes, especially because blocking old games will incentivise players to buy new ones. They don't want you to put 100+ hours in a game, they want like maybe 25 and then you buy a new release. This is exactly like when apple got caught literally sabatoging old iphones with malware to force people to buy new ones.
Under current laws its almost certainly not "illegal" for them to do this, since they force ppl to buy a "license" that in the fine print theyre allowed to revoke at any time--its just incredibly unethical to actually revoke all licenses and make the software unavailable
When the Crew came out I'd imagine everyone who purchased the game were under the impression they owned the game and could play for as long as they owned the game. The fact Ubisoft did a bait and switch on people should be illegal.
To be fair as somebody who was raised by a lawyer I read EULA and despite knowledge that it's only a license I still bought it. Am not even mad because I know what I was getting into.
...Honestly, this was why I never got the Chew. I knew it was not a forever game. I knew it was online only; and I have seen many failed MMOs. If you think this was a bait and switch... Kinda your own fault.
If you "Purchase" something and have the access revoked, you should get a full inflation adjusted refund no questions asked. Also make it illegal to use "Sale" and "Purchase" to describe "Rental" and "Subscription". If they are renting it to us, it should tell us on the box/download page, not on the EULA. I'm sure that would start to change the behaviour of these greedy corporations.
@@colindols4112 Ah, so coercion to sign and agree to anything they wish if you want to play the game is fine though? As if that in and of itself isn't another clear problem. I'm still going to one up you though boss, when you give them money for these games it uses the word *"PURCHASE,"* not rent, not borrow, not lease, but purchase. So any mumbo jumbo they want to put in anything after that fact has to be under the terms of the product already being purchased, thus owned by the customer. Otherwise it is a lawsuit waiting to happen, false advertising at the least.
This is quite illegal in Australia, the ACCC and our laws regarding digital purchases were updated pretty much as soon as digital goods were starting to become the "norm" for games...Digital goods are covered to the point that we must always have access to said digital goods as we either purchased them or modified to remove anything that could prevent access and no Ubisofts EULA saying they can do this is NOT applicable in Australia, they want to continue operating their services here then they have to follow OUR laws regarding digital goods.
Problem is that if the digital good requires some kind of server provided by the publisher, no government can force a private company to keep running those servers, especially not at their own expense.
@@DjVortex-w then they will force the publishers to change how they market their products. so instead of "selling" the crew for example, you would have to "rent" it or something
See... I used to be a contractor for Ubisoft, a while back, so I had access to some internal stuff, and I gotta tell you, the devs at Ubisoft are literally being burned alive by the higher ups, at a certain game release the guy who was doing the presentation had no clue wtf is going on even, half the staff working on the project were fired, so they had nobody to introduce for the position and the guy doing the presentation was literally losing his shit because it was an unfinished product, yet higher up were pushing for a release. Higher ups are literally looking to cut corners wherever they can, they kept on firing essential staff and members of some projects. Then they fired us, the contractors who have been managing our stuff for a very long time, so we knew our job well and did it at a good level, they often praised us for the good job we've done, but still fired us and contracted some Indians that had NO CLUE what they are even doing, just to save money a bit of money. Can you imagine? A multimillion business firing one of their core contractors just to save a little tiny amount of money, lol. This is insanity I'm telling you. Ubisoft has turned into a corporate monster, lol.
Ubisoft hit my etsy shop with an IP infringement and got a bunch of my stuff taken down after 6 years of selling cosplay props. They must seriously be hurting for money to hit people like me.
@@Maximilian1990 Seriously? Cosplay spreads awareness of the product and by extension, makes the company behind the product more money. Don't shill for mega corps. It's usually a bad look.
The Reddit telling people to stop talking about The CREW, and just talk about The Crew2, will eventually be talking about how The Crew2 was taken away from them, while they tell people to be quiet and only talk about The Crew3
@@Derivedwhale45 You don't just rush that movement over to the new thing if there are still a number of people talking about the older one though. That's like saying that people can't talk about 3DS/Wii U games cuz the Switch is/still is a thing, even though there are a number of people using those older consoles.
They won't be talking about how The Crew 2 was taken away because they will be playing the newest and most unpolished garbage release that they paid a crap load of money for and somehow be entertained. I don't believe that these people have the mental capacity to understand that they pay money to own stuff.
The ceo of ubisoft complained about piracy yet gives people no other option. I wouldnt be shocked if sooner or later ubisoft just pulls out of the pc market because we dont let them have their cake and eat it too.
@@Acoustic_player2024 Thier games not worth stealing tbh lol when was the last time you got really excited for a Ubisoft game ? For me it was Splitter Cell double agent on 360
"We need to increase prices because of physical assets" Games go entirely digital Prices continue to go up Ybarra encourages tip jars on top of games at their all-time high prices
Prices haven't gone up, I paid 50 US buckaroos for zelda 1 in 1986, that's ... 145.11 us moolah today. ^^ A more recent example: I paid borderlands 2 60 US buckaroos in 2012, that's now 81.62 US buckaroos. Inflation sucks man, but that's not a gaming industry thing. ^^''
The prices of certain genres in the AAA industry do go up. Idk where this physical assets argument comes from, as you said males no sense in a digital good. I just think it's fair to recognize that for example voice acting, high resolution assets as in textures and the increasing complexity is expensive. Too bad that this leads to weird production choices instead of focusing on quality, because people are willing to pay money for quality.
you know what's even sadder. developers, artists, voice actors, etc. had to pour their life's into the creation of these games. you take the game away or a way to play it. your hurting the enjoyment of experiencing the hard works of their work.
Yep, not a soul in the future will be able to experience the game. Just gameplay videos assuming they won’t get taken down due to some bull from Ubisoft.
Yeah... but there are lots of games no one can play. There's lots of old old games unaccessible and lots of great live games that have closed their doors
It's tragic, it actually breaks my heart with empathy, so much put into a game, the creative directions, atleast for successful, well thought out and captivating games Then some bourgeois swoops and BOOM, no longer yours and it becomes a shell
Exactly. Ubisoft showed how scummy they were over a decade ago by starting their always online DRM crap for single player games. I haven't bought one of their games since.
Don't buy from Apple or Samsung as well they're doing something similar by telling customers they don't own what they purchase bullshit this is what made me convert to Motorola phones if you don't own what you buy then stealing is alright.
The fact all this is technically legal just because they said like "hey, we can do WTF we want with that license you bought for the game" just by shoving a random line in page 176 of the EULA is absolutely mind blowing, the video game industry really has a problem.
It's not technically legal. A EULA that is only put before the consumer AFTER the purchase was already made is not a binding agreement That was not part of the sale where the seller and seller agreed on the product and terms of sale. But they don't expect any pushback because it isn't individually worth it to any single consumer to go to court over a $10 game. This is why class action lawsuits exist.
It is not technically legal. Our legal system just doesn't know yet how computers work. You go to the other party, you show your proof of purchase (that is why you always get a mail with all details after buying something online, it is a legal requirement) and you demand they hold up their side of the deal. They can A) hold up their side and give you access to the product, B) refund you fully no matter how late or C) Commit Theft by doing anything else. If they tell you they can't: Theft. If they go quiet: Theft. But good luck finding someone in the legal system who wants to deal with this. This is "the cop doesn't feel like running after the guy who robbed you" levels of corruption. They are to lazy to do their job that companies like Ubisoft openly admit to everything with this "what are you gonna do about it? The cops are busy eating donuts" aura
I'm pretty sure that falls under something like "unreasonable claim" or something like that. Big companies do that in contracts even though they know it doesn't hold any water at court - any court will side with consumer who decides to take that bs to court. Because company is considered to have higher power in that contract and is forcing a consumer down a certain path against their will. Whoever takes Ubisoft to court over this will win.
And Gamers knew this was a thing for decades and never did anything but keep buying games. Pirating is fine but Gamers can not cry about it now when they knew it and did nothing. The Players and ones that kept buying games are what made the game industry what it is today so the problem is lies squarely on the ones that kept buying game after game with no care for what could happen.
I played The Crew this year. There were people playing it right up to the server shut down and upto 24 hours after. I hate seeing people saying "you didn't play the game in whatever years" or "nobody plays" the game. Not true. And it was a better game than The Crew 2 imo so I never bought it. If they gave it to me free as compensation I might play it, but it still wouldn't be as good. The game being an MMO is a trick they're using to take it away. A 10 year long plan coming to fruition. It's DRM they can revoke your access to. Once connected, if you lost your internet, you could still play the game! You didn't need servers to play the game!
I had so many fond memories with the crew its actually insane. I found so many fun glitches and met some really great people. Ubisoft is literally being as Greedy and Intentionally malicious its such a disgrace. Its also just really Comical
Steam average for this game in the last 30 days is 24 players lmao. The game hasn't broken 100 player monthly average since February 2019. That's literally a textbook example of a dead game that nobody plays anymore
@@Frigorito3975 I only bought the game to drive solo around the US. I didn't like The Crew 2 version of US in comparison so I never bought it. Glad you met great people, I have met long term friends from MMOs. It's sad your space to meet has been shut down.
@@Frigorito3975 the point was to invalidate the original dumb comment. Ubisoft doesn't need justification for their action, it's their game and they can do whatever they want with it
Do not give your tv internet access. Do not connect your fridge, toaster, microwave, or anything else that doesn't exist entirely to give you internet access, either.
I used to play an old FPS franchise called Tribes and eventually their official servers shut down for all their titles. The community was able to make their own authentication servers, which functioned just like the official servers and after a quick google search it seems like they're still running today. The greed of modern game developers/publishers is out of hand.
some people in these comments are saying “you know you’re only buying the license for it.” Firstly, that attitude is what got us into this mess, secondly, then the terminology needs to change to something that reflects the fact that they will revoke access.
Yes, I'm fine with the notion that you're buying a license to use the software... but in the past, that license to use the software gave you the right to (for example) demand a replacement disc if yours was damaged/destroyed, straight from the publisher - the license entitled you to KEEP USING the software. If current licenses are allowing publishers to revoke access whenever they want, the law should force them to say this very plainly when buying or installing the product.
I still have, own and use my copy of Office 2007 ... I still own and sometime use Adobe CS5 I would still love to experience 10 years old games as the day it came out because we have things to learn from the past...
@@wisico640 Game publishers make millions upon millions, but they don’t want to spend the pennies in comparison to keep their fanbase interested in their games/company and I think that’s terrible
I can't understand how some people aren't pissed and are genuinely ok with the fact that we don't own digital media anymore. They'd rather put up with whatever bs a soulless corporation throws at them than to actively fight for their rights as a consumer. So submissive. The only reason why lots of people now know we don't own digital media anymore is either through the spreading of awareness or people have learnt the hard way by having their library revoked (which leads to even more spreading of awareness). Corporations act like scammers. If they were not legally obliged to state in their TOS that consumers are paying for a license and not a copy they have ownership of, they would 100% refuse to make that important information clear to the consumer. Even when being forced to state such info, they still make it as incomprehensible as possible while still being passable.
It's not about the game, it's about the precedent it sets. That they can nuke your library whenever they want without reason. If they want to rerelease an old game at full price with a few visual tweaks, they can simply make that new version the only way anyone is going to experience it from now on, cause they can press a button and the old version isn't yours anymore.
Public Domain is for expired copyright or willingly voided copyright. This video is not why Public Domain is very important. It's not related at all, but I get your vocal spirit.
I remember reading an article about a Ubisoft Exec or something about saying "Games should be getting comfortable with not owning games" so im really not surprised at all
Th ability for them to remove your digital games has always been around, that quote was in reference to subscriptions like game pass which may be the best option for people who dabble in tons of games but for people who commit to a few games for a very long time will want to buy
So youtube can take hush money from them for censorship too? Would be best if everyone got off this awful platform that hates its users and creators first. But hey, that's probably more "hate speech" in youtube's eyes, maybe they'll completely ban me this time for fascistically not liking what I have to say.
@@enterusername4650The campaign does not target CEOs. Its goal is to get some consumer laws in place to force companies to leave players with a playable version of a game they paid for.
@@cairox1509 that's even more impossible. The government doesn't care about us or any consumers. They actively try to demonize us for enjoying the hobby the fact you have any faith in humanity really says a lot.
Stop Killing Games needs to campaign this as hard as possible to the French Parliament, this is the best way this can be approached, Ubisoft handed this movement a massive win as long as this gets taken into the French courts because this will have to spread to the U.S.
I'm questioning WHY they took the game away? Why THIS game? Is this a test of waters, or is there some more serious reason what they don't want to tell users, fix or be accountable of? When you work in cybersecurity, you start to question these things, especially after what has happened with Apex Legends and Titanfall 2, not to mention the risks of kernel level anticheats.
Oh my sweet summer child That precedent was set before you were born The legal framework for licensing agreements is so well established it might as well be made of stone It is kinda wild watching young people discover the reality of it through server-based games shutting down
That's rentality mentality. Klaus Schwab said "You will own nothing and like it." More and more people are renting and leasing, and less and less people are owning. Rentality mentality is making people complacent with the stuff they pay for being taken away.
You've never owned software yourself, you should educate yourself on copyright, and your rights related to it as a consumer, and you need to understand that companies retain all the rights on their software. Software is governed by copyright law, you don't own harry potter because you've bought the books, that would make it impossible for creators to earn from their work. You misunderstand what "You will own nothing and be happy" is talking about, it is about hardware with software components to control ownership of it, like Teslas or Smart fridges, and renting them out instead of selling them. Ownership rights have never been stronger for people who produce content nowadays. If you want to "own" content like games and music, make it yourself. ^^''
To be fair, there is plenty of stuff I don't want or need to own to be happy about it. Like car sharing, a car is a lot of work and I might not even need it. Or power tools, pay big beefy money for a almost one time and dust collector. I'm fine with "renting" games on game pass, Ill only know if I like them as I play em. I'm flexible to change what I'm playing without spending 70€ per game I might enjoy. If I end up loving a game, I have no problem with buying it later on. That is not the same thing with the crew example, there was no intention of renting it and therefore it's scummy. If declared before hand you can still choose to spend money yourself or not. There are enough alternatives put there after all.
@@FlavorsomeMusic "educate yourself" stopped reading right there schwabite, from that phrase alone you've exposed yourself as one of them. whenever someone says "educate yourself" they mean "indoctrinate yourself" and thus is your opinion discarded.
@@nottodisushttoagen1309 I can make baseless assumptions about you too! Your comment is the mark of someone that is looking for confrontation, not conversation. Are you feeling a little down today and you need to confront someone to feel like you have the moral high ground for a little boost of endorphins ?
I suggest you look into Ross' Game Dungeon on legally attacking Ubisoft's decisions with The Crew 2's server shutdowns, especially in France. France has the strictest of consumer laws to stop this exact action that Ubisoft seems to have forgotten, or is quite literally, laughing in the face of anti-consumer laws. In fact, he's doing a full frontal assault on game preservation being signed into a petition, into a bill, and into law. The US, Canada, UK, Germany, EU, Brazil, and Australia are all being petitioned as well.
U.S needs more consumer protections on digital sales. In example: TOS and EULA that abridge the right of ownership of a copy of a piece of software from a retail purchase, to a purchase of that of a license and to a mere "licensed user" should be 1000% illegal. All digitally delivered goods bought for retail price , must be made in a way to be accessible forever , any removal of such content from the consumer by the seller or digital distribution company , should constitute theft. As that's what it is. Fines for this should be steep too, no more "legal for price" attitude these billion dollar companies enjoy. Start fining them a percentage of their yearly net worth and watch em turn into consumer saints.
They do need to be sued but who has the money to stand up to them? They are a multibillion dollar company and they have the money to hire damn good lawyers.
@@teamofone1219 Stop buying their stuff, its just that easy. Nobody needs to sue them when you can put them out of business, as if people are smart enough to do that in first place though. lmao. Also, plenty of other publishers have done this and nobody bats an eye to that. Its because people only care about what theyre told to care about it
nah they need a spiritual awakening i reckon. it'd be so much better if they'd just consider game preservation critically important rather than go out of business.
It’s more like a Ubisoft employee always being in your house from the day you bought the disc, just to one day take the disc out smash it into a million pieces
@@Maximilian1990 Not really, it doesn't matter what you've signed if what you've signed for is illegal. You could sign a document saying the company can shot you if you don't do what they want, doesn't mean they are actually allowed to shot you. Not saying what they are doing is illegal but it is certainly within a governments ability to stop.
@Xbox_For_Life PlayStation has Gran Turismo which smokes and shits on Forza racing, detail, sound, and vehicle wise, however, Forza Horizon pisses all over whatever open world racing games PlayStation has (I play on PC btw so I don’t give two fucks about whichever of these two weak ass consoles you have, only the games).
my country has piracy tax - few % (up to 10) of the cost of the hardware you buy (video cards, storage). so I had to cough up additional 5% when I purchased video card. I already paid for being a "pirate" without actually being one. now scummy publishers just outright steal games from our accounts while keep crying about piracy. You can't be on the right side no matter what you do. they treat us like we're scumbags who deserve to be ripped off.
Tinfoil hat time: publishers are also putting in efforts to take away old games because most new games compare badly to them, even if it's just the amounts of microtransactions and increasing costs.
That is actually a possibility, the execs and publishers know how to trap us all to these schemes, and they want to have us cornered and no choice but to pay so much for too little Like my boy Yakko Warner says, That's capitalism
Absolutely, especially if the og crew ended up being open sourced. The modding community would turn it into a dream experience. Motorfest can't compete on any level. Absolute trash
lol it's funny u would think they're going to any effort whatsoever XD i feel like this entire issue is really publisher negligence and apathy; their sheer lack of effort really.
As an Australian I was wondering what would happen down here as we have pretty decent consumer laws. Thanks for touching on Accursed Farms tweet. I don't even own the game but geez i hope this gets Ubisoft thinking about the worldwide market
Online only games is a very murky water when it comes to consumer protection. It's dependent on the parent company being willing to provide server access. It's kind of understood that the nature of such a product is not infinitely sustainable. Kind of like a lightbulb, you can't exactly complain to Osram when the bulb no longer functions. Where Ubisoft fucked up is revoking licenses they should have just taken the servers offline and left it at that. But we all know they aren't the most ethical of companies.
Idk what you’re talking about. I’m not aware of any Australian law that prevents digital marketplaces from rescinding access to games. Someone Australian is gonna have to check to see if it was taken yet
Im just shocked at the amount of people saying "They will no longer buy any ubisoft products". You are 10 years late to the party, but whatever im happy you finally see it.
There should be a law that if the publisher isn't actively selling or making the content available after a grace period of 5 years or so, it then gets released to the public in some official capacity to preserve and experience. That way all games will be available. Either they're being sold, or they're in public library to be accessed. If a company wants to resell the game, maybe they add content, or build on the experience as an incentive and now emulators don't have to sweat as much about being taken down because they have more of a legal standing. Likely needs to ironed out more, but a man can dream though, a man can dream...
That is why I love Piracy, it's the go to, to stopping publishers along with monopolies to mishandled ownership of product or service for the sake of profit, upper class can laugh all they want, nothing can stop piracy
Piracy isn't stealing anyway because you aren't denying that game or item from the original creator nor anyone else. Stealing involves *taking* something from someone that will no longer have it, because you took it. I could pirate every movie ever released in history, and nobody would lose theirs. Sure, there's ethical arguments about the company losing money when you do that, but ethical arguments to defend companies like Ubisoft fall completely flat on their face.
"If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing" should be put on every single video involving ubisoft at this point, they're the ones breaking the law in reality, not us
This quote is stupid. Piracy was NEVER stealing. At the very worst it's people using content they don't own as part of their career, like SSSniperWolf reaction videos, and only the UA-cam community seems to have a problem with those.
@@tristanspiteri7107 you signed a contract acknowledging that you understood you were not going to own the game only lease access too it and that it was ok for them to take it away from you at any time for any reason. Just because what they are doing is scummy doesnt mean its illegal. That said i *demo* every game i play before i buy it, if its good after 4-5 hours ill pay if not ill delete it and never think about it again.
I remember when live service and always online functionality was first becoming a thing, this was everyone's fear. I ALSO remember Ubisoft telling everyone not to worry that would would still own and still have acess to all your games even when you're offline... how theyve changed their tune.
"It's not gonna happen" when they're pushing something people are concerned will become something else, always becomes exactly what people were saying it would.
Ubisoft has now added a section called "Inactive Games" to their library... The Crew is the first.. How many will be added? It's a shame. I have more than a dozen Ubisoft games. I've always loved their detailed open worlds.
Does Ubisoft realize their actions are no different than theft?, they should be treated no different in a court. If they don't want to host a server anymore, they can find a new host.
You're absolutely on the money! If Ubisoft doesn't want to run a server anymore, cool, but patch the game to remove any DRM or online connections and enable players to create their own servers. It's not difficult to do, especially for companies as big as Ubisoft. They just choose negligence and not to care.
@@aevumlux3323 They are solid. I try to as well but Steam is my backup. While I like places like Steam, you actually don't own your games. So GOG and (full featured) CD's are a priority.
You have purchased a LICENSE to view and use it. If they revoke the license, they revoke the product, phsyical or not. You never purchase anything, you just buy the right to use it, but on all effects, you don't own nothing. Not even your house.
@@RealBadGaming52 A contract only shown AFTER purchase shouldn't ever be considered valid under the law, period. Contracts only shown post-purchase are fraud and we need to start treating them as such.
@@kinorris1709You can see the contract at any time by looking up the seller's terms of service. The contract is publicly available for all to see and you not reading it before bying isn't fraud, it's stupidity
@@RealBadGaming52 Eula can have whatever they want but you can also debate it at a court of law and claim such policies are unlawful which is what we should be doing.
Did anyone forget that Activision did this with overwatch 1?!?? You can’t play it anymore at all. I payed real money for that game and I’m stuck with the crappy sequel.
Did the same thing with Warcraft III. Completely removed the ability to play the original for the remaster. Problem is the remaster fu*k*ng sucked, and was loaded with problems. Not to mention the out-right lies they told about it's "upgrades" It was obviously a cash grab situation that they forced on their most loyal of fan base.
Going to the Louvre. Destroying the Mona Lisa. "What, you had 500 years to look at it! Why not go to the British Museum and look at parts of Greek culture before we revoke access to that too?"
Funny example. Let's fix it. It's not the Mona Lisa, but a less famous, and culturally less important work of art. The Louvre decides to remove said work of art from display, and keep it locked away in a storage unit for the foreseeable future. Can they do it? Yes. They own the darn thing, and you only really pay for the privilege to see it. A privilege that can be taken away willy-nilly.
@@Navajonkee You are right, that is a funny example. It's more you buying a digital photo of this work of art, then the Louvre employees coming to your house and just forcibly taking the photo away from you again. Then they say that you only had the privilege to see it, not to own it, and they decided to take that privilege away from you again. That is despite them telling you that you bought the photo before, so you assumed that you owned it.
@@Supernoxus Except that instead of a digital photo, it is the ability to see it live through the Internet. A privilege that can be taken away from you at any moment.
@@Navajonkee I disagree. You downloaded the photo. It's right there on your hard drive, ready to be viewed. Also we originally went with an analog ...analogy, so I don't understand why you are turning it into something digital now. At this point you might as well just say what is actually happening. You have a game that you paid for, that you downloaded, that is on your hard drive, and you expect to own it since you bought it. Then they just shut it down and now you can't play it anymore. It was perfectly legal of them to do so even though it really should not have been.
@@Supernoxus "Also we originally went with an analog ...analogy, so I don't understand why you are turning it into something digital now" You did. I just went along with your analogy as much as I could. "You downloaded the photo. It's right there on your hard drive, ready to be viewed." That's why the analogy fails. The point that you are accessing the actual art is an important aspect, since this is what you are doing with The Crew as well. You have files on your PC, sure, but the actual game you access relies on server functions which you actively utilize from Ubisoft. The "download a photo" analogy would only work with a fully offline game. And we're not talking about that, are we?
I’ve been on the ubisoft hate train for few years now, after they cancelled a rainbow six siege tournament a day before it took place. Felt bad for all of those who had to travel there which is most of the players
Thanks man, I have been a fan of Ross for years and seeing mandolorian talk about it and now you this needs as much exposure as it can get. I know I am nobody anon on UA-cam but seriously thank you so much.
I posted a comment on a Facebook post mocking Ubisoft for saying we don’t own games. Didn’t think it was a hot take to say we should own what we buy. Received numerous comments trashing my apparently controversial opinion and defending Ubisoft and major publishers. From what I can tell, the post-physical generation views the concept of ownership as archaic and unrealistic. And I pity those fools.
They're children. Once they're done with university, and they're settling down (if they can afford to), they'll reach the same conclusions as any sane adult - that material wealth is the ONLY wealth of value. Money itself changes value, but having a thing? Owning a thing? That's a fixed value. And the internet is not something you should ever entirely rely upon under any circumstances.
Some of the younger players probably aren't aware that there is a dedicated console server packed with Valve goldsource and source games, and that people can still easily play original Doom 1 which released in 1993 because of an independant network infrastructure where anybody can host their own public server, which can be connected to from any point of the globe. We live in the world where at the same time huge corpos steal your access to your game after a few years, and Half-Life 1 gets a free content update after 25 years since release
the worst part is all assets are still there, it's probably less than 10 lines of code they had to patch to make it stop trying to connect to the servers and just load the game singleplayer
It really is less than 10 lines. We've been digging deep into the game for months now and the only thing that's stopping us from doing it ourselves is VMProtect, that's present in every single version of the game. It's an atrociously difficult DRM.
@@ajogar It depends on what the server does. But apparently The Crew actually had an offline single player mode that was just disabled for no good reason.
Original copyright only kept works from public domain 14-28 years. So anything 28 years old, yes, it should be public. However, the current way they're doing things, mean even with it being public, the only thing that would exist is a recreation, not the original.
A lot of what's mentioned here is exactly why I'm trying to start up my own game development group, which (assuming we're able to make a sufficient income to keep making games) will hopefully become a full studio, which will follow a sort of code, which essentially prioritises the community/audience
“Why not check the store to pursue your adventures?” That literally makes my blood boil I cannot get over the fact they had the nerve to type that out.
Its also not just about losing The Crew. Even though it's an old game and not that many people are on it anymore, if gamers were to let this one "slide" then it'll make Ubisoft slowly want to get away with doing the same thing to many other games. And even worse, it can make other companies see that and slowly want to do the same thing. We own that copy of the game and them removing it from our libraries without refund is essentially just stealing it from us.
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца To some people a lifetime of developing a skill and the unique world perspective of another person has no value. All that matters is content. Endless content built on other content for contents sake because endless shallow distractions.
The Crew is one of the few games that I have actually bought the physical copy of (normally I just buy them on steam.) So them just taking it away is a punch in the gut. They're not getting any more money from me. This is one of the reasons I love it when game companies do stuff like what Id Software did with the original wolfenstein, doom, and quake games. Sell them for a few years, then release the source code (though not containing the levels, assets, etc) so people can preserve it and enjoy it forever, and they could even learn from how it was made.
This BS is not just with regular games. A couple years ago a really nice product called Hot Wheels ID was created. The physical ($15-$20) cars could be scanned into your phone using a $140 smart track and an app. The app served as a game, digital car library, and track interface. The app requires an online service that was discontinued last year just to start. This means that the cars and track are useless. Almost $500+ spent in collecting cars and track parts to have them be useless. It only lasted from November 1st 2019 till December 2023. Companies should be required to offer a refund or offline completed (standalone) services
I remember Ross Scott, from Ross's Game Dungeon and a huge advocate of preserving games really liked this game. During his review he remarked that there was a good possibility it wouldn't exist in the future. It seems his worst fears have come to light.
I believe City Of Heroes is a great example of private server preservation. After the MMO shutdown it was kept alive in private servers for years, to the point that they acquired the license and opened the game up to everyone again.
Imagine like 10 to 15 years ago(or further) when Ubisoft was mainly releasing fun games. Crazy to think about how far they've gone since then. They think its completely okay to just take games away from people who bought them(without refunding either) just because they said so.
I’ve never been a Ubisoft consumer, but I’ve been impacted with stuff like this already via Gran Turismo. GT6 delayed one of its biggest selling points by nearly 3 years - the course maker - and it got removed when the servers were shut off in 2017. Likewise, a post-online patch was released for GT Sport a few months ago and it disabled the livery editor and visual modifications, as well as removed access to a bit over a dozen unique cars that were only available via a Mileage exchange that was also removed from the update. All the liveries and custom wheel/paint you did got removed and all your cars were reverted to their stock base paint, seemingly for no reason, because the liveries would be stored in the same area as the replay folder, which is still active. I hate that I can’t play some of my favorite games they way I did years ago simply because devs arbitrarily decide to remove things or lock them away behind a server wall
@@superninja252 yea that’s something I worry about too. GT hasn’t been great for the last 3 games, kinda fixing some stuff but messing up other aspects at the same time. They got the driving feel and garage ownership/customization and opponent atmosphere perfect in 7, but the AI and campaign is so unbelievably ass and short it’s one of the worst games in the series. I desperately hope they’ve learned from it and past games (especially with the contact they have with their esports players), but with the microtransactions they’ve thrown in my hopes aren’t high. Pretty much our only hope for caRPG/sim lite experiences being good is if Assetto Corsa puts out an absolute banger for their next release - which might be possible, they have great track record and the next game is meant to be a successor to the first game and not strictly an online/race car only/esports title
GT4 was god tier and will never be topped I think personally, but GT7 is a close 2nd for me I love it and play it almost daily with around 700hrs in so far. The level of car detail is insane and is car p orn to me, adding VR support was a game changer too 🙌 GT always nail the handling physics i feel. I like the quality updates the game receives too like adding in 120fps mode, 4 player split screen and regular content updates, my daily car in real life was recently added the Suzuki Jimny which made me so happy lol well almost the same mine isn't the Japanese KEI version but its close enough. So i really hope they don't do any of that content removal in the future. It could be worse though, like I recently went to go buy Forza Horizon 3 on PC because its set in Australia where i live and has our Aussie cars, only to find that you can't even buy the game anymore?? As it was delisted in 2020 because of licensing issues 🤦♂️I'm not buying an Xbox specifically for just 1 game on a disc to be able to play it, so I'll probably have to pirate it unfortunately.
Another example of an old multiplayer game that's still playable today is Phantasy Star Online 1 - including the fricking Sega Dreamcast version. Sylverant, the oldest private server for the Dreamcast version that I know, has been running since 2009 and still has a dedicated playerbase. It also has cross-platform play support for those playing on PC, GameCube or Xbox. I have it on PC, but I wish I still have my old DC.
@@cultistsashthat is a pretty awesome amount of longevity honestly. Doom 2 still has an active multiplayer community on Zandronum and ZDaemon as well. We need more games like those in this world
@@SgtMjRomero I'm also part of the Doom community, but I mentioned PSO in particular because it's mainly a multiplayer game that should've died off when its official servers closed but is still playable even on a console that should also be dead, thanks mainly to fans and also to Sega for letting us do all this.
PSO2 (at least the pre-NGS) likely will follow the same way, since fans already maneged to get into the system files so much that they even made a custom launcher for the game
Your overview of private servers answered questions I've had about the possibilities for MMOs after their end-of-life. Sabotaging publisher theft is an important topic. I hope the right people with The Crew installed are able to share their files for use alongside future cracks and server redirection to resurrect that game in some capacity.
Pretty sure it's a guarantee to happen, many people want that game but there's an added push to make it happen in a form of a middle finger to Ubisoft.
This is a very scary situation. Similar to Sony pulling the Stellar Blade demo access from everyone, this means publishers have a kill switch ready. They can pull access to any game at any time regardless of purchase. Imagine if any other company did this for their products.
Right? And people are defending the "legality" of it, as if that isn't a clear sign of how messed up the legal system is already. "Oh, you didn't spend 3 months reading that 500 page EULA that we purposefully made as convoluted as possible to mislead you? We're taking your car back now because it's been 30 days and we can, no refund, please come do business with us again." I can't think of someone with the opinion that that's acceptable as competent in any way, I just can't.
@@___AVARICE___ Just, because Ubisoft said it recently, doesnt make it something now. EA, Blizzard, Valve have been doing it for over a decade now. Its funny
@Derivedwhale45 So what will happen if you want to install it on new hardware and it turns out that Ubisoft stopped validating installation to save some money?
@@Derivedwhale45Like that makes it ok? The physical disks also require an internet connection to install. What happens in 5 years when the online service gets shut down? It happened with Mass Effect 2 and the cerberus network. It'll happen here too.
@@TheMasterblahAmen. I brought ME Andromeda day 1 (I know). Needed to connect to the Internet to install on Xbox ONE. Didn't have an Internet connection. Had to take it round a friend's just to install a 500MB bullshit Day 1 patch prompt that they INSTALLED ON THE DISK! Then I had to update my whole Xbox to install the patch on the DISK! 😡
@@AtmonTheExectioner Bro, I had a similar issue when I bought the Gears of War 4 special edition Xbox One. The box said it came with Gears 4, and when I opened it up it was a fucking code to redeem on the Microsoft store. I was living in a shitty barracks with the slowest wifi I've ever experienced. Took me 2 days to install the game once I connected my Xbox to the internet because the console itself needed an update to function.
Oh please. This didn't start with digital purchases. Games were telling you in their EULA that you do not own them for decades now. Only back then it merely meant that you cannot use anything inside the game freely, especially not for commercial purposes. This is true for any software, actually, not just games. The only difference is that now, they have the ability to fully revoke access to the game, under the very same EULA disclaimer. Which is normally a pretty dick move, but I don't find it that shocking with the Crew. I mean, it's a live service, online game, what were people expecting?
@@NavajonkeeEULA's barely hold water in a court room. Its one thing for a company to say they own all the rights to your product and can take it away, its another when they actually take your product away. Which is why I hope Ubisoft is taken to court for this.
these games all had peer to peer multiplayer, you didn't even need servers. we need to go back to that time. every game with lan , local split screen and community server support
the "just play The Crew 2" people don't seem to even understand that they've been robbed. like imagine if, for example, when Sony stop supporting the PS4 they just come and take your console. the same rules should apply for digital software.
You know it’s bad even when a website named “Stop Killing Games” has got attention of the dumbassery that you’ve caused. And as a preservationist myself, I feel disgusted by Ubisoft’s recent behavior.
That's why people need to contribute to those types of movements. If nobody does anything, they will keep doing this and they won't refund you or possibly worse down the line.
Germs know no other solution besides more government. You do realize they can do this because of government laws in the first place right? Who do you think enforces copyright laws?
Star Wars Galaxies is still one of my favorite MMOs. While it launched 21 years ago and then shut down nearly 13 years ago it lives on in many private servers with many of it's update iterations available. That's how you do it.
Here's the thing: Piracy won't bring The Crew back. It's not as easy as just replacing the .exe with a cracked copy. The only solution to stop Games As A Service is to get some consumer laws in place and that is what Stop Killing Games is trying to do.
You're still committing copyright infringement, even if that like is true. You're infringing copyright and you don't know it. That's why Piracy is a different crime than just stealing, because it's also infringing those copyrights.
I remember receiving a copy of The Crew included with my purchase of an ASUS GTX 770 several years ago. I quickly lost interest in the game as I had no idea what I was doing. I really don't know how I feel about Ubisoft deleting the game from its servers because the game didn't cost me anything. However, I do think it's wrong that I'll no longer be able to play it if I decide to pick the game up and play it again. It isn't fair for Ubisoft's consumers to no longer have access to a game they paid money for. Their consumers should receive a free physical copy of the game if they're going to be doing this.
Australia could be a big key to this. We have really strong consumer protection laws that aren't taken lightly. For example we don't have to chase up a manufacturer about a faulty product, just take it back top the place of purchase and get an exchange or refund. It's up to the seller to follow up on their end.
There aren't copyright laws in Australia? Australia is also the hellhole that bans anything mature. So, maybe we don't want the world to turn into your prison colony.
From personal experience I have to strongly disagree with this statement. I also see it on a daily basis people complaining online and/or asking for advice to get refund for faulty products because they get denied. Australia is too corrupt for companies to care about the laws because they know that the government won't punish them for breakig them.
Given that Disney have recently announced a NO PHYSICAL MEDIA policy in Australia, that country could prove to be a key battleground, in this current war on consumers.
Speaking of private servers, star wars battlefront 2 2017 is getting a new custom game browser with community hosted servers, so even when the servers one day go down, multi-player will still be accessible. Ubisoft taking servers down is bad enough, but revoking the license to even download is just scummy. I don't think I remember a time before where that happens. Absolutely awful precedent to set if they get away with this. Even if it was possible for the community to hack a new online, it's now just SOL...
Arghh matey. Once I was locked out of a game I paid for because their “security” servers couldn’t handle the load. I started sailing the seven seas for games I’ve purchased.
These are the same companies that will invest millions of dollars in anti-cheat software with kernel level access/bots that roam the internet looking for pirates. They deserve everything they get.
To add to the idea of "Oh this is how this series started", when I first played Bioshock, I loved the game so much (this was around 2020). I instantly played 2 and Infinite and was very into the game series. So I decided to see how the then Irrational Games (now 2K) came to making this game. That's how I discovered System Shock, and it was also an instant hit for me, I played the series at least 10 times over. If it wasn't for the efforts of studios like Nightdive who took it upon themselves to buy the IP and restore the games back to their original forms, I would have never been able to enjoy the games that paved the way for Bioshock. Previously the System Shock IP was lost around the mid 2000s as Looking Glass studios (the company that worked alongside Irrantional games to make the games) shut down and was bought by another company who just had the IP chilling. This holds true for many other series. It's not about the game being "Over 6 years old". The System Shock games came out in the 90s, so that's over 30 years now. Should they be shafted in favour of newer games? Are their gameplay, stories, mechanics and memories now useless and a pile of wasted code because of their age?
I hate this new trend of deciding anything old as only being good because of "nostalgia" rather than its inherent characteristics. Good stuff has redeeming qualities regardless of age.
Muta's mention of playing a retro/old game a while back during a specific situation struck a cord because after getting into FF7 so I could understand why the Remake right around the corner was so important to everyone I decided to play the remake as well. And i wanted to play the original crisis core before i played the remake. Ironically i had a PSP collecting dust and pretty much a full decade after the original PSP release i decided to get a physical copy and play it. Providing me an experience that would never hit as hard just by watching a UA-cam video about it.
I'm actually glad this is happening, it's about time that gamers stand up for themselves and start taking legal action, maybe changing this whole "not owning the game you buy" thing
@@Dskater84I KNOW!!! Like that shit is so infuriating!! I don’t play any games that have micro transactions (unless you wanna call bethesda bullshit paid mod micro transactions), I REFUSE! I honestly don’t know how people can continue to play games with that in them. I try to play the apps on my phone and they’re LITTERED with them!!! Its so freakin frustrating!!! Its so so so disgusting!! I could not imagine having to see that kinda shit in my video game!
That’s why I do discs now too… been burned a few times. I’ve learned my lessons. Also, if I wanna go play PS1/2/3, I CAN BOOT THOSE BABIES UP AND PLAY. I don’t gotta pray that they won’t take them away from me. It’s nice to have that option to relive old games and feelings. I hate these new digital only licenses and people getting forked over with their money, and I hate that some people don’t see our angle. Also, also, as someone who’s been without internet at times, offline play is a must have for people who still want to enjoy games without it.
Same here. Before buying a game, i do a bit of research about it. I have been burned by a few games in the past that didn't even have the full game data on disc. (Tony Hawk 5). I think 50% or more wasn't on the physical copy if i recall correctly. It's weird how people defend this era of no longer owning games. A few days ago i asked some people if they knew if Stellar Blade 1.00 was fully on disc and the only answer i got was some BS like: "Physical media is dead", and "it's a license" I feel old😔
True. I make sure if I buy a hame that there's at least some offline stuff to do. For example, I bought the Battlefront classic collection on switch (the only way I could afford to get it). First thing I did was look for the offline stuff. I don't really care about online multiplayer unless my friends are playing with me.
@@computer_janitor I remember I got NFS:2015 on disc and I didn’t have internet at the time… discs don’t matter in some cases when they have DRM components added. But my point still stands, offline compatibility makes a game that much more valuable to someone like me who doesn’t always have access to internet. Also missing the big point that previous titles and generations didn’t need all this fancy junk to make good titles or experiences. Online only licenses/games are just corporate greed at its finest.
I own one Ubisoft game and it's still in my backlog, but the anxiety it gives me knowing that my account might get deleted before I get to try it if I don't log in for too long, that they delete stuff people paid for all the time and it could just poof - I'm never buying another. Even if that game turns out to be good, it's not worth the stress. Games are supposed to be fun, not cause you stress when you aren't even playing them!
There's many games that still are running servers because of dedicated fans. Sure there might be twenty or so people online playing, but it is the thought and care that is put into preserving it. Things come and go but there are resurgences to everything. I know of one that I played somewhat recently and that's The Sims Online, now under the guise of FreeSO.
As Mutahar said World of Warcraft private run servers were a thing for the longest time. Nostalrius being the biggest and most populated. Blizzard issued a cease and desist and the community got mad. So Blizzard decided if you can't beat them, join them and agreed to make Classic WoW, one problem, Blizzard had lost a lot of the original code, so asked the community for help. They duly obliged. This is a prime example of why community run servers are essential to preserving games. I think the practice of turning over the ability to run private servers without harassment to the community after the official servers have shut down should be something all publishers should do, but of course all they care about is pushing the sequel.
Mutah is right. I had to take a marketing class as part of my masters, and one of the big things they preached throughout the course was that no matter what your product is at the end of the day a fixed revenue stream will always put perform a spike and dip. It’s why gyms for example are a great business to start up because the way they are structured is you just need to get enough memberships to keep the lights on, and most people won’t use the gym regularly anyway so it’s like you’re getting free revenue regularly. It’s kind of why everybody is seeing so many UA-camrs being sponsored by that one company that claims to get rid of all your monthly subscriptions for you that you no longer use to help you save money. Companies want to leech you over time cause they know it’s easier and more cost effective
Remember kids, it is morally okay to pirate Ubisoft games.
And some Nintendo Games
Their trash is not even worth pirating.
Unless its Rayman I have no interest in their factory churned slop
The Crew has a pretty good map. Even the Crew 2. The Gameplay isn't as good as Forza Horizon Games but the map is huge af.
And Nintendo
Ubisoft needs to go bankrupt. Change my mind.
We should try, you're 100% right
@@abstra208 Sounds like a next gen 4Chan raid idea, lets get a massive AAA publisher bankrupt.
The devs are not responsible, the people that own ubisoft are from the Guillemot family, a bunch of billionaires.
its easy...dont buy their trash.
Agreed
Ubisoft is deleting The Crew from people's libraries and I'm deleting Ubisoft from the list of companies who will ever get a single cent from me.
not rlly a big deal game so bad it aint even worth pirating in the first place
Better late than never lol
Its an online only game. If they didn't remove it from your library they would just have an embarrassing dead game in everyone's library. I agree that they should never rescind licenses for singleplayer games, but what are people expecting them to do in this case, throw money into a pit so a handful of people can play this 10 year old game on empty servers?
@@skyemegakitty literally an online only mmo and these ppl shocked its been removed😭😭😭 they announced it was being shut down they shouldve expected it
9oooooooooooooooo
The fact that a company can take away a product you paid for is ridiculous. Literal theft.
Edit: Yes, many and I know that their ToS makes it legal, but that doesn't mean the ToS itself isn't criminal or how they frame purchases to mask the fact that it's only a license and not a product.
What will you do about it internet commenter?
Well if digital owning a game isn't real ownership pirating something digital ain't real theft
@@nerdothn892 use that defense in court
@@LaValle420 Continue to express opinions until a wide enough amount of the populace become aware to the extent that something can actually be done about it.
A decent enough percentage of customer loss would already be a big blow to a company.
@@LaValle420 Give it time, multiple egregious cases put forward by competent lawyers and it could grow to become viable.
And people act surprised when people resort to pirating games.
Ubisoft is reaching EA levels of scumminess
Edit: Yeah no. Scratch what I said earlier. Ubisoft has become WORSE than ea. This is much worse than I thought.
i dont pirate shit cuz i am a damn chicken but i see the appeal with this kinda bs... man why they surprised
also funfact about ea: they still sell sims 3 on their plattforms... but you have to download mods to get it to run with newer processors... why fckn sell it then?
i dont think even EA takes away your games im sure its there wet dream but they dont
I think they're worse than EA actually. I really hate EA too but as far as I know, at least EA doesn't take away your games. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@nicholassgourakis6020 EA doesn't take away your games........YET
And this is EXACTLY why I don’t trust streaming services, especially for films. I want my physical copy. Physical Media FTW.
Streaming services for film or tv series is more like renting not buying
@@jschannel8624 I know that, but my point still stands that it cannot be trusted. The video demonstrates exactly why.
@@darthmeticulous6901 it kinda doesnt tho? Renting doesnt mean u own it so if they suddenly take it back its kinda their right to their own property.
While ubisoft is doing it with your property that u own.
Its 2 entirely different thing, really doesnt apply at all.
Its comparing apples to oranges.
Also if u buy film or movies online u get your digital copy and amazon or whoever sells it to you cant take ur digital copy back or make u unable to access it.
or just pirate it lol
@@jschannel8624 When I say Physical Media, I ONLY refer to physically buying a copy (or ordering a physical copy to be delivered to my home), not renting in the slightest, nothing digital in terms of what is owned. Therefore, none of what you said remotely applies to my original post. They can’t take my purchased physical copy unless they went into my home and took it out of my hands, which will not happen. You don’t get that benefit with ANY streaming service, they can decide to take any access to anything they see fit.
Piracy is perfectly moral when digital ownership means nothing. If we accept games as an artistic medium then replication and preservation of the games files are tantamount to acting as a small museum and should be subject to the same protections.
In the UK every single book published gets a copy in the British Library. I feel this should apply to video games.
However I am not sure how sustainable this is for physical media. CD/DVDs do degrade. The copies would have to be digital.
@@helvete983 you can get a usb of whatever game you want. Like there needs to be a pan ultimate emulator somewhere
@@helvete983 Lmao you're completely ignoring the fact you still need physical media to store it, game is already digital inside of the disc/dvd/bd, you're just changing the storage medium from that to an hdd/ssd but the files are exactly the same.
@helvete983 I'd rather not have a games museum or repository of games in the hands of a government body, especially the uk, as anti free speech and anti freedom of expression as they are. Just takes one off the wall government employee to do a bookburning event and bam years of art and history are gone. As for the viability of sustainable it is all you have to do is put the games onto an ssd it's as simple as dumping a rom.
Digital ownership means something tho. That's why the actual owners of digital ip's are allowed to do whatever they want with said ip's
"Get used to not owning your games"
OK then, get used to not owning my money.
I’m ready to not spend money on games as much as I used to. The way the culture and marketplace is going I’ll vote with my money and review bombing if a game is ass.
thats ok people like me can support them they dont need ya all and my view is fuck Crew 1 that game was trash
@@TwistedSecrets777 Ubisoft shill
@@Pancake23516 I own every far cry every assassin creed so yea I do support Ubisoft fuck what Woke thinks they can drop off the face of the earth for all i care :) I wont let Woke fuck up my games
@@TwistedSecrets777 It´s not about the game. It´s about you´re buying something and it gets taken way.
It's also not about just "having the option in the future". It's also about stopping the floodgates from opening. If companies start doing this little by little like this case with the Crew and no one from the community resists, companies will start doing it as the norm in the future. Ceo's would go "hey we did this illegal thing and no one resisted, we can do it again and you can do it as well"
Yes, especially because blocking old games will incentivise players to buy new ones. They don't want you to put 100+ hours in a game, they want like maybe 25 and then you buy a new release.
This is exactly like when apple got caught literally sabatoging old iphones with malware to force people to buy new ones.
Under current laws its almost certainly not "illegal" for them to do this, since they force ppl to buy a "license" that in the fine print theyre allowed to revoke at any time--its just incredibly unethical to actually revoke all licenses and make the software unavailable
@@mediumvillain unethical actions are what lead to legislation against unethical bullshit. See: slavery See also: theft.
Gamers deserve it anyway, they always complain then keep giving money to these corporations
Why would you resist someone doing something that's legal?
When the Crew came out I'd imagine everyone who purchased the game were under the impression they owned the game and could play for as long as they owned the game. The fact Ubisoft did a bait and switch on people should be illegal.
it actually is illegal, but due to vague legal mumbo jumbo when you tick the ''i agree'' box when you get into the game. you consent to it
To be fair as somebody who was raised by a lawyer I read EULA and despite knowledge that it's only a license I still bought it. Am not even mad because I know what I was getting into.
...Honestly, this was why I never got the Chew. I knew it was not a forever game. I knew it was online only; and I have seen many failed MMOs. If you think this was a bait and switch... Kinda your own fault.
If you "Purchase" something and have the access revoked, you should get a full inflation adjusted refund no questions asked. Also make it illegal to use "Sale" and "Purchase" to describe "Rental" and "Subscription". If they are renting it to us, it should tell us on the box/download page, not on the EULA.
I'm sure that would start to change the behaviour of these greedy corporations.
@@colindols4112 Ah, so coercion to sign and agree to anything they wish if you want to play the game is fine though? As if that in and of itself isn't another clear problem.
I'm still going to one up you though boss, when you give them money for these games it uses the word *"PURCHASE,"* not rent, not borrow, not lease, but purchase. So any mumbo jumbo they want to put in anything after that fact has to be under the terms of the product already being purchased, thus owned by the customer. Otherwise it is a lawsuit waiting to happen, false advertising at the least.
This is quite illegal in Australia, the ACCC and our laws regarding digital purchases were updated pretty much as soon as digital goods were starting to become the "norm" for games...Digital goods are covered to the point that we must always have access to said digital goods as we either purchased them or modified to remove anything that could prevent access and no Ubisofts EULA saying they can do this is NOT applicable in Australia, they want to continue operating their services here then they have to follow OUR laws regarding digital goods.
W Australian laws
😂
Problem is that if the digital good requires some kind of server provided by the publisher, no government can force a private company to keep running those servers, especially not at their own expense.
So vpn and creat an account in Australia to be protected..good ideam
@@DjVortex-w then they will force the publishers to change how they market their products. so instead of "selling" the crew for example, you would have to "rent" it or something
See... I used to be a contractor for Ubisoft, a while back, so I had access to some internal stuff, and I gotta tell you, the devs at Ubisoft are literally being burned alive by the higher ups, at a certain game release the guy who was doing the presentation had no clue wtf is going on even, half the staff working on the project were fired, so they had nobody to introduce for the position and the guy doing the presentation was literally losing his shit because it was an unfinished product, yet higher up were pushing for a release. Higher ups are literally looking to cut corners wherever they can, they kept on firing essential staff and members of some projects. Then they fired us, the contractors who have been managing our stuff for a very long time, so we knew our job well and did it at a good level, they often praised us for the good job we've done, but still fired us and contracted some Indians that had NO CLUE what they are even doing, just to save money a bit of money. Can you imagine? A multimillion business firing one of their core contractors just to save a little tiny amount of money, lol. This is insanity I'm telling you. Ubisoft has turned into a corporate monster, lol.
I know Ubisoft is scummy and all but... Proof?
Minimum viable product eh. Thank you for your insight.
I rarely blame the actual developers, this bullshit is usually caused by greedy corporate suits or investors pushing them too hard
Please use paragraphs... I'm not reading that.
@@WhoCaresAbtU I'm not natively English, so you'll have to excuse me.
Ubisoft hit my etsy shop with an IP infringement and got a bunch of my stuff taken down after 6 years of selling cosplay props. They must seriously be hurting for money to hit people like me.
Or they are just protecting their intellectual property 🤷♂️
@@Maximilian1990 theyre a million dollar corperation theyll survive.
oh my bad billion dollar.
@@Maximilian1990Protecting it from what? Fans?
@@Maximilian1990 Seriously? Cosplay spreads awareness of the product and by extension, makes the company behind the product more money.
Don't shill for mega corps. It's usually a bad look.
@@g3n0sc1d3thy get the same treatment like blizz:
Multi dollar company
The Reddit telling people to stop talking about The CREW, and just talk about The Crew2, will eventually be talking about how The Crew2 was taken away from them, while they tell people to be quiet and only talk about The Crew3
And that fine, people will move on eventually and it's for the best long term since millions of people are already moving on as usual
@@Derivedwhale45 You don't just rush that movement over to the new thing if there are still a number of people talking about the older one though. That's like saying that people can't talk about 3DS/Wii U games cuz the Switch is/still is a thing, even though there are a number of people using those older consoles.
Hard to be quiet with the *SCREECHING OF THAT MOVING GOALPOST UBISOFT FFS!*
What do you mean there’s no such thing as The Crew in Ba Sing Se, only The Crew 2
They won't be talking about how The Crew 2 was taken away because they will be playing the newest and most unpolished garbage release that they paid a crap load of money for and somehow be entertained. I don't believe that these people have the mental capacity to understand that they pay money to own stuff.
The ceo of ubisoft complained about piracy yet gives people no other option. I wouldnt be shocked if sooner or later ubisoft just pulls out of the pc market because we dont let them have their cake and eat it too.
People could just not play the games they don't have to steal them.
Sadly unless some offline patch can be made, The Crew isn't even avalable through that method!
@@Acoustic_player2024 Thier games not worth stealing tbh lol when was the last time you got really excited for a Ubisoft game ? For me it was Splitter Cell double agent on 360
@@Acoustic_player2024 are you actually this dense ?
@@Carrion0409 it's litteraly a fact that it's stealing
"We need to increase prices because of physical assets"
Games go entirely digital
Prices continue to go up
Ybarra encourages tip jars on top of games at their all-time high prices
Prices haven't gone up, I paid 50 US buckaroos for zelda 1 in 1986, that's ... 145.11 us moolah today. ^^
A more recent example: I paid borderlands 2 60 US buckaroos in 2012, that's now 81.62 US buckaroos.
Inflation sucks man, but that's not a gaming industry thing. ^^''
The prices of certain genres in the AAA industry do go up. Idk where this physical assets argument comes from, as you said males no sense in a digital good. I just think it's fair to recognize that for example voice acting, high resolution assets as in textures and the increasing complexity is expensive.
Too bad that this leads to weird production choices instead of focusing on quality, because people are willing to pay money for quality.
you know what's even sadder. developers, artists, voice actors, etc. had to pour their life's into the creation of these games. you take the game away or a way to play it. your hurting the enjoyment of experiencing the hard works of their work.
Yep, not a soul in the future will be able to experience the game. Just gameplay videos assuming they won’t get taken down due to some bull from Ubisoft.
Yeah... but there are lots of games no one can play. There's lots of old old games unaccessible and lots of great live games that have closed their doors
It's tragic, it actually breaks my heart with empathy, so much put into a game, the creative directions, atleast for successful, well thought out and captivating games
Then some bourgeois swoops and BOOM, no longer yours and it becomes a shell
For real not only is it a fk u to gamers but everyone that worked on the game
All that work for nothing
Ubisoft can’t take away my games when I was never purchasing anything from them to begin with.
Exactly. Ubisoft showed how scummy they were over a decade ago by starting their always online DRM crap for single player games. I haven't bought one of their games since.
good man! Every once in a while, I get a little more faith in humanity.
Today it was you.
Ubisoft is not the only publisher doing this. This will eventually hit everyone.
Don't buy from Apple or Samsung as well they're doing something similar by telling customers they don't own what they purchase bullshit this is what made me convert to Motorola phones if you don't own what you buy then stealing is alright.
That’s a little short sighted. If we let Ubisoft get away with this, the others will do the same!
The fact all this is technically legal just because they said like "hey, we can do WTF we want with that license you bought for the game" just by shoving a random line in page 176 of the EULA is absolutely mind blowing, the video game industry really has a problem.
It's not technically legal. A EULA that is only put before the consumer AFTER the purchase was already made is not a binding agreement That was not part of the sale where the seller and seller agreed on the product and terms of sale.
But they don't expect any pushback because it isn't individually worth it to any single consumer to go to court over a $10 game.
This is why class action lawsuits exist.
@@GeorgeMonet still you cant sue these companies they'll just pay 2 million which is like 2 cents for them and move on
It is not technically legal. Our legal system just doesn't know yet how computers work.
You go to the other party, you show your proof of purchase (that is why you always get a mail with all details after buying something online, it is a legal requirement) and you demand they hold up their side of the deal. They can A) hold up their side and give you access to the product, B) refund you fully no matter how late or C) Commit Theft by doing anything else. If they tell you they can't: Theft. If they go quiet: Theft.
But good luck finding someone in the legal system who wants to deal with this. This is "the cop doesn't feel like running after the guy who robbed you" levels of corruption. They are to lazy to do their job that companies like Ubisoft openly admit to everything with this "what are you gonna do about it? The cops are busy eating donuts" aura
I'm pretty sure that falls under something like "unreasonable claim" or something like that. Big companies do that in contracts even though they know it doesn't hold any water at court - any court will side with consumer who decides to take that bs to court. Because company is considered to have higher power in that contract and is forcing a consumer down a certain path against their will.
Whoever takes Ubisoft to court over this will win.
And Gamers knew this was a thing for decades and never did anything but keep buying games. Pirating is fine but Gamers can not cry about it now when they knew it and did nothing. The Players and ones that kept buying games are what made the game industry what it is today so the problem is lies squarely on the ones that kept buying game after game with no care for what could happen.
I played The Crew this year. There were people playing it right up to the server shut down and upto 24 hours after. I hate seeing people saying "you didn't play the game in whatever years" or "nobody plays" the game. Not true. And it was a better game than The Crew 2 imo so I never bought it. If they gave it to me free as compensation I might play it, but it still wouldn't be as good.
The game being an MMO is a trick they're using to take it away. A 10 year long plan coming to fruition. It's DRM they can revoke your access to. Once connected, if you lost your internet, you could still play the game! You didn't need servers to play the game!
I had so many fond memories with the crew its actually insane. I found so many fun glitches and met some really great people. Ubisoft is literally being as Greedy and Intentionally malicious its such a disgrace. Its also just really Comical
Steam average for this game in the last 30 days is 24 players lmao. The game hasn't broken 100 player monthly average since February 2019. That's literally a textbook example of a dead game that nobody plays anymore
@@Frigorito3975 I only bought the game to drive solo around the US. I didn't like The Crew 2 version of US in comparison so I never bought it. Glad you met great people, I have met long term friends from MMOs. It's sad your space to meet has been shut down.
@Maximilian1990 That is true, but that just doesnt justify what ubisoft did.
@@Frigorito3975 the point was to invalidate the original dumb comment. Ubisoft doesn't need justification for their action, it's their game and they can do whatever they want with it
Literally the equivelant of buying a TV and then having the company you bought the TV from take it back a few years later without refunding you
Roku:
Basically what Roku is doing if you don't agree with their new terms of service.
Do not give your tv internet access. Do not connect your fridge, toaster, microwave, or anything else that doesn't exist entirely to give you internet access, either.
I used to play an old FPS franchise called Tribes and eventually their official servers shut down for all their titles. The community was able to make their own authentication servers, which functioned just like the official servers and after a quick google search it seems like they're still running today. The greed of modern game developers/publishers is out of hand.
best game ever
The aligned transformers games had something similiar with reenergized, its awesome, no idea why companies are against it.
Ubisoft needs to get comfortable with not having customers
This
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Ubisoft will shutdown fairly quickly if they treat their customers like this.
some people in these comments are saying “you know you’re only buying the license for it.” Firstly, that attitude is what got us into this mess, secondly, then the terminology needs to change to something that reflects the fact that they will revoke access.
Yes, I'm fine with the notion that you're buying a license to use the software... but in the past, that license to use the software gave you the right to (for example) demand a replacement disc if yours was damaged/destroyed, straight from the publisher - the license entitled you to KEEP USING the software.
If current licenses are allowing publishers to revoke access whenever they want, the law should force them to say this very plainly when buying or installing the product.
I still have, own and use my copy of Office 2007 ...
I still own and sometime use Adobe CS5
I would still love to experience 10 years old games as the day it came out because we have things to learn from the past...
@@wisico640 Game publishers make millions upon millions, but they don’t want to spend the pennies in comparison to keep their fanbase interested in their games/company and I think that’s terrible
No way any person who ever bought a game would of assumed you bought just a license
I can't understand how some people aren't pissed and are genuinely ok with the fact that we don't own digital media anymore. They'd rather put up with whatever bs a soulless corporation throws at them than to actively fight for their rights as a consumer. So submissive. The only reason why lots of people now know we don't own digital media anymore is either through the spreading of awareness or people have learnt the hard way by having their library revoked (which leads to even more spreading of awareness).
Corporations act like scammers. If they were not legally obliged to state in their TOS that consumers are paying for a license and not a copy they have ownership of, they would 100% refuse to make that important information clear to the consumer. Even when being forced to state such info, they still make it as incomprehensible as possible while still being passable.
"you'll own nothing, and you will be happy"
we're approaching those times rapidly
"Eat ze bugz"
It's just 1 dead game
You own what you paid for
It's not about the game, it's about the precedent it sets. That they can nuke your library whenever they want without reason. If they want to rerelease an old game at full price with a few visual tweaks, they can simply make that new version the only way anyone is going to experience it from now on, cause they can press a button and the old version isn't yours anymore.
oh i won't be happy believe me.
"Why not check the Store to pursue your adventures?" Has to be the most blatant FU I've ever heard from a company it feels satirical
It's worse than that, not only are they denying you owning property, they also treat YOU like they own you.
it's upthere with Blizzards. you guys have phones right line.
It's really sadistic too, because they know they're making people feel like crap, and they're enjoying it.
@@SPTX. EA and Blizzard are the exact same way too
Again, this is why the Public Domain is very important.
And abolishing private property and products all for the sake of consumership and profit
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца that’s crazy
@@Jorge-so4zp crazy how? Crazy like this situation or what I said?
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца the situation is crazy but also I agree with you partially at least
Public Domain is for expired copyright or willingly voided copyright. This video is not why Public Domain is very important. It's not related at all, but I get your vocal spirit.
I remember reading an article about a Ubisoft Exec or something about saying "Games should be getting comfortable with not owning games" so im really not surprised at all
Th ability for them to remove your digital games has always been around, that quote was in reference to subscriptions like game pass which may be the best option for people who dabble in tons of games but for people who commit to a few games for a very long time will want to buy
I'm surprised you managed to get through the entire article
That was Sony
We need big youtubers promoting the *Stop Killing Games* campaign
Agreed
Full revolution for gamers, and thrust fear to the publishers and execs
So youtube can take hush money from them for censorship too? Would be best if everyone got off this awful platform that hates its users and creators first. But hey, that's probably more "hate speech" in youtube's eyes, maybe they'll completely ban me this time for fascistically not liking what I have to say.
😂 not gonna happen the ceos don't care.
@@enterusername4650The campaign does not target CEOs. Its goal is to get some consumer laws in place to force companies to leave players with a playable version of a game they paid for.
@@cairox1509 that's even more impossible. The government doesn't care about us or any consumers. They actively try to demonize us for enjoying the hobby the fact you have any faith in humanity really says a lot.
This genuinely needs to be voiced everywhere and loud until they're taken to court, it's an extremely dangerous precedent.
Stop Killing Games needs to campaign this as hard as possible to the French Parliament, this is the best way this can be approached, Ubisoft handed this movement a massive win as long as this gets taken into the French courts because this will have to spread to the U.S.
I'm questioning WHY they took the game away? Why THIS game? Is this a test of waters, or is there some more serious reason what they don't want to tell users, fix or be accountable of? When you work in cybersecurity, you start to question these things, especially after what has happened with Apex Legends and Titanfall 2, not to mention the risks of kernel level anticheats.
Go ahead, take them to court see where that gets you 😂
@Xbox_For_Life Grow up and change as a person.
Oh my sweet summer child
That precedent was set before you were born
The legal framework for licensing agreements is so well established it might as well be made of stone
It is kinda wild watching young people discover the reality of it through server-based games shutting down
that popup on The Crew is on par with the CEO of Kelloggs saying “if you’re poor eat cereal for dinner”
True, both about as out of touch with *everything* as it gets.
damn did he really say that?? can I get a link
Cereal for Dinner > Ubisoft Games
@@Artemi22 im right here
@@linkholder i mean u not wrong
That's rentality mentality. Klaus Schwab said "You will own nothing and like it."
More and more people are renting and leasing, and less and less people are owning. Rentality mentality is making people complacent with the stuff they pay for being taken away.
You've never owned software yourself, you should educate yourself on copyright, and your rights related to it as a consumer, and you need to understand that companies retain all the rights on their software. Software is governed by copyright law, you don't own harry potter because you've bought the books, that would make it impossible for creators to earn from their work. You misunderstand what "You will own nothing and be happy" is talking about, it is about hardware with software components to control ownership of it, like Teslas or Smart fridges, and renting them out instead of selling them.
Ownership rights have never been stronger for people who produce content nowadays. If you want to "own" content like games and music, make it yourself. ^^''
To be fair, there is plenty of stuff I don't want or need to own to be happy about it.
Like car sharing, a car is a lot of work and I might not even need it. Or power tools, pay big beefy money for a almost one time and dust collector. I'm fine with "renting" games on game pass, Ill only know if I like them as I play em. I'm flexible to change what I'm playing without spending 70€ per game I might enjoy. If I end up loving a game, I have no problem with buying it later on.
That is not the same thing with the crew example, there was no intention of renting it and therefore it's scummy. If declared before hand you can still choose to spend money yourself or not. There are enough alternatives put there after all.
@@FlavorsomeMusic "educate yourself" stopped reading right there schwabite, from that phrase alone you've exposed yourself as one of them. whenever someone says "educate yourself" they mean "indoctrinate yourself" and thus is your opinion discarded.
@@FlavorsomeMusic "educate yourself" stopped reading right there, that is the mark of one who is not interested in education, but indoctrination.
@@nottodisushttoagen1309 I can make baseless assumptions about you too! Your comment is the mark of someone that is looking for confrontation, not conversation.
Are you feeling a little down today and you need to confront someone to feel like you have the moral high ground for a little boost of endorphins ?
I suggest you look into Ross' Game Dungeon on legally attacking Ubisoft's decisions with The Crew 2's server shutdowns, especially in France.
France has the strictest of consumer laws to stop this exact action that Ubisoft seems to have forgotten, or is quite literally, laughing in the face of anti-consumer laws.
In fact, he's doing a full frontal assault on game preservation being signed into a petition, into a bill, and into law.
The US, Canada, UK, Germany, EU, Brazil, and Australia are all being petitioned as well.
This needs more attention.
U.S needs more consumer protections on digital sales.
In example:
TOS and EULA that abridge the right of ownership of a copy of a piece of software from a retail purchase, to a purchase of that of a license and to a mere "licensed user" should be 1000% illegal.
All digitally delivered goods bought for retail price , must be made in a way to be accessible forever , any removal of such content from the consumer by the seller or digital distribution company , should constitute theft. As that's what it is.
Fines for this should be steep too, no more "legal for price" attitude these billion dollar companies enjoy. Start fining them a percentage of their yearly net worth and watch em turn into consumer saints.
@@knightmaremedia7795 I'm just spreading the word, brotha.
Ross has a video dedicated to this all-out frontal assault on Ubisoft's hubris.
Ubisoft needs to be sued into the ground.
They're on borrowed time with this move imo (edit: spelling)
They do need to be sued but who has the money to stand up to them? They are a multibillion dollar company and they have the money to hire damn good lawyers.
@@teamofone1219 Stop buying their stuff, its just that easy. Nobody needs to sue them when you can put them out of business, as if people are smart enough to do that in first place though. lmao. Also, plenty of other publishers have done this and nobody bats an eye to that. Its because people only care about what theyre told to care about it
nah they need a spiritual awakening i reckon. it'd be so much better if they'd just consider game preservation critically important rather than go out of business.
Same with Sony. They just did the same thing.
This is the digital version of a Ubisoft employee breaking into your house while you're at work and stealing the disc copy right out of your console
It’s more like a Ubisoft employee always being in your house from the day you bought the disc, just to one day take the disc out smash it into a million pieces
Yes but keep in mind you clicked "I agree" on Ubisofts "Our employees can at any point walk into your house and take away your disc copy" policy
@@Maximilian1990 That is a solid argument.
@@Maximilian1990 Not really, it doesn't matter what you've signed if what you've signed for is illegal. You could sign a document saying the company can shot you if you don't do what they want, doesn't mean they are actually allowed to shot you. Not saying what they are doing is illegal but it is certainly within a governments ability to stop.
@Xbox_For_Life PlayStation has Gran Turismo which smokes and shits on Forza racing, detail, sound, and vehicle wise, however, Forza Horizon pisses all over whatever open world racing games PlayStation has (I play on PC btw so I don’t give two fucks about whichever of these two weak ass consoles you have, only the games).
*IF BUYING ISN'T OWNING THEN PIRACY ISN'T STEALING*
Word
If we don't own the games we pay for, then piracy isn't "stealing".
ya can't steal what u already own! :D
Wonder what way this will be re-worded and re-posted next.
Due to the subscription problem and license pulls, most of my buddys went back to be pirates.
my country has piracy tax - few % (up to 10) of the cost of the hardware you buy (video cards, storage). so I had to cough up additional 5% when I purchased video card. I already paid for being a "pirate" without actually being one. now scummy publishers just outright steal games from our accounts while keep crying about piracy. You can't be on the right side no matter what you do. they treat us like we're scumbags who deserve to be ripped off.
fun fact with physical games you get to own them,
with digital games youre renting it you dont actually own any digital games.
Tinfoil hat time: publishers are also putting in efforts to take away old games because most new games compare badly to them, even if it's just the amounts of microtransactions and increasing costs.
That is actually a possibility, the execs and publishers know how to trap us all to these schemes, and they want to have us cornered and no choice but to pay so much for too little
Like my boy Yakko Warner says, That's capitalism
There welcome to try and take my ever growing physical game collections
And we all know, it's not *just* the MTX and price increases.
Absolutely, especially if the og crew ended up being open sourced. The modding community would turn it into a dream experience. Motorfest can't compete on any level. Absolute trash
lol it's funny u would think they're going to any effort whatsoever XD i feel like this entire issue is really publisher negligence and apathy; their sheer lack of effort really.
As an Australian I was wondering what would happen down here as we have pretty decent consumer laws. Thanks for touching on Accursed Farms tweet.
I don't even own the game but geez i hope this gets Ubisoft thinking about the worldwide market
This world is going to sh*ts "You own nothing and will be happy" smh
This game meant a lot to me. It's devastating to lose it. I was still playing it every day.
Online only games is a very murky water when it comes to consumer protection. It's dependent on the parent company being willing to provide server access. It's kind of understood that the nature of such a product is not infinitely sustainable.
Kind of like a lightbulb, you can't exactly complain to Osram when the bulb no longer functions.
Where Ubisoft fucked up is revoking licenses they should have just taken the servers offline and left it at that. But we all know they aren't the most ethical of companies.
Idk what you’re talking about. I’m not aware of any Australian law that prevents digital marketplaces from rescinding access to games. Someone Australian is gonna have to check to see if it was taken yet
Im just shocked at the amount of people saying "They will no longer buy any ubisoft products". You are 10 years late to the party, but whatever im happy you finally see it.
Foreal, I stopped buying Ubisoft games after AC syndicate
@@RandyLahey33 My last ubisoft game was AC1 when it was released ☠
So sell all games that require an internet connection to be able to play them?
That's Steep and GR Breakpoint, for me anyway 🤔
I stopped at AC:Black Flag
I only ever bought r6, the rest has been pirated lol
There should be a law that if the publisher isn't actively selling or making the content available after a grace period of 5 years or so, it then gets released to the public in some official capacity to preserve and experience. That way all games will be available. Either they're being sold, or they're in public library to be accessed. If a company wants to resell the game, maybe they add content, or build on the experience as an incentive and now emulators don't have to sweat as much about being taken down because they have more of a legal standing. Likely needs to ironed out more, but a man can dream though, a man can dream...
What if the game relies on an enterprise server stack that would could $100,000s to get up and running from scratch?
The issue unironically is that we don't have gamer representation in the legislature
@@ramiropantoja882011 Nobody has representation in legislature except corporations and the banks that own them.
If buying isn’t owing then piracy isn’t stealing
That is why I love Piracy, it's the go to, to stopping publishers along with monopolies to mishandled ownership of product or service for the sake of profit, upper class can laugh all they want, nothing can stop piracy
Piracy isn't stealing anyway because you aren't denying that game or item from the original creator nor anyone else. Stealing involves *taking* something from someone that will no longer have it, because you took it. I could pirate every movie ever released in history, and nobody would lose theirs. Sure, there's ethical arguments about the company losing money when you do that, but ethical arguments to defend companies like Ubisoft fall completely flat on their face.
"If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing" should be put on every single video involving ubisoft at this point, they're the ones breaking the law in reality, not us
This quote is stupid. Piracy was NEVER stealing. At the very worst it's people using content they don't own as part of their career, like SSSniperWolf reaction videos, and only the UA-cam community seems to have a problem with those.
@@tristanspiteri7107 you signed a contract acknowledging that you understood you were not going to own the game only lease access too it and that it was ok for them to take it away from you at any time for any reason.
Just because what they are doing is scummy doesnt mean its illegal.
That said i *demo* every game i play before i buy it, if its good after 4-5 hours ill pay if not ill delete it and never think about it again.
I remember when live service and always online functionality was first becoming a thing, this was everyone's fear. I ALSO remember Ubisoft telling everyone not to worry that would would still own and still have acess to all your games even when you're offline... how theyve changed their tune.
"It's not gonna happen" when they're pushing something people are concerned will become something else, always becomes exactly what people were saying it would.
If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing
Ubisoft has now added a section called "Inactive Games" to their library... The Crew is the first.. How many will be added? It's a shame. I have more than a dozen Ubisoft games. I've always loved their detailed open worlds.
Does Ubisoft realize their actions are no different than theft?, they should be treated no different in a court. If they don't want to host a server anymore, they can find a new host.
You're absolutely on the money! If Ubisoft doesn't want to run a server anymore, cool, but patch the game to remove any DRM or online connections and enable players to create their own servers. It's not difficult to do, especially for companies as big as Ubisoft. They just choose negligence and not to care.
Corperations always do this, idk why your acting like its new let alone if theyll fix it
@@tedtheodore5715It's not new, but it seems people have finally had enough and are fighting back.
people whine about people who pirate games,but not the fact that corporates pull this shit smfh
They have to right to revoke online access, not the game itself. The game files couldve been used to make a private server
GOG coming in clutch these days. They need more love.
I only buy my pc games on gog
@@aevumlux3323 They are solid. I try to as well but Steam is my backup. While I like places like Steam, you actually don't own your games. So GOG and (full featured) CD's are a priority.
@@aevumlux3323 With a couple of exception I do as well.
@@aevumlux3323it’s really the place to buy games . Only the occasional seasonal steam sales can beat the deals on GOG
Do they have the crew? Or almost any game?
Basic business terms i purchased something which means i have full ownership to the product i purchased.
Taking it away from me is a crime.
Its in the EULA that they can take it away but peoplle dont realise this.
You have purchased a LICENSE to view and use it. If they revoke the license, they revoke the product, phsyical or not. You never purchase anything, you just buy the right to use it, but on all effects, you don't own nothing. Not even your house.
@@RealBadGaming52 A contract only shown AFTER purchase shouldn't ever be considered valid under the law, period. Contracts only shown post-purchase are fraud and we need to start treating them as such.
@@kinorris1709You can see the contract at any time by looking up the seller's terms of service. The contract is publicly available for all to see and you not reading it before bying isn't fraud, it's stupidity
@@RealBadGaming52 Eula can have whatever they want but you can also debate it at a court of law and claim such policies are unlawful which is what we should be doing.
I saw a quote the other day that stuck with me, "If buying your games isn't owning them, then pirating them isn't stealing"
There's a bunch of comments similar as yours, it's getting cringe tbh
@@toniskiny9589 "getting cringe"? check yourself
@@toniskiny9589 huh?
@@antigovernmentrhetoricthe repotition makes it cringe, but the sentiment is true
@@Lotus77777 agreed
Did anyone forget that Activision did this with overwatch 1?!?? You can’t play it anymore at all. I payed real money for that game and I’m stuck with the crappy sequel.
I still see psychical copies for sale at ludicrous prices despite it being literally unplayable
Overwatch 2 is basically a free update so technically not the same thing, but I totally hear you. OW1> OW2 😭
Even Team Fortress Classic outlived Overwatch. That is very funny
Did the same thing with Warcraft III. Completely removed the ability to play the original for the remaster. Problem is the remaster fu*k*ng sucked, and was loaded with problems. Not to mention the out-right lies they told about it's "upgrades" It was obviously a cash grab situation that they forced on their most loyal of fan base.
All your stuff did switch over though.
"Games are not made for gamers" - Ubisoft 😂😂
they are made for consumers
@@manoz6194exactly just like every other company out there, n lucky millions of people understand that concept really well
"Games arent art, they are business." - someone in ubisoft maybe
Gaming companies worst enemy gamers
@@Derivedwhale45 there is a difference, the game wouldn't be taken away if it was made for gamers.
Going to the Louvre. Destroying the Mona Lisa. "What, you had 500 years to look at it! Why not go to the British Museum and look at parts of Greek culture before we revoke access to that too?"
Funny example. Let's fix it.
It's not the Mona Lisa, but a less famous, and culturally less important work of art. The Louvre decides to remove said work of art from display, and keep it locked away in a storage unit for the foreseeable future. Can they do it? Yes. They own the darn thing, and you only really pay for the privilege to see it. A privilege that can be taken away willy-nilly.
@@Navajonkee You are right, that is a funny example.
It's more you buying a digital photo of this work of art, then the Louvre employees coming to your house and just forcibly taking the photo away from you again. Then they say that you only had the privilege to see it, not to own it, and they decided to take that privilege away from you again. That is despite them telling you that you bought the photo before, so you assumed that you owned it.
@@Supernoxus Except that instead of a digital photo, it is the ability to see it live through the Internet. A privilege that can be taken away from you at any moment.
@@Navajonkee I disagree. You downloaded the photo. It's right there on your hard drive, ready to be viewed.
Also we originally went with an analog ...analogy, so I don't understand why you are turning it into something digital now. At this point you might as well just say what is actually happening. You have a game that you paid for, that you downloaded, that is on your hard drive, and you expect to own it since you bought it. Then they just shut it down and now you can't play it anymore. It was perfectly legal of them to do so even though it really should not have been.
@@Supernoxus "Also we originally went with an analog ...analogy, so I don't understand why you are turning it into something digital now"
You did. I just went along with your analogy as much as I could.
"You downloaded the photo. It's right there on your hard drive, ready to be viewed."
That's why the analogy fails. The point that you are accessing the actual art is an important aspect, since this is what you are doing with The Crew as well. You have files on your PC, sure, but the actual game you access relies on server functions which you actively utilize from Ubisoft. The "download a photo" analogy would only work with a fully offline game. And we're not talking about that, are we?
I’ve been on the ubisoft hate train for few years now, after they cancelled a rainbow six siege tournament a day before it took place. Felt bad for all of those who had to travel there which is most of the players
I’ve hated them since they cancelled Patriots.
@@seanpoulton2446 god I feel old when I hear that
I would feel bad as well. They spent money to get there just to find out the tournament is cancelled
Thanks man, I have been a fan of Ross for years and seeing mandolorian talk about it and now you this needs as much exposure as it can get. I know I am nobody anon on UA-cam but seriously thank you so much.
I posted a comment on a Facebook post mocking Ubisoft for saying we don’t own games.
Didn’t think it was a hot take to say we should own what we buy.
Received numerous comments trashing my apparently controversial opinion and defending Ubisoft and major publishers.
From what I can tell, the post-physical generation views the concept of ownership as archaic and unrealistic.
And I pity those fools.
it really shouldn't be a hot take, but when you've got fanboys who just eat up anything they are fed, everything is a "hot take" at this point.
They're children. Once they're done with university, and they're settling down (if they can afford to), they'll reach the same conclusions as any sane adult - that material wealth is the ONLY wealth of value. Money itself changes value, but having a thing? Owning a thing? That's a fixed value.
And the internet is not something you should ever entirely rely upon under any circumstances.
What did you expect from children on Facebook?
All youngsters commies until they get their first credit card.
These are the same people that call crypto and NFTs , investing 😂😂😂😂
Some of the younger players probably aren't aware that there is a dedicated console server packed with Valve goldsource and source games, and that people can still easily play original Doom 1 which released in 1993 because of an independant network infrastructure where anybody can host their own public server, which can be connected to from any point of the globe.
We live in the world where at the same time huge corpos steal your access to your game after a few years, and Half-Life 1 gets a free content update after 25 years since release
the worst part is all assets are still there, it's probably less than 10 lines of code they had to patch to make it stop trying to connect to the servers and just load the game singleplayer
It really is less than 10 lines. We've been digging deep into the game for months now and the only thing that's stopping us from doing it ourselves is VMProtect, that's present in every single version of the game. It's an atrociously difficult DRM.
this is the part that makes console game preservation so impossible without publisher help or consideration in the first place :
As someone who programs It can depend when it comes to complexcity.
@@keshi5541 As sOmeOne whO pRo- shut up bro i program too it ain't that hard to patch a server check
@@ajogar It depends on what the server does. But apparently The Crew actually had an offline single player mode that was just disabled for no good reason.
Who else wishes all Ubisoft games were all in the Public Domain? Raise your hand 🙋♂️
People like you only ever think about the short-term.
🙋♂️
Their games suck, they need to be erased.
@@MarquisDeSangrayman aint bad
Original copyright only kept works from public domain 14-28 years. So anything 28 years old, yes, it should be public. However, the current way they're doing things, mean even with it being public, the only thing that would exist is a recreation, not the original.
“Never drive alone”
Never stop The Crew
A lot of what's mentioned here is exactly why I'm trying to start up my own game development group, which (assuming we're able to make a sufficient income to keep making games) will hopefully become a full studio, which will follow a sort of code, which essentially prioritises the community/audience
And for some reason companies still wonder why pirating is a thing, what a disgrace.
We will all be pirates before long
ARGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!
Nintendo Im looking at you. Cough* cough* shuting down 3DS and Wii U eshops cough* cough*.
“Why not check the store to pursue your adventures?” That literally makes my blood boil I cannot get over the fact they had the nerve to type that out.
Companies will always purposely shoot themselves in the foot so can have something to complain about
@@pickeljarsforhillary102
WE SAIL THE SEVEN SEAS TONIGHT MATEYS 🏴☠
Its also not just about losing The Crew. Even though it's an old game and not that many people are on it anymore, if gamers were to let this one "slide" then it'll make Ubisoft slowly want to get away with doing the same thing to many other games. And even worse, it can make other companies see that and slowly want to do the same thing. We own that copy of the game and them removing it from our libraries without refund is essentially just stealing it from us.
Game preservation is art preservation... No one would be okay with a Monalisa remake after burning the original...
Nobody would, let alone AI making the painting remake, it's just basically a middle finger to real artists, and more money for the upper class
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца👏
Do a little research on that subject, I think you'll be surprised.
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца To some people a lifetime of developing a skill and the unique world perspective of another person has no value. All that matters is content. Endless content built on other content for contents sake because endless shallow distractions.
Hate to say it, but games are made for profit not art.
The Crew is one of the few games that I have actually bought the physical copy of (normally I just buy them on steam.) So them just taking it away is a punch in the gut. They're not getting any more money from me.
This is one of the reasons I love it when game companies do stuff like what Id Software did with the original wolfenstein, doom, and quake games. Sell them for a few years, then release the source code (though not containing the levels, assets, etc) so people can preserve it and enjoy it forever, and they could even learn from how it was made.
This BS is not just with regular games. A couple years ago a really nice product called Hot Wheels ID was created. The physical ($15-$20) cars could be scanned into your phone using a $140 smart track and an app. The app served as a game, digital car library, and track interface. The app requires an online service that was discontinued last year just to start. This means that the cars and track are useless. Almost $500+ spent in collecting cars and track parts to have them be useless. It only lasted from November 1st 2019 till December 2023. Companies should be required to offer a refund or offline completed (standalone) services
as a fellow hot wheels fan, i knew they would drop it as soon as possible lol
i am sorry for you
I hope that someone third party is able to create a standalone app that can just sync to your phone for you hot wheels fans who got that
@Xbox_For_LifeWhile the forza, still redownoadeth
@Xbox_For_LifeAgreed but it is annoying how Forza removes copyrighted music after purchase due to licenses
I remember Ross Scott, from Ross's Game Dungeon and a huge advocate of preserving games really liked this game. During his review he remarked that there was a good possibility it wouldn't exist in the future. It seems his worst fears have come to light.
Dude is literally on the war path look up his channel.
Honestly I wouldn't doubt it if Ubisoft did this as a direct response to that movement.
I believe City Of Heroes is a great example of private server preservation. After the MMO shutdown it was kept alive in private servers for years, to the point that they acquired the license and opened the game up to everyone again.
Imagine like 10 to 15 years ago(or further) when Ubisoft was mainly releasing fun games. Crazy to think about how far they've gone since then. They think its completely okay to just take games away from people who bought them(without refunding either) just because they said so.
I’ve never been a Ubisoft consumer, but I’ve been impacted with stuff like this already via Gran Turismo.
GT6 delayed one of its biggest selling points by nearly 3 years - the course maker - and it got removed when the servers were shut off in 2017.
Likewise, a post-online patch was released for GT Sport a few months ago and it disabled the livery editor and visual modifications, as well as removed access to a bit over a dozen unique cars that were only available via a Mileage exchange that was also removed from the update. All the liveries and custom wheel/paint you did got removed and all your cars were reverted to their stock base paint, seemingly for no reason, because the liveries would be stored in the same area as the replay folder, which is still active.
I hate that I can’t play some of my favorite games they way I did years ago simply because devs arbitrarily decide to remove things or lock them away behind a server wall
The worst part is that, considering its main rival is as bad it is nowadays, likely GT will get lazier and lazier
@@superninja252 yea that’s something I worry about too. GT hasn’t been great for the last 3 games, kinda fixing some stuff but messing up other aspects at the same time. They got the driving feel and garage ownership/customization and opponent atmosphere perfect in 7, but the AI and campaign is so unbelievably ass and short it’s one of the worst games in the series. I desperately hope they’ve learned from it and past games (especially with the contact they have with their esports players), but with the microtransactions they’ve thrown in my hopes aren’t high.
Pretty much our only hope for caRPG/sim lite experiences being good is if Assetto Corsa puts out an absolute banger for their next release - which might be possible, they have great track record and the next game is meant to be a successor to the first game and not strictly an online/race car only/esports title
GT4 was god tier and will never be topped I think personally, but GT7 is a close 2nd for me I love it and play it almost daily with around 700hrs in so far. The level of car detail is insane and is car p orn to me, adding VR support was a game changer too 🙌 GT always nail the handling physics i feel.
I like the quality updates the game receives too like adding in 120fps mode, 4 player split screen and regular content updates, my daily car in real life was recently added the Suzuki Jimny which made me so happy lol well almost the same mine isn't the Japanese KEI version but its close enough.
So i really hope they don't do any of that content removal in the future. It could be worse though, like I recently went to go buy Forza Horizon 3 on PC because its set in Australia where i live and has our Aussie cars, only to find that you can't even buy the game anymore?? As it was delisted in 2020 because of licensing issues 🤦♂️I'm not buying an Xbox specifically for just 1 game on a disc to be able to play it, so I'll probably have to pirate it unfortunately.
GTA6 delay is because they have to redo everything to make it woke.
@@MuffHam dude what are you on about? Nobody here is talking about GTA6 and also that game hasn't been delayed at all 🤦♂️
Thank you so much for helping with this campaign. Every person that helps is wonderful, and you're a pretty big name helping. Thank you again, truly.
Another example of an old multiplayer game that's still playable today is Phantasy Star Online 1 - including the fricking Sega Dreamcast version.
Sylverant, the oldest private server for the Dreamcast version that I know, has been running since 2009 and still has a dedicated playerbase. It also has cross-platform play support for those playing on PC, GameCube or Xbox. I have it on PC, but I wish I still have my old DC.
That is sick
@@cultistsashthat is a pretty awesome amount of longevity honestly. Doom 2 still has an active multiplayer community on Zandronum and ZDaemon as well.
We need more games like those in this world
@@SgtMjRomero I'm also part of the Doom community, but I mentioned PSO in particular because it's mainly a multiplayer game that should've died off when its official servers closed but is still playable even on a console that should also be dead, thanks mainly to fans and also to Sega for letting us do all this.
YES, PSO! i still play it to this day.
PSO2 (at least the pre-NGS) likely will follow the same way, since fans already maneged to get into the system files so much that they even made a custom launcher for the game
As of right now, I just see Ubisoft as Criminal Organization.
Your overview of private servers answered questions I've had about the possibilities for MMOs after their end-of-life. Sabotaging publisher theft is an important topic. I hope the right people with The Crew installed are able to share their files for use alongside future cracks and server redirection to resurrect that game in some capacity.
Pretty sure it's a guarantee to happen, many people want that game but there's an added push to make it happen in a form of a middle finger to Ubisoft.
This is a very scary situation. Similar to Sony pulling the Stellar Blade demo access from everyone, this means publishers have a kill switch ready. They can pull access to any game at any time regardless of purchase. Imagine if any other company did this for their products.
Right? And people are defending the "legality" of it, as if that isn't a clear sign of how messed up the legal system is already.
"Oh, you didn't spend 3 months reading that 500 page EULA that we purposefully made as convoluted as possible to mislead you? We're taking your car back now because it's been 30 days and we can, no refund, please come do business with us again."
I can't think of someone with the opinion that that's acceptable as competent in any way, I just can't.
@@VoiceOvaGuy been using chat gpt to "read" eulas and there's always dubious illegal shit buried in them
@@VoiceOvaGuy Simple. Their store, their rules
@@Sira_Kackavaljit's a scummy thing to do regardless. Idk why you're defending it
@@___AVARICE___ Just, because Ubisoft said it recently, doesnt make it something now. EA, Blizzard, Valve have been doing it for over a decade now. Its funny
Star Wars Outlaws is a online single player game guys.
History repeats himself soon or later.
False: can be played offline n internet IS required for installation purposes ONLY. Try again liar
@Derivedwhale45 So what will happen if you want to install it on new hardware and it turns out that Ubisoft stopped validating installation to save some money?
@@Derivedwhale45Like that makes it ok? The physical disks also require an internet connection to install. What happens in 5 years when the online service gets shut down?
It happened with Mass Effect 2 and the cerberus network. It'll happen here too.
@@TheMasterblahAmen. I brought ME Andromeda day 1 (I know). Needed to connect to the Internet to install on Xbox ONE. Didn't have an Internet connection. Had to take it round a friend's just to install a 500MB bullshit Day 1 patch prompt that they INSTALLED ON THE DISK!
Then I had to update my whole Xbox to install the patch on the DISK! 😡
@@AtmonTheExectioner Bro, I had a similar issue when I bought the Gears of War 4 special edition Xbox One. The box said it came with Gears 4, and when I opened it up it was a fucking code to redeem on the Microsoft store.
I was living in a shitty barracks with the slowest wifi I've ever experienced. Took me 2 days to install the game once I connected my Xbox to the internet because the console itself needed an update to function.
I tried to explain why digital purchases were horrible when they started. They called me paranoid
Oh please. This didn't start with digital purchases. Games were telling you in their EULA that you do not own them for decades now. Only back then it merely meant that you cannot use anything inside the game freely, especially not for commercial purposes. This is true for any software, actually, not just games. The only difference is that now, they have the ability to fully revoke access to the game, under the very same EULA disclaimer. Which is normally a pretty dick move, but I don't find it that shocking with the Crew. I mean, it's a live service, online game, what were people expecting?
@@NavajonkeeEULA's barely hold water in a court room. Its one thing for a company to say they own all the rights to your product and can take it away, its another when they actually take your product away. Which is why I hope Ubisoft is taken to court for this.
"Your car has been disabled, go to your local dealership to buy a new one"
Private severs are a lot older than WoW, we were making them in 96 for Doom I&II and Quake.
these games all had peer to peer multiplayer, you didn't even need servers. we need to go back to that time. every game with lan , local split screen and community server support
Ubisoft is taking Klaus Schwab's lesson to heart way too well.
*"You will own nothing and you will be happy."*
That's what happens when AH let them live.
the "just play The Crew 2" people don't seem to even understand that they've been robbed. like imagine if, for example, when Sony stop supporting the PS4 they just come and take your console. the same rules should apply for digital software.
You know it’s bad even when a website named “Stop Killing Games” has got attention of the dumbassery that you’ve caused.
And as a preservationist myself, I feel disgusted by Ubisoft’s recent behavior.
That's why people need to contribute to those types of movements. If nobody does anything, they will keep doing this and they won't refund you or possibly worse down the line.
Correction, Stop Killing Games was created in response to the shutdown of The Crew
I've been disgusted with Ubisoft since 2014
*preservationist* ok thief
@@Maximilian1990 You don’t know half of the pain that these scumbag publishers have caused to people like me. They will never your friend.
Oh boy, i can't wait for Ross Scott to make an update on this. Now they've REALLY got grounds to sue!
I feel you Muta. I have reported them to the German Authority after watching your last Video on this topic. Even told some of my friends aswell.
Germs know no other solution besides more government. You do realize they can do this because of government laws in the first place right?
Who do you think enforces copyright laws?
Im imagining the whole office bursting out laughing as your report is read out loud in front of everyone
Ubisofts marketing team, alongside the executives has gone abit über-soft ngl 💀💀💀
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца it took one google search for you to not look stupid....
@@domeen0gt895 not everybody is perfect
@@domeen0gt895 can you explain? Since you seem to know everything
Good one
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца Whatever you say, "Komrade"
Star Wars Galaxies is still one of my favorite MMOs. While it launched 21 years ago and then shut down nearly 13 years ago it lives on in many private servers with many of it's update iterations available. That's how you do it.
If buying isnt owning, Piracy isnt stealing.
Become a pirate, comrade ☭ it's not stealing, it's your personal property for fun
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанцаcan confirm
Here's the thing: Piracy won't bring The Crew back. It's not as easy as just replacing the .exe with a cracked copy. The only solution to stop Games As A Service is to get some consumer laws in place and that is what Stop Killing Games is trying to do.
You're still committing copyright infringement, even if that like is true. You're infringing copyright and you don't know it. That's why Piracy is a different crime than just stealing, because it's also infringing those copyrights.
@@ChaseMC215It’s only a crime if you get caught so don’t get caught 😂
I remember receiving a copy of The Crew included with my purchase of an ASUS GTX 770 several years ago. I quickly lost interest in the game as I had no idea what I was doing. I really don't know how I feel about Ubisoft deleting the game from its servers because the game didn't cost me anything. However, I do think it's wrong that I'll no longer be able to play it if I decide to pick the game up and play it again. It isn't fair for Ubisoft's consumers to no longer have access to a game they paid money for. Their consumers should receive a free physical copy of the game if they're going to be doing this.
Australia could be a big key to this. We have really strong consumer protection laws that aren't taken lightly.
For example we don't have to chase up a manufacturer about a faulty product, just take it back top the place of purchase and get an exchange or refund. It's up to the seller to follow up on their end.
this 👆
There aren't copyright laws in Australia?
Australia is also the hellhole that bans anything mature. So, maybe we don't want the world to turn into your prison colony.
From personal experience I have to strongly disagree with this statement. I also see it on a daily basis people complaining online and/or asking for advice to get refund for faulty products because they get denied. Australia is too corrupt for companies to care about the laws because they know that the government won't punish them for breakig them.
Given that Disney have recently announced a NO PHYSICAL MEDIA policy in Australia, that country could prove to be a key battleground, in this current war on consumers.
@@MrPolicekarim that’s a thing over here now? damn, one more reason to hate modern disney
Speaking of private servers, star wars battlefront 2 2017 is getting a new custom game browser with community hosted servers, so even when the servers one day go down, multi-player will still be accessible. Ubisoft taking servers down is bad enough, but revoking the license to even download is just scummy. I don't think I remember a time before where that happens. Absolutely awful precedent to set if they get away with this. Even if it was possible for the community to hack a new online, it's now just SOL...
Arghh matey. Once I was locked out of a game I paid for because their “security” servers couldn’t handle the load. I started sailing the seven seas for games I’ve purchased.
These are the same companies that will invest millions of dollars in anti-cheat software with kernel level access/bots that roam the internet looking for pirates. They deserve everything they get.
To add to the idea of "Oh this is how this series started", when I first played Bioshock, I loved the game so much (this was around 2020). I instantly played 2 and Infinite and was very into the game series. So I decided to see how the then Irrational Games (now 2K) came to making this game. That's how I discovered System Shock, and it was also an instant hit for me, I played the series at least 10 times over. If it wasn't for the efforts of studios like Nightdive who took it upon themselves to buy the IP and restore the games back to their original forms, I would have never been able to enjoy the games that paved the way for Bioshock. Previously the System Shock IP was lost around the mid 2000s as Looking Glass studios (the company that worked alongside Irrantional games to make the games) shut down and was bought by another company who just had the IP chilling. This holds true for many other series.
It's not about the game being "Over 6 years old". The System Shock games came out in the 90s, so that's over 30 years now. Should they be shafted in favour of newer games? Are their gameplay, stories, mechanics and memories now useless and a pile of wasted code because of their age?
I hate this new trend of deciding anything old as only being good because of "nostalgia" rather than its inherent characteristics. Good stuff has redeeming qualities regardless of age.
Muta's mention of playing a retro/old game a while back during a specific situation struck a cord because after getting into FF7 so I could understand why the Remake right around the corner was so important to everyone I decided to play the remake as well. And i wanted to play the original crisis core before i played the remake. Ironically i had a PSP collecting dust and pretty much a full decade after the original PSP release i decided to get a physical copy and play it. Providing me an experience that would never hit as hard just by watching a UA-cam video about it.
I'm actually glad this is happening, it's about time that gamers stand up for themselves and start taking legal action, maybe changing this whole "not owning the game you buy" thing
I wouldn't hold my breath on gamers doing anything productive.
@@vishishify ikr, we can't even stop buying microtransactions, even though like 80% of people say they dont like em XD
Standing up for something would be too much exercise for the average gamer
@@Dskater84I KNOW!!! Like that shit is so infuriating!! I don’t play any games that have micro transactions (unless you wanna call bethesda bullshit paid mod micro transactions), I REFUSE! I honestly don’t know how people can continue to play games with that in them. I try to play the apps on my phone and they’re LITTERED with them!!! Its so freakin frustrating!!! Its so so so disgusting!! I could not imagine having to see that kinda shit in my video game!
@Dskater84 only micros I buy are in games like warfame where it isn't hard to grind the stuff for free and trade stuff
I agree with you in everything, man. I've also become a subscriber to your channel from thus video.
That’s why I do discs now too… been burned a few times. I’ve learned my lessons.
Also, if I wanna go play PS1/2/3, I CAN BOOT THOSE BABIES UP AND PLAY. I don’t gotta pray that they won’t take them away from me. It’s nice to have that option to relive old games and feelings. I hate these new digital only licenses and people getting forked over with their money, and I hate that some people don’t see our angle.
Also, also, as someone who’s been without internet at times, offline play is a must have for people who still want to enjoy games without it.
Same here.
Before buying a game, i do a bit of research about it.
I have been burned by a few games in the past that didn't even have the full game data on disc. (Tony Hawk 5).
I think 50% or more wasn't on the physical copy if i recall correctly.
It's weird how people defend this era of no longer owning games.
A few days ago i asked some people if they knew if Stellar Blade 1.00 was fully on disc and the only answer i got was some BS like:
"Physical media is dead", and "it's a license"
I feel old😔
True. I make sure if I buy a hame that there's at least some offline stuff to do. For example, I bought the Battlefront classic collection on switch (the only way I could afford to get it). First thing I did was look for the offline stuff. I don't really care about online multiplayer unless my friends are playing with me.
the crew was an online game requiring sign in from jump. having discs means nothing in most cases.
@@computer_janitor I remember I got NFS:2015 on disc and I didn’t have internet at the time… discs don’t matter in some cases when they have DRM components added. But my point still stands, offline compatibility makes a game that much more valuable to someone like me who doesn’t always have access to internet. Also missing the big point that previous titles and generations didn’t need all this fancy junk to make good titles or experiences. Online only licenses/games are just corporate greed at its finest.
I just played Ratchet: Deadlocked on PSX2 at 4K and nearly 100% it
I own one Ubisoft game and it's still in my backlog, but the anxiety it gives me knowing that my account might get deleted before I get to try it if I don't log in for too long, that they delete stuff people paid for all the time and it could just poof - I'm never buying another. Even if that game turns out to be good, it's not worth the stress. Games are supposed to be fun, not cause you stress when you aren't even playing them!
I have stopped paying for Ubisoft games some time ago.
There's many games that still are running servers because of dedicated fans. Sure there might be twenty or so people online playing, but it is the thought and care that is put into preserving it. Things come and go but there are resurgences to everything. I know of one that I played somewhat recently and that's The Sims Online, now under the guise of FreeSO.
Hawken is one xbox is one of these games. Lol I can say this cuz I still play it from time to time with a regular group seen on pvp.
As Mutahar said World of Warcraft private run servers were a thing for the longest time. Nostalrius being the biggest and most populated. Blizzard issued a cease and desist and the community got mad.
So Blizzard decided if you can't beat them, join them and agreed to make Classic WoW, one problem, Blizzard had lost a lot of the original code, so asked the community for help. They duly obliged. This is a prime example of why community run servers are essential to preserving games.
I think the practice of turning over the ability to run private servers without harassment to the community after the official servers have shut down should be something all publishers should do, but of course all they care about is pushing the sequel.
This is why you should never buy digital. They can't take discs from you.
Mutah is right. I had to take a marketing class as part of my masters, and one of the big things they preached throughout the course was that no matter what your product is at the end of the day a fixed revenue stream will always put perform a spike and dip. It’s why gyms for example are a great business to start up because the way they are structured is you just need to get enough memberships to keep the lights on, and most people won’t use the gym regularly anyway so it’s like you’re getting free revenue regularly. It’s kind of why everybody is seeing so many UA-camrs being sponsored by that one company that claims to get rid of all your monthly subscriptions for you that you no longer use to help you save money. Companies want to leech you over time cause they know it’s easier and more cost effective