Here are my new thoughts on this age-old question. Let me know if some of your perspectives have changed much like mine on this topic. Also August is going to be a crazy month expect lots of videos to come out just like this one.
When you rewatch code geass do you watch it english dub or Japanese dub? Recently I've been on a Kallen kick myself. However i have nothing to debate on why Lelouch loved Kallen more lol
This is probably a detail that many people don't notice: In episode 14 of R1, before Lelouch wiped Shirley's memory, he said, "If reincarnation exists, I will..." *even tho in japanese it said 'kimi ni'. (the latter sentence is quite vague because it can lead to anything, ex: I will make you 'happy' or something). Then in episode 13 of R2, Shirley answered him: "No matter how," "many times I'm reborn..." "I'll keep falling in love with you Lulu," "I suppose that it's simply fate..." "So, is that okay then...Lulu?" "And as I'm reborn..." "I'll fall in love with you over and over," "I'll keep..." "falling..." "in love with..." She remembered it! T_T
Literally you are the person who was watching this anime carefully and feeling it. My opinion maybe a little bit looks like stupid but in one word “Shirley is the person he loved, cc is the person who is fit with him” Lelouch is a King and cc has queen character just right, and she is stand his side all the time.
@@QYQ-qj4uf shirley is actually quite similar to cc's early self, when she got mind wiped and back to her state before she lived those lifetimes. very innocent and just clearly quite devoted to lelouch
@@seignee lol, absolutely not. Shirley is more courageous and frankly than C.C. Lelouch and C2 are both Tsundere type character. I said C.C. Is queen just because she is witch and has long live. If they are peers, it’s clearly c2 lose her queen features.
I dont where I heard this idea but I've also loved it. Its that each girl was a possibly life he could of had. If Lelouch stuck with his school life and gave up being zero. He'd end up with Shirley. If Lelouch dedicated his life to being Zero and put abandoned his revenge and school life he'd end up with Kallen. And C.C is the ending where he stayed true to who he truly is. Not zero or Lelouch Lamperouge, instead his real self Lelouch Vi Britannia.
But Lelouch vi Brittania isn't the true Lelouch either. Both the prince and the emperor were masks. He is a mix between all three masks for a reason. There isn't a one true self.
I think Lelouche loved both Shirley and C2 albeit for different reasons. In the case of Shirley she represents all of the good times he had at school, C2 even asks him early in S1 if he loves her and he responds that he doesn't know. But later he clearly expressed his guilt at the loss of their relation and not understanding how precious it was to him until realizing till it was gone. Which makes sense he's know her for multiple years at this point, longer than any of the other girls listed even if we don't see it on screen. As for C2 she is the only person to really see all aspects of Lelouche character as the student, as zero and just Lelouch. He is the only one he can be truly natural around, he even try's to use his Gease on her to force her to stay although it could be argued its because he didn't want to loose any other connections in his life as he had just lost Shirley at that point. That said there is zero (pun intended) doubt that they grew closer as the seasons went on.
I believe he loved Shirley, because he could see a life with her outside of his "mission". Then we get to Kallen, who he deeply cares for..but remains at a distance due to never wanting to feel the pain he felt after Shirleys death, again with a "partner". Then we come to C.C, who obviously has a contract with him and they both grow to admire one another which deepens their bond.
shirley? no 💀he just feels guilty about k-wording her father he doesnt even give her the time of the day before all of that. and he doesnt even care about kallen that much, the only woman he cares about excluding his sister is cc
@@Chococat3646 Lelouch is a King and he needs a Queen, and cc is the most great and fit candidate for him, that’s all😅 Is this love？ I don't know. But I only know that I would never want a relationship like this because I never felt the love between them. Also haven’t made any promises💀, I don't remember any affectionate conversations between them, just like when business was finished finally, -wow you’re the person who still alive and has compatible with my competence from beginning to end, go work together. -Perfect. If this is love, must be conditional love.
@@Chococat3646 Same way with Kallen, just due to she hasn’t an enough powerful competence like cc. What an ordinary person Shirley is, particularly in this type anime, there was no need for him to feel guilty, and there was no need for him to make a promise when he erased her memory in S1, but he made a promise for her. You may say it's friendship, but you really think he lacks partners and guards？ Somebodies would be sacrificed was unavoidable, especially for the people who around him. How many times he needs to spend in “guilty”？How many people are you saw he taken an actions to put them away from dangerous ？erasing her memory just because he don’t want to involve she in the war business. Of all the main characters, only his sis and Shirley are the "weak person"
@@QYQ-qj4uf you clearly didnt watch the anime at all, because there were a lot of moments where they were just there for each other and always had each others back.
@@Chococat3646 The new 2019 anime is just a way to satisfy the wishes of the fans, and already falls into the category of a spin-off, a real commercial film. The real Code Geass ended back in 2007, 2008. The romantic vibe between Lelouch and C.C. in S1 and S2 wasn't even as strong as it was with Kallen. The author arranges for them to be together ten years later for no other reason than the king needs a queen. Another reason is that there are a lot of viewers who like C.C. so that the new film is more profitable. Just from S1 and S2 I really don't feel love in their relationship. If you think that's love, then I hope your love is like Lelouch and C.C. in S1S2 ❤️
I think that Shirley was his first love (which holds a special place in his heart), Kallen was an attraction that he never allowed to grow into anything romantic (also don't think he respected her as much as the other two), and C.C. is his final love that he respected and could be who he truly was with.
A couple things you overlooked regarding Lelouch's relationship with Kallen. First and foremost is that he was well aware of Kallen's feelings for him and how loyal she was to them and him. He knew that if he expressed any romantic interest in her that she would stand by him no matter what, even to her death (Kallen herself states that had Lelouch told her that he loved her, even if she knew it was a lie, she would literally follow him into Hell) and do anything to save him. And after she kissed him, he spoke with regret when he pretends to feel nothing and tells her goodbye. And when she was captured, he literally puts his entire plan to take down Britannia at risk to get her back (something he's only ever done for with Nunnally), and even states that he won't let anything else of "his" be taken from him in reference to Kallen. Also, she's the ONLY one he ever asks to come back with him once everything is over. So yes, there were definitely feelings for her on Lelouch's end, he just hid them and didn't act on them for her own sake; this can even be referred back to him taking his father's advice of if you care about something, keep it away from you to save it. And after the way he lost Shirely, this gives him all the more reason to keep Kallen at a distance, especially if he had feelings for her.
Could it be possible we’re seeing the show through Lelouch’s eyes with how he sees the girls? We don’t see Shirley in a lot of revealing ways because he has more respect for her as a friend at the very least. Kallen gives by FAR the most fan service, but thats possible because thats how he views her. C.C. gives a bit, which demonstrates an interest in her, but it’s hardly the focus as their relationship is much deeper.
Honestly you could be on to something. We can fit these 3, and others, into the 7 kinds of love in Ancient Greece. Shirley would fall in Pragma, the love you have for your spouse/long term commitment. Kallen is Eros, passion and physical love. CC is Agape, spiritual love that applies more to the mind/soul. And then you have Storge for Nunally, which is family love with protection being the most common form of it. Philia for Euphemia, which is the love/trust for friends and family. Then we have Ludus. Which can be described as playful and flirtatious. The case for Milly can be made here. And finally, Philautia, self love. The story of Lelouch in which he goes from arrogance to doubting himself back and forth is also an important part of this story.
I know a lot of people shipped Kallen and Lelouch together. But honestly, watching the series and the recap films, I think they were better off just being friends. I always feel like she was more in love with Zero than Lelouch himself. I always found C.C. a perfect match for him because she knows Lelouch inside and out. I would say Shirley is a great fit as well because she loved Lelouch just for who he was.
I think he really did love shirley, he erased her memories and got distraught and when he erased her memories he said that he loved her and he is so soft towards shirley,its shirley words that made him realized something (when they were lightning the fireworks) and acts normally around shirley his usually uptight and cold,it was the scene during the school president graduations party and when shirley died it triggered him to attacked the cult and it really broke him.
It’s just as you say he loved Shirley first but lost her before his feelings could be realised. CC was always there from the beginning even after Shirley’s death so the show transitions who he loved the most. First he loved Shirley but lost her Then slowly developed feelings for CC but then he dies. I imagine his feelings for Shirley where never a thing in the resurrection timeline, something was very different. But only after his resurrection where his feelings for CC fully realised. And Karen was never on his romantic radar but still an important friend that was part of the student council Which to him was like his second family.
Shirley should’ve joined the Black Knights, I would’ve preferred if someone else would’ve interfered with the special zone, and maybe Euphie could’ve joined as well.
I love Lelouch and Kallen story since I've seen this series for the first time 10 years ago, and now I've rewatched it again, I confirmed that. Lelouch and Kallen is the most sincere and organic relationship in all the series. Instead of C.C who in the begging just wanted him to pass her inmortality and die. Shirley it's a complicated and tragic character and she also have a special relationship with Lelouch, but at the end of the day, since the begging, the only relationship that we see blooming in my opinion was with Kallen. Lelouch knew all the time her true identity, and when he understood her true motivations, he didn't force her to stay in the rebellion (even he release she was a key soldier). He started worring about her since the begging and Kallen was truly interested in Zero. She wanted to know more about him and also she was the first one to suspect of Lelouch. When the series continue, we see Lelouch caring about her genuinely, even if he have to think in one hundred things at a time, the loyalty she had for the cause and specially for Zero, and also the relationship they have outside the conflict in school, created a really special trust in her. In season one we can see moments when Lelouch was worried about her, but he doesn't wanted her to know he was Zero not because he don't trust her, but for her to be safe. We can totally see this in season 2, when Kallen already knew his true identity. Kallen doesn't fall for her Zero form. She actually started to understand him as a human and his true motivation and knowing that, she decided ti follow his lead to the end. Her loyalty was truly special for Lelouch and, after everything that pass with Shirley, Lelouch understand that he doesn't want to lose everything he care about, included Kallen, because he release he was doing what he was doing just fir his little sister, it was also for the people he care the most. As he rejected Shirley to protect her, he also do the same with Kallen at the end of the series. When she kiss him. He also develop feelings for her and we can confirm the when Kallen was kidnapped by Britannia. He didn't "sacrifice" her and he also was truly angry with Susaku, because he thought Susaku wanted to take away everything that really matters to him. He also felt really betrayed by Suzaku and decided to "turn off" his feelings, but he couldn't with the girls he care in the series. He tried to be the less emotional with Kallen the last time he sees her for her sake, and that is what make me root for her, also her personality matches really well with Lelouch and complement each other. Lelouch recognize that he couldn't made everything he did without her and that makes a perfect team. In my opinion she was the best girl for him, then Shirley and in the final C.C.
as for the age thing it depends what type of immortality she has. some shows/movies the character mentality does age and act like a wise old man or woman but in other tv/shows movies although they live for hundreds or even thousands of year they mentality stay the same age. sure they are still often times wiser but in those scenarios they stay juvenile because they mentality are permanently frozen in that age/time space. like #5 in the umbrella academy vs goku in saiyuki and etc.
Honestly, I think part of the answer of who could have loved Lelouch is in one of the picture dramas: Stage 0. 97: ua-cam.com/video/-0lVuRlaGts/v-deo.html At one point Lelouch thinks about what he wants. "What I really need is another person that I can rely on, someone I could never betray me, but of course there's no one like that" I'm sorry but the only ones that fit that description are Shirley and, to some extent, CC. Kallen is ruled out for me, for the same thing that is said in the video, Lelouch wasn't honest with her, another thing is that she betrayed him several times only because he wasn't the type of man she liked, always wanting be some kind of exemplary national hero for her to love. What happened in Turn 7, do people really interpret it as the best KaLulu moment, where it is shown that they liked each other? That? That moment actually seems the opposite to me, starting with Kallen betraying Lelouch at the end of R1 because she considered him a bloody monster who only cares about himself, but in that chapter after she saw the refrain, Kallen made it clear that she didn't care how he felt and demanded that he had to focus on her and BKs, she didn't care that she was asking him to attack Nunnally, his little sister, I don't even remember her asking him about what happened between R1 and R2 and vice versa, she never knew why Euphemia acted like that in the SAZ or that he was turned into a puppet in the EU, she just decided to focus on her, being curious why she didn't like that Lelouch supposedly only focused on his own butt . Lelouch may have found her attractive, but that doesn't translate to love, I can't even imagine Lelouch dating a girl just because he finds sexy, it goes against his character who always tries to control all his emotions . In CC's case, it's curiously simpler, she acted as his shoulder to cry on during the series, she was one of the few people who knew what happened to Euphemia, she was also one of the few who understood Lelouch and vice versa, it wouldn't be surprising if Lelouch didn't even care about CC's age, his own mother was one of the people he loved the most and she married a man who, with his age, could be his father and even so it was never shown that they had problems with their age. The real problem with CC is that she did betray and manipulate Lelouch, and this cannot be excused either, because she herself decided to take BK after R1 of her own free will, she showed that she did care about Lelouch, but due to his constant cowardice, she didn't tell him the truth, she even sealed her code conveniently after the code and Charles were revealed, to later return when it was revealed that she always knew the truth, once again, what a coward CC is, writers are also cowardly by not giving CC real consequences for what he did and only condemning Lelouch and Susaku, but that's another topic. Shirley is essentially the only one who wasn't given a moment to comfort Lelouch in his grief unlike the other two mentioned, but considering her final response before she died, it's highly likely that if she were willing to try to understand him, that would be fine too. to emphasize that Shirley was the only one who did not betray Lelouch's trust, it was in fact the other way around and that is something that Lelouch always hurt him to have done, the closest thing to betraying him was Mao and I think it's not necessary to explain how they came to In this situation, finally I want to mention something curious and that is that originally Shirley's name was Euphy, but it was changed and this is striking if you consider that Euphemia was Lelouch's childhood love.... And before someone comes to try to defend Kallen and CC for what they did to Lelouch, arguing that Lelouch isn't a saint with them, well yes, Lelouch is not innocent, but that doesn't take away the actions of Kallen and CC, it's like Mary kicking a dog and being accused by Tom who punched Mary in the face and you jump in to defend Mary for what she did and ignore why Tom hit Mary. PS: funny as it sounds, I'm team CluClu lol and I still feel that Lelouch was more focused on other things and left his romantic life aside, but I can't deny that maybe he had feelings for Shirley
Something that I forgot to say is that Lelouch didn't really care much that CC didn't tell him her wish and how he should fulfill it, but it seems that he only got upset with her later because of Marianne, unfortunately we don't see what happened in that month between them or even how Lelouch convinced Susaku, we also don't see what happened after Damocles and we jump straight to the end, that's something I didn't like in the series, the pace at the end is very fast. What I want to get at is that Lelouch cared about CC so much that he even forgives her for what she did and we could say the same with CC, since she didn't try to do anything to Lelouch after shooting Mao or even the fact that in the end he left her alone, maybe Lelouch could have loved Shirley, but Shirley and Lelouch's lives were so different that one of them could get hurt without even wanting to, see how VV killed Marianne and Charles decided that the best thing was to despise their children in public. I think that's the strong point with Lelouch and CC, they are able to be together without having to worry about the lifestyle they lead that might make the other uncomfortable
@@Kat-uj6rp, это самая правильная вещь, которую я слышала про взаимоотношения персонажей. Но, я не совсем согласна, что С.С. не столкнулась с последствиями своих действий. Все-таки за свои действия были наказаны все троя. Лелуш умер ненавистным всеми человеком, хотя мечтал о долгой мирной жизни с Нанали. Сузаку продолжит долгую жизнь в роли того, кого ненавидел всей душой, хотя все аниме пытался умереть. А С.С. продолжит жить, что конкретно для нее довольно-таки плохой финал. За 600 лет она не встретила человека, который бы понимал и принимал ее как Лелуш. Неудивительно, что по итогу ей пришлось смириться с тем, что она его любит. Но и похоронить его почти сразу после осознания. Скорее всего она снова впадет в глубокую депрессию, но при этом будет жить еще долго, т.к. не сможет никому передать код. P.S. я надеюсь, что переводчик сможет правильно передать смысл написанного
@@Velemira Это интересный взгляд на вещи, но даже в этом случае я чувствую, что чего-то не хватает, я думаю, что в этом случае с тремя главными героями это было то, что они объединились для реквиема, но не было показано, как они пришли к этому соглашению. или как им удалось проникнуть в Пендрагон. Даже глядя на мангу, в которой подробно описывается реквием, в ней ничего не говорится о том, что произошло за месяц до того, как Лелуш взошел на трон, или за два месяца до его смерти. Это очень странно, потому что с Сусаку и Лелушем мы пришли к более ясному и прямому выводу, единственное, что я нашел, это отрывок, когда Лелуш получает костюмы и отдает их Сузаку в магазине (думаю, это была столовая). Мне бы хотелось увидеть, как именно Лелуш пришел к выводу, что простит СиСи и даже признал, что она не виновата в его несчастье как таковом, или как Сузаку решил поверить в то, что Лелуш присоединится к его плану, не рискуя. быть преданным Что-то забавное, что говорят в фандоме, это то, что многие говорят, что они не показывали нам, что произошло между двумя месяцами, это было потому, что у СиСи было что-то романтическое с Лелушем, но они хотели, чтобы все было двусмысленно, что-то, что, если вы скажете в фандоме это вооруженная война, лол (мне кажется, что это стало еще хуже, когда в других СМИ, таких как воскрешение или репетитор Лелуша, они фактически поставили его в пару с СиСи, чего-то не произошло с другими девушками) Но, как сказано в видео, люди не принимают во внимание точку зрения Лелуша на девушек, так как, видя много старых комментариев, на самом деле все было основано на том, что чувствовали девушки, и, как правило, говорили, что то, что она чувствует, будет тем же самым. что чувствует Лелуш, когда все не так, даже в реальной жизни так не бывает, ваша влюбленность в конце концов, как бы вы его ни любили, не означает, что он обязан вам отвечать взаимностью и это что-то что немногие понимают. Я просто надеюсь, что смысл не потеряется при переводе.
@@Kat-uj6rp начиная со 2 сезона многое решали "Большие боссы", а многие сценарии остались черновиками, потому что у студии были конкретные планы на Код Гиас. Например, создатели хотели чтобы украли СС, а не Карен. После чего Лелуш полетит её спасать, и, как следствие, у них завязался бы роман. (Информация из твитерра одного из сценаристов). Но студия забракавала эту концепцию, так как хотела больше неопределённости в отношениях Лелуша. Тоже самое и с концовкой. На сколько я знаю, в сериале должно было быть больше серий, и лучше прописана арка правления. Но их очень торопили с выходом сезона, дабы быстрее пустить сезон в прокат, потому сценаристам пришлось резать сценарий. От всех задумок у нас остался только арт бук, увы. P.S. спасибо, что перевели все на мой язык. Прошу прощения, что не могу сделать тоже самое в вашу сторону.
@@Velemira Вы имеете в виду книгу Clamp, где было показано, что Лелуш должен был стать альбиносом, а сестры Ли Британиан были блондинками? Я правда видел только концепт-арт с переведенными нотами, но что любопытно, в книге фигурирует британское платье СиСи (которое честно похоже на платье императрицы), то самое, что ей сделали фигурку, чтобы поставить ее в один ряд с Императором Лелуш и Рыцарь Зеро Сузаку. Мне кажется любопытным, что это платье существовало в зарисовках Клэмпа, так что это только подтверждает более чем действительно то, что Каллен влюблялась в Лелуша (в зарисовках Каллена не упоминается никаких зацепок), это было больше потому, что Каллен стала популярной Либо это или создатели на самом деле не знают, как писать романтические пары, что странно, потому что было показано, что для них это не невозможно, см. Судзаку и Юфимию или Лейлу и Акито. На самом деле, именно из этой книги я получил информацию о том, что Ширли вначале звали Юфи, другая информация, которая появляется о Ширли, заключается в том, что она родилась из общего наброска персонажа, чтобы заполнить фон, но они нашли ее такой милой. что они превратили ее во второстепенного персонажа. Я чувствую, что Каллен действительно впустую, мы помним ее больше по ее увлечению, когда на самом деле она в R1 была более интересной, например, то, что она скорбит о потере своего брата, ее мать впала в кому, ее отец даже не имеет значения в ее жизни и ее мачеха обращается с ней как с стервой, но ничего из этого не затронуто в R2, на самом деле это так меня беспокоило, когда я прочитал ее стихотворение и увидел, что она готова бросить все, только если Лелуш возьмет ее как свою партнер, но в качестве своего отказа она не колеблясь нападает на него, показывая, что он был таким же лицемерным, как и другие персонажи, почему они это сделали? Мне даже кажется плохой шуткой то, что они сделали с этой девушкой. Что ж, по крайней мере кажется, что в итоге можно сказать, что она действительно проявила себя как один из лучших бойцов в сериале и стала легендой на поле боя. Я повторю еще раз, Code Geass кажется мне очень хорошим аниме, но у него действительно много проблем с R2, что-то, что меня не только злит, но и огорчает, потому что оно могло быть лучше.
Now I need to be that guy. Lelouch is clearly not into Nunally. He has been her main caretaker for years, it is obvious he will fuse like crazy over her. .... Nunally on the other hand? ... Well she always gave me the weird vibes. With that out of the way. I say that he DOES love CC more than Shirley, but in a different way. I feel that they are at their core friendsm with some romantic undertones, but they are above all, each other's saviour. But Shirley is Lelouch romantic interest, I really like when after the Chinese Federation arc, it is Shirley advice the one he takes and Shirley is the one that always reaches out ot Lelouch and manages to touch his soul at sveral points.
All Shirley needed to be happy was Lelouch. But Lelouch would never be truly satisfied being a normal husband etc. CC and Lelouch supported and understood each other’s true wish. Lelouch wanted to prevent the heart ache he went through from ever happening again. While I believe he did care for her I think he viewed it similarly to his love for Euphemia, as a remnant from a different path he would never walk.
@@MyMediaChops the Japanese description there is like this ≪ストーリー≫ 皇暦2018年。ブリタニアの皇子であり、ゼロという名で黒の騎士団を率い、ギアスの力と己の知略でブリタニアに反逆したルルーシュは、 その記憶を父親であるブリタニア皇帝シャルルにより消去され、別の記憶を与えられ、学生としての日々を過ごしていた。 しかし、C.C.との再会により記憶を全て取り戻した彼は、再びブリタニアに宣戦布告する。 自分を裏切った親友・スザク、偽りの弟・ロロ、そして愛した少女・シャーリー…ギアスの力を他人に知られ、 敵からも味方からも追われることになったルルーシュ。ついには何よりもかけがえのない大切な妹・ナナリーさえも、敵として対面することになる…！ ―これはゼロ・レクイエム。ルルーシュとスザクの約束。 その為に、2人はすべての絶望と贖罪の物語に幕を下ろす。
You can go to the blu-ray or DVD for R2 in either A-one or Anime page, from the CG JP official page, and look at the description there with Google Translate. Unfortunately I can't post any links here. There Shirley is referred to as "the girl he loved"
@@MyMediaChops you need to go to the Japanese store, either animate or a-one or rakuten, then search for code Geass (the Japanese words) R2 dvd or blu-ray box. All of them uses the same description, which I believe should have come from Sunrise. Since Sunrise would not let the store write their own description for Sunrise's story I assume
IMO, Lelouch sees Shirley like he sees Euphie before. They have too much difference in beliefs and morals but Lelouch will wield to them but he will never really truly approve of their opinions. They will never be able to see eye to eye. He will not be truly himself with Shirley though he cares for her, but not deeply enough for a long term romantic relationship. There will be too much secret in that partnership. That it may actually become toxic long term. Lelouch will definitely go behind her back like he does with the chess gambling. As for Kallen, I think he sees her like he sees Suzaku in a bit lesser extent. Their relationship is more like bestfriends who tease/joke and argue with each other with a one sided romantic feelings in the other side(Kallen)😅or it's just the battlefield adrenaline talking there... And Kallen can't really put her mind on the Zero/Lelouch thing. And for CC, they have a lot of differences but they also have a lot of similarities. Morality is out of the window for her for along time and he is actually guiding Lelouch not to go down there or stay there too much. These two can actually see/talk eye to eye and equally come to an agreement without the other compromising or giving up too much, atleast with the important serious stuff. So imo, Shirley was the First Love who you'll never forget(well,technically 2nd with Euphie there), Kallen is the bestfriend who got friendzoned😆, and CC is the partner for life.
Lelouch actually has schizoid personality disorder. Trust me, that explains his character entirely, especially the subject of this video! I really highly recommend looking into that angle!
something people tend to ignore about anime is the background, shirley died in a mall, so why are those big church like windows there, well simple the creator wanted to make it seem like a wedding basically if that makes sense, also the emptiness, there are no tables, nothing, it's all empty, showing that lelouch is empty without shirley, btw i liked kallen more as a love interest for leloch, but it would've turned into her obsession. i do not know what they were thinking when they made shirley's death scene, but that's what i get from it... also his reaction to rollo was clearly the reaction of a man who does not care anyway, this is when lelouch started blundering hard too, also instantly seeking revenge.....that's just my opinion and i've watch a lot of psichological animes my favorite being either evangelion either monster, both use the background as a plot to tell character ideas
PLENTY. Charles' motivations were a whole lot different in S1. This is the dude who laughed and even congratulated Lelouch on what he made Euphemia dude. C's world also appears to be different. Charles comments on having talked with Clovis after his death and C.C. tells Mao to wait for her in C's world. Suzaku had a connection to Geass and Marianna somehow teleported Lelouch, Suzaku, Kallen and Euphemia to Kamine island.
To me it was C.C. Euphemia had a bit of the crush on Lelouch as a child and so did Lelouch. Had him never being exiled by the Britannia Family something could've happened. However aside from this, plus Euphy meeting Suzaku kinda ended the possibility of this relationship. Kallen is an interesting case because something is pretty obvious: She loves Zero but not fully loves Lelouch. For her Zero was the one that gave her and her friends hope in defeating Britannia. Plus while Lelouch has a special attachment to Kallen I don't he has that kind of feelings. Shirley could've been with Lelouch as she loved every part of him however she died before anything could happen. He's shown to have a rather great attachment to Shirley but as mentioned he didn't had the time to devote himself to this relationship, especially with how heartbroken he was after her death. This changed his mindset on the Geass Order from trying to take advantage of it to complete extermination. Milly is an interesting case as it's heavily implied that she had feelings for Lelouch but Lelouch ever saw her like that. To him Milly was a good friend that helped him and Nunally when they needed the most. C.C. is unironically the one Lelouch hold very dearly. He never put on any mask with her, always treated her as his equal and they were always there for each other in their worst moments.
I've seen the show a couple of times and I agree in terms of Shirleys and CCs points... As for Kallen, it always seemed to me that he cared a lot for her, maybe felt atracted to her, but he saw her as one of his greatest soldiers... I mean, he forgets about her when he gets lost in that beach with Euphy, and then sees her and says "hey, lets trade!" To Suzaku 😅 Again, he cares about her... But, I don't think she's a real love interest
For me it's C2. I already doubt it's Kallen, because we see her say goodbye to him on the very last episodes of Code Geass S2 not to mention that she cared for Zero. Shirley is still a question, some say yes he did end with her, for he died (?). But we see C2, at the very end of the series, on a cart, and questions him. We can thought it's him though, and we see how C2 really cared for him throughout the series. The movie version gave a different ending for Lelouch and CC, where we see them live happily and the post-credit scene in the Resurrection.
It is obviously cc With kallen he was using her and if we imagined he did respect kallen as a person at best he would consider her a friend With shirely there is nothing interesting to discuss anyways But at best we would say she is one of the people that remind him of his school life which he appreciates He thinks of her a friend like obviously Also why do people say she loves every part of him?? She doesn't even know him that well She doesn't know why he does what he does She doesn't know about his parents or his situation She knows nothing about lelouch about the real him Just because she forgave him (which doesn't makes sense for me) doesn't mean she knows him She only knows what she saw of him which is his school and it is a very small part of him compared to the rest Lelouch went out with her but it doesn't really seem he took it seriously If he truly loved her he will consider the dating thing and take it seriously Plus their realionship is very underdeveloped and uninteresting so even putting their feelings aside I don't ship them and I don't like their realionship It is obviously cc because he literally tells her he will make her smile What is that if it isn't a confession? He shares with her nearly everything He trusts her with his life With both kallen and shirely (especially shirely) they don't know the first thing about him While with he tells her everything his thoughts , plans and everything on his mind When you love someone especially romantically you consider telling them more about you we never see lelouch consider doing that with shirely or kallen yet he surely does that with cc Plus their realionship feels like an actual realionship it is well developed and better written than any of lelouch 's other dynamics
CC ALWAYS HOLDING IT DOWN. The scene where she spreads his hair and holds his head close to her did it for me. She says she'll still with him to the end .
I think when lelouch thought that nunally died he was trying to process that info or maybe he might have been in disbelief compared to watching the body of someone you know die
I think (in my own opinion) Lelouch's relationship with the gals can be best summed up in these ways (I'm using song titles here to basically sum things up)... Shirley - What Hurts The Most (Rascal Flatts) Kallen - If Only (Dove Cameron)/The One That Got Away (Katy Perry) CC - 8 Letters (Why Don't We) (For the alt timeline) These are just my opinions though.
i'm gonna be honest, C.C sent my man's to the couch and made him sleep on the ground so she wins the race for me and let's be honest, any world where Lelouch has a geass he would eventually endup with C.C, be honest guys, she lives in his room and even if he married Shirley or Kallen or anyone else, she would be living with them and that just doesn't work for marriage eventually he would stay with her
This is my opinion, as i watched the anime recently and i have my own opinions. I want to agree that Lelouch has a great connection with Shirley, and i would even say after watching this video, and collecting my thoughts that the two of them have the most natural connection, because that's pretty much the only examples of what the show focuses on when they're together. Lelouch didn't initially had feelings for her, but he gained those feelings over time, of course he also feels guilty that he was the cause of her father's death, which was the moment he started taking her seriously and paying more attention to her, because he generally didn't want any of his friends to be involved in what he was doing, and as she became more involved, his concern for her grew more, he didn't want her to get hurt, not wanting to lose anyone dear to him from the people he knew personally. His romantic feelings for Kallen aren't shown enough, it didn't mean he didn't feel anything for her in that sense, and of course his relationship with her is impossible due to the position he occupies in her life, constantly put in situations where he has to strategize or be that leader that everyone looks up to. There just wasn't room for a bigger form of romance between them, because the story didn't give them that chance, Lelouch is Zero, so he has to think about everything and everyone, he commands and treats them like chess pieces until an important person is in danger, then he starts to strategize according to his feelings and not cold tactics, and Kallen is very high on his list, the person who would make him break the previous and smarter tactics, and break beyond the Zero character he holds, while at school he can be himself and around someone like Shirley, but he can't be completely relaxed around Kallen because of their double lives. If he didn't feel anything for her he wouldn't have made any promise to her in a private form like that 8:30 moment before they were interrupted, simply even though I personally would have liked it more for the two of them to be together, the story and the structure of the events could not have allow it to hapend. C.C. is a special case, she may have some romantic feelings for Lelouch, but it never occurred to me that they could be a couple while watching the anime, the two are definitely partners due to technical and necessity reasons, there was no romance there from his perspective, he considered her as a useful partner to realize his plans from beginning to end, only later he gained some feelings for her but not in a romantic sense. To me they seemed more like a partnership tandem that formed into an unbreakable friendship, that they can always count on to each other, but nothing on the romantic side. If I were to rank which girl had the most romantic significance in Lelouch's soul, I would rank them like this. 1. Shirley 2. Kallen 3. C.C.
When you love someone you let them into your private inner world. Lelouch didn't tell Shirley about him being a prince or being Zero so no romantic feelings there. Just friendship. Ever since his mother died Lelouch said he felt dead so maybe he didn't have time for romance while plotting how to overthrow Brittania. Lelouch didn't love any of the three.
ok. i honestly think there are 5 sort of love interests some i can explain reasoning but others it was just a bit of a vibe. im fairly certain he referred to euphy as his first true love or something to that extent (this is probably my least favorite due to its a bit wierd plus i like her and suzaku more but felt should be stated). madam prez was a vibe kind of between interactions and stuff that make me think pre geass it was a strong possibility. kallen i always got the vibe he specifically tried to lock up any feelings towards her given they could both die at any point and he genuinely seems to more and more push people away avoiding as much as possible to get close and i figured that was due to the forewarning of the punishment for his geass that hes forced into isolation so he just self imposes further especially after shirley death up until the zero requiem. shirley was the big one i dont think he could keep his guard up against. i always kinda thought even when dating he was trying to keep distance because of previous cirumstances but when she had told him she got her memories back and still picked him over all else thats where he was hit with his true feelings and extreme guilt which is why its one of if not the most emotional moments we see of him. as for cc i think up until the end of season 1 they were just partners in crime so to speak and shared a secret. after his father and mother though i think thats where the relationship really started to build up steam rather rapidly. all in all my favorite paring would be lelouch and kallen but i dont really dislike any of the 3 main pairings i think they all were parts of lelouch that were important in the story.
In your opinion, what counts as CG's abandoned subplots? The quick run-through at the beginning shows images of Suzaku and Euphemia's relationship, but that of course was abandoned due to Euphie's death so it's not some hanging plot thread. Any others worth thinking of?
Really good analysis. Great work. I think Lelouch loved Suzaku the most followed by C2 followed by Shirley and then Kallen in last place in the friendzone.
Probably none of them But C2 (or C.C.) is the closest one. Kallen was a very close friend at best for him. He did value her and mist likely knew about her feelings towards him, but the only time he acted on it when he was almost giving up. And this is when he almost choose the easiest options. Shirley is a bit more complicated. First it is obvious that he also knew about her feelings. Secondly we have to look at Lelouch pre EP1. He was almost a living husk, only living for the sake of his sister and a chance for revenge. I think almost every "romantic" action he did, was out of guilt. Do not forgot he killed her father (who she was really close to), who was not an enemy soldier. And it was not even a calculated risk, it was a mistake (the landslide was bigger than he thought). So in his eye his plan and incompetence lead to suffering of a person, who loved him. Mao made it worse, so to not risk her life he made her forget. The episode where she died is a catalyst for him, because she died because of a miscalculation on his part again. If he killed Rollo earlier she would not have died. If the Geass was never existed, she would still be alive and have her father. That is also why he saw Geass of the source of evil and went to destroy it (not his orginal plan). Also an event (in the Anime) that lead to his downfall, because the consequences of the massacre was, what lead the black knights to be suspicious of him.
I'm late to this but this got me thinking on how Lelouch might see relationships, he shows no physical attraction to any of the women that are interested in him but show attraction to those he had an emotional connection with. Shirley was part of his life for awhile and built that connection . She made him happy and because of that connection he might also see this as a sign of weakness explaining his second gassing his choice on not shooting her. emotionally he understands why he let her live, because he deeply cares for her but rationally and logically (basically remove the emotions) the safest choice for him was to kill her. This also shows a good parallel with her actual death Rolo had no connection with her but did have a one-sided relationship with Lelouch at the time. He knew the safe choice for Lelouch and took that but still understood his feeling for her but not hers to him. This is one of the few times in the anime where a character he has a deep connection with is truly lost and he knows there is no getting her back. C2 on the other hand is the person that forces herself into his life at first and slowly builds up to that connection with him through out the show. they become equals and slowly start to care for one another. Since the cannon ending of the show is Lelouch dying at the end as the enemy of the world, that's where there relationship ends with C2 caring for him and remembering him fondly with her closing line on the anime. The AU movies show what would of happened if he lived with them getting and even deeper emotional connection. By the end it's clear they love each other and Lelouch kept his promise of giving C2 happiness shown by the honest smiles and banter they have at the end. Kallen out of the three girls is the only one he never builds this kind of connection with. First seeing her as one of his tools to achieve his goal and slowly seeing her as an actual friend over time, building a connection but never as strong as the other two. He treats her as any of his other friends he has a similar connection too. Keeping her at arms length away and never building a stronger connection and the reason is kind of simple and dumb when you look at it. Shirley actively chase after Lelouch and pushed her way into his life, C2 forced her way and pushed on him. Kallen was next to him but never understood she would haver to push past that arm just to even get a chance to make a connection like the other two did. they may of had moments from her perspective that could have led to romance but from his it was just another day with a close friend and the awkward moments they end up having. These three relationships also show what kind of person Lelouch is and what others haver to do too truly get close to him
People who say he was never interested in Kallen are just biased. He had feelings for all of them but died before these feelings could ever grow into anything else.
not watching the video yet but just wanted to comment IF IT AINT BEST GIRL C2 IM GONNA SCREAM LIKE DAM I HAVENT FINISHED CODE GEASS BUT BY FAR I LOVE HER THE MOST SHE IS SO AMAZING TO ME AND I LIKE HER PERSONALITY LELOUCH X C2 FOREVER
im at the part of shirleys death and suzaku confronting lelouch honestly i just got nervous and shutted down and ik c2 lost her memory just idk the confrontation is scary...
Idk, i never really thought about romance in this series. It always was more of a uninteresting side plot and non of the girl, in my eyes, are real love interest. But I have to say das C.C and Lulu (lol） have a really special relationship of trust ans mutual growth, but some how i would pin point it as typical romance. They have something unique and I’m glad that they stay together.
My main cuestins are foloving: 1. Is Sherly dead? Is so, is he playing an role in geas-conektin to lelushe? Point is, is it posibel for Sherly to yous her geas in C-world and later for C2 to greng Sherly her code to resurektian? 2. Gave/gifted C2 Sherly a geas? 3. Did she truly find out that Leluche was Cero Zero before her deth?
So first I just want to say, I don't think Lelouch is a character well suited for the traditional 1-on-1 romantic relationship. Raised in a harem where Schniezel was probably closer to a father than his actual father, traumatized by the war, forced into hiding after. I feel like a small poly relationship would fit his character best, he's always doing this anyways, making small tight knit groups to rely on. I do think that is his idea of "family", him, Suzaku, and C.C. at the end with Jeremiah popping in and out, seems more like what he'd be happy with rather than just him and C.C. I know some people will just label that a "harem" and act disgusted but I just don't think Lelouch fits the 'one half of a relationship' mold, him, Suzaku, C.C., AND Shirley all mutually together would probably be the "ideal", although obviously there are dozens of reasons that's not realistic in-series. But if we are talking about the strict, 'normal', relationships, yeah it's Shirley. He cares about Kallen but I don't think he ever let it progress further, she was his knight he can't just compromise her. And yes he loves C.C. but their relationship is founded on lies, manipulation, and a kind of forced trust. Love does not always mean a romantic thing, they are simply to OK with using each other for their own gain. With Shirley he never wants to do anything wrong by her and only does it when he thinks it'll ultimately be best for her, that care is what would make the relationship not just love.
I'm happy he ended up with C.C in the movie. She's the most useful to him, from giving him power, emotional support, significant advises, etc. Vice versa. Lelouch is also useful to her which compliments the dynamic of the story's mood. They have this bond that exceeds the other girls. Additionally, she's the only one who knows him inside and outside. If Lelouch is revived by CC physically, then she is revived by him emotionally. The fact that the creator also made an effort having 2 songs dedicated to the couple. Revive by Unione (Lelouch's response to CC)
I think If we want to find who he loved the most among the three girls, we should look at how he treated his precious ones. From the beginning, Lelouch’s precious persons are Nunnally and Suzaku. We can see that Lelouch was never willing to let them go from his side and also tried to bring them on his side too. Throughout the story, the only girl who he did not want to let go of is C.C. and He devoted himself to being Demon to be with her though as same as he became Zero for Nunnally. Of course, it can view that Lelouch left Shirley or Kallen because he loved them, I did not mean to offend but His love for them is different level with his precious persons. p.s. I disagree with c.c.’s word that you left them because you did not want to lose them, even though she has a lot of experience, it does not mean she is always right. Because you can see that the person who was kept at a distance was either dead or heartbroken (like Mao/Shirley/Rolo’s case). it was never gonna end well. It did not different from what Charles and Mariann did to Lelouch and Nunnally. Just like Lelouch said it is not a good thing but forcing those good intentions on others. That is no different than evil intention, just happy to be watching from afar.
thanks to this , i will rewatch code geass. i watched it 4 years ago and in my mind it was CC and Lelouch all the way , while i considered Kallen and Shirly one sided. i think there is more depth to it that's why i'll rewatch it with a more present mind this time .
He wanted to be with Shirley , but like he said: "Everything about my normal life is a lie. It was never real".... That includes Her unfortunately. And that weighed so heavily on him, he almost lost it. I'd say next to Nunnally, he loved her the most.
This is just my opinion but if lelouch could, if ever, bury his hatred for brittania for the misfortune that he and nunnally's experience, he would end up with shirley. shirley and nunnally in this anime signify his innocence, his soft side so to say and i really ship this hard. as for kallen, i see them as superior(lelouch/zero) and his subordinate (kallen). the reason lelouch act the way he did was solely to achieve his ambition and he used and manipulate kallen like a queen piece in his chessboard. so like in this vid, it is indeed a one sided relationship with lelouch manipulate kallen and the black knight by extension while kallen and co. had to put all of their bet with lelouch/zero in a war against brittania. as for C.C, she is his accomplice, his closes confidant yet he knew C.C is not to be trusted due to all the secrets she kept to herself. even if the anime or alternate timeline shows that lelouch ends up with C.C, its mostly due to the kinship (2 immortals) or aligning interest. i mean they both are most of the time may use innuendos/imply or use snark remarks with each others but maybe in due time they could end up together as long as C.C could bear it (i mean that woman is so fickle).
His hatred for britania and his past are a part of him so if he didn't have those things he wouldn't be the same person andhe wouldn't evdn see shirely as anything special because the reason she us special for him is because she is representing for his school life he abandoned He never took the dating thing seriously and I don't think he romantically loved her I mean I agree with you on kallen I think everyone does How is cc not to be trusted? In the end of the series she literally told him all her backstory and motives Lelouch literally trusts her with his life she saved his a$$ many times and he talks to her about things he doesn't talk with anyone about In the other timeline he ended up with her because he obviously loves her not just because of kinship or immortality He could have stayed with Nunnally or went to shirely (shirely is alive at that timeline) but he chose not to which says alot She is the only he actually confessed to he literally told her he will make her smile what is that if it is a confession She is the only one he actually told his real actual thoughts to something he never did with anybody not shirely or kallen Cc would bear it (like she has been loyal to him this whole time and the alternative timeline proves she would bear it)she isn't fickle kallen and lelouch seem more fickle than she is imo If you disagree with me that's completely fine Anyways have a nice day
His hatred for britania and his past are a part of him so if he didn't have those things he wouldn't be the same person andhe wouldn't evdn see shirely as anything special because the reason she us special for him is because she is representing for his school life he abandoned He never took the dating thing seriously and I don't think he romantically loved her I mean I agree with you on kallen I think everyone does How is cc not to be trusted? In the end of the series she literally told him all her backstory and motives Lelouch literally trusts her with his life she saved his a$$ many times and he talks to her about things he doesn't talk with anyone about In the other timeline he ended up with her because he obviously loves her not just because of kinship or immortality He could have stayed with Nunnally or went to shirely (shirely is alive at that timeline) but he chose not to which says alot She is the only he actually confessed to he literally told her he will make her smile what is that if it is a confession She is the only one he actually told his real actual thoughts to something he never did with anybody not shirely or kallen Cc would bear it (like she has been loyal to him this whole time and the alternative timeline proves she would bear it)she isn't fickle kallen and lelouch seem more fickle than she is imo If you disagree with me that's completely fine Anyways have a nice day
@@rawdasalmataman7908 its ok and i understand. as mentioned, perhaps in alternate universe where there is only the commoner lelouch lamperouge (not lelouch vi brittania/zero) and shirley fennet, i believe they would stay or end up together. as for C.C, i loved her as a character but personally i abhor/hate that type or how she is portrayed. just rewatched R2 and at EP14/15 when Charles could grant her then wish, she switches side quickly when seeing lelouch to be lacking in resolve. but as i shared earlier, its just me nitpicking on C.C as the story was presented. but yea, not mad or anything and i respect your opinion and views regards these characters.
@@asrafkhalid1231 I don't think that and I don't think lelouch thought of her romantically Like I said he cares about her because she is his friend and a representation of his school life Lelouch without zero or lelouch vi britania is not lelouch Lelouch vi britania is basically his true self Well lelouch refused to kill her so what did you expect her to do? She made the contract with him in the first place so her wish can come true and he refused to make it come true She did more for him than he ever did to her (at least until that episode) Lelouch was using her as well many times actually Either way lelouch would have had this confrontation with Charles even if she took his side Charles already became immortal and there is nothing stopping him and cc going with Charles or lelouch won't change anything If lelouch did agree to killing her she wouldn't have even went with Charles But then cc showed him her past which made him know her true wish But I think I get your criticism I just don't agree with it Anyways bye and have a nice day
@@asrafkhalid1231 ты же в курсе, что она мечтала умереть около 500а лет? СС была в тяжелейшей депрессии, и единственным спасением была смерть. Да, она собиралась принять смерть от Чарльза, потому что он в отличие от Лелуша (он по сути отказался выполнять контракт) планировал выполнить обещание. Неужели то, что она вопреки давней мечты в итоге выбрала Лелуша не является показателем ее чувств? Да, она потом добровольно закрылась в себе, но кто бы не стал. Она считай только что отказалась от всего ради эгоистичного самовлюбленного ребенка.
The truth about Lelouch's love life is it's...complicated. Honestly I think he wasn't really going to be able to end up with any of them. On rewatch he said "the only ones who should kill are those prepared to be killed" and one of the first things we see him do is command a group of people to commit suicide & kill his half brother. He knew the end game so to him it didn't really matter while he honestly had feelings for all of them but he knew that in the end it would have been cruel to pursue a relationship with any of them
I think a lot of your points about Shirley misinterpret Lelouch's feelings and reactions. Much of what you're considering to be signs of love are guilt/sadness. Shirley's relationship with Lelouch exemplifies his doubts that becoming Zero/leading the rebellion was the right thing to do. She reminds him, constantly, of his failings. Lelouch had his first kiss with her while feeling guilt about the landslide that killed her father. He was going to blow off a date with her until CC pushed for it. He considered killing her when she realized who he was. He only feels like he lost something when he has to Geass her memories away. But that's him losing a friend and fixing the trauma he had caused her. Shes an innocent person who lost family, her innocence, and her will to live - come the Mao episode. She's Lelouch's greatest failing. He doesnt try to follow up, romantically, until R2 when everyones minds had been further reset. And even then, his massive showing of sorrow at her death is guilt for his mistake. He had ALOT of mistakes in a short period. He manipulated Rolo using his affection against him. Shirley's mind broke, AGAIN, because of Lelouch + his family meddling. And Lelouch's drama ultimately cost Shirley her life. He had just lost his sister to his father. Kallen couldnt return to school + had just been captured by Britannia. And now, Lelouch's actions have failed again. HIS fault. Directly his fault. Using Rolo as a tool, leading him on by his emotions, was Lelouch's choice and blew up spectacularly. Dude was desperate for something to go right. Yeah, he wanted a kiss in R2 Ep12, he's still a guy, but he doesn't seem so attracted to her. In Kallen's case, all of that "teasing" that's only done to her is him sexualizing her. She's the only one he sees in that way in the entire series. Shirley is stacked and has a few revealing scenes. Nothing. Viletta walked around in a bathing suit. Nothing. Rakshata is spilling out her lab coat and always laying in sexy positions. Nothing. Say what you will about Kallen, but she's got the only pair of tits that could elicit a response (multiple times) lol
There are some interesting insights here about Lelouch's feelings only being based on guilt. I never got the impression based on his interactions with Shirley that he only loved her because of guilt. He wanted a kiss from Shirley after saying his feelings for her were serious. I understand the argument that he only accepted Shirley's love out of guilt but I think there's more going on there. I don't disagree that Shirely consistently made him doubt being Zero. The problem with your arguments with Kallen is that Leluoch just says hey I can see you naked as opposed to something more of a compliment. He doesn't make that joke with Rakshata because she doesn't give a shit. With Shirley she's barely exposed and with C.C. he found more interesting ways to tease her. With Kallen it was just a superficial thing, You are right technically only her nakedness caused Lelouch to say something even if it was insulting. Much like how he only kissed Shirley I don't know what that means in the long run.
I always saw his relationship with Shirley as her being the symbol and the last remnant of his "normal life," an opportunity that couldn't be explored due to his circumstances. If Lelouch didn't get the geass, they would've been a thing, but as it is, I don't think the love was that mutual. Some buried feelings and wondering "what if", sure, but nothing concrete or rlly thought about to my understanding
I think that was plan for him to either end up Shirley or her being out right no competition the one loves more then anybody beside his sister. But fan reaction to C2 made him think about witching things up a bit. And Kallen was always going to third or 4th on that list of most loved. But she definitely in the 5 people he loves the most. I think he had love for two or three of his siblings two that was not his mother child.
Another hint for Shirley, is in R1 episode 15 when Lelouch was angry with CC about how the whole Mao thing happened and he had to wipe Shirley's memories, he knocked over a single chess piece: its a white queen, likely symbolism that Shirley was his "queen". In R2 ep 14 after Shirley's death and Lelouch told C2 about it, there's also a chessboard shown with all the chess pieces scattered all over, and this time, we can we both the Black King and the White Queen both knocked down on the chess board Another hint of Lelouch potentially admitting to having feelings for Shirley but held back, was when he vehemently said "NO" to her face when she said that he wasn't serious when he said he liked her
I think there should be an OVA exploring all three. Honestly though, I think Kallen is the best pick, which is why Lelouch went to the length he did to keep her from getting wrapped up in the Zero Requiem.
If i understood how death works and the collective human consciousness in the show, i like to imagine that after Lelouch dies, his consciousness finds Shirley and Euphemia and is able to finally be himself and explain everything that he did and why he did everything to them Then they simply wait for everyone else to grow old and join them.
@@MyMediaChops, I have only watched the original anime, but if That's so, it makes the ending actually a lot less painful, knowing that all it will take is time before he reunites with all those he care for. Granted, it will take a helluva lot more time to be reunited with C.C. considering her whole immortality thing. She seems like she is ready to actually live for the first time in her long life at the end, so she won't be in any hurry to die like she used to be.
The reason the romance arcs in Code Geass are so compelling is because they are very tightly connected to the theme of the narrative. That's one reason why they resonate so much with viewers (On top of all the more obvious reasons, such as the quality of the characters. People really like Kallen, CC, and Shirley because they are unique, fully-realized characters and quite well written.) Each love interest is a symbolic representation of who Lelouch is, and the choices he must make to become who he is at the Zero Requiem. I made a video on this topic a long time ago if you're interested to learn more. Link is below. ua-cam.com/video/0Lujp8sO9Dw/v-deo.html
What's your opinion on CC leting lelouch die Kallen would have never let lelouch die and make this sacrifice Don't you think that CC should have gone against his plan ?!?
Kallen's my favorite code geass character, and I can't help but be a big fan of that ship, but I do agree with you that its more on Kallen's end than Lelouch's. That being said, I disagree with your take on Lelouch's lack of reaction to Kallen's body, because I feel Lelouch is somewhere on the ace spectrum when it comes to that. Like there are so many times when Kallen or C.C. are lounging around half nude and this motherfucker is stone-faced. Obviously he's not fully asexual, as you pointed out with his blush at the thought of Shirley's kiss, but even tho he didn't directly say he found Kallen attractive in turn seven, the fact he's willing to let her 'console' him shows he's obviously attracted to her on some level. in regards to Lelouch's love life as a whole tho, imma pick option 4 and say Code Geass is secretly the greatest harem anime ever lol. In all seriousness I think Lelouch loved all three women, albiet in different ways, at some point or another. He loved Shirley for being so truthful with him, and as someone who reminds him of the better things in life. He loves C.C. as someone he can trust with all parts of himself unconditionally, and he loves Kallen as a loyal knight and someone who will fight to keep Lelouch's dream of a gentler world alive. If this motherfucker wasn't so busy with all his schemes, other friendships, revenge, and whatnot, he would've been a harem master the likes of which can challenge even Kirito lol.
He loved all three of them, a great deal. But I don't think he was romantically in love with any of them. He didn't have time or room in his life for that kind of love.
I think Lelouch loved shirley in a way but grew out of it and C.C after everything, made him love her in a different and stronger way. I think Kallen and Lelouch doesnt translate well in the anime. Even from Kallen her feelings are sometimes shown sometimes not. They work best as close friends and confidants. I think Lelouch valued her as an ally thats irreplaceable, almost like he cares about Suzaku
It's definitely a competition between CC and Shirley. I agree with your Kullen analysis. I would lean towards Shirely since it just felt more human. One of the questions they ask is what does it mean to be japanese? It's what's in the heart. They also extend this theme to love. Lulu couldn't express what he felt toward shirley but it gets exposed when she dies, we see his reaction as the most emotional in the entire series. CC and him felt more intellectually connected. They were on the same page with vision and results, sarcasm and smart banter back and forth. Based on the show theme this was a different kind of love but not the romance felt with Shirley, since Shirley's came purely from the heart based on his actions. That's just my view though. I would accept a c.c analysis, but i just can't see kullen
cc was in first place by default because he had the most time with her and she knew is secret from jump and he needed her constantly. but if it wasn't was that shirley def would have been THE girl. but she in 2nd place because his mission was more important and being with shirley would have just endangered her anyways like it did. and kallen yeah i agree she was way far behind. and he had a lot of respect for her and she definitely like him more than he did for her romantically. i think for her it probably was a fleeting thought but not something he could ever really consider. kinda like when you have a best friend whose attractive and funny and there for you and for a second you think what if, but then go nah. and never really think about it again. that's kallen.
Yuh That's what I think too I like Lelouch & Kallen more But canon had more evidence for lelouch and cc And even in the movie They lived happily ever after
With Shirley, I think it's more of like empathy.. They're in the same group of friends and Lelouch didn't want any harm to them.. Shirley is just a civilian and Lelouch's actions had killed her father, certainly there was some guilt in him and made him question his very plans.. If Lelouch didn't meet C2 and stayed as a normal student, I think he wouldn't have any romantic feelings for her.. A lot of these deep emotional feelings from Lelouch towards her was just brought by Lelouch's actions with the geass and his revenge towards his father and Britannia.
I don’t think there is any doubt that in the end, C.C. was the person he loved. They started out as mostly equal partners in “crime” and then slowly developed into soulmates. There’s a reason why the alternate universe really emphasized their relationship.
I well gave up on Shirley, she's dead. I know the other series skipped her death and the movie "confirmed" it, but she's dead, i mean her death was a huge driving factor for Lelouch towards the end of R2. kallen i feel guilty about, because i want her and Lelouch together, but despite how good it would be especially since it would be someone who can actually bring out the best of her rather than being a playboy trope, or a cardboard cutout... She still has the hope of ending up with someone who can be good for her, a real character with depth and worth (unlike the what the cuts in the show left for her father). And that leaves C.C. who despite not being my favorite is the only one Lelouch can really end up with especially with their contracts from the show. Course I don't think a royal like himself should care about monogamy... I mean he already doesn't care about so many other things, like self respect or masculinity... But at the end of everything there would still just only be him and C.C.
See, I think there's genuine romantic love between Lelouche and all three of them, and he'll probably stay in contact with all three. They'll just have to resolve how that works (or doesn't work) between them like adults.
Shirley was a symbol of what could be for Lelouch, the normalcy and antics of school life is what Lelouch wanted deep down but he couldnt have it due to how it conflicted with his goals. Shirley was the one he truly wanted Kallen was Lelouch's Queen, his most valuable soldier for the greater part of the series. Lelouch came to value Kallen heavily but never showed much of a romantic connection with her, however he leaned on her more as a crutch and a tool. Kallen wanted Lelouch more. C.2 knows Lelouch's soul inside and out He was stuck with her and came to love her for the fact that she was the only one that got to see the true him as he existed moment to moment, not the carefully crafted Lamperouge persona or the bold Zero. She knew the man behind both of those masks and Lelouch loved her for it.
i sorta find it funny that all the characters people generally think Lelouch loved are the people who for most of the time wanted things from him and only really got a half of him. shirley loved lelouch but not zero and while she wanted to help him she knew so little about him really or what he wanted. C.C cared for him but only over time and in the end she still wanted her desire of dying in the end , additionally her love was for the ambition of zero , she saw little value in him being lelouch or a britananin noble. kallen was an odd ball she had similar goals that were not self serving , she didn't want anything from him , she did not offer up her life to protect him because she was immortal and didn't die by happenstance. Kallen was more likely who would have fit for lelouch in the end had he not become horizontal.
Here are my new thoughts on this age-old question.
Let me know if some of your perspectives have changed much like mine on this topic.
Also August is going to be a crazy month expect lots of videos to come out just like this one.
When you rewatch code geass do you watch it english dub or Japanese dub? Recently I've been on a Kallen kick myself. However i have nothing to debate on why Lelouch loved Kallen more lol
usually I watch it dubbed so I can multi task@@RuseGuise
This is probably a detail that many people don't notice:
In episode 14 of R1, before Lelouch wiped Shirley's memory, he said, "If reincarnation exists, I will..." *even tho in japanese it said 'kimi ni'. (the latter sentence is quite vague because it can lead to anything, ex: I will make you 'happy' or something).
Then in episode 13 of R2, Shirley answered him:
"No matter how,"
"many times I'm reborn..."
"I'll keep falling in love with you Lulu,"
"I suppose that it's simply fate..."
"So, is that okay then...Lulu?"
"And as I'm reborn..."
"I'll fall in love with you over and over,"
"I'll keep..."
"falling..."
"in love with..."
She remembered it! T_T
holy crap that's amazing thank you so much for sharing this
Literally you are the person who was watching this anime carefully and feeling it. My opinion maybe a little bit looks like stupid but in one word “Shirley is the person he loved, cc is the person who is fit with him” Lelouch is a King and cc has queen character just right, and she is stand his side all the time.
@@QYQ-qj4uf shirley is actually quite similar to cc's early self, when she got mind wiped and back to her state before she lived those lifetimes.
very innocent and just clearly quite devoted to lelouch
@@seignee lol, absolutely not. Shirley is more courageous and frankly than C.C.
Lelouch and C2 are both Tsundere type character. I said C.C. Is queen just because she is witch and has long live. If they are peers, it’s clearly c2 lose her queen features.
I dont where I heard this idea but I've also loved it. Its that each girl was a possibly life he could of had. If Lelouch stuck with his school life and gave up being zero. He'd end up with Shirley. If Lelouch dedicated his life to being Zero and put abandoned his revenge and school life he'd end up with Kallen. And C.C is the ending where he stayed true to who he truly is. Not zero or Lelouch Lamperouge, instead his real self Lelouch Vi Britannia.
I think you are right
Bruh no
@@aniverse_574How
But Lelouch vi Brittania isn't the true Lelouch either. Both the prince and the emperor were masks. He is a mix between all three masks for a reason. There isn't a one true self.
@@aniverse_574don’t worry it’s okay to be massively wrong some times.
I think Lelouche loved both Shirley and C2 albeit for different reasons.
In the case of Shirley she represents all of the good times he had at school, C2 even asks him early in S1 if he loves her and he responds that he doesn't know. But later he clearly expressed his guilt at the loss of their relation and not understanding how precious it was to him until realizing till it was gone. Which makes sense he's know her for multiple years at this point, longer than any of the other girls listed even if we don't see it on screen.
As for C2 she is the only person to really see all aspects of Lelouche character as the student, as zero and just Lelouch. He is the only one he can be truly natural around, he even try's to use his Gease on her to force her to stay although it could be argued its because he didn't want to loose any other connections in his life as he had just lost Shirley at that point. That said there is zero (pun intended) doubt that they grew closer as the seasons went on.
I believe he loved Shirley, because he could see a life with her outside of his "mission".
Then we get to Kallen, who he deeply cares for..but remains at a distance due to never wanting to feel the pain he felt after Shirleys death, again with a "partner".
Then we come to C.C, who obviously has a contract with him and they both grow to admire one another which deepens their bond.
shirley? no 💀he just feels guilty about k-wording her father he doesnt even give her the time of the day before all of that. and he doesnt even care about kallen that much, the only woman he cares about excluding his sister is cc
@@Chococat3646 Lelouch is a King and he needs a Queen, and cc is the most great and fit candidate for him, that’s all😅 Is this love？ I don't know. But I only know that I would never want a relationship like this because I never felt the love between them. Also haven’t made any promises💀, I don't remember any affectionate conversations between them, just like when business was finished finally, -wow you’re the person who still alive and has compatible with my competence from beginning to end, go work together. -Perfect. If this is love, must be conditional love.
@@Chococat3646 Same way with Kallen, just due to she hasn’t an enough powerful competence like cc. What an ordinary person Shirley is, particularly in this type anime, there was no need for him to feel guilty, and there was no need for him to make a promise when he erased her memory in S1, but he made a promise for her. You may say it's friendship, but you really think he lacks partners and guards？ Somebodies would be sacrificed was unavoidable, especially for the people who around him. How many times he needs to spend in “guilty”？How many people are you saw he taken an actions to put them away from dangerous ？erasing her memory just because he don’t want to involve she in the war business. Of all the main characters, only his sis and Shirley are the "weak person"
@@QYQ-qj4uf you clearly didnt watch the anime at all, because there were a lot of moments where they were just there for each other and always had each others back.
@@Chococat3646 The new 2019 anime is just a way to satisfy the wishes of the fans, and already falls into the category of a spin-off, a real commercial film. The real Code Geass ended back in 2007, 2008. The romantic vibe between Lelouch and C.C. in S1 and S2 wasn't even as strong as it was with Kallen. The author arranges for them to be together ten years later for no other reason than the king needs a queen. Another reason is that there are a lot of viewers who like C.C. so that the new film is more profitable. Just from S1 and S2 I really don't feel love in their relationship. If you think that's love, then I hope your love is like Lelouch and C.C. in S1S2 ❤️
I think that Shirley was his first love (which holds a special place in his heart), Kallen was an attraction that he never allowed to grow into anything romantic (also don't think he respected her as much as the other two), and C.C. is his final love that he respected and could be who he truly was with.
His first love was Euphy
A couple things you overlooked regarding Lelouch's relationship with Kallen. First and foremost is that he was well aware of Kallen's feelings for him and how loyal she was to them and him. He knew that if he expressed any romantic interest in her that she would stand by him no matter what, even to her death (Kallen herself states that had Lelouch told her that he loved her, even if she knew it was a lie, she would literally follow him into Hell) and do anything to save him. And after she kissed him, he spoke with regret when he pretends to feel nothing and tells her goodbye. And when she was captured, he literally puts his entire plan to take down Britannia at risk to get her back (something he's only ever done for with Nunnally), and even states that he won't let anything else of "his" be taken from him in reference to Kallen. Also, she's the ONLY one he ever asks to come back with him once everything is over. So yes, there were definitely feelings for her on Lelouch's end, he just hid them and didn't act on them for her own sake; this can even be referred back to him taking his father's advice of if you care about something, keep it away from you to save it. And after the way he lost Shirely, this gives him all the more reason to keep Kallen at a distance, especially if he had feelings for her.
I aint reading all that
@@DarianDiaconu i read all of it
Interesting viewpoint.
What you said. Kallen = best girl.
Could it be possible we’re seeing the show through Lelouch’s eyes with how he sees the girls? We don’t see Shirley in a lot of revealing ways because he has more respect for her as a friend at the very least. Kallen gives by FAR the most fan service, but thats possible because thats how he views her. C.C. gives a bit, which demonstrates an interest in her, but it’s hardly the focus as their relationship is much deeper.
Honestly you could be on to something. We can fit these 3, and others, into the 7 kinds of love in Ancient Greece.
Shirley would fall in Pragma, the love you have for your spouse/long term commitment.
Kallen is Eros, passion and physical love.
CC is Agape, spiritual love that applies more to the mind/soul.
And then you have Storge for Nunally, which is family love with protection being the most common form of it.
Philia for Euphemia, which is the love/trust for friends and family.
Then we have Ludus. Which can be described as playful and flirtatious. The case for Milly can be made here.
And finally, Philautia, self love. The story of Lelouch in which he goes from arrogance to doubting himself back and forth is also an important part of this story.
actually he went to save c2 two times. not sure what show your watching.
I know a lot of people shipped Kallen and Lelouch together. But honestly, watching the series and the recap films, I think they were better off just being friends. I always feel like she was more in love with Zero than Lelouch himself.
I always found C.C. a perfect match for him because she knows Lelouch inside and out.
I would say Shirley is a great fit as well because she loved Lelouch just for who he was.
I agree that Kallen and Lelouch are better off as friends but there's evidence she loved the real Lelouch by the end of the series.
@@MyMediaChops series maybe, recap films definitely not.
@@JosephDutra Recapped films shafted her character in favor or Shirley for whatever reason.
I think he really did love shirley, he erased her memories and got distraught and when he erased her memories he said that he loved her and he is so soft towards shirley,its shirley words that made him realized something (when they were lightning the fireworks) and acts normally around shirley his usually uptight and cold,it was the scene during the school president graduations party and when shirley died it triggered him to attacked the cult and it really broke him.
It’s just as you say he loved Shirley first but lost her before his feelings could be realised. CC was always there from the beginning even after Shirley’s death so the show transitions who he loved the most.
First he loved Shirley but lost her
Then slowly developed feelings for CC but then he dies. I imagine his feelings for Shirley where never a thing in the resurrection timeline, something was very different. But only after his resurrection where his feelings for CC fully realised.
And Karen was never on his romantic radar but still an important friend that was part of the student council Which to him was like his second family.
Shirley should’ve joined the Black Knights, I would’ve preferred if someone else would’ve interfered with the special zone, and maybe Euphie could’ve joined as well.
I love Lelouch and Kallen story since I've seen this series for the first time 10 years ago, and now I've rewatched it again, I confirmed that. Lelouch and Kallen is the most sincere and organic relationship in all the series. Instead of C.C who in the begging just wanted him to pass her inmortality and die. Shirley it's a complicated and tragic character and she also have a special relationship with Lelouch, but at the end of the day, since the begging, the only relationship that we see blooming in my opinion was with Kallen. Lelouch knew all the time her true identity, and when he understood her true motivations, he didn't force her to stay in the rebellion (even he release she was a key soldier). He started worring about her since the begging and Kallen was truly interested in Zero. She wanted to know more about him and also she was the first one to suspect of Lelouch. When the series continue, we see Lelouch caring about her genuinely, even if he have to think in one hundred things at a time, the loyalty she had for the cause and specially for Zero, and also the relationship they have outside the conflict in school, created a really special trust in her. In season one we can see moments when Lelouch was worried about her, but he doesn't wanted her to know he was Zero not because he don't trust her, but for her to be safe. We can totally see this in season 2, when Kallen already knew his true identity. Kallen doesn't fall for her Zero form. She actually started to understand him as a human and his true motivation and knowing that, she decided ti follow his lead to the end. Her loyalty was truly special for Lelouch and, after everything that pass with Shirley, Lelouch understand that he doesn't want to lose everything he care about, included Kallen, because he release he was doing what he was doing just fir his little sister, it was also for the people he care the most. As he rejected Shirley to protect her, he also do the same with Kallen at the end of the series. When she kiss him. He also develop feelings for her and we can confirm the when Kallen was kidnapped by Britannia. He didn't "sacrifice" her and he also was truly angry with Susaku, because he thought Susaku wanted to take away everything that really matters to him. He also felt really betrayed by Suzaku and decided to "turn off" his feelings, but he couldn't with the girls he care in the series. He tried to be the less emotional with Kallen the last time he sees her for her sake, and that is what make me root for her, also her personality matches really well with Lelouch and complement each other. Lelouch recognize that he couldn't made everything he did without her and that makes a perfect team.
In my opinion she was the best girl for him, then Shirley and in the final C.C.
as for the age thing it depends what type of immortality she has. some shows/movies the character mentality does age and act like a wise old man or woman but in other tv/shows movies although they live for hundreds or even thousands of year they mentality stay the same age. sure they are still often times wiser but in those scenarios they stay juvenile because they mentality are permanently frozen in that age/time space. like #5 in the umbrella academy vs goku in saiyuki and etc.
Wise words
Lelouch rejects all these woman
Just to end up dying a virgin
He didn't want to lose
he on a mission, bro. my man ain't gonna stop for nothin'
You know what Lelouch just use your dad's solution marry all of em
Honestly, I think part of the answer of who could have loved Lelouch is in one of the picture dramas: Stage 0. 97:
ua-cam.com/video/-0lVuRlaGts/v-deo.html
At one point Lelouch thinks about what he wants.
"What I really need is another person that I can rely on, someone I could never betray me, but of course there's no one like that"
I'm sorry but the only ones that fit that description are Shirley and, to some extent, CC.
Kallen is ruled out for me, for the same thing that is said in the video, Lelouch wasn't honest with her, another thing is that she betrayed him several times only because he wasn't the type of man she liked, always wanting be some kind of exemplary national hero for her to love. What happened in Turn 7, do people really interpret it as the best KaLulu moment, where it is shown that they liked each other? That? That moment actually seems the opposite to me, starting with Kallen betraying Lelouch at the end of R1 because she considered him a bloody monster who only cares about himself, but in that chapter after she saw the refrain, Kallen made it clear that she didn't care how he felt and demanded that he had to focus on her and BKs, she didn't care that she was asking him to attack Nunnally, his little sister, I don't even remember her asking him about what happened between R1 and R2 and vice versa, she never knew why Euphemia acted like that in the SAZ or that he was turned into a puppet in the EU, she just decided to focus on her, being curious why she didn't like that Lelouch supposedly only focused on his own butt . Lelouch may have found her attractive, but that doesn't translate to love, I can't even imagine Lelouch dating a girl just because he finds sexy, it goes against his character who always tries to control all his emotions .
In CC's case, it's curiously simpler, she acted as his shoulder to cry on during the series, she was one of the few people who knew what happened to Euphemia, she was also one of the few who understood Lelouch and vice versa, it wouldn't be surprising if Lelouch didn't even care about CC's age, his own mother was one of the people he loved the most and she married a man who, with his age, could be his father and even so it was never shown that they had problems with their age. The real problem with CC is that she did betray and manipulate Lelouch, and this cannot be excused either, because she herself decided to take BK after R1 of her own free will, she showed that she did care about Lelouch, but due to his constant cowardice, she didn't tell him the truth, she even sealed her code conveniently after the code and Charles were revealed, to later return when it was revealed that she always knew the truth, once again, what a coward CC is, writers are also cowardly by not giving CC real consequences for what he did and only condemning Lelouch and Susaku, but that's another topic.
Shirley is essentially the only one who wasn't given a moment to comfort Lelouch in his grief unlike the other two mentioned, but considering her final response before she died, it's highly likely that if she were willing to try to understand him, that would be fine too. to emphasize that Shirley was the only one who did not betray Lelouch's trust, it was in fact the other way around and that is something that Lelouch always hurt him to have done, the closest thing to betraying him was Mao and I think it's not necessary to explain how they came to In this situation, finally I want to mention something curious and that is that originally Shirley's name was Euphy, but it was changed and this is striking if you consider that Euphemia was Lelouch's childhood love....
And before someone comes to try to defend Kallen and CC for what they did to Lelouch, arguing that Lelouch isn't a saint with them, well yes, Lelouch is not innocent, but that doesn't take away the actions of Kallen and CC, it's like Mary kicking a dog and being accused by Tom who punched Mary in the face and you jump in to defend Mary for what she did and ignore why Tom hit Mary.
PS: funny as it sounds, I'm team CluClu lol and I still feel that Lelouch was more focused on other things and left his romantic life aside, but I can't deny that maybe he had feelings for Shirley
Something that I forgot to say is that Lelouch didn't really care much that CC didn't tell him her wish and how he should fulfill it, but it seems that he only got upset with her later because of Marianne, unfortunately we don't see what happened in that month between them or even how Lelouch convinced Susaku, we also don't see what happened after Damocles and we jump straight to the end, that's something I didn't like in the series, the pace at the end is very fast.
What I want to get at is that Lelouch cared about CC so much that he even forgives her for what she did and we could say the same with CC, since she didn't try to do anything to Lelouch after shooting Mao or even the fact that in the end he left her alone, maybe Lelouch could have loved Shirley, but Shirley and Lelouch's lives were so different that one of them could get hurt without even wanting to, see how VV killed Marianne and Charles decided that the best thing was to despise their children in public. I think that's the strong point with Lelouch and CC, they are able to be together without having to worry about the lifestyle they lead that might make the other uncomfortable
@@Kat-uj6rp, это самая правильная вещь, которую я слышала про взаимоотношения персонажей. Но, я не совсем согласна, что С.С. не столкнулась с последствиями своих действий. Все-таки за свои действия были наказаны все троя. Лелуш умер ненавистным всеми человеком, хотя мечтал о долгой мирной жизни с Нанали. Сузаку продолжит долгую жизнь в роли того, кого ненавидел всей душой, хотя все аниме пытался умереть. А С.С. продолжит жить, что конкретно для нее довольно-таки плохой финал. За 600 лет она не встретила человека, который бы понимал и принимал ее как Лелуш. Неудивительно, что по итогу ей пришлось смириться с тем, что она его любит. Но и похоронить его почти сразу после осознания. Скорее всего она снова впадет в глубокую депрессию, но при этом будет жить еще долго, т.к. не сможет никому передать код.
P.S. я надеюсь, что переводчик сможет правильно передать смысл написанного
@@Velemira Это интересный взгляд на вещи, но даже в этом случае я чувствую, что чего-то не хватает, я думаю, что в этом случае с тремя главными героями это было то, что они объединились для реквиема, но не было показано, как они пришли к этому соглашению. или как им удалось проникнуть в Пендрагон. Даже глядя на мангу, в которой подробно описывается реквием, в ней ничего не говорится о том, что произошло за месяц до того, как Лелуш взошел на трон, или за два месяца до его смерти. Это очень странно, потому что с Сусаку и Лелушем мы пришли к более ясному и прямому выводу, единственное, что я нашел, это отрывок, когда Лелуш получает костюмы и отдает их Сузаку в магазине (думаю, это была столовая).
Мне бы хотелось увидеть, как именно Лелуш пришел к выводу, что простит СиСи и даже признал, что она не виновата в его несчастье как таковом, или как Сузаку решил поверить в то, что Лелуш присоединится к его плану, не рискуя. быть преданным
Что-то забавное, что говорят в фандоме, это то, что многие говорят, что они не показывали нам, что произошло между двумя месяцами, это было потому, что у СиСи было что-то романтическое с Лелушем, но они хотели, чтобы все было двусмысленно, что-то, что, если вы скажете в фандоме это вооруженная война, лол (мне кажется, что это стало еще хуже, когда в других СМИ, таких как воскрешение или репетитор Лелуша, они фактически поставили его в пару с СиСи, чего-то не произошло с другими девушками)
Но, как сказано в видео, люди не принимают во внимание точку зрения Лелуша на девушек, так как, видя много старых комментариев, на самом деле все было основано на том, что чувствовали девушки, и, как правило, говорили, что то, что она чувствует, будет тем же самым. что чувствует Лелуш, когда все не так, даже в реальной жизни так не бывает, ваша влюбленность в конце концов, как бы вы его ни любили, не означает, что он обязан вам отвечать взаимностью и это что-то что немногие понимают.
Я просто надеюсь, что смысл не потеряется при переводе.
@@Kat-uj6rp начиная со 2 сезона многое решали "Большие боссы", а многие сценарии остались черновиками, потому что у студии были конкретные планы на Код Гиас. Например, создатели хотели чтобы украли СС, а не Карен. После чего Лелуш полетит её спасать, и, как следствие, у них завязался бы роман. (Информация из твитерра одного из сценаристов). Но студия забракавала эту концепцию, так как хотела больше неопределённости в отношениях Лелуша.
Тоже самое и с концовкой. На сколько я знаю, в сериале должно было быть больше серий, и лучше прописана арка правления. Но их очень торопили с выходом сезона, дабы быстрее пустить сезон в прокат, потому сценаристам пришлось резать сценарий. От всех задумок у нас остался только арт бук, увы.
P.S. спасибо, что перевели все на мой язык. Прошу прощения, что не могу сделать тоже самое в вашу сторону.
@@Velemira Вы имеете в виду книгу Clamp, где было показано, что Лелуш должен был стать альбиносом, а сестры Ли Британиан были блондинками? Я правда видел только концепт-арт с переведенными нотами, но что любопытно, в книге фигурирует британское платье СиСи (которое честно похоже на платье императрицы), то самое, что ей сделали фигурку, чтобы поставить ее в один ряд с Императором Лелуш и Рыцарь Зеро Сузаку.
Мне кажется любопытным, что это платье существовало в зарисовках Клэмпа, так что это только подтверждает более чем действительно то, что Каллен влюблялась в Лелуша (в зарисовках Каллена не упоминается никаких зацепок), это было больше потому, что Каллен стала популярной Либо это или создатели на самом деле не знают, как писать романтические пары, что странно, потому что было показано, что для них это не невозможно, см. Судзаку и Юфимию или Лейлу и Акито. На самом деле, именно из этой книги я получил информацию о том, что Ширли вначале звали Юфи, другая информация, которая появляется о Ширли, заключается в том, что она родилась из общего наброска персонажа, чтобы заполнить фон, но они нашли ее такой милой. что они превратили ее во второстепенного персонажа.
Я чувствую, что Каллен действительно впустую, мы помним ее больше по ее увлечению, когда на самом деле она в R1 была более интересной, например, то, что она скорбит о потере своего брата, ее мать впала в кому, ее отец даже не имеет значения в ее жизни и ее мачеха обращается с ней как с стервой, но ничего из этого не затронуто в R2, на самом деле это так меня беспокоило, когда я прочитал ее стихотворение и увидел, что она готова бросить все, только если Лелуш возьмет ее как свою партнер, но в качестве своего отказа она не колеблясь нападает на него, показывая, что он был таким же лицемерным, как и другие персонажи, почему они это сделали? Мне даже кажется плохой шуткой то, что они сделали с этой девушкой. Что ж, по крайней мере кажется, что в итоге можно сказать, что она действительно проявила себя как один из лучших бойцов в сериале и стала легендой на поле боя.
Я повторю еще раз, Code Geass кажется мне очень хорошим аниме, но у него действительно много проблем с R2, что-то, что меня не только злит, но и огорчает, потому что оно могло быть лучше.
Now I need to be that guy.
Lelouch is clearly not into Nunally. He has been her main caretaker for years, it is obvious he will fuse like crazy over her. .... Nunally on the other hand? ... Well she always gave me the weird vibes.
With that out of the way.
I say that he DOES love CC more than Shirley, but in a different way. I feel that they are at their core friendsm with some romantic undertones, but they are above all, each other's saviour. But Shirley is Lelouch romantic interest, I really like when after the Chinese Federation arc, it is Shirley advice the one he takes and Shirley is the one that always reaches out ot Lelouch and manages to touch his soul at sveral points.
All Shirley needed to be happy was Lelouch. But Lelouch would never be truly satisfied being a normal husband etc. CC and Lelouch supported and understood each other’s true wish. Lelouch wanted to prevent the heart ache he went through from ever happening again. While I believe he did care for her I think he viewed it similarly to his love for Euphemia, as a remnant from a different path he would never walk.
If you read the sypnosis of R2 dvd box of any Japanese website, you will see Shirley being referred to as "the girl whom Lelouch loved"
Do you have a source for that?
@@MyMediaChops the Japanese description there is like this
≪ストーリー≫
皇暦2018年。ブリタニアの皇子であり、ゼロという名で黒の騎士団を率い、ギアスの力と己の知略でブリタニアに反逆したルルーシュは、
その記憶を父親であるブリタニア皇帝シャルルにより消去され、別の記憶を与えられ、学生としての日々を過ごしていた。
しかし、C.C.との再会により記憶を全て取り戻した彼は、再びブリタニアに宣戦布告する。
自分を裏切った親友・スザク、偽りの弟・ロロ、そして愛した少女・シャーリー…ギアスの力を他人に知られ、
敵からも味方からも追われることになったルルーシュ。ついには何よりもかけがえのない大切な妹・ナナリーさえも、敵として対面することになる…！
―これはゼロ・レクイエム。ルルーシュとスザクの約束。
その為に、2人はすべての絶望と贖罪の物語に幕を下ろす。
You can go to the blu-ray or DVD for R2 in either A-one or Anime page, from the CG JP official page, and look at the description there with Google Translate. Unfortunately I can't post any links here. There Shirley is referred to as "the girl he loved"
@@minhsakura281 is it on the code geass wikia or do I need to go the store
@@MyMediaChops you need to go to the Japanese store, either animate or a-one or rakuten, then search for code Geass (the Japanese words) R2 dvd or blu-ray box. All of them uses the same description, which I believe should have come from Sunrise. Since Sunrise would not let the store write their own description for Sunrise's story I assume
IMO, Lelouch sees Shirley like he sees Euphie before. They have too much difference in beliefs and morals but Lelouch will wield to them but he will never really truly approve of their opinions. They will never be able to see eye to eye. He will not be truly himself with Shirley though he cares for her, but not deeply enough for a long term romantic relationship. There will be too much secret in that partnership. That it may actually become toxic long term. Lelouch will definitely go behind her back like he does with the chess gambling.
As for Kallen, I think he sees her like he sees Suzaku in a bit lesser extent. Their relationship is more like bestfriends who tease/joke and argue with each other with a one sided romantic feelings in the other side(Kallen)😅or it's just the battlefield adrenaline talking there... And Kallen can't really put her mind on the Zero/Lelouch thing.
And for CC, they have a lot of differences but they also have a lot of similarities. Morality is out of the window for her for along time and he is actually guiding Lelouch not to go down there or stay there too much. These two can actually see/talk eye to eye and equally come to an agreement without the other compromising or giving up too much, atleast with the important serious stuff.
So imo, Shirley was the First Love who you'll never forget(well,technically 2nd with Euphie there), Kallen is the bestfriend who got friendzoned😆, and CC is the partner for life.
It's C.C end of conversation
Fr it’s obviously c.c I like c.c and lelouch together
Same
I aprove
Bro
Its not her
Lelouch actually has schizoid personality disorder. Trust me, that explains his character entirely, especially the subject of this video!
I really highly recommend looking into that angle!
Also the existance of the song "Masquerade", I've always related that song to Shirley and Lelouch's relationship.
The only love song ost in the entire series!
9:40 who the hell is going to complain about spoilers when the last work of the franchise was 8-16 years ago?
Why do people bring up age gaps between characters when one is 2000 years old like this is some realistic thing
something people tend to ignore about anime is the background, shirley died in a mall, so why are those big church like windows there, well simple the creator wanted to make it seem like a wedding basically if that makes sense, also the emptiness, there are no tables, nothing, it's all empty, showing that lelouch is empty without shirley, btw i liked kallen more as a love interest for leloch, but it would've turned into her obsession. i do not know what they were thinking when they made shirley's death scene, but that's what i get from it... also his reaction to rollo was clearly the reaction of a man who does not care anyway, this is when lelouch started blundering hard too, also instantly seeking revenge.....that's just my opinion and i've watch a lot of psichological animes my favorite being either evangelion either monster, both use the background as a plot to tell character ideas
I think you're sharp at noticing such clues. Shirley's death was indeed connected to "eternal isolation" for Lelouch , as said by the series
It's C.C. no doubt
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What subplots were actually abandoned? Can't recall anything off the top of my head.
Suzaku's connection to Geass for starters
@@MyMediaChops huh... Can't say I know what you mean. Granted haven't watched the whole show in years. I guess it's time for a rewatch
PLENTY. Charles' motivations were a whole lot different in S1. This is the dude who laughed and even congratulated Lelouch on what he made Euphemia dude. C's world also appears to be different. Charles comments on having talked with Clovis after his death and C.C. tells Mao to wait for her in C's world. Suzaku had a connection to Geass and Marianna somehow teleported Lelouch, Suzaku, Kallen and Euphemia to Kamine island.
To me it was C.C.
Euphemia had a bit of the crush on Lelouch as a child and so did Lelouch. Had him never being exiled by the Britannia Family something could've happened. However aside from this, plus Euphy meeting Suzaku kinda ended the possibility of this relationship.
Kallen is an interesting case because something is pretty obvious: She loves Zero but not fully loves Lelouch. For her Zero was the one that gave her and her friends hope in defeating Britannia. Plus while Lelouch has a special attachment to Kallen I don't he has that kind of feelings.
Shirley could've been with Lelouch as she loved every part of him however she died before anything could happen. He's shown to have a rather great attachment to Shirley but as mentioned he didn't had the time to devote himself to this relationship, especially with how heartbroken he was after her death. This changed his mindset on the Geass Order from trying to take advantage of it to complete extermination.
Milly is an interesting case as it's heavily implied that she had feelings for Lelouch but Lelouch ever saw her like that. To him Milly was a good friend that helped him and Nunally when they needed the most.
C.C. is unironically the one Lelouch hold very dearly. He never put on any mask with her, always treated her as his equal and they were always there for each other in their worst moments.
When was it implied for milly?
@@shalashashka3086I think it's a shool festival she want his hat.
I've seen the show a couple of times and I agree in terms of Shirleys and CCs points... As for Kallen, it always seemed to me that he cared a lot for her, maybe felt atracted to her, but he saw her as one of his greatest soldiers... I mean, he forgets about her when he gets lost in that beach with Euphy, and then sees her and says "hey, lets trade!" To Suzaku 😅
Again, he cares about her... But, I don't think she's a real love interest
Same here
Lelouch wanted to:
Marry Shirley
Love C.C.
Kiss Kallen
Delusional
For me it's C2. I already doubt it's Kallen, because we see her say goodbye to him on the very last episodes of Code Geass S2 not to mention that she cared for Zero.
Shirley is still a question, some say yes he did end with her, for he died (?).
But we see C2, at the very end of the series, on a cart, and questions him. We can thought it's him though, and we see how C2 really cared for him throughout the series. The movie version gave a different ending for Lelouch and CC, where we see them live happily and the post-credit scene in the Resurrection.
It is obviously cc
With kallen he was using her and if we imagined he did respect kallen as a person at best he would consider her a friend
With shirely there is nothing interesting to discuss anyways
But at best we would say she is one of the people that remind him of his school life which he appreciates
He thinks of her a friend like obviously
Also why do people say she loves every part of him??
She doesn't even know him that well
She doesn't know why he does what he does
She doesn't know about his parents or his situation
She knows nothing about lelouch about the real him
Just because she forgave him (which doesn't makes sense for me) doesn't mean she knows him
She only knows what she saw of him which is his school and it is a very small part of him compared to the rest
Lelouch went out with her but it doesn't really seem he took it seriously
If he truly loved her he will consider the dating thing and take it seriously
Plus their realionship is very underdeveloped and uninteresting so even putting their feelings aside I don't ship them and I don't like their realionship
It is obviously cc because he literally tells her he will make her smile
What is that if it isn't a confession?
He shares with her nearly everything
He trusts her with his life
With both kallen and shirely (especially shirely) they don't know the first thing about him
While with he tells her everything his thoughts , plans and everything on his mind
When you love someone especially romantically you consider telling them more about you we never see lelouch consider doing that with shirely or kallen yet he surely does that with cc
Plus their realionship feels like an actual realionship it is well developed and better written than any of lelouch 's other dynamics
CC ALWAYS HOLDING IT DOWN. The scene where she spreads his hair and holds his head close to her did it for me. She says she'll still with him to the end .
I think when lelouch thought that nunally died he was trying to process that info or maybe he might have been in disbelief compared to watching the body of someone you know die
I think (in my own opinion) Lelouch's relationship with the gals can be best summed up in these ways (I'm using song titles here to basically sum things up)...
Shirley - What Hurts The Most (Rascal Flatts)
Kallen - If Only (Dove Cameron)/The One That Got Away (Katy Perry)
CC - 8 Letters (Why Don't We) (For the alt timeline)
These are just my opinions though.
My best summary is Lelouch loved Shirley, wanted Kallen, and needed C.C.
No
Yes
Bruh, you're so wrong
No you correct 💯
everyone arguing about Lelouch's love life and me thinking that the answer is polygamy, I say if his father could, why couldn't he?
Option 5 Lelouch had a crush on Euphemia when he was younger. The Emperor confirmed this himself.
i'm gonna be honest, C.C sent my man's to the couch and made him sleep on the ground so she wins the race for me and let's be honest, any world where Lelouch has a geass he would eventually endup with C.C, be honest guys, she lives in his room and even if he married Shirley or Kallen or anyone else, she would be living with them and that just doesn't work for marriage eventually he would stay with her
This is my opinion, as i watched the anime recently and i have my own opinions.
I want to agree that Lelouch has a great connection with Shirley, and i would even say after watching this video, and collecting my thoughts that the two of them have the most natural connection, because that's pretty much the only examples of what the show focuses on when they're together. Lelouch didn't initially had feelings for her, but he gained those feelings over time, of course he also feels guilty that he was the cause of her father's death, which was the moment he started taking her seriously and paying more attention to her, because he generally didn't want any of his friends to be involved in what he was doing, and as she became more involved, his concern for her grew more, he didn't want her to get hurt, not wanting to lose anyone dear to him from the people he knew personally.
His romantic feelings for Kallen aren't shown enough, it didn't mean he didn't feel anything for her in that sense, and of course his relationship with her is impossible due to the position he occupies in her life, constantly put in situations where he has to strategize or be that leader that everyone looks up to. There just wasn't room for a bigger form of romance between them, because the story didn't give them that chance, Lelouch is Zero, so he has to think about everything and everyone, he commands and treats them like chess pieces until an important person is in danger, then he starts to strategize according to his feelings and not cold tactics, and Kallen is very high on his list, the person who would make him break the previous and smarter tactics, and break beyond the Zero character he holds, while at school he can be himself and around someone like Shirley, but he can't be completely relaxed around Kallen because of their double lives. If he didn't feel anything for her he wouldn't have made any promise to her in a private form like that 8:30 moment before they were interrupted, simply even though I personally would have liked it more for the two of them to be together, the story and the structure of the events could not have allow it to hapend.
C.C. is a special case, she may have some romantic feelings for Lelouch, but it never occurred to me that they could be a couple while watching the anime, the two are definitely partners due to technical and necessity reasons, there was no romance there from his perspective, he considered her as a useful partner to realize his plans from beginning to end, only later he gained some feelings for her but not in a romantic sense. To me they seemed more like a partnership tandem that formed into an unbreakable friendship, that they can always count on to each other, but nothing on the romantic side.
If I were to rank which girl had the most romantic significance in Lelouch's soul, I would rank them like this.
1. Shirley
2. Kallen
3. C.C.
When you love someone you let them into your private inner world. Lelouch didn't tell Shirley about him being a prince or being Zero so no romantic feelings there. Just friendship. Ever since his mother died Lelouch said he felt dead so maybe he didn't have time for romance while plotting how to overthrow Brittania. Lelouch didn't love any of the three.
Lelouch could never love Kallen because he didn't want Kallen to give up her life for him.
ok. i honestly think there are 5 sort of love interests some i can explain reasoning but others it was just a bit of a vibe. im fairly certain he referred to euphy as his first true love or something to that extent (this is probably my least favorite due to its a bit wierd plus i like her and suzaku more but felt should be stated). madam prez was a vibe kind of between interactions and stuff that make me think pre geass it was a strong possibility. kallen i always got the vibe he specifically tried to lock up any feelings towards her given they could both die at any point and he genuinely seems to more and more push people away avoiding as much as possible to get close and i figured that was due to the forewarning of the punishment for his geass that hes forced into isolation so he just self imposes further especially after shirley death up until the zero requiem. shirley was the big one i dont think he could keep his guard up against. i always kinda thought even when dating he was trying to keep distance because of previous cirumstances but when she had told him she got her memories back and still picked him over all else thats where he was hit with his true feelings and extreme guilt which is why its one of if not the most emotional moments we see of him. as for cc i think up until the end of season 1 they were just partners in crime so to speak and shared a secret. after his father and mother though i think thats where the relationship really started to build up steam rather rapidly. all in all my favorite paring would be lelouch and kallen but i dont really dislike any of the 3 main pairings i think they all were parts of lelouch that were important in the story.
Reason why Love story 1st is because of how many awesome girls there is
In your opinion, what counts as CG's abandoned subplots? The quick run-through at the beginning shows images of Suzaku and Euphemia's relationship, but that of course was abandoned due to Euphie's death so it's not some hanging plot thread. Any others worth thinking of?
Shirley love Lelouch Lamperouge
Kallen love Zero
C.C love Lelouch Vi Britannia
He finally decided to marry C.C in the movie
Really good analysis. Great work.
I think Lelouch loved Suzaku the most followed by C2 followed by Shirley and then Kallen in last place in the friendzone.
"Lelouch loved Suzaku the most". Thank you for saying this fact LOL. Most people overlook this.
@@odeliamili7129Because the 'love' discussion is a romantic one, and he obviously doesn't share that kind of relationship with Suzaku.
Interesting, in Lelouch perspective the angle match with that scene though
CC is the best waifu of all time for me.
She suffered so much in the past 300 years.. And finally found the one she was Looking for.. LL
Probably none of them But C2 (or C.C.) is the closest one.
Kallen was a very close friend at best for him. He did value her and mist likely knew about her feelings towards him, but the only time he acted on it when he was almost giving up. And this is when he almost choose the easiest options.
Shirley is a bit more complicated. First it is obvious that he also knew about her feelings. Secondly we have to look at Lelouch pre EP1. He was almost a living husk, only living for the sake of his sister and a chance for revenge. I think almost every "romantic" action he did, was out of guilt. Do not forgot he killed her father (who she was really close to), who was not an enemy soldier.
And it was not even a calculated risk, it was a mistake (the landslide was bigger than he thought). So in his eye his plan and incompetence lead to suffering of a person, who loved him. Mao made it worse, so to not risk her life he made her forget.
The episode where she died is a catalyst for him, because she died because of a miscalculation on his part again. If he killed Rollo earlier she would not have died. If the Geass was never existed, she would still be alive and have her father. That is also why he saw Geass of the source of evil and went to destroy it (not his orginal plan). Also an event (in the Anime) that lead to his downfall, because the consequences of the massacre was, what lead the black knights to be suspicious of him.
Lelouch love life at this point can make into a gal game with 3 route
I'm late to this but this got me thinking on how Lelouch might see relationships, he shows no physical attraction to any of the women that are interested in him but show attraction to those he had an emotional connection with.
Shirley was part of his life for awhile and built that connection . She made him happy and because of that connection he might also see this as a sign of weakness explaining his second gassing his choice on not shooting her. emotionally he understands why he let her live, because he deeply cares for her but rationally and logically (basically remove the emotions) the safest choice for him was to kill her. This also shows a good parallel with her actual death Rolo had no connection with her but did have a one-sided relationship with Lelouch at the time. He knew the safe choice for Lelouch and took that but still understood his feeling for her but not hers to him. This is one of the few times in the anime where a character he has a deep connection with is truly lost and he knows there is no getting her back.
C2 on the other hand is the person that forces herself into his life at first and slowly builds up to that connection with him through out the show. they become equals and slowly start to care for one another. Since the cannon ending of the show is Lelouch dying at the end as the enemy of the world, that's where there relationship ends with C2 caring for him and remembering him fondly with her closing line on the anime. The AU movies show what would of happened if he lived with them getting and even deeper emotional connection. By the end it's clear they love each other and Lelouch kept his promise of giving C2 happiness shown by the honest smiles and banter they have at the end.
Kallen out of the three girls is the only one he never builds this kind of connection with. First seeing her as one of his tools to achieve his goal and slowly seeing her as an actual friend over time, building a connection but never as strong as the other two. He treats her as any of his other friends he has a similar connection too. Keeping her at arms length away and never building a stronger connection and the reason is kind of simple and dumb when you look at it. Shirley actively chase after Lelouch and pushed her way into his life, C2 forced her way and pushed on him. Kallen was next to him but never understood she would haver to push past that arm just to even get a chance to make a connection like the other two did. they may of had moments from her perspective that could have led to romance but from his it was just another day with a close friend and the awkward moments they end up having.
These three relationships also show what kind of person Lelouch is and what others haver to do too truly get close to him
People who say he was never interested in Kallen are just biased. He had feelings for all of them but died before these feelings could ever grow into anything else.
Shirley was suppose to be
CC was a perfect match
Kallen's on was just a one sided love
not watching the video yet but just wanted to comment
IF IT AINT BEST GIRL C2 IM GONNA SCREAM LIKE DAM I HAVENT FINISHED CODE GEASS BUT BY FAR I LOVE HER THE MOST SHE IS SO AMAZING TO ME AND I LIKE HER PERSONALITY
LELOUCH X C2 FOREVER
im at the part of shirleys death and suzaku confronting lelouch honestly i just got nervous and shutted down
and ik c2 lost her memory just idk the confrontation is scary...
@@jackdragneel6777the movie will make you happy
Idk, i never really thought about romance in this series. It always was more of a uninteresting side plot and non of the girl, in my eyes, are real love interest. But I have to say das C.C and Lulu (lol） have a really special relationship of trust ans mutual growth, but some how i would pin point it as typical romance. They have something unique and I’m glad that they stay together.
He named himself l.l for c.c
I always thought that him thinking of Shirley first was because now that he was dying he could redeem himself for getting her killed
I think it's C2 only because he knew had to become the most hated person and would have to end up being alone except for the oath he had with C2.
Lelouch is a masterclass cheater
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What is the main tim-line of Code Geas?
I am a bit condused, becase the series and movis are contradiction on surten points of actions and outcoms!
My main cuestins are foloving:
1. Is Sherly dead? Is so, is he playing an role in geas-conektin to lelushe? Point is, is it posibel for Sherly to yous her geas in C-world and later for C2 to greng Sherly her code to resurektian?
2. Gave/gifted C2 Sherly a geas?
3. Did she truly find out that Leluche was Cero Zero before her deth?
So first I just want to say, I don't think Lelouch is a character well suited for the traditional 1-on-1 romantic relationship. Raised in a harem where Schniezel was probably closer to a father than his actual father, traumatized by the war, forced into hiding after. I feel like a small poly relationship would fit his character best, he's always doing this anyways, making small tight knit groups to rely on. I do think that is his idea of "family", him, Suzaku, and C.C. at the end with Jeremiah popping in and out, seems more like what he'd be happy with rather than just him and C.C. I know some people will just label that a "harem" and act disgusted but I just don't think Lelouch fits the 'one half of a relationship' mold, him, Suzaku, C.C., AND Shirley all mutually together would probably be the "ideal", although obviously there are dozens of reasons that's not realistic in-series.
But if we are talking about the strict, 'normal', relationships, yeah it's Shirley.
He cares about Kallen but I don't think he ever let it progress further, she was his knight he can't just compromise her. And yes he loves C.C. but their relationship is founded on lies, manipulation, and a kind of forced trust. Love does not always mean a romantic thing, they are simply to OK with using each other for their own gain. With Shirley he never wants to do anything wrong by her and only does it when he thinks it'll ultimately be best for her, that care is what would make the relationship not just love.
no
I'm happy he ended up with C.C in the movie. She's the most useful to him, from giving him power, emotional support, significant advises, etc. Vice versa. Lelouch is also useful to her which compliments the dynamic of the story's mood. They have this bond that exceeds the other girls. Additionally, she's the only one who knows him inside and outside. If Lelouch is revived by CC physically, then she is revived by him emotionally.
The fact that the creator also made an effort having 2 songs dedicated to the couple. Revive by Unione (Lelouch's response to CC)
I think If we want to find who he loved the most among the three girls, we should look at how he treated his precious ones.
From the beginning, Lelouch’s precious persons are Nunnally and Suzaku. We can see that Lelouch was never willing to let them go from his side and also tried to bring them on his side too.
Throughout the story, the only girl who he did not want to let go of is C.C. and He devoted himself to being Demon to be with her though as same as he became Zero for Nunnally.
Of course, it can view that Lelouch left Shirley or Kallen because he loved them, I did not mean to offend but His love for them is different level with his precious persons.
p.s. I disagree with c.c.’s word that you left them because you did not want to lose them, even though she has a lot of experience, it does not mean she is always right. Because you can see that the person who was kept at a distance was either dead or heartbroken (like Mao/Shirley/Rolo’s case). it was never gonna end well.
It did not different from what Charles and Mariann did to Lelouch and Nunnally. Just like Lelouch said it is not a good thing but forcing those good intentions on others. That is no different than evil intention, just happy to be watching from afar.
Tbh Suzaku should be on this list...
thanks to this , i will rewatch code geass. i watched it 4 years ago and in my mind it was CC and Lelouch all the way , while i considered Kallen and Shirly one sided. i think there is more depth to it that's why i'll rewatch it with a more present mind this time .
He wanted to be with Shirley , but like he said: "Everything about my normal life is a lie. It was never real".... That includes Her unfortunately. And that weighed so heavily on him, he almost lost it. I'd say next to Nunnally, he loved her the most.
Still noone mentiones that they had a kiss with Suzaku :'D (but technically that was kind of a prank and doesn't count as love life i guess anyway)
Where's Suzaku bruh????
This is just my opinion but if lelouch could, if ever, bury his hatred for brittania for the misfortune that he and nunnally's experience, he would end up with shirley. shirley and nunnally in this anime signify his innocence, his soft side so to say and i really ship this hard.
as for kallen, i see them as superior(lelouch/zero) and his subordinate (kallen). the reason lelouch act the way he did was solely to achieve his ambition and he used and manipulate kallen like a queen piece in his chessboard. so like in this vid, it is indeed a one sided relationship with lelouch manipulate kallen and the black knight by extension while kallen and co. had to put all of their bet with lelouch/zero in a war against brittania.
as for C.C, she is his accomplice, his closes confidant yet he knew C.C is not to be trusted due to all the secrets she kept to herself. even if the anime or alternate timeline shows that lelouch ends up with C.C, its mostly due to the kinship (2 immortals) or aligning interest. i mean they both are most of the time may use innuendos/imply or use snark remarks with each others but maybe in due time they could end up together as long as C.C could bear it (i mean that woman is so fickle).
His hatred for britania and his past are a part of him so if he didn't have those things he wouldn't be the same person andhe wouldn't evdn see shirely as anything special because the reason she us special for him is because she is representing for his school life he abandoned
He never took the dating thing seriously and I don't think he romantically loved her
I mean I agree with you on kallen I think everyone does
How is cc not to be trusted?
In the end of the series she literally told him all her backstory and motives
Lelouch literally trusts her with his life she saved his a$$ many times and he talks to her about things he doesn't talk with anyone about
In the other timeline he ended up with her because he obviously loves her not just because of kinship or immortality
He could have stayed with Nunnally or went to shirely (shirely is alive at that timeline) but he chose not to which says alot
She is the only he actually confessed to he literally told her he will make her smile what is that if it is a confession
She is the only one he actually told his real actual thoughts to something he never did with anybody not shirely or kallen
Cc would bear it (like she has been loyal to him this whole time and the alternative timeline proves she would bear it)she isn't fickle kallen and lelouch seem more fickle than she is imo
If you disagree with me that's completely fine
Anyways have a nice day
His hatred for britania and his past are a part of him so if he didn't have those things he wouldn't be the same person andhe wouldn't evdn see shirely as anything special because the reason she us special for him is because she is representing for his school life he abandoned
He never took the dating thing seriously and I don't think he romantically loved her
I mean I agree with you on kallen I think everyone does
How is cc not to be trusted?
In the end of the series she literally told him all her backstory and motives
Lelouch literally trusts her with his life she saved his a$$ many times and he talks to her about things he doesn't talk with anyone about
In the other timeline he ended up with her because he obviously loves her not just because of kinship or immortality
He could have stayed with Nunnally or went to shirely (shirely is alive at that timeline) but he chose not to which says alot
She is the only he actually confessed to he literally told her he will make her smile what is that if it is a confession
She is the only one he actually told his real actual thoughts to something he never did with anybody not shirely or kallen
Cc would bear it (like she has been loyal to him this whole time and the alternative timeline proves she would bear it)she isn't fickle kallen and lelouch seem more fickle than she is imo
If you disagree with me that's completely fine
Anyways have a nice day
@@rawdasalmataman7908 its ok and i understand. as mentioned, perhaps in alternate universe where there is only the commoner lelouch lamperouge (not lelouch vi brittania/zero) and shirley fennet, i believe they would stay or end up together.
as for C.C, i loved her as a character but personally i abhor/hate that type or how she is portrayed. just rewatched R2 and at EP14/15 when Charles could grant her then wish, she switches side quickly when seeing lelouch to be lacking in resolve. but as i shared earlier, its just me nitpicking on C.C as the story was presented. but yea, not mad or anything and i respect your opinion and views regards these characters.
@@asrafkhalid1231 I don't think that and I don't think lelouch thought of her romantically
Like I said he cares about her because she is his friend and a representation of his school life
Lelouch without zero or lelouch vi britania is not lelouch
Lelouch vi britania is basically his true self
Well lelouch refused to kill her so what did you expect her to do?
She made the contract with him in the first place so her wish can come true and he refused to make it come true
She did more for him than he ever did to her (at least until that episode)
Lelouch was using her as well many times actually
Either way lelouch would have had this confrontation with Charles even if she took his side
Charles already became immortal and there is nothing stopping him and cc going with Charles or lelouch won't change anything
If lelouch did agree to killing her she wouldn't have even went with Charles
But then cc showed him her past which made him know her true wish
But I think I get your criticism I just don't agree with it
Anyways bye and have a nice day
@@asrafkhalid1231 ты же в курсе, что она мечтала умереть около 500а лет? СС была в тяжелейшей депрессии, и единственным спасением была смерть. Да, она собиралась принять смерть от Чарльза, потому что он в отличие от Лелуша (он по сути отказался выполнять контракт) планировал выполнить обещание. Неужели то, что она вопреки давней мечты в итоге выбрала Лелуша не является показателем ее чувств? Да, она потом добровольно закрылась в себе, но кто бы не стал. Она считай только что отказалась от всего ради эгоистичного самовлюбленного ребенка.
The truth about Lelouch's love life is it's...complicated. Honestly I think he wasn't really going to be able to end up with any of them. On rewatch he said "the only ones who should kill are those prepared to be killed" and one of the first things we see him do is command a group of people to commit suicide & kill his half brother. He knew the end game so to him it didn't really matter while he honestly had feelings for all of them but he knew that in the end it would have been cruel to pursue a relationship with any of them
I think a lot of your points about Shirley misinterpret Lelouch's feelings and reactions. Much of what you're considering to be signs of love are guilt/sadness.
Shirley's relationship with Lelouch exemplifies his doubts that becoming Zero/leading the rebellion was the right thing to do. She reminds him, constantly, of his failings.
Lelouch had his first kiss with her while feeling guilt about the landslide that killed her father. He was going to blow off a date with her until CC pushed for it. He considered killing her when she realized who he was. He only feels like he lost something when he has to Geass her memories away. But that's him losing a friend and fixing the trauma he had caused her. Shes an innocent person who lost family, her innocence, and her will to live - come the Mao episode. She's Lelouch's greatest failing.
He doesnt try to follow up, romantically, until R2 when everyones minds had been further reset. And even then, his massive showing of sorrow at her death is guilt for his mistake. He had ALOT of mistakes in a short period. He manipulated Rolo using his affection against him. Shirley's mind broke, AGAIN, because of Lelouch + his family meddling. And Lelouch's drama ultimately cost Shirley her life. He had just lost his sister to his father. Kallen couldnt return to school + had just been captured by Britannia. And now, Lelouch's actions have failed again. HIS fault. Directly his fault. Using Rolo as a tool, leading him on by his emotions, was Lelouch's choice and blew up spectacularly. Dude was desperate for something to go right.
Yeah, he wanted a kiss in R2 Ep12, he's still a guy, but he doesn't seem so attracted to her. In Kallen's case, all of that "teasing" that's only done to her is him sexualizing her. She's the only one he sees in that way in the entire series. Shirley is stacked and has a few revealing scenes. Nothing. Viletta walked around in a bathing suit. Nothing. Rakshata is spilling out her lab coat and always laying in sexy positions. Nothing. Say what you will about Kallen, but she's got the only pair of tits that could elicit a response (multiple times) lol
There are some interesting insights here about Lelouch's feelings only being based on guilt.
I never got the impression based on his interactions with Shirley that he only loved her because of guilt.
He wanted a kiss from Shirley after saying his feelings for her were serious.
I understand the argument that he only accepted Shirley's love out of guilt but I think there's more going on there.
I don't disagree that Shirely consistently made him doubt being Zero.
The problem with your arguments with Kallen is that Leluoch just says hey I can see you naked as opposed to something more of a compliment.
He doesn't make that joke with Rakshata because she doesn't give a shit.
With Shirley she's barely exposed and with C.C. he found more interesting ways to tease her.
With Kallen it was just a superficial thing,
You are right technically only her nakedness caused Lelouch to say something even if it was insulting.
Much like how he only kissed Shirley I don't know what that means in the long run.
I always saw his relationship with Shirley as her being the symbol and the last remnant of his "normal life," an opportunity that couldn't be explored due to his circumstances. If Lelouch didn't get the geass, they would've been a thing, but as it is, I don't think the love was that mutual. Some buried feelings and wondering "what if", sure, but nothing concrete or rlly thought about to my understanding
CC ALL THE WAY AND FOREVER😊
I think that was plan for him to either end up Shirley or her being out right no competition the one loves more then anybody beside his sister. But fan reaction to C2 made him think about witching things up a bit. And Kallen was always going to third or 4th on that list of most loved. But she definitely in the 5 people he loves the most. I think he had love for two or three of his siblings two that was not his mother child.
Another hint for Shirley, is in R1 episode 15 when Lelouch was angry with CC about how the whole Mao thing happened and he had to wipe Shirley's memories, he knocked over a single chess piece: its a white queen, likely symbolism that Shirley was his "queen".
In R2 ep 14 after Shirley's death and Lelouch told C2 about it, there's also a chessboard shown with all the chess pieces scattered all over, and this time, we can we both the Black King and the White Queen both knocked down on the chess board
Another hint of Lelouch potentially admitting to having feelings for Shirley but held back, was when he vehemently said "NO" to her face when she said that he wasn't serious when he said he liked her
I think there should be an OVA exploring all three.
Honestly though, I think Kallen is the best pick, which is why Lelouch went to the length he did to keep her from getting wrapped up in the Zero Requiem.
If i understood how death works and the collective human consciousness in the show, i like to imagine that after Lelouch dies, his consciousness finds Shirley and Euphemia and is able to finally be himself and explain everything that he did and why he did everything to them Then they simply wait for everyone else to grow old and join them.
The Re;surrection manga somewhat backs this theory because Euphemia and Shirley's souls help Lelouch's mind return to his body.
@@MyMediaChops, I have only watched the original anime, but if That's so, it makes the ending actually a lot less painful, knowing that all it will take is time before he reunites with all those he care for. Granted, it will take a helluva lot more time to be reunited with C.C. considering her whole immortality thing. She seems like she is ready to actually live for the first time in her long life at the end, so she won't be in any hurry to die like she used to be.
It can’t be Shirley since we see him go out with other girls it’s obviously C.2/C.C
The reason the romance arcs in Code Geass are so compelling is because they are very tightly connected to the theme of the narrative. That's one reason why they resonate so much with viewers (On top of all the more obvious reasons, such as the quality of the characters. People really like Kallen, CC, and Shirley because they are unique, fully-realized characters and quite well written.) Each love interest is a symbolic representation of who Lelouch is, and the choices he must make to become who he is at the Zero Requiem. I made a video on this topic a long time ago if you're interested to learn more. Link is below.
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What's your opinion on
CC leting lelouch die
Kallen would have never let lelouch die and make this sacrifice
Don't you think that CC should have gone against his plan ?!?
This is why I love Lost Colors, starring as the amnesiac boy protagonist Rai. You can get a little steamy with even Lelouch.
Kallen's my favorite code geass character, and I can't help but be a big fan of that ship, but I do agree with you that its more on Kallen's end than Lelouch's. That being said, I disagree with your take on Lelouch's lack of reaction to Kallen's body, because I feel Lelouch is somewhere on the ace spectrum when it comes to that. Like there are so many times when Kallen or C.C. are lounging around half nude and this motherfucker is stone-faced. Obviously he's not fully asexual, as you pointed out with his blush at the thought of Shirley's kiss, but even tho he didn't directly say he found Kallen attractive in turn seven, the fact he's willing to let her 'console' him shows he's obviously attracted to her on some level. in regards to Lelouch's love life as a whole tho, imma pick option 4 and say Code Geass is secretly the greatest harem anime ever lol. In all seriousness I think Lelouch loved all three women, albiet in different ways, at some point or another. He loved Shirley for being so truthful with him, and as someone who reminds him of the better things in life. He loves C.C. as someone he can trust with all parts of himself unconditionally, and he loves Kallen as a loyal knight and someone who will fight to keep Lelouch's dream of a gentler world alive. If this motherfucker wasn't so busy with all his schemes, other friendships, revenge, and whatnot, he would've been a harem master the likes of which can challenge even Kirito lol.
He loved all three of them, a great deal. But I don't think he was romantically in love with any of them. He didn't have time or room in his life for that kind of love.
I think Lelouch loved shirley in a way but grew out of it and C.C after everything, made him love her in a different and stronger way. I think Kallen and Lelouch doesnt translate well in the anime. Even from Kallen her feelings are sometimes shown sometimes not. They work best as close friends and confidants. I think Lelouch valued her as an ally thats irreplaceable, almost like he cares about Suzaku
It's definitely a competition between CC and Shirley. I agree with your Kullen analysis. I would lean towards Shirely since it just felt more human. One of the questions they ask is what does it mean to be japanese? It's what's in the heart. They also extend this theme to love. Lulu couldn't express what he felt toward shirley but it gets exposed when she dies, we see his reaction as the most emotional in the entire series. CC and him felt more intellectually connected. They were on the same page with vision and results, sarcasm and smart banter back and forth. Based on the show theme this was a different kind of love but not the romance felt with Shirley, since Shirley's came purely from the heart based on his actions. That's just my view though. I would accept a c.c analysis, but i just can't see kullen
I never thought of it like that interesting take
cc was in first place by default because he had the most time with her and she knew is secret from jump and he needed her constantly. but if it wasn't was that shirley def would have been THE girl. but she in 2nd place because his mission was more important and being with shirley would have just endangered her anyways like it did. and kallen yeah i agree she was way far behind. and he had a lot of respect for her and she definitely like him more than he did for her romantically. i think for her it probably was a fleeting thought but not something he could ever really consider. kinda like when you have a best friend whose attractive and funny and there for you and for a second you think what if, but then go nah. and never really think about it again. that's kallen.
Its 100% shirley since they were super close throughout the anime.
Yuh
That's what I think too
I like
Lelouch & Kallen more
But canon had more evidence for lelouch and cc
And even in the movie
They lived happily ever after
With Shirley, I think it's more of like empathy.. They're in the same group of friends and Lelouch didn't want any harm to them.. Shirley is just a civilian and Lelouch's actions had killed her father, certainly there was some guilt in him and made him question his very plans.. If Lelouch didn't meet C2 and stayed as a normal student, I think he wouldn't have any romantic feelings for her.. A lot of these deep emotional feelings from Lelouch towards her was just brought by Lelouch's actions with the geass and his revenge towards his father and Britannia.
I don’t think there is any doubt that in the end, C.C. was the person he loved. They started out as mostly equal partners in “crime” and then slowly developed into soulmates. There’s a reason why the alternate universe really emphasized their relationship.
I well gave up on Shirley, she's dead. I know the other series skipped her death and the movie "confirmed" it, but she's dead, i mean her death was a huge driving factor for Lelouch towards the end of R2.
kallen i feel guilty about, because i want her and Lelouch together, but despite how good it would be especially since it would be someone who can actually bring out the best of her rather than being a playboy trope, or a cardboard cutout... She still has the hope of ending up with someone who can be good for her, a real character with depth and worth (unlike the what the cuts in the show left for her father).
And that leaves C.C. who despite not being my favorite is the only one Lelouch can really end up with especially with their contracts from the show. Course I don't think a royal like himself should care about monogamy... I mean he already doesn't care about so many other things, like self respect or masculinity... But at the end of everything there would still just only be him and C.C.
C2 was to mysterious way to mysterious so she can’t be his girl
See, I think there's genuine romantic love between Lelouche and all three of them, and he'll probably stay in contact with all three. They'll just have to resolve how that works (or doesn't work) between them like adults.
Shirley was a symbol of what could be for Lelouch, the normalcy and antics of school life is what Lelouch wanted deep down but he couldnt have it due to how it conflicted with his goals. Shirley was the one he truly wanted
Kallen was Lelouch's Queen, his most valuable soldier for the greater part of the series. Lelouch came to value Kallen heavily but never showed much of a romantic connection with her, however he leaned on her more as a crutch and a tool. Kallen wanted Lelouch more.
C.2 knows Lelouch's soul inside and out He was stuck with her and came to love her for the fact that she was the only one that got to see the true him as he existed moment to moment, not the carefully crafted Lamperouge persona or the bold Zero. She knew the man behind both of those masks and Lelouch loved her for it.
C.C The best❤
i sorta find it funny that all the characters people generally think Lelouch loved are the people who for most of the time wanted things from him and only really got a half of him.
shirley loved lelouch but not zero and while she wanted to help him she knew so little about him really or what he wanted.
C.C cared for him but only over time and in the end she still wanted her desire of dying in the end , additionally her love was for the ambition of zero , she saw little value in him being lelouch or a britananin noble.
kallen was an odd ball she had similar goals that were not self serving , she didn't want anything from him , she did not offer up her life to protect him because she was immortal and didn't die by happenstance. Kallen was more likely who would have fit for lelouch in the end had he not become horizontal.