I'm going to join the faction of voices calling for an interview with Thomas Sowell. We likely do not have much time left with him. And a conversation between two brilliant minds like yours and Sowell's would be a gift to the world that would keep on giving long after Sowell's days.
If we could get Sowell and Peterson together, it will help to cement that there’s no scalable way to get equity or equality of outcome in any natural sample size population, especially not under socialism or communism. The patterns of moral authoritarianism under the smiling guise of populism, (False populism), are well documented.
@@ethimself5064 there are many channels dedicated to curating his past appearances into great videos, but I don't think he or his assistants actually produce anything on his behalf. Hopefully Hoover (his think tank) will surprise us with something new in the future! We can dream. Knowing Sowell, he could well have another book in the works 🙏🏾
Yes. It didnt affect her, so therefore it wasn't a problem so why were people complaining about the banning of free speech, imprisonment of protesters, etc.
@@jetnavigator 1:20:50 this is where she essentially says what you said of her. She would be willing to allow it to harm others so long as it doesn’t harm her family.
@@mansiondave23 That’s everyone. What you gonna do? Go against every issue? Not buy stuff made in China ? Not use phone produce by underpaid foreign worker? You basically using a platform selling you data, why not against that?Everyone has a limit how much stuff they can care, nothing wrong with that.
I don't want to hear from Lehmann what so ever. She was in full support of these authoritarian measures that Australia subjected its citizens too. She has been exposed and eventually she will no longer be accepted within anti-authoritarian/libertarian circles.
Quilette accepts funding from, and has been co-opted by the authoritarian military corporate apparatus. Constantly apologizes for overt war crimes committed by the West. Constantly apologies for extreme authoritarian measures that profit pharmaceutical companies.
I have zero respect for anyone who supports stuff like coronamagic nonsense. They're the fear-porn advocates, assisting the state in persecuting people to the point they can't think straight.
I have zero respect for anyone who supports stuff like coronamagic nonsense. They're the fear-porn advocates, assisting the state in persecuting people to the point they can't think straight.
I so appreciate Jordan’s comment 6:27 about people who have not been able to finish a higher education being intelligent and interesting. And the discussion about depression after 14:00 I found deeply interesting. Jordan is that type of uncle that would always have that truthful advice I needed to hear growing up.
Trust me i work in large scale commercial construction and i know guys who failed at college who are highly intelligent. Plenty of super interesting ppl who have lived amazing lives. People who think you should stay in your lane and you cant learn from "lower education" people are naive. Ive learned from all people. Only unintelligent ppl think they are smarest or cant learn from others. Challenge your comfort zone thats the real thing to honor
I found it interesting he followed that with a self referential story about his experience w a prankster in a restaurant but thought it was at first an establishment of commonality but wonder if it wasn't so much of a statement or rather a question or gauge of authenticity or listening. Rather it seemed glossed over
The idea that higher education is a kind of manners is well observed. Autodidacts avoid the bear traps academia surrounds itself with. I recall the first class of an MA where blue collar me thought the lecturer's questions were genuine, not rhetorical. I hadn't realised the question was posed to illustrate there was only one correct answer, and the tutor would lead us from ignorance - of a subject I knew more than he did.
It's difficult to understand these camps. The idea of quarantine is sound but what is not sound is the exploitation of the concept of quarantine. Stupid politicians are using 'camps' to exploit the feeble minded into believing that they care that politicians care about them the people thus they can just lock up anyone that disagrees with their politics under the guise of quarantine. But dont forget that immigration can kill and Australia is an island and if it was a true out break than the quarantine makes sense. All this is because of bent politicians and mainstream media. Bring back President Trump for the free world just to get sanity back.🌿🙏
I don't know much of her, but I know what I have read (which isn't terribly much) of Quilette was the pieces I came across were rather well balanced. People in the centre, by definition of the Left moving further left are pushed the other way in an opposing view. In this interview, as Peterson did, she said she never considered herself a conservative in it's full. While I don't know her stand on Australian covid camps, I do know you don't have to agree 100% with someone to share a lot of commonality. By definition, all or none is a terrible stance to have in life or politics...by definition, it's polarizing.
@@P-PlaterinadollarGQ Peterson definitely saw what she wrote and yet he still went right on ahead on a very ironic interview. Peterson is one of the most erratic individuals out there when it comes to his own decisions. What he promulgates is extremely valuable though.
On the subject of Leftwing authoritarianism, there actually is one worthwhile book on the matter: 'Roots of Radicalism' by Rothmann and Lichter. The authors are trained in psychoanalysis and sometimes apply highly psychoanalytical frameworks to understand their subjects, but they nonetheless did a descent job at researching the student activist movements of the 1960s and arrived at a basic psychological profile of the Leftwing radical/authoritarian (having to do with often concealed aggressive impulses, a hunger for power, projection of this strong desire for power onto political opponents, and need to 'personalize' the external world into an extension of the self through political transformation). They also discussed the biased nature of the social sciences and how earlier portrayals of the student radical were heavily biased in favor of Leftist radicalism. Rothmann's and Lichter's book touches upon some very controversial ground as well, but the authors felt like they had no other choice since according their estimates the majority of the student activist group leaders, protest organizers, and the supportive university faculty came from a certain ethnic minority. For this reason the authors took a brief overview of previous waves of radical Leftism in Central Europe, Eastern Europe, and America, documenting the extent to which Communist and Socialist parties in these places were led by members of this ethnic minority (figures ranging from 11% in the German SPD to 80% in the Hungarian Communism of Bela Kun). Thus, properly understanding Leftwing authoritarianism is not possible without examining this angle. The authors furthermore discussed how individuals of this ethnic background in Weimar Germany "created" a Leftwing intellectual movement dedicated to attacking the social norms of the German society and pushing for feminism, "sexual liberation" and such. They tied this to a larger phenomenon, spreading to America in the 1960s, of intellectuals of this ethnicity seeking to demonstrate the "sickness" of the society for the purpose of undermining it. These intellectuals, no matter how estranged from their ethnic heritage, often carried a deep aversion towards the Christian culture of the West, whose light-skinned recipients were all assumed to be evil antisemites and racists. It's a good reading, if you think you can handle such heavy facts and the psychoanalytical babble the authors occasionally engage in.
Ted Kaczynski actually had a fairly accurate take on leftwing radicals in his manifesto, Industrial Society and its Future. Yes he was the Unibomber and a lot of his writings are crazy, but his section on the "over-socialized" Left is worth reading. He was a university professor so he saw the activism first-hand.
way to try and pass off a legitimate, worthwhile piece of scholarship as a simplistic, worn out, cliched antisemitic screed. Rothmann and Lichter weren't antisemites, and the Jewish ethnic heritage of Bolsheviks, anarchists, and "radical" intellectuals of all stripes from Marx to Freud to Einstein to Chomsky is not presented as teleological by the authors in the way that it is misrepresented here by you. In other words: I see you Nazi.
@@EddyLeeKhane he's talking about Jews, of course. As if Karl Marx and Abbie Hoffman have anything in common.... much less have anything to do with Joseph Stalin or Norman Finkelstein.
Claire Lehman opines on authoritarianism, eh? Not much credibility left in that tank imo, given her recent sympathies with the draconian measures implemented by her government
Don't judge Australia by one moron Premier and Tuckers provocatoce coverage of it. Does not represent what was happening in Oz. Logic fallacy and a MAGA dude talking point I'm getting quite sick of. Low resolution thinking
@@bidhrohi12 ahh i see. so authoritarianism is fine as long as its effective in its goals of "saving lives". cool cool cool. Too bad all that lockdown BS reduced mortality by a whopping 0.02% and based Florida man was just given a high mark for how it handled covid. whoops.
@@bidhrohi12 lol yeah by far most inflated Numbers as well, not to mention the banning of using drugs that obviously work, and fauci the man who created all this having to try and cover his ass and denying people from getting early treatment all while democrats stuffed sick people into elderly homes for some damn reason. I guess you missed the lockdowns and masks likely did almost nothing?! See here in America we aren’t willing to give up freedoms for so called safety, I will love with dangerous freedom any day before I live in peaceful slavery
So that's why the downvotes? So childish... People support "wrong" things/ measures all the time. That doesn't mean that everything they do is shit as well. Take the good ideas and dis-regard the best ones. Stop engaging in this "you did something bad in the past, so I will punish you for the sensible thing you're doing in the present"
As much as I value and cherish Dr. Peterson, this lady is part of the system; all in with lockdowns and mandates. She's not anti-authoritarian she IS authoritarian.
Peterson seems to be a deep thinker and quite the considered and introspective individual. I really appreciate his insights. That said... how best to compare him to Tim Pool? Tim pool looks at the philosophy but emphasizes the importance of judging individuals based upon the actions they take. Peterson isn't deeply in touch with the behaviors of many of the people he brings on so he often brings on guests that Tim would press far harder. I've grown accustom to conducting a more indepth assessment of Petersons guests for this reason, as much as I respect the man, I don't believe he pushes back on his guests or has even done the research to know where to push back. It's not a critique of the man per say, more just that I don't think that's in his wheel house. Edit: I'm sure the man is exceptionally perceptive as a world renowned clinical physiologist and can probably see through far more than he lets on.
People who think covid was fake and believed nonsense about vaccines now think quillette was on their side because they got the woke topic correct by accident
I'll finish watching this... But I do wonder if Jordan will ask Claire about her excusal of Australis's tyrannic COVID measures. Cheerleading the "special quarantine camps". See y'all after...
@@MHLivestreams Ughhh. That's the type of thing I'd expect someone on twitter to say. As bad as the government reacted to covid and as much as their reach for control should be criticized, comparing it to the holocaust is just stupid. It just comes off as hyper-reactionary.
@@steven5054 the "success" of a public health policy, is not a measure of its ethical correctness. I'm sure you're familiar with the saying on the sacrificing liberty in the name of security/safety.
I would like to hear a discussion centered entirely around the concept of "safety" as a virtue and whether or not its current importance is related to the advancement of women into politics and business. Safety as a virtue is a monstrous problem and people have a hard time talking about it because it seems so good.
When has "safety" ever been anything other than virtuous? Most things that are actually "safe" are simply just being smart in your setup and execution. Anytime "safety" comes from a source other than YOU, it is nothing more than a matter of control.
@@MH3GL Can you really not think of any situation where "safety" was used as an excuse for pettiness, cheapness, power tripping or resentment? I think anyone could list a few examples of this easily
Yep, I’ve been thinking this particularly over the last two years. Everyone keeps saying we need to be safe, but we’re building a prison and the worst thing about it is that we’re there ones that are asking (in some cases screaming) for the prison.
Perhaps back in 2018 she could have attained to this virtue she's purporting, but definitely not now. Not sure if it's ignorance or blindness - she represents a serious and deceptive part of the problem - but it's actually people like her that confound the general public, and allow the excuse and growth for establishment authoritarian positions. It's really remarkable to see the dissonance from someone that would likely preen to these virtues as they profess and excuse.
You mean that she weighed pros and cons of Covid zero policy, while being quite pragmatic and utilitarian in her approach, and basing her reasoning on what was back then on the table, she arrived at the conclusion that it is worth pursuing? Yeah who cares that she’s pro nation state, that she recognises group differences, liberal overreach on campuses - we can’t have an ally who was pro vaccine mandate and pro quarantine! FREEDOM!!111!!!!1!!1!1
I used to read every single article that Quillette published, until Claire showed total conformity and support for lockdowns, vaxx mandates, and criticizes anyone who questioned covid measures. Not to mention that poorly written hit piece on Bret Weinstein for showing interest in Ivermectin. I used to love the magazine and have a great deal of trust and respect for what they published. Since covid, I've lost a great deal of trust in the magazine and I'm only an occasional reader. Claire's embrace of government overreach was a real turn off.
How crazy is that as I'm listening to her talk about the dangers of unrelated adults around children...but trust big government. Really? Seriously? To be wary of fellow citizens might be wise, but to be hyper-wary of others while trusting big government mandates is not, it's insanity.
,@@Stringz I pulled out completely the moment I sensed that she had become confident enough to allow her manipulation of complex articles to be noticed. Although this was pre-pandemic, I still may glance at the odd article.
@@Sal3600 very true, however when she talks about being on guard to left wing authoritarianism and has defended when it is on her doorstep, it is difficult to take her seriously.
Couldn’t have picked a better person to talk to about left-wing authoritarianism, she’s been the number 1 cheerleader for tyrannical government Covid-19 lockdowns in Australia for the last two years.
All I can say is being in a European country we swung from wave to wave and were always wearing masks...my Australian friends hardly even notices the pandemic. They were comparatively more free than us
@@DesertFernweh But most masks don't work and there has always been concerns around the COVID vaccine from the beginning. You would seriously prefer someone backing authoritarianism tendencies over legit skepticism?
Well not only am I Australian, I live in Melbourne, which endured the harshest restrictions in the country. I will not soon forget what our state government has done over the last two years here. And the Victorian Police are also an absolute disgrace, their reputation will be forever poisoned by their conduct during the Covid-19 hysteria.
I love Jordan as if I know him i person. I can hear his voice when I'm about to do something stupid and I hear his encouragement when I'm doing something good. I'm even reading the Bible and giving more respect to traditions. Rescuing the father from the dead.
Claire is a good example of anti left wing authoritarianism to a degree... understood by her as an individual. Once the levels and root of the authoritarianism extends beyond the understanding you see the same individual in support of the very values once widely fought against. It's the affect of scientism and the lens that gives to the rational mind concerned primarily with empiricism. The deeper realms of the spiritual nature of our psychology and religious instincts hide left wing authoritarianism from the rational. I was disappointed to see. Even JP has been slow to identify this Union of left wing authoritarianism expressed through vaccine mandates.
She should have been outraged at the degree of authoritarian actions by the Aussie government but the response to Covid amongst the populace has not been drastically different between the left and right from a citizen's perspective. A pandemic strikes fear in both sides. In general tho the right tends to be more independent and in control of their lives. Hence they want less authoritarian actions from the government in general.
Im from Germany. The Australian response to covid was quite harsh but ways more effective than here. Harder, but shorter and better for the overall outcome.
I left LA in '21, after 6 years living there, to explore the EU. I had had just absolutely enough of it and desperately needed inspiration, along with restored hope for humanity--and simply, for my own life. About two months later, in the middle of Croatia, I stopped off at the tiniest town of 100 people where there's a lone waterfall. This was no where near the coast or in any sense a touristy area, and not at all like the larger national parks. I walked out to the waterfall, off the path from the small road, and there on a tiny stone building, some rubble of the prior '91 Croatian war for indepedence, was graffiti: A.C.A.B. - complete with the periods, confirming it wasn't just some foreign word, but the abbreviation. My heart sank. "Here?! Even, here?!" Two months later, walking around Turku, Finland, there's more ACAB graffiti on boards put up around some of the city's renovations, along with hammer and sickle and anarchy signs. I just couldn't believe it. Turku was one of the most serene, clean, and peaceful cities I have ever had the fortune to experience, and so I stayed there for three months. And, yet, even there. It's hard to imagine a better place where it's possible to live--perhaps, slightly warmer...anteeksi ;) It's been a year now, living overseas across Croatia, Finland, and the UK. In every place, I found amazing qualities, envied by myself, as an American. One host in Croatia, a working-class family, talked about excitement at the idea of Starbucks--something American, modern, a little self-indulgent luxury. The view from her home, on top of a hillside, with a clear view of the Adriatic and neighboring islands off Split, was absolutely breathtaking. The water and the air were so clean. I felt like she had a rich life, and told her when I left, that I hoped she never traded the view for a Starbucks. The constancy of human-dissatisfaction, I found, was everywhere I went, no matter what good was there to be found. I set out from the US seeking perspective--real and lived, not through an IG filter--with no small part of me wishing to find a new home, somewhere else, somewhere 'better.' Now I'm making plans to settle back into the states--and make a home, a home worthy of all that is good, in spite of, and perhaps, *because* of the absolute mess that is American culture. That's my gd mess. Leaving for somewhere else can't be the solution; fixing what is ours has to be. Sisyphus had his rock, and that was enough. Let's imagine ourselves happy.
As a Croatian who left for the same reasons you describe and came to the same conclusions you describe, I found solace in your comment, though I am not ready to go back having made my life elsewhere. But you are right - it’s the same everywhere, with its advantages and drawbacks. We’re all human in the end. As for graffiti - it must have been some young rebellious tourist not appreciating public property, almost regardless of what the graffiti itself said. We can hope life teaches them with time that things are not so simple to fix and that there is not much courage in calling out a problem (which probably you don’t even have first experience of) without offering the potential solution. It’s easy to critique. However, I do believe it is good that people travel (despite the immaturity in destroying the surroundings) because I am convinced it broadens one’s horizons even if subtly and not immediately. As for Starbucks- it’s the advertising from the American TV we were all raised on and the lack of travel (due the to financial situation) and knowing people from different cultures and the absence of diverse thinking. Croatia is very homogenous. With lack of experience, people judge superficially. Hoping you find your place under the sun, Martina
@@eddiedreher7535 I lived 3 months in Iceland, 4 in Norway, coming and going to Spain (fluent in Spanish) frequently over the years but living now for 10 years in London, UK. Where in the States are you from? I find it so curious when people go to Croatia :) At the time I left, I felt no one out of Europe knew of it. Maybe it was just my (wrong) impression :)
I’m pretty sure Tim pool heavily criticized quillet or at least one of their journalists for writing fluff pieces about the Australian covid camps. (Where people who were suspected of being in contact with an infected person were taken against their will) I think he even went so far as to call it outright propaganda. I don’t live in Australia, so it’s entirely possible my interpretation of this is wrong. But I would like to see this point addressed.
Not that young anymore anyway, probably looking to cash in at some point by not ruffling too many feathers, as is typical with most organizations that were once 'young, independent and dissident'.
@Ambient Music: To make you feel better I don't know if I can trust anyone that uses a geographic argument to make a statement on the merit of an individual.
@Ambient Music: To make you feel better we don't need to trust someone to vet their ideas. Either the ideas have merit or they don't, regardless of the person uttering them.
I live in a suburb of Portland, Oregon. My wife has lived in the PDX area for her entire life and is very outgoing and well loved and knows countless people all over the area. During the BLM riot period, which we haven't really entirely come out of yet (because the same people are in power and nothing has really changed), phone video clips got passed around, and private social media posts got passed around. I've done work for the department of corrections and so have some of my friends. My wife knows people who are married to policemen and people who own businesses downtown, and.. oh a lot of people. During the era launching riots, there were people who locked other people into buildings and set those buildings on fire. There were people who violently attacked groups who had just come to pray over the city and worship God, and these people verbally attacked random innocent bystanders, and threatened them without any provocation. There were people who drove along back roads and threw burning bottles of gas into brush and started such conflagrations that entire small towns were burned to the ground. A few of these people came forward, after they witnessed what they'd become a part of, and told police and others that they and the people they'd come in with weren't from Oregon at all. They weren't from the area. They were flown in and paid to do the things they were doing. They were receiving and passing along instructions from out of state. It was an orchestrated political event, paid for by people with a lot of money. There were murderers that video evidence could convict, who walked free because the D.A. wouldn't prosecute them. The refusal to prosecute criminals was so rampant that the Portland Emergency Response team, a police team that responds quickly when someone calls 911 saying they or their property are under violent attack (for example), quit. They all walked off their jobs, because nothing they did stuck, and the mainstream media and the D.A.'s office seemed to be entirely against them. It is an undeniable fact, at this point, it is an inescapable conclusion, that there are incredibly amoral enemies of western civil society in general, active in the world, who have a lot of money and are willing to go as far as paying groups of thugs to commit arson and murder to achieve their ends, and they are able, somehow, to effectively pressure public officials.
Pure gold at 43:xx: "[T]the thing about activism is that it's almost always predicated on the idea that you're right -- you're morally superior and you've identified the people who are wrong. To me that's one step away from mob and it's one step away from punishment. One of the things that makes me ashamed in relationship to the universities is that universities are pretty good at teaching young people that being an activist is a good thing. I'm not so sure at all that it's a good thing. I think it's pseudo responsibility. Especially because it always comes with the easy identification of just who the enemy is."
"It's the smallest number of people causing the most extreme amount of havoc" Yes. This is what happens when you centralize power and control. A small number of extremists can spend a minimal amount of energy against the specific points of control, and achieve an extreme amount of influence.
I don't know Claire, this is the first time I listened to her and I like what I hear so far. Just remember some of the most staunch conservatives started out as liberals, some pretty hard-core liberals. I'm willing to give her room to grow.
@@stevefisher6746 This was filmed in October 2021. A couple of months after that she did display odd behavior on twitter that seemed vastly different from what you see in this video.
I really admired how Claire allowed authors on her site to post their experiences of transgenderism in their families and themselves, both pro and con and also mixed views. It was material found nowhere else. But the site has gradually deteriorated into squabbling matches of commentators with the majority who tend to uphold accepted (to them) opinions and bully those who don't. I used to read everything there but now I find little of interest, most is one-sided.
Exactly this. Quillette started strong but deteriorated into just another establishment rag a long time ago. I'm surprised anyone pays any attention to them anymore, especially someone like Peterson.
Don't you find the same in almost every popular/mainstream platform. I deleted all forms of social media some years ago except reddit because I actually liked some of the conversation there but today all I see from 90% of the top comments is point scoring/finger pointing/soap opera blame games. Nobody actually wants to have open discussions right now, even more so from the so called left in which I associated myself with since a young teenager. I would still call my views somewhat socialistic although for personal development I definitely see the handicaps in socialistic movements. My main socialistic stance is that we are all humans on one planet and there are far too many suffering literally to make others richer beyond comprehension. As soon as you say anything that opposes another view you are instantly ridiculed, name called or pigeonholed into some derogatory category. I have slowly accepted that the general population will more or less blindly follow beliefs deep rooted from early stages in their life, attacking anyone who opposes them because it is easier to do that than consider their long standing opinion might be wrong. Add on the fact that said belief can be approved with hundreds of likes on a social media platform and you have a very very hard wall to break. Thankfully I have found some good friends who share all sorts of opposing political views and I tend to just keep my discussions within those smaller circles. I think it would be extremely idealistic to ever expect a mass adopted platform to have sensible reasonable discussion on.
I have lost quite a bit of respect for Claire, based upon some of her social media takes on certain issues over the past couple years. Quillette is still worth reading, though.
That’s essentially what she was saying in this video, though not specifically on the trans issue; that a minority of these movements take over and garner support and turn into bullying mobs. Jordan pointed out in the video that this interview was recorded in October 2021. And I agree with you in having noticed a difference in her online presence since the middle of last year. But in noticing a subtle difference I’ve started paying less attention to her because there’s too much craziness going on to allow too much extra in. But I recon I should look her up and see how things are going.
@@maafg4435 well, as one example-which may or may not bother you-I was disappointed in her enthusiasm for COVID vaccine mandates, and the way she happily derided people who were skeptical of such mandates as anti-vaxxers.
Even though we may distinguish ourselves as "right" and "left" wing, authoritarianism is part of the human temptation, whether you're left or right wing doesn't matter. I think a true authoritarian person, would "switch sides" when it suits him.
Without defining the terms right, left, conservative, liberal, or moderate precisely, the discussion is fairly pointless. The simplest and, IMO, most accurate scale is reflected in percent of government control needed for a given ideology. The left-most ideology, communism, requires 100% government control of everything. There have been no communist regimes where that wasn't the case. The opposite pole is logically anarchy or 0% government. Socialism is to the right of communism. Libertarianism is to the left of anarchy, and small government conservatism is to the left of libertarianism. Fill in the rest of the political spectrum, then look at history. All of the great authoritarian regimes of the last century have been communist or socialist. There have never been libertarian or small gov conservative authoritarians. The "right-wing authoritarians" Peterson mentions are Nazis, which were national socialists. They're right-wing only if you limit the political spectrum to Stalin's, in which there's left-wing communists and right-wing socialists. But that leaves out everything that's not Marxist and makes zero sense.
“You know, penises are actually quite complex. It’s not that easy to take your arm and turn it into one.” The jabbing humor JBP. Made me laugh out loud as I trog through the work day.
Having brought up two daughters on my own. I appreciate that observation by Jordan about that simple thing of just having the other half to talk to, it is a big thing that is missing in a single parent family, it was hard. On the other hand, Q's referrence to step parents, well fathers, and the danger they present. It would have been nice for them to point out that for every bad one there are thousands of men that have dedicated a large part of their lives bringing up others children. I have a step daughter now and I would do everything to protect her as I wouuld for my own.
My partner was raised by a loving stepfather and great man, so I appreciate your message. My take when listening to this part of the discussion was that Jordan and Q were speaking directly about the likelihood of violence by stepfathers compared to biological fathers. It wasn't a discussion about whether or not stepfathers are good fathers, you know? To me, their discussion about love and the commitment required to raise a child (they were talking about conservative values, long term pair bonding, benefits of strong families) highlighted how single parents and step parents demonstrate a miraculous love that is above and beyond. God bless and all the best to you and your family
Don’t take it as an attack on you Mick, or on any step-parents specifically. It’s a generalization based on statistics. If you’re not adding to the statistics then you’re reducing them. And maybe in our lifetime, us step-parents will be statistically the better option. All we can do is do good works and hope for the best.
I’ve lost any respect I ever had for her. She showed her true colors by taking the side of the tyrannical Australian government. Just started watching this, but I’m not sure I want to watch the rest. I’ll think it over.
There's no principle behind what she says. She all lost all credibility as a voice for free speech during Covid. I don't get the sense that she has changed her opinion at all. She now comes off as just another grifter.
Fair enough, as Peterson would say. Claire Lehmann lost any authority she had on the freedom front during covid, but I'd give her a break considering how over the top the insanity went in Australia. It's testament to Jordan that he didn't bow down to Canadian authorities who were almost as wacko.
Keep in mind JP mentioned this podcast was recorded in Oct(2021-assuming) pretty sure lockdowns in Aussie were still in full effect. That being said, Im not trying to defend her character, I am curious to know her current position on lockdowns and covid tho. This podcast does very little to help her PR. If I were to be as generous as possible to her, I’d say she needed extra sleep, coffee or something to make her thoughts more clearer and precise and most importantly DEEPER. There’s very little exploration going in the the entire conversation and im 2/3 of the way through.
@@bidhrohi12 And Bidens principles are so above board?? He's actually verifiably destroying the country when all you had is Russia Russia Russia for 4 years. And we should listen to you?
The Canadian government was worse than Australia’s government during Covid-19, and I say that as an Australian furious at what has become of my country over the last two years. Australia has both a federal government, and a number of state governments similarly to the USA. Most of more insane covid measures you’ve seen reported in the news and on social media we’re imposed by state governments, while the federal government stood feebly by and did nothing to reign them in.
Quillette impressed me when they called out "Scientific"American as going eco-woke and thus dropping the scientific approach. Something we have seen in our work (environmental medicine) but that hardly anybody else seemed to notice... not so sure about the things we have heard here though.
Attacking institutions doesn't necessarily mean building new ones. Attacking flaws and sins in institutions doesn't have to destroy them, but can be about changing them for the better...replacing bad practices with better, real-world-proven practices. This was a very good discussion. Thank you. God bless you.
Claire showed hysterical conformity and fanatical support for lockdowns, vax mandates, and criticized anyone who questioned any covid measures. She lost my support.
I think it's inevitable that two people won't always agree on everything. I too disagree with her stance on the covid pandemic, but that isn't to say that she is still great and has worthy points. Limiting yourself of great minds simply because of one differential opinion is quite narrow minded. I think this ultimately plays into our current cultures inability (for the most part) to have healthy debates and simply "agree to disagree." Ego is constantly getting in the way, competition has almost been ingrained into us, and unless you come out as 'right' at the end of the argument, respect is loss on both sides. I think it's intelligent and beautiful to respect defying opinions. This is the basis of a democracy; to speak your opinion, even it's wrong. As soon as you go shutting people down (or canceling them) because you don't agree, it is no longer a democracy.
@@77XTINA That's all good and well but the pandemic is not really something we need an opinion on. People will just go along with whatever their governments put forward. It was government and media shills who created the pandemic for whatever reasons; incompetence, money, social change or all three which is most likely. What our countries have done is/was disgusting and completely irrational and unnecessary. If someone can't see the problem from the beginning then they're not paying attention and therefore their opinion is not really worth anything and shouldn't be taken seriously. The problem is that the people who can't see the problems are the same people who make the rules and have informative platforms which millions of people consume. I'm very political and I could see straight through the pandemic nonsense from the offset. Why? I follow the principles of Objectivism. I reject altruism and more importantly, I understand people and myself. I easily predicted all of the outcomes of the pandemic, even before many very well known and followed public speakers did. That's not to say that anyone who doesn't follow the principles I follow is a bad person or is alway wrong. I remembered some people talking about covid on Question Time a few months before lockdown. They were talking about a virus in China and as you may well know, a lot of the audience is hand-picked. Why were they talking about it? I looked into it. Based on the information, which was enough, I came to the conclusion that it was a fairly mild/moderate flu that will affect some people more than others but won't be a massive problem. I made a mistake myself in underestimating the stupidity and corruption in our societies. I'm not a particularly smart person, I didn't go to University and I don't proclaim to know everything. However, when it comes to state control of our entire lives, the destruction of the economy (and therefore our livelihoods) and the pushing of pseudo-moralistic values and propaganda spouted from the mouths of vile hypocrites who will never suffer the consequences... It's not up for debate. It should never have happened. The people who have power today aren't always competent and they don't always know what they're talking about. They just read what someone who is "informed" has written and take it as gospel. Scientists are wrong all the time and they shouldn't be in control of our countries. That's what happened though. Large pharmaceutical companies and the government propaganda machine started rolling out the misinformation and raking in the cash for themselves as well as all the other very predictable outcomes. In conclusion, why does her opinion or the opinion of her employees matter? They don't matter! Very few opinions matter when it comes to these things. So why are we taking it all on board and letting these people run everything? Altruism and the philosophies which reject reality and reason. We have to create a better society so that the people in general but most importantly those in charge aren't whimsical people and we'll be prosperous and see much better progress in all parts of human life and civilisation.
@@AtlasofInfo I think you might have misunderstood my viewpoint. I was saying that her stance on the covid pandemic doesn't matter. Especially in the context on this interview.. I didn't think it was necessary to discuss the current pandemic as that wasn't the focus of the discussion. And most importantly, regardless of her opinion on covid, it shouldn't disregard her intelligence as a whole and everything else she could offer on other topics. I assume you watched this talk. Not focusing on the pandemic right now; do you think this was a worthwhile discussion?
@@77XTINA Apologies, I have strong opinions about the pandemic so I can get ahead of myself sometimes. I understand what you were saying and it's of course a worthwhile discussion but when a person reverts to a completely authoritarian stand point, it brings into question the validity of their position on anything. If a person just outright trusts the government and media (given the history), then they're not very intelligent to start with and the pandemic was an appeal to emotion with abhorrent levels of propaganda being used. I would never change my entire belief system or outlook on life on a whim. She calls herself a "centrist" but where's the middle ground in supporting authoritarianism with no evidence or conflicting evidence? Something's not right with that. An intelligent person would question everything, including themselves and those around them.
Once Quillette got rid of open comments (some of the most fun after reading their non-mainstream pieces), I only visit on occasion as there's nobody I can discuss the with and I don't have the extra cash to subscribe to the numerous such forums.
@@bingochoice she called anyone an anti-vaxxer if they were apprehensive or brought up potential adverse reactions to the vaxx, or the ethical concerns regarding forced-vaccination and government overreach. I got vaccinated as soon as it was available due my job. I was fine after my first shot, and then suffered severe neurological issues after my second. This opened my eyes to the risks of the vaccine, and of tyranny as my primary care doctor told me he was too afraid of the college of physicians and surgeons to give me an exemption once the requirement was 3 shots. Claire, and many like her, said concerns about vaccine safety are the result of conspiracy theories and those refusing should be locked up. She posted pics on Twitter of her sunbathing while mocking those who were locked away. It’s one thing to disagree. It’s another to mock and laugh at the pain and fear of others. I can’t respect her and see her as conceited and cruel. She lacked basic curiosity about what was going on, and basic empathy for those she disagreed with.
Clair is a technocrat verging on totalitarian. Especially when it comes to the cough. Bashing the woke 🏳️🌈alphabet people was edgy in 2016. Today it is mainstream to feel pity for their indoctrination. Today no one wants to discuss the elephant in the room. I hope Clair had her fourth 💉 she is so fond of forcing on others.
16:21 "with depressed and anxious people, they'll often avoid eye contact. They're trying to shield themselves from what they see as excessive evaluation" this explains my life
While I appreciate you being willing to talk to anyone, I won't be watching this. If I wanted to be constantly lied to by an authoritarian, I'd turn on the news.
Choosing not to watch/listen to a long form talk because of pre-conceived idea's of who you think the person is is exactly the opposite thing of what Jordan Peterson teaches. It's the very reason why he himself is so misunderstood and why there is so much political tension. I would therefor encourage all of us to watch this, even if you don't like the person. Whilst you might not agree with some of their values, they may have viewpoints which you have never thought of before / learn something from.
@@iamme788 It's not a preconceived idea. It's historical fact. She said what she said and made her points. She told us who she is. We don't have to guess.
@@iamme788 you're trying to sound reasonable and openminded, while being completely misinformed and ignorant. She has explicitly shown herself to be an authoritarian in her actions, despite her claim to fame being anti-authoritarianism. Listening to her talk about being anti-authoritarian talking points. That's not being openminded. It's wasting time being lied to by a blatant liar.
@@Biggiiful Thanks for the reply. I'm not trying, I am reasonable and open minded. And your right, I'm completely misinformed and ignorant on so much. My point is that choosing to flat out not watch something because of something that people have said in the past / present on one topic might mean that we loose out on the background of 'why' they feel like that - It might help us to understand. For this same reason we might also loose out on other interesting insights on other topics from people who clearly don't think like us.
I actually followed her on Twitter for a long time. She seemed to be reasonable and pro liberty. Until the pandemic. She went full authoritarian on the back mandates and Australian lockdowns. She has a blind spot to her authoritarian shadow. Wanted to share that before I watch the video… I’m certainly open to hear what she has to say.
Listend to most of the talk before I looked at the comments. Many seem to point her questionable conduct out. Many are not as tactful as yours though. I mean, I'm of the opinion to at least try to judge the present talk instead of her past conduct? I'm happy that you wrote it as It startled me into looking back skeptically on their discussion. I should probably do this more often so as to not blindly take in a whole talk & not scrutinize if something's off about it. Thanks! ^^
Well its hypocritical to talk with JPB about the "left wing authoritarianism, when you support authoritarianism in your own country. I think it's right wing in that case but no clue about Australia other than the fact that they totally list it, outlawed encryption, total lockdown dystopia, every scary place. Follow Unheard or something rather than Quilette. Its like woke authoritarianism is bad but "health" authoritarianism is great. She actually believes they do this to help people, I thought she was more intelligent than this.
Being an activist is only a good thing if there is responsibility in your activism. You don't get to go to s protest, burn down a car dealership, than go back to your dorm room to smoke dope and pat yourself on the back for how much you care. If you really care you'll volunteer as a big brother or sister, you'll volunteer to lead a youth group, you'll volunteer at a homeless shelter.
@@iamthe80s49 I wish I could take credit for it, but it's not my position. I was raised Catholic and one of the things that struck me was what Jesus detested more than anything else was those wouldn't walk their talk. He called them actors, the Greek word is hypocrite. Talk is cheap, if you don't live by what you preach you're a despicable human being.
I spent years as an environmental activist trying to stop the last virgin forests from being cut down. You have to have people on the ground (more technically, in the trees) stopping something atrocious from happening while the legal system runs its course because the default is cut and run. It was a corrupt institution that permitted the logging in the first place, that same institution is not going to provide a moratorium for the interim. I think the same thing could be said about civil rights movement. I hear what you're saying about the modern social justice paradigm, but it's not fair to throw the baby out with the bathwater. People need to express themselves in public en mass. I would say the political activism promoted by lobbyists in Washington is far more problematic, corrupt institutions writing policy for corrupt institutions.
Before I take the time to listen to this entire interview, does Claire Lehmann ever acknowledge her role in supporting the authoritarian practices of the Australian government during the last two years?
Asking the important questions. After the way she's acted and the things she's said during COVID I'm not inclined to listen to her opinion on anything.
This convo is good on the surface for what it covered. BUT...that no questions or conversation covered Covid response, attitude, principles and results....is a failure...to plan, or a failure of courage. Claire is a Trudeau enthusiast in all she has cheered on against her fellow Aussies in the past 2 years, an apologist for all mandates, lockdowns, surveillance, police crack downs and abuse, including drones in her own city and around the country. A POV that she lost nothing on, as she didn't lose a cent in subjugating her fellows. THAT would have been an appropriate conversation topic, given JBPs vocal discussions re Canada. Writing this episode off....
Peterson asked Sowell already, but Sowell declined due to ill health (bear in mind that he's now 91 years old). It's probably never going to happen, unfortunately.
I've listened to hundreds of JP podcasts, this one I find really fluid and just a joy listening to, a casual vibe, not trying to prove or press a point, thank you both for a lovely few hours!
Claire Lehmann is great example of how twitter is worthless platform and less you use the better. Her twitter takes are absolutely garbage, and it is often hilariously and verifiably wrong that probably did more damage to her publication's brand than helped.
Very true. Her little "gems" on covid were like watching someone with diarrhoea using a glass toilet. Also has she set up an OnlyFans yet or is she still just posting bikini pics?
I did my doctoral dissertation on the effects of the Like" button on help-seeking behavior, hypothesizing that a therapist perceived as "too social" would dissuade many from seeking their consultations. My findings convinced me to delete Facebook.
*Dr. Peterson said he likes smart working class writers. C. Lehman said she hires such writers, they are a unique voice.* One of them said newsrooms have been taken over, by the children of the upper classes. *I read in The Harvard Crimson, a stat:* the average Harvard student, comes from a family income 3X the American average. This explains a lot of the decline in the Democrat Party. *In the Kennedy era* lots of Democrats came from the working class. Even the ones that went to Harvard. They had sympathy, since that's where their roots were. The Studs Terkel type. *Charles Murray had a similar insight in Coming Apart.* When smart women started going to university, this meant the upper classes tended to marry someone else, from the upper classes. This put a brake on class mobility. The upper classes used to contain more folks, who originally were from the lower classes. No more. Upper class people are now a self-contained eco-system. *Funny the Woke Crowd are not aware of this. Oh wait...they are all upper class and upper class wannabees, reflecting the neurotic post-modernists, who have very limited interaction with the lower classes they pretend to understand.* *This is solvable* by recognizing the importance of class in America, adjusting hiring requirements to be along class lines. But the upper class university system has largely become a system of inter-generational wealth transfer and nepotism, for the upper classes. Geography and where different sorts of people chose to live plays a large role. Liberal types like big cities, along the coast. Conservatives, smaller cities, not in the coast, so much. Guess where the vast majority of applicants to elite colleges are picked from? Liberal elite cities. The elite university system is a positive feedback loop of upper class privilege, tearing America apart. All this ends in elite disdain for most Americans, they don't understand. Contempt for voters is not a solid basis, for legitimacy for the ruling class. *Donald Trump grew up rich.* But his dad made him work with plumbers and electricians a few summers in his youth. So what am I explaining? Why Trump got elected and Democrats turned into bad, bad people. The American upper classes are lacking in self-awareness.
@@gailhill8391 Nobody needs to go to college anymore, it’s a place for indoctrination and it’s been for decades. I don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@gailhill8391 Quotas for women? One of the things that progressives get wrong, is about women. Are women an economically oppressed group? Depends on who they marry. My sister Norma, like me, is from the working class. Norma never went to university, worked as a secretary. Yet she's worth millions. Happily retired, life of luxury. How did that happen? Norma married a successful lawyer. All his money, became hers. My other sister Cheryl married a truck driver. Lower middle class poverty, all the way. His lack of money, became her lack of money. The progressive fairy tale about the economic prospects of women and needing quotas doesn't take into account marriage. Young women from the upper classes are born into privilege, then go to university where they are trained to think of themselves as "oppressed". Yet white working class male truck drivers earning low wages from long hours, supposedly have "white male privilege". Most upper class liberal women, even the men, buy into this progressive fairy tale, even when their dad's a lawyer and mom's an accountant. I've seen it. The privileged pretend they are oppressed, while looking down on the actual oppressed, as supposedly privileged. It's absurd. It's a feature of clown world. Quotas for minorities? As Jesse Watters pointed out a couple days ago on Fox, he showed a chart comparing a variety of racial groups in America, how well different groups are doing, economically. Whites are economically in the middle. Not at the top. Black Americans are at the bottom economically, but Indian Americans from India are at the top, and Chinese, Japanese, Filipino Americans are more economically successful than white people as a whole. As are Nigerian Americans, curiously. They also earn more money, than whites. This data puts into doubt, the whole progressive left wing agenda, their agenda includes at the very top of their to-do list, their desire to discriminate against white males in particular. This inclination to go after white men, it comes out of their view of history, with white Christian males as being supposedly the villain of history, the bad guy, the source of all evil in the world. I started noticing some of this long ago, in the late 1970s when I was in university. I picked up a library reference book full of official American government statistics. (A Statistical Abstract of the United States) I had many Chinese and Japanese friends at the time, so I was curious, how well Chinese and Japanese Americans were doing? Was racism holding them back? At first I was just another brain washed liberal. But the stats said: Even in the late 1970s/early 1980s these non-white groups were already economically outperforming whites, according to official U.S. gov't stats. We've been lied to, for decades. The lies continue. But, some people are starting to tell truths. Thanks.
@@gailhill8391 Good comment on white Christian men needing to go to college. I agree. I also agree with Dr. Peterson, who tells them to step up their game, be responsible. You're not wrong, about that. A couple of mistakes by Woke progressives, added to this trend: -Dr. Christina Hoff Sommers, a friend of Dr. Peterson wrote a book called The War on Boys. Basically, our elite decided decades ago, to make schools, more girl friendly. It was all about helping girls get ahead, not boys. They changed many things to encourage this trend. So did government. Progressives succeeded spectacularly. Girls are now vastly out-performing guys, in school. This is usually a good predictor of who will do well in life, economically. The Woke Progressives succeeded in their goal. What progressive liberals forgot or ignored: Women choose which men to marry, based on how well men do in life. And women do the choosing, when it comes to sex and who to marry, far far more than men do. That's just nature. J. Peterson shed some light on this recently: Dr. Peterson talked to Dr. David Buss recently. Dr. Buss is the world's top evolutionary thinker, on human mating. Dr. Buss said women evolved to chose males, on the basis of how well males can help women, with resources. This makes sense, for women to do so. Also: Women evolved to marry across and up. That means women tend to only want men who are on their level economically, or higher than the women. Practical example: Female doctors mostly only marry male doctors, not male plumbers. But male doctors, will marry pretty women who work at Safeway. Or male doctors will gladly marry female doctors. Men don't care about female economic status. Women just think we do. This female mating strategy makes sense and is reasonable for women to do this because: women get pregnant, invest heavily in offspring, so they need useful men around, to help them out. The opposite is not true. That's why men don't care about a woman's economic status. The reason: Men don't get pregnant. We don't need to do that. Now think about this new progressive mating pattern, in regards to how we re-shaped school to favor girls, how we re-shaped government to advantage women over men, how progressive politics wants to advantage women over men. What effect does all this have, on women? Does it help women? Most people think this always helps women, but I don't think so. For obvious reasons: This liberal pattern in the real world, it creates a shortage of available men, for the women to marry....because women now outcompete men. Thanks to progressives, there are now far far more women that would make outstanding wives, than there are men, who would make outstanding husbands. That's the end result of progressive ideas. So by advantaging women over men, we end up in the long run, creating hardship for women....a shortage of quality men. Men are being left behind on the good job category, as you pointed out. Yes, men suffer from this. But so do women, if they want a life partner. This hurts women: You put it well, when you said, "what my daughter is going through trying to find a decent marriage prospect among her white peers, who isn't earning something close to minimum wage." Exactly. Not much of a future, if your daughter's husband is on minimum wage. Hope it gets better, for your daughter.
At an intellectual level, the idea of experimenting with family structure seems interesting. As a parent, the last thing I would want is to have my family be the subject of any experiment.
Hi Jordan. It was an initial reaction not particularly well-voiced and I don't think I will bother her with unformed thought from someone outside her domain :) I had an initial reaction that experimentation was in some way intrusive to parenting, but of course, some experiments are based on gathering information from statistical representative samples and that's a completely different fish. Looking forward to attending your lecture in Tallinn in June. Hopefully I can put some alternative ideas to you about Jung's shadow self, about which I have spent quite a long time in contemplation.
"If you're a conservative at 20 you're heartless and a liberal at 40 you're brainless." Lol. But seriously, the deal is there are some things worth conserving, and there always things in need of improvement and change. The art and the creating point is where those meet. A skilled person knows what to keep and what to change, and for the most part you can't stop change and progress, it happens as a natural symptom of human activity so a lot of what we really have to do is hold the core and vital parts together and we will improve. Edit - Btw, I loved this talk, for some reason it rises very high above many. Also I agree with the other commenters on Sowell. He's amazing.
To all the understandable haters I want to say: Claire is in the east of Sydney. During lockdown I was in the deep West. To give you an idea of the social divide, I'm doing a Social Services course and ALL the potential work placement is not only in the West but in pretty much one suburb. And I mean ALL. Drugs, mental health, family violence, ethnic services, everything. Claire lives in a bubble. It's like apartheid. There is real, deep animosity between east and west (north too). Westies literally hate everyone else. On the day Claire was at the beach we had troops on the streets and helicopters circling overhead. In her area, the then premiere, who was pilloried by international media, is a hero. Still. People covered her office with flowers when she left. It's inconceivable to me. So bear this in mind. I like Claire but she lives in a bubble. That's not hyperbole. Sydney is not Melbourne, where I'm from. Sydney, in my experience is a nasty, greedy, incompetent place. Poorly designed, poorly maintained. No one likes people from Sydney. No one wants to go there for holidays. Everyone goes to Melbourne and for all its faults, everyone raves about it. These are facts. Just keep this context in mind. She is a product of her environment. She is insulated. Australia is very insular and naive. And she lives in a bubble on an island at the arse end of the world. She's intelligent but she's still human and I think she deserves a second chance and some leeway.
I'm impressed with how you touched on working in the food industry and service based jobs because I had a very similar experience working in fast food and later in a big box store. One of the things that became apparent at first is the callousness of people, if I ever thought before that apathy couldn't lead to rude or bad behavior my time there immediately extinguished it. But much to the guest's point I was extremely socially anxious before I took that job and after leaving it I at the very least could function in society without being so terrified of interaction as to be broken. Another thing that it did was it put a mirror in front of my own actions and interactions especially with individuals who aren't readily within my Dunbar's number group, I truly believe that you leave a service industry job in one of two states, either supremely jaded and unable to care for the average human or expressly capable of treating fellow humans as people even if you don't recognize them subconsciously as someone you have a connection to.
Dude, I just went through the exact same thing, coming out of a cooking job for over a year. I feel the heat of the kitchen brings out both the best and the worst of people, but I definitely grew to be more resilient. I learnt to be less anxious about what people around me think of me and keep a single minded focus on the job at hand. Also to add to your point at the end, I feel a little bit of both. I'm definitely exhausted and couldn't care less for the people I worked with, even the ones I got along with, but I also feel that I'm more understanding of their struggles and why they act in a certain way, whether positively or negatively towards me and I was especially good at training new employees since I can understand and sympathize with who they are and their way of adapting to this environment. It's just that, at the end of the day, I recognize there's no point in trying too hard to figure these people out since I could barely figure out myself and my own life anyway. P/S: your point at the end was really well put and it helped me understand a great deal about they way I'm changing as a person, thank you!
@@JungleLoveOeOeO I hate to say this, but this is the truth. In general, women will defer to authority, particularly in stressful times. And NO, not every single woman on earth, but most of them.
How you replace institutions that are toxic or flawed is the same way that mobile phones replaced the phone on the wall. The same way a dish washer replaced going down to the creek. If you have to force or compel meaningful and productive change it won't be meaningful or productive. Great, and I mean great by good and on a large scale, change is not done by making the other guy change through force. In therapy the degree that you force the body or the mind to do something it is not ready for you break it or you get a lie of submission, 2 days of compliance and then you are back at it! I enjoy these conversations.
As a Cuban (living in Toronto), born during the Cold War, and under a Leftwing authoritarian government (the Castro's), it is really shocking to me seeing the enormous lack of information people have in Canada about the crimes of the Communist systems for decades and decades systematically. It is like that part of history does not exist, that the millions of dead never happened in Russia, China, Corea, Cuba, etc. until more recently in Venezuela. When I see what is happening nowadays in NothAmerica and its little by little left indoctrination, I feel I actually came from the future and I try to say "be careful, be careful, the wolf is there", but people keep marching happily toward destruction.
@@williammentink Yes, I have heard that argument since I was born in Cuba. But one after another left government falls into the same hell when that path is taken. It is like the abusive husband, always asking his wife for a second chance... "I will change my love..." A stone always will be a stone. It is nature.
As an older woman, my youngest children are best protected by my being alone, without a partner. But it's much lonelier. I rely upon my sisters. I love Quillette. It's got some great voices.
This started out with a wonderful quote that will probably be ignored. "If you actually believe that merit is distributed throughout all human populations..., then why not just choose on merit." The answer to that by the way is, merit is not evenly distributed throughout all human populations and even the people who pretend to believe don't really.
There are too many variables for "even" distribution, but the reality is that any contrived effort to correct the "problem" (if it even is one) of unevenness establishes a far far greater problem. It's like giving a patient a lethal toxin to cure a cold and trying to claim credit for curing the cold while being dismissive about the corpse that is left from the person that was.
@@carriecanatsey6809 I have my own list of rules of life. #1 - Life is Not Fair. #2 - I / You are Not entitled to anything good in life. #3 - Where there is life, there is hope. #3 is meaningless until #1 and #2 are accepted, at least in principle. So many personal issues in life are a result of self-imposed misery derived by rejecting rule #1 and #2. That is why so many people exemplify what amounts to a basically hopeless existence. Ironic but true.
@@paulrevere2379 Those I hope are obvious to anyone. It is sad that most people obviously do not get out of mainstream thought, and end up in rhetorical blathering. You have to peel it back and ruminate, or you miss the meaning of most things. I think most people would just rather be distracted and blind. As I look around and talk to people, that is a big common theme. The drug use and abuse , pharma and street, are going to continue to increase as people look for an escape from this madness. Most people are not built to deal with this much pressure and confusion and fear. That fact is being highly exploited.
1:21:00 Trolley problem. The problem is that letting the child cry leads to the mother and the child dying and everyone else. So it's not a choice of protecting the child and letting others die.
Why do people use terms like “lived experience”? It seems disingenuous to me. All experiences must be lived. It is though they’re trying to trick listeners into thinking that a particular experience has more authenticity. I’m always suspicious of people who say things in the undercurrent.
You may want to consider this: lots of people have notions of experiences and lack the actual experience. That is the plight of every young person. Most all of their knowledge is assumed. They have not lived enough to have much experience. They have tons of ideas without grounding, and are prone to follow ridiculous ideologies. The Progressives believe kids can make decisions like adults. They think 16 year old children should vote. Lived experience is a big difference from assumed knowledge of experience. And with as much parental coddling the last 40 years, there are adults 40 years down to 18 years old who have little adult life experience.
And supported the Australian COVID camps, and went after Dave Rubin via Cathy Young when they perceived Dave becoming too Trump-tolerant. I'm done with these academic elitists. If Claire can't see past her own ego, then she has no grounds to contribute to global discussions on topics of societal improvement via individual liberty and advancement.
I had no idea who she was before this video but after reading the comments I now have a better overall understanding. Too bad it all comes down to politics because she seems like a decent person?
@@tomgreene2282 She was for example: an apologist for the Australian totalitarian state, and labelled those resistant to the "hivemind" as either autistic, highly disagreeable and/or a loner. i.e. Another fool who treats civil liberties as optional.
I don't see any religion matter discussed in this talk. But, if only her conciousness and understanding allows her to see the reality of things, then she's great. Bravo👏
I’m seeing a lot of criticism of her in comments. Can you either tell me what to google that explains this or a brief history on why she’s gained disfavor?
@@AshleyLebedev she supported the Australian governments over reaching COVID prevention measures, including Quarantine camps where people were held without due process.
@@AshleyLebedev She supported the quasi-Nazi lockdowns in certain parts of Australia due to Covid. I saw this video and I thought it was interesting that JBP has no issue talking to Claire Lehmann, but he had an issue allowing Faith Goldy at an event she was already slated for when she did her job as a journalistic talking to white supremacists. And in case I have to say this because the arbitrary parts of me are worth more than the argument I present, I'm black. I'm first generation and born in the US to Nigerian parents.
@@stonewalljak3869 She called anyone with apprehension about the vaccine “anti-vaxx” and mocked them. Having experienced a vaccine injury after my second shot, I lost all respect for her as she kept doubling down on her cruel mockery and name calling as she cheered on the unvaccinated being locked up and villanized. I don’t recognize her as the person I knew her to be pre-Covid.
@@ew8311 I'm sorry to hear that you had a vaccine injury. I can't imagine it was easy listening to media outlets spew their fear mongering, authoritarian propaganda. People like Claire are cowards. "Those who trade freedom for safety deserve neither and will lose both" - Benjamin Franklin
I applaud Jordan for having Claire on. I disagree with almost every single take she’s had around covid and lockdown ; that said, just because you disagree with someone doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have dialogue with them. What she has done with Quillette initially has been a positive net benefit for the world. Its cool to hear her actually speak rather than just read some tweets.
Maybe if she'd spent more time engaging in respectful real-time dialogue with others instead of unhinged Twitter wars throughout the entire Covid debacle, Quillette's traffic would still be growing and not in terminal decline...
I used to follow her on Instagram where she kept posting pictures of her looks and her body, especially in bikinnis, with comments like "hello haters". That was incredibly revealing for who she really was. Because she is good looking, she looks great in a bikinni, she meets all the standards for being beautiful and 'hot'. But to use that as your come-back against criticism - and let's be clear she was not doing it out of irony but with a straight face, and repeatedly so - means you have no come back, that you are thin skinned and you cannot contest interrogation without resorting to high school 'weapons' of looks versus anything of substance. What a failure.
@@donello430 and those Instagram posts undermine those very responses. Like I said, they were done with a 'straight face' and she took those photos seriously and for that reason. That unfortunately taints any rational response.
@@kuntanay2627 It's not a prejudice, it's a post-judgement made after her writing output over the past two years. And I don't cater to demands of obvious pissants like you, so shove it up your behind and learn to address people with politeness in the future.
@@kuntanay2627 Because I'm not jumping to your tune? I answered your question and corrected your negative assumption. I didn't swear once, other than a very mild insult. Justify why I should give more than 10 seconds of my time to some random impolite person on youtube, who gets 3 things wrong in two sentences. Justify it fully, in specifics. Write me three paragraphs and total around 350 words. Then we'll talk.
If you substitute Claire’s view on authoritarian actions with the concept of yogurt, and then think of Claire as the lid of that yogurt pot, then understand that she actually is the heavy yogurt that sticks to the lid and it all kind of makes sense.
Another view of the ' choice about smothering the baby to save all the other people in the attic' dilemma is, for one thing, this:- ...... Consideration that the nazis would also harm the baby if they hear and find all the people who are hiding, and that harming would be likely to be far worse and ordeal than if the mother smothered her baby, The mother obviously do this in the most compassionate, careful, loving way possible, through all her tears. There's the other dilemma in a similar situation, that is well known, of the choice faced by a mother in a concentration camp, to choose between one of her two children as to which one will stay with the mother, and which be killed (I believe the is the detail for the horrific choice). I have not heard anyone suggest that it might be a choice that the children both go together, rather than one alone. It would all depend on the exact circumstances I guess, such as the ages, strength, closeness of the children etc; and also depend on how horrific the exact circumstances of choice were. In this suggested choice, the crumb of comfort is that the mother takes on the whole of the horror of guilt , regret and responsibility, and the children at least have the crumb of comfort of being together at the last (though, of-course, with nazi, such a comfort would not be in the least guaranteed). Mothers have faced such horrific choices down through the ages. I feel that these things ar not talked of enough. Folks hide from such terrible thoughts.
I’m a step parent and I’d die for my kids. I never forced my authority on them or perused a relationship with them. Rather I allowed us to grow together over the last 10 years. They trust me, because I trust them , I may not always treat them as adults or equals as they have much to learn and grow as people. But I do treat them as human beings. They often astound me.
Thank you for this talk. These are things that routinely come to my mind but don't feel I have a place to discuss them without being given a harsh label.
I also add my plea to JBP, “Please interview Thomas Sowell.” You, and professors Sowell, Haidt, and Hicks are the most important intellectuals of my life.
These people are afraid of real equality. The idea that we would be living in 'the rubble' together scares the crap out of these people.. Why? Because deep down they realise that they are parasites that wouldn't be tolerated in a real equal society. Today they are the esteemed educators and thinkers. In this scenario they become worthless welfare recipients as they poses no real skill set. The real question is what do these people provide in such a situation. As a farmer I'd be happy to "pay" for Jordan Petterson's wisdom in this new society. The overweight blue haired SJW? Not a chance.
Claire, I feel like I see your honesty. For the cynic that is me, it is difficult to have the idea that I truly see someone's heart. To steal a phrase, 'stay golden', because that light is beautiful to see. Best wishes.
Awesome episode! Claire Lehmann was an awesome guest. What a treat that conversation was. Super interesting, but somewhat scary considering how far left and how far right people are drifting. We need more middle ground people and media outlets like Quillette.
The thing about the Floyd video is that they didn't show him refusing police orders to sit in the squad car and saying "I can't breathe" MULTIPLE TIMES before ever being put on the ground.
I'm going to join the faction of voices calling for an interview with Thomas Sowell. We likely do not have much time left with him. And a conversation between two brilliant minds like yours and Sowell's would be a gift to the world that would keep on giving long after Sowell's days.
YES PLEASE THOMAS SOWELL NOW ( Sorry for Screaming but We need this )
This would be awesome
Was just thinking about that today, actually. Would be an interesting conversation.
Yes please.
Agreed 100%
"Economics is not the study of intentions, it is the study of outcomes." - Thomas Sowell
Could we see Professor Sowell on JPs podcast?
@@adamroberts9962 oh, God, yes. Make this happen!
@@M0rmagil A few hundred thousand thumbs up and JP will make it happen.
If we could get Sowell and Peterson together, it will help to cement that there’s no scalable way to get equity or equality of outcome in any natural sample size population, especially not under socialism or communism. The patterns of moral authoritarianism under the smiling guise of populism, (False populism), are well documented.
All science is the study of outcomes. Engineering is the application of intent to scientific knowledge.
PLEASE have Thomas Sowell on, it would be THE interview we need !
Unfortunately, Thomas has retired from public life.
@@eccehomer8182 oh i had no idea, that’s unfortunate
@@ethimself5064 there are many channels dedicated to curating his past appearances into great videos, but I don't think he or his assistants actually produce anything on his behalf. Hopefully Hoover (his think tank) will surprise us with something new in the future! We can dream. Knowing Sowell, he could well have another book in the works 🙏🏾
Is he retired though? I know he stopped producing weekly columns but who knows? He may be up for a chat :)
@@alleadonai he's still a senior fellow at Hoover, so yes, not fully retired! Maybe he will show up :)
Please have Thomas Sowell, before it’s too late, he’s a national treasure
I agree this would be amazing. @ing him on twitter might make him see this. Doubt he will here.
@Anya Wale everyone with their opinions I guess, still love to you madam
Sowell, like his peer Walter Williams, blew it on the Iraq War unfortunately.
Jordan has said he tried, but it isnt possible. I believe its because Sowell is very elderly and has some mental deterioration.
@Anya Wale in what way ? Pls share.. thanks
Please, have Dr Thomas Sowell before its too late for us. We need to have this conversation.
I wish I had more upvotes to give. This lady is an ACTUAL fascist.
That would be a dream!
@@cxa011500 he did but there’s always a possibility
he doesn't really do interviews anymore. I think he's in his 90s.
Jordan has stated before that it's not going to happen.
Wasn’t she the one who was in favor of these vaccine mandates, and the authorities cracking down on the unvaccinated, free thinking my ass
Yes. It didnt affect her, so therefore it wasn't a problem so why were people complaining about the banning of free speech, imprisonment of protesters, etc.
Yes, she was, and she attacked people who were actually standing up to wokeness while she did nothing. She's an authoritarian and a disappointment.
Yes, which is why I’m skipping this interview altogether.
@@jetnavigator 1:20:50 this is where she essentially says what you said of her. She would be willing to allow it to harm others so long as it doesn’t harm her family.
@@mansiondave23 That’s everyone. What you gonna do? Go against every issue? Not buy stuff made in China ? Not use phone produce by underpaid foreign worker? You basically using a platform selling you data, why not against that?Everyone has a limit how much stuff they can care, nothing wrong with that.
I don't want to hear from Lehmann what so ever. She was in full support of these authoritarian measures that Australia subjected its citizens too. She has been exposed and eventually she will no longer be accepted within anti-authoritarian/libertarian circles.
@@Ralph_Baric_PhD_C2019 Probably more like Marx’ brothers, no?!
Quilette accepts funding from, and has been co-opted by the authoritarian military corporate apparatus. Constantly apologizes for overt war crimes committed by the West. Constantly apologies for extreme authoritarian measures that profit pharmaceutical companies.
I have zero respect for anyone who supports stuff like coronamagic nonsense. They're the fear-porn advocates, assisting the state in persecuting people to the point they can't think straight.
I have zero respect for anyone who supports stuff like coronamagic nonsense. They're the fear-porn advocates, assisting the state in persecuting people to the point they can't think straight.
I so appreciate Jordan’s comment 6:27 about people who have not been able to finish a higher education being intelligent and interesting. And the discussion about depression after 14:00 I found deeply interesting. Jordan is that type of uncle that would always have that truthful advice I needed to hear growing up.
Ha, for sure 😊
Trust me i work in large scale commercial construction and i know guys who failed at college who are highly intelligent. Plenty of super interesting ppl who have lived amazing lives. People who think you should stay in your lane and you cant learn from "lower education" people are naive. Ive learned from all people. Only unintelligent ppl think they are smarest or cant learn from others. Challenge your comfort zone thats the real thing to honor
I found it interesting he followed that with a self referential story about his experience w a prankster in a restaurant but thought it was at first an establishment of commonality but wonder if it wasn't so much of a statement or rather a question or gauge of authenticity or listening.
Rather it seemed glossed over
The idea that higher education is a kind of manners is well observed. Autodidacts avoid the bear traps academia surrounds itself with. I recall the first class of an MA where blue collar me thought the lecturer's questions were genuine, not rhetorical. I hadn't realised the question was posed to illustrate there was only one correct answer, and the tutor would lead us from ignorance - of a subject I knew more than he did.
Tim pool let her have it after she supported aussie camps. And it was glorious
It's difficult to understand these camps. The idea of quarantine is sound but what is not sound is the exploitation of the concept of quarantine. Stupid politicians are using 'camps' to exploit the feeble minded into believing that they care that politicians care about them the people thus they can just lock up anyone that disagrees with their politics under the guise of quarantine. But dont forget that immigration can kill and Australia is an island and if it was a true out break than the quarantine makes sense. All this is because of bent politicians and mainstream media. Bring back President Trump for the free world just to get sanity back.🌿🙏
I don't know much of her, but I know what I have read (which isn't terribly much) of Quilette was the pieces I came across were rather well balanced. People in the centre, by definition of the Left moving further left are pushed the other way in an opposing view. In this interview, as Peterson did, she said she never considered herself a conservative in it's full. While I don't know her stand on Australian covid camps, I do know you don't have to agree 100% with someone to share a lot of commonality. By definition, all or none is a terrible stance to have in life or politics...by definition, it's polarizing.
@@P-PlaterinadollarGQ Peterson definitely saw what she wrote and yet he still went right on ahead on a very ironic interview. Peterson is one of the most erratic individuals out there when it comes to his own decisions. What he promulgates is extremely valuable though.
On the subject of Leftwing authoritarianism, there actually is one worthwhile book on the matter: 'Roots of Radicalism' by Rothmann and Lichter. The authors are trained in psychoanalysis and sometimes apply highly psychoanalytical frameworks to understand their subjects, but they nonetheless did a descent job at researching the student activist movements of the 1960s and arrived at a basic psychological profile of the Leftwing radical/authoritarian (having to do with often concealed aggressive impulses, a hunger for power, projection of this strong desire for power onto political opponents, and need to 'personalize' the external world into an extension of the self through political transformation). They also discussed the biased nature of the social sciences and how earlier portrayals of the student radical were heavily biased in favor of Leftist radicalism.
Rothmann's and Lichter's book touches upon some very controversial ground as well, but the authors felt like they had no other choice since according their estimates the majority of the student activist group leaders, protest organizers, and the supportive university faculty came from a certain ethnic minority. For this reason the authors took a brief overview of previous waves of radical Leftism in Central Europe, Eastern Europe, and America, documenting the extent to which Communist and Socialist parties in these places were led by members of this ethnic minority (figures ranging from 11% in the German SPD to 80% in the Hungarian Communism of Bela Kun). Thus, properly understanding Leftwing authoritarianism is not possible without examining this angle. The authors furthermore discussed how individuals of this ethnic background in Weimar Germany "created" a Leftwing intellectual movement dedicated to attacking the social norms of the German society and pushing for feminism, "sexual liberation" and such. They tied this to a larger phenomenon, spreading to America in the 1960s, of intellectuals of this ethnicity seeking to demonstrate the "sickness" of the society for the purpose of undermining it. These intellectuals, no matter how estranged from their ethnic heritage, often carried a deep aversion towards the Christian culture of the West, whose light-skinned recipients were all assumed to be evil antisemites and racists. It's a good reading, if you think you can handle such heavy facts and the psychoanalytical babble the authors occasionally engage in.
@@EddyLeeKhane I suspect either blacks or Jews.
Because if that's not it, I'm utterly confused about which "ethnicity" it could possibly be ^^
Ted Kaczynski actually had a fairly accurate take on leftwing radicals in his manifesto, Industrial Society and its Future. Yes he was the Unibomber and a lot of his writings are crazy, but his section on the "over-socialized" Left is worth reading. He was a university professor so he saw the activism first-hand.
way to try and pass off a legitimate, worthwhile piece of scholarship as a simplistic, worn out, cliched antisemitic screed.
Rothmann and Lichter weren't antisemites, and the Jewish ethnic heritage of Bolsheviks, anarchists, and "radical" intellectuals of all stripes from Marx to Freud to Einstein to Chomsky is not presented as teleological by the authors in the way that it is misrepresented here by you.
In other words: I see you Nazi.
@@gailhill8391 saying what?
@@EddyLeeKhane he's talking about Jews, of course. As if Karl Marx and Abbie Hoffman have anything in common.... much less have anything to do with Joseph Stalin or Norman Finkelstein.
Claire Lehman opines on authoritarianism, eh? Not much credibility left in that tank imo, given her recent sympathies with the draconian measures implemented by her government
Don't judge Australia by one moron Premier and Tuckers provocatoce coverage of it. Does not represent what was happening in Oz. Logic fallacy and a MAGA dude talking point I'm getting quite sick of. Low resolution thinking
@@bidhrohi12 should probably change your name to statist poet.
@@bidhrohi12 ahh i see. so authoritarianism is fine as long as its effective in its goals of "saving lives". cool cool cool. Too bad all that lockdown BS reduced mortality by a whopping 0.02% and based Florida man was just given a high mark for how it handled covid. whoops.
@@bidhrohi12 lol yeah by far most inflated
Numbers as well, not to mention the banning of using drugs that obviously work, and fauci the man who created all this having to try and cover his ass and denying people from getting early treatment all while democrats stuffed sick people into elderly homes for some damn reason. I guess you missed the lockdowns and masks likely did almost nothing?! See here in America we aren’t willing to give up freedoms for so called safety, I will love with dangerous freedom any day before I live in peaceful slavery
So that's why the downvotes? So childish...
People support "wrong" things/ measures all the time. That doesn't mean that everything they do is shit as well.
Take the good ideas and dis-regard the best ones.
Stop engaging in this "you did something bad in the past, so I will punish you for the sensible thing you're doing in the present"
As much as I value and cherish Dr. Peterson, this lady is part of the system; all in with lockdowns and mandates. She's not anti-authoritarian she IS authoritarian.
I was going to say... I listened to Tim Pool go into depth about this.
Claire is controlled opposition. Her dad's lawfirm is in deep with the WEF and great reset agenda, too.
How dumb is it that quite high IQ right wingers for the hill to die on have chosen vaccine mandates - guys, it’s just stupid
Peterson seems to be a deep thinker and quite the considered and introspective individual. I really appreciate his insights. That said... how best to compare him to Tim Pool?
Tim pool looks at the philosophy but emphasizes the importance of judging individuals based upon the actions they take.
Peterson isn't deeply in touch with the behaviors of many of the people he brings on so he often brings on guests that Tim would press far harder.
I've grown accustom to conducting a more indepth assessment of Petersons guests for this reason, as much as I respect the man, I don't believe he pushes back on his guests or has even done the research to know where to push back. It's not a critique of the man per say, more just that I don't think that's in his wheel house.
Edit: I'm sure the man is exceptionally perceptive as a world renowned clinical physiologist and can probably see through far more than he lets on.
totally agree - what a disappointment
Quillete had promise once. She lost the non partisanship a long time ago.
It shows there is one reply, but I can't see it. Now it ought to show two replies because I just commented.
People who think covid was fake and believed nonsense about vaccines now think quillette was on their side because they got the woke topic correct by accident
@Ambient Music: To make you feel better Can you elaborate a little? Just curious.
Claire Lehman is a disgusting authoritarian. Really nasty woman
@@bidhrohi12 The brand of partisanship we stand for is freedom for everyone. Which is non partisan in itself
I'll finish watching this... But I do wonder if Jordan will ask Claire about her excusal of Australis's tyrannic COVID measures. Cheerleading the "special quarantine camps". See y'all after...
sounds like a certain regime who had cattle cars and 'gas powered' showers.
@@MHLivestreams Ughhh. That's the type of thing I'd expect someone on twitter to say. As bad as the government reacted to covid and as much as their reach for control should be criticized, comparing it to the holocaust is just stupid. It just comes off as hyper-reactionary.
@@Tundra. Many people, if not all, at some point, have shown that they no longer are aware that to score a run you must first obtain first base.
@@steven5054 the "success" of a public health policy, is not a measure of its ethical correctness.
I'm sure you're familiar with the saying on the sacrificing liberty in the name of security/safety.
I would like to hear a discussion centered entirely around the concept of "safety" as a virtue and whether or not its current importance is related to the advancement of women into politics and business.
Safety as a virtue is a monstrous problem and people have a hard time talking about it because it seems so good.
Agree. Freerangekids = all kids before, when?, 1990? (Also, maybe, _still_ all outside of W.Europe/US…)
You just blew my mind! This connects so many dots at once.
When has "safety" ever been anything other than virtuous?
Most things that are actually "safe" are simply just being smart in your setup and execution.
Anytime "safety" comes from a source other than YOU, it is nothing more than a matter of control.
@@MH3GL Can you really not think of any situation where "safety" was used as an excuse for pettiness, cheapness, power tripping or resentment? I think anyone could list a few examples of this easily
Yep, I’ve been thinking this particularly over the last two years. Everyone keeps saying we need to be safe, but we’re building a prison and the worst thing about it is that we’re there ones that are asking (in some cases screaming) for the prison.
Perhaps back in 2018 she could have attained to this virtue she's purporting, but definitely not now. Not sure if it's ignorance or blindness - she represents a serious and deceptive part of the problem - but it's actually people like her that confound the general public, and allow the excuse and growth for establishment authoritarian positions. It's really remarkable to see the dissonance from someone that would likely preen to these virtues as they profess and excuse.
You mean that she weighed pros and cons of Covid zero policy, while being quite pragmatic and utilitarian in her approach, and basing her reasoning on what was back then on the table, she arrived at the conclusion that it is worth pursuing? Yeah who cares that she’s pro nation state, that she recognises group differences, liberal overreach on campuses - we can’t have an ally who was pro vaccine mandate and pro quarantine! FREEDOM!!111!!!!1!!1!1
Long live independent thinking - as long as you pass all of our litmus tests
context please
@@YashRaj-fm8sz I'm with you on this, here especially there needs to be some context for such claims.
@@YashRaj-fm8sz context: the last two years.
You won't get an understanding why from a YT reply. You will have to find out yourself.
Good luck.
I used to read every single article that Quillette published, until Claire showed total conformity and support for lockdowns, vaxx mandates, and criticizes anyone who questioned covid measures. Not to mention that poorly written hit piece on Bret Weinstein for showing interest in Ivermectin. I used to love the magazine and have a great deal of trust and respect for what they published. Since covid, I've lost a great deal of trust in the magazine and I'm only an occasional reader. Claire's embrace of government overreach was a real turn off.
How crazy is that as I'm listening to her talk about the dangers of unrelated adults around children...but trust big government. Really? Seriously?
To be wary of fellow citizens might be wise, but to be hyper-wary of others while trusting big government mandates is not, it's insanity.
100 percent!!! Glad you see her for who she truly is now.
,@@Stringz I pulled out completely the moment I sensed that she had become confident enough to allow her manipulation of complex articles to be noticed. Although this was pre-pandemic, I still may glance at the odd article.
Relax, you don't have to agree with everything she says.
@@Sal3600 very true, however when she talks about being on guard to left wing authoritarianism and has defended when it is on her doorstep, it is difficult to take her seriously.
Couldn’t have picked a better person to talk to about left-wing authoritarianism, she’s been the number 1 cheerleader for tyrannical government Covid-19 lockdowns in Australia for the last two years.
All I can say is being in a European country we swung from wave to wave and were always wearing masks...my Australian friends hardly even notices the pandemic. They were comparatively more free than us
@@DesertFernweh But most masks don't work and there has always been concerns around the COVID vaccine from the beginning. You would seriously prefer someone backing authoritarianism tendencies over legit skepticism?
@@DesertFernweh Face tampons do nothing
Well not only am I Australian, I live in Melbourne, which endured the harshest restrictions in the country. I will not soon forget what our state government has done over the last two years here.
And the Victorian Police are also an absolute disgrace, their reputation will be forever poisoned by their conduct during the Covid-19 hysteria.
@@warbler1984 some of us spent almost a year in lockdown. For nothing. Covid came anyway.
Listening to Jordan is truly a gift, and being able to access all of his content for free is absolutely priceless
I love Jordan as if I know him i person. I can hear his voice when I'm about to do something stupid and I hear his encouragement when I'm doing something good. I'm even reading the Bible and giving more respect to traditions. Rescuing the father from the dead.
@@lordvoldemort4242 Er... he's still just a human. Let's stop near-worshipping JP - he's having enough trouble with that himself ;)
Quillette was so promising at first
What happened?
@@iicalcipheriim Went full Covid-authoritarian.
A shame they didn't discuss Claire's views on Covid and the extreme authoritarian response in Australia.
No shame in my opinion. Are you not tired of hearing about it?
This was filmed in October 2021 before she displayed odd behavior on twitter regarding covid.
Claire is a good example of anti left wing authoritarianism to a degree... understood by her as an individual. Once the levels and root of the authoritarianism extends beyond the understanding you see the same individual in support of the very values once widely fought against.
It's the affect of scientism and the lens that gives to the rational mind concerned primarily with empiricism.
The deeper realms of the spiritual nature of our psychology and religious instincts hide left wing authoritarianism from the rational.
I was disappointed to see. Even JP has been slow to identify this Union of left wing authoritarianism expressed through vaccine mandates.
She should have been outraged at the degree of authoritarian actions by the Aussie government but the response to Covid amongst the populace has not been drastically different between the left and right from a citizen's perspective. A pandemic strikes fear in both sides. In general tho the right tends to be more independent and in control of their lives. Hence they want less authoritarian actions from the government in general.
Im from Germany. The Australian response to covid was quite harsh but ways more effective than here. Harder, but shorter and better for the overall outcome.
I left LA in '21, after 6 years living there, to explore the EU. I had had just absolutely enough of it and desperately needed inspiration, along with restored hope for humanity--and simply, for my own life. About two months later, in the middle of Croatia, I stopped off at the tiniest town of 100 people where there's a lone waterfall. This was no where near the coast or in any sense a touristy area, and not at all like the larger national parks. I walked out to the waterfall, off the path from the small road, and there on a tiny stone building, some rubble of the prior '91 Croatian war for indepedence, was graffiti: A.C.A.B. - complete with the periods, confirming it wasn't just some foreign word, but the abbreviation. My heart sank. "Here?! Even, here?!"
Two months later, walking around Turku, Finland, there's more ACAB graffiti on boards put up around some of the city's renovations, along with hammer and sickle and anarchy signs. I just couldn't believe it. Turku was one of the most serene, clean, and peaceful cities I have ever had the fortune to experience, and so I stayed there for three months. And, yet, even there. It's hard to imagine a better place where it's possible to live--perhaps, slightly warmer...anteeksi ;) It's been a year now, living overseas across Croatia, Finland, and the UK. In every place, I found amazing qualities, envied by myself, as an American. One host in Croatia, a working-class family, talked about excitement at the idea of Starbucks--something American, modern, a little self-indulgent luxury. The view from her home, on top of a hillside, with a clear view of the Adriatic and neighboring islands off Split, was absolutely breathtaking. The water and the air were so clean. I felt like she had a rich life, and told her when I left, that I hoped she never traded the view for a Starbucks.
The constancy of human-dissatisfaction, I found, was everywhere I went, no matter what good was there to be found. I set out from the US seeking perspective--real and lived, not through an IG filter--with no small part of me wishing to find a new home, somewhere else, somewhere 'better.' Now I'm making plans to settle back into the states--and make a home, a home worthy of all that is good, in spite of, and perhaps, *because* of the absolute mess that is American culture. That's my gd mess. Leaving for somewhere else can't be the solution; fixing what is ours has to be. Sisyphus had his rock, and that was enough. Let's imagine ourselves happy.
ᴛᵉˣţ𝄍✉𝑾𝒉𝔮ᴛᵗ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝 ✚𝟏𝟔𝟏𝟗𝟖𝟑𝟔𝟏𝟗𝟎𝟕✔
ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
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"Clean your room." basically. 😉 Who knows the USA that only the USA knows? I'm glad not all American tourists are insufferable gets. 👍
As a Croatian who left for the same reasons you describe and came to the same conclusions you describe, I found solace in your comment, though I am not ready to go back having made my life elsewhere. But you are right - it’s the same everywhere, with its advantages and drawbacks. We’re all human in the end. As for graffiti - it must have been some young rebellious tourist not appreciating public property, almost regardless of what the graffiti itself said. We can hope life teaches them with time that things are not so simple to fix and that there is not much courage in calling out a problem (which probably you don’t even have first experience of) without offering the potential solution. It’s easy to critique. However, I do believe it is good that people travel (despite the immaturity in destroying the surroundings) because I am convinced it broadens one’s horizons even if subtly and not immediately. As for Starbucks- it’s the advertising from the American TV we were all raised on and the lack of travel (due the to financial situation) and knowing people from different cultures and the absence of diverse thinking. Croatia is very homogenous. With lack of experience, people judge superficially. Hoping you find your place under the sun, Martina
@@blondscientist Happy to see your reply, Martina. Thanks for that perspective. Where did you explore?
@@eddiedreher7535 I lived 3 months in Iceland, 4 in Norway, coming and going to Spain (fluent in Spanish) frequently over the years but living now for 10 years in London, UK. Where in the States are you from? I find it so curious when people go to Croatia :) At the time I left, I felt no one out of Europe knew of it. Maybe it was just my (wrong) impression :)
What is she doing out of her quarantine camp?
Back behind the yellow line!
I’m pretty sure Tim pool heavily criticized quillet or at least one of their journalists for writing fluff pieces about the Australian covid camps. (Where people who were suspected of being in contact with an infected person were taken against their will) I think he even went so far as to call it outright propaganda.
I don’t live in Australia, so it’s entirely possible my interpretation of this is wrong. But I would like to see this point addressed.
Quillette was great as a David until it sided with Goliath. The support for mandates, shutdowns etc., lost trust in the young fragile brave magazine.
agreed
Not that young anymore anyway, probably looking to cash in at some point by not ruffling too many feathers, as is typical with most organizations that were once 'young, independent and dissident'.
@Ambient Music: To make you feel better I don't know if I can trust anyone that uses a geographic argument to make a statement on the merit of an individual.
@@frankysworld Australian citizens relinquished their right to own firearms didn't they? How about that as a valid geographic criticism?
@Ambient Music: To make you feel better we don't need to trust someone to vet their ideas. Either the ideas have merit or they don't, regardless of the person uttering them.
I live in a suburb of Portland, Oregon. My wife has lived in the PDX area for her entire life and is very outgoing and well loved and knows countless people all over the area. During the BLM riot period, which we haven't really entirely come out of yet (because the same people are in power and nothing has really changed), phone video clips got passed around, and private social media posts got passed around. I've done work for the department of corrections and so have some of my friends. My wife knows people who are married to policemen and people who own businesses downtown, and.. oh a lot of people. During the era launching riots, there were people who locked other people into buildings and set those buildings on fire. There were people who violently attacked groups who had just come to pray over the city and worship God, and these people verbally attacked random innocent bystanders, and threatened them without any provocation. There were people who drove along back roads and threw burning bottles of gas into brush and started such conflagrations that entire small towns were burned to the ground. A few of these people came forward, after they witnessed what they'd become a part of, and told police and others that they and the people they'd come in with weren't from Oregon at all. They weren't from the area. They were flown in and paid to do the things they were doing. They were receiving and passing along instructions from out of state. It was an orchestrated political event, paid for by people with a lot of money. There were murderers that video evidence could convict, who walked free because the D.A. wouldn't prosecute them. The refusal to prosecute criminals was so rampant that the Portland Emergency Response team, a police team that responds quickly when someone calls 911 saying they or their property are under violent attack (for example), quit. They all walked off their jobs, because nothing they did stuck, and the mainstream media and the D.A.'s office seemed to be entirely against them.
It is an undeniable fact, at this point, it is an inescapable conclusion, that there are incredibly amoral enemies of western civil society in general, active in the world, who have a lot of money and are willing to go as far as paying groups of thugs to commit arson and murder to achieve their ends, and they are able, somehow, to effectively pressure public officials.
ᴛᵉˣţ𝄍✉𝑾𝒉𝔮ᴛᵗ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝 ✚𝟏𝟔𝟏𝟗𝟖𝟑𝟔𝟏𝟗𝟎𝟕✔
ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ◦◦
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ᴡᴀᴛᴄʜɪɴɢ.,,
Pure gold at 43:xx: "[T]the thing about activism is that it's almost always predicated on the idea that you're right -- you're morally superior and you've identified the people who are wrong. To me that's one step away from mob and it's one step away from punishment. One of the things that makes me ashamed in relationship to the universities is that universities are pretty good at teaching young people that being an activist is a good thing. I'm not so sure at all that it's a good thing. I think it's pseudo responsibility. Especially because it always comes with the easy identification of just who the enemy is."
"It's the smallest number of people causing the most extreme amount of havoc"
Yes. This is what happens when you centralize power and control. A small number of extremists can spend a minimal amount of energy against the specific points of control, and achieve an extreme amount of influence.
ᴛᵉˣţ𝄍✉𝑾𝒉𝔮ᴛᵗ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝 ✚𝟏𝟔𝟏𝟗𝟖𝟑𝟔𝟏𝟗𝟎𝟕✔
ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ◦◦
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ᴡᴀᴛᴄʜɪɴɢ...
Pareto...
Quillette was interesting pre-pandemic, but Clair ran screaming to the extreme of hysterical maternal safetyism during COVID.
Exactly. It’s why women tend to vote for the welfare nanny state, unless they are religious and/or married.
She lost my attention then
Weird, this shows that there are more replies but when I click to read it was only showing one reply.
@@hekilleen i've been getting the same myself recently. people reply, i read it in notifications, but it isn't on screen. Sh@d0wb@nned.
So you just want to read people that agree with YOURS views on Covid?
How lucky I feel to be able to experience two very handsome and brilliant individuals in an exceptional conversation! Thank you so much
I’m old enough to Remember when Clair defended covid authoritarianism and the covid camps in Australia.
ᴛᵉˣţ𝄍✉𝑾𝒉𝔮ᴛᵗ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝 ✚𝟏𝟔𝟏𝟗𝟖𝟑𝟔𝟏𝟗𝟎𝟕✔
ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ◦◦.
I don't know Claire, this is the first time I listened to her and I like what I hear so far. Just remember some of the most staunch conservatives started out as liberals, some pretty hard-core liberals. I'm willing to give her room to grow.
@@stevefisher6746 Certain behaviors should not be forgotten, overlooked, or forgiven.
@@stevefisher6746 This was filmed in October 2021. A couple of months after that she did display odd behavior on twitter that seemed vastly different from what you see in this video.
@@Anonymous-nr6qb Please elaborate.
I really admired how Claire allowed authors on her site to post their experiences of transgenderism in their families and themselves, both pro and con and also mixed views. It was material found nowhere else. But the site has gradually deteriorated into squabbling matches of commentators with the majority who tend to uphold accepted (to them) opinions and bully those who don't. I used to read everything there but now I find little of interest, most is one-sided.
Exactly this. Quillette started strong but deteriorated into just another establishment rag a long time ago. I'm surprised anyone pays any attention to them anymore, especially someone like Peterson.
Don't you find the same in almost every popular/mainstream platform. I deleted all forms of social media some years ago except reddit because I actually liked some of the conversation there but today all I see from 90% of the top comments is point scoring/finger pointing/soap opera blame games. Nobody actually wants to have open discussions right now, even more so from the so called left in which I associated myself with since a young teenager. I would still call my views somewhat socialistic although for personal development I definitely see the handicaps in socialistic movements. My main socialistic stance is that we are all humans on one planet and there are far too many suffering literally to make others richer beyond comprehension.
As soon as you say anything that opposes another view you are instantly ridiculed, name called or pigeonholed into some derogatory category. I have slowly accepted that the general population will more or less blindly follow beliefs deep rooted from early stages in their life, attacking anyone who opposes them because it is easier to do that than consider their long standing opinion might be wrong. Add on the fact that said belief can be approved with hundreds of likes on a social media platform and you have a very very hard wall to break.
Thankfully I have found some good friends who share all sorts of opposing political views and I tend to just keep my discussions within those smaller circles. I think it would be extremely idealistic to ever expect a mass adopted platform to have sensible reasonable discussion on.
I have lost quite a bit of respect for Claire, based upon some of her social media takes on certain issues over the past couple years. Quillette is still worth reading, though.
That’s essentially what she was saying in this video, though not specifically on the trans issue; that a minority of these movements take over and garner support and turn into bullying mobs.
Jordan pointed out in the video that this interview was recorded in October 2021. And I agree with you in having noticed a difference in her online presence since the middle of last year. But in noticing a subtle difference I’ve started paying less attention to her because there’s too much craziness going on to allow too much extra in. But I recon I should look her up and see how things are going.
@@maafg4435 well, as one example-which may or may not bother you-I was disappointed in her enthusiasm for COVID vaccine mandates, and the way she happily derided people who were skeptical of such mandates as anti-vaxxers.
Even though we may distinguish ourselves as "right" and "left" wing, authoritarianism is part of the human temptation, whether you're left or right wing doesn't matter. I think a true authoritarian person, would "switch sides" when it suits him.
Without defining the terms right, left, conservative, liberal, or moderate precisely, the discussion is fairly pointless. The simplest and, IMO, most accurate scale is reflected in percent of government control needed for a given ideology. The left-most ideology, communism, requires 100% government control of everything. There have been no communist regimes where that wasn't the case. The opposite pole is logically anarchy or 0% government. Socialism is to the right of communism. Libertarianism is to the left of anarchy, and small government conservatism is to the left of libertarianism. Fill in the rest of the political spectrum, then look at history. All of the great authoritarian regimes of the last century have been communist or socialist. There have never been libertarian or small gov conservative authoritarians. The "right-wing authoritarians" Peterson mentions are Nazis, which were national socialists. They're right-wing only if you limit the political spectrum to Stalin's, in which there's left-wing communists and right-wing socialists. But that leaves out everything that's not Marxist and makes zero sense.
@@dickavery4212 fully agree.
“You know, penises are actually quite complex. It’s not that easy to take your arm and turn it into one.” The jabbing humor JBP. Made me laugh out loud as I trog through the work day.
Having brought up two daughters on my own. I appreciate that observation by Jordan about that simple thing of just having the other half to talk to, it is a big thing that is missing in a single parent family, it was hard.
On the other hand, Q's referrence to step parents, well fathers, and the danger they present. It would have been nice for them to point out that for every bad one there are thousands of men that have dedicated a large part of their lives bringing up others children. I have a step daughter now and I would do everything to protect her as I wouuld for my own.
I agree with you, that statement about stepdads bothered me too because I’ve seen a lot of amazing stepdads.
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ, ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴋᴀᴛʜʀʏɴ ʟɪɴᴄᴋ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
𝚃ᵉ𝚇ţ𝄍𝑾𝒉𝔮τ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝
±𝟭𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟴𝟯𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟬𝟳
ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ....
My partner was raised by a loving stepfather and great man, so I appreciate your message. My take when listening to this part of the discussion was that Jordan and Q were speaking directly about the likelihood of violence by stepfathers compared to biological fathers. It wasn't a discussion about whether or not stepfathers are good fathers, you know? To me, their discussion about love and the commitment required to raise a child (they were talking about conservative values, long term pair bonding, benefits of strong families) highlighted how single parents and step parents demonstrate a miraculous love that is above and beyond. God bless and all the best to you and your family
@@sorayahazel2059 that was simply on the topic of it going wrong. No one suggested it is entirely a bad thing to have step fathers.
Don’t take it as an attack on you Mick, or on any step-parents specifically. It’s a generalization based on statistics.
If you’re not adding to the statistics then you’re reducing them. And maybe in our lifetime, us step-parents will be statistically the better option. All we can do is do good works and hope for the best.
I’ve lost any respect I ever had for her. She showed her true colors by taking the side of the tyrannical Australian government. Just started watching this, but I’m not sure I want to watch the rest. I’ll think it over.
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ, ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴋᴀᴛʜʀʏɴ ʟɪɴᴄᴋ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
𝚃ᵉ𝚇ţ𝄍𝑾𝒉𝔮τ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝
±𝟭𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟴𝟯𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟬𝟳
ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ;
Give her a listen and see what happens
"tyrannical Australian government" said a person who has no idea what tyranny is. Mate go get a drink
@@pinang1 Not allowed to leave house, the government said no.
@@DeclanCC yeah sure. how is alternative universe
There's no principle behind what she says. She all lost all credibility as a voice for free speech during Covid. I don't get the sense that she has changed her opinion at all. She now comes off as just another grifter.
Fair enough, as Peterson would say. Claire Lehmann lost any authority she had on the freedom front during covid, but I'd give her a break considering how over the top the insanity went in Australia. It's testament to Jordan that he didn't bow down to Canadian authorities who were almost as wacko.
Keep in mind JP mentioned this podcast was recorded in Oct(2021-assuming) pretty sure lockdowns in Aussie were still in full effect. That being said, Im not trying to defend her character, I am curious to know her current position on lockdowns and covid tho. This podcast does very little to help her PR. If I were to be as generous as possible to her, I’d say she needed extra sleep, coffee or something to make her thoughts more clearer and precise and most importantly DEEPER. There’s very little exploration going in the the entire conversation and im 2/3 of the way through.
@@craigwillms61
It went over the top and she defended it and then attacked anyone who disagreed.
Nah, the time for breaks on this issue is over.
@@bidhrohi12 And Bidens principles are so above board?? He's actually verifiably destroying the country when all you had is Russia Russia Russia for 4 years. And we should listen to you?
The Canadian government was worse than Australia’s government during Covid-19, and I say that as an Australian furious at what has become of my country over the last two years.
Australia has both a federal government, and a number of state governments similarly to the USA. Most of more insane covid measures you’ve seen reported in the news and on social media we’re imposed by state governments, while the federal government stood feebly by and did nothing to reign them in.
Thomas Sowell deserves an interview!
What's with all these Thomas Sowell comments?
@@chris432t6 I don't really know, but I support it wholeheartedly nonetheless
@@chris432t6 You should probably watch the full vid. I noticed that they said the word like "consequences" and "trade-offs."
Quillette impressed me when they called out "Scientific"American as going eco-woke and thus dropping the scientific approach. Something we have seen in our work (environmental medicine) but that hardly anybody else seemed to notice... not so sure about the things we have heard here though.
Claire is crypto woke.
Can you elaborate what you are not so sure about?
Attacking institutions doesn't necessarily mean building new ones. Attacking flaws and sins in institutions doesn't have to destroy them, but can be about changing them for the better...replacing bad practices with better, real-world-proven practices. This was a very good discussion. Thank you. God bless you.
Claire showed hysterical conformity and fanatical support for lockdowns, vax mandates, and criticized anyone who questioned any covid measures. She lost my support.
I think it's inevitable that two people won't always agree on everything. I too disagree with her stance on the covid pandemic, but that isn't to say that she is still great and has worthy points. Limiting yourself of great minds simply because of one differential opinion is quite narrow minded.
I think this ultimately plays into our current cultures inability (for the most part) to have healthy debates and simply "agree to disagree." Ego is constantly getting in the way, competition has almost been ingrained into us, and unless you come out as 'right' at the end of the argument, respect is loss on both sides. I think it's intelligent and beautiful to respect defying opinions. This is the basis of a democracy; to speak your opinion, even it's wrong. As soon as you go shutting people down (or canceling them) because you don't agree, it is no longer a democracy.
@@77XTINA enforcing lockdowns to a fanatical level is not "a different oppinion" fuck off with that mentality
@@77XTINA That's all good and well but the pandemic is not really something we need an opinion on. People will just go along with whatever their governments put forward. It was government and media shills who created the pandemic for whatever reasons; incompetence, money, social change or all three which is most likely. What our countries have done is/was disgusting and completely irrational and unnecessary.
If someone can't see the problem from the beginning then they're not paying attention and therefore their opinion is not really worth anything and shouldn't be taken seriously. The problem is that the people who can't see the problems are the same people who make the rules and have informative platforms which millions of people consume.
I'm very political and I could see straight through the pandemic nonsense from the offset. Why? I follow the principles of Objectivism. I reject altruism and more importantly, I understand people and myself. I easily predicted all of the outcomes of the pandemic, even before many very well known and followed public speakers did. That's not to say that anyone who doesn't follow the principles I follow is a bad person or is alway wrong. I remembered some people talking about covid on Question Time a few months before lockdown. They were talking about a virus in China and as you may well know, a lot of the audience is hand-picked. Why were they talking about it? I looked into it. Based on the information, which was enough, I came to the conclusion that it was a fairly mild/moderate flu that will affect some people more than others but won't be a massive problem. I made a mistake myself in underestimating the stupidity and corruption in our societies.
I'm not a particularly smart person, I didn't go to University and I don't proclaim to know everything. However, when it comes to state control of our entire lives, the destruction of the economy (and therefore our livelihoods) and the pushing of pseudo-moralistic values and propaganda spouted from the mouths of vile hypocrites who will never suffer the consequences... It's not up for debate. It should never have happened. The people who have power today aren't always competent and they don't always know what they're talking about. They just read what someone who is "informed" has written and take it as gospel. Scientists are wrong all the time and they shouldn't be in control of our countries. That's what happened though. Large pharmaceutical companies and the government propaganda machine started rolling out the misinformation and raking in the cash for themselves as well as all the other very predictable outcomes.
In conclusion, why does her opinion or the opinion of her employees matter? They don't matter! Very few opinions matter when it comes to these things. So why are we taking it all on board and letting these people run everything? Altruism and the philosophies which reject reality and reason. We have to create a better society so that the people in general but most importantly those in charge aren't whimsical people and we'll be prosperous and see much better progress in all parts of human life and civilisation.
@@AtlasofInfo I think you might have misunderstood my viewpoint. I was saying that her stance on the covid pandemic doesn't matter. Especially in the context on this interview.. I didn't think it was necessary to discuss the current pandemic as that wasn't the focus of the discussion. And most importantly, regardless of her opinion on covid, it shouldn't disregard her intelligence as a whole and everything else she could offer on other topics.
I assume you watched this talk. Not focusing on the pandemic right now; do you think this was a worthwhile discussion?
@@77XTINA Apologies, I have strong opinions about the pandemic so I can get ahead of myself sometimes.
I understand what you were saying and it's of course a worthwhile discussion but when a person reverts to a completely authoritarian stand point, it brings into question the validity of their position on anything. If a person just outright trusts the government and media (given the history), then they're not very intelligent to start with and the pandemic was an appeal to emotion with abhorrent levels of propaganda being used. I would never change my entire belief system or outlook on life on a whim. She calls herself a "centrist" but where's the middle ground in supporting authoritarianism with no evidence or conflicting evidence? Something's not right with that. An intelligent person would question everything, including themselves and those around them.
Once Quillette got rid of open comments (some of the most fun after reading their non-mainstream pieces), I only visit on occasion as there's nobody I can discuss the with and I don't have the extra cash to subscribe to the numerous such forums.
Would be great if Quillette was what she claims it to be. Claire is 100% part of what's wrong with journalism right now. But cool story.....
Could you elaborate for us who know about JBP but not about her thing?
what is Claire wrong about? provide examples please
@@bingochoice she called anyone an anti-vaxxer if they were apprehensive or brought up potential adverse reactions to the vaxx, or the ethical concerns regarding forced-vaccination and government overreach. I got vaccinated as soon as it was available due my job. I was fine after my first shot, and then suffered severe neurological issues after my second. This opened my eyes to the risks of the vaccine, and of tyranny as my primary care doctor told me he was too afraid of the college of physicians and surgeons to give me an exemption once the requirement was 3 shots. Claire, and many like her, said concerns about vaccine safety are the result of conspiracy theories and those refusing should be locked up. She posted pics on Twitter of her sunbathing while mocking those who were locked away. It’s one thing to disagree. It’s another to mock and laugh at the pain and fear of others. I can’t respect her and see her as conceited and cruel. She lacked basic curiosity about what was going on, and basic empathy for those she disagreed with.
Clair is a technocrat verging on totalitarian. Especially when it comes to the cough.
Bashing the woke 🏳️🌈alphabet people was edgy in 2016. Today it is mainstream to feel pity for their indoctrination.
Today no one wants to discuss the elephant in the room. I hope Clair had her fourth 💉 she is so fond of forcing on others.
@@bingochoice Quillette publishes a lot of hit pieces attacking independent thinkers.
Looks personal.
"we could all be equal in the rubble" 00:08
I love this man!
I stopped listening to Claire Lehman after the pandemic started and she showed her true colors.
16:21 "with depressed and anxious people, they'll often avoid eye contact. They're trying to shield themselves from what they see as excessive evaluation" this explains my life
That's not the only reason why people avoid eye contact. Some are just good actors.
I never heard of this lady and maybe it is for a good reason.
You lucky devil!!!
I tend to agree.
While I appreciate you being willing to talk to anyone, I won't be watching this. If I wanted to be constantly lied to by an authoritarian, I'd turn on the news.
Choosing not to watch/listen to a long form talk because of pre-conceived idea's of who you think the person is is exactly the opposite thing of what Jordan Peterson teaches. It's the very reason why he himself is so misunderstood and why there is so much political tension.
I would therefor encourage all of us to watch this, even if you don't like the person. Whilst you might not agree with some of their values, they may have viewpoints which you have never thought of before / learn something from.
@@iamme788 It's not a preconceived idea. It's historical fact. She said what she said and made her points. She told us who she is. We don't have to guess.
@@iamme788 you're trying to sound reasonable and openminded, while being completely misinformed and ignorant. She has explicitly shown herself to be an authoritarian in her actions, despite her claim to fame being anti-authoritarianism. Listening to her talk about being anti-authoritarian talking points. That's not being openminded. It's wasting time being lied to by a blatant liar.
@@hjimenez26 Fair enough and thanks for the reply, appreciated.
@@Biggiiful Thanks for the reply. I'm not trying, I am reasonable and open minded. And your right, I'm completely misinformed and ignorant on so much.
My point is that choosing to flat out not watch something because of something that people have said in the past / present on one topic might mean that we loose out on the background of 'why' they feel like that - It might help us to understand. For this same reason we might also loose out on other interesting insights on other topics from people who clearly don't think like us.
I actually followed her on Twitter for a long time. She seemed to be reasonable and pro liberty. Until the pandemic. She went full authoritarian on the back mandates and Australian lockdowns. She has a blind spot to her authoritarian shadow.
Wanted to share that before I watch the video… I’m certainly open to hear what she has to say.
Not me. Not any more.
Listend to most of the talk before I looked at the comments. Many seem to point her questionable conduct out.
Many are not as tactful as yours though. I mean, I'm of the opinion to at least try to judge the present talk instead of her past conduct?
I'm happy that you wrote it as It startled me into looking back skeptically on their discussion. I should probably do this more often so as to not blindly take in a whole talk & not scrutinize if something's off about it. Thanks! ^^
Well its hypocritical to talk with JPB about the "left wing authoritarianism, when you support authoritarianism in your own country. I think it's right wing in that case but no clue about Australia other than the fact that they totally list it, outlawed encryption, total lockdown dystopia, every scary place. Follow Unheard or something rather than Quilette.
Its like woke authoritarianism is bad but "health" authoritarianism is great. She actually believes they do this to help people, I thought she was more intelligent than this.
Being an activist is only a good thing if there is responsibility in your activism. You don't get to go to s protest, burn down a car dealership, than go back to your dorm room to smoke dope and pat yourself on the back for how much you care. If you really care you'll volunteer as a big brother or sister, you'll volunteer to lead a youth group, you'll volunteer at a homeless shelter.
@@iamthe80s49 I wish I could take credit for it, but it's not my position. I was raised Catholic and one of the things that struck me was what Jesus detested more than anything else was those wouldn't walk their talk. He called them actors, the Greek word is hypocrite. Talk is cheap, if you don't live by what you preach you're a despicable human being.
Thank you for being a voice of reason in the darkness. Saved myself, and many others.
I spent years as an environmental activist trying to stop the last virgin forests from being cut down. You have to have people on the ground (more technically, in the trees) stopping something atrocious from happening while the legal system runs its course because the default is cut and run. It was a corrupt institution that permitted the logging in the first place, that same institution is not going to provide a moratorium for the interim. I think the same thing could be said about civil rights movement. I hear what you're saying about the modern social justice paradigm, but it's not fair to throw the baby out with the bathwater. People need to express themselves in public en mass. I would say the political activism promoted by lobbyists in Washington is far more problematic, corrupt institutions writing policy for corrupt institutions.
Before I take the time to listen to this entire interview, does Claire Lehmann ever acknowledge her role in supporting the authoritarian practices of the Australian government during the last two years?
Asking the important questions. After the way she's acted and the things she's said during COVID I'm not inclined to listen to her opinion on anything.
No. She doesn't.
@@markcollins2704 what’s the point of listening to this then? Sorry, Jordan, but Claire is an authoritarian and no one I want to listen to at all.
@@markcollins2704 Thanks for the heads up. You just saved me a lot of time
She's completely lost it sadly, I have no interest in listening to this hack
This convo is good on the surface for what it covered. BUT...that no questions or conversation covered Covid response, attitude, principles and results....is a failure...to plan, or a failure of courage. Claire is a Trudeau enthusiast in all she has cheered on against her fellow Aussies in the past 2 years, an apologist for all mandates, lockdowns, surveillance, police crack downs and abuse, including drones in her own city and around the country. A POV that she lost nothing on, as she didn't lose a cent in subjugating her fellows. THAT would have been an appropriate conversation topic, given JBPs vocal discussions re Canada.
Writing this episode off....
I’m mad at Lehman over the pandemic nonsense
Day 5 of asking to bring Thomas Sowell to the podcast .
Ditto
Peterson asked Sowell already, but Sowell declined due to ill health (bear in mind that he's now 91 years old). It's probably never going to happen, unfortunately.
@@StevenOBrien is that true?like Sowell would say 'show me the evidence' .lol
Just kidding..but it would be great to see them talking.🤞🏽
No, Wes Watson
What I misses was Jordan asking her why she and her outlet supported "quarantine-camps" in Australia.
I've listened to hundreds of JP podcasts, this one I find really fluid and just a joy listening to, a casual vibe, not trying to prove or press a point, thank you both for a lovely few hours!
Claire Lehmann is great example of how twitter is worthless platform and less you use the better. Her twitter takes are absolutely garbage, and it is often hilariously and verifiably wrong that probably did more damage to her publication's brand than helped.
Very true. Her little "gems" on covid were like watching someone with diarrhoea using a glass toilet. Also has she set up an OnlyFans yet or is she still just posting bikini pics?
I don't know her work, I just watched this, but she can use the English language and you can't so that would put you at a disadvantage in an argument.
@@stevenrichardson1843 You're almost as much of a grammar-nazi as she is a Covid-nazi.
@@stevenrichardson1843 petty criticism
@@stevenrichardson1843 if you support covid camps and forced vaccinations then you're totally in line with Claire.
I did my doctoral dissertation on the effects of the Like" button on help-seeking behavior, hypothesizing that a therapist perceived as "too social" would dissuade many from seeking their consultations. My findings convinced me to delete Facebook.
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ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
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*Dr. Peterson said he likes smart working class writers. C. Lehman said she hires such writers, they are a unique voice.*
One of them said newsrooms have been taken over, by the children of the upper classes. *I read in The Harvard Crimson, a stat:* the average Harvard student, comes from a family income 3X the American average. This explains a lot of the decline in the Democrat Party.
*In the Kennedy era* lots of Democrats came from the working class. Even the ones that went to Harvard. They had sympathy, since that's where their roots were. The Studs Terkel type. *Charles Murray had a similar insight in Coming Apart.* When smart women started going to university, this meant the upper classes tended to marry someone else, from the upper classes. This put a brake on class mobility.
The upper classes used to contain more folks, who originally were from the lower classes. No more. Upper class people are now a self-contained eco-system. *Funny the Woke Crowd are not aware of this. Oh wait...they are all upper class and upper class wannabees, reflecting the neurotic post-modernists, who have very limited interaction with the lower classes they pretend to understand.*
*This is solvable* by recognizing the importance of class in America, adjusting hiring requirements to be along class lines. But the upper class university system has largely become a system of inter-generational wealth transfer and nepotism, for the upper classes. Geography and where different sorts of people chose to live plays a large role. Liberal types like big cities, along the coast. Conservatives, smaller cities, not in the coast, so much. Guess where the vast majority of applicants to elite colleges are picked from? Liberal elite cities. The elite university system is a positive feedback loop of upper class privilege, tearing America apart. All this ends in elite disdain for most Americans, they don't understand. Contempt for voters is not a solid basis, for legitimacy for the ruling class.
*Donald Trump grew up rich.* But his dad made him work with plumbers and electricians a few summers in his youth. So what am I explaining? Why Trump got elected and Democrats turned into bad, bad people. The American upper classes are lacking in self-awareness.
@@gailhill8391 Nobody needs to go to college anymore, it’s a place for indoctrination and it’s been for decades. I don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@gailhill8391 Quotas for women?
One of the things that progressives get wrong, is about women. Are women an economically oppressed group? Depends on who they marry.
My sister Norma, like me, is from the working class. Norma never went to university, worked as a secretary. Yet she's worth millions. Happily retired, life of luxury. How did that happen? Norma married a successful lawyer. All his money, became hers.
My other sister Cheryl married a truck driver. Lower middle class poverty, all the way. His lack of money, became her lack of money.
The progressive fairy tale about the economic prospects of women and needing quotas doesn't take into account marriage. Young women from the upper classes are born into privilege, then go to university where they are trained to think of themselves as "oppressed". Yet white working class male truck drivers earning low wages from long hours, supposedly have "white male privilege". Most upper class liberal women, even the men, buy into this progressive fairy tale, even when their dad's a lawyer and mom's an accountant. I've seen it.
The privileged pretend they are oppressed, while looking down on the actual oppressed, as supposedly privileged. It's absurd. It's a feature of clown world.
Quotas for minorities? As Jesse Watters pointed out a couple days ago on Fox, he showed a chart comparing a variety of racial groups in America, how well different groups are doing, economically. Whites are economically in the middle. Not at the top. Black Americans are at the bottom economically, but Indian Americans from India are at the top, and Chinese, Japanese, Filipino Americans are more economically successful than white people as a whole. As are Nigerian Americans, curiously. They also earn more money, than whites.
This data puts into doubt, the whole progressive left wing agenda, their agenda includes at the very top of their to-do list, their desire to discriminate against white males in particular.
This inclination to go after white men, it comes out of their view of history, with white Christian males as being supposedly the villain of history, the bad guy, the source of all evil in the world.
I started noticing some of this long ago, in the late 1970s when I was in university. I picked up a library reference book full of official American government statistics.
(A Statistical Abstract of the United States)
I had many Chinese and Japanese friends at the time, so I was curious, how well Chinese and Japanese Americans were doing? Was racism holding them back? At first I was just another brain washed liberal. But the stats said: Even in the late 1970s/early 1980s these non-white groups were already economically outperforming whites, according to official U.S. gov't stats.
We've been lied to, for decades. The lies continue. But, some people are starting to tell truths.
Thanks.
@@gailhill8391 Good comment on white Christian men needing to go to college. I agree. I also agree with Dr. Peterson, who tells them to step up their game, be responsible. You're not wrong, about that.
A couple of mistakes by Woke progressives, added to this trend:
-Dr. Christina Hoff Sommers, a friend of Dr. Peterson wrote a book called The War on Boys. Basically, our elite decided decades ago, to make schools, more girl friendly. It was all about helping girls get ahead, not boys. They changed many things to encourage this trend. So did government. Progressives succeeded spectacularly. Girls are now vastly out-performing guys, in school. This is usually a good predictor of who will do well in life, economically. The Woke Progressives succeeded in their goal.
What progressive liberals forgot or ignored: Women choose which men to marry, based on how well men do in life. And women do the choosing, when it comes to sex and who to marry, far far more than men do. That's just nature. J. Peterson shed some light on this recently: Dr. Peterson talked to Dr. David Buss recently. Dr. Buss is the world's top evolutionary thinker, on human mating. Dr. Buss said women evolved to chose males, on the basis of how well males can help women, with resources. This makes sense, for women to do so. Also: Women evolved to marry across and up. That means women tend to only want men who are on their level economically, or higher than the women.
Practical example:
Female doctors mostly only marry male doctors, not male plumbers. But male doctors, will marry pretty women who work at Safeway. Or male doctors will gladly marry female doctors. Men don't care about female economic status. Women just think we do.
This female mating strategy makes sense and is reasonable for women to do this because: women get pregnant, invest heavily in offspring, so they need useful men around, to help them out. The opposite is not true. That's why men don't care about a woman's economic status. The reason: Men don't get pregnant. We don't need to do that.
Now think about this new progressive mating pattern, in regards to how we re-shaped school to favor girls, how we re-shaped government to advantage women over men, how progressive politics wants to advantage women over men. What effect does all this have, on women? Does it help women?
Most people think this always helps women, but I don't think so. For obvious reasons: This liberal pattern in the real world, it creates a shortage of available men, for the women to marry....because women now outcompete men. Thanks to progressives, there are now far far more women that would make outstanding wives, than there are men, who would make outstanding husbands. That's the end result of progressive ideas. So by advantaging women over men, we end up in the long run, creating hardship for women....a shortage of quality men.
Men are being left behind on the good job category, as you pointed out. Yes, men suffer from this. But so do women, if they want a life partner. This hurts women:
You put it well, when you said, "what my daughter is going through trying to find a decent marriage prospect among her white peers, who isn't earning something close to minimum wage."
Exactly. Not much of a future, if your daughter's husband is on minimum wage. Hope it gets better, for your daughter.
@@gailhill8391 thanks
@@gailhill8391 agreed
At an intellectual level, the idea of experimenting with family structure seems interesting. As a parent, the last thing I would want is to have my family be the subject of any experiment.
Hi Jordan. It was an initial reaction not particularly well-voiced and I don't think I will bother her with unformed thought from someone outside her domain :) I had an initial reaction that experimentation was in some way intrusive to parenting, but of course, some experiments are based on gathering information from statistical representative samples and that's a completely different fish.
Looking forward to attending your lecture in Tallinn in June. Hopefully I can put some alternative ideas to you about Jung's shadow self, about which I have spent quite a long time in contemplation.
Claire.... bless her duplicitous heart.
Confusius said; "Do not kill mosquito with canon"
That's the attitude we should have towards gender dysphoria
"If you're a conservative at 20 you're heartless and a liberal at 40 you're brainless." Lol. But seriously, the deal is there are some things worth conserving, and there always things in need of improvement and change. The art and the creating point is where those meet. A skilled person knows what to keep and what to change, and for the most part you can't stop change and progress, it happens as a natural symptom of human activity so a lot of what we really have to do is hold the core and vital parts together and we will improve. Edit - Btw, I loved this talk, for some reason it rises very high above many. Also I agree with the other commenters on Sowell. He's amazing.
To all the understandable haters I want to say: Claire is in the east of Sydney.
During lockdown I was in the deep West.
To give you an idea of the social divide, I'm doing a Social Services course and ALL the potential work placement is not only in the West but in pretty much one suburb. And I mean ALL.
Drugs, mental health, family violence, ethnic services, everything.
Claire lives in a bubble. It's like apartheid. There is real, deep animosity between east and west (north too).
Westies literally hate everyone else.
On the day Claire was at the beach we had troops on the streets and helicopters circling overhead.
In her area, the then premiere, who was pilloried by international media, is a hero. Still. People covered her office with flowers when she left.
It's inconceivable to me.
So bear this in mind. I like Claire but she lives in a bubble. That's not hyperbole.
Sydney is not Melbourne, where I'm from. Sydney, in my experience is a nasty, greedy, incompetent place. Poorly designed, poorly maintained.
No one likes people from Sydney. No one wants to go there for holidays.
Everyone goes to Melbourne and for all its faults, everyone raves about it. These are facts.
Just keep this context in mind. She is a product of her environment. She is insulated. Australia is very insular and naive. And she lives in a bubble on an island at the arse end of the world.
She's intelligent but she's still human and I think she deserves a second chance and some leeway.
Thomas Sowell needs to be your next guest.
I'm impressed with how you touched on working in the food industry and service based jobs because I had a very similar experience working in fast food and later in a big box store. One of the things that became apparent at first is the callousness of people, if I ever thought before that apathy couldn't lead to rude or bad behavior my time there immediately extinguished it. But much to the guest's point I was extremely socially anxious before I took that job and after leaving it I at the very least could function in society without being so terrified of interaction as to be broken. Another thing that it did was it put a mirror in front of my own actions and interactions especially with individuals who aren't readily within my Dunbar's number group, I truly believe that you leave a service industry job in one of two states, either supremely jaded and unable to care for the average human or expressly capable of treating fellow humans as people even if you don't recognize them subconsciously as someone you have a connection to.
Dude, I just went through the exact same thing, coming out of a cooking job for over a year. I feel the heat of the kitchen brings out both the best and the worst of people, but I definitely grew to be more resilient. I learnt to be less anxious about what people around me think of me and keep a single minded focus on the job at hand. Also to add to your point at the end, I feel a little bit of both. I'm definitely exhausted and couldn't care less for the people I worked with, even the ones I got along with, but I also feel that I'm more understanding of their struggles and why they act in a certain way, whether positively or negatively towards me and I was especially good at training new employees since I can understand and sympathize with who they are and their way of adapting to this environment. It's just that, at the end of the day, I recognize there's no point in trying too hard to figure these people out since I could barely figure out myself and my own life anyway.
P/S: your point at the end was really well put and it helped me understand a great deal about they way I'm changing as a person, thank you!
Delivery trucker in the foodservice industry here.. Great comment. Right on.
I didn't realize I had a similar experience in my 20's until I had read your comment. Thank you for sharing and I'm glad you didn't come out worse!
7:47 "Well, your room is clean." 🤣
Claire has really fallen from grace. She’s become a total authoritarian.
I noticed that too
@@JungleLoveOeOeO Interesting because most of the woke doing the most damage happen to be women.
Like most Jews with 3 passports
Uhhgg you ppl i swear to god.
@@JungleLoveOeOeO I hate to say this, but this is the truth. In general, women will defer to authority, particularly in stressful times. And NO, not every single woman on earth, but most of them.
How you replace institutions that are toxic or flawed is the same way that mobile phones replaced the phone on the wall. The same way a dish washer replaced going down to the creek. If you have to force or compel meaningful and productive change it won't be meaningful or productive. Great, and I mean great by good and on a large scale, change is not done by making the other guy change through force. In therapy the degree that you force the body or the mind to do something it is not ready for you break it or you get a lie of submission, 2 days of compliance and then you are back at it! I enjoy these conversations.
As a Cuban (living in Toronto), born during the Cold War, and under a Leftwing authoritarian government (the Castro's), it is really shocking to me seeing the enormous lack of information people have in Canada about the crimes of the Communist systems for decades and decades systematically. It is like that part of history does not exist, that the millions of dead never happened in Russia, China, Corea, Cuba, etc. until more recently in Venezuela. When I see what is happening nowadays in NothAmerica and its little by little left indoctrination, I feel I actually came from the future and I try to say "be careful, be careful, the wolf is there", but people keep marching happily toward destruction.
They'll just say, that it wasn't true Communist/Socialism, but when they take power they'll do it right this time.
Such blind arrogance.
@@williammentink Yes, I have heard that argument since I was born in Cuba. But one after another left government falls into the same hell when that path is taken. It is like the abusive husband, always asking his wife for a second chance... "I will change my love..." A stone always will be a stone. It is nature.
As an older woman, my youngest children are best protected by my being alone, without a partner. But it's much lonelier. I rely upon my sisters. I love Quillette. It's got some great voices.
ᴛᵉˣţ𝄍✉𝑾𝒉𝔮ᴛᵗ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝 ✚𝟏𝟔𝟏𝟗𝟖𝟑𝟔𝟏𝟗𝟎𝟕✔
ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ◦◦
This started out with a wonderful quote that will probably be ignored.
"If you actually believe that merit is distributed throughout all human populations..., then why not just choose on merit."
The answer to that by the way is, merit is not evenly distributed throughout all human populations and even the people who pretend to believe don't really.
There are too many variables for "even" distribution, but the reality is that any contrived effort to correct the "problem" (if it even is one) of unevenness establishes a far far greater problem. It's like giving a patient a lethal toxin to cure a cold and trying to claim credit for curing the cold while being dismissive about the corpse that is left from the person that was.
The stock answer for this is, of course, western civilization oppressing 'the Other'.
Best quote of the discussion, by far. Merit is the only fair way.
@@carriecanatsey6809 I have my own list of rules of life.
#1 - Life is Not Fair.
#2 - I / You are Not entitled to anything good in life.
#3 - Where there is life, there is hope.
#3 is meaningless until #1 and #2 are accepted, at least in principle. So many personal issues in life are a result of self-imposed misery derived by rejecting rule #1 and #2. That is why so many people exemplify what amounts to a basically hopeless existence. Ironic but true.
@@paulrevere2379 Those I hope are obvious to anyone. It is sad that most people obviously do not get out of mainstream thought, and end up in rhetorical blathering. You have to peel it back and ruminate, or you miss the meaning of most things. I think most people would just rather be distracted and blind. As I look around and talk to people, that is a big common theme. The drug use and abuse , pharma and street, are going to continue to increase as people look for an escape from this madness. Most people are not built to deal with this much pressure and confusion and fear. That fact is being highly exploited.
1:21:00 Trolley problem. The problem is that letting the child cry leads to the mother and the child dying and everyone else. So it's not a choice of protecting the child and letting others die.
Why do people use terms like “lived experience”? It seems disingenuous to me. All experiences must be lived. It is though they’re trying to trick listeners into thinking that a particular experience has more authenticity. I’m always suspicious of people who say things in the undercurrent.
You may want to consider this:
lots of people have notions of experiences and lack the actual experience. That is the plight of every young person. Most all of their knowledge is assumed. They have not lived enough to have much experience. They have tons of ideas without grounding, and are prone to follow ridiculous ideologies. The Progressives believe kids can make decisions like adults. They think 16 year old children should vote. Lived experience is a big difference from assumed knowledge of experience. And with as much parental coddling the last 40 years, there are adults 40 years down to 18 years old who have little adult life experience.
Correct.
She is so refreshingly honest and vulnerable.
Claire lost the plot when she started accusing Bret Weinstein of being an anti-vaxxer. She's over.
And supported the Australian COVID camps, and went after Dave Rubin via Cathy Young when they perceived Dave becoming too Trump-tolerant. I'm done with these academic elitists. If Claire can't see past her own ego, then she has no grounds to contribute to global discussions on topics of societal improvement via individual liberty and advancement.
She’s a horrible person through and through. One bad idea after another
This lady was 100% in the tank for the draconian lockdowns in Austria. I’m done with her.
Australia...
Yep she is truly evil
I choose not to watch this... because of Claire's abhorrent apologetics for Australia's totalitarian C-19 policies, etc.
I had no idea who she was before this video but after reading the comments I now have a better overall understanding.
Too bad it all comes down to politics because she seems like a decent person?
@@chris432t6 No decent person would have supported what happened in Australia
@@endofunk2174 What did they do?
@@tomgreene2282 She was for example:
an apologist for the Australian totalitarian state, and labelled those resistant to the "hivemind" as either autistic, highly disagreeable and/or a loner.
i.e. Another fool who treats civil liberties as optional.
so why are you here commenting then?
I don't see any religion matter discussed in this talk. But, if only her conciousness and understanding allows her to see the reality of things, then she's great.
Bravo👏
She’s been more of an Oliver Darcy, than much else, these last years.
I’m seeing a lot of criticism of her in comments. Can you either tell me what to google that explains this or a brief history on why she’s gained disfavor?
@@AshleyLebedev she supported the Australian governments over reaching COVID prevention measures, including Quarantine camps where people were held without due process.
@@AshleyLebedev She supported the quasi-Nazi lockdowns in certain parts of Australia due to Covid. I saw this video and I thought it was interesting that JBP has no issue talking to Claire Lehmann, but he had an issue allowing Faith Goldy at an event she was already slated for when she did her job as a journalistic talking to white supremacists. And in case I have to say this because the arbitrary parts of me are worth more than the argument I present, I'm black. I'm first generation and born in the US to Nigerian parents.
@@stonewalljak3869 She called anyone with apprehension about the vaccine “anti-vaxx” and mocked them. Having experienced a vaccine injury after my second shot, I lost all respect for her as she kept doubling down on her cruel mockery and name calling as she cheered on the unvaccinated being locked up and villanized. I don’t recognize her as the person I knew her to be pre-Covid.
@@ew8311 I'm sorry to hear that you had a vaccine injury. I can't imagine it was easy listening to media outlets spew their fear mongering, authoritarian propaganda. People like Claire are cowards. "Those who trade freedom for safety deserve neither and will lose both" - Benjamin Franklin
I applaud Jordan for having Claire on. I disagree with almost every single take she’s had around covid and lockdown ; that said, just because you disagree with someone doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have dialogue with them. What she has done with Quillette initially has been a positive net benefit for the world. Its cool to hear her actually speak rather than just read some tweets.
Maybe if she'd spent more time engaging in respectful real-time dialogue with others instead of unhinged Twitter wars throughout the entire Covid debacle, Quillette's traffic would still be growing and not in terminal decline...
The crooked pictures on the wall are a direct reflection of the state of her life.
I used to follow her on Instagram where she kept posting pictures of her looks and her body, especially in bikinnis, with comments like "hello haters". That was incredibly revealing for who she really was.
Because she is good looking, she looks great in a bikinni, she meets all the standards for being beautiful and 'hot'.
But to use that as your come-back against criticism - and let's be clear she was not doing it out of irony but with a straight face, and repeatedly so - means you have no come back, that you are thin skinned and you cannot contest interrogation without resorting to high school 'weapons' of looks versus anything of substance. What a failure.
Really? Dang, Now I really want to find her Instagram page.
@@triscat Lol wow that went right over your head.
@@gunsandcommissions which head?
Don't think this is fair. It's not like bikini pics are the ONLY response she's made. She's also addressed the criticisms directly and openly.
@@donello430 and those Instagram posts undermine those very responses. Like I said, they were done with a 'straight face' and she took those photos seriously and for that reason. That unfortunately taints any rational response.
I'm disinclined to listen to Claire at all, she has virtually zero credibility after the past two years.
Specify your disinclination or take back your prejudice. Be specific
@@kuntanay2627 It's not a prejudice, it's a post-judgement made after her writing output over the past two years. And I don't cater to demands of obvious pissants like you, so shove it up your behind and learn to address people with politeness in the future.
@@eleccystill not specific aaand swearing out of the blue. RED CARD
@@kuntanay2627 Because I'm not jumping to your tune? I answered your question and corrected your negative assumption. I didn't swear once, other than a very mild insult.
Justify why I should give more than 10 seconds of my time to some random impolite person on youtube, who gets 3 things wrong in two sentences. Justify it fully, in specifics. Write me three paragraphs and total around 350 words. Then we'll talk.
If you substitute Claire’s view on authoritarian actions with the concept of yogurt, and then think of Claire as the lid of that yogurt pot, then understand that she actually is the heavy yogurt that sticks to the lid and it all kind of makes sense.
What does that mean, I don't know who she is but she came across as pretty decent.
I don't exactly know what that means but I find it hilarious and I'm along for the ride.
@@cecilcharlesofficial She really seems to upset inarticulate loonies, I'm enjoying this for the same reason I think.
Another view of the ' choice about smothering the baby to save all the other people in the attic' dilemma is, for one thing, this:- ......
Consideration that the nazis would also harm the baby if they hear and find all the people who are hiding, and that harming would be likely to be far worse and ordeal than if the mother smothered her baby,
The mother obviously do this in the most compassionate, careful, loving way possible, through all her tears.
There's the other dilemma in a similar situation, that is well known, of the choice faced by a mother in a concentration camp, to choose between one of her two children as to which one will stay with the mother, and which be killed (I believe the is the detail for the horrific choice).
I have not heard anyone suggest that it might be a choice that the children both go together, rather than one alone.
It would all depend on the exact circumstances I guess, such as the ages, strength, closeness of the children etc; and also depend on how horrific the exact circumstances of choice were.
In this suggested choice, the crumb of comfort is that the mother takes on the whole of the horror of guilt , regret and responsibility, and the children at least have the crumb of comfort of being together at the last (though, of-course, with nazi, such a comfort would not be in the least guaranteed).
Mothers have faced such horrific choices down through the ages. I feel that these things ar not talked of enough. Folks hide from such terrible thoughts.
I’m a step parent and I’d die for my kids. I never forced my authority on them or perused a relationship with them. Rather I allowed us to grow together over the last 10 years. They trust me, because I trust them , I may not always treat them as adults or equals as they have much to learn and grow as people. But I do treat them as human beings. They often astound me.
Really enjoyed this.
Thank you both.
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ, ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴋᴀᴛʜʀʏɴ ʟɪɴᴄᴋ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
𝚃ᵉ𝚇ţ𝄍𝑾𝒉𝔮τ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝
±𝟭𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟴𝟯𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟬𝟳
ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ....
Thank you for this talk. These are things that routinely come to my mind but don't feel I have a place to discuss them without being given a harsh label.
At 4:20 she looks away and leans in while talking. That is what I call a "tell". I wouldn't buy a used car from her.
I also add my plea to JBP, “Please interview Thomas Sowell.” You, and professors Sowell, Haidt, and Hicks are the most important intellectuals of my life.
These people are afraid of real equality. The idea that we would be living in 'the rubble' together scares the crap out of these people.. Why? Because deep down they realise that they are parasites that wouldn't be tolerated in a real equal society. Today they are the esteemed educators and thinkers. In this scenario they become worthless welfare recipients as they poses no real skill set.
The real question is what do these people provide in such a situation. As a farmer I'd be happy to "pay" for Jordan Petterson's wisdom in this new society. The overweight blue haired SJW? Not a chance.
Claire, I feel like I see your honesty. For the cynic that is me, it is difficult to have the idea that I truly see someone's heart. To steal a phrase, 'stay golden', because that light is beautiful to see. Best wishes.
I wonder if Claire will ever apologize for her COVID panic.
Awesome episode! Claire Lehmann was an awesome guest. What a treat that conversation was. Super interesting, but somewhat scary considering how far left and how far right people are drifting. We need more middle ground people and media outlets like Quillette.
The thing about the Floyd video is that they didn't show him refusing police orders to sit in the squad car and saying "I can't breathe" MULTIPLE TIMES before ever being put on the ground.
not to mention he had 4 times a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.
I concur with the Thomas Sowell requests