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He'd just scream "NO!" at me when I did something wrong. I'm trying to compile a video of just LoMonaco yelling at me when I screwed up...which was often.
So many questions.... Warren, did he break down what he was doing? I'd be interested to know if it was ever more than "do it this way." If so, can you actually make a video and speak to his method. PLEASE post warm ups From what I hear, he is using a very high tongue arch on the acuti (singing more closed vowel). Did he formalize things so you knew how to "turn" things or develop a way of framing what he did? Its funny, while his followers love to downplay the use of "mask," to my ears, this is precisely what he demonstrates, and ends up sounding a lot like Fisichella in his rendition & key. I wonder if the result was as deafening. I had NEVER heard a voice so harmonically intense. It literally hurts to be within 10ft. Thank you very much for this clip. I know of no other tenor who'd do this. You are very brave to expose yourself this way. Blessings.
Oh, I don't know if I'd call it brave. I'm retired and just don't give a damn anymore! Besides, there are plenty of videos on UA-cam in which I don't embarrass myself quite so badly. Currently, I am searching through my old tapes...a LOT of old tapes...and will be digitizing all my lessons with LoMonaco.
"Its funny, while his followers love to downplay the use of "mask," to my ears, this is precisely what he demonstrates" TL;DR It's not downplayed, but pointed out that "mask" doesn't exist physiologically, and is a subjective feeling varying wildly between individuals, and to strive for it as an own goal hence highly contraproductive. My musings: I'm still waiting for someone to show me where the _mask_ is in an anatomy book ;) Some pelple claim it is stuff like sinuses in resonance, which are not plausible contributors to vocal tract resonance, with all the wobbly membranes = dampers. If one aims to get "some feeling there in the forehead", or even _imagines_ sound _placement,_ some mystical perception of the sound being or going somewhere, disaster seems almost guaranteed, as that has nothing to do with vocal tract anatomy and sound production. The perceived sound "location" - my speculation now to have _some_ explanation, as I know what people mean by it from experience - seems to be dependent on facial / head anatomy, and the part of the brain that sorts out where sounds are coming from based on the shape of the ears, their thus filtering and frequency-dependent phase shifting properties (that's how we get a sense that something is behind us, or up, even though ears are obviously more Left / Right discriminators). So, sounds we emit ourselves, especially with changing lip shapes for better "projection" etc, probably can cause all sorts of feelings where the sound is "placed" - but people do have different skull, skin etc features that probably changes these perceptions, just like the ear shapes do, for those signal processing "algorithms" in our heads - being tricked by phase shifting and low-pass filtering effects etc.
Jerome never had a following such as "tinkerwithstuff" comes in as a perfect caricature for an example, that comes, unfortunately, from a [unfortunate] student of Jerome's brother, Thomas, had and that created such idiotic behavior online. Though, this doesn't mean to be reprimanding of Thomas as the man can't be blamed when, posthumously, such a group emerged. I hope I'm not being completely out of place here. I didn't know Jerome, but he definitely seems to have been a light-hearted kind of guy, therefore, it wouldn't surprise me if he was somewhat tolerant of someone arguing for some impression of "sensing vibrations" a time or two, yet, it is most definitely not how he produced his own voice. Yet, being tolerant doesn't mean being an advocate.
@@PedroZamagna _" I hope I'm not being completely out of place here."_ It will remain hard to say until you try to actually make a point, as in, argument - and putting together coherent English sentences would be a good start, too. So, in summary, you don't have an argument against my claim that "mask" is a fuzzy & hence unhelpful concept, so you indulge in some sophistry & lecturing about "idiotic behavior" while you do nothing but fling insults like a monkey flings his excrements as a poor man's replacement for arguments. Bravo. You cannot logically defend your (from what I can tell - you're not actually saying much...) position that "any terminology goes" if it doesn't describe something reproducible, or that exists in the first place. This has nothing to do with "tolerance", but with being technically coherent instead of wishy-washy and arbitrary. "Tolerance" towards "2+2 might sometimes be 5, or maybe 2+2 could also be ...yoghurt" is uncalled for. You are clearly neither a technical person nor one who values accuracy or logic. (that is one thing I'm at odds with in the singer's world, in contrast to my day job in engineering - there is way _too much_ "tolerance" for woo woo, and it's no surprise to me that the vast majority of e.g. singing teaching endeavours end rather unsucessfully) As long as you can't explain why what I say is wrong, you are the one with idiotic behavior, even if the people who you flatter with that, do applaud you. Here is what Franco Corelli thought of "the mask": (he did attribute _certain_ effects to it, I wouldn't necessarily do that - but the bad results he alludes to are, in my estimation, _possible_ because mask can mean different things for different individuals) ua-cam.com/video/Qh3tsEQmy10/v-deo.html
@@tinkerwithstuff What I meant is that, I'd hope that I wasn't being sunk into the whole discussion by being completely out of touch for saying what Jerome's thoughts on "placement/mask" might have been. This is in no way an attempt to flatter anyone, if you think that, you can't even apprehend basic common sense and self-examination. Secondly, I'm not an advocate for mask and placement imagery, and, while "operarocks" clearly is, he did add to his opinion the argument that the ones who are not, and throw the LoMonaco surname around, are repulsively obnoxious; that, and only that, was what I also argued for. Yet, you were able to demonstrate how obnoxiously stuck up your own ass you are twice. I hope you don't waste your time on a third one. Pedro.
@@deadtenorssociety2973 I would truly appreciate hearing some more recordings of these lessons. They are very important documents. Thank you very much for sharing. It is very generous.
What a story, and heartbreaking to hear. Thank you, so much for sharing
Please upload some more lessons if you ever get the chance. These are incredibly important documents. Thank you for sharing.
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Amazing! Thank you!!! Do you have other lessons recordings ?
Yes...but I have to locate them.
@@deadtenorssociety2973 That is SO exciting!!!
I wonder if he also would pull your leg if you'd let a waving gesture with your hands slip by while singing?! Ha!
Thanks for the upload, Warren.
He'd just scream "NO!" at me when I did something wrong. I'm trying to compile a video of just LoMonaco yelling at me when I screwed up...which was often.
So many questions....
Warren, did he break down what he was doing? I'd be interested to know if it was ever more than "do it this way." If so, can you actually make a video and speak to his method. PLEASE post warm ups
From what I hear, he is using a very high tongue arch on the acuti (singing more closed vowel). Did he formalize things so you knew how to "turn" things or develop a way of framing what he did?
Its funny, while his followers love to downplay the use of "mask," to my ears, this is precisely what he demonstrates, and ends up sounding a lot like Fisichella in his rendition & key. I wonder if the result was as deafening. I had NEVER heard a voice so harmonically intense. It literally hurts to be within 10ft.
Thank you very much for this clip. I know of no other tenor who'd do this. You are very brave to expose yourself this way. Blessings.
Oh, I don't know if I'd call it brave. I'm retired and just don't give a damn anymore! Besides, there are plenty of videos on UA-cam in which I don't embarrass myself quite so badly. Currently, I am searching through my old tapes...a LOT of old tapes...and will be digitizing all my lessons with LoMonaco.
"Its funny, while his followers love to downplay the use of "mask," to my ears, this is precisely what he demonstrates"
TL;DR
It's not downplayed, but pointed out that "mask" doesn't exist physiologically, and is a subjective feeling varying wildly between individuals, and to strive for it as an own goal hence highly contraproductive.
My musings:
I'm still waiting for someone to show me where the _mask_ is in an anatomy book ;) Some pelple claim it is stuff like sinuses in resonance, which are not plausible contributors to vocal tract resonance, with all the wobbly membranes = dampers. If one aims to get "some feeling there in the forehead", or even _imagines_ sound _placement,_ some mystical perception of the sound being or going somewhere, disaster seems almost guaranteed, as that has nothing to do with vocal tract anatomy and sound production.
The perceived sound "location" - my speculation now to have _some_ explanation, as I know what people mean by it from experience - seems to be dependent on facial / head anatomy, and the part of the brain that sorts out where sounds are coming from based on the shape of the ears, their thus filtering and frequency-dependent phase shifting properties (that's how we get a sense that something is behind us, or up, even though ears are obviously more Left / Right discriminators).
So, sounds we emit ourselves, especially with changing lip shapes for better "projection" etc, probably can cause all sorts of feelings where the sound is "placed" - but people do have different skull, skin etc features that probably changes these perceptions, just like the ear shapes do, for those signal processing "algorithms" in our heads - being tricked by phase shifting and low-pass filtering effects etc.
Jerome never had a following such as "tinkerwithstuff" comes in as a perfect caricature for an example, that comes, unfortunately, from a [unfortunate] student of Jerome's brother, Thomas, had and that created such idiotic behavior online.
Though, this doesn't mean to be reprimanding of Thomas as the man can't be blamed when, posthumously, such a group emerged.
I hope I'm not being completely out of place here.
I didn't know Jerome, but he definitely seems to have been a light-hearted kind of guy, therefore, it wouldn't surprise me if he was somewhat tolerant of someone arguing for some impression of "sensing vibrations" a time or two, yet, it is most definitely not how he produced his own voice.
Yet, being tolerant doesn't mean being an advocate.
@@PedroZamagna _" I hope I'm not being completely out of place here."_
It will remain hard to say until you try to actually make a point, as in, argument - and putting together coherent English sentences would be a good start, too.
So, in summary, you don't have an argument against my claim that "mask" is a fuzzy & hence unhelpful concept, so you indulge in some sophistry & lecturing about "idiotic behavior" while you do nothing but fling insults like a monkey flings his excrements as a poor man's replacement for arguments.
Bravo.
You cannot logically defend your (from what I can tell - you're not actually saying much...) position that "any terminology goes" if it doesn't describe something reproducible, or that exists in the first place.
This has nothing to do with "tolerance", but with being technically coherent instead of wishy-washy and arbitrary.
"Tolerance" towards "2+2 might sometimes be 5, or maybe 2+2 could also be ...yoghurt" is uncalled for.
You are clearly neither a technical person nor one who values accuracy or logic. (that is one thing I'm at odds with in the singer's world, in contrast to my day job in engineering - there is way _too much_ "tolerance" for woo woo, and it's no surprise to me that the vast majority of e.g. singing teaching endeavours end rather unsucessfully)
As long as you can't explain why what I say is wrong, you are the one with idiotic behavior, even if the people who you flatter with that, do applaud you.
Here is what Franco Corelli thought of "the mask": (he did attribute _certain_ effects to it, I wouldn't necessarily do that - but the bad results he alludes to are, in my estimation, _possible_ because mask can mean different things for different individuals)
ua-cam.com/video/Qh3tsEQmy10/v-deo.html
@@tinkerwithstuff What I meant is that, I'd hope that I wasn't being sunk into the whole discussion by being completely out of touch for saying what Jerome's thoughts on "placement/mask" might have been. This is in no way an attempt to flatter anyone, if you think that, you can't even apprehend basic common sense and self-examination.
Secondly, I'm not an advocate for mask and placement imagery, and, while "operarocks" clearly is, he did add to his opinion the argument that the ones who are not, and throw the LoMonaco surname around, are repulsively obnoxious; that, and only that, was what I also argued for.
Yet, you were able to demonstrate how obnoxiously stuck up your own ass you are twice.
I hope you don't waste your time on a third one.
Pedro.
Do you have a recording of his warm up at all? I'd be interested to hear if so...
I have plenty of recordings of warmups. I just have to find them.
@@deadtenorssociety2973 I would truly appreciate hearing some more recordings of these lessons. They are very important documents. Thank you very much for sharing. It is very generous.