Watching this made me wonder where bad / contaminated / old refrigerant gasses go - and then what happens to them afterwards. A bit of an interesting rabbit hole to go down with some differing information in some internet forums. Surprised I've watched so many of your videos and just now wondered that... I agree with the other commenter that I'm not an HVAC/HVACR guy, but enjoy watching the troubleshooting process.
If you see a large black spider so shiny that it looks like it's made of patent leather, it's a black widow. You really don't need to see that red spot on its belly. ( and the surest way to get bitten is to flip it over to see if it has the red spot).
It's good that the compressor was under warranty for the customer, but unfortunate for us, I was hoping you would cut it apart to see what was causing the noise. Another great video, Thanks!
I think it would have been pointless because if it really is a faulty overpressure bypass valve, you won't be able to see anything. The scroll assembly is totally fine.
I think there could be a quality control and/or a design flaw issue. I’ve heard LG got a class action lawsuit back in 2020 for bad refrigerator compressors. It effected residential refrigerators only but it’s very possible due to past compressor quality control issues that a new wave of defective products exists. Both compressors you replaced were replaced for bad bypasses and the compressors looked pretty new. Coupled with the previous lawsuit, I suspect that a quality issue/design flaw exists with a certain model of scroll compressors. Check the date code and serial number for each compressor you pulled out of that system if possible at this point.
@@DocNo27 I know it was the linear compressor but I was pointing out that LG has a history of faulty products even if the compressor type was different. Plus 2 newer compressors with similar bypass issues coupled with the fact LG is known to have had issues with some of their products is grounds to suspect that there could be bad quality control or a design flaw from the manufacturer LG.
@@DocNo27 they have a bad reputation for ac compressors too. Not sure if they are as bad as the linear compressors, but it seems they do have a higher failure rate than other brands
Hey Chris. Ive been doing HVAC for about 14 years now, the past 10 has been mostly service and repairs. I just found your channel and I'm kind of addicted already! Like you said in your bio, we'll never EVER know everything with how this trade changes and evolves. And there's always better ways of going about the things we already know. You're good at what you do... Extremely good. Your knowledge and willingness to share that knowledge with other people is amazing! So thank you! Just replaced a TXV and Drier for a circuit on a 25Ton RTU and definitely plan on getting some of the VIPER products that you are using in this video. Ive had a lot of success with Refrig Techs other products as well. Thanks again for the awesome videos!
I have replaced two compressors in the last month stuck in bypass,as one LG and one Alliance. Interesting failure I have never personally seen in a Copeland. Nice work as always.
I always share your vids to my guys! I hope they watch them. I certainly have learned alot from you and I mainly do residential. Would love to get into more commercial and refrigeration.
Great brazing technique video. Thanks for showing so many joints all the way through at normal fps. I’d like to see how much of that wet rag you put back into the jar or if you discard some of the cooked stuff.
Muchas gracias por éstos grades consejos Chris. Admiro mucho tú humildad, y un gran gran trabajo. Saludos a todo tú equipo desde Coacalco estado de México.
Working on cars I would often run some hot water over or even lightly heat the dryer with a torch while recovering to help it boil off all the refrigerant if it started frosting up.
@@BensSightSoundandAuto As you know, you'll never get a perfect evacuation (especially not in a time-tight working environment on cars), so you can't get all the vapor out of the system. You'll make it harder for the new dryer (which also has to care about moisture in the new refrigerant, often it's not as dry as "new" might suggest) if you flush the system with water vapor. There are voices out there who say, if you can cut an old welded dryer out of a system then don't weld it out.
24:10 You should get (or have a Machinist Friend make) a small copper or brass tack-hammer (3/8 x 3/8 inch striking face) to gently tap stubborn pipes into place during Braising... Then there's less risk of burning your fingers pushing or giggling hot pipes...and the copper or brass face is malleable enough to not mar the copper pipes as you tap them...
i agree internal bypass is leaking by. i would isolate the compressor and valve down the discharge(if you can), and see if the noise changes. You can also use a small tube, one end goes to your ear the other end goes on the compressor to see if thats where your noise it coming from, an ear plug in the unused ear help as well
As soon as I heard that compressor noise I knew it was bypassing. Started up and serviced many of these RTUs. Lennox had their shiz together on this line.
Curious if you have had any issues with leaks around the brazed joints - I ask because throwing a “Wet towel on to cool it off” may result in the metallurgical process known as quenching instead of cooling - and quenched metal tends to be crystalline and brittle and will crack much more easily under vibration than the same metal which is allowed to cool slowly (slower cooling results in “annealing” which is not brittle
Brazing compressors, driers and sightglass and expansion valves are fun. Too short solder should be handled with a plier, so you don't burn Your fingers. But very nice of you to show that awsome part of the refrigeration work.
good sized western black widow there, i almost never get to see them outside of still images and drawings because the southern subspecies is so common.
So now that you have a larger dryer in and need an extra 4 oz of refrigerant, do you document this anywhere? Write it on the inside of the panel for the next person who checks the system?
The noice sounds awesome one should make a track out of it. My boss would have done really bad things to us if we didn't clean the filters 2-3 times a week
Absolutely right, Chris. You solder/braze the way you feel comfortable with. And use what amount you feel is best. Don’t let any armchair HVACR tech tell you don’t do it right, in their opinion. You know what they say about opinions, anyhow. And you know who I’m talking about… lol
Nice to see a bussines owner with so many goodies! My supervisor/owner refuses to embrace new technology, I wanted to attend one of the Simbio classes here in Texas and he said that he won't pay for the class or my time,sad to see people like that out there , Nice catch on that compressor 🍻
Possible poor heat exchange across evaporator? High air split temps, low back pressures. You mentioned possible bad ductwork. I really enjoy following you on your calls. Helps my old brain exercise a bit! Thanks for sharing!
I always think about this when purging for a compressor, Your coming in through the discharge line, how do you know you have flow through the compressor through both of your joints out of the suction joint to the shearer valve? Considering the reeds, they probably act like a check valve and don’t allow flow. I think it’s likely it’s skipping both of your joints it goes through the condenser coil then the evaporator then and out of the suction valve. Even if you purged from the suction side, how do you know it’s flowing through the compressor, through the reeds passed the joints? I would think the path of least resistance is still the coils. Something I always think about. Love the content Chris
You should hear the Racket My Refridge makes when it is running. I think it is the piston at the back of the Freezer compartment. NO it is not the Fan. I can disconnect it, Noise galore...
I was also very impressed and comfortable with the measure-quick app…until they made it virtually unusable by removing the ability to take screenshots. 😢 I get it they need to make money. But as I’m not a business owner I don’t have use for the premium features they are trying to push by removing this feature. I just need the screenshots to remember the numbers…As always Chris, thanks for all you do!
I enjoy watching your videos on my down time from work keep up the great work . Question what kind on valves are you using in line with the filter drier
My first thought was either a bad check valve or it’s bypassing. Then I realized that those are LG compressors, well no wonder they crapped out so soon! LG compressors aren’t exactly known for their quality or longevity. Lennox’s tend to be relatively bullet proof tanks otherwise, or at least they used to be.
If you turn the unit on at the thermostat and unit not on remove the thermostat and jump out y1 and y2 then you can see if it the cable broken or the thermostat.
if the buildings are cookie cutter why not add a nicer split unit with the supply on the ceiling because the walls are covered in equipment for the common office issue?
In the video it looks like youre using an oxidizing flame during the brazing portion. Im curious, is there a particular reason for this or is it a preference?
I have a question?well Not related to this video. What are the differences between normal compressor and inverter compressor? I know i can googled that, but think you explain it batter.
I will discuss this on my livestream this evening 11/11/24 @ 5:PM(pacific) on UA-cam, come on over and check it out ua-cam.com/users/livekgFN_y-zu1g?si=NDFZQQOraop9k0Cq
I'm not a HVAC technician, but why is it more common to have multiple circuits in commercial systems rather than one circuit with a big compressor controlled with a VFD for variable stage cooling?
I guess i you can use of the shelf bits it is easier to make and ajust sizing, and there is allso a redundancy factor to this. If 1 of 3 clmpressors crap out, it wont kill thd whole AC, and it is no so critical. If you have 1, and 1 brakes, you are out of luck.
Too much acetylene on you flame from your torch will reduce your heat and take longer to do the joint. You got it some where close once you put your rod to the joint on the compressor
If anyone ever made an HVACR Videos Bingo Card, "Customer doesn't do routine maintenance" would be the free space
That would be fun
"The condenser is a little dirty"
The hissing sound in the beginning 0:47 is coming from that huge spider in the bottom right.
I swear if I spotted a spider of that size something is getting wrecked. Lol
You call that huge?
You've obviously never seen a wolf spider
The biggest reason for why I couldn't do this job.
I'll bet they'll say "well you cleaned the return vent while you were here. So there's no reason for us to do it."
I happened upon your channel by chance, but I don’t regret it. I’m completely hooked by your videos and I have no hvacr experience whatsoever.
Watching this made me wonder where bad / contaminated / old refrigerant gasses go - and then what happens to them afterwards. A bit of an interesting rabbit hole to go down with some differing information in some internet forums. Surprised I've watched so many of your videos and just now wondered that...
I agree with the other commenter that I'm not an HVAC/HVACR guy, but enjoy watching the troubleshooting process.
Black Widows always look like a hand painted model with the glossiest black paint.
If you see a large black spider so shiny that it looks like it's made of patent leather, it's a black widow. You really don't need to see that red spot on its belly. ( and the surest way to get bitten is to flip it over to see if it has the red spot).
It's good that the compressor was under warranty for the customer, but unfortunate for us, I was hoping you would cut it apart to see what was causing the noise. Another great video, Thanks!
I think it would have been pointless because if it really is a faulty overpressure bypass valve, you won't be able to see anything. The scroll assembly is totally fine.
I think there could be a quality control and/or a design flaw issue. I’ve heard LG got a class action lawsuit back in 2020 for bad refrigerator compressors. It effected residential refrigerators only but it’s very possible due to past compressor quality control issues that a new wave of defective products exists. Both compressors you replaced were replaced for bad bypasses and the compressors looked pretty new. Coupled with the previous lawsuit, I suspect that a quality issue/design flaw exists with a certain model of scroll compressors. Check the date code and serial number for each compressor you pulled out of that system if possible at this point.
it was their linear, not scroll compressors, that had the flaws.
@@DocNo27 I know it was the linear compressor but I was pointing out that LG has a history of faulty products even if the compressor type was different. Plus 2 newer compressors with similar bypass issues coupled with the fact LG is known to have had issues with some of their products is grounds to suspect that there could be bad quality control or a design flaw from the manufacturer LG.
@@DocNo27 they have a bad reputation for ac compressors too. Not sure if they are as bad as the linear compressors, but it seems they do have a higher failure rate than other brands
Nice job I enjoy watching and learning.
Nice work Chris. Really like the addition of the ball valves. Thanks for sharing
Hey Chris. Ive been doing HVAC for about 14 years now, the past 10 has been mostly service and repairs. I just found your channel and I'm kind of addicted already! Like you said in your bio, we'll never EVER know everything with how this trade changes and evolves. And there's always better ways of going about the things we already know. You're good at what you do... Extremely good. Your knowledge and willingness to share that knowledge with other people is amazing! So thank you! Just replaced a TXV and Drier for a circuit on a 25Ton RTU and definitely plan on getting some of the VIPER products that you are using in this video. Ive had a lot of success with Refrig Techs other products as well. Thanks again for the awesome videos!
I have replaced two compressors in the last month stuck in bypass,as one LG and one Alliance. Interesting failure I have never personally seen in a Copeland. Nice work as always.
Every office gets muggy in the morning when they line up at the coffee machine.
wow, you just keep pumping out videos! keep up the great work!
I always share your vids to my guys! I hope they watch them. I certainly have learned alot from you and I mainly do residential. Would love to get into more commercial and refrigeration.
Back to Back Video's, Thank you.!
Thanks for watching
Just another Lucky Goldstar compressor doing Lucky Goldstar compressor things, no mystery here!🤣
Exactly 😂
Great brazing technique video. Thanks for showing so many joints all the way through at normal fps. I’d like to see how much of that wet rag you put back into the jar or if you discard some of the cooked stuff.
0:40 Terrifying spider alert!
Helps keep the air conditioner bug free
Cute spider alert
Thank you for your videos.
Muchas gracias por éstos grades consejos Chris. Admiro mucho tú humildad, y un gran gran trabajo.
Saludos a todo tú equipo desde Coacalco estado de México.
Gracias amigo
A tip for that core removal tool is to make sure the end snaps tight on the core. I've had to squeeze mine with pliers to make sure it grips tight.
It’s like a song Chris. DIRTY RETURN AIR KILLED THE COMPRESSOR TO START 😅
Great Video. Thank you for sharing. Have a nice weekend.
Good job Chris.
Working on cars I would often run some hot water over or even lightly heat the dryer with a torch while recovering to help it boil off all the refrigerant if it started frosting up.
I wouldn't do that, it could release water vapor out of the dryer as well and you don't want to have these filling up the system.
The system is going to be evacuated anyway so that would boil what little water vapour if any, off.
@@BensSightSoundandAuto As you know, you'll never get a perfect evacuation (especially not in a time-tight working environment on cars), so you can't get all the vapor out of the system. You'll make it harder for the new dryer (which also has to care about moisture in the new refrigerant, often it's not as dry as "new" might suggest) if you flush the system with water vapor. There are voices out there who say, if you can cut an old welded dryer out of a system then don't weld it out.
Great video Chris has always.
24:10 You should get (or have a Machinist Friend make) a small copper or brass tack-hammer (3/8 x 3/8 inch striking face) to gently tap stubborn pipes into place during Braising...
Then there's less risk of burning your fingers pushing or giggling hot pipes...and the copper or brass face is malleable enough to not mar the copper pipes as you tap them...
i agree internal bypass is leaking by. i would isolate the compressor and valve down the discharge(if you can), and see if the noise changes. You can also use a small tube, one end goes to your ear the other end goes on the compressor to see if thats where your noise it coming from, an ear plug in the unused ear help as well
As soon as I heard that compressor noise I knew it was bypassing. Started up and serviced many of these RTUs. Lennox had their shiz together on this line.
Love your closing thoughts ♥
Curious if you have had any issues with leaks around the brazed joints - I ask because throwing a “Wet towel on to cool it off” may result in the metallurgical process known as quenching instead of cooling - and quenched metal tends to be crystalline and brittle and will crack much more easily under vibration than the same metal which is allowed to cool slowly (slower cooling results in “annealing” which is not brittle
Awesome video Chris! 👍🏻 Lots of great tips as always 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks bud
Lock boxes are a god send. It keeps sticky fingers off the T-Stats. Thanks for posting.
Brazing compressors, driers and sightglass and expansion valves are fun.
Too short solder should be handled with a plier, so you don't burn
Your fingers. But very nice of you to show that awsome part of the refrigeration work.
Thanks
good sized western black widow there, i almost never get to see them outside of still images and drawings because the southern subspecies is so common.
Yes! Be kind and don't sweat the small stuff! I like your last comment.
Exactly
Es un video con mucha enseñanza para nosotros que apenas empezamos gracias hermano Dios te con mucho bien🙏🏼
So now that you have a larger dryer in and need an extra 4 oz of refrigerant, do you document this anywhere? Write it on the inside of the panel for the next person who checks the system?
The noice sounds awesome one should make a track out of it. My boss would have done really bad things to us if we didn't clean the filters 2-3 times a week
Absolutely right, Chris. You solder/braze the way you feel comfortable with. And use what amount you feel is best. Don’t let any armchair HVACR tech tell you don’t do it right, in their opinion. You know what they say about opinions, anyhow. And you know who I’m talking about… lol
Have you ever considered using rosebud tips to weld bigger piping like the suction on this compressor? Great video 🤙🏻
Brown Recluse 🕷️ Spiders and Black Widow🕷️Spiders are a Lot more Common than most people realize. Most Homes have several Brown Recluse🕷️Spiders. 🤔
Lots of spiders = lots of insects. If you are a Buddhist, don't walk on my lawn in the summer, every step will kill spiders...
Nice to see a bussines owner with so many goodies!
My supervisor/owner refuses to embrace new technology,
I wanted to attend one of the Simbio classes here in Texas and he said that he won't pay for the class or my time,sad to see people like that out there ,
Nice catch on that compressor 🍻
Hey Chris I always thought more solder was better until i created a BB and it carried through to the piston. I felt like a bone head… Great work buddy
Awesome video😊
Thanks bud
Possible poor heat exchange across evaporator? High air split temps, low back pressures. You mentioned possible bad ductwork.
I really enjoy following you on your calls. Helps my old brain exercise a bit! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching
I suspect that the constricted return caused pressure to rise, busting the internal bypass valve.
Neat as always, but i do wish you had the opportunity to autopsy these odd compressors to see what was broken.
I always think about this when purging for a compressor,
Your coming in through the discharge line, how do you know you have flow through the compressor through both of your joints out of the suction joint to the shearer valve?
Considering the reeds, they probably act like a check valve and don’t allow flow. I think it’s likely it’s skipping both of your joints it goes through the condenser coil then the evaporator then and out of the suction valve.
Even if you purged from the suction side, how do you know it’s flowing through the compressor, through the reeds passed the joints? I would think the path of least resistance is still the coils.
Something I always think about. Love the content Chris
dude was that a black widow at 0:48 when
i saw it i literally gasped and said "oh my god"
Did you not see the pipe pop out again on the Top of the compressor just as you moved to the second joint ???
Don't worry about that first stage compressor, it'll be fiiine. Squeals like a happy little pig!
You should hear the Racket My Refridge makes when it is running. I think it is the piston at the back of the Freezer compartment. NO it is not the Fan. I can disconnect it, Noise galore...
Morning mate, curious question. How do you replace the Black widdow? Funny thing to seeing them now twice in your video’s
I was also very impressed and comfortable with the measure-quick app…until they made it virtually unusable by removing the ability to take screenshots. 😢 I get it they need to make money. But as I’m not a business owner I don’t have use for the premium features they are trying to push by removing this feature. I just need the screenshots to remember the numbers…As always Chris, thanks for all you do!
Use android not iPads. With root you can bypass the no screenshot rule.
I enjoy watching your videos on my down time from work keep up the great work . Question what kind on valves are you using in line with the filter drier
Take a screwdriver, push the tip on the probable source and the handle to your ear so you hear the sound kind of directly
Methinks a cheap stethoscope would be worth purchasing 1:00
My first thought was either a bad check valve or it’s bypassing. Then I realized that those are LG compressors, well no wonder they crapped out so soon! LG compressors aren’t exactly known for their quality or longevity. Lennox’s tend to be relatively bullet proof tanks otherwise, or at least they used to be.
If you turn the unit on at the thermostat and unit not on remove the thermostat and jump out y1 and y2 then you can see if it the cable broken or the thermostat.
Nice compressor replacement 😎👍
Thanks bud
Amen brother.
if the buildings are cookie cutter why not add a nicer split unit with the supply on the ceiling because the walls are covered in equipment for the common office issue?
Like to know how many months of no maintenance it takes to pay for the two compressors.
We going to start a pool as to when compressor 2 will fail?
In the video it looks like youre using an oxidizing flame during the brazing portion. Im curious, is there a particular reason for this or is it a preference?
Just preference I suppose, it's just the way I've always done it
You know? It sucks you have to send it back warranty. I would have loved a teardown of that scroll assembly.
Me to, maybe next time
How much do you charge to put in extra ball valves in your units.?
I'm just curious
Just add the parts and make them up it doesn’t really take any extra time
I have a question?well Not related to this video. What are the differences between normal compressor and inverter compressor? I know i can googled that, but think you explain it batter.
He says "oh look a black widow, that's pretty cool"
No. No it's not. 😂
Lol
Sure it was...
It was on the other side of your screen so no possible way you could get bit by that one...
😄😁😆😅😂🤣
They are beautiful spiders. Yes, they are venomous. but if you leave them alone, they will leave you alone.
Chris, is there a reason for not disassembling the valves? I was taught to always do that whenever possible by a seriously OG guy 25 years ago.
I’m typically brazing with nitrogen so no need to take the valves apart as the nitrogen prevents the carbon flakes from ever forming
I will discuss this on my livestream this evening 11/11/24 @ 5:PM(pacific) on UA-cam, come on over and check it out ua-cam.com/users/livekgFN_y-zu1g?si=NDFZQQOraop9k0Cq
Sounds like high pressure inner by-pass
So dumb question what do u do with the bad refrigerant that can’t be reused and is contaminated
Why would you have a aircon in a kitchen as in Australia we don't have aircon in kitchens
It's a restaurant.
Who is we? I think most kitchens have aircon
What tablet do use for the app?
An iPad pro
How do you install the probes to get all that info?
Nice 👍🏾
I noticed that the Sporlan Logo was missing in the Intro. Mistake?
No, just a change of scenery for a bit
I avoid measurequick after the "pay to screenshot" disaster, that and the interface was very clunky atleast at the time i used it.
wheres the brazing montage lol!
Why don’t you put in Copeland compressors if the unit is out of warranty
I'm not a HVAC technician, but why is it more common to have multiple circuits in commercial systems rather than one circuit with a big compressor controlled with a VFD for variable stage cooling?
Those do exist, but they are costly and complicated. I usually see them on server room units.
I guess i you can use of the shelf bits it is easier to make and ajust sizing, and there is allso a redundancy factor to this. If 1 of 3 clmpressors crap out, it wont kill thd whole AC, and it is no so critical. If you have 1, and 1 brakes, you are out of luck.
So they don't let you even dump oil on bad warranty compressors?
I will discuss this on my livestream this evening 4/8/24 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out. ua-cam.com/users/liveiwGZEoDxYvo
Why do I find it hard to write the next line
Replace the office grille with a bigger one or add a mini split
I've found so many problems with LG compressors. I don't trust them anymore.
I love watching your videos, tho i have *alot* to catch up on cus I stopped watching for awhile (i was interested in anime)
if a york ac unit was a food it is a *old broken egg york*
I would have thrown that grill away till I got them a new one
It's almost like you're the boss and the one who ultimately pays for the solder, so you can use as much solder as damn well please. 🙃
Are your PETA certified?
If i worked in areas with black widows id probably have to rethink my career
Where’s the 80s music for brazing ?!?!?
Aren’t you guys afraid of black widows? Aren’t they venomous?
Too much acetylene on you flame from your torch will reduce your heat and take longer to do the joint. You got it some where close once you put your rod to the joint on the compressor
Maybe time for a rosebud on your torch? Be a whole lot quicker
Where's your stethoscope?
Lennox went downhill when they started using LG compressors
Cover should be taken off and Customer needs to Pressure Wash it thoroughly. 🤔👍
The black widow will keep the bugs out