This Is Why Judo Is The Best Martial Art - joe rogan judo
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as a judoka i always enjoy joe rogan talking about judo
Same, glad he is educated on the subject and unbiased as a bjj blackbelt
@The Anti-Propagandist stick with it buddy, remember Judo is not just a combat system but a lifestyle different from BJJ.
@@theanti-propagandist5116 Keep charging bro. No quitting!
Same brother....currently my 6th year of Judo and I'm loving some Muay Thai on the side!
That’s why I clicked. Lol
My foreman, way back in the 60s, was a judo blackbelt. He was a WW2 vet and served in the military for several years in Japan. I was in my late teens and he was in his late 40s. I was a big strong untrained country boy and he was a 160 lb "old" man. Sometimes during breaks and lunch I would "test" him. I was fascinated with all the things he could do no mater what direction I came at him and I knew he could mess me up if he wanted to. Luckily he was good natured and he liked me. RIP Preston.
Kung Fu Is the Best System period. We been around Thousands of years Before firearms. Joe the "DOME" Rogan is not The Authority On the WORLD Of martial Arts. it's amazing how naïve you people are.
@@subtlewindtv1772 Where did I mention Kung Fu? You need to take a chill pill Karen.
ok cindy
@@subtlewindtv1772bruh ppl wanna argue for no reason, bro told a cool and deep story and you wanna cry about kung fu lmfao 😂
@@subtlewindtv1772 kung fu is bullshido lol
"Grappling! But definitely striking."
- Joe Rogan
Thats a legit position. "You should know all domains, but especially grappling."
Just be careful to not go to the ground in most street fights all it takes is his buddy coming round to kick you in the head while you choke him unconscious.
As a judoka and a former doorman, judo throwing is a finisher.
Judo and wrestling are definitely better suited to bouncers, LEOs, security personnel, etc., than Jiu-Jitsu. Judo and wrestling are about initiating the physical confrontation and manhandling people who are out of control.
It can be but having also worked in a bar (not as a doorman) I've seen people get dumped and bounce up again. Big strong people who are off their faces. It's not the for sure finisher some people think always.
@@iorekby but once they are down. By goodness a subtle knee drop will keep them down. It depends on the situation. I did door work for 28 years, and I am not a big guy.
@@scottbedding6643you talking weight or height?
@@rampagesmackssons508 both 5ft 10 ,71kg
My dad put me in judo at 13, due to bullying at school.
As an adult of 50 looking back it definitely helped. Having said that, i took down most of my bullies utilizing 1 single move, and ive not forgotten it to this day.
I dont recall the name of this move/throw, but its essentially putting your hip into the guy, turning/twisting your torso, and over he goes with your weight on top of him on. Its hard to verbalize how its done, but my body remembers.
First time my instructor showed it to me, i was just a tiny, skinny 13 year old, but boy was i amazed when i actually pulled it off and my little body came down on top of his.😂. It was a profound confidence boost, and my 1st realization that size doesnt always matter, and that "the bigger they are, the harder they fall" was actually true.
I practiced until i could do it in my sleep. 98% of my school bullies never saw it coming. The feel of their larger bodies rolling over my hip and hitting the ground with me on top, the whoosh of air exploding from their lungs, the shock on their faces.....well, you never forget.
O-goshi
@callmeveej I love that name.
Make me think "oh gosh shi....t what just happened"? haha!
Definitely ogoshi. I just started judo a month now and that's what I been mostly practicing on
@genso3065 hope you keep up your training. Part of me wonders if I should take up judo again? Maybe 50 isn't to old?🤪.
Best of luck to you in your life.
@@jacklabonte6839 no, sir never too old if you're still able. Just gotta stretch much more and take it little steps at a time. Haha. I'm turning 38 in April and I thought I was old. My judo instructor told me he started at 36 and 50ish now, so that gave me a little motivation and with me already bringing my son there to train in karate/ bjj/ and judo. And, thanks for the encouragement, I already got my ankle injured over a week ago by my cardio kickboxing coach who also practice judo. Haha
My Judo instructor used to say, "You can kick or punch, and that's fine, but what we do is hit the opponent with the earth." 😆
From what I've seen of Krav Maga, it's pretty much the same type of self defense techniques we learned in karate. The opponent attacks and you do this, this and this. They were called one steps because your partner did one attack and you countered with a prescribed defense.
To me, the missing ingredient is sparring. If you never spar, you never really learn timing, range and footwork. And you sure as hell never learn what it's like to get hit and to keep going.
Krav maga is a scam. So are 90% of martial arts. Any karate or krav maga instructor won't be able to beat a fighter who's had 2 years of experience in BJJ or Muay Thai.
"what we do is hit the opponent with the earth."
As a former judoka myself I disdain this saying, because it's overly melodramatic and actually shows that there's a lot of insecurity about judo's efficiency. Boxers seem to be much more confident about their fighting skills, cause they don't need metaphores like that.
@@MarkotnySzczur Perhaps you take things too literally... and definitely too seriously.
Or as the late Warren Oates' character, SSG. Hulka, in the movie 'Stripes' would say, "Lighten up, Francis!"
@@cpiper6338 Perhaps u right ; )
luta livre has great leg locking techniks. like judo on parter
Judo and bjj together equals big problems for anyone. Train both 🥋👌🏻
Judo and Kickboxing is pretty well rounded fighter right there because in Judo you already have much of what bjj is
@@korallrev3497 true look at Valentina shevchenko, her style is Muay Thai & judo.and Fedor his style is combat Sambo & judo.
@@billcipher3946 rhonda rousey too
Sambo...SMESH!!
Bro... judo is bjj... train judo amd striking
My Judo coach used to say, "If you get into a fight, you are going to get hit. The key is to only get hit once." What Rogan says at the end of this is completely true. What makes sports like Judo, MMA, Boxing, Wrestling etc. is the amount of time you spend sparing. You spend a lot of time fighting at practice. You aren't punching and kicking the air. You aren't breaking boards. You are trying to beat people who are trying to beat you. It's real. You're confident because you know it works. "Boards don't hit back."
Joe is spot on here. People might underestimate how proficient he is in understanding martial arts
he isn't, he's nothing but a bjj fan boy
@@wacogliderman9396 lol 🤡
Judo is good in most street situation but anyone with some understanding of what happens in street fights knows a lot of them have more than 2 combatants involved so going to the ground is a shit idea. But you did you and pray you don’t get kicked in the head by his buddy while your choking him out.
If someone really thinks Krav maga shit is the best, they dont understand this lol. No suprise Lex said that, he is that kind of wierdo. Joe is spot on here. In a fight, u need to be a good striker and u need to absorb punches aswell. If u then can take ur opponent to the ground and maul him, u are simply the best. The only thing u need is boxing and grappling
@@shz6148 just don't take them down unless you're sure they don't have friends with them otherwise you might take a boot to the skull
This is something I only realised after stopping my (very brief) foray into Judo. The thing that makes it awesome is the shifting of weight and precision of techniques. Those are things that can be transferred into any grappling sport.
Just be careful to not go to the ground in most street fights all it takes is his buddy coming round to kick you in the head while you choke him unconscious.
Khabib once said he respects Judo the most of all the martial arts.
Interesting background his family has with Judo. I didn’t know that until recently 😮
Okay? Lol
Those Caucasian guys love Judo also the Russians they train wrestling and judo or sambo (mix of both)
Train judo for about 6 months but due to exams i decide to stop training, like i did with Karate and Kick boxing during my middle school and highschool years...
But boy they are useful in a fight, we had a disagreement during sports and I've never felt more powerful, most know how to throw a punch by throw..... I always wanna train again but due to work i can't cuz i don't have time.
@@etlarm5514 I train Jiu Jitsu and some boxing. I’ve done a few Judo lessons and it’s incredible. Going against some seasoned Judokas is a sketchy feeling because I know once they grab me… I’m in trouble because that’s exactly when I get dumped on my head lol
We had a BJJ guy join our K-boxing club, even though we trained Thai as well it didn't matter with free sparring at the end of class. All we wanted to learn was as much BJJ as possible then train for misery and get accustomed to it.
A Krav guy came along...we learned gun disarms but the trigger guard broke his finger...he didn't come back?
As a Muay Thai practitioner I'd love to learn some Judo too
Combines beautifully w Muay Thai clinch and sweeps
@@jugo1944 It's like boxing with wrestling or peanut butter with jelly. It just works
Look up to Valentina Shevchenko, her fighting style is Muay Thai & Judo. Same with Fedor Emilianko: fighting style is judo and combat sambo.
@@billcipher3946 I'm familiar with both of them already. Fantastic fighters, it's very elegant
@@luisdawnfinder3188 definitely. Boxing plus some sort of striking w low kicks plus some kind of take down grappling and submission defense= MMA
Some folks fear heights, because they're afraid of falling. The fall, however, isn't the problem. It's the sudden stop at the end of the fall that hurts. So got to love judo, where you take someone from their feet to throwing them to the hard, unforgiving ground.
“Unforgiving ground”
Good couple of words. I’m going to use it in poetry one of these days
@@reynemanzano If I'm ever in the situation that someone has me in a bearhug from the back, my intention is to hold their arms, and do a shoulder roll so that their face meets the unforgiving ground. Hopefully, that will knock my assailant out. As for using "unforgiving ground" knock yourself out. 👍
Judo saved my life so many times in fights i owe everything to judo
Funny story. Many years ago I was out drinking with a few people. We stopped at local college bar towards end nof evening. ! guy I was with was bragging about armwrestling prowess. Door guy took him down right handede pretty easily. Guy then said his left hand was his strong arm. Again, same result. So in his alcohol fueled arrogance, He asked if the door guy wanted to go outside. Doorman said “ You probably don’t want that but if you insist”. Well, doorman walked out first, the guy second and me with girl drinking buddy about 2 seconds after that. When we got outside , the doorguy already had him pinned to the ground with no chance to even move. 2 seconds. Tuns out he was rated 2nd in our state for Judo. Nice guy, didn’t hurt the guy.
He's not wrong. Particularly against untrained opponents (which will be most self defense situations), Judo is incredible.
I've found BJJ people are so arrogant that Judo tends to be super effective against BJJists. It's just that in general judo guys dislike the whole "macho man gansta" attitude of the bjj community, so they tend not to mingle with them, as a general rule.
The only caveat is that sports judo ingrains some poor fighting habits. But all you really need to do is take a moment to explain BJJ rules to Judo guys, and they will immediately adapt.
For example, many Judo guys stop or just think of the throw. Terrible sports practice.
Traditional judo thought of THROW-CONTROL-SUBMIT, even submissions from a standing position. That was the traditional way.
Most of the time BJJ guys are so rattled from the first throw that you can actually submit them without even going to the ground, but you really have to have these things in mind as a JUdo guy.
@David A. Rosales maybe just people that you know. I have multiple judo black belts at the bjj gym where I train. Not everybody in a martial art thinks the same. Nobody acts macho at my gym
@@davida.rosales6025 you kind wrong. Judo don't stop after the throwing. Never heard about Newaza?
Judo is such a grind, the constant getting up and getting slammed are real test to ones fortitude.
Hi Guys, well I trained Judo for some years (blue belt) and have been training Krav Maga since 2016. If practiced with good coaching, both are great by their own rights. It's not so much what we train but how we train. My Krav Maga Master used to be a highly world ranked professional Kickboxer and uses all his ring and realism experience in his teaching. He also teaches Krav Maga in Special Forces of my country for military purposes. This is no joke. The way we train Krav Maga it's not how other schools and organizations may train, we sparr a lot, use Judo throws, work on the floor but with anti grappling techniques, because in streetfighting it's dangerous to stay on the ground. The way we train self defense situations is always with open tasks and we have to always adapt and improvise, not with coreographed movements. We know that if we have to fight with someone with a knife, at some point there are great chances that we wil going to be cut, but we always train with that scenario in mind. I know the bad fame that Krav Maga gained because of the business interests and fake instructors. Just not judge one entire system based on bad examples.
were do you live (what country ) they train like that only in Izrael and Germany
@@lukasuton2433 I live and train in Lisbon, Portugal in FPKM - Federação Portuguesa de Krav Maga.
Exactly-how you train is the key.
Boxing and Judo are the best for fighting someone on the streets, you don't wanna go to the ground and you definitely don't wanna high kick with the risk of someone catching your leg.
agreed but a low kick is pretty good.
@@novelaego2404 And if you slip, you're screwed. Look at Chris Weidman and Luke Rockhold.
@@novelaego2404
Depends, you can slip and fall easily on the street if you miss
Bro most ppl dont know how to catch a kick they just duck
Jiu Jitsu specifically teaches you how to escape from underneath someone as well as get back to your feet. Many other arts also teach that, but Jiu Jitsu is the best that does and most consistent. I agree, the last place I want to be in a street fight is on the ground but at least I know how to handle myself there rather than be completely clueless.
Everyone is a gangsta until your arm is in an angle it wasn't supposed to be
"It's the best!"
-Joe Rogan about everything.
I've done martial arts for years. Best self defence is to de-escalate or walk away. Violence outside a ring is unpredictable and unfair.
Agreed. Failing that, strength & endurance and get-ups under load. I think competitive martial arts only prepare for competitions and being too optimistic about fight technique is what gets people killed.. 🙂
street fight = no weight classes, possible weapons, dirty moves are a go and the opponents "homies" who may or maybe not jump in.
Sad fact: 90% of the street fights I have been in I almost alway get jumped by the guys friends or end up fighting someone 20+ pounds heavier or even even waaaay more.
Never lost a match in competition(just smokers and small amatuer kickboxing bouts) with someone my size but have lost a lot on the streets kuz the dude was just way bigger then me. lol
Hard truth right there - The Universe and everything is not fair. Specially the raw violence. :)
@@teovu5557street fighters are garbage fighters real danger is from knife and guns only
joe painted a picture with the judoka and a heavy winter coat. I felt vulnerable from this desk 🤣
🤣🤣🤣
These 2 guys are the king of PODCASTING
I roll with some guys in BJJ and sometimes I think "Man, I wouldn't be able to best these guys even if I had a knife". The experience you get from that is invaluable. However, you should NEVER underestimate an unexperienced guy in a self-defence situation, for they can be wild and have a very violent intent (Imagine fighting a tribesman, good luck with your martial arts).
I make it an effort to always roll with pure white belts because they just go absolutely bananas it's not even funny lol. It also keeps you sharp because most people on the street have not ever grappled, so they just work with what they got. Which is typically head locks and shitty wrestling, which can be overcome with some Jiu Jitsu.
Just be careful to not go to the ground in most street fights all it takes is his buddy coming round to kick you in the head while you choke him unconscious.
Don't forget to, inexperienced guys on the streets have alot of experience in hurting people. Not all of them flail. They use tactics and improvised weapons among other skills
How many videos end with someone fighting one guy and end with that same guy getting dog piled by the opponents friends. There are times when grappling can be hugely effective but if I am in public and there is a chance the person I’m against has friends ready to jump in. I’m going to avoid going to the ground with him if possible.
@@mikegilkey4173 facts striking and throws only
Judo probably has the most instant stopping-power in a street self-defense situation. Muay Thai sweeps and trips too. The concrete is a vicious strike. It breaks bones and dislocates joints. You can throw someone in a T-shirt extremely hard. You can bring them to the cement like you're breaking concrete and they the head of a sledgehammer. You can alter their trajectory mid-air while multiplying the force of gravity, and angle their impact towards specific parts of the body, like the face, head, neck, shoulder or hip. Don't fight on the street.
... and then be in prison for manslaughter.
I started training in 1999 at 19 yrs old. I started In Filipino stick fighting, and knife defense, that went into Trapping (JKD), Thai kickboxing, and BJJ. I trained all of these at the same time, and eventually tried to incorporate particular techniques and concepts together. I did this about 15 hours per week for about 4 years. I got injured in BJJ in 2003. At that time I had been a Blue Belt when I quit. I eventually came back in late 2019 strictly in no gi BJJ. I eventually started Judo and did that for about 2 years. As an over 40 guy Judo is rough on the body to start so late. I currently should be getting my purple belt at the next promotion. I recently started stick training again. That being said, I train with absolute and I mean absolute monsters. These guys are the top of the top. One is a BJJ champion highly decorated black belt that 225 solid mussel. He has been training MMA for the past 2 years, one of the other guys is a 14-3 pro fighter. He is a BJJ black belt and is like a freaking phantom in the ring. He typically sits at 185lbs. We have a boat load of the highly skilled monsters that train and teach 30-40 hours per week every week for decades. With other monsters. These are my instructors and training partners. I currently train 10-14 hours per week, recreationally. These Krav guys have know idea what violence is. These guys can be and absolutely train everyone how to be violent and when to be violent. My primary professor always reminds us,”My Job Is to tech you violence. That is what we are learning in my gym.” Now we learn how to control that violence when, where, and why we would want to be violent. In my opinion any blue belt BJJ guy that occasionally gets hit with 4 oz gloves and learns how to throw some hands would absolutely dominate and pick apart just about any Krav guy in any fighting situation. Good dang luck with that.
Im not krav and think it mostly sucks but it isnt designed for 1v1 situations with trained fighters. Not a fair comparison imo.
@@antondelacruz9362 Krav is an interesting fighting system. I looked into it a few years ago. Krav Maga isn’t a fighting style at all. It just means contact fighting. I don’t know if you have trained or been in the military. I had trained BJJ and other types of martial arts in my youth. A buddy of mine came back from basic training and out of the blue challenged me in front of our friends. He had done 2 or 3 weeks of combat training and now he was a deadly weapon that know everything I trained in. I was trying to explain that your 2-3 weeks of training doesn’t mean anything. Plus I had been training 15 per week week for years at that point. I was on the phone and handed him an aluminum training know and said ok kill me. He attacked me with this training knife I disarmed him and stabbed him. He wanted another go round. He attacked me again with my phone shouldered i stabbed him with his attack arm then disarmed him. Excuses started flowing. Then he was like no I know everything there is to know about that Jiu-jitsu. He proceeded to get submitted about 6 times in 2 minutes. He got up and just left. My point is the US army training program is the same exact concept as Krav Maga it just not marketed as well. In any martial arts training it must be trained while the body is stressed. Then while under stress practicing the technique or movement over and over again until it becomes your reaction to that stressor. Krav Maga guys just don’t do that. Now also need to know there is also no real structure in Krav. Like karate has a organization that recognizes a particular curriculum. BJJ has a lineage structure for ranking. You could go on like review some videos and literally open a school as a Krav Maga program and there is no way to vet the program or instructor. That’s kind of the biggest issue. No real accountability in the industry.
@@ConveyApp thanks for the detailed reply. Yes agree with all that. Israel is selling snake oil which really just toughens up soldiers in basic training, and is slightly altered then marketed as reality based self defense for civvies. Even in israel they train filipino martial arts if they want weapons stuff, and the running joke used to be that Krav invented groin strikes.
Having said that, the orientation toward reality and the conditioning are good for anybody who doesnt train, and the rbsd aspect is still good for people who train for sport, because it shows a different mindset. As much fun as we can make about 'for da streetz', there is a kernel of truth to it. Street altercations in rbsd are about lawless violence, de escalation, awareness, twitch reactions, psychology, etc, not controlled 1v1 fights. Some krav teachers also have in-ring or grappling experience and they are pretty good. I used to do friendly spars with a krav student and took turns doing anything to stop knife attacks. Now he trains with my fma instructor. However he has a broader experience and perspective than just pure fma. Thats an advantage.
@@antondelacruz9362 Very true. Great comment. I also have trained and at one point was an instructor for shooting. Anyways the most important thing out of every single self defense scenario is awareness. That’s literally the most effective thing anyone can do. There is this philosophy called the 5 stupids. Don’t do stupid things, with stupid people, at stupid places, at stupid times, in stupid situations. You might be able to get away with one.
Where you at so I could go give you a beating no rules whatsoever? I'm sick of all of you sport guys thinking you know real violence because you don't and never have so to compare yourselves on that level, I'll give you a rude awakening. I don't train Krav Maga or martial arts but reality and I don't even call it that. I call it more - The truth!
Well said Joe ...Gun it is !!
Judo nowadays are know as The Kodokan Judo. It's a sport. It's strip down version of the original.
The original version is really deadly . The Samurai use it in war.
It's useful on any situation, even if your opponent wears armor.
Some of this original Judoka goes to Brazil then created Brazilian Jujitsu..
Learn really good Judo, Okinawan Karate, Brazilian Jujitsu you're ready for the street fight, MMA , or travel back in time to participate in feudal Japanese War 😁
The thing is, judo throws are so good that most people don't even feel the need to talk about judo chops. Because it's just overkill at that point
I mean, Judo chops are the same as Aikido chops.
They aren't meant to be used in an actual fight, they are there so you can train yoyr throws against a strike or advancing strike.
And they usually are meant to represent weapons as well.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 common dude ofc they are effective it’s more dangerous than hitting the chin 100%
@@MrHacked19 i mean, yeah. But at the same time, it isn't easy to land one of those.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 it actually depends I prefer gaw choi you’ll hit in a whipping motion with hammer fist towards the neck I don’t wanna know what will happen if I do that to someone because there are nerves there that are really dangerous to hit and I know that for a fact I’ve done research on it lol.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 this way is easier to hit its like an uppercut
The best scenario in self defense is a strike knock down or judo throw that keeps you standing up. Once you're on the ground and the guy has assistance which is not that uncommon you're in big trouble.
I’m a boxer/ kick-boxer and now learning Judo. I have very strong faith in my hands and feet, but now and glad to expand into throws and ground tactics.
For street fight boxing+judo is the perfect combination. Kicks are great, but you don't wanna kick in an uncontrolled environment and take the risk of fall. BJJ, amazing, but as soon as you throw your opponent you either get out or smash his head, because if don't do it he will.
I have your opinion. First try to punch and later take the opponent and throw. Kicks are dangerous in a street and fight in a ground also.
thats why danaher wears rash guards casually, to eliminate the offense of a possible judoka attack
As a Judoka, I'd say that Jiu-Jitsu is TRASH for street fight .. I'd choose a combination between Judo and Kick-Boxing
yes this is the real shit because Judo still have alot of submissions and its unlikeley you will roll around on the ground for a long time
@@korallrev3497 I'm talking slamming sb on the concrete, trying to end the fight immediately... I mean, you're in a club you don't know who's who and you try to perform a rear naked choke, and sb kick your face from behind, or even the guy you're trying to choke stab you with a knife ... so I would never perform my newaza on anybody.
@@nostalgicvibe9473 thats what i mean judo + kickboxing is excelent because you have enough submissions to finish of a guy in judo if you want to + throws but you dont have to because you have different ways to go about it. in BJJ you only learn groundgame
JiuJitsu is about equal to Judo in my opinion for several reasons.
First of all JiuJitsu isn‘t as dependent on the GI anymore. Judokas only train in a GI whilst in JiuJitsu noGI is very established and popular. The grips for throwing change a lot and if the attacker only wears a T-Shirt or something like that you might have trouble to adjust.
Furthermore Judo has been watered down a lot for sports and the olympics. No leg attacks and turtling on the ground is very often used because the refs stand the fight back up rather quickly. In self defense you don‘t turtle and pray for a ref. And whilst you might not want to shoot for a double leg in the streets, knowing how to defend against someone rushing in on your legs is quite useful.
Lastly in JiuJitsu you are better fighting from your back. This can be quite dangerous too, as you don’t WANT to be on your back in a fight, but fights are often very fast paced and unpredictable, you may trip over or smth. If you end up in this situation JiuJitsu will teach you how to fight your way out of it and get back up.
Judo is no joke by the time u reach black belt you can be goog on your feet as well on the ground
For pure self-defence, not for having a match-fight, then Boxing + Judo is a very good combination.
You just have to know what techniques not to use, ie don't use the jab from Boxing or the sacrifice techniques (I call them suicide techniques) from Judo.
It's a good combination, but I think if you really want to get good at combining your boxing and Judo, do styles that incorporate grappling and striking, such as Kudo, Sanda, or do MMA.
Grappling is so effective and you can control someone with out hurting them
Joe Rogan your reasoning about crav maga, grappling, mma, Jiu Jitsu, Judo is very precise and honest. Could not be more clear, period.
Krav pulls from a bunch of different martial arts. Mainly Karate/TKD from my experience. I know Krav has a different flavors depending on the instructor, but it looks like a lot of their striking & kicking techniques resemble Karate/TKD. Now as a retired police officer, I think Krav has some great weapon disarms. They seemed to work for me and my old training partners in pressure-tested environments. But we all trained in BJJ, Judo, and Boxing with dabbling in a lot of everything else to see find the good.
Krav is a mixed martial art .... Unfortunately there are way to many schools with questionable roots and techniques out there. The organization I'm affiliated with considers it's curriculum a living document and is always subject to change. We want the best and most effective techniques across all the ranges of combat and we don't care where they come. Those techniques are encouraged to be applied with violent intent with a focus on superior physical capability and endurance. In all cases you should vet a school to the best of your ability before joining.
When krav maga guy start shooting.. there is the problem🤣
Lol, the wooden jew defending israels martial art
Thank you! Most people don't know the Krav Maga founder was on a wrestling team, trained in boxing, Jiu Jitsu, and several other martial arts. The techniques mix concepts from many arts. At my school near Toronto we learned takedown defense, BJJ escapes to get up if someone takes you down and tries to ground & pound or choke you, along with weapons defenses and counters to the most common attacks from both trained fighters and untrained aggressors.
When taught properly, Krav Maga is essentially dirty MMA with a focus on realistic situations, for when you need to get away or stop someone as fast as possible. My gym has a very good Muay Thai program in addition to Krav Maga. If you ONLY practice scripted defenses and don't spar strikers or grapplers, you're going to be like a fish out of water when things don't go like you practiced. The owner was a corrections officer, several of our instructors are also police/corrections and have used what we teach out in the field.
I love martial arts I have practiced them my entire life and will continue to for the rest of my life but I will always say the best line of defense is learn how to shoot and carry concealed. You never know what the other guy has or how many of them there are. When it comes to your life do not take chances.
That will is why l always carry blade. Not going to be good for anyone relying on grappling.
To you and Devrie. Thank you for posting that. I am at the same point in thinking. I heard Rogan and read comments here about "violence". I am a trained Martial Artist/Boxer, Kick Boxer but I do not want to be violent or fight anymore. The deal about training with killers and juiced up meat heads, hours upon hours of traing and thousands of dollars in order to learn-I have already done that. Ever since I was a kid EVERYONE knows it has a good chance of going to the ground but that is not the only means of hand-to-hand combat. Not "self-defense" but hand to hand combat. Joe Rogan can say whatever he wants because that is his job. He grezzes up and trains because he is loaded. That being said, now I pack-something. I will not say what, but I do, and I have no issues with, in general, letting someone have it to the full extent. I do not care what style someone knows. If I even think someone is going to try and put their hands on me, I will brandish and stop the person and the situation. "Not going to be good for anyone relying on grappling". There are too many men/women walking around today that think they are ruthless/invincible because they train in some form of grappling/wrestling.
the scariest thing is a wrestler who loves to throw hands.
I’m not at all an expert on fight theory but in practice over the years, I’ve had great success with head butting. People aren’t ready for it for some reason and if you can get ahold of their head or even better if they have long enough hair in back, one to four smashes has ended every encounter without hurting my hands and fingers.
OG Judo is actually the best martial art for self-defense/ Public Safety and MMA because it teaches you to fight from an upright position and always win the takedown! Unfortunately it got ruined by SPORT focus and lapel dependency so freestyle wrestling and Sambo took the "crown"
The punchline is mixed martial arts is its own style called Pankration yet it's not a successful martial art because there's no ranking and promotion systems so in a commercialized World it can't compete with the relatively safe simple and very profitable BJJ
What do you mean by “upright” position & why is this preferable for self-defence over wrestling?
@@broski120 the STANDING position is a striking position while the bent-over posture for wrestling is worthless... unless you're just wrestling
OG judo IS bjj (but more).
@@aplus1080 true but only if it's trained as a martial art not a sport, as a martial art they're nearly identical
BS. you never been in a street fight. striking is the best by far. in a streetfight, you dont know these people, you want to keep distance as much as possible to free yourself up to run away. judo is way too close quarters and also really works 1 vs 1 and even then you need to be a damn good judoka to not get shot be a striker before you can get close enough. if you are engaged with someone as a judoka, both of your hands are busy and you're wide open for attacks from a second person. any half decent puncher can keep several people away with good punches, blocking and movement.
also, all these people that declare judop as good for that type of situation are always talking about some experienced senior judoka. yeah of course they're tough to handle. tell you what, try to handle a experienced striker. most people who need this are not even green belts. i've been a judoka and the greenbelts and brownbelts i've seen would be toast in a live setting vs a striker. and most people never progress farther than that. would have made more sense for them to learn some striking, blocking and movement. and some sprinting.
Grappling training is rough. We get bumped. We experience pain n still do the stuff that works. I do muay thai n bjj. I've been kneed in the face n kicked in the nuts.... Its fine.
I grew up doing all the standing martial arts TKD, Karate, Kung Fu, Muy Thai and Boxing. The first time I rolled with a blue belt I tapped to exhaustion and panic. The closest thing I can liken it to is like a forced ritualized drowning. For all the people who have never rolled, grappled, or had a sparring match with someone who was experienced on the ground, they will quickly change their tune and realize what they don't know, they DONT KNOW.
My bouncer philosophy was always find the fastest way to neutralize the threat. Get em off balance, take advantage of vulnerabilities u (or they) create. Save your energy, keep your eyes open, feet planted, wait for iiittt....... then u can get creative. Rarely do u ever have to match punch for punch and aggression tactics take a lot of energy. Plus bouncing is a group effort so get em on the ground and others can pile on. That was always a good formula for dealing with whatever discipline, style, or weight class u had to face. Training a certain style helps, so does strength, speed and endurance. But balance, awareness, and experience were the keys to success in real world, hand to hand conflict. Call it Smart fighting if u want it is the dirty, unfair, cud be considered cheating, highly effective fighting style that develops as a result of years of experience in the real world dojo, not the gym.
I think the best is really knowing how to tangle with both worlds. If you're in the street feel free to incorporate some Krav tactics into your established skillsetof martial arts.
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i'm in krav maga and agree with Joe. i've also done muay thai. on the other hand, it's usually not a bjj expert or a karate expert or boxer (or someone in martial artis) that you have look out for on the streets. it's safe to say that martial artists are not looking for fights because they are disciplined and not trying to hurt people on the street. it is helpful to train with other martial arts experts to sharpen what we've learned about other sport fighting techniques or martial artists in general. i like krav maga because it does teach a basic level of physical strength training, self-defense, weapons defense, and some grappling from to keep at bay an attacker from the street.
I think the reason why Judo is a very , very good martial art is : If you happen to get into a street fight against an average joe.. he will expect punches and hits .. but some grappling always occurs and you have the total surprise effect using a judo throw..
I practiced Judo and Grappling myself, I'm agree that it's on the top 5 when it comes to self defense BUT, the biggest issue with them is that they are absolutely focused entirely on 1 vs 1 combat, but it's NEVER taking in consideration when it's 1 vs 2, or 3 or more
And sadly, when it comes to street fights, that's MOSTLY the case, it's rare that it's a fair 1 vs 1, so I would highly advise to FIRST, know some striking to be able to face (at least trying to survive) multiple opponents and THEN learn some grappling to be able to handle very good the 1 vs 1 situation.
If you have you spend all your life only practicing grappling or judo, you're overkilling it, you're the best, you're prepared blablabla, and let's say the times come, FINALLY, the first and only time in your life when you get attacked in the street, and guess what... they are 4 guys. You're screwed. All of your years and belts in BJJ or Judo are becoming instantly useless, because as soon as you grab one of the dude, the 3 others are going to smash you.
The most stupid decision would be to end up on the ground doing some grappling, and that's some sad truth that most people in the MMA field or on podcats like Joe Rogan or Jocko Willink or many other are just never mentioning.
And I said this as a previous judo and grappling practitioner for 4 years. You just have to be honest with people and stop preaching your church against all logic.
100%. Well put.
As a serious BJJ/Grappling supporter..I agree with your statements..... every situation is different...1v1 ...go for the ground...1vX# stand up use space with striking first ...Its a no Brain-er really...
Thank you. I learned you can't preach a different sermon to the choir that doesn't want to hear it.
I agree but why on earth would you take a fight against 4 guys. Just run for your life.
In morocco.. people rarely take classes of martial arts.. BUT.. everybody knows how to throw people and we got name for it: Chmal or Ness... it's Judo throw.. I've seen it before where people try to fight and as soon as one them is thrown to the ground and his head make a sweet sound and is sometimes inconscious.. most of them time they deascalate from both parties
I’ve only done wrestling/BJJ but I’d love to do some judo, and more striking.
Many people underestimate grappling skills. They do so at their own peril.
Reaching blindly and someone cracks you Joe Rogans funny af
I think Rogan should have mentioned wrestling here as well. Wrestlers have insane speed and strength and can just double leg most people
Especially the old school catch as catch can wrestling. I don't know why that gets so overlooked , in both MMA and the street ..
Because catch wrestling seems to have just as many devastating strangles and join lock submissions , as BJJ. But are usually less complex and far easier to learn . Making it perhaps even more practical for beginner grapplers .
Kick boxing is by far the best defense. If there's more than one guy your bjj becomes completely useless
Until one of them easily takes you down easily and you die
I used to kickbox and after awhile I found the lack of clinching too big of a disadvantage to ignore. You're almost guaranteed to clinch in a real fight with no rules.
I remember same debate going on again between Khabib and Kayla on one side and Cejudo, Usman, Makachev, Frankie, Gaetje on the other...... very intresting it was!
Guided Chaos is a good one, I think.
I would advise using boxing or judo , or combining the two arts or learning traditional jiu-jitsu for self defense or combat
@markdaniels4178 i would advise never leaving the house. Work remotely from home, order takeaway and groceries online and take vit d to compensate for the lack of sunlight. That's the best way to stay out of trouble IMO.
You did not just say traditional Jiu Jitsu.......
@@iorekby they probably mean Japanese Jujutsu.
The thing is that most Jujutsu schools do not Spar/do actual randori. Which kills most of the art, same thing happens to Aikido and other arts.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 judo and boxing gives you enough combat experience to use you Jujutsu techniques .
@@dylan_krishna_777 yes indeed.
Same thing can happen with Aikido.
You will be able to use Aikido techniques if you get enough experience from martial arts like Judo and Boxing.
Kyokushin Judo BJJ (with a sprinkle of boxing, wrestling and Muay thai) - Tettsu Bushi Jitsu 🙂
Wow. Someone that remembers Tettsu Bushi Jutsu! You do not exist, hahaha.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 🙏🙏 the humble quest to master all the ranges!
@@tettsubushi Great, go ahead~!!
After 20 years of peaceful life in a peaceful neighborhood, I got attacked by 3 thugs not longer than last week. I don't know how randomely I felt on this video, but sure, Judo saved me again.
I come from a rough place as a kid and teenager, got my brown belt more than 25 years ago now. Judo was always the answer, I've never been got with fists anyways...
It's like cycling... I never forgot.
Ushi mata on the bigger dude, directly on the concrete the others watched and didn't ask for second demo.
Joe put him in his place. Wise words at the end there.
For self defence boxing imo. Boxing trains you to be faster than your opponent, hit him then run. Never grapple in street fight you’ll get stabbed or jumped.
Yeah but if you use boxing, you can get into legal trouble too. You can easily end up in a situation where some guy attacks you and you really mess him up, and then you might be the one getting into trouble.
Whereas if you throw someone on the ground with judo, he's probably not harmed, but he probably is convinced to leave you alone.
@@lightworker2956 Use judo on concrete and the guys dead 😂. But i get your point. Best just to run . That’s why I like boxing. Throw one good punch then get out of there
Did 7 years of judo when i was a kid. Worked as a bouncer and police, can't count the number of people i've thrown on the ground with judo.
I trained in primarily Tang Soo Do for about 3 years. With some Judo and Aikido. This was c1980. With traditional Korean instructors. I didn’t get past brown belt 2nd class. For me, I competed in 7 full contact matches. Dera
I was in 2 separate altercations while still in my 20s . I was 5 9 165. My mo
Joe Rogan spitting flames and facts once again.
I disagree with the statement that judo is the best martial art, but the athleticism you gain from practicing it and the skill in grappling and taking a target down are certainly more useful than say, practicing aikido. Jiu-Jitsu I only say is not a great first choice because it only works against one opponent and holds you still, which means that unlike if you say, learned a less GENERALLY effective style, like karate, but then got jumped by 2 or 3 dudes outside a bar, you don't have to grab ahold of a dude and roll on the ground to throw a strike or two as you try to escape. As someone who's had lethal weapons pulled on them, also those who tell you they could easily disarm an attacker are largely lying through their teeth, to you AND to themselves.
I would say that there is no best martial art for real self-defense, because real self-defense scenarios barely ever benefit from martial arts training. Martial arts generally assume that you will not have a weapon (historically through ALL of human history, the best self-defense tactic is to carry and have a degree of competency with the weapons of the day through training) and thus also particularly badly in the modern day, assume your attacker will not be standing at least ten feet away from you with a gun.
People also tend to imagine scenarios without understand the motivations behind those who may want to hurt you. Humans mainly hurt people for two things- fun and profit. In the modern day, mugging someone is almost never going to be worth your time, because people barely ever carry cash, and unless they have a contact to sell your phone to really immediately, that isn't a commodity either. They could take your credit cards and use those, but the likelihood they get caught doing that is incredibly high, and most won't bother to do that.
So profit is mostly not a reason to attack people nowadays- that leaves fun. Most people don't just find it fun to bash on others without pretext, so if people are hurting you for fun, it's probably because you insulted them somehow, as in the scenario I'm imagining when I presented that, "2 or 3 dudes jump you outside a bar". Also worth noting, the NORM is going to be that you're outnumbered in that scenario. So to recap- most people who have to worry about this are people who disrespect people in public places and assume they won't get hit in the mouth.
Martial arts are FUN to learn, martial arts are a great way to introduce some discipline and athleticism into your life, which everyone can benefit from! But don't go assuming that you'd win a street fight because you train Judo, or Karate, or anything else, really. Fights are chaotic, violent, messy affairs that almost never have a clean winner. If you WIN a fight with someone who, for instance, brings a friend and a knife, you may still suffer permanently from injuries you sustain in that fight.
Which is why, as cringe as it sounds, the BEST self-defense skill is respect. Learn how to show people with your words and actions that you respect them, and that will deter most people who may wish to harm you.
Also carry a gun.
I find it funny how people pick on certain martial arts as you say "...less GENERALLY effective style, like karate..." which is true for many people of such martial arts but not everyone. Yes, probably 95% if not higher would be hopeless in a real fight. But this is not because certain martial arts aren't effective, but more because people have no clue as to what they are learning and how to apply what they should have learned and understood. I've always found free-sparring to be a main point for teaching people. Going back and forth doing five step punching and kicking doesn't teach self-defence only helps a bit with muscle memory. This is also true with something like kata training. No, what is needed is full-on sparring where you hit and get hit. Most people don't know what it's like to be truly hit in the face or kicked in the guts. This is why people in MMA, UFC and boxers are so much more dangerous in real fights as they know how being hit feels. The average Joe doesn't face this. I always tell people learn from everything and go with the basics that will actually work. Forget the movies and their set-up fights. Even Bruce Lee admitted that he would never fight the same way he did in his movies. That was just for show.
The real test comes when you're on the street or in a parking lot surrounded by concrete and standing on it. The MMA, UFC fighters and boxers don't deal with this in the octagon or ring but it makes a hell of a difference. In the end, the best defence is getting the hell out of there.
@@Nordicroo Yeah, tons of people mythologize Bruce Lee when even he himself said he wasn't a real fighter, I believe he was quoted saying something along the lines of, "Are you kidding? Benny "the Jet" would kill me in a real fight" at some point, and people still wanna pretend he was a warrior-king.
Yeah, obviously the strikes from karate can be effective just the same way that any amount of blunt force trauma delivered to a target that can cause an injury is a valid strike. There are MANY ways to strike with force, and some of these are prevalent even in styles that are harder to implement than others. Capoeira for example is a VERY difficult style to use for real because it's so showy, but a fighter that is able to feint well and open up their opponent's defenses may be able to land some devastating windup kicks with it. Again though, I still say styles like karate are, "less effective" simply on the grounds that they are unarmed combat styles, and all the most effective styles of combat have always involved weaponry. This is why these unarmed styles had to be developed in the first place- when the owning of weapons by commoners was outlawed to make it easier to oppress them
@@bob67497 this is very true. I did karate over many years but realised learning and taking from everything possible is key. But as I said, sparring is the most effective to dealing with real life. I see so many teachers stick to the robot movements in many karate clubs, then these poor kids think they can take on a bully (like Daniel-San) and win. Most fights I see now days involve sucker punching someone. It's not a fair-for-all fight anymore. I'm now in my 60s and the last thing I want to do is fight someone.
Yes, Benny "The Jet" Urquidez is a legend. A small guy but a power-house fighter. In his hey-day he was unbelievable. A true gentleman but don't pick on him. LOL!
Cheers from Down Under!
@@Nordicroo Thanks for the friendly conversation. Not enough folks have the decorum and perspective to just engage in a friendly conversation about anything on the internet anymore. I appreciate you, sir.
Strike is best but when you fight a judoka that seeks to cling on you, your strikes must be shocking powerful and accurate in the first part of the fight. Because you don't want the 2nd part of the fight on the ground. Fighting a judoka is tricky even for experience fighters as wu-shu or muay thai. You must overwhelm them with punches, kicks and determination from the start to descourage any follow up situation resulting basically in choking because this is all they do. You may study accupresure points to get out of a choke as well. Or study some judo.
if you can strike well, that's all you need. fighting a judoka (provided you can strike well) is only tricky in regulated matches. that's why you never see it on the street or even in MMA
@@hazardeurLmao I can send you a whole compilation of Judo being used on the street rn. Also it most definitely is used in MMA, all of the best grapplers in MMA use judo/ judo techniques.
@@tdreloaded so you're telling me if ou have to fight a street fight vs an undisclosed amount of enemys, and you could be a master at one martial art, judo would be your choice?
i'm not saing judo is useless. as you sa, some of the techniques are universallyy used and some of the finishers are deadly, IF you can use them. the problem with judo is that it just works best in a regulated environment. imagine the guy has a weak t-shirt on or no shirt at all, mabe even sweaty. that alone takes away some of your possibilities already. also, you need to go close up, which you usually want to avoid with people that fight dirty and if theres more than 1 enemy, he just needs to hold on to you and you're fucked.
of course a judoka master is gonna own a lot of situations but that needs to be one god damn street fight experienced situational awareness master judoka
@@hazardeur Combat would be my last resort anyway. Id try to flee 1st but if that doesn’t work i’d resort to using martial arts. I never said judo is ALL u need. To be well rounded u need good striking n good grappling so if a person does judo i’d probably recommend they’d learn basic boxing fundamentals to be able to apply their judo in a real life situation. Also, I think everyone regardless how of good they are is absolutely fucked in a situation where there are more than 2 ppl. There’s no martial art in the world that will make u prepared to fight 3 or more ppl. IMO I feel as if Judo is a very good option for self defense because you can execute a throw without having to go to the ground n u also don’t necessarily need a grip to do so. There are throws that don’t require a GI to be performed. You can come up with any scenario n use it against judo but u do realize I can do the same right? What if you’re in a really cold environment where people are wearing heavy ass winter jackets? Judo would be absolutely amazing. Regardless if i’m a very good Judoka and i’m going up against somebody with no grappling experience and no fighting experience in general and they just happen to be wearing no shirt at all. The Judoka is probably still going to win. Anyways I’m interested in what u feel as if they best martial art in a street fight/ self defense situation would be?
In my experience a past amateur boxer and 5 year bjj practitioner, close the distance with solid strikes, when they clench...get underhooks, takem to the ground and just drive their head into the pavement whilst slamming your elbow into the back of their head. With the right mindset, boxing and bjj are lethal combos in any altercation
‘… in general those people suck…’, so true. Well said.
Hubris and self-aggrandisement goes to the shitter after the first strike.
De-escalate, avoid, respect….
It always depends on the circumstances
Grappling in the streets is extremely risky because it puts you close enough to get stabbed or you can get jumped while on the ground
The best self defense is evasion
The best fighting style is whatever is available at that moment to hit
But the main concern is to survive
Best way to survive is to be aware, find a escape and take it
Best survival technique is to run away , it's how the Shaolin monks are trained
Yeah cause boxing doesn't put you in range at all..
@@guy229 with Boxing you don't have to latch to your attacker and grapple. You manage distance, you hit on a fraction of a second, you get distance again. That's superior for most self defense scenarios, although there are some situations in which grappling is more convenient. A fight with your drunk brother in law during a wedding, for example.
@@MarcosAG90 have you ever trained in judo?
@@guy229 from 6 to 14. Have you ever trained Boxing or any striking?
@@MarcosAG90 from 12 onward, yes.
Boxing and Wrestling are king for the streets
Just started judo now and it's scary sparring with the experienced guys. My instructor threw me and I wasn't expecting it, thinking he would stop short, and silly me didn't breakfall properly and it fking hurt like hell.
Martial arts is not about fighting but about self control
Love Joe when he talks about stuff he knows. Having a balance of ground and stand up controls like judo, Hapkido, and Japanese ju jitsu. Chances are if you get into a fight, they have friends- don’t want to be stuck on the ground when their friends jump in.
Muay thai is better. The clinch is grear for controlling people
Problem is that trad jj and others most often dont do live sparring
@@yeahbee8237 some don’t. I teach Hapkido and we do live sparring all the time.
I started Krav Maga around 4 years ago, I did it to help quit smoking, improve my fitness and gain increased confidence in having to ever defend myself or my family.
I'm a retired Detective from the UK, so had always been around violence to varying degrees on a weekly basis.
I was also used to having to use violence to achieve certain outcomes.
For me I just wished I'd started Krav 30 years ago because it would have helped me in so many encounters I'd been in.
For me, knowing how to deal quickly and forcefully with a knife to my front or back or someone swinging a bat at me is the real World scenario that I've encountered before.
Yes it's basic stuff, it has to be to make it more accessible for everyone and yes it may upset many for its relatively short existence and taking from other systems but I just cannot understand the level of animosity folks have towards it, its bizarre?
You strike, block, defend and disarm and also learn how to get away, what's the issue?
One of the members of my club does BJJ and he had no answer to the knife disarm from behind against an ATM. Nothing wrong with that but it illustrates the point, you chose what you practice for your own purpose or experience and no one system is better than another, how could that even be measured?
Quit the moaning, enjoy your training and just let people get on and do what makes them happy.
Best Krav magav guy can beat a bad jj guy and best jj guy can beat a bad Krav Magav guy. It depends on how hard individual trains on their respective martial arts, not to mention Krav magav is used in army. It's better to study different types of martial arts and make your own combo. They are not useless, if you train right and apply it. But even we'll trained guys advice to not engage anyone if they have knife, it's dangerous, doesn't matter what you learned. Each martial arts have their strength and weakness. Yeah, some people like to take sides, they attach it to their identity and feel attacked if anyone says bad about it.
@cruelworld1902 agree. Interestingly there's a 5th Dan Japanese Jiu Jitsu at my club who has just started Krav to learn a new system, his skills are incredibly impressive. Each to their own I say and just enjoy whatever it is you're learning, there's no best or worst, just what fits 👍
The problem with having a live and let live attitude is that Krav Maga people always insist that theirs is the ultimate style and that other styles are not as 'realistic' or 'effective'. Which is ridiculous on the face of it.
@@cruelworld1902 - not to mention Krav magav is used in army- In which context, it's a weapon of last resort which is only used when all else fails. Not to mention that military Krav Maga and the 'civilian' style are totally different in technique and mentality.
@@davidemelia6296 "Krav Maga people" Not every Krav Maga person claims that. Many are humble people who just wanna learn.
Decades ago I trained TKD with a high level master. The master was also 4th degree judoka. He said on the street I’ll throw my opponent on concrete rather than strike.
In actual combat, wrestling and boxing is used the most.
Boxing and wrestling will definitely take you a long way. You could conceivably be very successful in MMA with training in those martial arts only.
Training muy Thai and learning how to punch, elbow, kick, and knee, will be more effective in a fight than training boxing and learning how to punch
@@bobross4447 Not really. Look at best UFC HWS, Cain, Stipe, Frankie....it's all just boxing and wrestling combos. Boxing is a more direct route and a punch to the face will end a fight quicker than a leg kick. We've seen that in MMA, most fights don't end by leg kick. They end with head punches.
@@iorekby good ufc fighters throw elbows knees and kicks, not just punches. If boxing was more effective they would only ever throw punches. You still punch people in the face in muy Thai.
@@bobross4447 But boxing is a better system for punching people in the face and avoiding punches.
Again, numbers don't lie. Look at how many fights end with punches to the head vs leg kicks or knees to the head.
Muay Thai is legit, it's just not massively better than boxing for some fighters. Sometimes boxing is a better choice.
I was slammed on the ground by a judo black belt so hard I fractured my elbow, I weigh 94kg, he is around 80kg and he just slammed me like nothing.
whats a Kg?
@@billsmith5433 kilogram / kilo.
@@lightworker2956 How many feet is that?
I think that it was and would be kind of inpractical in some scenarios like in case when surface is not flat. Plus there is also issue of what if there are more then one opponents? Then going down on a ground is practicly suicide. For me it looks like those are the important elements why it was not used so often and traditional styles dont have those to such extent but it was later developed especially for practice in a dojo, gym or other place like that. Im not trying to say its bad I believe its very good but have certain disadvantages.
Judo us perfect for any self defense situation, although a little boxing knowledge can help.
Boxing & Judo… Judo & Boxing…
Is that an effective combo?
@@12shah74 In the streets, definitely… In an octagon, I personally say yes.
@@AlwonDomz Wrestling or judo which is better for streets. Judo has higher throws i think and is upright stance
As a martial artist, this is my ranking of the best martial arts you can learn
1. Gracie Jiu-jitsu (there is nothing better all around)
2. Muay Thai/lethwei
3. How to fight with a handgun (Not just pulling the trigger, but actual high-level training, tactics, shooting on the move, retention etc.)
If I had to leave out one of these it would be the striking.
Muay Thai is striking you poser
@@emmanuelalderete I know. I’ve been doing it for 30 years jackass.
Yeah I agree with emmanuelalderete you are likely a UFC fan not a Martial Artist. There are tons of styles better than your bog standard Muay Thai + BJJ combination with no wrestling/takedown defense. Ones that incorporate striking with throws takedowns and grappling. For example Sanda, or Kudo, or Dutch Kickboxing or Japanese Kickboxing or hell how about just about any MMA class ever?!
People like you who think MMA is Muay Thai + BJJ never get very far in BJJ in particular because you don't have the diciplin or understand that martial arts takes years to get good at, instead you want to enter the cage without putting in the hard work. Then you realize in order to get good at Muay Thai or BJJ it takes years and years of dedicated practice then you find out really quickly martial arts aren't what you thought they were.
Judo is one of those martial arts that'll have your opponent wondering what just happened to them 😆
I think the best self defense martial arts to learn are these:
10. Gracie Jiujitsu
9. Muay Thai
8. Kyokushin and/or offshoots
7. Judo
6. Dutch Kickboxing
5. Lethwei
4. Shootboxing
3. Sambo
2. Sanda
1. Kudo
Minimum weakpoints, maximum strongpoints. That's been my view of martial arts self defense for a long time.
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I’ve learned enough jujitsu to beat most Marines i spar with or at least control them. So I’m currently studying boxing and plan doing judo when I get back from deployment. That’s gonna be my base. Striking to setup and avoid throws.
The problem with Krav Maga is that it cannot be practiced close enough to reality. The advantage of combat sports used for self-defense, is that they can be practiced against a fully resisting opponent very close to reality. When this is removed from the training methodology, there is no way to know that what is trained is actually functional.
Even if you could you wouldn't, the original creator's whole philosophy was one man one punch. Guy comes you kick him in the nuts, guy kicks you, you break his knee, guy comes in to punch, you deflect and punch him at the same time. There's never a plan for when you miss. I think the art was never designed to spar, but was more relying on the fact that it's not well known and you only have to kick a guy in the nuts once, it's not like MMA where you study your opponents and think of counter strategies, have rematches etc etc.
@@geraltofrivia2570 Except, real fights don't work that way. I used to bounce in bars. They just ... don't.
@@MrMZaccone If you're fit, it works well enough against your average bum/junkies since you do practice kicking/punching against some bag like materials and the defense against punches or kicks when someone comes towards you, choreographed as it may be, does well enough to build some accuracy and understanding of distance in fights. You won't meet judo masters on the streets looking for trouble and i don't think it was intended for that anyways.
But i get what you're saying and agree.
@@geraltofrivia2570 You'll meet drunk high school wrestlers on the street and get your ass handed to you if you try to use Krav Maga against one.
So glad to hear Joe talking sense about Krav Mag. All that stuff is choreography and depends on you knowing exactly what your opponent is going to do. I was once watching a Ju jitsu class once and they were taking turns practicing a really impressive defence against a line-up of attackers throwing a right hand punch. It all looked super impressive until the fourth or fifth bloke got the choreography wrong and threw a left-hander and completely dropped the guy in the middle taking the line-up. It wasn't even funny at the time.
You should see Jim Careys karate instructor skit on IN LIVING COLOR,the 90s show. (He gets hurt,I'll say that)
If you are learning a martial art you are supposed to train both left and right.. it just tends to be most people are right handed so left hand attacks get neglected. If you train completely you should be able to deal with it. Nothing ever is a guarantee.. your brain has to process what's going on and you just have to deal with it the best you can.. training just helps you to deal better than without.
Not quite sure what your point here is though. Someone practicing a certain technique has someone present a random attack and they get caught out. These training methods are not sparring, it is repetitive training allowing you a chance to refine the actual technique on a range of body types. Watch the more free form training of higher grades and there is no choreography.. at least there shouldn't be.. if there is they are not training properly.
@@jimstartup2729 You make my point for me, Jim, every real-life attack is a 'random' attack. Yes, of course, a student has to learn the basic technique but I believe that such choreography as I witnessed, under the tutalidge of a 'professor' no less, simply creates a misplaced sense of confidence, which in itself can be dangerous.
@@davidmckeown9936 my point is that's not the whole training, that's just the beginning.. an intermediate level building the skill of the technique themselves, as you get more advanced you develop the ability to adapt, be spontaneous and feel your way, based on how you are approached.. it's no longer a matter of "I could do this move now" you simply move out the way, avoid, block whatever and respond. You do something that just fits with what you are presented with, and how you are at that moment., You are able to switch between variations of techniques you know quickly should you feel something is not working. It very much becomes about feel.. That takes a lot of time and constant training.
That didn't really start to happen for me till I was a brown belt, and perhaps that's also because the training expands more to things like just dealing with multiple people attacking and an anything goes, approach.
The guys you watched were still very much at the beginning of learning the art. As a black belt now I don't consider myself good.. I merely realise how much better I could be, and how much there still is to learn.. the process of learning and improving doesn't end..
Judo is great. It's fun to practice, keeps you healthy and strong. It also helps you make new friends with good people. I practice Jiu-Jitsu and we do a bit of Judo too.
❤❤❤loved Joe's last comment.
As a martial artist i can relate, this is my rank of best effectiv sports:
1 Judo (they can kill you)
2 Jiujitsu (Traditionnal)
3 Muay Thai
4 Wrestle
5 Kyokushin karate
As a martial artist, this is my ranking of the best martial arts you can learn
1. Gracie Jiu-jitsu (there is nothing better all around)
2. Muay Thai/lethwei
3. How to fight with a handgun (Not just pulling the trigger, but actual high-level training, tactics, shooting on the move, retention etc.)
If I had to leave out one of these it would be the striking.
I loved judo wrestling and bjj but as soon as I incorporated wing Chun it all came together.
The unorthodox striking as well as short trips and hand traps all came together to make a deadly style.
Between my experience with all 4 martial arts I walk into any situation with my head up
Take an mma fight. You will never train wing chun again.
@@statictech7 and whys that?
Hand traps/pummeling for clinch work short trips.
Spinning backfist, rock smash.
I've fought MMA and I've done all my grappling arts with some of the best.
Think I know a little more than you
Grappling as a whole but he started with saying jiu jitsu and wrestling mainly ❤️
I sent my son to catholic school for the education. 5 years of intense high level training in wrestling and he is an 18 year old assassin. If he gets his hands on you and your a "krav maga" whatever the f**k master then youre a dead man. High School wrestling in Louisiana is serious stuff.
did the Catholic school teach that?
Nah Ohio, PA, NJ HS wrestling is better. But even HS wrestling has its limits like you not allowed to pick up opponent.
Thats what I want to read. Wrestling (freestyle) all the way.
@@Fury851 They are secretly training the new Templars 😎😁
Can your son stop a bullet or a knife?
It's a matter of perspective:
- If you dedicate your life to martial arts - yes you can reach a high level in this art.
- If your goal is to increase people's chance to successfully defend themselves with a moderate amount of effort like training soldiers for combat or people that don't want the life-long sport but just some self defence skills Krav Maga and other modern self defence systems may be the way to go. But it depends. If your scenario isn't fighting for your life but to defend against a drunk teenager you don't want to cripple for the rest of his life Krav Maga is the worst there is.
By the way that's my biggest problem with Krav Maga: It is too brutal for many situations average civilians have. I did Judo. I can lay most persons on their back with me in full mount if I want without hurting them, it's a good moment to renegotiate the necessity to continue this.
Violence defeats violence... exception God given athleticism sometimes..some people are just freaky fast strong powerful..