2023 Fischer Ranger Ski Collection Development, Overview, and First Thoughts with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- Fischer contacted us about 2 years ago and asked if we wanted to provide input as they developed a new line of Ranger skis. 2 years, multiple rounds of prototyping and testing, lots of flights, and 5 skis later, we're psyched to share the new collection.
Written Article: www.skiessentials.com/Chairli...
00:00 - Intro
1:30 - Development and Testing Story
9:40 - Construction Overview
15:40 - Ranger 90
18:40 - Ranger 96
21:35 - Ranger 102
25:20 - Ranger 108
28:40 - Ranger 116
I think these “collection” videos are really valuable.
Thanks Joe! We plan to continue doing them, especially as manufacturers release entire new collections like this.
Your reviews are the best!
Guys, that didn’t seem long at all! I always enjoy your reviews, and that’s coming from a tele skier. Kudos to Fischer on the graphics. I love the simplicity and understatement. I’m looking forward to every one of your individual reviews. Be sure to do one for the fat boys! And also Bob in the bumps!
Love the Bianchi ones. This is a colour that immediately makes you feel good.
I agree 100% Tony. I know a lot of skiers are bummed about the pink ski being gone, but I LOVE this new color.
I bought the 116 partly based on your reviews, so thanks. Great reviews without getting too boring. (Ie blister). Good job
Thanks for the feedback!
I just want to demo each one of these skis. They look 100% up my alley
I hope you have that opportunity! Each one is a lot of fun for its own reason.
That was the fastest 32mins in my life, I need to try a pair of those 116's in a powder bowl at Whistler! They look mega
Yeah that would be the ideal application.
damn I was at winterpark the day yall were testing these. they looked fun AF!
Sweet! Super fun skis.
Very cool you had some input on these. I have to say I'm a bit skeptical of merging the two lines. I liked that you could tailor the focus of your skiing towards piste or off-piste with the old lines. I weigh as much as Bob and a case of beer and I'm not sure if the new ones would be strong enough for me. I also really liked the carbon tip and neon graphics of the old ones. I bought the 99ti's off you guys and love them so I should be good for a while. Thanks for all the great videos -and skis!
You (big powerful skier) are probably the best example of someone who may prefer the outgoing 99 because of the stiffer tail.
Im getting a yellow one for sure
Oh boy is this great
Awesome overview of the whole range of ranger skis! Thanks Jeff and Bob!
Thanks Mason! Hope you're well.
Celeste is such an awesome color. Tip of the hat to Bianchi.
I agree! Looks even better popping off white snow.
Hey this is unrelated to this video but I just wanted to say thank you guys! With the help of your videos I was able to put together the perfect resort/backcountry setup for me. Thanks for all the info and great videos. I went with the Atomic Backlands/Salomon Shifts/Scarpa Maestrale RS
Awesome! Glad we could help. That's an awesome setup you have now!
Great reviews and very helpful! I am hoping you can provide a recommendation also. 6ft 220lbs intermediate skier looking for a Ski to progress in all areas, EU resort, side kicks and trees, wanting to learn some tricks and jumps, with some close off piste runs. Narrowed it down to Unleashed 98, ranger Fr 94/102, Black crows camox and holyshred. Like twin tip, laid back playful style. Appreciate your videos and time put into helping us out!
Hello! All of those skis could work nicely for what you're looking to do. I'd probably rule out the Ranger 94 as you won't get as much soft snow versatility out of that ski. Unleashed, Ranger 102, Camox, or Holyshred would all be great. Unleashed and Holyshred feel like they have the most park influence to me. Camox and Ranger feel slightly more directional. I've been skiing the Unleashed 98 personally the past couple weeks and absolutely loving it, although I like the rest of those skis too. That probably doesn't help as much as you were hoping, but you've narrowed it down to a great list already.
love the colors and graphics! hope they use that for the GT line too (and change that tip too : ) ). the snow has been so hard here (California) i think we have to redefine "east coast " ski
Too boring. Expecially in comparison with Bents
@@todd5012 I feel like we're seeing two different perspectives in the industry right now, at least in terms of graphics. Sometimes it feels like it's either super bright and wild or simple and muted, with little in between.
The new 102 will probably make it's way into my buying decision this year between the enforcer 104 free or unlimited. Hoping you throw in some comparisons for the full review!
When it comes time for the Ranger 102 review, we'll definitely talk about how it compares to other skis. It's a fantastic, well-rounded ski. The type of ski that feels like it takes different elements from a lot of skis we like and combines them into one really good ski.
The Ranger 94 FR at 177cm is probably the best all mountain/freeride oriented ski I ever shredded on. I'm having the time of my life in the Alps in all sorts of conditions.
The 2023 line seems like a completely new approach from Fischer on its freeride range, can't wait!!!
Just bought the 2022 94FR. Also ride in the alps. How would you describe the on-piste performance? I live in Germany and ski about 3 weeks a season, so I dont have the opportunity to ride fresh powder all the time. So on-piste performance/edge grip/ carving is as important for me as playing around, riding off-piste, doing 180,s and stuff.
Do you think the ski suits me well?
Got to test them in 2 weeks, so stoked
@@felixwild7414 regarding on piste performance I can tell you it will blow your mind
@@danielmattos7975 thanks, cannot wait to try them out!
@@felixwild7414 Playful, agile, forgiving are the first three words that come in my mind. Enjoy it my friend, you'll be blown away!
While Celeste may be an awesome ski color, I made the mistake, yrs ago, of painting our master bedroom what I thought was a great green color. A few strokes into it, looking at the wall, I prayed it would dry differently - unfortunately nada - I had a bedroom that looked like old-school Crest Toothpaste - I didn't even wait until the next day to buy new paint and go with some version of grey. Skis allow, especially bases that look that great, allow for unique colors - bedrooms do not. Fischer reaching out to you guys was brilliant.
Thank you so much for sharing this experience. I now know what bedroom colors to avoid!
wow.. i can definitely see the racing background... i would have loved to hangout and test skis with all of you...
You were talking about the 90s and being 170cm.. My race skis that I use early season are 25 year old K2 MODs that are 170cm by 70mm.. That was an all mountain ski back in the day.. I still love these things.. I had my first wipeout of the year on them.. There was a ton of people and a snowboarder came out of nowhere and I just jumped out of the way.. If I was on my Stocklis I would have just blasted right through him..
You compared the 108s to the QST 106 and said they were too much of a ski for some people and I would agree..
Cool review.. Cool that you had your input into the building of the skis..
I did also watch your reviews of the 116 and 96. Would you say that with how they have the titanol in the skis that the skis like to twist? I know you said flex pattern but twisting is different and I would like to know if twisting is good or bad?
They really dropped the ball on not adding a pink color to the 102 :(
I let your first thoughts simmer for a while -- back to this with fresh eyes. The 96 is really compelling -- my list of mid-90 all-terrain all-stars (Atomic Maverick 95, Volkl M6, BC Serpo,) just got a new member. An aspect of current skis that I haven't really heard you discuss is the actual build quality; with the exception of Stokli ("they're more expensive, but they're made very well"), I do not recall this topic getting air time. I therefore have come to assume that (1) you do not bother reviewing or recommending skis that are not well made, and (2) manufacturers are meeting an expected quality standard. Fischer, Atomic, Volkl have been at it for a long time, and Black Crows (via Elan?) seem to make a damn fine ski as well. But I'll put my assumptions to the test here: Is this Ranger 96 (and Maverick, M6, Serpo) in the same build class, or are there standouts amongst these four skis? As always, thank you -
Hey Curtis!
Great questions. I'll answer them individually, then explain a little more... 1) We certainly wouldn't recommend them, and it's rare that we review something that's not well made, but it's happened before. Rarely, but it does happen... 2) The reason why it's rare is because the ski industry in general is in a really good place right now. Most manufacturers have excellent quality standards and really good quality control. You've probably heard it before, but almost no one makes a "bad ski" anymore. Even just 5-10 years ago, there were far more "bad skis" than there are now.
Ranger 96 is certainly in the same build class as the Maverick, M6, Serpo, etc. Fischer has one of the best factories in the world and they make skis for a lot of different brands too. You'll see some of the highest quality in the industry from Fischer for sure. Volkl has some manufacturing technology that's extremely impressive, but Fischer is certainly right there in the same conversation with them, Atomic, Elan, etc.
Well, was about to pull the trigger on the pink FR102s in 191 for an 80/20 resort-touring ski. Would you still recommend the new Ranger 102 as a tool that could serve in some limited touring situations? Weight isn't a huge concern because I would not be doing any major touring with this ski, mainly dawn patrolling and side country access. Sounds like the new 102 will still serve as a great option for softer/deeper days here in VT. Keep up the great work SE! Your content is awesome!
Hey Lane! Sorry for the delay getting back to you. Yes, definitely, plenty of people are going to use the new 102 for some touring situations. Kyle Smaine from Fischer has been doing that a bunch already and loving it. You will start to see remaining pink 102s at a discounted price soon, so something to consider, but the new ski is really great and would work super well for what you're looking to do.
Wish they had something in the upper 160's. 162 is a tad short and for a daily driver I like something under 170. A 166 or 67 would be perfect. I can ski longer skis just fine, I just find that mid to upper 160's lemgth to be the perfect length as a 5'8 155 pound guy.
I own many skis, but 94fr is the most fun ski I have ever skied on hands down. The only very dissapointing thing is that the edges are very thin (1.4 to 1.6 mm ) compared to K2 skis (2.3mm) which makes me hesitant to ski in technical terrain, so I hope they have improved this and made the edges thiiiiiiick as any edge on a freeride ski should be !
That's a great question. I'll have to check on edge thickness, but my initial impression is that these new Rangers should be a little more durable than the outgoing ski, a lot of that has to do with having a full sidewall now.
Gents thanks for the sneak peak and early review. Jeff, since you spent time on the 102, where does it fall in line with the Declivity 102TI as far as edge hold, specifically in the tails? I know the composition of the 2 skis are different but can’t help but compare the 2 since they’re virtually the same in dimensions.
I actually think that's a really good comparison. Couple differences, however. Overall, I would say edge hold in the tails is about the same between them, but they feel different. The metal extends further into the tail in the Declivity, but the rocker is longer. So, I think it's fair to say the Declivity tail is stronger, but there's a longer effective edge in the Ranger, which kind of negates the stronger Declivity tail, if that makes sense. Then it comes down to what that does to their feel. Rangers feel more responsive, energetic, and snappier out of the tail. Declivity feels surfier, I would say slightly heavier, and more damp. It's definitely an interesting comparison and I'm glad you brought it up. I'm going to try to line up skiing them back to back sometime this spring...
Excellent review, guys! BUT what is the difference between 21/22 Ranger 102 and the new 22/23 version(weight, shape, overall stiffness and torsional stiffness, flex of the different parts, behavior...and so on)? I'm concerned about the redesign. The Pink/Blue 21/22 version is one of the best ever skis, I have driven. Extraordinary, awesome, extra-everything! SO, please, make some comment about this, because on the video these questions are not discussed enough! Thanks, in advance!
Agree. Very hard to get any value from this video without any such commentary.
Pretty sure Jeff said several times that this is a smoother model; specifically in the 102. New model reduces potential chatter found in the old Carbon shovel for wood resulting in a little more dampness without sacrificing too much weight gain. He also indicated a potential trade-off a rider may be giving up on the new model was a lean towards a freestyle ability.
Mind you, this was not a full blown comparison video, just an official release sneak peak.
Ok, our apologies. I think we mentioned a few times that this wasn't really intended to be a full review, just a quick look at the new skis and a discussion of our involvement. We'll be doing a full-length, in-depth review of the 102 and we'll definitely be spending a lot of time on the differences between the two 102s. We'll do full reviews of the 96 too, and potentially the 90 or 108 as well. All of these will be in our 2023 Ski Test too, so you'll learn a lot of details in those videos and write-ups and get feedback from a ton of different people who have skied both 102s.
As hotskillet pointed out, we did mention the difference in feel between the carbon nose ski and this ski with more wood and metal. It's also more directional. More directional shape, weight is about the same, the new ski feels slightly softer to me overall, but torsional stiffness feels the same, or actually probably better in just the underfoot portion of the ski. The tips and tails of the new ski feel softer and more supple to me.
Hope that helps!
Great review! I'm glad this video came out. I'm a big fan of Fischer skis .I do have some questions.
-How would you compare the new 96 to the older mint colored My Ranger 96 TI or even last years My Ranger 99TI? Did I understand correctly that the new 96 they removed the carbon nose and its all wood.
-would you recommend a more forward mounting point for females in the 90/96 like the older versions ?
Thanks !
Correct, no carbon, full wood core. The metal in the 96 is longer and more to the edges versus the 102, 108, 116, but shorter than in the 90. It's more flexible than the older 96 Ti, and especially in that carbon-free shovel. It's a bit more well-rounded, I think, and more predictable from tip to tail, while keeping strong grip underfoot. For mount point, I don't think it's as easy as a blanket male/female separation. If you know that you like your bindings a bit forward, I don't think I'd go past +2 from the line--the ski seems pretty well balanced, and you might be putting more metal to the tail, and less to the front, if that makes sense.
Are the tails a bit more forgiving and easy to release overall?? That's my biggest concern about the previous line being an intermediate. Love the content!
Across the board, yes, I think that's fair to say about all of them. It's especially noticeable in the 90 vs the 92 and the 96 vs the 99, but I do think the new 102 is easier to release than the 102FR, and the 108 is definitely easier than the 107 Ti.
Really loved the concept of the pink 102. How does the 2023 102 compare to the origin 101? Holyshred? I also have interest in your more stable at speed and damp twin/semitwin tip with a waist with of 95-102? Thanks for all the great videos!!!
Probably somewhere in between the Origin and Holyshred in overall feel and performance. Stronger and more damp than a Origin, but lighter and definitely quicker than a Holyshred... Very well rounded ski, good blend of quickness and stability. Not the strongest ski in the world, but strong enough for most skiers, similar to the outgoing 102FR.
Very nice looking skis. I was wondering what the 90 gains or loses from not having beach wood in the core. Is there a noticeable difference in performance? How long do you think until you get more of the popular lengths back in stock? Also does the 90 have similar abilities to release the tail edge like the 94fr did?
The 90 feels noticeably quicker than the 96. Feels a little lighter on your feet and very agile. It's interesting, because the metal is longer, but I think dropping the beach wood makes it feel lighter and with s more energetic flex pattern. It's not exactly the same as the 94FR in terms of edge release, but they have similar maneuverability benefits.
Thanks for getting this review out so quickly! How would you compare the 102s to the Atomic Maverick 100 Ti? I’m 48 yo, definitely advanced, aspiring expert skiing White Pass and sometimes Crystal here in Washington, so interested in your sizing recommendations. Thanks!
Hi Brian! I would say that's one of those conversations where the two skis basically accomplish the same thing, but feel different while doing so. The Maverick is snappier and more energetic in its flex pattern, which makes it feel a little more responsive. The Ranger is more supple and has more vibration damping. It's still very quick too, it's just not as reactive as the Maverick. That feeling carries through most of Atomic's skis, they're all very responsive and agile. The Ranger is smoother, but still is easy to flick around too, just doesn't feel as energetic.
Happy to make a sizing recommendation... what's your height and weight?
Would really like your opinions on the new 108 vs the old 107ti. Realize you talked some about it in the video but do you feel the 108 has anywhere near the stability of the old 107? I love that 107ti for how confident you can be at speed in variable conditions.
Hey Kenny! Quick answer is yes, it is still pretty close to the 107 in its overall stability. The tail doesn't feel as stiff, but the ski still feels very strong. We'll certainly have more to say about that once we get it in the terrain and snow conditions we want...
I wonder if Ranger 90 is going to be something similiar to the new Kendo? Their approach for implementing titanal in the skis seems to be somewhat similiar - its removed where it doesn’t necessaraly need to be.
Not quite. It's lighter and softer flexing than the Kendo. The Kendo will certainly be a stronger carving ski, but the Ranger 90 will be far quicker in moguls and stuff like that without sacrificing too much on the carving side...
Great review….. was considering either the current Ranger 92ti or the Black Crows Serpo. Now I’m wondering if I should wait and get on the new Ranger 90. Thoughts? Ski primarily vermont- all mountain skier.
Ranger 92 and Serpo are both a little stronger in how they finish a turn. Stiffer tails, so you can push them a little harder. Ranger 90 is more agile than both of them, however, especially noticeable in bumps and stuff like that, but you can still ski it relatively hard too. Just not as much "oomph" as the 92 or Serpo. You could, however, consider going to the Ranger 96. Not much wider than the 92 or Serpo and despite having shorter metal, does feel a little stronger to me than the 90. Hope that helps!!
Fantastic review! I think you said the 102 falls between the Enforcer unlimited and the Enforcer 104 free? Where does the old 102FR falls in that mix? Im currantly on the older Ranger 108Ti 15/16 model wich suppost to be a little easier than the 107, right? I am now downsizing and tested the 102FR but want something a little bit better in windpack and chopt up difficult snow. Is the new 102 that ski?
The 102FR kind of falls in between them too, but I'd say it leans more towards the 104 Free. This new ski is easier to manipulate turn shape and feels quicker, without sacrificing stability at speed or vibration damping. Yes, the 107 got really stiff in the rail.
I think the new 102 does stay smoother in windpack and chopped up snow than the 102FR. It's more supple and smooth, kind of feels like it has suspension, where the FR was more reactive. I've skied the new 102 in a lot of mixed conditions and really enjoy its feel. Hope that helps!
Are the new 102s just as snappy and responsive in the trees as the old one? Also how do each of these skies compare (or at least the 102) to the old ranger line in terms of their weight?
Yes! I actually find it to be a little quicker in the trees. The tail also feels a little bit more friendly when things get really tight and technical, I love how quick it releases, without sacrificing precision.
Great video. I am an intermediate Midwest skier. My build is similar to Bob’s. Would you say the 96 in 180cm would be a good fit for me?
Yeah, that should work well for you!
My Volkl Mantra M6 skis look after all my on piste skiing, but I am looking for a directional ski that is more lively, and easier to release, than my current K2 Mindbender 108ti for big mountain, off piste skiing in Western Canada - navigating moguls, trees and steeps at moderate speeds; but I don’t want to sacrifice stability through chop and variable snow. I am considering the 2023 Ranger 108 (or maybe the 102 if I don’t have to give up too much float), the Nordica Unleashed 108, the Dynastar M-Free 108, or even the Blizzard Rustler 11. Advice on the relative merits of these alternatives? Thanks for the great reviews!
Hello! All good options there. I would say the Ranger 108 will feel closest to your current skis. Stable, powerful, but I do think they feel a little easier to release than the Mindbender. That ski can be a handful at times, while the Rangers feel lighter to me, which at least is reducing fatigue when making those quicker turns. Going through the rest of your list, I would say the Unleashed 108 is next in line. Not as strong as the Ranger 108, but pretty darn close, yet easier to pivot. The next ski I would say would be the Rustler 11, along the same path. Not as strong, easier to pivot. Then the M-Free 108 really starts to lean more towards the "easy to pivot, playful" side of the spectrum rather than the "stability through chop" side. Hope that helps!!
Can you expand on the comparison to the previous 102FR? Looks like they dropped the carbon nose, extended the wood to the tip and a bit more metal (previous just for mounting). Are they heavier, stiffer, is that rocker still "long and low"? The previous 102FR was so easy to turn and get on edge, but stable at high speed, not great on ice.
Hi Melissa! Weight is about the same. Flex pattern, I actually find the new 102 feels slightly softer. The Carbon Nose was quite stiff. That made the ski very responsive and quick, but could be pingy sometimes, or as you found, not tremendously great on really firm snow. There's more vibration damping and smoothness in this new ski, but there's still plenty of rocker too. To speak specifically to your comment, I find the new ski is just as easy to turn, just as easy to get on edge, but you gain some vibration damping, which I find makes them more comfortable at higher speeds. Hope that helps!
Hey Jeff, what size are you skiing in that Celeste 102? 176 or 183?
I've actually skied both quite a bit, but in a lot of the footage in here I'm actually on the 176. I've been really enjoying that length, especially in trees and spots like those bumps on Bypass. Super agile, and it's still relatively strong on a groomer for me. I'm not sure what I would do if I owned a pair... I'd have to think about it a lot, but there's a good chance I'd go 176. I would like to get a pair...
Can you ski switch on 90? Is the 90 a good option if, I'm looking for an all-mountain east coast ski. I'm like a 95% directional skier, but learning to go switch.
Hey Chris! Great option for that, yes. There's enough rise in the tail to play around with some switch skiing. Not really park capable, but you can ski switch on it.
Are the 96 and 102 rangers similiar to the salomon qst 98 ? What are the main differences ? Thanks so much for all your effort and just awesome job !
Hang loose from europe🤙🏼
Not really. Well, yes and no, but in my opinion, mostly no. The QST 98 has much longer rocker both in the tip and tail than even the Ranger 102. That gives it a more surfy feel, especially in softer snow conditions. The Rangers have more responsiveness and a longer effective edge, especially in the 96. That gives them a more precise feel on turn entry and they're a bit stronger overall, in my opinion, or at least better connectivity to the snow, which I think translates to more stability for most skiers.
Could you compare the new Ranger 102 with your favorite Enforcer 104 Free? Thx!
It's lighter and quicker than an Enforcer. Kind of like if you were to blend the performance of an Enforcer 104 Free with an Enforcer 104 Unlimited... The shaping is a little different, but I think that's a good way to think about it.
Would it still be worth it to get the 2022 92 Ti on sale instead of the new 2023 90? Is there a significant jump in performance? I'm a good skier, used to compete back in my teens, so my technique is solid. Been eyeing the 92 Ti for a while now
I am also thinking about the same thing but concidering 92Ti against the new 2023 Ranger 96?
@@tomasaro4910 it's a tricky choice, man. I have like 10-12 different skis I'm considering, but I'm very close to pulling the trigger on the 92 Ti soon. So many good options these days and there's gonna be some money to save on skis soon enough
The 92 Ti is still a very awesome ski. It's a little stiffer in the tail, but we love it. Have you seen the review we did on that ski last year? If you can find a pair on sale, I still think it's a great ski.
Nooo, where did my 94 FR go... How does the 94 FR compare to the new 96? Is it still as playful and versatile, also for switch?
Same question here
It's still very versatile and it's still playful, but it doesn't feel as comfortable skiing switch.
What’s the mount point for the ranger 108s? I got to demo them recently and loved them
Without measuring, I'd venture a guess it's about 7-8 cm back from true center, which is relatively normal for a directional ski. You could go a little further forward than that, but certainly don't need to. If you're looking for a specific measurement, let me know and I can put a tape measure to them.
Yo they do look good. The 108 really does make it in my list of potential n+1 for the quiver next year.
Do you think they'd be any good as a 70-30 touring powder to choppy powder day ski with a duke PT 12 ? Mostly resort but able to freetour them.
I'd ski them with dynafit radical pros.
Certainly not a main touring setup, I got blizzard zero g 85 with plum guides thanks to your advices !
(I'm 31, 5'10 and around 155-160 lbs, and already got ripsticks 88 daily drivers and rossignol hero short turn ti as carving skis, with hawx prime 120s boots).
I think that's a good match for your application. They do really well in softer snow for sure. They're not light, but it's all about sacrifice, and it sounds like you are aware of the give and take.
How would you compare the old 94 / 102 FRs in steep chutes and trees to the new shape and construction?
In trees, I think the new shape and build works better, but if you're looking for edge grip and stiffness in a jump turn style of skiing chutes, I'd prefer the older version. Overall, I think the new build in the 102, specifically, will work better for more skiers. Haven't gotten on the longer 96 yet, so I can't speak as well to that ski, but the 180 that I have skied isn't quite as grippy or snappy as the 94 FR.
Hi, many thanks for the interesting testing work you have realized with the new Ranger collection 2023. Is it possible to test/comment this range independently and without bias after having had opportunity to visit and co-developping Fischer Sports during almost one year? My second question: Since 2 years I have been driving the Ranger TI 99 wich is my absolute buddy in any snow conditions because the actual TI99 is very snappy, has a very neutral stand and has enough rocker to go deep and steep in new powder conditions. I had the opportunity to test the new 2023 96 Ranger and in comparison with the actual TI99 model, it feels less grippy and less precise in packed and hard snow. What is the test crew opinion regarding the comparison current and upcoming model. Likes/dislikes? I am looking forward to having a feedback. Thanks a lot. Daniel (Switzerland)
Hey Daniel!
Yes, absolutely. We'll never say anything like "these are the best." We pride ourselves on objectively analyzing skis. These new Rangers are extremely well-rounded, but there are certainly skis that outperform them in certain categories.
I agree, the 96 is a little looser than the 99Ti. They took some influence from the 94FR in its development. Kind of like if you blended the 99Ti and 94FR into one ski. Not as precise as the 99, but far more versatile.
I would say the major strength of this new line of Rangers is versatility. Where in the previous Ti and FR lines, you had to choose one strength over another (for example, choosing the 99Ti gave you great stability, but as the cost of some maneuverability in technical terrain). Now, you can simply choose a width and you can remain confident it's going to ski appropriately for the conditions and terrain that width is intended for. Does that make sense?
How does the Ranger 90 compare to the Mindbender 90ti (or new 89ti) and the Rustler 9. It seems more playful than the Mindbender, but would you say it has markedly better firm snow grip than the Rustler 9 (which is surprisingly good for its shape)? Also, how would you describe the skiing stance preferred by the ski? The Mindbenders liked to have its shovels driven, where as the Rustlers could be skied from a more centered stance.
It basically feels like a lighter Rustler to me. I think that's a better comparison than the Mindbender 90 or new 89. The shaping concept is pretty similar to a Rustler, but it definitely feels lighter on your feet. I think edge grip between the Rustler and Ranger 90 is basically even, hard for me to pick a winner there. Maybe Rustler just because it's a little heavier, but then the Ranger 90 feels noticeably quicker to me. Super fun and responsive in bumps, that's easily one of my favorite things about it. It prefers more of a centered stance, IMO, although I think you can drive the shovel a little more actively than the Rustler. Hope that helps!
Dude, awesome reply! Yall make it so much less stressful for someone living in GA to decide on which ski to buy!
no pink ski :(
Yeah the color ways on the 2022 skis both the pink and blue are superior to any of these 2023 ones, they definitely took a big step backward in style points for the coming year :(
@@brightonluke3280 I do like the blue bottoms of the wide ski but I'd say I dissapointed they aren't doing a twin tip style ski anymore.
Ok so for us 2021/22 Ranger owners can you name one thing the “old” 102 does better than the new? There has to be a negative trade off somewhere with the added metal? Maybe not???
There aren't many... but the previous 102 is a better ski for someone looking to mount it more centered. Its shape and construction supports more variety in mount points. I would also say it's a little more responsive with the stiffness of the Carbon Nose, but there's a downside to that too. More responsive, but also got deflected a lot more easily. The new 102 is still a very responsive ski overall, but it's smoother and doesn't react to things when you don't want it to, so to speak...
This line of skis really reminds me of the K2 Mindbender series. Am I right in thinking there are a lot of similarities?
Definitely. They have a similar mix of firm and soft snow performance. Definitely a different feel between them, Rangers feel more energetic to me, Mindbenders more damp, but they accomplish similar things.
How would you compare the 102s to Blizzard Rustler 10?
Similar overall in what they accomplish.. The 102 does feel quicker and more playful to me, however. There's still some freestyle influence in how it feels, I think more than the Rustler. That's a good question, however, and certainly something we'll talk more about when it comes time to do a full review.
Do you know the weight of the new Ranger 102 FR in comparison to the old.
Weights are actually pretty comparable from previous skis. We have the new weights listed on the written article: www.skiessentials.com/Chairlift-Chat/2023-fischer-ranger-skis-series-overview/
The new ski weighs 2060 in the 183, vs 2100 for the previous 184
@@src248 okay thanks so much! I weighed my 102 FR Rangers in 177 cm prior to mounting and they weighed 1890 grams and 1910 grams. Although they are listed at 2000 grams, after looking into it, seems like this is has been the case for many people.
I would be interested how the Ranger 96 compares to Blizzard Rustler 9? I have Brahmas 88, I like that gs feel on some days, but i like to ski steep treelines another day, where I find Brahmas tireing. I have ZeroG95s as well for touring. What is the difference in feeling Ranger vs Rustler? I am 188cm, 80kg Expert
HI Vladimir!
Rustler is considerably grippier and turnier while the Ranger likes to go a bit straighter and has more of a freeride flair to it. I'd prefer the Ranger if tight trees and bumps, as it is a bit more agile, but if I had to choose one for myself in an all-mountain format, I'd take the Rustler.
You have to do one of these for QST and Mantra.
Okay!
I'm in the market for an all mountain ski. Live in NW Montana. Need something that is stable enough for days where we don't have fresh powder that is still playful enough to handle tight turns in the trees. I'm thinking either the new Ranger or a Black Crows Camox. How do these compare?
Both would work really well. You'll get a little more vibration damping out of the Rangers, a little more stability at speed too. Camox has a softer flex and feels more playful with its more twin tip shape. Both are a lot of fun in the terrain you're describing.
hello do you have a particular ski that is very good for woods? great video !
I see you asked the same question on four different videos! As I mentioned in my other reply, focus on a ski that's relatively lightweight with good amount of tip and tail rocker and a responsive feel. These Rangers work great in the trees. 96 for lower snow ares, 108 if you live somewhere with a ton of snow, or 102 for everything in between!
What do you prefer ranger 102 or blade optic 104?
Ranger 102 is a more well-rounded ski, IMO. Blade Optic starts to feel more like a freeride, off-piste, soft snow specific tool. So, I suppose I prefer the Ranger 102 in most applications, but the Blade is sweet when you have it in the right terrain and on the feet of the right skiers.
How does the old Ranger 94 compare to the new 90 and 96 model in terms of carving? Is there a big difference?
Bought the Ranger 94 one week ago. I like that it carves pretty well, but is also very playfull and has that twintip shape to go switch.
Did I make a mistake with buying it? (Also got a pretty nice discount, that you dont get on the brand new skis)
You definitely did not make a mistake...I think ditching the 94FR was the mistake.
Got my pair of 94FR, what do you mean with ditching?
@@felixwild7414 i think he's referring to the fact that theres not a 94 in the new lineup
@@christianhill3160 Yeah, I was just making an assumption about the new Ranger line. I'm sure it's great, but I am sad to see the FR series go. The 94FR is such an awesome ski.
@@m.5051 That's great to hear, i've got a set of the 2022 94FR that im taking to the alps in a couple weeks, stoked to try them out!
Can't decide between the new Ranger 108, the new QST 106 and the Dynastar M-Free 108 :( any thoughts?
M-Free definitely has the most freestyle influence. Ranger 108 feels the strongest to me, most stable at speed and stuff like that. Still some playfulness to it, but not as quick or as agile as the M-Free. QST 106 kind of falls right in between in overall performance, in my opinion, although it does feel different as it has a shorter effective edge (more rocker/taper than both the Ranger or M-Free). Its strength in comparison to the Ranger comes from its stiffness, rather than a long effective edge. Hope that helps!
When are we going to get some of the on snow reviews for these?
We have the 96 and 102 staring at us on the rack, we'll hopefully get on them in the next week or so.
Also, how about the new Ranger 96 vs Enforcer 94?
Ranger 96 basically feels like a lighter, easier-to-ski Enforcer 94. It might not have the top-end capabilities of the Enforcer, but not a lot of skiers will reach that realistically... Ranger still supports some high speed, aggressive skiing, while being lighter and a little more playful. Enforcers have a lot more metal if you were to break down their construction side by side.
What's the difference between the teal and navy 102?
No difference, just 2 color choices. 2 colors for the 90, 96, and 102, but the skis are all the same.
How does the 108 compare to the DynastarM-Free 108?
The Dynastar has more of a freeride personality, that is, it's smearier, more playful, and driftier than the stouter Ranger. I love the Dynastar's ability to carve a clean turn on groomers in addition to it's preference for playing in soft snow. The Ranger is more of a plow that is strong and stable enough to rip through powder and crud all day long.
How would you compare ranger 90 with kendo 88?
Kendo is way more carving-oriented and precise. It has the feel of a race ski but in a wider and more versatile shape. The Ranger is energetic and snappy, but doesn't have the same feel in the tips and tails on firm snow. In soft snow, though, or bumps or trees, I'm much more excited about the Ranger than the Kendo.
Why all the 2023 skis so extra early this season??
Not really early at this point. Traditionally trade shows are in late January then the public starts to learn about them in February. We did have some early, early releases this year, but we're kind of back to a normal schedule now.
Wide skis for modest-sloped hardpack.
I think that accurately describes the 90 and 96, although there's certainly some versatility to those skis too.
What is the ski between the 102 and the white 108 ? It's dark blue. You held it but never told us what it is. Did I miss something ?
It's the 102 as well--comes in both teal and dark blue.
Tell them to bring back the PINK!
A huge oversight, in our opinions as well.
Okay... Soo now im between the 2023 ranger 96 or the 2023 blizzard rustler 9!?
if you love to play around on the side of groomers in the soft or chopped up snow and then lay down a few hot laps, the rustler 9 is a gem. One of the most versatile skis i've ever been on
@@jglads21 ahhh im so on the fence haha ive heard so much good about the rustler 9 for being versatile. I like making quick turns but also let the skis rip a little faster and long turns. I ski in Pennsylvania and occasionally take trips to Vermont. Wondering how they will work if its gets really icy
Oh boy that's a good one! There's longer tail rocker in the Rustler, so that's something to consider for sure. I think most skiers will find the Rustler a little looser, while the Ranger 96 is a little more precise...
I’m a bit torn. I love my pink 102 FRs but hearing Jeff (who I know loves the pink ski gang life) say the new 102 is an improvement… it stings a bit. Don’t leave our gang, Jeff
Matt, you are not alone. I am not sold on the new 102 over the current FR. It's a different ski by most metrics, including experience. I don't think it's better or worse. This may be your last chance at a pink ski forever: www.skiessentials.com/2022-fischer-ranger-102-fr-skis.html#color=998
Double Reply! I (Jeff) am a bit torn as well. Love the pink ski, love the freestyle capabilities, but something about the new 102 makes me feel like a better skier, and I just can't ignore that.
The 2037 skis will be out in a few months time.
Me: Finally finds the perfect ski for me, both in how it skis, and how it looks.
Ski company: Let's change it!
Me: 😭
I hope these ski as well as the previous generation, because the color ways are certainly not inspiring confidence, they went from amazing shades of pink and blue to... bland grey and hideous mustard and toothpaste, and that army green does not go with the toothpaste color at all. Fingers crossed the 2024's look cooler. Skis are mostly about how they ski, but never underestimate the added joy looking cool adds!
I’m in agreement with you on the color/graphics of these 2023’s. They just don’t pop for me and I will pass on the 2023 line for that reason. (Current owner of blue 2021 Ranger 102 FR’s bought mainly for western tree skiing on pow days. I love everything about these skis.) Top skin wise I had the same problem with the old Nordica Enforcer 88’s but they ski so damn good I bought them anyways. Regardless of the miss for me on these 2023’s graphics wise I really like what Fischer is doing design wise. Fischer skis were off my radar screen since my racing days until the pink and blue Ranger 102 FR’s were introduced.
I genuinely think they ski better than the outgoing skis. I can understand that some people are bummed about the lack of a pink ski. What I find exceptionally interesting, is people see to either LOVE these graphics, or kinda HATE them. Very few people have had more of a middle-ground opinion of them.
Why even designate it as men and women skis?
One one hand I have no idea. It's all wood, metal, and plastic so there's no reason to gender skis. On the other hand, people still shop that way so manufacturers and dealers still have to organize their products in this manner.