REVISION: I am not happy with how I approached the MM Tier Set Change: A crucial context for that change is that Precise Shots now only has 1 stack in Patch 11.0.5. The Tier Set change is mostly to ensure that it still basically functions, given that change. The 10>20% buff ensures that we at least have similar numbers. It is still a practical DPS benefit assuming they fix the bug (if they don't, it's even worse than before).
Also you only need to use one global to get the full benefit of the tier set with this change instead of two, that’s better, I’ll wait for you to tell me if I’ll need to play around it though 👊🏻
Keep making survival and mm better but hard nerfing bm. All 3 specs underperform to most other classes idk why blizz hates some classes and specs soooooo much and others they love and buff to crap.
Thanks for always doing such a great job with these videos and taking your time to explain each change in depth. You’ve always been an amazing person for the Hunter community. Keep up the amazing work!!
Thanks for the video Azor! It's great to be inspired to feel some hope that things with improve soon. Always appreciate your thoughts and insights and the ease with which you communicate things.
Agreed, not terrible. I for one really appreciate your dedication to making us better players and removing the stigma attached to hunters. Also nice to see you get excited about these changes.
i wish some changes were in a hotfix instead of a patch change so we don't have to wait months for us to do m+ but it's still good that they are tuning bm
Having played since Vanilla and played hunter since WotLK, Azor you are the biggest help to come along for hunters ever. Tarlo and others are definitely fantastic too but you are solely standing at the top. Thank you for the efforts you put into making videos and tutorials for us!! I absolutely agree and laughed when you quickly slipped in "it could have happened sooner thought." OMG so f'ing true!! It's disgusting that they nerfed bm's aoe into the ground to tune st and let it go through the first 6ish weeks of the new expansion. It's also disgusting that they continue to not fix the bug with MM's arcane shot not applying it's benefit to aimed shot... like WTF, it's such a huge dps loss for st.
i never knew about the arcane shot error, always casted it inmediatly after every aimed shot, now i feel like an idiot, thanks a lot for pointing it out, amazing guide and xplanation
It is neesh or nee'sh.. these are really awesome videos and like one of the other commenters mentioned I wish the changes would come sooner because it is kind of hard already to get in a key because of the AOE damage that is lacking, but really looking forward to the changes and seems like we are on a roll...I do like the comment though that 300% of a small number isn't really that much lol. Nice job Sir!!
Great video, thanks so much for posting and helping fellow hunter mains understand these changes. BM Multishot, was there ever a more pointless spell/button? Like you say 300% of a small number is still a small number, this spell to me is an obvious fix, you don't use at all in ST, you have to press it in AoE, ergo make it do actual damage [5% overall] and/or have it do something as well as Beast Cleave.
Thank you for talking about how bad multi-shot feels to push! I sometimes feel crazy because people assume since BM is so easy with so few buttons, it must be for you even if the AOE damage rotation isnt fun. I get multi-shot makes kill command AOE but like you said, Multi-shot itself just feels so bad to push and you have to push it so often, even with the talent that helps kill command extend your beast cleave duration
The changes to Rhythm present a situation where BM could become extremely gear dependent. At lower haste values worrying about the uptime of Rhythm could become very laborious. Additionally, pooling focus for burst aoe, as is required in some encounters, could become extremely punishing.
I just did it on BM, but I feel like that Survival change on AoE could be very huge on first boss of mythic with all the small adds during intermission
I fully agree. But Basilisk Collar is gonna be an issue even at 2/4%. It has to be changed entirely IMO. Maybe have it empower dire beast to sometimes send out a Basilisk that does cleave?
So I guess they don’t intend for any spec to play Pack Leader. The fact BM AoE was released in the state it is in and effectively left to rot until 2 months into the xpac is a sick joke. They got feedback on it in beta and did nothing. Also, why are they not outright deleting Basilisk collar?
Pack leader being left in the state its in currently is honestly ridiculous, give survival players that hate Sentinel (most people, no?) another option and make it actually do something for BM other than just being a kick to the groin. 30% dps decrease for my badly geared hunter... Only badly geared because of the absolute state that hero talents are in, can't stomach playing it.
I think the beast master hunter (is it BM in English? I use the full name to prevent misunderstanding) needs to add a passive skill: those damage skills (or summoning skills) that start with the BM character itself are all changed to start with the first pet. For example: there is a short-range passive fire skill on the equipment, and the buff gives a long-range passive laser skill. Melee professions can choose to rush to the boss to passively trigger the fire, and pure ranged professions can choose to trigger the long-range laser skill. However, the BM itself is very fragile, and it relies on animal companions to frequently attack and output damage. This causes the BM to want to trigger the long-range passive skill, but the trigger frequency is not as high as other ranged professions, and the short-range passive skill is not as high as other melee professions, and it loses mobility. The BM should follow the skill logic of the hunter artifact Titan Strike in Legion 7.0, release the skill to the pet's location, and cause range damage to the enemies around it. Lock the skill starting point on the pet. In addition, I think BM's weapons should be more like laser pointers or batons. Since BM's mastery is to increase the damage caused by pets, then why is there a problem that the boss hunter has a higher hatred value than the animal companion, and the animal companion is easily killed with one knife?
Right direction, but tab targeting deathblow procs to spinkle DAs around while maintaining BC and slamming BSs with KC rotations is gonna feel clunky inside the 6 second beast cleave window. Getting rid of multishot for BM and replacing it with a passive beast cleave talent would make the aoe rotation a bit less chaotic.
@Azortharion Do you think these changes to BM will hopefully fix Pack Leader hero talents, when I seen the icon I was so hoping they where going to make a hero talent around the long lost ability of stampede but sadly they didn't. I truly hope this will fix pack leader and i wanted your opinion
So excited for changes! Do you think they will work on Pack Leader too? Dark Ranger looks amazing for the patch but I hope PL will also have it's spot sometime :)
im still not happy with mm set bonus. the overall damage gain is a joke. i paased on every tier token so far, cause i know the raid benefits a lot more if someone else gets his tier bonus.
Bm 4 piece still feels so weak... I wish they'd figure something else out, however I get it, it's the first set for the expansion. Hopefully we see a better set in the next season/raid.
@@Azortharion That’s sad. I really like the gameplay of Wailing arrow with the RF resets in raid. The normal gameplay loop in m+ just doesn’t quite scratch that itch in M+
Ive been a hunter main since legion but this xpac i rerolled because of how hunter looked like at the start of the xpac. Is it too late to swap back to hunter and be competitive azortharion?
@@christianvazquezgarcia9739 I've played surv hunter since the beginning of the xpac and It's super fun compared to BM or MM in my opinion. You could give it a shot
Honestly they should just change beast cleave into a stance that you toggle on and off. On makes your pet do less damage but makes it cleave/aoe. Multishot feels horrible and maintaining beast cleave on top of your rotation just feels awful.
So this is changes that are coming very late, in November, and it does not even fix anything, BM is still in terrible states, and all you're saying is "steps in the right direction" as it was good/positive changes? I don't get it, seems too little too late, AoE is a joke right now and this will not fix it. Why are you acting like this is good changes?
@@Azortharion I just don't see how this will fix the joke that is BM AoE right now, it's hard to prove the negative, tho. The video itself points to the nerf of Basilisk as something that would allow Blizz to tune AoE without making ST broken, but there is no meaningful AoE buff to compensate for this loss. So are we waiting till November to something that will allow for an even further update that will fix AoE? I don't see it. The state of BM AoE damage is abysmal, unacceptable, specially considering Blizz allow it to be that way after beta testing. Can you explain why and how you believe the BM AoE damage will increase so much to become barely acceptable? I don't see it.
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REVISION: I am not happy with how I approached the MM Tier Set Change: A crucial context for that change is that Precise Shots now only has 1 stack in Patch 11.0.5. The Tier Set change is mostly to ensure that it still basically functions, given that change. The 10>20% buff ensures that we at least have similar numbers. It is still a practical DPS benefit assuming they fix the bug (if they don't, it's even worse than before).
Also you only need to use one global to get the full benefit of the tier set with this change instead of two, that’s better, I’ll wait for you to tell me if I’ll need to play around it though 👊🏻
Keep making survival and mm better but hard nerfing bm. All 3 specs underperform to most other classes idk why blizz hates some classes and specs soooooo much and others they love and buff to crap.
Thanks for always doing such a great job with these videos and taking your time to explain each change in depth. You’ve always been an amazing person for the Hunter community. Keep up the amazing work!!
great video love to see all the hunter love coming from Blizz about time ! and thank you for doing what you do for the hunter community !
Thanks for the video Azor! It's great to be inspired to feel some hope that things with improve soon. Always appreciate your thoughts and insights and the ease with which you communicate things.
No class has a better overseer than Azor.
You are not terrible Azor. That's all.
This means a lot to me.
Jeff, I agree sir. He is a good one
Agreed!
Agreed, not terrible. I for one really appreciate your dedication to making us better players and removing the stigma attached to hunters. Also nice to see you get excited about these changes.
thank you for making these videos! im so excited for this patch!
i wish some changes were in a hotfix instead of a patch change so we don't have to wait months for us to do m+ but it's still good that they are tuning bm
Having played since Vanilla and played hunter since WotLK, Azor you are the biggest help to come along for hunters ever. Tarlo and others are definitely fantastic too but you are solely standing at the top. Thank you for the efforts you put into making videos and tutorials for us!! I absolutely agree and laughed when you quickly slipped in "it could have happened sooner thought." OMG so f'ing true!! It's disgusting that they nerfed bm's aoe into the ground to tune st and let it go through the first 6ish weeks of the new expansion. It's also disgusting that they continue to not fix the bug with MM's arcane shot not applying it's benefit to aimed shot... like WTF, it's such a huge dps loss for st.
i never knew about the arcane shot error, always casted it inmediatly after every aimed shot, now i feel like an idiot, thanks a lot for pointing it out, amazing guide and xplanation
always love watching your takes on these changes, tyvm
It is neesh or nee'sh.. these are really awesome videos and like one of the other commenters mentioned I wish the changes would come sooner because it is kind of hard already to get in a key because of the AOE damage that is lacking, but really looking forward to the changes and seems like we are on a roll...I do like the comment though that 300% of a small number isn't really that much lol. Nice job Sir!!
Great video, thanks so much for posting and helping fellow hunter mains understand these changes. BM Multishot, was there ever a more pointless spell/button? Like you say 300% of a small number is still a small number, this spell to me is an obvious fix, you don't use at all in ST, you have to press it in AoE, ergo make it do actual damage [5% overall] and/or have it do something as well as Beast Cleave.
Yooo thanks for a good detailed summary
Thank you for talking about how bad multi-shot feels to push! I sometimes feel crazy because people assume since BM is so easy with so few buttons, it must be for you even if the AOE damage rotation isnt fun. I get multi-shot makes kill command AOE but like you said, Multi-shot itself just feels so bad to push and you have to push it so often, even with the talent that helps kill command extend your beast cleave duration
Ooooo these changes to BM look great! Thanks for explaining it all!
Love it, can't wait to try out the new BM and dark ranger changes!
Muito boa sua explanação sobre as mudanças que estão por vir para nos Caçadores, principalmente BM, que é a minha main spec desde sempre.
thx for the great video man wish we could play the changes next reset haha
The changes to Rhythm present a situation where BM could become extremely gear dependent. At lower haste values worrying about the uptime of Rhythm could become very laborious. Additionally, pooling focus for burst aoe, as is required in some encounters, could become extremely punishing.
I just did it on BM, but I feel like that Survival change on AoE could be very huge on first boss of mythic with all the small adds during intermission
I fully agree. But Basilisk Collar is gonna be an issue even at 2/4%. It has to be changed entirely IMO. Maybe have it empower dire beast to sometimes send out a Basilisk that does cleave?
Great video sir!
I’m so happy I’ll be able to go back to BM. Sv is fun but heart is in BM. And as for multi shot to be a good button that 300 needs a few more zeros.
So I guess they don’t intend for any spec to play Pack Leader. The fact BM AoE was released in the state it is in and effectively left to rot until 2 months into the xpac is a sick joke. They got feedback on it in beta and did nothing.
Also, why are they not outright deleting Basilisk collar?
Pack leader being left in the state its in currently is honestly ridiculous, give survival players that hate Sentinel (most people, no?) another option and make it actually do something for BM other than just being a kick to the groin.
30% dps decrease for my badly geared hunter... Only badly geared because of the absolute state that hero talents are in, can't stomach playing it.
Pack Leader is more like a delve single player spec.
@@joesuh7492 more like an insult lol
@@kristoffer3000 Sentinel is great and at least offers a defensive unlike pack leader.
@@MarkElf2204 Sentinel is awful, don't kid yourself.
The design of it is so damn bad.
It doing okay numbers doesn't make it good.
I think the beast master hunter (is it BM in English? I use the full name to prevent misunderstanding) needs to add a passive skill: those damage skills (or summoning skills) that start with the BM character itself are all changed to start with the first pet.
For example: there is a short-range passive fire skill on the equipment, and the buff gives a long-range passive laser skill. Melee professions can choose to rush to the boss to passively trigger the fire, and pure ranged professions can choose to trigger the long-range laser skill.
However, the BM itself is very fragile, and it relies on animal companions to frequently attack and output damage. This causes the BM to want to trigger the long-range passive skill, but the trigger frequency is not as high as other ranged professions, and the short-range passive skill is not as high as other melee professions, and it loses mobility.
The BM should follow the skill logic of the hunter artifact Titan Strike in Legion 7.0, release the skill to the pet's location, and cause range damage to the enemies around it. Lock the skill starting point on the pet.
In addition, I think BM's weapons should be more like laser pointers or batons. Since BM's mastery is to increase the damage caused by pets, then why is there a problem that the boss hunter has a higher hatred value than the animal companion, and the animal companion is easily killed with one knife?
Azor for president.
Right direction, but tab targeting deathblow procs to spinkle DAs around while maintaining BC and slamming BSs with KC rotations is gonna feel clunky inside the 6 second beast cleave window. Getting rid of multishot for BM and replacing it with a passive beast cleave talent would make the aoe rotation a bit less chaotic.
it really isn't that hard lol
BM hunter wanting their rotation dumbed down even more OMEGALUL
BM and MM are still gonna be braindead to play, dont you worry
Wasn't there also a change where we only needed to cast one steady shot for the haste bonus before?
@@virgil1468 Yep! Discussed in the last video
So Mm is better than now at 11.0.5, right??
What an epic video, my DPS 10x'd thanks
@Azortharion Do you think these changes to BM will hopefully fix Pack Leader hero talents, when I seen the icon I was so hoping they where going to make a hero talent around the long lost ability of stampede but sadly they didn't. I truly hope this will fix pack leader and i wanted your opinion
I say "Neech" but I've also heard "Nitch" commonly said as well.
It's "neesh", brother.
Niche = Neesh Touche= Toosh....eh
Ni-shh
More often than not I hear "knee-sch" anyway I'm officially pogging over the .5 changes, can't wait :D
So excited for changes! Do you think they will work on Pack Leader too? Dark Ranger looks amazing for the patch but I hope PL will also have it's spot sometime :)
Possibly? Pack Leader felt even more undercooked than Dark Ranger at launch so it wouldn't shock me.
Hey! Just found your channel, any chance for a guide in the future? MM Great content so far!
Most likely, yeah!
awesome stuff now they need to give a little love to Pack Leader
You are great!
If sv got this changes. Haste will lose more value and crit rises?
Crit is already above Haste in most scenarios. Mastery still dominates for SV, that is very unlikely to change from any of this.
How are SV changes looking? As much as i see blizz decided to keep us a rare spec
Positive, especially for AoE.
It's "neesh"~
Nice.
Niche rhymes with leash
im still not happy with mm set bonus. the overall damage gain is a joke. i paased on every tier token so far, cause i know the raid benefits a lot more if someone else gets his tier bonus.
When can we expect 11.0.5?
Late October, early November. Thereabouts.
Buffing 1 dmg by 300% is still crap :D
Rip BM hunter idk why they decided to need basilisk collar seeing how BM wasn’t even top dps for raid and is the worst spec for m+
Bm 4 piece still feels so weak... I wish they'd figure something else out, however I get it, it's the first set for the expansion. Hopefully we see a better set in the next season/raid.
Niche is pronounced like Quiche
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I think it's "kneesh"
if you dont multi dot on bm your doing it wrong, barbed shot on every mob into multi
@@Gateseleven That's only one dot, you're still missing many others.
I just want nothing more than wailing arrow benefitting from trickshots.
They have explicitly made a change that says it no longer consumes it, so we now know for sure that they intend for Wailing Arrow to not benefit.
@@Azortharion That’s sad. I really like the gameplay of Wailing arrow with the RF resets in raid. The normal gameplay loop in m+ just doesn’t quite scratch that itch in M+
Ive been a hunter main since legion but this xpac i rerolled because of how hunter looked like at the start of the xpac. Is it too late to swap back to hunter and be competitive azortharion?
It is not too late to swap back, gearing is pretty straightforward and the season is young.
Yea, way too late. Best to start your hunter prog before 22 years old.
@@Ditronus. damn im 30. brb queueing for retirement home delve.
@@christianvazquezgarcia9739 haha.
@@christianvazquezgarcia9739 I've played surv hunter since the beginning of the xpac and It's super fun compared to BM or MM in my opinion. You could give it a shot
Honestly they should just change beast cleave into a stance that you toggle on and off. On makes your pet do less damage but makes it cleave/aoe. Multishot feels horrible and maintaining beast cleave on top of your rotation just feels awful.
Still wish Barbed Shot damage rolled over....
'niche" comes from french and is pronounced "neesh"
Neesh
They should just delete multishot from BM, its only purpose is to activate cleave why do they keep trying to buff it?
Nee-sh... but I am Australian so I wouldn't bank on my English.
So this is changes that are coming very late, in November, and it does not even fix anything, BM is still in terrible states, and all you're saying is "steps in the right direction" as it was good/positive changes?
I don't get it, seems too little too late, AoE is a joke right now and this will not fix it. Why are you acting like this is good changes?
@@tomwodi2 How come you're confident that this won't fix it?
@@Azortharion I just don't see how this will fix the joke that is BM AoE right now, it's hard to prove the negative, tho. The video itself points to the nerf of Basilisk as something that would allow Blizz to tune AoE without making ST broken, but there is no meaningful AoE buff to compensate for this loss. So are we waiting till November to something that will allow for an even further update that will fix AoE?
I don't see it. The state of BM AoE damage is abysmal, unacceptable, specially considering Blizz allow it to be that way after beta testing.
Can you explain why and how you believe the BM AoE damage will increase so much to become barely acceptable? I don't see it.
Blizzard need to nerf RET AOE, too many brain dead RETs doing way too much aoe
WHAT THE FREAK
@@snipedaf AAAA
I am once again reminding everyone that survival is not a spec.
Cry
Mm and bm are super op, right now.
They need 0 fixes
Trollin 😂
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