This is a different version to Wolfram’s. This is S.399a rather than S.400/2. Other pianists have recorded S.400/2 like Peebles, Hegedus, Viner and Howard. Wolfram’s is the best S.400 though :)
Clearly you’ve missed the very clever manipulation of the themes, especially the subtle transformation of the drinking song into a more solemn and expressive section, the beautiful sensuous textures of Liszt’s lyrical moments, the high energy of the stretto of the prelude, etc. Liszt greaty improved on the material from Donizetti, and while the piece may be a little incoherent, Liszt revised it into S.400/2 where it has a fully integrated structure. The coda certainly isn’t “non-sense” virtuosic showmanship, but rather the nec plus ultra of Liszt’s revolutionary piano technique. If you can’t find musicality in this piece, then tune your ears and listen to some Xenakis :)
@@TheModicaLiszt I'd like to point out that this video has no dislikes (: rev/ thinking that you hearted it, you perceived the goal of my comment. hopefully someone who'd genuinely share my sardonic psuedo-opinion will take their time to read your revelation of the piece's nuances side note: Hearts and loves for Xenakis the Veteran
@@lisztomani4c Yeah my Asperger’s held me in confusion for a minute, but I did get it 😂 It never ceases to amaze me when people disregard Liszt’s early music and then listen to Sorabji or whatever (whom I’ve grown to like a bit actually)
@@TheModicaLiszt If you begin with Sorabji's songs (imo he's an excellent vocal-writer) and earlier paraphrases, it's not too hard to get to notice that he's actually more than what his music may sound like to a person who's on the less familiar side with the advancing modern harmony. One should refine their taste up and down before actually getting to like him- and it won't be hard to appreciate his creativity and merit to neverendingly compose. A few years ago, I'd turn off his music following a few minutes of listening- now I wish that I'll hold on for long enough to finish his toccata seconda as my time for the last listen comes before I ascend to the heavens.
Great rendition from Ivanov !
I will definitely play the Andantino on S.400 for my re-play/re-take for Lucrezia Borgia 🔥
@@Paganini-Liszt can't wait!
Finally another recording! Wanted to find out how other pianists played it, despite william wolframs being absolutely phenomenal
This is a different version to Wolfram’s. This is S.399a rather than S.400/2. Other pianists have recorded S.400/2 like Peebles, Hegedus, Viner and Howard. Wolfram’s is the best S.400 though :)
@@TheModicaLiszt Really don't understand why liszt didn't include the andantino section in S.400, I find it really beautiful
The Andantino section excluded from S.400 is from 9:39 to 11:50
Never heard of this one!
This was composed in 1840, the first version of S.400/2 from 1848 (ua-cam.com/video/e-XtfYTLi2Y/v-deo.html)
@ Wolfram did not play this version. Wolfram played S.400, Ivanov played S.399a.
@@TheModicaLiszt Which one is the first version? Is Wolfram's (S.400 no.2) performance a revised version afterwards?
@@NwcistMendes Yes indeed. This is the first version from 1840, and then was revised as S.400/2 in 1848.
@@TheModicaLiszt Thank you :)
I mean 5:12 is just the most beautiful melody in the romantic piano repertoire
Thanks!
You’re welcome mate
Well done :)
5:12 Hungarian rhapsody no 2
Nice
13:42
6:06 - 6:26 😍
Indeed 😌
As good as that g sharp minor fragment everyone cherishes in the original fantasy.
5:15
Which version is technically more difficult to play between 399 and 400??
S.399a is technically more awkward, but was reused as S.400/2. The whole S.400 is probably more difficult.
9:40
Are there any major differences between this and S400?
Yes, a whole different section based on the drinking song of the opera. Check Leslie Howard’s notes in the description :)
Yes, this bar: 13:58 and that's it!! Nothing else is different.
@@thenotsookayguy Thank you
Do u play this piece or the S.400 ?
U have Discord?
Yes indeed
@@TheModicaLiszt U can give me yours? Or I give me?
@@adriaan009 You can find me on the Liszthesis discord server
@ㅤㅤㅤㅤ bro stop
lol
@ㅤㅤㅤㅤ I agree
Hi! Where can I find this score?
Good contacts.
@@TheModicaLiszt I love your reply! (I’ll try anyway...can you share it with me?)
@@enricosammarco8408 Email please.
I commented first but someone deleted it lmao
They won’t allow “orgie” for some reason h
@@TheModicaLiszt its English equivalent, apparently, is a word meaning something inappropriate which I wouldn't want to mention here.
@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji Of course I know what it means…..
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Non-sense virtuosic showmanship. No musicality at all. Disliked the video!
Clearly you’ve missed the very clever manipulation of the themes, especially the subtle transformation of the drinking song into a more solemn and expressive section, the beautiful sensuous textures of Liszt’s lyrical moments, the high energy of the stretto of the prelude, etc. Liszt greaty improved on the material from Donizetti, and while the piece may be a little incoherent, Liszt revised it into S.400/2 where it has a fully integrated structure. The coda certainly isn’t “non-sense” virtuosic showmanship, but rather the nec plus ultra of Liszt’s revolutionary piano technique. If you can’t find musicality in this piece, then tune your ears and listen to some Xenakis :)
@@TheModicaLiszt I'd like to point out that this video has no dislikes (:
rev/ thinking that you hearted it, you perceived the goal of my comment. hopefully someone who'd genuinely share my sardonic psuedo-opinion will take their time to read your revelation of the piece's nuances
side note: Hearts and loves for Xenakis the Veteran
@@lisztomani4c Yeah my Asperger’s held me in confusion for a minute, but I did get it 😂 It never ceases to amaze me when people disregard Liszt’s early music and then listen to Sorabji or whatever (whom I’ve grown to like a bit actually)
@@TheModicaLiszt If you begin with Sorabji's songs (imo he's an excellent vocal-writer) and earlier paraphrases, it's not too hard to get to notice that he's actually more than what his music may sound like to a person who's on the less familiar side with the advancing modern harmony. One should refine their taste up and down before actually getting to like him- and it won't be hard to appreciate his creativity and merit to neverendingly compose. A few years ago, I'd turn off his music following a few minutes of listening- now I wish that I'll hold on for long enough to finish his toccata seconda as my time for the last listen comes before I ascend to the heavens.
@@lisztomani4c Haha 😂 I’m still on early Sorabji, most of his stuff is too long for me give it time and a proper listen though, I’ll work on it :)