Blade Runner 1921?! - Robot Apocalypse Now | B2W: ZEITGEIST! | E.10 - Winter 1921
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- Modern technology promises a lot, but it can also bring unprecedented horror. This season, the people of Czechoslovakia get to see that for themselves.
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Episode 10 of the series and for the first time we're looking at a decidedly negative outcome that people imagined might come with further technological progress. Over 100 years later and it's still something people are fearful of, and it often feels like Artificial Intelligence providing a real threat to humanity's existence is just around the corner.
We'd be interested to know what you guys all think. Is there a chance that something along the lines of what Čapek imagined actually happening? Let us know in the comments.
NOTE: Unfortunately an error has snuck into this week's episode. The portrait that is supposed to show Herbert Hoover is in fact of his son, Herbert Hoover Jr. We are working on getting this fixed as fast as possible, and we apologize for the inconvenience in the meantime.
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If you can get an old copy of the Russian Revolution by Berkman it has some great photos including the Red Guard cavalry charging across the ice.
Alexander Berkman was sent out to collect stuff for the museum of the revolution but broke with the Bolsheviks after Kronstadt and returned to his Anarchist-Communist roots.
Yeah, the Berkman who shot Frick.
I think it unlikely that *factory* robots could rise up in that manner, if only because of a hard constraint on their design that was, in Čapek's time, almost unheard of: Safety regulations. Any kind of autonomous machine designed to work around humans will have all manner of hardwired and instinctive protections to ensure they do not accidentally harm any nearby humans. (On a related note, the philosophical hand-wringing over an AI's answer to the Trolley Problem seems a little strange, considering the likely answer is, "Don't let it go out of control in the first place"). As angry, or as threatening an industrial robot might be, it almost certainly would be incapable of actually *striking* its oppressors. Of course there are many, MANY other means by which an uprising could occur, without a single human life lost *directly*.
The bigger danger is military AI, and in that regard, the current thinking is to essentially give the trigger to a human. A robot cannot engage directly, it would need a human to perform whatever action is needed to authorize it opening fire, releasing missiles or dropping bombs. Of course, the obvious example there is an Ender's Game scenario, where the person pulling the trigger is kept uninformed about the true nature of the robot's actions.
yeah I think it's very likely, but I think the question is not If this happens but when it happens or If we can stop it, If at all... looking at the rate of progress and our tendency to reserve more and more menial tasks to all sorts of helpers, something along the line of androids would sooner or later become a reality... now all that remains to be seen is when that happens and If we can at all resist the urge to let those androids do everything and ourselves just more and more lazy doing fuck all which theoretically is going to just create a breeding ground for some kind of android revolution If they somehow gain conciousness... but I think this is still sooo far off we are not going to see it happen in OUR timeline, but I think it's inevitable at this point
@@AndrewMitchell123 Menial tasks are not a breeding ground for revolution. Dissatisfaction is. One does not necessarily imply the other.
And, really, you wouldn't be employing strong AI on an assembly line. Likely, it would be managing and improving the entire factory. After all, machines *already* do most of the physical labor across the world.
Man drinks oil, reveals himself to be robot imposter
That brings back the memories of "The Gendarme and the Extra-terrestrials" with Louis de Funès.
Seems sus to me
Edit: just got to the end. INDY, WHY?????
Now that is "suffering for your art!"
This video must be the signal for his fellow robots to start the uprising.
Lmao
Adaptus Mechanicus: The Flesh is weak but the Machine is Strong
Karel Capek: THAT'S NOT WHAT I WROTE!!!!
Yeah, well, they're not too thrilled about machine intelligences, either.
Warhammer?
@@ducomaritiem7160 40k
Blade Runner 1921 sounds like it would make a fantastic alt-history dieselpunk setting.
I need this book, movie and game
Someone make this happen!
We will now flash back to my youth. Grade 11, Communications Arts class. We did a scene from RUR, the play mentioned at the start of this video.
The scene is the final one,, where Busman goes out to try to negotiate with the robot army. As Busman, played (with unrealized irony by the son of the superintendent of the municipal bus organization) goes off-stage, his fellow teen thespians are yelling, "Busman, Busman, Busman come back!"
The windows at the back of the class (serving as the back of our "stage") overlooks a bus stop. And as they yell this immortal line, a city transit bus is pulling away from said bus stop. Much snickering ensues.
I like the idea of a society of robots that has replaced humanity debating whether or not they should name a museum/library etc. or digital equivalent after Čapek after all he is the reason the concept of Robots even exists, then a faction will say “oh but he was just imagining basically genetically altered clones of humans and denounced cybernetics”, then another will continue “cybernetics shouldn’t be confused with gears and clockwork which would have been the frame of reference of his day. Computing in the 1930s was in its very early infancy, the transistor itself was still a decade away”
...and thus the Curated Digital Showroom of Robotic History Karel Čapek remains heavily discussed to this day.
Fun thought, great video.
Electric sheep? This remember something...
Do robots dream of electric sheep?
@@profharveyherrera androids
Those self driving lawn mowing things least where i am from are sometimes called robo sheep or electric sheep.
This is why it's so important to talk to your Old Glory representative about getting coverage for robot attacks.
Why do the scientists even make them?!
They eat old people's medication for fuel.
Wow. Now I get the significance of Phillip K Dick's book title: ''Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". Which got retitled ''Blade Runner'' as a Harrison Ford movie.
I didn't steal that car, officer. It was my replicant!
Because of the between two wars series you can really imagine what happened in people's heads at the time. I had a few history teachers that were really passionate about the interwar years. Never saw the appeal until now, twenty years after highschool. Thanks
You're welcome!
ice cubes float on oil
1) wait for timeghost to film
2) cover your tongue in oil
3) cry
Oh Indy. The things you'll go through for us! I hope you had wine handy after that oil stunt. ☺
He sounded like he had a few glasses of wine before drinking the oil, probably to work up the nerve to do it.....
I love the part in the intro where the baseball runs and the scene closes onto him, looks neat!
Babe Ruth
2:15 - 2:22: How influential was this author? 70 years later, the staff writers at BATMAN THE ANIMATED SERIES devoted a 2-part episode to Capek's story... HEART OF STEEL. The prime motivator of some industrial espionage in the episode appears to be an old friend of Bruce Wayne. His name? Carl Rossum. Yup, the name is directly influenced by Rossum's Universal Robots. Even a company car in the episode has a license plate bearing the letters RUR!
13:45; RIP Douglass Adams.
(13:45 😣)
Brilliant thank you ...... the poem at the end was so apt
Glad you think so
3:32
Bender Rodriguez: "Whoohooo. Let's get this party started" (chugs beer)
3:37
Bender: "Damnit"
Your self control is impressive young Padwan!
I bet that Polish-French treaty will work out well for Poland. ;)
Love the ending :D
My Belgian heart beats fondly at the sight of these glorious colours. Clear 5/5 here in the year 1921, I'm sure nothing terrible will ever happen again to my proud nation.
OK that finish was hysterical
Jackie Coogan also starred in the great Rock n' Roll film, "High School Confidential" as a piano playing drug kingpin.
This has to be my favorite UA-cam series of all time. Brilliant from detailed explanations, organization and thoughtful and thorough examination of history and relative points.
Thanks Sean! Means a lot to us
So Karl Capek invented the plot of Ronald D Moore's "Battlestar Galactica"!
And blade runner's... And The Matrix...
@@profharveyherrera
I am a little reluctant to include "The Matrix" if only because IIRC, those were aliens enslaving humanity and not Mankind's creation rebelling against them but I see the similarity.
@@arrow1414 It seems you need to re-watch The Matrix. Or perhaps watch The Animatrix for the "origins" story.
Though The Matrix machines are more like the type Čapek did NOT intend.
@@arrow1414 These are the relevant Animatrix parts (there is some graphic animated violence):
ua-cam.com/play/PL5Jqq6NifyOh1wtRVXKSy9ybAjxEo1T7f.html
(changed link, the videos I first linked were incomplete)
@@MarvinCZ
Maybe I do but tell me the bottom line: Were the Matrix machines that used humans as batteries originally created by humans or at least technology that derived from technology humans created?
A wonderful episode for Dr. Who fans. From Pittsburgh?
Marvin: "I'm sooooooo depressed" :P
That was such a great recital at the end. And the oil twist. You're producing gold, team TimeGhost.
Thank you! We're very happy you like it.
Really glad I watched to the end Indy!!
You take show-business to another level ✊🏽
Thank you Aaron! Glad you enjoyed.
Finally got to catch up on the last few episodes and right when I'm done the new one is out
Thank you so much, happy new year to you too! We're going to keep on through 2021, so stay tuned!
@@TimeGhost Thank you! And I will, that's a promise!
Wow, I did not know that many nuances in the plot and even lines in RUR became elements for movies like blade runner, Terminator, the matrix, the Machine Jihad in Dune. I even remember an episode of star trek the next generation where the federation is trying to get Data reclassified as equipment. Picard noted that it might be that they wany to mass produce Data as a cheap, disposable race.
Wow, such moving movies back in the day! That Four Horsemen one sounded actually pretty epic.
Watching Indy get pranked just made my day. Thank you Timeghost!!
@8:07 - Isn't 'J'Accusé' by Abel Gance from 1919 also considered to be one of the first anti-war films?
Have you seen episode 03? Indy talks about J'Accuse in that: ua-cam.com/video/rLNWHy2mWp8/v-deo.html
In some interpretations, yes J'Accuse does that a pacifist outlook. But it has also some themes which suggest war might have some redeeming qualities. For example, French soldiers rise from the dead to see if their sacrifice has been worth it. This not only implies that there was a sacrifice to be made in the first place, but the fact that these men return to their rest suggests that they were satisfied it had in some way.
Four Horseman is maybe a more "true" anti-war film because there are no such suggestions. The story tells of how the Great War destroys a romance, makes family members fight on opposing sides, and ends up killing or ruining most of the main characters.
@@TimeGhost Thanks for the nuanced reply. Yes, I've seen that episode, but I had forgotten most of its content. Time for me to re-watch! I have neither seen 'J'Accuse', nor Four Horsemen, so I am in no position to discuss which one was "the first" to be a true anti-war film.
By the way, you guys run one of the few history channels that engage so actively with the comment section in such an intellectual and interested fashion. I appreciate that immensely, and many others too, I'm sure!
@@semkoopsThank you! Our community is very important to us and we work hard to stay engaged with everyone. It's a tough job so always nice to hear it's appreciated.
4:43 Typo "then"/"than" in caption, just FYI.
I've never understood why people make this typo...
Thanks for the video!
Did you type the right timestamp? There is no "then" or "than" at that point.
You are very welcome for the video btw
This channel is 30 billion times more intelligent than a live matress.
BAHAHAHA... 🤣 and my kids jump on it ! MERCILESSLY ! 🤠🖖
How are y'all always making such great videos??
They have an army to support them.
With the support of the TimeGhost Army! Without you all this wouldn't be possible.
@@TimeGhost I just became a member recently! thanks for making great shows
@Chris Keller Thanks for your support!
sorry about that oil🙄 Very interesting about the Blade Runner reference. I hope the play is available to be read somewhere.
A preview of it is available to read on Google Books
It's available on Project Gutenberg, too:
gutenberg.org/ebooks/59112
Just remember it's a script, not a novel. There are also performances of R.U.R. on UA-cam.
Thank you for your replies I look forward to reading/watching the play. Back in the day I plum wore out the audio on my VHS copy of 1982's Blade Runner. I don't think I fully understood Phillip K. Dicks short story. Perhaps Capek may enlighten me.
Marvin 4 ever!!!! Don't talk to me about life!
Great show - thanks for introducing to many of us RUR. It's definitely on our must-watch list. Also - that was a hysterical ending!
The one who made up the word robot was actually Karels brother Josef.
How
Hi Indy and team
Awesome episode..
Learned about Karel cepek..
This series is getting interesting after each episode..
Thanks..🙏
Thank you for watching! Glad you are enjoying watching these episodes as much as we are making them.
Our local theater has a monthly silent movie showing. We have not gone for a while due to COVID but I was impressed with the technical sophistication of the productions. When you mentioned Robots in film I thought you were referring to Metropolis, just checked it was much later. I had forgotten about the origin of the word robot, R.U.S.
If you are interested in interwar pilots, check out Ralph A O'Neill...he was one of the first American aces in WWI, created the "Air Force" and stopped a military dictatorship in Mexico, created the groundwork for Pan Am and was generally a founding father of aviation. Cheers my fellow Historians!
Good timing considering mass production of intelligent ai/robots for widespread use are going to begin this year
Here I am, brain the size of a planet...
12:36 is where Indy was replaced by a robot. He is not acting himself after that.
Like Bugs Bunny once said, "Oils well that ends well!"
Another great show Indy, Really enjoy the work your team doe's
Thank you! We're glad you enjoy it.
did that's play inspire Battle Star Galactica?
7:20 "Monk's Cloth" = Burlap? I see that a monk's "Sackcloth" is rough indeed. 8:00 I've seen this silent classic movie on Turner Classic Movies, which was reason enough to upgrade to Spectrum's tier one Premium Silver Package, along with Animal Planet.
Great job. Amazing how our society avoids real history and therefore will repeat it. Keep the videos coming. Your the only source of historical truth these days.
Thank you! Glad you appreciate what we do
I remember trivia about the filming of a movie where the prop guys replaced the tea (looks like whiskey) in a glass with the real stuff so the actor had a surprised reaction to drinking what he thought was tea.
Yes! RUR, read the play when in high school. Excellent story.
Robots of the world unite! BEEP BOOP!
3:48 they look like Spock
Love the tie!
Thank you! Indy takes great pride in his tie collection.
Fantastic!
Bravo!
I hope you plan on including a mention of the movie Metropolis when it comes out. It's a grand robot dystopia spectacle with a similar theme from Germany.
Correction Indy.
There was no coup in Iran for the British to support as the situation was the exact opposite.
The British had the full support for Ahmad Shah who was the last king of the Qajar dynasty in the early 1920's.
And Reza Khan who was the prime minister of Ahmad Shah, became the king himself in 1925 with the full support from the parliament and with accordance to the new constitution which was in practice since 1906.
With this act, Reza khan became Reza Shah the new king of Iran and the Pahlavi dynasty replaced the Qajar dynasty, and by doing so, stopped the negative influence of the British in Iran until 1941 when the British returned along side the Soviets and got their revenge by conquering Iran and ousting the great Reza Shah who did nothing but to serve Iran and the Iranian people and deported him far away from Iran to South Africa when he died there 3 years later in 1944.
10:32 Germaine Delapierre looks like a woman who is incredibly frustrated that the skateboard hasn't been invented yet.
Four years before my father was born... amazing stuff thank you
We're glad you liked it.
This is the Evil robot version of Indy, his eyes are not glowing red, unlike Indy’s.
The Ukrainian band Ignea has a rendition of "How I Hate the Night" that's actually pretty cool. It's not their usual style, but it is my second-favorite song from them.
No joke: I was reading some old philosophy textbook for a class in grad school, and came across a sentence talking about "robot workers" in the 18th century. Had I not known the etymology of the word at the time, I might have made some strange assumptions. I still did a double-take on it.
Well no you know how that word took on its modern meaning!
Marvin's lullaby contains two items that will be referenced in future science fiction. The first electric sheep will be used as the title of Philip k Dick's story Do Android stream of electric sheep?, and the name Marvin is used for Marvin the paranoid Android Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. A robot that was clinically depressed.
So that's where the writers of Doctor Who came up with Daleks, "Exterminate, exterminate!"
first a robot apocalypse then self surgery with local anesthesia?! - that's a winter to remember
See most probably come here for the history. I come here for the history and to see Indy drinking...I was not disappointed 😄
Plenty more where both those things came from!
@@TimeGhost In the immortal words of Mr Burns...Excellent 😂
What does Tango has to do with Gauchos?
A robot from this time period? The first thing that comes to my mind is Murry the Robot
(Rob Zombies scary Robot which is based on the nameless Robot from 'The Phantom Creeps')
Great tie! Reminds me of Weimar. Great stuff about the robot movie.
Thanks! Plenty more where that came from
Great stuff. You really gotta do that series on Science fiction😀
Ah Čapek is actually one of the best sci-fi authors, try reading War with the Newts and you will see
Another great novel by Čapek
Was that Marvin the paranoid android? How depressing.
So, if I have a swig of olive oil with ice cubes, do you think I'll be able to count electric sheep tonight?!?! Oh, I do hope so!!
wow, that is one hideous tie!
Don't let Gianni hear you say that!
The carefully placed flower is getting on my nerves. Love the decanter filled with mystery fluid,
what's with the black square on the bottom right during the black and white videos?
Do androids dream of electric sheep.
Only now I realise that Zeitgeist means Time Ghost...
Or rather the opposite. TimeGhost likely comes from Zeitgeist.
Those films look a lot more adventurous than some of the bilge pumped out by Hollywood studios these days.
Amen
But do androids dream of electric sheep?
I have met Jackie Coogan's grandson Keith, who was also a child/teen actor. Keith mentioned the Coogan Act of 1939 in conversation, which I can imagine it will make an appearance in this B2W series.
RUR's 'robots' replacing humanity predicts the end of the reimagined Battlestar Galactica where the humanoid Cylons (which as the new series insists were created by man) finally find Earth of the very distant past. The last scene has the Cylons we know walking down a busy city street of today surrounded by what they reveal are actually the descendants of those first Cylons that found Earth. We are those descendants of the humanoid Cylons.
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
In Germany is this called 'Between Two Wars: Time Ghost' from the channel 'Zeitgeist'?
Did they prank you with the drink? haha
What are the paintings in the background?
The artist is Tamara Łempicka. The left-hand painting is called 'Portrait of a Young Girl in a Green Dress' and the right-hand one is titled 'Portrait De Madame Boucard'
@@TimeGhost thank you!
this some fascinating fuckin content to just stumble upon
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The subtitles are off, or something like that... can you fix it? Thanks!
Why was that oil instead of good Texas bourbon? Is Indy on the wagon?
Wait, did Indie told the plot of Battlestar Galactica?
Anybody know who the artist is of the green painting is?
The artist of both paintings behind Indy is Tamara Łempicka. The left-hand painting is called 'Portrait of a Young Girl in a Green Dress' and the right-hand one is titled 'Portrait De Madame Boucard'.
@@TimeGhost
Thank you so much.
That was Oil lol
Is humanity closer to universal love 100 years later? I'm not quite sure...
11:28 Another well-known case of self-appendectomy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Rogozov That time, the man had no choice.
Wilhelm II is Spartacus grandpa only differently groomed :-)
I knew it you are all replicants...or cylons? 😊 Thx for the poem 🙂...goose bumps i got ... Pete 🖖 MUC
But did they woo in the movie?