The most interesting takeaway for me was, that different oceans require different strategies/ships. Until now, my perception of boat ranged from small to big, but not in the dimension of place of operation.
This really makes me realize how incredibly intelligent humans are. To know the nature and derive equations and make these equipments for maximum safety it’s just beyond imagination which is made possible by humans if you really think about it, amazingly fearless and brave.
I always find it so fascinating against the juxtaposition of the many ways we really are animals. We can make these amazing indoor oceans, all these spectacular feats of engineering, yet we still panic like we're prepared to fight, we still seek dopamine rushes because of programming, we still fear death and crave intimacy... To me, I find that to be the most incredible part. It's not like the way we evolved our intelligence made it replace those more primal instincts -- it was just added alongside them, added on top. I think that's what makes us so exceptionally complex too. If we were just one or the other, we'd be boring and predictable. Instead, we can harness both of them to do amazing things and live happy lives! :)
This is important for those of us who have been out in the ocean and facing 50-70' waves. The US Navy has lost 16 ships due to weather since 1900 and many more prior to that. So as a former sailor I can understand how important this pool and the study of Hull design is.
70' waves is kinda hard to wrap my head around tbh lol, that's frickin nuts! Edit: is a wave measured from peak to trough, or is it measured from the middle of the wave (which I assume is sea level but idk) to top/bottom of the peak/trough? I'm a dirty landlubber so I tend to think about [ocean] waves in the wrong way. Despite what my brain wants to think, a wave isn't just a section where the water is higher, it's usually a place with a section of water _lower_ than normal *AND* a section of water that is higher (which is super obvious since that's basically the definition of a wave lol). So I guess my question is if a 70' wave is more of a swell from -35' to 35', or if it means the wave is literally 70' above sea level (which seems to me would mean it probably goes down roughly 70' below sea level too..? Is that the case?) Edit2: ah, p-p amplitude is the term is was looking for. Is a wave height measured by peak-peak amplitude, or half of that value (which is what most people call regular 'amplitude', I think), or some other third way I haven't thought of?
@@idontwantahandlethough In 1968 I was in a force 5 typhoon in the Tiawan Straights which is just incidently some of the roughest water in the world without a 150 MPH wind to drive it. It is a miracle that we survived in the 265' ship we were in.
Its interesting how many ships have been lost to weather. Today with satellite weather imaging & reporting there should be no reason to run ships into conditions where there is a risk to the vessel & crew. Unless the command ignores the weather information.
@@briancavanagh7048 Well some ran aground in heavy weather about 5 in that 16 count, many more have found shallow water during that period but have not sunk. There is an old saying about Captains "there are those who have run agound and those who will run agound" Of course those who do are generally no longer comanding a ship.
@@manueldasilva4395 Vietnam 3,000,000 Kills instantly. Throwing napalm on children from airplanes. 3,000,000 Dead after the US left due to chemical weapons pollution left behind. People are still born mutilated or dying by the same chemical weapons. Vietnam has the youngest population in the world. In 1968 there was talk in Washington about the use of nuclear weapons in Vietnam.
Maybe I'm just old or it's my love for the ocean, but this video got to my emotions. Also, just made me happy that the person being interviewed, seems to really love his job, and was probably so thrilled to be able to share a bit of the fascinating work he does. Really enjoyed this video.
I wish I could have a job I love like this. This would be a blast to cover up with, but Inhave a better chance at learned Mandarin Chinese than understanding all of the math involved in stuff like this.
It blew me away when I saw them standing next to the model and it was way larger than it appeared in the pool. In the pool it looks so tiny but that also made me realize how large the waves actually can become in there. Very amazing.
I have the pleasure of visiting this facility while working for NOAA. We were testing new current meters there. That was many years ago. The capacity for test and research was and continues to impress.
One question this video didn't answer, and maybe someone who has been there can... How is the water sealed, on the two motion 'coasts' of the pool? I was surprised to see the backs of the wave paddles, and the faces seemed independent (not visibly connected by a membrane). What keeps the water from getting past them?
@@CineSoar From what I could tell, they have a continuous membrane that is connected between them. It looks like that membrane also has folds between the actuator 'faces' -to allow flexing.
Research implies a free-flow of ideas for most scientists, militaries do not do research, they strategically release information and lock away information. They look for legit partners like NOAA who are underfunded to scrub their image.
So cool, love Miguel 's reaction to that model "much bigger than this would terrify me". His ability to scale the pool to the real world is so second nature, what a unique and amazing job.
I studied fluid dynamics, oscillations and waves and this is by far the coolest and most practical application of the theory. MinutePhysics made a video a while back about the pattern of wake trails ships and boats leave behind and the physics behind it. I loved wathcing how the theory I did on paper checks out the real world phenomenon. I believe that if more schools and universities taught this way, the world will have better and more able people in science.
That's why the US probably remains on top when it comes to military dominance in the world. Your country has a lot of money to invest in many things, like this Indoor Ocean, not to mention the expensive war simulations/games that the army carries out every year. I think that no other country can afford to do the same.
But they do teach like this, if you go to a research university. My school had nuclear reactors, simulations on computers, various real world models, etc
This is really cool! The Navy's indoor ocean is a smart way to test ships before they go in the real ocean. They can make any wave or weather, which helps keep ships safe. Amazing technology to make sure everything works well in tough conditions!
This is so rad!!! I'm a music producer and all these same principles apply to sound waves except sound waves are invisible to the eye. It's easy to hear standing waves in a room. If you play a constant low bass frequency and move around the room you can hear how certain parts of the room have boosted bass while others have nulls. So cool to actually see these principles visually!
I always heard my friend who produces say the same thing that they are almost identical with a few exceptions. That’s so cool that sound waves and water waves are basically the same thing in different forms
As a long time professional in this field, this is without question one of the best if not the best videos I have ever seen. I know many others in our company are geeking on this right now. Great work!
Thanks for including the math of how to relate models to full size behavior. At first I was thinking “sure but physics doesn’t necessarily scale like that” but of course it’s been figured out. The model footage slowed down by the correct ratio looks amazingly like the real deal. So cool!
I judged a middle school science fair and a kid was testing windmill blade designs. He used a fan as a wind source and there was basically zero difference between the designs. He admitted he knew this did not make sense in real life (a courageous thing) but he wasn't sure why. I asked him what his wind speed was and he didn't have a device to measure it. Fair enough I told him that in modeling there's a scale factor has to be factored in (like what Derek mentions for waves) but what it was I wasn't sure because I learned about 30 years ago In fluids class. "So I could be throwing a hurricane at these blades?" he asked "Precisely, and that would give you the results you're seeing" I replied.
@vibratingstring Stupidity meets science, that is WTF. It seems like you can't find a video with a reasonably large comment section that doesn't get infiltrated by one of these, frankly, morons.
As an engineering student - It's really fascinating to see some of these concepts in actual practice. In all of his content. I remember learning about Fr numbers last year and seeing how these scaling's for video time and vehicle speed represent the full scale models so accurately is so cool. I swear I learn better from his videos than I do from my actual classes 😂
I actually have a very very very big fear of indoor oceans like this. I went to a coast guard base in North Carolina in 2013 when I was in the Boy Scouts, and inside they had a wave pool, and a replica helicopter for practicing getting out of a submerged helicopter. Anyways, they turned on the pool and it started moving and I just had a secret panic attack and I was terrified. That was the day my fear was born. Watching this video is so freaking terrifying
Hey- I've got an irrational fear of indoor pools like this too. It's really strange. I swam in pools my whole life- but my freshman year in high school we had a pool in the basement and to get to it you needed to climb down this really weird stair case. I always imaged my self slipping on the stairs, hitting my head, and then falling into the pool. If they are "nice" pools, I'm fine- like in a new fitness center or a gym or something. An example where I went to HS for senior year had a brand new Olympic swimming pool and I had no issues there.
I co-op'd there during college and then continued there for anther 25 years. I can tell any young engineers that the DOD research facilities are great places to apply your skills to broad and fascinating issues. As an electrical engineer I worked on underwater acoustics for submarines, structural issues on F14 jets, using radars to understand hydrodynamics, underwater explosives to study structural strength of ship hulls. (yes, they have a blast pond). As someone else pointed out, they sponsor (and host) the human powered submarine competition in their long tow basins (actually curved to follow the curvature of the Earth). This video is a fantastic description of wave physics... really well done (as usual).
@@killahbee It's fresh water. I seem to remember that they had a special pipe from the water company since they needed such a large volume if they drained it. There is a rotating arm facility next door and of course the long tow basins that also hold a lot of water. So, there is a holding tank outdoors that can be used to help move water around. But, I wasn't in the Hydro group so I'm not positive of the workings.
@EngRMP I'm currently studying Electrical Engineering. It's a hard major but I've learned and have really begun to appreciate everyday things we take for granted, like computers and the power grid.
@@zeloganbrothers I would encourage you to look into coop (maybe it's called work/study these days). You alternate semesters between work and school. It adds to your total time at school but you get tremendous engineering experience which really adds to the engineering study. And, typically the host not only pays you a salary but also pays for education and books (not living expenses). My dad paid my freshman year and then I was able to cover the next four years with the co-op income.And, finally, the work experience helped me decide what I wanted to do after school. Good luck Ryan.
I remember visiting here when I was in high school engineering class. We were testing some mini underwater devices with servos for an assignment. I was blown away by how large the pool was. Very cool to see this place featured in your video!
My dad took me to the David Taylor Model Basin when they had an open house. I was about 10 years old and still remember it. Now, as an engineer approaching 70, I think that I would appreciate it a lot more. Thanks for posting this video!
The linear tanks at this facility were built during WW2, but this wavemaking basin was built in the early 1960's. It would have been brand new when you visited.
@Karl with a K Absolutely not. There is no software that can adequately model turbulence. Scale models are still the only way to test complex systems. Aerodynamics, earthquake motion, wave action, etc. I’ve been an engineer in these fields for more than 30 years. Software has been developed for all sorts of common needs, but it’s always limited. Also, the only way to develop and tune computer models is with controlled facilities like this.
Lovely program. Stirred up some great memories. When I was in the 8th grade (1960) my science project was a wave making machine. It was a tad smaller than the pool you visited, just 30” x 60” or so. (Some memories just don’t keep all the details). But it did make real waves and their interaction with the sand beach at one end was clearly visible. It was a fun project and even earned an honorable mention in the school science fair that year. Keep the aspidistra flying!
A lot of this knowledge surrounding wave propagation we were taught to understand as AGs (Aerographer’s Mate - basically meteorologists for the aircraft and shipboard operations) in the Navy. What I found fascinating is that while the ocean is often depicted as a turbulent environment (and it is), there are areas of it that have zero turbulence. Working on an aircraft carrier, we would sometimes come across an area with calm winds. When that happens, the surface of the water becomes glasslike. Couple that with a marine layer of a fog bank, and you’re in for a surreal time!
That glasslike phenomenon is actually quite deceptive to aviators as well. I work in flight test and when there are no waves, common pratice is to raise the "floor" of our test envelope. We've many a system to warn about one's altitude but that glass like feature has gotten many experienced aviators, it lures one right in.
0 seconds ago I was in those bad seas off of Hainan Island in a Liberty ship. 324 feet and we watched in awe these waves cresting over the bow. The freeboard on that tub was about 30'. We were battened down, I stood watch on the port side. 1967.
Your videos never feel like they’re 20 minutes long! There’s always so much research into topics that we would’ve never known if not for your videos. Love the content.
@@shellderp Even if they didn't, most channels have lower standards on what they'd consider "concise." A good narrative structure is also vital (e.g. each point of the video leads naturally to the next point).
As someone who's interested in music and sound design, it's just fascinating to see how the same math and physics principles can apply across all kinds of different fields. This universe is beautifully designed
@@krasus7858Lol what does that make you feel better, or something? Smarter, maybe? The truth is that nobody actually knows either way. However, the universe is beautifully structured, and it is absolutely not a coincidence. It functions according to natural laws built into existence. It’s not a coincidence that everything appears the way it does, no matter how you slice it. Fun fact, science has nothing to say about the deep philosophical questions that we as humans are burdened with. Using science to dismiss these questions is simply an abuse of science, and is actually anti-scientific.
I would guess that surfers have a better understanding of when the wave base interacts with the bottom, and less understanding of the dynamics where this isn't going on. I was wondering at the beginning if they'd be able to control the depth, but they probably just plan to avoid areas where it matters when the weather is bad.
I know i definitely have a very detailed understanding of waves when they start hitting the bottom, lots of very specific knowledge that is not usually covered in science classes. Especially with how small environmental changes can drastically change the final outcome of the wave.
I literally live across the street from this place and got a tour in elementary school!! It’s terrifying walking along side it just knowing how deep and how much water there truly is
What school? I got the degree, but didn't end up designing ships after I graduated, but I do alright. You're gonna get a broad education about a lot of things, and learn the valuable lessons presented by designing a system of systems. Never feel like you're getting a narrow education or have narrow prospects after you graduate. Good luck.
@@HumanFellaPerson We shouldn't support imperialism, but just being in possession of a military/navy and investing in technology is not in and of itself imperialism. That's a matter of how you actually use your military.
For those interested, Neil Degrasse Tyson's book "Accessory to War" is a must-read about the pervasive connection between military and scientific research. His focus is astrophysics, and his point is that military and science have ALWAYS been interconnected... The nations want more power and intel, so they fund the science. The connection is deeper than you think.
When Derek was talking about different oceans having different spectral content I was hoping that someone had created a 'color map' showing this detail. I think that it would be interesting to see.
NOAA kind of has, but I don’t believe anyone has farmed it for visualization yet. You can go look up the NOAA bout system and see real time wave data and historical spectral data.
There are a few approximations out there. However, developing a spectrum accurately representing a certain region is a lot of effort and very expensive. The JONSWAP spectrum, for example, was a joint industry project, funded by multiple organisations. Hence the name: JOint North Sea WAve Project.
@@ANunes06 that’s a great question! That’s how the offshore industry looks at it because you can determine a transfer function between power spectral density and floating body response!
This is such a fascinating video. I am a mariner in the Gulf of Mexico and it's true; you can really feel the difference in the waves between a smaller area like the gulf and the wide open Atlantic Ocean.
what was it like working in a segment where scientific results are held back from the public to benefit making murder machines more effective against enemies?
When I was a Cub Scout over 50 years ago, we took a field trip to that facility. It was quite impressive. I drove by there recently and notice a missile battery next to the building. I think it’s the longest building in the world.
I really fear open water or even like vast deep dark bodies of water in general so this wave pool is terrifying to look at but at the same time I'm annoyingly interested in it so it's like I'm scared but I can't stop looking 😂
why does the machines make it scarier or the fact that maybe there is something deep down there and they just haven’t checked properly or if i drown no one will notice
Very educational and informative! Also the calculations that they have to perform is amazing. I could imagine it has to be accurate in order to determine the waves. Engineers are geniuses.
I am mainly impressed that all of the wave makers are so snug together that there is zero leaking behind them, despite all that water pressure, and yet they can still move.
I think they hook over the walls of the pool so that the mount and actuator are outside of the pool walls while the paddle is the only portion submerged.
actually that's not how they work. yes they are fitted tightly however even between the tiny gaps there is a sheet that contains the water, you can see that at 1:39 they aren't fitted together so tightly that no water can escape, making the paddles fit together so snugly that without anything in between is impossible
@@JoseRodriguez-ey7ju as super cool as they are, I still think walking in that corridor behind them would be as stressful as a horror film scene, as you wait for the water to burst through and drown you before you could get out.
Back in the 1990's I actually did go swimming in the longer towing tank there at the David Taylor Model Basin. In college I took part in the human powered submarine races held there, and we broke a World Record for the fastest human powered submarine in Tennessee Tech's "Torpedo III". We went there several times and ran the timed races in the large tow tank. Lot's of us in the subs and lots of safety divers. It is a pretty amazing place.
@vibratingstring Yes, the side rails for the overhead instrument carriage are shaped to perfectly follow the Earth's curvature along the towing tank. We were allowed to go down and visit the scale model building shop, where the master model makers make the towed hulls. They had a very detailed model for almost every ship, sub, and torpedo in US inventory down there.
@vibratingstring wow, cool stuff. I was in Engineering school at the time. and fluid dynamics was my specialty. Spent my later career in Aerodynamics for 2 major jet engine makers.
In the late 70s and early 80s, the DC area whitewater canoeists and kayakers used the long pool for winter practices when the Potomac was frozen, and on a few occasions some of the paddlers were stopped from getting in at the last moment when the Navy had test subjects on the towing platform that we were not supposed to see.
I’ve seen computer simulations of waves and how they interact, but it’s SO awesome and WAY more impressive and intriguing to see it in the real physical world.
Vietnam 3,000,000 Kills instantly. Throwing napalm on children from airplanes. 3,000,000 Dead after the US left due to chemical weapons pollution left behind. People are still born mutilated or dying by the same chemical weapons. Vietnam has the youngest population in the world. In 1968 there was talk in Washington about the use of nuclear weapons in Vietnam.
@mnbvcxzlkjhgfdsapoiuytrewq The US military had its own soldiers watch the test explosions of nuclear bombs. Those people were examined by medical personnel before and after the explosions.
I’ve been trying to figure out how to scale hydraulic data/speed to size for a while now and you just gave me the golden ticket at 8:25. Not 1 over the original size, but one over the √ of the original size. Incredible. You’ve helped me so many times over the years but this one REALLY blows my mind. Thank you. Now to spend the next three days of my life researching Froude…
As an Amature Radio Operator this really help me visualize different radio frequencies.. I really liked the part from 5:10 to 6:15 as it really helped me visualize the importance of SWR calibration an how it can affect radio equipment and amplitude across frequencies. Maybe I had to much to drink but I'm sure other operators would understand what I'm saying. Thought this was awesome because on paper you can understand the principle but in water you can see the "Magic".
I was there, to do testing, many years ago. (c.1978) As impressive as the wave makers, there are also the 'beaches', and then that 'bridge' over the ocean. It's as long as a football field, and each end is on a rail car. And it can pivot 45 degrees to the tank. We were using that to tow underwater equipment. Definitely a neat place. Great to see it again!
as a child i always loved playing in the sea with the waves and i did it so much i learnt how waves work in the practical way (i had even given names to some type of waves). watching this video helped understand the theory behind them as well and thats just trully amazing. what a great video.
Story time! I joined the US Navy in 1975, recruited into the nuclear power program. My education was intense, something at which I did well, but when I got to the hands-on operation of a nuclear reactor (a safely land-locked fully-functional reactor prototype) the increased stress caused me to burn out, and I went to the fleet as a "regular" sailor. My first ship sent me to gyrocompass school, where the primary goal of the gyrocompass was always to point to True North. But to do that, the system had to account for many other effects, some of which were measured and provided as outputs to other systems, including not just navigation and ship stability systems, but also missile and gunfire control systems. The Navy had loaded me up with a ton of education, then assigned me to a completely new field for the controls for the shipboard gas turbine propulsions systems used on destroyers and cruisers. I did well in those schools (the Navy had made me VERY good at being a student), and was assigned to the awesome job of being part of the "nucleus crew" responsible for "buying" a newly-built destroyer for the Navy, taking it from the shipbuilder to active commissioned duty. My ship was the USS Harry W. Hill, DD-986, a Spruance-class destroyer. As we were nearing the end of our pre-commissioning inspections, Hurricane Frederick approached the shipyard at Pascagoula, Mississippi. All ships present and under construction were lashed to their pier moorings with triple line sets. Then it became clear that the storm would strike us especially hard, so at the last moment the decision was made to send all ships to sea that were capable of it. Which included our ship, which was still owned by the shipyard, and was operated by a civilian captain and crew, with us sailors helping out in every way possible. It was one hell of a ride. The waves were breaking OVER THE TOP OF THE SHIP, and our captain was concerned that any wave could cause us to drive ourselves into the water and to the bottom. We survived (obviously), but when we returned to port, the front of the superstructure had been "waffled", something the USS Hill proudly displayed for her entire 20-year career. Another thing also happened: All the ships sensors, many of which I knew "personally", had recorded troves of data during the storm. The data was copied and whisked away by NAVSEA (the folks responsible for ship designs) for analysis. But I got to take a look at it as well. Using a very simple model of the ship, and the recordings of its motions in all directions, I was able to reconstruct a very simple analysis of the sea state (simple, in that I hadn't yet learned differential equations, and so had to use approximations). Frederick wasn't huge as hurricanes go, but it approached and struck in a way that the shallow Gulf coast served to amplify its waves. Despite my being ON THE SHIP through the storm, looking at that data made me realize just how fortunate we had been to suffer only trivial damage. It's a testament to the extreme talent and skill of our civilian captain, "Captain Pat", to know where to point the bow and how hard to drive the engines. That's the point I want to make. Yes, models and tanks can help evolve ship designs. But it takes talented leadership and crew to make such ships do amazing things under the worst conditions, and do so without losing or damaging the ship. How does the Navy train "ship drivers" to take a vessel beyond its "book" limits? I don't know the answer, but I'm glad they've figured out how to get it done! The data indicated a high risk of destruction. Yet we "managed just fine". Go figure.
Just finished my Msc in Mec. Engineering with a wave energy converter model. Interesting to see a full scale wave flume in action. The basic wave theory was very well explained. Great video.
We had a very big wave pool at SERE but it was not quite this big. It was just really interesting how rough they could make the water in such a small space without it feeling cramped in any way. We had to get dumped in with our gear and be able to get up and onto a life raft, and then be able to call over radios. Needless to say trying to sit under a tarp on rough waters in a fake storm and also hear anything is difficult
You can get into the general details about SERE without giving too many actual details of specifics. Like I can tell you about some stuff about the M1 Abrams tank but I can't give you the exact schematics and the nuances to it that isn't public knowledge
I'm an engineering student at Centrale Nantes (France) and we have a huge wave generating pool like this one in the school (although it is small compared to this one) and learning fluid dynamics with the researchers who work on these facilities is great.
This video as extra cool cause the dude you interviewed was so jolly and engaged when describing the facility. Kudos to you and your team, but extra to that guy for being so cool
Money can buy anything. I'm sure if someone rolled up with a 5 million dollar payment, the government would just say "sup thanks welcome", get some basic safety lines in place so people can always pull themselves up, and get the party started,
I am a corporate finance nerd. I stepped away from learning science when I was 15. I am so glad videos like this exist so that I can truly appreciate engineering and science. So wonderfully done. I couldn't understand a tenth of the physics that was explained but it really got me more intrigued.
Genuinely outstanding content. I appreciate your channel greatly. It's so well produced, truly interesting topics, and conveyed in a non-brow beating way. It's one of the first channels I think of when I think about UA-cam.
This takes me back to fluid mechanics class, especially when you talked about the unintuitive scaling of experiments. One of the hardest classes I've taken that's for sure!
Brings back memories, used to work offshore in the North Sea and had to do the survival refresher course every 4 years, used to dread it when I had to do the course in Aberdeen, wave machines, darkness with explosive technics and flashing lights and even staff using a fire hose on you whilst trying to get on top of the liferaft to turn it over this was then followed by the helicopter ditching and the fire fighting, luckily they toned the firefighting down a bit because of injuries etc.
honestly I could spend an ungodly amount of time just watching how waves propagate off of boats in that "pool" at a perfect calm state. 10:06 is a perfect example of what I am talking about.
As the engineer who commissioned this wave tank and wrote most of the software that controls it, it is great to see that at present 23 million people have viewed this UA-cam content. Making waves is fun and it is so much better when the users of our wave basins explore the limiits of wave making capability and use the standard wave spectra to look at how ships respond. Interesting to note that the Stephensons Institute tank showed that a not expected hulll shape would be faster - so bringing the America's cup to the USA! The only gripe I have is that it doesn't acknowledge Edinburgh Designs the company I am a director of that specialises in creating wave tanks like this.
This is fascinating stuff to a guy who spent 20 years sailing in the Navy from the North Atlantic to the Arabian Gulf. I actually had a shore tour with the David Taylor Research Center working with surface effect ships at their Patuxent River facility. Amongst the cool stuff we did there we did get to tour the Carderock facility and see the tow basin where they can pull model hulls over a one mile long pool that, IIRC, follows the curvature of the earth. Neat place doing useful research for us squids. Thanks for that.
@@Schervin The Persian Gulf, sometimes called the Arabian Gulf, is a mediterranean sea in Western Asia. The body of water is an extension of the Indian Ocean located between Iran and the Arabian Peninsula. It is connected to the Gulf of Oman in the east by the Strait of Hormuz. Wikipedia
I had done the Blackhawk water survival training at the indoor ocean in South Korea. I had conquered a lot of fears I didn’t even know I had, and experienced more than many others may never know. I also learned that despite my training, the chance of survival is less than 10% no matter how good you are at it 😅
I have seen only two videos of this man and i am now found of him because of his creativity and of showing the relevant things that are diversified in the nature like this man woyld touch every aspect of logy in his video in terms of recreation, info, scientific concepts. love you man. Love from kashmir (India)
I dreaded my time studying Fluid Mechanics back then but these are the kinds of videos that show their actual application reinvigorated my interest in the subject Excellent video overall
My thalassophobia was seriously kicking in when they said that was 20’. I’m always afraid of getting sucked down drains and hate taking baths or swimming in the deep end of a pool. I was having heart palpitations through this entire video. But it was great and I still enjoyed it!!!
Oh is that what it’s called???? I’m the same way. Some of my weird bad dreams contain of tubs or pools with mechanisms at the bottom …yes I hate pool drains too.😂 I’m still wondering what the drains must look like in this pool
The point about different bodies of water hit me, because when I was in the Navy, I used to rent sailboats (21/25 footers) a lot and sail on the ocean. Then I moved back to Michigan, and eventually had a 27 footer that I sailed there. I quickly learned that wind conditions that would not have been too bad on the ocean, could make for a very beasty ride on Lake Michigan.
We also have tanks and pools for every kind of simulation in the Netherlands. Question is why this pool has to be so big for those small models. Unless a model will be 30 m. (About 90 feet)
@@wake-upcall4867 I would say maybe scale was bigger at one time, or if they're worried about multiple ships and how they interact together, like maybe a carrier group. Also could just be inertia like the bay has to be big enough to get the proper scale and tolerances
@@wake-upcall4867 scale factors start to limit what you can do with smaller basins and wave paddles. Water viscosity etc. starts to affect the wave form and you hit limitations in scales/waves that you can test. End of the day: bigger is better!
Fascinating. Waves are so intersting, and understanding them requires some really sophisticated math. That these guys can create and replicate wave types is so cool. Thanks for another enlightening video!
Miguel just strikes me as that dude who could be both the chill best friend and the total brains of the bunch. He could totally be that laid back college professor who you learn the most from and consistently gets top ranks from the students.
I used to work at Carderock as an engineer and saw the indoor pool a few times. I worked on writing simulators, so I never interacted with this sort of stuff, but I don't think it's used very often these days. Ah, good times. Cool to see a video like this pop up randomly.
I really loved this video! I'm an oceanography graduate, and watching this excited me at another level. Thanks for all this wonderful content, Derek 🙌🤝💙
Vietnam 3,000,000 Kills instantly. Throwing napalm on children from airplanes. 3,000,000 Dead after the US left due to chemical weapons pollution left behind. People are still born mutilated or dying by the same chemical weapons. Vietnam has the youngest population in the world. In 1968 there was talk in Washington about the use of nuclear weapons in Vietnam.
6:42 I'm impressed by how accurate they can make "the bullseye". So many moving parts and they are able to precisely define where they want the waves to crash over
I was a US navy submarine sonar tech and was always grateful to be able to go under the waves as opposed to over them. Though when you feel the boat rocking at 150ft you know it's going to be an interesting PD trip 😉😂
This is a very interesting video! I’m obsessed with anything Ocean related , the break down of the waves was quite fascinating, everything else was cool too
Very cool video! Nice to see ocean engineering getting more representation. I've been to a couple different wave basin facilities similar to this one (testing wave energy converts) I think one topic that could have been discussed here is the Dispersion Relation, which mathematically identifies the changes in wave speed with frequency, although it is usually only used with linear wave theory. Another topic could have been the Stokes Drift, essentially the net particle transport moving with the waves, and the reason your rubber duck took so long to get to the breaking wave.
@Greg Dame yeah essentially it's the net horizontal velocity of a surface water particle due to wave action. According to linear wave theory, this net transport should be zero. The particle should make a full circular rotation. Stokes theory accounts for nonlinearities that allow this net horizontal motion. There is a wiki page on stokes drift if you care for more info!
This is the most amazing thing I've seen all day. I had no idea this existed and now all I want to do is join the navy to do boot camp training to swim in this and I'm an Army guy.
I have lived near this facility since the early 70s and have always wanted to take a tour, but never had an opportunity.. I even knew someone who worked there in the late 70s, but never made it in there. This was the most amazing video I have seen about the facility.. Thank you for this... And let me know when you film a followup... I'll carry your bags just to come along for the ride!! :-)
I love how even in the highest echelons of the United States scientific community, a foot ball stadium is the go-to metric to communicate area.
🤣🤣
Most people i believe can visualize the size of a football field.
'merica
is very small them
Well they aren't gonna say soccer
I don't know how I got here, and I know nothing of the subject, but this was super cool to learn about
same
same
💯
I'm in the same boat! 😂🙄😅..... (🌽 Y comment)
Agreed! Lol..😂
The most interesting takeaway for me was, that different oceans require different strategies/ships.
Until now, my perception of boat ranged from small to big, but not in the dimension of place of operation.
I was on 150' ships in Gulf of Mexico & Pacific Ocean. The first day on different water I'd be queasy from the difference.
The most interesting takeaway for me is these people have a way more fun job than I do. :)
but what about "space-time"?
@knicklichtjedi and the fact that the CO had a stateroom with a large bed frame mattress while the crew are in racks the size of coffins.
*Dont_Read_My_Names* .😑
..
Why does everything seem interesting a day before exam
True😂
actually
and the intresting things are everything but the exam
Damn so true😢
How Tf did u know?!
This really makes me realize how incredibly intelligent humans are. To know the nature and derive equations and make these equipments for maximum safety it’s just beyond imagination which is made possible by humans if you really think about it, amazingly fearless and brave.
@@Money37945lol
Mad how America can make such things as this but can't help 3rd world counties 😂 maybe this was funded by all the stolen oil money 💀
I always find it so fascinating against the juxtaposition of the many ways we really are animals. We can make these amazing indoor oceans, all these spectacular feats of engineering, yet we still panic like we're prepared to fight, we still seek dopamine rushes because of programming, we still fear death and crave intimacy... To me, I find that to be the most incredible part. It's not like the way we evolved our intelligence made it replace those more primal instincts -- it was just added alongside them, added on top. I think that's what makes us so exceptionally complex too. If we were just one or the other, we'd be boring and predictable. Instead, we can harness both of them to do amazing things and live happy lives! :)
Humans are idiots and we are slowly destroying this beautiful planet
@@Know3ody stay mad.
This is important for those of us who have been out in the ocean and facing 50-70' waves. The US Navy has lost 16 ships due to weather since 1900 and many more prior to that. So as a former sailor I can understand how important this pool and the study of Hull design is.
70' waves is kinda hard to wrap my head around tbh lol, that's frickin nuts!
Edit: is a wave measured from peak to trough, or is it measured from the middle of the wave (which I assume is sea level but idk) to top/bottom of the peak/trough?
I'm a dirty landlubber so I tend to think about [ocean] waves in the wrong way. Despite what my brain wants to think, a wave isn't just a section where the water is higher, it's usually a place with a section of water _lower_ than normal *AND* a section of water that is higher (which is super obvious since that's basically the definition of a wave lol). So I guess my question is if a 70' wave is more of a swell from -35' to 35', or if it means the wave is literally 70' above sea level (which seems to me would mean it probably goes down roughly 70' below sea level too..? Is that the case?)
Edit2: ah, p-p amplitude is the term is was looking for. Is a wave height measured by peak-peak amplitude, or half of that value (which is what most people call regular 'amplitude', I think), or some other third way I haven't thought of?
@@idontwantahandlethough In 1968 I was in a force 5 typhoon in the Tiawan Straights which is just incidently some of the roughest water in the world without a 150 MPH wind to drive it. It is a miracle that we survived in the 265' ship we were in.
Its interesting how many ships have been lost to weather. Today with satellite weather imaging & reporting there should be no reason to run ships into conditions where there is a risk to the vessel & crew. Unless the command ignores the weather information.
They don't lose ships due to hull design, they lose ships do to error in operation. If your commander put you in 70 ft waves he's the problem.
@@briancavanagh7048 Well some ran aground in heavy weather about 5 in that 16 count, many more have found shallow water during that period but have not sunk. There is an old saying about Captains "there are those who have run agound and those who will run agound" Of course those who do are generally no longer comanding a ship.
This is actually an amazing feat of engineering
@zubairzahid9259 nice
A verified comment with under 1000 likes? WHAT!
Yes, excellent site
@@manueldasilva4395 Vietnam 3,000,000 Kills instantly.
Throwing napalm on children from airplanes.
3,000,000 Dead after the US left due to chemical weapons pollution left behind.
People are still born mutilated or dying by the same chemical weapons.
Vietnam has the youngest population in the world.
In 1968 there was talk in Washington about the use of nuclear weapons in Vietnam.
@@GlowingEraser Mayby you should do an IQ test.
Maybe I'm just old or it's my love for the ocean, but this video got to my emotions. Also, just made me happy that the person being interviewed, seems to really love his job, and was probably so thrilled to be able to share a bit of the fascinating work he does. Really enjoyed this video.
Yes❤
Agree!
I wish I could have a job I love like this. This would be a blast to cover up with, but Inhave a better chance at learned Mandarin Chinese than understanding all of the math involved in stuff like this.
He could also just be highly highly trained in PR and is putting on a show for the camera.
It blew me away when I saw them standing next to the model and it was way larger than it appeared in the pool. In the pool it looks so tiny but that also made me realize how large the waves actually can become in there. Very amazing.
I am not sure if that really was the same model or just a larger scale model. But please prove me wrong
Timestamp?
@@Alex_w17 17:27
@@jaraskur 8:35 it's the same model. It's a specific size for specific mathematical reasons.
@@SlackerU there are ships of many diff sizes.. diff sized models for each size
I have the pleasure of visiting this facility while working for NOAA. We were testing new current meters there. That was many years ago. The capacity for test and research was and continues to impress.
As did I with yet another prodigious 4 letter acronym. Quite the small wonder of technology.
Is this in oregon??
One question this video didn't answer, and maybe someone who has been there can... How is the water sealed, on the two motion 'coasts' of the pool? I was surprised to see the backs of the wave paddles, and the faces seemed independent (not visibly connected by a membrane). What keeps the water from getting past them?
@@CineSoar From what I could tell, they have a continuous membrane that is connected between them. It looks like that membrane also has folds between the actuator 'faces' -to allow flexing.
Research implies a free-flow of ideas for most scientists, militaries do not do research, they strategically release information and lock away information. They look for legit partners like NOAA who are underfunded to scrub their image.
Damn the US Navy really just saw the ocean and was like "I want one"
Space Force: *Heavy Breathing*
@@yaboi3839 Space Force: *Chokes to death because they got what they wanted*
@@isaacperkins9603 they've got it at Nasa's Plum Brook research centre
@@wojciechbieniek4029 Yes...But *gravity*
@@isaacperkins9603 heh...send it into space then. Isn't that the whole point of the ISS? Just do the same.
You know this guy loves his job when even his shirt is wind and waves. What a cool guy.
I was there
So cool, love Miguel 's reaction to that model "much bigger than this would terrify me". His ability to scale the pool to the real world is so second nature, what a unique and amazing job.
buddy
@@cheezelizzard6707m😮.
@@Drewskiii0 dad?
@@ot6443 hey buddy i think the website that you were running with that huge bucket dosnt work very well can you add a heavy irrigation Pivot?
I studied fluid dynamics, oscillations and waves and this is by far the coolest and most practical application of the theory. MinutePhysics made a video a while back about the pattern of wake trails ships and boats leave behind and the physics behind it. I loved wathcing how the theory I did on paper checks out the real world phenomenon. I believe that if more schools and universities taught this way, the world will have better and more able people in science.
That's why the US probably remains on top when it comes to military dominance in the world. Your country has a lot of money to invest in many things, like this Indoor Ocean, not to mention the expensive war simulations/games that the army carries out every year. I think that no other country can afford to do the same.
Super cool! What an interesting degree 👏.
@@User-jr7vf And don't forget they can shovel piles of money into youtubers with no morals so they can do military propaganda videos like this one
But they do teach like this, if you go to a research university. My school had nuclear reactors, simulations on computers, various real world models, etc
*Dont_Read_My_Names* .😑
..
This is really cool! The Navy's indoor ocean is a smart way to test ships before they go in the real ocean. They can make any wave or weather, which helps keep ships safe. Amazing technology to make sure everything works well in tough conditions!
This is so rad!!! I'm a music producer and all these same principles apply to sound waves except sound waves are invisible to the eye. It's easy to hear standing waves in a room. If you play a constant low bass frequency and move around the room you can hear how certain parts of the room have boosted bass while others have nulls. So cool to actually see these principles visually!
never thought about this how cool
Need some bass traps bro :P
Every kind of wave behaves that way. That's why it's a wave.
mushrooms help u see sound
I always heard my friend who produces say the same thing that they are almost identical with a few exceptions. That’s so cool that sound waves and water waves are basically the same thing in different forms
As a long time professional in this field, this is without question one of the best if not the best videos I have ever seen. I know many others in our company are geeking on this right now. Great work!
ok
ok
Best way to show how cool your work is hahah
Surfline?
@@dylanelliott866 Yessir
Thanks for including the math of how to relate models to full size behavior. At first I was thinking “sure but physics doesn’t necessarily scale like that” but of course it’s been figured out. The model footage slowed down by the correct ratio looks amazingly like the real deal. So cool!
I judged a middle school science fair and a kid was testing windmill blade designs. He used a fan as a wind source and there was basically zero difference between the designs. He admitted he knew this did not make sense in real life (a courageous thing) but he wasn't sure why.
I asked him what his wind speed was and he didn't have a device to measure it. Fair enough
I told him that in modeling there's a scale factor has to be factored in (like what Derek mentions for waves) but what it was I wasn't sure because I learned about 30 years ago In fluids class.
"So I could be throwing a hurricane at these blades?" he asked
"Precisely, and that would give you the results you're seeing" I replied.
@vibratingstring Stupidity meets science, that is WTF. It seems like you can't find a video with a reasonably large comment section that doesn't get infiltrated by one of these, frankly, morons.
As an engineering student - It's really fascinating to see some of these concepts in actual practice. In all of his content. I remember learning about Fr numbers last year and seeing how these scaling's for video time and vehicle speed represent the full scale models so accurately is so cool. I swear I learn better from his videos than I do from my actual classes 😂
That's exactly what I was thinking and I'm not even an engineer student😂
Is school hard? I always wondered about engineer School
I actually have a very very very big fear of indoor oceans like this. I went to a coast guard base in North Carolina in 2013 when I was in the Boy Scouts, and inside they had a wave pool, and a replica helicopter for practicing getting out of a submerged helicopter. Anyways, they turned on the pool and it started moving and I just had a secret panic attack and I was terrified. That was the day my fear was born. Watching this video is so freaking terrifying
I’d be terrified to swim in that water
Hey- I've got an irrational fear of indoor pools like this too. It's really strange. I swam in pools my whole life- but my freshman year in high school we had a pool in the basement and to get to it you needed to climb down this really weird stair case. I always imaged my self slipping on the stairs, hitting my head, and then falling into the pool.
If they are "nice" pools, I'm fine- like in a new fitness center or a gym or something. An example where I went to HS for senior year had a brand new Olympic swimming pool and I had no issues there.
i also have a massive fear of indoor water like this, never knew that other people did too!!
DBAB
Don't worry you will only remember it when you're going to sleep bro;)
I co-op'd there during college and then continued there for anther 25 years. I can tell any young engineers that the DOD research facilities are great places to apply your skills to broad and fascinating issues. As an electrical engineer I worked on underwater acoustics for submarines, structural issues on F14 jets, using radars to understand hydrodynamics, underwater explosives to study structural strength of ship hulls. (yes, they have a blast pond). As someone else pointed out, they sponsor (and host) the human powered submarine competition in their long tow basins (actually curved to follow the curvature of the Earth). This video is a fantastic description of wave physics... really well done (as usual).
Do you know if MASk is filled with saltwater or a controlled variant of, or is it unaltered tap water?
@@killahbee It's fresh water. I seem to remember that they had a special pipe from the water company since they needed such a large volume if they drained it. There is a rotating arm facility next door and of course the long tow basins that also hold a lot of water. So, there is a holding tank outdoors that can be used to help move water around. But, I wasn't in the Hydro group so I'm not positive of the workings.
@EngRMP I'm currently studying Electrical Engineering. It's a hard major but I've learned and have really begun to appreciate everyday things we take for granted, like computers and the power grid.
Cool
@@zeloganbrothers I would encourage you to look into coop (maybe it's called work/study these days). You alternate semesters between work and school. It adds to your total time at school but you get tremendous engineering experience which really adds to the engineering study. And, typically the host not only pays you a salary but also pays for education and books (not living expenses). My dad paid my freshman year and then I was able to cover the next four years with the co-op income.And, finally, the work experience helped me decide what I wanted to do after school. Good luck Ryan.
I remember visiting here when I was in high school engineering class. We were testing some mini underwater devices with servos for an assignment. I was blown away by how large the pool was. Very cool to see this place featured in your video!
It must have been cool right?
Ah, how High School has changed…
@@MrEpicAndroid take your meds, please
Yo
lucky
Do they do birthday parties?
Lord i thank you for sunshine
@@hakimasfat5068thank you for rain!😫🙏
Thank you for rain
Thank you for joy
Thank you for pain
My dad took me to the David Taylor Model Basin when they had an open house. I was about 10 years old and still remember it. Now, as an engineer approaching 70, I think that I would appreciate it a lot more. Thanks for posting this video!
My dad thought it was so cool, that when I was born….
The linear tanks at this facility were built during WW2, but this wavemaking basin was built in the early 1960's. It would have been brand new when you visited.
@Karl with a K Absolutely not. There is no software that can adequately model turbulence. Scale models are still the only way to test complex systems. Aerodynamics, earthquake motion, wave action, etc. I’ve been an engineer in these fields for more than 30 years. Software has been developed for all sorts of common needs, but it’s always limited. Also, the only way to develop and tune computer models is with controlled facilities like this.
@Karl with a K False
@Karl with a K okay you where are your sources you dense cauliflower
Lovely program. Stirred up some great memories.
When I was in the 8th grade (1960) my science project was a wave making machine. It was a tad smaller than the pool you visited, just 30” x 60” or so. (Some memories just don’t keep all the details). But it did make real waves and their interaction with the sand beach at one end was clearly visible. It was a fun project and even earned an honorable mention in the school science fair that year.
Keep the aspidistra flying!
that is so cool
Glad to hear your story, I hope you have built other things since then in your adult life, if not, theirs no day like the present, get building!
nice
Nice
People keep writing numbers with those apostrophes next to them to describe waves. What does it mean? What unit is it?
A lot of this knowledge surrounding wave propagation we were taught to understand as AGs (Aerographer’s Mate - basically meteorologists for the aircraft and shipboard operations) in the Navy.
What I found fascinating is that while the ocean is often depicted as a turbulent environment (and it is), there are areas of it that have zero turbulence. Working on an aircraft carrier, we would sometimes come across an area with calm winds. When that happens, the surface of the water becomes glasslike. Couple that with a marine layer of a fog bank, and you’re in for a surreal time!
Never been on an ocean but you see that all the time in the movies. That glass surface. Like "at the edge of the world".
My dad taught me some of this in relation to surfing and reading a wave/break/line up. Great video.
That glasslike phenomenon is actually quite deceptive to aviators as well. I work in flight test and when there are no waves, common pratice is to raise the "floor" of our test envelope. We've many a system to warn about one's altitude but that glass like feature has gotten many experienced aviators, it lures one right in.
Վ
0 seconds ago
I was in those bad seas off of Hainan Island in a Liberty ship. 324 feet and we watched in awe these waves cresting over the bow. The freeboard on that tub was about 30'. We were battened down, I stood watch on the port side. 1967.
Your videos never feel like they’re 20 minutes long! There’s always so much research into topics that we would’ve never known if not for your videos. Love the content.
This is the 20th time I've seen this copypasta on an infotainment channel.
Makes you realize most youtubers stretch their videos with fluff for more money
my wife says similar things about our sex life, unfortunately it's because it isn't
Coz this video is 20 minutes long
@@shellderp Even if they didn't, most channels have lower standards on what they'd consider "concise." A good narrative structure is also vital (e.g. each point of the video leads naturally to the next point).
Whatever floats your boat
first
second
third
@@grace-om3cdGrace is that you???
Whatever sinks your submarine
When I see long distance, low frequency waves carrying energy all the way from a storm to the coastline, that's just swell.
absolutely legendary comment here heh
You dropped this: 👑
Just as-well to coast on your puns!
👈😗👈
indeed it is
don't let that indoor pool scare you, there's only a single great white shark swimming in it
I tought about sharks too 😂
And they made the right decision not to allow waves with humans in it. There is NO NEED to risk it. And probably has many other reasons.
Lol
🦈🩶
Shout out to Miguel! You are so nice to hear and learn from you, a reall keen and open personality to explain curiousities of your work!
As someone who's interested in music and sound design, it's just fascinating to see how the same math and physics principles can apply across all kinds of different fields. This universe is beautifully designed
Nobody cares. Beat off
Amen!
Designed? Don't think so.
It is all coincidience.
@@krasus7858Lol what does that make you feel better, or something? Smarter, maybe?
The truth is that nobody actually knows either way. However, the universe is beautifully structured, and it is absolutely not a coincidence. It functions according to natural laws built into existence. It’s not a coincidence that everything appears the way it does, no matter how you slice it.
Fun fact, science has nothing to say about the deep philosophical questions that we as humans are burdened with. Using science to dismiss these questions is simply an abuse of science, and is actually anti-scientific.
like your geogebra profile pic
Anyone who has surfed for any significant time probably has an understanding of this without, perhaps, realizing the science behind it. Thanks Derek!
Surfers have binary classification. Inside or outside. Too big. Too small. Mine. Yours.
@@DrDeuteron Eh, many of them have a deeper understanding of wave propagation than you may think...
I would guess that surfers have a better understanding of when the wave base interacts with the bottom, and less understanding of the dynamics where this isn't going on. I was wondering at the beginning if they'd be able to control the depth, but they probably just plan to avoid areas where it matters when the weather is bad.
I know i definitely have a very detailed understanding of waves when they start hitting the bottom, lots of very specific knowledge that is not usually covered in science classes. Especially with how small environmental changes can drastically change the final outcome of the wave.
@@DrDeuteron it's either Dude or Duuuuuude
I literally live across the street from this place and got a tour in elementary school!! It’s terrifying walking along side it just knowing how deep and how much water there truly is
I was in 7th grade and had to get in a bus and drive there from md
It is just water bro, no need to be terrified.
@@pauldavis5665someone should push you into it and see what happens
As a college student studying naval architecture I want to thank you for shining some light on how cool our field is.
What school?
I got the degree, but didn't end up designing ships after I graduated, but I do alright. You're gonna get a broad education about a lot of things, and learn the valuable lessons presented by designing a system of systems. Never feel like you're getting a narrow education or have narrow prospects after you graduate. Good luck.
Don't support imperialism!
@@HumanFellaPerson We shouldn't support imperialism, but just being in possession of a military/navy and investing in technology is not in and of itself imperialism. That's a matter of how you actually use your military.
Naval engineering was the rocket science of yore. Many famous ppl worked on. Many nonlinear differential equations were discovered
For those interested, Neil Degrasse Tyson's book "Accessory to War" is a must-read about the pervasive connection between military and scientific research. His focus is astrophysics, and his point is that military and science have ALWAYS been interconnected... The nations want more power and intel, so they fund the science. The connection is deeper than you think.
When Derek was talking about different oceans having different spectral content I was hoping that someone had created a 'color map' showing this detail. I think that it would be interesting to see.
NOAA kind of has, but I don’t believe anyone has farmed it for visualization yet. You can go look up the NOAA bout system and see real time wave data and historical spectral data.
There are a few approximations out there. However, developing a spectrum accurately representing a certain region is a lot of effort and very expensive. The JONSWAP spectrum, for example, was a joint industry project, funded by multiple organisations. Hence the name: JOint North Sea WAve Project.
And I hear "spectra" with regards to mechanical phenomena and immediately think "What is the Power Spectral Density of these seas?"
@@ANunes06 that’s a great question! That’s how the offshore industry looks at it because you can determine a transfer function between power spectral density and floating body response!
Nice idea. But too many frequcies. You could multiply it by a human eye response and get a neat result. With some loss of information.
8:21 I have no clue on what he saying, but I like it
This is such a fascinating video. I am a mariner in the Gulf of Mexico and it's true; you can really feel the difference in the waves between a smaller area like the gulf and the wide open Atlantic Ocean.
Great
similar to the great lakes, the small ones feel small but superior feels like a sea
I retired from Carderock in 2020, after a 3+ decade career. If you are a naval architect, this is the place to be. I got to work on some cool stuff.
What code were you in?
@@david84ss structures
what was it like working in a segment where scientific results are held back from the public to benefit making murder machines more effective against enemies?
@@jesipohl6717 it was great!
Im here now (CCD) but I am absolutely loving these projects.
When I was a Cub Scout over 50 years ago, we took a field trip to that facility. It was quite impressive. I drove by there recently and notice a missile battery next to the building. I think it’s the longest building in the world.
The russian tank is even longer
@@bertrandmalas6389 cool.
how long is it?
half mile
@@sebastianpeheim8851 russian towing tank is 1300 m
I really fear open water or even like vast deep dark bodies of water in general so this wave pool is terrifying to look at but at the same time I'm annoyingly interested in it so it's like I'm scared but I can't stop looking 😂
i feel the exact same way. like it’s so scary but so cool.
Yes!!! when he asked to swim in it I was like ...are u sure
Bro same lol
why does the machines make it scarier or the fact that maybe there is something deep down there and they just haven’t checked properly or if i drown no one will notice
@@EsaúAlbarranomg yes I feel that as well! hahah
Very educational and informative! Also the calculations that they have to perform is amazing. I could imagine it has to be accurate in order to determine the waves. Engineers are geniuses.
As a surfer, I’m semi-obsessed with learning about waves. This may be the best video I’ve ever seen. Well done!
i know absolutely nothing about the navy, or boats…but this is interesting af 😭
It really is. I work for the Navy command in this video (NSWC Carderock)
I am mainly impressed that all of the wave makers are so snug together that there is zero leaking behind them, despite all that water pressure, and yet they can still move.
I think they hook over the walls of the pool so that the mount and actuator are outside of the pool walls while the paddle is the only portion submerged.
actually that's not how they work. yes they are fitted tightly however even between the tiny gaps there is a sheet that contains the water, you can see that at 1:39 they aren't fitted together so tightly that no water can escape, making the paddles fit together so snugly that without anything in between is impossible
@@JoseRodriguez-ey7ju
It's probably possible, but the wear would be insane and would quickly make the fit not-so-snug-anymore.
@@JoseRodriguez-ey7ju as super cool as they are, I still think walking in that corridor behind them would be as stressful as a horror film scene, as you wait for the water to burst through and drown you before you could get out.
@@blatherskitenoirdon’t fly in planes then, gravity is just waiting for you to slip up there
Back in the 1990's I actually did go swimming in the longer towing tank there at the David Taylor Model Basin. In college I took part in the human powered submarine races held there, and we broke a World Record for the fastest human powered submarine in Tennessee Tech's "Torpedo III". We went there several times and ran the timed races in the large tow tank. Lot's of us in the subs and lots of safety divers. It is a pretty amazing place.
@vibratingstring Yes, the side rails for the overhead instrument carriage are shaped to perfectly follow the Earth's curvature along the towing tank. We were allowed to go down and visit the scale model building shop, where the master model makers make the towed hulls. They had a very detailed model for almost every ship, sub, and torpedo in US inventory down there.
@vibratingstring wow, cool stuff. I was in Engineering school at the time. and fluid dynamics was my specialty. Spent my later career in Aerodynamics for 2 major jet engine makers.
In the late 70s and early 80s, the DC area whitewater canoeists and kayakers used the long pool for winter practices when the Potomac was frozen, and on a few occasions some of the paddlers were stopped from getting in at the last moment when the Navy had test subjects on the towing platform that we were not supposed to see.
I’ve seen computer simulations of waves and how they interact, but it’s SO awesome and WAY more impressive and intriguing to see it in the real physical world.
Vietnam 3,000,000 Kills instantly.
Throwing napalm on children from airplanes.
3,000,000 Dead after the US left due to chemical weapons pollution left behind.
People are still born mutilated or dying by the same chemical weapons.
Vietnam has the youngest population in the world.
In 1968 there was talk in Washington about the use of nuclear weapons in Vietnam.
@mnbvcxzlkjhgfdsapoiuytrewq Correct.
Nazi´s do not care.
@mnbvcxzlkjhgfdsapoiuytrewq Than why do you write nazi with a capital ???
@mnbvcxzlkjhgfdsapoiuytrewq The US military had its own soldiers watch the test explosions of nuclear bombs.
Those people were examined by medical personnel before and after the explosions.
I’ve been trying to figure out how to scale hydraulic data/speed to size for a while now and you just gave me the golden ticket at 8:25. Not 1 over the original size, but one over the √ of the original size. Incredible. You’ve helped me so many times over the years but this one REALLY blows my mind. Thank you. Now to spend the next three days of my life researching Froude…
As an Amature Radio Operator this really help me visualize different radio frequencies.. I really liked the part from 5:10 to 6:15 as it really helped me visualize the importance of SWR calibration an how it can affect radio equipment and amplitude across frequencies. Maybe I had to much to drink but I'm sure other operators would understand what I'm saying. Thought this was awesome because on paper you can understand the principle but in water you can see the "Magic".
I was there, to do testing, many years ago. (c.1978) As impressive as the wave makers, there are also the 'beaches', and then that 'bridge' over the ocean. It's as long as a football field, and each end is on a rail car. And it can pivot 45 degrees to the tank. We were using that to tow underwater equipment. Definitely a neat place. Great to see it again!
seeing this 16:25 really makes me want to work here. This looks like a really fun environment
as a child i always loved playing in the sea with the waves and i did it so much i learnt how waves work in the practical way (i had even given names to some type of waves). watching this video helped understand the theory behind them as well and thats just trully amazing. what a great video.
Story time! I joined the US Navy in 1975, recruited into the nuclear power program. My education was intense, something at which I did well, but when I got to the hands-on operation of a nuclear reactor (a safely land-locked fully-functional reactor prototype) the increased stress caused me to burn out, and I went to the fleet as a "regular" sailor. My first ship sent me to gyrocompass school, where the primary goal of the gyrocompass was always to point to True North. But to do that, the system had to account for many other effects, some of which were measured and provided as outputs to other systems, including not just navigation and ship stability systems, but also missile and gunfire control systems.
The Navy had loaded me up with a ton of education, then assigned me to a completely new field for the controls for the shipboard gas turbine propulsions systems used on destroyers and cruisers. I did well in those schools (the Navy had made me VERY good at being a student), and was assigned to the awesome job of being part of the "nucleus crew" responsible for "buying" a newly-built destroyer for the Navy, taking it from the shipbuilder to active commissioned duty.
My ship was the USS Harry W. Hill, DD-986, a Spruance-class destroyer. As we were nearing the end of our pre-commissioning inspections, Hurricane Frederick approached the shipyard at Pascagoula, Mississippi. All ships present and under construction were lashed to their pier moorings with triple line sets. Then it became clear that the storm would strike us especially hard, so at the last moment the decision was made to send all ships to sea that were capable of it. Which included our ship, which was still owned by the shipyard, and was operated by a civilian captain and crew, with us sailors helping out in every way possible.
It was one hell of a ride. The waves were breaking OVER THE TOP OF THE SHIP, and our captain was concerned that any wave could cause us to drive ourselves into the water and to the bottom. We survived (obviously), but when we returned to port, the front of the superstructure had been "waffled", something the USS Hill proudly displayed for her entire 20-year career.
Another thing also happened: All the ships sensors, many of which I knew "personally", had recorded troves of data during the storm. The data was copied and whisked away by NAVSEA (the folks responsible for ship designs) for analysis. But I got to take a look at it as well. Using a very simple model of the ship, and the recordings of its motions in all directions, I was able to reconstruct a very simple analysis of the sea state (simple, in that I hadn't yet learned differential equations, and so had to use approximations).
Frederick wasn't huge as hurricanes go, but it approached and struck in a way that the shallow Gulf coast served to amplify its waves. Despite my being ON THE SHIP through the storm, looking at that data made me realize just how fortunate we had been to suffer only trivial damage. It's a testament to the extreme talent and skill of our civilian captain, "Captain Pat", to know where to point the bow and how hard to drive the engines.
That's the point I want to make. Yes, models and tanks can help evolve ship designs. But it takes talented leadership and crew to make such ships do amazing things under the worst conditions, and do so without losing or damaging the ship. How does the Navy train "ship drivers" to take a vessel beyond its "book" limits? I don't know the answer, but I'm glad they've figured out how to get it done!
The data indicated a high risk of destruction. Yet we "managed just fine". Go figure.
Awesome story, loved reading it
This is the only comment I actually believe happened.
Oh wow. Thanks for sharing.
Could you explain what you mean by the superstructure was "waffled"?
very cool story
Just finished my Msc in Mec. Engineering with a wave energy converter model. Interesting to see a full scale wave flume in action. The basic wave theory was very well explained. Great video.
So in all engineering and technology and science. Waves are literally waves like in ripples that's so cool
It’s even more beautiful when you visualize the water as sound
This is actually really cool, like I had no idea wave physics functioned in such a uniform fashion.
We had a very big wave pool at SERE but it was not quite this big. It was just really interesting how rough they could make the water in such a small space without it feeling cramped in any way. We had to get dumped in with our gear and be able to get up and onto a life raft, and then be able to call over radios.
Needless to say trying to sit under a tarp on rough waters in a fake storm and also hear anything is difficult
SERE? Are you allowed to all about that lol isn’t there a nondisclosure agreement
@@jacobr8790 I would have assumed so.
You can get into the general details about SERE without giving too many actual details of specifics. Like I can tell you about some stuff about the M1 Abrams tank but I can't give you the exact schematics and the nuances to it that isn't public knowledge
I'm an engineering student at Centrale Nantes (France) and we have a huge wave generating pool like this one in the school (although it is small compared to this one) and learning fluid dynamics with the researchers who work on these facilities is great.
This video as extra cool cause the dude you interviewed was so jolly and engaged when describing the facility. Kudos to you and your team, but extra to that guy for being so cool
This was absolutely fascinating. I know he said nobody is allowed to swing in that pool but how many have swam in that pool and how much fun was it?
I wonder what it tastes like
Money can buy anything. I'm sure if someone rolled up with a 5 million dollar payment, the government would just say "sup thanks welcome", get some basic safety lines in place so people can always pull themselves up, and get the party started,
Bro that pool looks like a nightmare
@@Douglas.kong33 fr you can't pay me 1m to swim there what if someone didn't know you were there
I have scuba dived in that "pool" when working on a Titanic project for the Discovery Channel back in the 90s (Titanic: Answers From The Abyss)
I am a corporate finance nerd. I stepped away from learning science when I was 15. I am so glad videos like this exist so that I can truly appreciate engineering and science. So wonderfully done. I couldn't understand a tenth of the physics that was explained but it really got me more intrigued.
Genuinely outstanding content. I appreciate your channel greatly. It's so well produced, truly interesting topics, and conveyed in a non-brow beating way. It's one of the first channels I think of when I think about UA-cam.
9:22 *In back, In my lab coat and drop knee flippers* "Uh who deleted all my party-wave presets?" "Great...Well there goes lunch "
This takes me back to fluid mechanics class, especially when you talked about the unintuitive scaling of experiments. One of the hardest classes I've taken that's for sure!
Brings back memories, used to work offshore in the North Sea and had to do the survival refresher course every 4 years, used to dread it when I had to do the course in Aberdeen, wave machines, darkness with explosive technics and flashing lights and even staff using a fire hose on you whilst trying to get on top of the liferaft to turn it over this was then followed by the helicopter ditching and the fire fighting, luckily they toned the firefighting down a bit because of injuries etc.
honestly I could spend an ungodly amount of time just watching how waves propagate off of boats in that "pool" at a perfect calm state. 10:06 is a perfect example of what I am talking about.
As the engineer who commissioned this wave tank and wrote most of the software that controls it, it is great to see that at present 23 million people have viewed this UA-cam content. Making waves is fun and it is so much better when the users of our wave basins explore the limiits of wave making capability and use the standard wave spectra to look at how ships respond. Interesting to note that the Stephensons Institute tank showed that a not expected hulll shape would be faster - so bringing the America's cup to the USA! The only gripe I have is that it doesn't acknowledge Edinburgh Designs the company I am a director of that specialises in creating wave tanks like this.
This is fascinating stuff to a guy who spent 20 years sailing in the Navy from the North Atlantic to the Arabian Gulf. I actually had a shore tour with the David Taylor Research Center working with surface effect ships at their Patuxent River facility. Amongst the cool stuff we did there we did get to tour the Carderock facility and see the tow basin where they can pull model hulls over a one mile long pool that, IIRC, follows the curvature of the earth. Neat place doing useful research for us squids. Thanks for that.
Persian Gulf
Where is the Arabian gulf? I can't find it on the map
@@Schervin The Persian Gulf, sometimes called the Arabian Gulf, is a mediterranean sea in Western Asia. The body of water is an extension of the Indian Ocean located between Iran and the Arabian Peninsula. It is connected to the Gulf of Oman in the east by the Strait of Hormuz. Wikipedia
@@Vivianislistening Spent 3 years running minesweepers out of Bahrain. Locals called it the Arabian Gulf. So did the folks in Qatar.
@@Ranter06 Just because some use the name doesn't make it right. Any ancient map will tell you what's right
I had done the Blackhawk water survival training at the indoor ocean in South Korea. I had conquered a lot of fears I didn’t even know I had, and experienced more than many others may never know. I also learned that despite my training, the chance of survival is less than 10% no matter how good you are at it 😅
Good at what? What are you surviving?
@@jjmcclendon3261 helicopter crash into water
I am actually learning this in school right now and this video was very helpful to understand the concept of waves. Thanks!
This was really cool. I've driven by that place many times when going hiking. Cool to see the inside.
I have seen only two videos of this man and i am now found of him because of his creativity and of showing the relevant things that are diversified in the nature like this man woyld touch every aspect of logy in his video in terms of recreation, info, scientific concepts. love you man. Love from kashmir (India)
I dreaded my time studying Fluid Mechanics back then but these are the kinds of videos that show their actual application reinvigorated my interest in the subject
Excellent video overall
as a navy veteran, this was cool to watch
My thalassophobia was seriously kicking in when they said that was 20’. I’m always afraid of getting sucked down drains and hate taking baths or swimming in the deep end of a pool. I was having heart palpitations through this entire video. But it was great and I still enjoyed it!!!
Oh is that what it’s called???? I’m the same way. Some of my weird bad dreams contain of tubs or pools with mechanisms at the bottom …yes I hate pool drains too.😂 I’m still wondering what the drains must look like in this pool
You gotta get over that fear, god damn
@@DAMfoxygrampa it’s a disorder, it’s not so easy mate
@@Arock404 same
I honestly think it’s so goofy when people say they are afraid of taking baths 💀
The point about different bodies of water hit me, because when I was in the Navy, I used to rent sailboats (21/25 footers) a lot and sail on the ocean. Then I moved back to Michigan, and eventually had a 27 footer that I sailed there. I quickly learned that wind conditions that would not have been too bad on the ocean, could make for a very beasty ride on Lake Michigan.
@@jgdecaro1
Why are you spamming this superstitious garbage in my comment thread? We're talking about science - take your religion elsewhere.
@@pdoylemi I just dont want you to take the mark.
@@jgdecaro1
There is no mark. Please don't waste my time.
@@pdoylemi There will be.
@@jgdecaro1
Sure, and Jesus is coming back any day now.
Super friendly place to work, something is always waving at you in the morning.
BRUH MADE ME LEARN 9 TH GRADE SCIENCE WHILE IM IN 8TH GRADE THANKS DUDE U GAVE A WHOLE LESSON IN 20 MIN THEN MY TEACHER CAN IN 30 HOURS
This is actually an amazing feat of engineering. I wonder if other navies have a similar ocean simulator.
They all need to figure out how to kill people more effectively so probably. Do you think that's amazing?
We also have tanks and pools for every kind of simulation in the Netherlands.
Question is why this pool has to be so big for those small models. Unless a model will be 30 m. (About 90 feet)
@@jesipohl6717 a piece of engineering is amazing independent of its use. It's technology at its peak. You don't think it is amazing?
@@wake-upcall4867 I would say maybe scale was bigger at one time, or if they're worried about multiple ships and how they interact together, like maybe a carrier group.
Also could just be inertia like the bay has to be big enough to get the proper scale and tolerances
@@wake-upcall4867 scale factors start to limit what you can do with smaller basins and wave paddles. Water viscosity etc. starts to affect the wave form and you hit limitations in scales/waves that you can test. End of the day: bigger is better!
I have a massive fear of the ocean, but I love to learn about it and how waves are formed.
I also love learning about it like I'm extremely intrigued but it's my 2nd biggest fear next to heights lol
Me too I don't know why but ocean water especially the water in this video looks very frightening especially compared to beach water
@@Stepharoni_and_Clean same here heights and oceans
You know what they say, know your enemy.
wind
Fascinating. Waves are so intersting, and understanding them requires some really sophisticated math. That these guys can create and replicate wave types is so cool. Thanks for another enlightening video!
Super interisting, love the way you simplify the science in your videos. Keep doing this !
Miguel just strikes me as that dude who could be both the chill best friend and the total brains of the bunch. He could totally be that laid back college professor who you learn the most from and consistently gets top ranks from the students.
When the engineer says "I guess it's a risk thing" about going on the water with waves, I swear, it sounds like he really wants to anyway 🤣
This looked like a very tame version from a water park. I don't see the appeal.
Ocean engineers: Ma can we go to the ocean?
Navy: No! We’ve got a perfectly good ocean at home.
I used to work at Carderock as an engineer and saw the indoor pool a few times. I worked on writing simulators, so I never interacted with this sort of stuff, but I don't think it's used very often these days. Ah, good times. Cool to see a video like this pop up randomly.
I really loved this video! I'm an oceanography graduate, and watching this excited me at another level. Thanks for all this wonderful content, Derek 🙌🤝💙
I used to work there! Super cool place, the spike wave demo and the human powered submarine races were so cool.
Human powered submarine is the BEST! Definitely the highlight of the summers when it happens.
I went there several years ago for a meeting and did a tour. It's really cool.
Doing what you love is the cornerstone of having abundance in your life.
This is probably the coolest fluid wave dynamics video ever. You've got a real knack for this sir. Thank you for all that you do! 🙏♥
Vietnam 3,000,000 Kills instantly.
Throwing napalm on children from airplanes.
3,000,000 Dead after the US left due to chemical weapons pollution left behind.
People are still born mutilated or dying by the same chemical weapons.
Vietnam has the youngest population in the world.
In 1968 there was talk in Washington about the use of nuclear weapons in Vietnam.
@@ener8035 cry
15:55 idk why but that little boat spreading around was hella funny to me
This is such a fascinating topic that is very informative on a deeper level.
Such a well made video, so thank you, Veritasium!
I pass by this facility everyday when I go to swim practice. Never knew it was this complex.
6:42 I'm impressed by how accurate they can make "the bullseye". So many moving parts and they are able to precisely define where they want the waves to crash over
Miguel is a nice dude and you can really see that he enjoys his profession.
I was a US navy submarine sonar tech and was always grateful to be able to go under the waves as opposed to over them. Though when you feel the boat rocking at 150ft you know it's going to be an interesting PD trip 😉😂
This is a very interesting video! I’m obsessed with anything Ocean related , the break down of the waves was quite fascinating, everything else was cool too
Very cool video! Nice to see ocean engineering getting more representation. I've been to a couple different wave basin facilities similar to this one (testing wave energy converts) I think one topic that could have been discussed here is the Dispersion Relation, which mathematically identifies the changes in wave speed with frequency, although it is usually only used with linear wave theory. Another topic could have been the Stokes Drift, essentially the net particle transport moving with the waves, and the reason your rubber duck took so long to get to the breaking wave.
Wow a very intelligent person, so many words I can't understand
Can you briefly explain stokes drift?
@Greg Dame yeah essentially it's the net horizontal velocity of a surface water particle due to wave action. According to linear wave theory, this net transport should be zero. The particle should make a full circular rotation. Stokes theory accounts for nonlinearities that allow this net horizontal motion. There is a wiki page on stokes drift if you care for more info!
@@royalcrown2238they want you to feel that way
This is the most amazing thing I've seen all day. I had no idea this existed and now all I want to do is join the navy to do boot camp training to swim in this and I'm an Army guy.
I have lived near this facility since the early 70s and have always wanted to take a tour, but never had an opportunity.. I even knew someone who worked there in the late 70s, but never made it in there. This was the most amazing video I have seen about the facility.. Thank you for this... And let me know when you film a followup... I'll carry your bags just to come along for the ride!! :-)
This is the one in Potomac right?