The beginning of Tom felt really genuine. He’s now become everything he would speak out on. But we are just fake fans right? I supported Tom and Nova every time they asked. Then it just kept going, and going.. and going. Can’t do it anymore. It’s not even new content. Nothing feels original any longer. It happens. I’ve fallen off from many artists since their intentions become about the color green in front of morality.
as soon as he started begging people to buy singles on itunes; so he could game the digital sales charts for bragging rights. I couldn't really be down anymore. It's just convincing older folks to waste money on a defunct platform for a product that is free everywhere else. (tom knows each of those sales counts as 1500 streams though; so it allows him to bounce for a week on the chart). OK... at first it didn't bother me. But the guy never ever stops. And then uses his youtube view count to make bombastic claims about how big he is. As if people who are into real music give two F's about how "big" someone is.
Truth was Mac didn’t get divorced, his career wasn’t ended as he was on tour with Swifty McVay from D12 and was on several cyphers. Tom pretty much dragged him through the mud because he didn’t want to respond to Church. As for Nova, Tom brought in Mac’s wife in God Mode and the other diss tracks along with his kids. With battle rap, nothing is off limits. Not to mention she ghost writes a bunch of Tom’s tracks.
@@mapzpoker Rubbish. They were solid. I personally flew 4,500 kms to watch one in Australia. There's a common trend to do small venues. Less demand for logistics to carry your gear and you market it as exclusive and get a higher ticket price.
@@sectionzer0w893proof of what, that he’s not divorced? Watch Crypt’s review. He knows Mac and has done a Cypher with him. He talked to him and his wife was across the table with him.
@@bongtoka69 they are literally still using the name D12. It’s a brand, not exclusive to a fixed line up. That is like saying White Snake, AC/DC, pink Floyd ect should have changed their names.
Tom had also said that he destroyed his career and it felt like he was carrying a corpse. So, I could see why that Mac might feel that it made him look weak and strike back.
Definitely fighting words to a professional battle rapper. That excuse shouldn’t fly after this song… he is not dead, and apparently, he did not yield 😂
In my opinion, Mac Lethal won that first battle. Tom's first diss was lame. Then Mac completely dismantled Tom. Then Tom's last diss had some good lines, but he really didn't rebuttal much. Tom's second diss, should've been his first. I've been for the culture of hip-hop for 40 years now, so I'm getting to be an old head. Lol. Having said that, Tom and Nova (and Nova should know better) are grifters. Using hip-hop to manipulate the right, suburb dwellers, into thinking, he's one of them. Yes, Nova has a reputation in the hip-hop community. Mac Lethal was in Rhyme Sayers. Definitely, one of the pioneers of indie rap. Mac is a legit battle rapper. Got to the finals of Scribble Jam numerous times and won one time. He's legit. Srop with the cope. Be an actual hip-hop fan.
Mac Lethal killed it real hip hop people know. just so you know there not many right wing rappers. I would try not to be to bias if you are going to do rap reaction. you judge on the skill is the point. he made it simple for tom fans to under stand.
You said you think you could do a rap battle with Mac? 😂😂😂 You already said you don't know much about rap, and it really shows. You said you don't even know who Kendrick is 🤣🤣🤣
@@CaveManParadigm you need to go listen to his remake of eminems song Role Model. He did a pretty good job. It might persuade your opinion to change a bit.
There's crazy how upset he got from that 9 minute song this was the verse that hit him hard The internet in love with beef, they want rappers at war But I don't care who's comin' at me I swore that I wouldn't do disses no more The last time I battled the man that I trampled Lost his career and then had a divorce That wasn't fair, homie got torched I feel the weight like I'm carryin' around a corpse Honestly, I don't know if this is Him seeking attention or if it just really hit him. I mean, the last battle did end up too good.
Ye you really don't know rap, there are no rules In battle rap.and Mac had simple bars?Tom had the most basic grade school bars no multi syllables nothing!
It's funny I didn't even know this guy was even around till you watched this if I didn't just find your channel I wouldn't have even known this guy was around
If you want to get a good intro to breakdown to rap and all the call backs watch some of Knox hills videos the man’s forgotten more about rap history than most will know.
Mac needs to keep it simple to rile up Tom's fans and have then push him to battle. Upchurch used doubles and triples, but because the Hogs don't do complex, they missed most of it. Like the 'Doesn't even cut his own grass' bar, wasn't just about Tom never doing physical labour. It was a bar highlighting the fact that Nova is still married to a photographer and she and Tom are commiting adultery, while making claims of following christian ideals.
I'm sorry man... But although upchurch has some literary devices that were cleverly used. He is incredibly far from being "complex". He is ahead of Tom; that is for sure; actually in comparison to Tom I would say Ryan is like Shakespeare or something. But he's pretty elementary in comparison to many rappers. I'd put Upchurch at the top end of what you might expect in pop hip hop scenes and radio play shit. I think Mac has always been a little weak on the flow but he has some good lyrical chops. His Irish Goodbye album had some good music writing and hooks as well. Great lyrics in it. But for most his career he kind of struggled in that department. I guess that first album he dropped with the black widow spider song; on Rhyme Sayers.. That was a pretty good album. I haven't listened for a long ass time but I still got it somewhere. maybe I'll revisit.
@@CaveManParadigm Bullshit. He still does it. However, it was said that if you are one of those just using his name for views, he won't keep undoing claims. Why should he?
Nova is his videographer, she dissed as much as he did with the track. Youre not informed enough on this shit at all homie. You want to react to diss tracks you gotta get with the program.
It's a long road, bud, but it's an enjoyable one. I'd you're aligned with Tom's politics, it might be a tough one, but reactors worth listening to can remain objective. Hopefully you're one of those, man.
Me too. And I think of all the reactors that I started watching Tom with, left the scene saying he copyrighted them all to nonsensical levels, and I don’t like that part of things either. I don’t follow man blindly due to my faith, so I don’t have this insane kool aid level loyalty. It’s summed up perfectly when people say, Dear Rappers connected with the people because he was coming from such a place so many could relate to. Now, he’s essentially become what Dear Rappers is about. Trying to sell me something just for a buck.
Tom lied. Mac isn't divorced. Thats why he responded, because not only is Tom bringing it up, he's actively lying about his family life and his career. also Nova writes with Tom and they brought up Mac's kids first so she can catch some lines too. Tom's moving like a coked up stripper lol. Also Tom would never step in the lyrical ring with Mac at KotD or rhymesayers or anything like that, Mac's a very decorated battle rapper. Tom's a commercial artist and he knows Mac would eat him alive. Also if you haven't yet you should react to the beef between Kendrick Lamar and Drake, I'd compare it to Pac and Biggie for this generation, just without the violence.
I loved the reaction seemed honest and genuine thanks for doing it I subscribed and by the way… I can’t stand MacDonald… yuck 🤮 but I love Lethal 😂 and I’m glad he did this song and Tommy won’t dare respond to it because he’s a PUNK! Thanks for the video.
Only took Mac years to say sorry and then come out and call someone a nazi after he got Benoit'd in the final song lmfao Mac's final career moment will be when he finally jumps
But none of it of it is true he did not get divorced and he as Mack lethal is not divorced and did not divorce or lose his career he tours and is touring with big names
Nah, you cant even hide your bias. And battle rap is definitely pit of your wheelhouse. But ill gove you credit for trying. As a Canadian you guys can have Tom.
Read Tom’s comments. A lot of his fans ARE genuinely racist and there is plenty of his fans that hate rap but only like Tom because of his political garbage he spews.
@@CaveManParadigm screw the media. I see genuine racist comments in Tom’s comments. I see his “fans” say stuff like “Tom is awesome cause he tells it like it is and he ain’t black.” 🤦♂️
2 attempts he only had 1? And Tom’s weren’t very good either. The entire back and forth was weak. Mac seemed more of a silly diss type of shit. This was far better than either of them had in the first battle. Mac doesn’t really do UA-cam anymore because he doesn’t really need to. But never been relevant? Dude is one of the best battle rappers so he was very relevant at one point. Years for a revisit? He sneak dissed him and threw shade at him while lying about a divorce.
The beginning of Tom felt really genuine. He’s now become everything he would speak out on. But we are just fake fans right?
I supported Tom and Nova every time they asked. Then it just kept going, and going.. and going.
Can’t do it anymore. It’s not even new content. Nothing feels original any longer. It happens. I’ve fallen off from many artists since their intentions become about the color green in front of morality.
Fantastic comment 👏
as soon as he started begging people to buy singles on itunes; so he could game the digital sales charts for bragging rights. I couldn't really be down anymore. It's just convincing older folks to waste money on a defunct platform for a product that is free everywhere else. (tom knows each of those sales counts as 1500 streams though; so it allows him to bounce for a week on the chart).
OK... at first it didn't bother me. But the guy never ever stops. And then uses his youtube view count to make bombastic claims about how big he is. As if people who are into real music give two F's about how "big" someone is.
The capital being stormed wasn’t a setup. Stop pushing lies. The Gateway Pundit and that garbage isn’t news. It’s lies to spread hatred.
Truth was Mac didn’t get divorced, his career wasn’t ended as he was on tour with Swifty McVay from D12 and was on several cyphers. Tom pretty much dragged him through the mud because he didn’t want to respond to Church.
As for Nova, Tom brought in Mac’s wife in God Mode and the other diss tracks along with his kids. With battle rap, nothing is off limits. Not to mention she ghost writes a bunch of Tom’s tracks.
i heard that tour was basiclly empty shows but im sure macs doin fine financially either way
@@mapzpoker Rubbish. They were solid. I personally flew 4,500 kms to watch one in Australia. There's a common trend to do small venues. Less demand for logistics to carry your gear and you market it as exclusive and get a higher ticket price.
do you have proof?
@@sectionzer0w893proof of what, that he’s not divorced? Watch Crypt’s review. He knows Mac and has done a Cypher with him. He talked to him and his wife was across the table with him.
@@bongtoka69 they are literally still using the name D12. It’s a brand, not exclusive to a fixed line up. That is like saying White Snake, AC/DC, pink Floyd ect should have changed their names.
If Tom feels so bad about what he did to Mac Lethal then why does he bring it up every chance he gets?
Facts
Tom hasnt brought him up in awhile he only brought him out in the passed 4 years to say "i feel bad"
@@sectionzer0w893he took cheap shots whip saying I feel bad and lying about the divorce
@@AG-_-Blockz proof or just lying
@@sectionzer0w893 google is free homie.
Tom had also said that he destroyed his career and it felt like he was carrying a corpse. So, I could see why that Mac might feel that it made him look weak and strike back.
Definitely fighting words to a professional battle rapper. That excuse shouldn’t fly after this song… he is not dead, and apparently, he did not yield 😂
After the last song they apologized and buried the shit according to both of them... I guess we can expect more songs making fun of him and his family
Tom has no fucking chance agains mac in live rap battle
Yeah. A scribble jam champ, vs an algorithm trend following chump
Yeah, a big difference right. You got a link to a good rap battle.
In my opinion, Mac Lethal won that first battle. Tom's first diss was lame. Then Mac completely dismantled Tom. Then Tom's last diss had some good lines, but he really didn't rebuttal much. Tom's second diss, should've been his first. I've been for the culture of hip-hop for 40 years now, so I'm getting to be an old head. Lol. Having said that, Tom and Nova (and Nova should know better) are grifters. Using hip-hop to manipulate the right, suburb dwellers, into thinking, he's one of them.
Yes, Nova has a reputation in the hip-hop community.
Mac Lethal was in Rhyme Sayers. Definitely, one of the pioneers of indie rap.
Mac is a legit battle rapper. Got to the finals of Scribble Jam numerous times and won one time. He's legit.
Srop with the cope. Be an actual hip-hop fan.
Thank you for the schooling on this one. 👍
Mac Lethal killed it real hip hop people know. just so you know there not many right wing rappers. I would try not to be to bias if you are going to do rap reaction. you judge on the skill is the point. he made it simple for tom fans to under stand.
Haha, that's so funny 😁 I think you could be right. Lol
You said you think you could do a rap battle with Mac? 😂😂😂
You already said you don't know much about rap, and it really shows. You said you don't even know who Kendrick is 🤣🤣🤣
I heard that and shook my head. To be unaware of Kendrick and to hate on Em.
You got me there, that's funny and true 👍
It's a CaveMan Paradigm indeed. Lmao 🤣
You always know if it’s a bias Tom fan reacting to a Tom diss in the first minute. Cringe
I'm bias because of politics I have had a recent fallout with Tom.
Now man I don't know rap. I'm trying to learn through the comments.
Okay but when he comes for you don't cry
Flawdzilla went after church with no reaponse after church started it
Yeah but that doesn't disserve a response IMO
@@CaveManParadigm even with church starting it? I think thats the sole reason why he is obligated to
I hear yah, I just don't think flaws is at that level.
@@CaveManParadigm you need to go listen to his remake of eminems song Role Model. He did a pretty good job.
It might persuade your opinion to change a bit.
Samson was talking about Tom not mac. You really don't know rap."hi dave hi dave hi dave I'm not even trying"wheeew so technical
That was fire!!!
lol 😂😂😂
There's crazy how upset he got from that 9 minute song this was the verse that hit him hard The internet in love with beef, they want rappers at war
But I don't care who's comin' at me
I swore that I wouldn't do disses no more
The last time I battled the man that I trampled
Lost his career and then had a divorce
That wasn't fair, homie got torched
I feel the weight like I'm carryin' around a corpse
Honestly, I don't know if this is Him seeking attention or if it just really hit him. I mean, the last battle did end up too good.
Love how you talk about both sides. Obviously you have a preference and a winner but you still talk fairly keep going bro we love you unbiased honesty
Thanks so much, I appreciate you👍
Ye you really don't know rap, there are no rules In battle rap.and Mac had simple bars?Tom had the most basic grade school bars no multi syllables nothing!
It's funny I didn't even know this guy was even around till you watched this if I didn't just find your channel I wouldn't have even known this guy was around
My first instinct was to hate this. But the more I listen I like it.
I respect Tom, but this is a solid diss track 👊🏼
Yeah, after editing I started feeling that way even more.
So the feds started rapping again.
If you want to get a good intro to breakdown to rap and all the call backs watch some of Knox hills videos the man’s forgotten more about rap history than most will know.
Mac lethal is a battle rapper that's why he doesn't release many songs mac has the balls to stand on stage and look his opponent in the eyes
I've never seen one. Can you recommend a live battle rap freestyle?
@@CaveManParadigm GTN rap battle- Mac lethal vs dirtbag Dan
@@CaveManParadigm also Okwerdz vs Mac lethal (scribble jam 2004 rap battle)
@@CaveManParadigmI appreciate that you trying to learn more about the hip hop culture
Thank you, I love it man. I do want to lam more.
Mac needs to keep it simple to rile up Tom's fans and have then push him to battle. Upchurch used doubles and triples, but because the Hogs don't do complex, they missed most of it. Like the 'Doesn't even cut his own grass' bar, wasn't just about Tom never doing physical labour. It was a bar highlighting the fact that Nova is still married to a photographer and she and Tom are commiting adultery, while making claims of following christian ideals.
Wow, really..... wtf
Thanks for sharing that.
I'm sorry man... But although upchurch has some literary devices that were cleverly used. He is incredibly far from being "complex". He is ahead of Tom; that is for sure; actually in comparison to Tom I would say Ryan is like Shakespeare or something. But he's pretty elementary in comparison to many rappers. I'd put Upchurch at the top end of what you might expect in pop hip hop scenes and radio play shit.
I think Mac has always been a little weak on the flow but he has some good lyrical chops. His Irish Goodbye album had some good music writing and hooks as well. Great lyrics in it. But for most his career he kind of struggled in that department. I guess that first album he dropped with the black widow spider song; on Rhyme Sayers.. That was a pretty good album. I haven't listened for a long ass time but I still got it somewhere. maybe I'll revisit.
Thank you. I'll check these out. Thank you for your time explaining to me. I really do want to learn the difference
I thought he put out à video giving permission to use to react so as to avoid cr claims
Yeah, that was old Tom. Rich Tom doesn't do that.
@@CaveManParadigm Bullshit. He still does it. However, it was said that if you are one of those just using his name for views, he won't keep undoing claims. Why should he?
That's not true. He probably does for large 200k plus channels. Not for the little guys.
@@hisbean ua-cam.com/video/DdV87uFHfhU/v-deo.htmlsi=Ha7foJhkHuzzGmDs
Nova is his videographer, she dissed as much as he did with the track. Youre not informed enough on this shit at all homie. You want to react to diss tracks you gotta get with the program.
Yes that's what I'm trying to do.
It's a long road, bud, but it's an enjoyable one. I'd you're aligned with Tom's politics, it might be a tough one, but reactors worth listening to can remain objective. Hopefully you're one of those, man.
Yeah, thanks. I'm going to listen to some of these battles and try not to be bias.
you should've listen after to be continued
toms fans chased me away from liking him.... they are embarrassing. I assume thats why he doesnt do shows.
Me too. And I think of all the reactors that I started watching Tom with, left the scene saying he copyrighted them all to nonsensical levels, and I don’t like that part of things either.
I don’t follow man blindly due to my faith, so I don’t have this insane kool aid level loyalty.
It’s summed up perfectly when people say, Dear Rappers connected with the people because he was coming from such a place so many could relate to. Now, he’s essentially become what Dear Rappers is about. Trying to sell me something just for a buck.
So well said, thank you
Lethal is a battle rapper lol that's how they do it simple and to the point watch Mac vs dirtbag Dan
bragging about how he destroyed Lethal.. nah no way.. no respect for Tom if no respons
Agree 👍
Tom lied. Mac isn't divorced. Thats why he responded, because not only is Tom bringing it up, he's actively lying about his family life and his career. also Nova writes with Tom and they brought up Mac's kids first so she can catch some lines too. Tom's moving like a coked up stripper lol. Also Tom would never step in the lyrical ring with Mac at KotD or rhymesayers or anything like that, Mac's a very decorated battle rapper. Tom's a commercial artist and he knows Mac would eat him alive.
Also if you haven't yet you should react to the beef between Kendrick Lamar and Drake, I'd compare it to Pac and Biggie for this generation, just without the violence.
Wow thank you, that was educational.. it all makes sense
I loved the reaction seemed honest and genuine thanks for doing it I subscribed and by the way… I can’t stand MacDonald… yuck 🤮 but I love Lethal 😂 and I’m glad he did this song and Tommy won’t dare respond to it because he’s a PUNK! Thanks for the video.
I honestly think he's a punk too. Lol
Thank you for the comment
I used to be a tom fan in the beginning but fell off because he will do anything for money even though he raps about not doing that. Tom is a fraud
I agree with you on this 💯
If you want. I'd love for you to check out my page. It's my music and I am doing videos for it. The videos I'm still learning..If you can
This guy makes me SICK
Rap is dead.... you cursed your own God
##HOGLOVEindaCAVE #noPARADIGMStodaySIR
You cut it off too soon--missed the last lines!!!!!
Oh, no, my bad... sorry
I love when a Tom fan reacts to this and gets offended 😂
And it’s funny you call this simple but Tom’s disses good. His rhymes were incredibly simple.
I don't like Tom either. I agree politically. I might be wrong about the rap and the skill. I'm just now learning. I think Tom's a D,bag.. just saying
So much went over your head dude.
Not to much. Lol, I'm a terrible reactor.
Only took Mac years to say sorry and then come out and call someone a nazi after he got Benoit'd in the final song lmfao
Mac's final career moment will be when he finally jumps
But none of it of it is true he did not get divorced and he as Mack lethal is not divorced and did not divorce or lose his career he tours and is touring with big names
Thank you 👍
Tom brought macs family into the battle first so nova is open and nova wrote all of toms disses to mac like she writes all of toms non political raps
Bro, I never thought she might have wrote the lyrics but it makes me think of the song chrome sounds like nova to me. Thanks for the wake up 👍
Plus nova did do this she was a on the arms with these battle rappers Mack saw here back there
Mac lies in the first couple seconds. He started it and everyone not just Tom called him out.
They had squashed it, it was supposed to be to be over that is how Tom started it.
You need to react to playboy the beast grim reaper thats a hell of a tom diss
Tom mentioned Macs wife. All bets are off
Nah, you cant even hide your bias. And battle rap is definitely pit of your wheelhouse. But ill gove you credit for trying. As a Canadian you guys can have Tom.
Eminem apologized for the line shit so just move on
That shits weak
Read Tom’s comments. A lot of his fans ARE genuinely racist and there is plenty of his fans that hate rap but only like Tom because of his political garbage he spews.
Racist- NO... THAT'S WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS 24/7
@@CaveManParadigm screw the media. I see genuine racist comments in Tom’s comments. I see his “fans” say stuff like “Tom is awesome cause he tells it like it is and he ain’t black.” 🤦♂️
I'm conservative, I don't know any racists.
haha if u think first tom diss was better than this you are bias and you dont know anything about rap
Yeah, I don't know
Not bias though, I don't care for Tom
Mac who? He’s never been relevant, he failed horribly after 2 attempts, took years for a revisit? A 10 year old could do better the Mac nonlethal
2 attempts he only had 1? And Tom’s weren’t very good either. The entire back and forth was weak. Mac seemed more of a silly diss type of shit.
This was far better than either of them had in the first battle. Mac doesn’t really do UA-cam anymore because he doesn’t really need to.
But never been relevant? Dude is one of the best battle rappers so he was very relevant at one point.
Years for a revisit? He sneak dissed him and threw shade at him while lying about a divorce.