Great reaction. Heavy stuff today. 😁 I think you are too harsh with Elenor. Look at it from her point of view. Vane kills her father, with whom she got along properly for the first time. And then Vane tells her a story of her father's renewed betrayal of her. A story that we have never seen ourselves. So it is at least possible that he lies to save his life, although not probably for us. The bottom line is that Elenor has a dead father with his head on a spit killed by Vane. It all depends on whether we believe him or not. You will experience this way of storytelling again later. Vane in this case I would believe this story here now. If John Silver were to tell me such a story, it would be highly questionable. Credibility is the magic word of the whole series.
I reacted just like you Nikki, except even worse! I was a blubbering mess! I cried for awhile after this one. I had to take a break from my binge, was so upset. I came back of course, but this was BRUTAL. Vane was my favorite. So good but so sad! Rip Mr Scott too
Got those vibes too, in regards to that OTHER big character death from another show. Just like that other character's death, Vane's death came without apology
The show's co-creator/writer said their one rule for character death was that it had to create more story than it ended and I love that because there are no deaths simply for shock value that are quickly forgotten. Ever piece of this story matters. I can't express enough how much I love it. Big Daddy Teach has re-entered the chat and he's pissed!
The hanging of Charles Vane is one of the most haunting scenes I've ever seen. The overlaying of the pastors speech while Vane is being brought to the stand, his cold emotionless stare at Eleanore, him walking off the wagon himself, and then the pirates pulling him down to make it go quicker gives me goosebumps and tears me up every time. Billy is absolutely right, Charles knew this would start the revolution, and that's why he shook his head at Billy. What an episode, and somehow the next one is even better.
The scene with the priest and the hanging were actually two different scenes but while they were editing the episode they interwined them because they tought it was better.
It's also one of the best character arcs in the show. Not even 2 episodes ago, Vane was convinced that Nassau was an island full of "weaklings and ingrates" who would turn their backs on their oaths for just a bit of money. But after being convinced to fight for what he felt was important (the freedom of his home), he decided to try his hand at turning those same weaklings. He gave a speech to try and galvanise their will to resist the occupation, giving his life in the process, in the same vein as Flint or Silver. We've never seen Vane use words to change the shape of the world in the same way Flint or Silver would, but in this instance he did. He saw the bigger picture and for the first time decided to use these final moments to not fight his way to an outcome, but to convince others to do it. Charles Vane is truly a stunning character, masterfully crafted and executed (excuse the pun) by the writers.
The scene in the cell was indeed intense and heartwrenching. I feel like Vane signed his own death warrant by revealing the truth about Richard Guthrie to Eleanor, and he knew it. He knew she couldn't accept that truth, even though she knew he was telling the truth. No matter how contentious her relationship with her father was, deep inside she always wanted to prpve herself to him and impress him. When she was yelling "You're deformed, unformed...(...) missing all that takes shape through a mother's love...no capacity for forgiveness, for compromise", I felt she was really talking about herself. She projected the hell out of everything she hates about herself and her past onto Vane. "Nassau has moved from you, and so have I". And she is projecting all her hopes for a clean slate and an idealized bright future onto Rogers, who is telling her things she wants to hear, instead of uncomfortable and painful truths.
I only noticed on rewatching that Vane is crying at the end of that scene in the cell with Eleanor. The first time I watched the show, I really bought into the whole vision of Vane sold by Eleanor -- that he was just a total macho pirate and angry to his core, but it really strikes me in rewatching that everything she says to him in the cell has specifically been refuted in this season. She says he has "no capacity for compromise, nor instinct toward repair, nor progress," but those things are all we've seen from him this season. Choosing the greater good of Nassau over his personal history with Teach, over his personal history with Flint, even with his history as a slave. He's the character most dedicated to progress, repair, and compromise. Almost every single line Eleanor says in this whole episode is an outright lie, whether she knows it or not, and this episode really feels like her rise as a villain.
Charles death really reminds me of Ragnars death in Vikings when he got executed in Wessex knowing his sons would avenge him. Charles getting executed here knowing his crew will avenge him. The sacrifice for revenge!! In my opinion that’s one of the most legendary ways to go out.
"We (Ye) are many they are few" from "The mask of Anarchy" 1819 by Percy B Shelly (Mary Shelly's husband) written in regard of the "Massacre of Peterloo". A poem that that shows that things havent changed so much in 200 years
True, Mr Guthrie would have betrayed her but at this point there's too much history between her and Vane for her to even believe him. Up until Charlestown Vane was doing everything to undermine her and Flints plan, whatever changes he underwent she wouldn't know because she's been in a jail cell. It really is tragic because I believe they both care about each other. Losing Vane and Mr Scott in the same episode was just too much
It's funny the writers changed vane for the show to the point people cry over his death. The real vane was one of the most sadistic murderers of the era
lol yea, I always remind ppl to keep things in perspective. I love fictional stories but most of these pirates were murderers, slave traders and thieves who would kill you for a profit at the drop of a hat.
This is the only time I actually really liked Vane. I couldn't handle his fake nasal voice for most of the series, but his death scene is amazing and he was a badass at it.
That was a great episode. I was very upset too when I have watched it for the first time. I had hope till the last second that Vane will get saved somehow, but man that hit hard.
Love this series, and your reactions are great. Vain knew what his life meant... ..and in the end he knew what his death meant, he would be the spark that ignited the fire, the fire that burned down the new world.
What I liked about this episode was the insight into Vane's thinking whilst he was in the cell. The way he spoke of Eleanor disregarding everything she had learned of her father, whom she knew to be a self-serving manipulator, just to gain his approval. The way he spoke of regret and how atoning to one's misdeeds is personal rather than something that requires a mediator like a priest. Personally, I don't much care for martyrs so the whole hanging to rally the crowd for some sort of uprising seems a poor justification to give up. That said I don't think Billy would have succeeded either way, so not attempting a poorly planned rescue was still the right decision. I think Vane realised how fruitless any rescue attempt was and just tried to make the best of a bad situation by speaking his mind. Having him step off the platform is also a great touch that stays true to his character as a fearless man who would wish to leave on his own terms.
Charles Vane's death is hard to watch, but it's so triumphant too. He CHOOSES it, all the way up until he willingly walks off the carriage without hesitation. It's not a happy ending for the character, but man, is it a fitting one. A true pirate until the very end.
The reason it had to be vane is because he was the only one all the pirates loved an respected the others are just feared no love are respect thats why he died real steppa 🥾
Charles Vane is one of the best characters ever created in any form of entertainment. His character arc is monumental and is a great example of how people can change.
Next episode is my favourite of all time but holy shit did this ep come close. RIP to one legendary character in Vane and another that deserved much more screen time in Mr. Scott. For me Zach McGowan also saved his best performance for last. Every line he spoke this ep gave me chills. Jack saying there's so much Charles in him was inspiring. Flint giving us an inner glimpse of his psyche through that darkness lecture was mind blowing. And yes, Charles Vane's name will definitely live on throughout the rest of this story.
@@jays4402 omg that's awesome!! it is definitely a passion project of a video (hence the length! you can def listen to it in the background like a podcast haha)
@@HeyRowanEllis Amazing video! Just like the show itself was a passion project, I could tell your vid was too. Hope more Black Sails fans find their way to it!
I love Nikki Evolution in regards to her feels for Charles Vane , from originally thinking he was the biggest dick (no pun intended) to actually showing so much emotions over his death that she was in tears over his martyrdom.
That Vane scene never fails to get me. He didn’t get killed, he CHOSE to die and make a statement , and billy and the rest of the crew only made it less painful for him and the audience. This is top tier Storytelling and NO ONE can convince me otherwise
@@gemelwalters2942 did you watch the last 3 seasons? the fort, flint, peter ashes daughter, the gold, maxx, it goes on and on. she has no loyalty what so ever. not even to Nassau. her loyalty lies with her ambition
@@Hoenhime344 I still don't see the betrayal. Flint needed Ashes daughter so how is she betraying Flint by getting Abigail? The Forte? You mean the Forte Vane stole, betraying her and everyone on the island by holding the ships hostage and interfering with Flints plan? Or the Forte she let Vane keep by telling him Hornigold was planning to sneak in through the secret entrance to kill him? Max?...you mean Max who Vane had raped and beaten? So Eleanor not betraying her and Flints plans to run away with Max is betrayal? Try not reacting emotionally and look at the actions taken by the characters.
Classic Eleanor hater here. Hates her for her 'betrayals' but can't rationally explain what those betrayals were. Most of her haters would act exactly as she did if in her shoes. If your reasoning is that you generally dislike that specific type of character/person then fair enough.
Vane was by far and away my favorite character and Zach was PERFECT for the role. The subtle "steps" he takes off the cart instead of standing there just solidifies his overall badassery. I also recently learned that Zach did this stunt and hung there for as long as he could to make it seem as real and heartbreaking as possible which is why it lasted so long.
Vane's death is the most crucial checkpoint in the series. As Billy said "Resistance in Nassau is now underway." And notice how he turned towards Eleanor to face her as he died. Tell me a more badass sacrifice!
"We are many, they are few. To fear death is a choice. And they can't hang us all. Get on with it, mother****er." EDIT: Vane's speech is almost as iconic as Malcolm Reynolds' "I aim to misbehave." in 'Serenity'.
Sending many hugs to Nikki. I felt the same and cried like a baby (still do every time) even though I knew it was going to happen because I accidentally read a spoiler. I was devastated. His character development from the AH in the first season to the man over his death we all cried about is stunning. And this was the episode from which on I not just hated Eleonore but hoped for the most cruel death for her.
Knew Nikki's opinions of Eleanor and Vane would flip from season 1 but didn't think this would hit her this hard. Each episode of this show just keeps topping the previous one. And such perfect last words for Vane's character: "Get on with it, mother fucker!" Also as soon as I saw Steven wear that Vane shirt, I was 😬
Eleanor is one of my favorite characters from this show. The thing is, I always felt that her relationship with Vane was always going to end this way. And they both knew it. So when he said what he said in that cell it was just more of the same. And the harsh reality that again she was faced with nothing but betrayal from her father, a truth she deep down probably always knew... her resolve super quickened to be done with it all. And I think Vane let her beat on him cos he knew it was over. Their lives had come full circle. This show is just that deeply written. And her choice to have Vane hanged then and there was more a show of absolute loyalty and love for Rogers than any kind of vengeance against Charles. He ended up being the sacrifice she needed to prove to Rogers that she was 100 percent his girl. Above her truest love and even above Nassau. She truly believes Rogers is her future. And she's deeply devoted to him. To be fair I thought the first time I watched that it was going to be another Carolina rescue but I'm happy it ended that way for multiple reasons. Not every fairy tale has a fairy tale ending.
IMO Eleanor only ever really loved herself. She'd align herself with whomever seemed the surest road to power. She eventually would've turned on Rogers too if someone more powerful came along. She had my sympathies at the start of the show but I loathed her by the end.
Well said. Eleanor has said from the start that Nassau is her family's legacy so I wasn't as shocked as most ppl. It's been clear from the start what her intentions are, not sure why anyone says she flip flops. She's actually been the most consistent character, there was never going to be a happy ending with Vane as you said. What they both want are in opposition of the other, Vane's resolve to never live under the yoke and Eleanor wanting legitimacy in Nassau.
I loved Vane but I always knew he would go out "fighting" on the show. He's not physically fighting in this scene but he's still resisting. There was really no other ending for him IMO.
@@veronicag.6205 My reading is that she did by this point love Rogers. However the genesis of that love was a shitshow- she was on death row so had no choice, she then realised the power she would regain with him which happened to align with her original ambitions of a legitimate Nassau. Slight s4 spoilers: IMO she did have a chance to turn on Rogers for greener pastures but chose to stick by him
@@veronicag.6205 This is where I strongly disagree though. I believe she truly loved Max but wasn't willing to give up her legacy for her. Which was selfish of Max to even ask of her. What was she going to do? Where was she going to go? Become like Max and work in a brothel. When you're a women in the 1700s and sole heir to your family's trading company and island assets and pseudo governance you don't just swan off. You protect it with literally your life. Cos everyone wants to take it from you and leave you on your back in that brothel. Or force you in to a marriage and you lose everything. I believe she truly loved Vane. But he was that predictable bad boy pirate you could only rely on to make you look bad. And that's what drew her to him. Not his power of his passion and willfulness. His rebel nature from servitude. traits he helped manifest in her as well. It was an unhealthy bond. I believe she loved her father, even though he treated her so bad. She def loved Mr. Scott. She loved Madi. And in the end it's pretty clear she loves Woodes Rogers and would do anything, even hang Vane to prove it. The problem is, she knows what's coming. While everyone else goes about their daily squabbles and BS. She knows what Spain will do to Nassau and not even Flint is stopping a moment to see the real picture cos they are all so bent on their own issues. Spain doesn't care. Spain will remove Nassau from the map for their gold. And she's the only one, besides Max that sees the real big picture. return the gold or suffer Spain.
A lot of people get emotional in the moment and fair enough. I disliked her a lot during my first watch. Have come to respect her character after subsequent watches and analysing everything objectively
@@jays4402 SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS I agree, literally every reaction I've seen people were mad at Eleanor in this scene and they hated her however I still think Nikki is gonna cry or they will be upset when pregnant Eleanor is gonna die :/
Funny thing is when I disliked her in my first watch, it was because of other smaller things and not actually this. Revenge for her father was always completely reasonable to me, even if strategically is a bad move.
I always felt like Vane never really had a place in this new world they are all trying to create. Realistically his raw nature is meant to be wild and free and I think really we would not have a place in the new Nassau. So, his death has such a strong purpose to it, also for him. If that makes sense.
Are they the villains though? The civilization the pirates are fighting against is corrupt, homophobic, pro slavery, thieves and murders on a much grander scale than the pirates ever could. Food for thought
@@fly3811 True, but these pirates are also thieves, murderers and sell Slaves themselves. When Flint was taken by the maroons one of the men made that argument, that they've sold more slaves than they saved so they will not be in good favor with the maroons. So yes, we are rooting for the villains. It's just the lesser of two evils at this point. It's a personal story for Flint and the others and that is what we have become enthralled with
@@gemelwalters2942 Oh agreed. My point was don't automatically assign the pirates as the only villains, especially compared with what the British empire has done
@@fly3811 that's fair but the notion that the pirates are fighting against corruption or slavery or homophobia isn't accurate. The pirates here only aligned with the slaves because they need manpower. They aren't fighting for any noble ideals except freedom from England. At this point none of them know about Flint and Thomas' story. We can agree Flint and a handful of pirates are fighting for noble reasons but the majority probably aren't.
Vane walking off the back of the cart under his own power instead of waiting for it to finish pulling away and drop him. What an incredible last act of defiance for the sake of living, and dying, by his own terms of freedom from tyranny.
In my opinion, Eleanor has never loved anyone or anything, except power. I mean remember how she just threw Max away in order to consolidate her own power? I think she just liked what Vane could do for her (remember that she used him to get Teach off the island) and now she likes what Rogers can do for her. I actually really hate her character, she has like zero redeeming qualities. She's like that girl on tinder who has a terrible personality but also just expects to be "spoiled"
I would phrase it differently and say she is a goal oriented person who's ambition gets the best of her. Interpersonal relationships do mean something to her but not as much as her life goals. It's a very human flaw that many people have. She didn't throw Max away, Max was asking her to leave behind everything she had been working towards (building a prosperous Nassau) was an unrealistic request to say the least. Both she and Vane loved Eleanor more than she loved them and honestly that was their own mistake. Vane even said he was warned about her but ignored the advice. The only real commitment Eleanor made until end of S2 was to Flint and their vision of firstly an independent, then legitimate Nassau. People forget she stayed loyal to her original partner and never wavered. It's completely understandable why she fell for Rogers, he stopped her execution and has given her everything she's always wanted.
Remember, Mr Scott didn't just run the Maroon island but also Nassau as well (before Eleanor came of age.) Her biological father abandoned her at a young age for Boston.
It's funny how I went from disliking Charles Vane to crying when he gives that great speech and then he goes out like a G. He absolutely knew what would happen with his death and he martyred himself. I have mixed emotions about Eleanor. I know she wants to hold on to her legacy and I respect her for that. But there are times when I want to scream at her!
This episode kind of shell-shocked me. This series continues to be INSANE, in the best possible way. Dudes. Let’s hear it for Vane, one of the best characters ever. 🍻
@@cararacs nor did I, but they do represent law n order, regardless to current day sensibility, a pirate at bare minimum is a thief, and as illustrated several times, law breakers and murderers
@@seponsacoolya You say lawbreaker but it's the empire that set's the law. And some laws are fucking retarded. Vane may have done ill things but that doesn't make him the villain, imo.
@@youtubetemplate9853 tell a judge today while you are on trial that u broke the law cause you felt it was retarded, I’m dying to know how the defense holds up. Maybe I should have used quotation to emphasize the term villains n not parentheses, still, whether you or I view Charles as a villain, he has committed unmistakably villainess acts, and by almost any other perspective, he’s the bad guy. My point was, and is, he is not who people would traditionally root for, by design, and that, is what makes him a really really really compelling character
@@youtubetemplate9853 lol The few characters we see don't represent all the pirates, most of them are murderers, thieves and slave traders. The laws may be backward sure but these are lawless men, remember Ned Lowe? maybe villains isn't the right word but we are rooting for criminals, not falsely accused men.
26:00 Thus the reasoning behind the building of a gallows scaffold. Without the drop, a hanging becomes a strangulation. Unmerciful and cruel. Perhaps a parting gift from Eleanor.
Charles Vane... Opie Winston... Ragnar Lothbrok and Bjorn Ironside... Just to name a few deaths in the name of a cause or loyalty to a brotherhood that have wrecked me to my core. Charlie Pace. Samuel T. Anders. I could keep going, and those are just from television. 😢 I'm going to miss that voice.
I'm going to say something very unpopular. I noticed that Jack Rackham was still concerned about his name and how people would view him. It was this concern that led him to change his mind about leaving Nassau with Anne and the cache and return. And this was this decision that led to Vane's capture. Just noticing.
"I held onto a little bit of hope that maybe Eleanor would actually be a good person" "He was a proper pirate Lol, Vane is a WAY worse person than Eleanor, viewers over-hate her while seemingly forgetting that the main characters are.... pirates
Screw Eleanor, for real. Her loyalties lied where he lack of self esteem could feed off the dicks and power of others. Unlike Max, who just did what she could to survive, she had no loyalty to anyone and screwed everyone over with the sorry excuse that they had done it first to her.
ah yes, as i've seen it referred to, "that time they parallel parked the walrus" XD loving these reactions! it's great to see you guys getting so deep in thought over this
Let's go! This is a big episode. Vane knew what he was doing. Willing to give his life to the cause he truly believes in. The silence at his death, spoke volumes. Don't worry Nikki, it's supposed to hurt.
The first time I watched this, I was totally Nikki, haha. Season 1: "Who is this f*ck boy Vane?" Season 3: "He's MY SON." Great character, great growth, fantastic arc; I also cried in shock and disbelief half the episode. RIP to the only two men who consistently kept it real with Eleanor, but she was not ready to hear it. The last half of this episode is so heavy, I keep forgetting it contains the Caribbean Drift scene, which still makes me laugh out loud in delight.
Man I was not ready for this. Vane was by far my favorite in this series. He had his issues but I love his backstory and he was never one to murder his best friend like Flint or screw over his crew like early Silver. He was the most piraty pirate/captain in my opinion whilst always being true to his word, loyal to a fault he was. Also Eleanor's claim that he is a hypocrite about staring an enemy in the eye or whatever is BS, Vane literally gave her the option to walk back through the gate for his forgiveness but she chose to make an enemy of him. Vane choosing to die for the cause, walking off the cart himself was incredible. Never had I such a growth with a character in any series, from wanting him to die at the start of the series to literally screaming at my screen for anyone to save him in this episodes. RIP Charles Vane
How was her claim bs? Vane literally said those words and instead of trying to stop Eleanor he went after her dad instead. And why would she walk back through those gates? Her goals from day 1 were aligned with Flint's goals in legitimizing Nassau (obviously by s3 they've diverged) so rescuing Abigaile was the obvious choice.
@@fly3811 I understand it was always her goal, but Vane’s goal was always very different and in that scene in season 2 he warned her that his love for her would no longer restrain him if she went through with her choice, he looked her in eye, gave the chance to deny him but she choose her path over him. Which again is fair enough for what she wanted but it lead to Vane going for the dad to delegitimise Nassau and try to stop Flint and Eleanor’s plan
@@MrBleuBeard Gotcha i see where you're coming from. My interpretation of that moment was Eleanor did deny him by locking that gate and leaving with Abigale.
Hey could I ask your opinion please? I'm a huge GOT fan and I'm desperate to watch something that grips me the way GOT did. I've done "the Witcher" "Stranger thing's" could this be the one?? Do you recommend it? Thank you
GoT was my favourite show of all time... Until I watched Black Sails. Without overhyping it, I'll just say it's a much deeper and better all round story than thrones. Avoid spoilers, avoid these comment sections until you've watched it all. As an added bonus, imo N&S's reaction series to this show is their best yet.
Definitely recommend it! Imo it's the most underrated show of all time. My personal #1. Very similar to GOT the first season of Black Sails is a world building season, I've heard people describe it as the prologue of the story. It's still incredible though. Then the next 3 are just masterpieces.
Hi guys thanks for the advice. Its not available on Netflix in the UK however it is on amazon prime providing I pay about $6 per episode. I. Not really in that league I'm afraid. I'll wait till its free somewhere, or buy the box set. Thank you again 😁
The next episode probably is the absolutely Best episode ever written and my favourite. There is probably 3 more conversation/speech left in the series that is probably and easily top 5 ever. And 2 of them is in the next episode and 1 of them is in the last 5 minutes of the episode and probably my all time favourite.
And the first time I saw this episode and when I found out about the “court and sentencing” of Vane scene the possibility did pass through my head and gave it initially reasonably low odds. And when it did happen and they were hanging Vane I thought “ohhh we are going down this road and I guess Flints cause needed a martyr and Vane in a way “volunteered” himself”
Next episode is probably the densest piece of television I have ever seen. I have no idea how you're going to find minutes of it to cut. If ever there was an episode to split into two parts, that is it. Once you've watched it, try telling yourselves that all of it really happened in 50 minutes and see if you believe yourselves.
Another reason I love this show! They managed to align events perfectly with both real history & the coming story in Treasure Island. Even better, these writers made a prequel to Treasure Island that is so unexpected & fresh yet still plugs perfectly into the start of the novel. Giving Flint, Silver, Billy Bones, etc. these deep back stories elevates Treasure Island that much more. Really top-notch writing, acting, & technical production all around.
The scene where Billy and the crew pull him down to kill him faster always gets me. To have friends who love and respect you enough to end your pain as fast as they can, even as it causes their own, is tragic beauty.
Wow!!! That was an emotional episode... This show is on another level!
link to our full watch-a-long reaction: bit.ly/3zsZmA0
@@fly3811 ok
Great reaction. Heavy stuff today. 😁
I think you are too harsh with Elenor. Look at it from her point of view. Vane kills her father, with whom she got along properly for the first time. And then Vane tells her a story of her father's renewed betrayal of her. A story that we have never seen ourselves. So it is at least possible that he lies to save his life, although not probably for us. The bottom line is that Elenor has a dead father with his head on a spit killed by Vane. It all depends on whether we believe him or not.
You will experience this way of storytelling again later.
Vane in this case I would believe this story here now.
If John Silver were to tell me such a story, it would be highly questionable.
Credibility is the magic word of the whole series.
I reacted just like you Nikki, except even worse! I was a blubbering mess! I cried for awhile after this one. I had to take a break from my binge, was so upset. I came back of course, but this was BRUTAL. Vane was my favorite. So good but so sad! Rip Mr Scott too
Many of these characters are real individuals. Vane's end is historical, so avoid Wikipedia on this to ensure absence of spoilers.
Got those vibes too, in regards to that OTHER big character death from another show. Just like that other character's death, Vane's death came without apology
The show's co-creator/writer said their one rule for character death was that it had to create more story than it ended and I love that because there are no deaths simply for shock value that are quickly forgotten. Ever piece of this story matters. I can't express enough how much I love it.
Big Daddy Teach has re-entered the chat and he's pissed!
The hanging of Charles Vane is one of the most haunting scenes I've ever seen. The overlaying of the pastors speech while Vane is being brought to the stand, his cold emotionless stare at Eleanore, him walking off the wagon himself, and then the pirates pulling him down to make it go quicker gives me goosebumps and tears me up every time. Billy is absolutely right, Charles knew this would start the revolution, and that's why he shook his head at Billy. What an episode, and somehow the next one is even better.
You have to be supremely badass to allow your death to happen for a cause. What a great character.
The scene with the priest and the hanging were actually two different scenes but while they were editing the episode they interwined them because they tought it was better.
@@XblasertX The editing of this series is so underrated. It enhances the already magnificent writing.
@@jays4402 this whole damn show is underrated. Some of the best tv ever.
It's also one of the best character arcs in the show. Not even 2 episodes ago, Vane was convinced that Nassau was an island full of "weaklings and ingrates" who would turn their backs on their oaths for just a bit of money. But after being convinced to fight for what he felt was important (the freedom of his home), he decided to try his hand at turning those same weaklings. He gave a speech to try and galvanise their will to resist the occupation, giving his life in the process, in the same vein as Flint or Silver. We've never seen Vane use words to change the shape of the world in the same way Flint or Silver would, but in this instance he did. He saw the bigger picture and for the first time decided to use these final moments to not fight his way to an outcome, but to convince others to do it. Charles Vane is truly a stunning character, masterfully crafted and executed (excuse the pun) by the writers.
They pulled on Vane's neck while hanging to help him die quicker. I know it does not look like it, but it was mercy.
The scene in the cell was indeed intense and heartwrenching. I feel like Vane signed his own death warrant by revealing the truth about Richard Guthrie to Eleanor, and he knew it. He knew she couldn't accept that truth, even though she knew he was telling the truth. No matter how contentious her relationship with her father was, deep inside she always wanted to prpve herself to him and impress him.
When she was yelling "You're deformed, unformed...(...) missing all that takes shape through a mother's love...no capacity for forgiveness, for compromise", I felt she was really talking about herself. She projected the hell out of everything she hates about herself and her past onto Vane. "Nassau has moved from you, and so have I".
And she is projecting all her hopes for a clean slate and an idealized bright future onto Rogers, who is telling her things she wants to hear, instead of uncomfortable and painful truths.
I only noticed on rewatching that Vane is crying at the end of that scene in the cell with Eleanor. The first time I watched the show, I really bought into the whole vision of Vane sold by Eleanor -- that he was just a total macho pirate and angry to his core, but it really strikes me in rewatching that everything she says to him in the cell has specifically been refuted in this season. She says he has "no capacity for compromise, nor instinct toward repair, nor progress," but those things are all we've seen from him this season. Choosing the greater good of Nassau over his personal history with Teach, over his personal history with Flint, even with his history as a slave. He's the character most dedicated to progress, repair, and compromise. Almost every single line Eleanor says in this whole episode is an outright lie, whether she knows it or not, and this episode really feels like her rise as a villain.
Charles death really reminds me of Ragnars death in Vikings when he got executed in Wessex knowing his sons would avenge him. Charles getting executed here knowing his crew will avenge him. The sacrifice for revenge!! In my opinion that’s one of the most legendary ways to go out.
"We (Ye) are many they are few" from "The mask of Anarchy" 1819 by Percy B Shelly (Mary Shelly's husband) written in regard of the "Massacre of Peterloo". A poem that that shows that things havent changed so much in 200 years
Steven will never forget that the fact that chaos is a ladder 😁😂
True, Mr Guthrie would have betrayed her but at this point there's too much history between her and Vane for her to even believe him. Up until Charlestown Vane was doing everything to undermine her and Flints plan, whatever changes he underwent she wouldn't know because she's been in a jail cell. It really is tragic because I believe they both care about each other. Losing Vane and Mr Scott in the same episode was just too much
RIP Charles Vane. Valar Morghulis.
Such a fitting shirt for the episode. Badass to the very end!
"Look at this cool Vane shirt we got sent"
Me who has seen the series: Yikes
It's funny the writers changed vane for the show to the point people cry over his death. The real vane was one of the most sadistic murderers of the era
lol yea, I always remind ppl to keep things in perspective. I love fictional stories but most of these pirates were murderers, slave traders and thieves who would kill you for a profit at the drop of a hat.
This is the only time I actually really liked Vane. I couldn't handle his fake nasal voice for most of the series, but his death scene is amazing and he was a badass at it.
That was a great episode. I was very upset too when I have watched it for the first time. I had hope till the last second that Vane will get saved somehow, but man that hit hard.
Steven's shirt just became a tribute.
Charles Vane was my favorite character
Charles vane💔💔💔
I totally forgot it's saturday, thanks!!!
Steven after the episodes is just amazing with the tribute to great characters and talking in general. (Sorry english not my 1st language)
Perfect timing with the T shirt ...
Love this series, and your reactions are great. Vain knew what his life meant... ..and in the end he knew what his death meant, he would be the spark that ignited the fire, the fire that burned down the new world.
Hope you all watch The Last Kingdom next im liking these kind of shows you react to.
This is my top 3 favorite episodes of the show. The other two have to be Flint revealing his sexuality, and the shows finale in season 4. 🏴☠️
Yep
What I liked about this episode was the insight into Vane's thinking whilst he was in the cell. The way he spoke of Eleanor disregarding everything she had learned of her father, whom she knew to be a self-serving manipulator, just to gain his approval. The way he spoke of regret and how atoning to one's misdeeds is personal rather than something that requires a mediator like a priest.
Personally, I don't much care for martyrs so the whole hanging to rally the crowd for some sort of uprising seems a poor justification to give up. That said I don't think Billy would have succeeded either way, so not attempting a poorly planned rescue was still the right decision. I think Vane realised how fruitless any rescue attempt was and just tried to make the best of a bad situation by speaking his mind. Having him step off the platform is also a great touch that stays true to his character as a fearless man who would wish to leave on his own terms.
I was concerned for Nikki when this episode came up.
That Christian pastor was so full of hate.
What’s that phrase? No hate like Christian love?
Love the future speculation, keeps me watching,
"Get on with it mother*ucker" ... mic drop
All your reactions are good, but I loved your game of thrones reaction the most. Until black sails came around that is.
Charles Vane's death is hard to watch, but it's so triumphant too. He CHOOSES it, all the way up until he willingly walks off the carriage without hesitation. It's not a happy ending for the character, but man, is it a fitting one. A true pirate until the very end.
Not sure if Steven picked a good or bad episode to wear that Captain Vane tshirt. 🤔
Nikki finally gets it's eleanor does suck
"The Vane's shirt"....
Me knowing what's about to happen: oh boy... im sorry dude 😬😬😬
This was the episode where I went "Shit, I know history and I know the book Treasure Island...nobody is going to get a happy ending."
The reason it had to be vane is because he was the only one all the pirates loved an respected the others are just feared no love are respect thats why he died real steppa 🥾
Idk if you guys are gonna see this but please God react to Galaxy Quest
This episode broke me when it aired i got so angry i stopped watching it for a few months lol
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Please react to outer banks ❤️❤️❤️
Unfortunately real life vane was so different
Hi another epic Korean movie please...
Can you react to I Saw the Devil pls pls pls
Vane's hands were tied up. And stop faking.
Charles Vane is one of the best characters ever created in any form of entertainment. His character arc is monumental and is a great example of how people can change.
Next episode is my favourite of all time but holy shit did this ep come close. RIP to one legendary character in Vane and another that deserved much more screen time in Mr. Scott. For me Zach McGowan also saved his best performance for last. Every line he spoke this ep gave me chills.
Jack saying there's so much Charles in him was inspiring. Flint giving us an inner glimpse of his psyche through that darkness lecture was mind blowing. And yes, Charles Vane's name will definitely live on throughout the rest of this story.
I cannot wait to see their reaction to next ep - it’s maybe one of the best eps of TV I’ve ever seen
@@HeyRowanEllis Wow your Black Sails video just popped up on my recommended list. Look forward to checking it out over the weekend!
@@jays4402 omg that's awesome!! it is definitely a passion project of a video (hence the length! you can def listen to it in the background like a podcast haha)
@@HeyRowanEllis Amazing video! Just like the show itself was a passion project, I could tell your vid was too. Hope more Black Sails fans find their way to it!
I loved that speech so much that it brought tears to my eyes.
Ahh yes, "How the little piggies will grunt when they hear how the old boar suffered."
Except in this case it's the little piggy that suffered and the old boar is pissed
Vane's death definitely "...came without apologies"
Yeah this episode was a hard one to watch!! Vane was on another level!!! Such a great character and a total badass!!!
Good to see you still following Black Sails content man
Good to see you in the comments mate! Funny how only my favourite reactors have watched my favourite show Black Sails.
I love Nikki Evolution in regards to her feels for Charles Vane , from originally thinking he was the biggest dick (no pun intended) to actually showing so much emotions over his death that she was in tears over his martyrdom.
Pun fully intended.
I laughed very hard back in ep 2/3 when Nikki kept calling Vane a big dick
That Vane scene never fails to get me. He didn’t get killed, he CHOSE to die and make a statement , and billy and the rest of the crew only made it less painful for him and the audience. This is top tier Storytelling and NO ONE can convince me otherwise
the look and the nod to Billy is probably one of my favourite scenes ever. No dialogue but so significant. Brilliant actors, brilliant show
Charlie Vane never went against this code, he stayed true to his words and accepted his end like a G
Oh man, you broke my heart with that Charles Vane shirt intro.
What’s sad and hilarious is that Eric of Blind Wave wore the same exact shirt for this episode. Unfortunate choice for both of them!
Ellenor just cant stop betryaing people.
lol I'm curious, how did she betray Vane? She never swore loyalty to Vane at any point.
@@gemelwalters2942 did you watch the last 3 seasons? the fort, flint, peter ashes daughter, the gold, maxx, it goes on and on. she has no loyalty what so ever. not even to Nassau. her loyalty lies with her ambition
@@Hoenhime344 I still don't see the betrayal. Flint needed Ashes daughter so how is she betraying Flint by getting Abigail? The Forte? You mean the Forte Vane stole, betraying her and everyone on the island by holding the ships hostage and interfering with Flints plan? Or the Forte she let Vane keep by telling him Hornigold was planning to sneak in through the secret entrance to kill him? Max?...you mean Max who Vane had raped and beaten? So Eleanor not betraying her and Flints plans to run away with Max is betrayal? Try not reacting emotionally and look at the actions taken by the characters.
@@gemelwalters2942 ok
Classic Eleanor hater here. Hates her for her 'betrayals' but can't rationally explain what those betrayals were. Most of her haters would act exactly as she did if in her shoes. If your reasoning is that you generally dislike that specific type of character/person then fair enough.
Vane was by far and away my favorite character and Zach was PERFECT for the role. The subtle "steps" he takes off the cart instead of standing there just solidifies his overall badassery. I also recently learned that Zach did this stunt and hung there for as long as he could to make it seem as real and heartbreaking as possible which is why it lasted so long.
Vane's death is the most crucial checkpoint in the series. As Billy said "Resistance in Nassau is now underway." And notice how he turned towards Eleanor to face her as he died. Tell me a more badass sacrifice!
If you guys look closely at Vane as Eleanor leaves the cell, you'll see one tear falling. He cared so much for her despite everything.
He was blinded by his love for her. That was his undoing unfortunately.
"We are many, they are few. To fear death is a choice. And they can't hang us all.
Get on with it, mother****er."
EDIT: Vane's speech is almost as iconic as Malcolm Reynolds' "I aim to misbehave." in 'Serenity'.
Sending many hugs to Nikki. I felt the same and cried like a baby (still do every time) even though I knew it was going to happen because I accidentally read a spoiler. I was devastated. His character development from the AH in the first season to the man over his death we all cried about is stunning.
And this was the episode from which on I not just hated Eleonore but hoped for the most cruel death for her.
Knew Nikki's opinions of Eleanor and Vane would flip from season 1 but didn't think this would hit her this hard. Each episode of this show just keeps topping the previous one. And such perfect last words for Vane's character: "Get on with it, mother fucker!" Also as soon as I saw Steven wear that Vane shirt, I was 😬
Eric at Blind Wave wore the exact same Vane shirt for this same episode when they reacted to Black Sails.
Whoever sent them that right before this episode is so wrong XD
Yes I thought of this too! Same shirt for such an unfortunate moment!
Eleanor is one of my favorite characters from this show. The thing is, I always felt that her relationship with Vane was always going to end this way.
And they both knew it. So when he said what he said in that cell it was just more of the same. And the harsh reality that again she was faced with
nothing but betrayal from her father, a truth she deep down probably always knew... her resolve super quickened to be done with it all. And I think
Vane let her beat on him cos he knew it was over. Their lives had come full circle. This show is just that deeply written. And her choice to have
Vane hanged then and there was more a show of absolute loyalty and love for Rogers than any kind of vengeance against Charles. He ended up
being the sacrifice she needed to prove to Rogers that she was 100 percent his girl. Above her truest love and even above Nassau.
She truly believes Rogers is her future. And she's deeply devoted to him. To be fair I thought the first time I watched that it was going to be
another Carolina rescue but I'm happy it ended that way for multiple reasons. Not every fairy tale has a fairy tale ending.
IMO Eleanor only ever really loved herself. She'd align herself with whomever seemed the surest road to power. She eventually would've turned on Rogers too if someone more powerful came along. She had my sympathies at the start of the show but I loathed her by the end.
Well said. Eleanor has said from the start that Nassau is her family's legacy so I wasn't as shocked as most ppl. It's been clear from the start what her intentions are, not sure why anyone says she flip flops. She's actually been the most consistent character, there was never going to be a happy ending with Vane as you said. What they both want are in opposition of the other, Vane's resolve to never
live under the yoke and Eleanor wanting legitimacy in Nassau.
I loved Vane but I always knew he would go out "fighting" on the show. He's not physically fighting in this scene but he's still resisting. There was really no other ending for him IMO.
@@veronicag.6205 My reading is that she did by this point love Rogers. However the genesis of that love was a shitshow- she was on death row so had no choice, she then realised the power she would regain with him which happened to align with her original ambitions of a legitimate Nassau. Slight s4 spoilers:
IMO she did have a chance to turn on Rogers for greener pastures but chose to stick by him
@@veronicag.6205 This is where I strongly disagree though. I believe she truly loved Max but wasn't willing to give up her legacy for her. Which was selfish of Max to even ask of her. What was she going to do? Where was she going to go? Become like Max and work in a brothel. When you're a women in the 1700s and sole heir to your family's trading company and island assets and pseudo governance you don't just swan off. You protect it with literally your life. Cos everyone wants to take it from you and leave you on your back in that brothel. Or force you in to a marriage and you lose everything. I believe she truly loved Vane. But he was that predictable bad boy pirate you could only rely on to make you look bad. And that's what drew her to him. Not his power of his passion and willfulness. His rebel nature from servitude. traits he helped manifest in her as well. It was an unhealthy bond. I believe she loved her father, even though he treated her so bad. She def loved Mr. Scott. She loved Madi. And in the end it's pretty clear she loves Woodes Rogers and would do anything, even hang Vane to prove it. The problem is, she knows what's coming. While everyone else goes about their daily squabbles and BS. She knows what Spain will do to Nassau and not even Flint is stopping a moment to see the real picture cos they are all so bent on their own issues. Spain doesn't care. Spain will remove Nassau from the map for their gold. And she's the only one, besides Max that sees the real big picture. return the gold or suffer Spain.
I watch shows in a really neutral way so in my opinion Eleanor's actions are absolutely understandable.
A lot of people get emotional in the moment and fair enough. I disliked her a lot during my first watch. Have come to respect her character after subsequent watches and analysing everything objectively
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I agree, literally every reaction I've seen people were mad at Eleanor in this scene and they hated her however I still think Nikki is gonna cry or they will be upset when pregnant Eleanor is gonna die :/
@@JarinCOD I agree. The hate towards her is purely emotionally driven. I've never been that huge a Vane fan so it didn't hit me as much.
Funny thing is when I disliked her in my first watch, it was because of other smaller things and not actually this. Revenge for her father was always completely reasonable to me, even if strategically is a bad move.
@@JarinCOD Also, spoilers
I'm kinda worried about Nikki when it comes to 403.
I always felt like Vane never really had a place in this new world they are all trying to create. Realistically his raw nature is meant to be wild and free and I think really we would not have a place in the new Nassau. So, his death has such a strong purpose to it, also for him. If that makes sense.
Its crazy how this show makes you care for a bunch of thieves and murderers, we are routing for the villains lol.
The show is so good.
Are they the villains though? The civilization the pirates are fighting against is corrupt, homophobic, pro slavery, thieves and murders on a much grander scale than the pirates ever could. Food for thought
‘We are all villains in Nassau’
@@fly3811 True, but these pirates are also thieves, murderers and sell Slaves themselves. When Flint was taken by the maroons one of the men made that argument, that they've sold more slaves than they saved so they will not be in good favor with the maroons. So yes, we are rooting for the villains. It's just the lesser of two evils at this point. It's a personal story for Flint and the others and that is what we have become enthralled with
@@gemelwalters2942 Oh agreed. My point was don't automatically assign the pirates as the only villains, especially compared with what the British empire has done
@@fly3811 that's fair but the notion that the pirates are fighting against corruption or slavery or homophobia isn't accurate. The pirates here only aligned with the slaves because they need manpower. They aren't fighting for any noble ideals except freedom from England. At this point none of them know about Flint and Thomas' story. We can agree Flint and a handful of pirates are fighting for noble reasons but the majority probably aren't.
The day Steven wears Vane's shirt is the day Vane dies lol.
Vane walking off the back of the cart under his own power instead of waiting for it to finish pulling away and drop him. What an incredible last act of defiance for the sake of living, and dying, by his own terms of freedom from tyranny.
In my opinion, Eleanor has never loved anyone or anything, except power. I mean remember how she just threw Max away in order to consolidate her own power? I think she just liked what Vane could do for her (remember that she used him to get Teach off the island) and now she likes what Rogers can do for her. I actually really hate her character, she has like zero redeeming qualities. She's like that girl on tinder who has a terrible personality but also just expects to be "spoiled"
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I would phrase it differently and say she is a goal oriented person who's ambition gets the best of her. Interpersonal relationships do mean something to her but not as much as her life goals. It's a very human flaw that many people have. She didn't throw Max away, Max was asking her to leave behind everything she had been working towards (building a prosperous Nassau) was an unrealistic request to say the least. Both she and Vane loved Eleanor more than she loved them and honestly that was their own mistake. Vane even said he was warned about her but ignored the advice. The only real commitment Eleanor made until end of S2 was to Flint and their vision of firstly an independent, then legitimate Nassau. People forget she stayed loyal to her original partner and never wavered. It's completely understandable why she fell for Rogers, he stopped her execution and has given her everything she's always wanted.
Damn I've been dreading this episode. I'm sorry Steven, I feel like every time you love a character they eventually kill em >.
Remember, Mr Scott didn't just run the Maroon island but also Nassau as well (before Eleanor came of age.) Her biological father abandoned her at a young age for Boston.
The hanging of charles vane is the john snow death moment in black sails.
It's funny how I went from disliking Charles Vane to crying when he gives that great speech and then he goes out like a G. He absolutely knew what would happen with his death and he martyred himself. I have mixed emotions about Eleanor. I know she wants to hold on to her legacy and I respect her for that. But there are times when I want to scream at her!
yeaaaa fuck her legacy. all its built on is her shitty ambition. 0 loyalty. not even to nasasu
This episode kind of shell-shocked me. This series continues to be INSANE, in the best possible way.
Dudes. Let’s hear it for Vane, one of the best characters ever. 🍻
The beauty of this show, you cried for Charles Vane and openly rooted for pirates(villains) one of the best series ever for me
I wouldn’t call the English government/crown the good guys though.
@@cararacs nor did I, but they do represent law n order, regardless to current day sensibility, a pirate at bare minimum is a thief, and as illustrated several times, law breakers and murderers
@@seponsacoolya You say lawbreaker but it's the empire that set's the law. And some laws are fucking retarded.
Vane may have done ill things but that doesn't make him the villain, imo.
@@youtubetemplate9853 tell a judge today while you are on trial that u broke the law cause you felt it was retarded, I’m dying to know how the defense holds up. Maybe I should have used quotation to emphasize the term villains n not parentheses, still, whether you or I view Charles as a villain, he has committed unmistakably villainess acts, and by almost any other perspective, he’s the bad guy. My point was, and is, he is not who people would traditionally root for, by design, and that, is what makes him a really really really compelling character
@@youtubetemplate9853 lol The few characters we see don't represent all the pirates, most of them are murderers, thieves and slave traders. The laws may be backward sure but these are lawless men, remember Ned Lowe? maybe villains isn't the right word but we are rooting for criminals, not falsely accused men.
And that’s how you handbrake turn a pirate ship 😎☠️⚓️
You both are legends of reactions
Facts
Vane was my fav character 😐😭
Vane and Jack my fav duo
Imagine liking someone enough that you have to pull their legs down while they are hanging so that you can help end it faster!
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ahhhh im in a glass case of emotion! this showwwwww
Yeah this was the equivalent of shouting "FREEDOM!" before dying.
26:00 Thus the reasoning behind the building of a gallows scaffold. Without the drop, a hanging becomes a strangulation. Unmerciful and cruel. Perhaps a parting gift from Eleanor.
Charles Vane... Opie Winston... Ragnar Lothbrok and Bjorn Ironside... Just to name a few deaths in the name of a cause or loyalty to a brotherhood that have wrecked me to my core. Charlie Pace. Samuel T. Anders. I could keep going, and those are just from television. 😢
I'm going to miss that voice.
I'm going to say something very unpopular. I noticed that Jack Rackham was still concerned about his name and how people would view him. It was this concern that led him to change his mind about leaving Nassau with Anne and the cache and return. And this was this decision that led to Vane's capture. Just noticing.
Being a key piece to starting all of this..Eleanor in the end was the one who didnt have what it took to make it happen.
"I held onto a little bit of hope that maybe Eleanor would actually be a good person"
"He was a proper pirate
Lol, Vane is a WAY worse person than Eleanor, viewers over-hate her while seemingly forgetting that the main characters are.... pirates
Screw Eleanor, for real. Her loyalties lied where he lack of self esteem could feed off the dicks and power of others. Unlike Max, who just did what she could to survive, she had no loyalty to anyone and screwed everyone over with the sorry excuse that they had done it first to her.
ah yes, as i've seen it referred to, "that time they parallel parked the walrus" XD loving these reactions! it's great to see you guys getting so deep in thought over this
Never underestimate how much the crew love and respect John silver
Remember when Nikki wanted vane to die
Charles vane will never be forgotten he was a true legend everytime I see this part I just can't 😢
Let's go! This is a big episode.
Vane knew what he was doing. Willing to give his life to the cause he truly believes in. The silence at his death, spoke volumes.
Don't worry Nikki, it's supposed to hurt.
I cried like a bitch when I first watched this. The writing and acting are, as always, outstanding.
The first time I watched this, I was totally Nikki, haha. Season 1: "Who is this f*ck boy Vane?" Season 3: "He's MY SON." Great character, great growth, fantastic arc; I also cried in shock and disbelief half the episode. RIP to the only two men who consistently kept it real with Eleanor, but she was not ready to hear it.
The last half of this episode is so heavy, I keep forgetting it contains the Caribbean Drift scene, which still makes me laugh out loud in delight.
That scene was better than the entire Tokyo Drift movie
@@jays4402 🤣
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Seriously I could not with that movie
@@jays4402 I'm always like "why does this movie exist"?
ha that's the perfect shirt this episode!
Man I was not ready for this. Vane was by far my favorite in this series. He had his issues but I love his backstory and he was never one to murder his best friend like Flint or screw over his crew like early Silver. He was the most piraty pirate/captain in my opinion whilst always being true to his word, loyal to a fault he was. Also Eleanor's claim that he is a hypocrite about staring an enemy in the eye or whatever is BS, Vane literally gave her the option to walk back through the gate for his forgiveness but she chose to make an enemy of him. Vane choosing to die for the cause, walking off the cart himself was incredible. Never had I such a growth with a character in any series, from wanting him to die at the start of the series to literally screaming at my screen for anyone to save him in this episodes. RIP Charles Vane
How was her claim bs? Vane literally said those words and instead of trying to stop Eleanor he went after her dad instead. And why would she walk back through those gates? Her goals from day 1 were aligned with Flint's goals in legitimizing Nassau (obviously by s3 they've diverged) so rescuing Abigaile was the obvious choice.
@@fly3811 I understand it was always her goal, but Vane’s goal was always very different and in that scene in season 2 he warned her that his love for her would no longer restrain him if she went through with her choice, he looked her in eye, gave the chance to deny him but she choose her path over him. Which again is fair enough for what she wanted but it lead to Vane going for the dad to delegitimise Nassau and try to stop Flint and Eleanor’s plan
@@MrBleuBeard Gotcha i see where you're coming from. My interpretation of that moment was Eleanor did deny him by locking that gate and leaving with Abigale.
Hey could I ask your opinion please? I'm a huge GOT fan and I'm desperate to watch something that grips me the way GOT did.
I've done "the Witcher" "Stranger thing's" could this be the one?? Do you recommend it?
Thank you
GoT was my favourite show of all time... Until I watched Black Sails. Without overhyping it, I'll just say it's a much deeper and better all round story than thrones. Avoid spoilers, avoid these comment sections until you've watched it all. As an added bonus, imo N&S's reaction series to this show is their best yet.
Definitely recommend it! Imo it's the most underrated show of all time. My personal #1. Very similar to GOT the first season of Black Sails is a world building season, I've heard people describe it as the prologue of the story. It's still incredible though. Then the next 3 are just masterpieces.
Hi guys thanks for the advice. Its not available on Netflix in the UK however it is on amazon prime providing I pay about $6 per episode. I. Not really in that league I'm afraid. I'll wait till its free somewhere, or buy the box set. Thank you again 😁
@@MonaroMel1 No worries. My mate from the UK has the same issue. A Black Sails box set would be a perfect gift for yourself haha
The next episode probably is the absolutely Best episode ever written and my favourite. There is probably 3 more conversation/speech left in the series that is probably and easily top 5 ever. And 2 of them is in the next episode and 1 of them is in the last 5 minutes of the episode and probably my all time favourite.
And the first time I saw this episode and when I found out about the “court and sentencing” of Vane scene the possibility did pass through my head and gave it initially reasonably low odds. And when it did happen and they were hanging Vane I thought “ohhh we are going down this road and I guess Flints cause needed a martyr and Vane in a way “volunteered” himself”
Next episode is probably the densest piece of television I have ever seen. I have no idea how you're going to find minutes of it to cut. If ever there was an episode to split into two parts, that is it. Once you've watched it, try telling yourselves that all of it really happened in 50 minutes and see if you believe yourselves.
Bloody hell Steven you sir are a Mystic
I read Historically in real life the real Charles Vain was hung .
Another reason I love this show! They managed to align events perfectly with both real history & the coming story in Treasure Island. Even better, these writers made a prequel to Treasure Island that is so unexpected & fresh yet still plugs perfectly into the start of the novel. Giving Flint, Silver, Billy Bones, etc. these deep back stories elevates Treasure Island that much more. Really top-notch writing, acting, & technical production all around.
The scene where Billy and the crew pull him down to kill him faster always gets me. To have friends who love and respect you enough to end your pain as fast as they can, even as it causes their own, is tragic beauty.