Cam speaking for what prolly 85% of the fan base been saying since Bryce was drafted. Tepper is the root of all the problems if we really wanna get deep with it
@@kevykev388 when you have 0 confidence in yourself, let along the team you’re prolly not gonna play well. Not saying Bryce is the guy but has he really been given everything he needs to succeed
THIIIIISSSS!!! I’m not even a Carolina fan but just as a football fan you can clearly see who the fucking issue is tepper doesn’t know a damn thing about football at all, but because he is the fucking owner no one can stop him, it’s sad but literally Carolina y’all got a runaway mad man in the owner spot and I am genuinely upset sure how you get him out. There’s no one else above him this ain’t a democracy it’s a dictatorship, he can literally do whatever tf he wants, and unfortunately what he is doing is absolutely shittyisming the entire panther organization, they are losing because of him.
@@mattmiller27 gave him a much better o line and a better receiving core and he has been 10 times worse. He’s rattled out there. Watch what dalton does this week and get back to me. Not saying we will win but I guarantee we score more than 3 points. And I guarantee our receivers touch the ball
I don't know how it could possibly work, but man, I wish there was some sort of farm league along the lines of the Minor Leagues for these guys. College isn't a sufficient system, in my opinion. The best development they really get is playing against the practice squad. Of course, I can't see any team willing to put their players at risk of getting injured playing in a farm league. But I'd absolutely watch it.
@unclejj9600 Forgot the Europe League existed. And, of course, it was horribly mismanaged 🤣 I am really curious how a farm league based in the US would go. I know I would love it. Especially if it proved to effectively develop players to an NFL level.
Steve Young went to law school after retiring. He said studying a nfl playbook is harder than law school. Everybody can't be CJ, most need to sit for two years.
Respectfully, this didn’t age well. Especially after watching Chuba run for 114 yards, Johnson catching for 122 yards, and dalton throwing for 300+ yards and 3TDs.
No, this still stands. Cause what does this mean? The team has it out for Bryce. Same dudes, same everything, but then they play completely different after the QB change? It then seems personal. A lot more questions than answers in Carolina
@@josephhughs5476bro hasn’t played a snap in over a year. Bryce has had plenty of opportunities to show growth and development. We expect veteran qb play out of Andy dalton but 300+ for 3tds and chuba is eating?? Be real bro
I WATCH WEEKLY,YEARLY! 704 area code . WITH ALL DO RESPECT BRYCE IS ASSSSSSS NOW LETS GOOOOO ANYDY ! Bet we get a win soon My Boy Bryce WENT 2-17 How tf u think US FANS FEEL
@@hiroshi1046 You still don't understand. The help was there bruh. Bryce just doesn't have the ability to unleash what he had. It's like sticking a toddler in the seat of a Ford Raptor. And no, I'm not saying "toddler" just because Bryce is short.
its crazy because i knew this was gon happen, i knew once cam leave its back to the same sorry panthers. idgaf what nobody say cam was tge best qb we had, n he put charlotte on the map
@@LouieOcean.We were kinda ass but made the playoffs every other year AND Cams Panthers were exciting to watch even if his play style backfired sometimes. When the offense was going it was spectacular to watch and it hasn‘t been ever since. The offense got worse and more boring every year and that’s where we at now. Ass AND boring! It has been physically painful to watch a panthers game for at least 2 years now 😂
When a team is drafting a first round qb in the top 5 picks the best thing they can do is go sign a vet qb to a short term contract who can be a serviceable starter and show the young guy the ways and let them get acclimated to the speed of the game and all the new stuff. Everyone ragged on the falcons for going and getting Kirk Cousins and then drafting Penix. But I think that’s was a very smart move.
Everyone ragged on the falcons cuz they signed kirk to a 4 year 160 million dollar deal. Penixs contract is 4 years as well. He will be 27-28 by the time he starts
Paying a guy starting QB money to mentor a rookie seems insane to me. I get your point, but an Andy Dalton or Jacoby Brissett would be better for that than paying a guy like Cousins.
And let's not forget how panthers o-line is the most efficient in the league right now... even after going against max crosby... I mean what other excuses can people make for Bryce? Do you have any ideas?
Cam wants to blame the organization and everyone else soooo bad. Panthers o-line is the most efficient in the league right now. The only thing that changed was andy dalton and they looked like a different team. Cam clearly has no idea wtf he's talking about.
@christopherfelton5169 Dalton has to continue to win for you to dee the light? Let me get this straight, They go from losing by 30 every game to actually winning a game, Theirs a huge gap in your brain.
Ok so today when you guys go back and look at this take and after you said they didnt have any help, from o line to wr, to running game to defense. You said that and every thing was answered with a competent QB back there. He got help.l as we can see. 300- 100- 100
I am a Tampa Bay Bucs fan living in Charlotte. I was always a Cam Newton fan even when they played us. I don't respect the Carolina franchise for how they treat their personnel or do business and until that changes they will be the Jacksonville Jaguars pre Trevor Lawrence days. I respect Cam Newton more after this for speaking the truth given his past and current position as the greatest Panther QB to do it. He clearly does not care who he offends or if will cause dissention if the truth comes from it and that is to be admired and respected.
Y'all's comments aren't aging very well.The game today proved that. Bryce is the problem. Hate to say it, but dude cant play in the NFL. Its hard to judge how good or bad the team is when the QB cant throw the ball, cant read the defense, cant run well enough to escape, has horrible foot work, doesnt have any pocket presence, etc. Dude might be an ok backup. Definition of a bust
@@GasMaskBudz He doesn't really have all the attributes. He's tiny (he's listed at 5'10'' 200 but he's closer to 5'9'' 180), he doesn't have exceptional arm strength, he doesn't have exceptional speed to be a real dual threat. His intangibles were supposed to make up for those physical shortcomings, but it appears to me that they can't. Also I don't get why people are including the interims in our HC numbers.
@evilcoleslaw frank Reich wasn't a interim... yall had 1 and then the new coach this year... his arm strength was nfl ready? Maybe not like Josh Allen and all those flame throwers but it was def way above subpar
They have not played well. What game are you watching. Bryce can’t even stay in the pocket to throw because they are getting pushed back. And don’t forget the poor blocking at RB. Bryce was also sacked the most last year. He’s going to end up like David Carr in Houston
Like I said only delusional Panther fans believe this OL is good and played well b/c Pro Football Hall fame said so delusional 😂😂😂😂Bryce runs for his life their not good
@@chris34ce exactly. Bryce can even stay in the pocket to throw. Most of his interceptions are from the pocket and slant routes where db jumping the routes
@@rockjm9876543210 20th is being nice. That number should be 31 lol. I’ve never seen a worse OL except for Baltimore. Lamar has to step outside the box just to throw or buy time
Desmond Ridder played for Cincinnati (the University of) Bryce played for Bama! Two entirely different levels! Bryce and Bama would have totally dominated Ridder's Cincinnati team! 😂😂😂
Bryce had 2 problems coming into the league that he had no control of. 1. He's too small. 2. The expectations for him were too high because of the overinflated feeling of superiority of the SEC in general and Bama in particular.
I absolutely agree with your second point. The SEC (or Big 10, or whatever hyped up division is under the telescope of recruiters) is NOT equivalent to what the Minor Leagues are to MLB, where all the players are playing with the intent of getting called up into the Majors. A large number of college players are not going to get drafted, and a large number of the players aren't even there with the expectation (or even intent) of going pro. College performance absolutely does not predict performance in the NFL. Yet drafts continue to seem to reflect the hype that was built around college performances. I kind of disagree with your first point, though. At least as far as height goes. Kyler Murray is also 5'10". Russell Wilson is 5'11". They both have or had linemen that were well over 6 feet. Now, the important similarity between Murray and Wilson is that they are incredibly mobile. Can't really say that about Young. But could he adapt? Possibly.
3. He was put in one of the worst situations in professional football. Hes probably not good enough to turn a franchise around but he got almost sabotaged in his rookie season.
@ericriffel8954 Absolutely. Young is a skinny dude. But that's one thing he DOES have control of. They've got training facilities, training staff, and the time needed to bulk up. No doubt he had access to stuff like that when he was going to Alabama, too.
I really can't believe the bad takes here man. All of the sports media took massive Ls this week defending Bryce young and we still have these goobers trying to gaslight us in youtube comments and reddit posts lol. Open your eyes and watch for yourself. It can't be more obvious.
Last year, yes it was the coaching, staff, and players. This year, nah. We definitely upgraded and made good decisions moving forward on roster moves. I still would give Bryce a chance with the right timing and development because they did just throw him in last year into a bad situation and didn’t have stability. Can’t blame him last year but just these 2 games this season as you can tell his mental is not in a good space. He needs to sit back behind a vet like all rookie quarterbacks used to for development. They should’ve did that last year.
They drafted the top Rb in this years draft in Jonathan Brooks , they also got a young TE in Sanders and the line is playing well if Daltons has any success with the same supporting cast that’s the nail
I literally saw a play where Bryce snapped the ball and had the whole Saints defense in his face when he turned around last year, no help is the nice way of putting it
Nope, in reality Bryce Young is cheeks. The o line is mediocre to even above average and he has new receivers. Andy Dalton lighting it up just ended the "Bryce Young had no chance" narrative.
The entire organization lacked faith and played badly. Bryce was at the centre of that crisis. Now with Dalton the faith is back and with it the skill. What's left now is Bryce to learn how to be an NFL QB behind Dalton and win the locker room back. Maybe then he can be the future of Carolina.
My dad is from Charlotte and this is what he said on the whole thing. “ Can we fully blame the organization or player here? Yes Tepper hasn’t done a good job of owning the team but also Bryce hasn’t proven he is capable/ready to be in the league period. Yes a good College QB but Poor NFL QB, happens all of the time”
@@lightingthief4482 it’s not even just my dad, his entire side of the family don’t think the kid can play. Yeah he can struggle but he hasn’t shown LITERALLY ANYTHING
@@cbcbrown88 I really don’t care, if their fans think they are only a QB away, then that means two division wins a year are guaranteed for everybody else! Lol
Oline- they went out this offseason and fixed the o-line. It’s been one of the best this season so far. TE- drafted Sanders RB - Chuba is a good Rb. Defense - was our strength last year. This year they’ve sucked only because the offense can’t stay on the field. How about we hold Bryce accountable?
There teams in the league that'd love to be ranked 14th, that's not terrible. It doesn't matter who you throw the ball to if you can't accurately get it to them.
If im being honest bryce just isnt good.. yall say tye line bad and that the recivers arent good or wtv but when you watch the tape he just doesnt make good reads even if the timing is off he still doesnt make good reads , he dont even show flashes of being competent , cj showed flashes, anthony richardson showed flashes, he the worse qb in his class levis even got flashes.. zach wilson, caleb williams and even sam darnold got flashes
@learn2xpand862 none of that matters if he can't make a basic read..if you watch tape caleb williams aint playing bad the timing is off but his reads are solid .. he not even making decent reads.
@@colbyryans1018 yeah because he has no confidence, because they haven’t established any run game for him!!! There is no QB that can win a game with their run completely neutralized, it may have happened but you almost never win, now I can agree he’s made bad reads but he had some flashes last year and I think the O line is at the very most meh and his reaching corps is awful, Legette was the worst route runner coming out and this trash organization picked him and thought Sanders would help? It’s just baffling how they’re running this thing
Cam says people need to be held accountable, but at some point Bryce has to be held accountable. He’s somehow worse this year than last, when they’ve invested in OL, TE, and WR to help him. If Dalton comes in and the offense looks competent then there’s really only one person to blame…
I think the question at this point is, is Young struggling because he's not NFL material? Or because he hasn't had the opportunity to properly develop into a starting role? His game is rough, no question. But that's not completely unheard of with QBs just coming into the league. In fact, it can generally be expected that there is at least one thing in their game in need of development. Ultimately, I think he's absolutely better off at second string. We'll see if he can develop in a way that makes him starting material, if not with the Panthers, then with one of the other 31 teams.
Did you watch the video. Cam and all the pros including Shannon sharpe mentioned them WRs ain’t gonna cut it. Have you noticed that most wr the panthers didn’t sign an extension are no longer in the nfl or practice squad ex TMJ, Devin Funchess, Kelvin Benjamin. Don’t get me started with the Tight end. Even Greg Olsen saw the shit show coming and retired just like Luke 😅😅. Also you see Chicago only wanted DJ Moore. Let that sink in. Xavier may be their best bet but he’s a rookie. Mingo ain’t it 😂😂
Their best receiver is 36 years old and on the decline, this coming from a Vikings fan who seen the best of #19. I don't know who there RB1 or RB2 is and there TE1 is also young and inexperienced. Let's be real brodie
Tom Brady literally just spoke on this this summer with Stephen A. Young players don't have a chance to actually DEVELOP for the pros anymore. They're just getting thrown into the fire and then criticized when a team (predictably) struggles in winning games.
Team won 7 games the year before Bryce was drafted. They messed up not hiring Steve Wilks after he made them respectable as an interim coach. They wanted an offensive guy and haven't had an offense since.
The Panthers Oline has ranked top 5 these past two weeks. Bryce out here running into sacks. Let’s not act like he can’t improve and it’s just on everyone else around him.
@@rjwill1992 watch the film again. These past two games people have been open. He’s missed them often. If you think Bryce is without any fault, that’s on you. I watched him run into a sack on the sideline this past Sunday when he could’ve ran for 5 yards or threw it out of bounds. I’ve seen him throw picks directly to defenders. He has three in two games. This isn’t last year. There are opportunities and he’s admitted he’s missed them. He’s taking some blame for these Ls.
You can have a top 5 oline but the wrs not getting open will force to coverage sacks that time is gonna tick even faster Sunday against the raiders dline
@@rjwill1992 so what was the point of you bringing up other players when Bryce was the focus of my comment. My comment said Bryce isn’t without fault and you replied “you didnt mention the WRs”. We not talking about the WRs right now. We’re talking about Bryce having some responsibility and you decided to deflect that.
All Of Those Have Gotten Better. O-Line has drastically improved and has been protecting Bryce young unlike last year. The only sacks that have came was when Bryce young extended the play. We couldn’t even evaluate these WR’s because the ball hasn’t been pushed down the field. The WR Group as a whole has improved. Who would you rather have? Diontae Johnson Or DJ Chark? Adam Thielen dispite his age is still competitive and we haven’t even opened up the play book for Legette. I believe this week we look more competitive than the past two weeks. I understand the NATIONAL media has an opinion about this this team for this year, but the national media doesn’t watch our games to truly get a good enough analysis, because if they did, they wouldn’t utter the O-Line as a problem.
@@FREE_WILL_DEFENDER Have You watched More Than Just A Few Bad Plays In Carolina To Make That Assessment? Have you watch the All -22 film like the majority of Panthers Content Creators Do?
I have a hard time believing Cams been watching the games. The line is good, the rbs are serviceable, they have drafted weapons. You can argue the defense is way worse but it's not like he's in shoot out. Hell the d has had multiple turnovers and he's squandered those opportunities
The weapons are honestly not bad either. Diontae Johnson is good. Chuba Hubbard is solid. Thielen is a decent safety blanket for an easy 5-7 yard completion. Legette has sky high upside as well. They gave Brice the weapons, it’s his own fault he sucks
They drafted a receiver in the 2nd rd last year, brought in a veteran receiver, signed a RB in free agency, drafted the best RB in this most recent draft also spent a first round pick on a WR and brought in the OC that helped Geno and Baker look like starting QBs and got them paid. Don’t act like Carolina isn’t trying with this kid, maybe he’s just too small and the game is too fast for him
Cam Newton is by far the best quarterback Carolinas ever had but he is so wrong about this. It’s not even funny I watched his tape and I watched Bryce Young tape both when they were in the draft, and it was night and day. I wanted to believe that Bryce would be some stellar quarterback in the NFL, but my mind was telling me he did not have the it factor to make everybody else around him better
I agree with everything you said after the first sentence. Jake Delhomme, for a while, was just as good as Cam. Less athletic and talented, but he got the job done and was a better leader and not a narcissist.
Everything they said was great about Bryce has never been seen. Instead the blame is put on his teammates and the organization because it’s easier to do so. Bryce got himself benched with his bad play. Why blame the team when he takes unnecessary sacks, throws interceptions, overthrows wide open receivers, and doesn’t see the open receivers. Thats on Bryce and the team can’t be accurately evaluated if we have bad QB play.
@@jsanders9975 he has a much better offense around him and is somehow playing worse than last year. He is worse than every qb drafted this year or last year. When Andy balls this week we will see what is possible for this team
@@jacobgoodman704 much better my ass, it's year 2 with a new system and coach. We don't know what kind of team it is yet. But the organization is garbage
I don’t think anybody’s arguing they have handled Bryce Young incorrectly. The fact of the matter, however, watching Dalton’s play, he clearly is the person who should be in the role at this moment. Then again I believe all rookies should sit a year. My role is a leader has taught me, the absolute value of observation before performance
Man that kid aint showed one glimpse worthy of a 1st overall pick. I was down with the excuses last year i held out hope but im with the coach i seen enough. Dont forget they watched him all camp struggle agaisnt our terrible defense. If dalton completes just one 20 yard pass sunday i will have seen all i need to see.
Thank you for stating the obvious. His confidence is shot. Frank tried to kill that man all because that wasnt his qb of choice. That man deliberately sabotaged that man out there by calling repetitive plays, would t let him throw down field, and just not giving him a stable system to work in. Bryce genuinely looked scared last week. I still believe and hope bryce is our QB. This was needed for his mental and confidence. Ik bryce was the consensus #1 pick because EVERYBODY at the top of the draft last year wanted him. And i DARE somebody to say otherwise because they will be lying through their teeth or just didnt know. Bryce will be fine. Im sick of all of this and ready for something good to finally come our way
Really Cam??? I can tell you haven't watched Carolina this season. Our offensive line is really good. We have WR's that can get open. Dude, watch how freaking different we look Sunday. We have a running game. Chubba is a top 15 RB, what are you talking about.
Sorry Cam but his oline was the best last game. Bryce himself was really terrible. I haven't seen any glimps of greatness in Bryce last season and these 2 games. Your taking it way to personal. And that comes from a panther fan since 2003. I do agree this ownership is a sh*tshow and miss the old days untill 2018. And i really loved seeing you guys play. It died on me. It is horrendous looking at panther games the last 5 years. It hurts.
Your left tackle sucks bro yall are the 19th ranked o line in the league and it might’ve been good play for your disastrous standards but it’s definitely low tier play
Cam deserves to be on a roster spot. Guys like Sam Darnold and Andy Dalton gets opportunities after opportunities. None of them have a MVP and SB appearance to their name
Cam speaking for what prolly 85% of the fan base been saying since Bryce was drafted. Tepper is the root of all the problems if we really wanna get deep with it
Tepper is definitely the root. But at the end of the day. Bryce still sucks and he's on the bench where he belongs....finally
@@kevykev388 when you have 0 confidence in yourself, let along the team you’re prolly not gonna play well. Not saying Bryce is the guy but has he really been given everything he needs to succeed
Pointing to Tepper is about the only thing he got right about his opinion on bryce
THIIIIISSSS!!! I’m not even a Carolina fan but just as a football fan you can clearly see who the fucking issue is tepper doesn’t know a damn thing about football at all, but because he is the fucking owner no one can stop him, it’s sad but literally Carolina y’all got a runaway mad man in the owner spot and I am genuinely upset sure how you get him out. There’s no one else above him this ain’t a democracy it’s a dictatorship, he can literally do whatever tf he wants, and unfortunately what he is doing is absolutely shittyisming the entire panther organization, they are losing because of him.
@@mattmiller27 gave him a much better o line and a better receiving core and he has been 10 times worse. He’s rattled out there. Watch what dalton does this week and get back to me. Not saying we will win but I guarantee we score more than 3 points. And I guarantee our receivers touch the ball
Cam look like Dracula at his first patriots game in ‘96
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bru😂😂😂😂😂😂
They need to stop rushing these boys out there
I don't know how it could possibly work, but man, I wish there was some sort of farm league along the lines of the Minor Leagues for these guys. College isn't a sufficient system, in my opinion. The best development they really get is playing against the practice squad.
Of course, I can't see any team willing to put their players at risk of getting injured playing in a farm league. But I'd absolutely watch it.
@@heyheyhey33351 that's what they had the NFL Europe or World League
@unclejj9600 Forgot the Europe League existed. And, of course, it was horribly mismanaged 🤣
I am really curious how a farm league based in the US would go. I know I would love it. Especially if it proved to effectively develop players to an NFL level.
@@unclejj9600 no top draft pick was playing in NFL Europe even when it did exist
Steve Young went to law school after retiring. He said studying a nfl playbook is harder than law school.
Everybody can't be CJ, most need to sit for two years.
Cam casually wearing a Drew Bledsoe retro Pats jersey is the happiest thing I've seen in weeks!
Respectfully, this didn’t age well. Especially after watching Chuba run for 114 yards, Johnson catching for 122 yards, and dalton throwing for 300+ yards and 3TDs.
Moton shut Crosby down too
I was gonna comment the same but saw you found this firt. hahahaha.
Honestly I don’t see how a proven veteran QB coming in and playing well changes what it takes to develop a young rookie QB.
No, this still stands. Cause what does this mean? The team has it out for Bryce. Same dudes, same everything, but then they play completely different after the QB change? It then seems personal. A lot more questions than answers in Carolina
@@josephhughs5476bro hasn’t played a snap in over a year. Bryce has had plenty of opportunities to show growth and development. We expect veteran qb play out of Andy dalton but 300+ for 3tds and chuba is eating?? Be real bro
That young man never looked comfortable when you see his face after a drive last year. He always looks defeated. Its crazy
To me, he always looked like "what the hell am I doing here? Is it some bad dream?"
@@jeanfourcade Word!
If you were throwing behind that line, you'd be just as depressed man 😂
@@parkermixes8851Panthers top 5 o line ? Lmao stop talking out ya ass they whole team sucks
@@parkermixes8851they have no anything they sorry ass defense cant even stop a team from dropping 40 on them
Cam looking like Eddie Murphy in Vampire in Brooklyn with that get up. 😂
Whoopi Goldberg in Ghost...
Evil is good and 🫏 is good. Once you get you a piece of evil 🫏. Whew
Cam is very hard to take seriously. He doesn't learn.
😂😂😂😂😂
I sure hope that cars an automatic, cause Cam ain’t gonna have enough damn hands to drive and shit
Dog Jeremy Shockey one of my favorite TEs ever. I used to kill with young Jeremy in madden 😂🔥
I WATCH WEEKLY,YEARLY! 704 area code . WITH ALL DO RESPECT BRYCE IS ASSSSSSS
NOW LETS GOOOOO ANYDY ! Bet we get a win soon My Boy Bryce WENT 2-17
How tf u think US FANS FEEL
GD man you replied to the wrong comment and in all caps. Best part is you edited the fkn thing lmfao
Stfu and hop of YT fuqboi@@nflboy9127
😂😂He caught everything
Shitty-ism? Oh I’m going to have to borrow that one 😂😂😂😂
*Ocho voice* let me grab my pen 😂😂😂
The way Peggy is whispering shittyism 💀
Did you see the Panthers game today Cam? Did you see the great on-line and all the help Bryce had??
And where was that help while Bryce was starting catdude? Yall will see results and no nuance. Football fans, the most brain dead type of person
@@hiroshi1046please Inform us why Dalton got this team looking decent with the same cast oh wise one?
they'll turn into a pumpkin next week 😂
@@hiroshi1046 You still don't understand. The help was there bruh. Bryce just doesn't have the ability to unleash what he had. It's like sticking a toddler in the seat of a Ford Raptor. And no, I'm not saying "toddler" just because Bryce is short.
Panthers azz since cam 😂
its crazy because i knew this was gon happen, i knew once cam leave its back to the same sorry panthers. idgaf what nobody say cam was tge best qb we had, n he put charlotte on the map
hate his shoulder got fucked up n couldn’t play the same
They were ass every year except like 2 with him too
@@LouieOcean.We were kinda ass but made the playoffs every other year AND Cams Panthers were exciting to watch even if his play style backfired sometimes. When the offense was going it was spectacular to watch and it hasn‘t been ever since. The offense got worse and more boring every year and that’s where we at now. Ass AND boring! It has been physically painful to watch a panthers game for at least 2 years now 😂
@@bloodomen2794how long have you been a fan? Can I guess? 10 years?
I appreciate that drew bledsoe jersey 💪🏾
Substituted, but never forgotten 😢😂
@@yurrgeeRight 😂
When a team is drafting a first round qb in the top 5 picks the best thing they can do is go sign a vet qb to a short term contract who can be a serviceable starter and show the young guy the ways and let them get acclimated to the speed of the game and all the new stuff. Everyone ragged on the falcons for going and getting Kirk Cousins and then drafting Penix. But I think that’s was a very smart move.
Everyone ragged on the falcons cuz they signed kirk to a 4 year 160 million dollar deal. Penixs contract is 4 years as well. He will be 27-28 by the time he starts
Paying a guy starting QB money to mentor a rookie seems insane to me. I get your point, but an Andy Dalton or Jacoby Brissett would be better for that than paying a guy like Cousins.
@@Michael_PageI agree. I prefer how the Vikings did it with Sam Darnold and JJ McCarthy.
4 years 160 to mentor?
The falcons getting Cousins was big Penix energy
I will always love this man! Forever my QB1!! We miss you in Carolina Cam. Keep Pounding 🖤💙
Looks like Chuba Hubbard and Dionte Johnson are extremely capable. The issue is not the supporting cast, clearly...
And let's not forget how panthers o-line is the most efficient in the league right now... even after going against max crosby... I mean what other excuses can people make for Bryce? Do you have any ideas?
It looks like Cam takes 2 hours longer than he says to get ready and they end up missing the concert
Andy Dalton proved how much experience matters. Cam your take my friend about how Andy would lose 2 games was more off than a tute in a church
Cam wants to blame the organization and everyone else soooo bad. Panthers o-line is the most efficient in the league right now. The only thing that changed was andy dalton and they looked like a different team. Cam clearly has no idea wtf he's talking about.
I'm a big panthers fan, byrce made tons of mistake and it's not all on him, Andy did come thru for us qith a win, but let's if it continues
@christopherfelton5169 Dalton has to continue to win for you to dee the light? Let me get this straight, They go from losing by 30 every game to actually winning a game, Theirs a huge gap in your brain.
@commonsense3921
Again I wanna see if it continues cause personally I don't think so HOWEVER I HOPE IM WRONG
Ok so today when you guys go back and look at this take and after you said they didnt have any help, from o line to wr, to running game to defense. You said that and every thing was answered with a competent QB back there. He got help.l as we can see. 300- 100- 100
Cam Newton is right. The players surrounding Bryce in key spots suck.
Except the O-line is top 10 though 🤷🏻♂️
@@daveczarnik6017they came in at # 20 this year. bottom half, stop lying. the truth is not in you
@@daveczarnik6017 were ranked preseason at 30/32, this week they are coming in ranked 19 lmao what?
@@chefchefchef they are top 10 in pass blocking
@@chefchefchef they’re literally top 10 in pass blocking
This is my first time seeing this channel I’m locked in now !
I am a Tampa Bay Bucs fan living in Charlotte. I was always a Cam Newton fan even when they played us. I don't respect the Carolina franchise for how they treat their personnel or do business and until that changes they will be the Jacksonville Jaguars pre Trevor Lawrence days. I respect Cam Newton more after this for speaking the truth given his past and current position as the greatest Panther QB to do it. He clearly does not care who he offends or if will cause dissention if the truth comes from it and that is to be admired and respected.
lol yeah i can tell. listen that bs he talking. bryce is the problem. andy showed that today. learn nfl and know the truth
@@drew388 Learn NFL? How about you stfu lol
Who is here after dalton lit it up
Cam with the Drew Bledsoe throwback on.
Y'all's comments aren't aging very well.The game today proved that. Bryce is the problem. Hate to say it, but dude cant play in the NFL. Its hard to judge how good or bad the team is when the QB cant throw the ball, cant read the defense, cant run well enough to escape, has horrible foot work, doesnt have any pocket presence, etc. Dude might be an ok backup. Definition of a bust
You do know that he has won the heisman in the best league in college... so because Andy Dalton won the game everything is fixed i guess
@@GasMaskBudzthere have been Heisman winning busts before. Success in college is not a guarantee of success in the NFL.
@evilcoleslaw that is true but he has all the attributes... I think he needs a better team.. 3 coaches in 2 years that is a clear sign of disfunction
@@GasMaskBudz He doesn't really have all the attributes. He's tiny (he's listed at 5'10'' 200 but he's closer to 5'9'' 180), he doesn't have exceptional arm strength, he doesn't have exceptional speed to be a real dual threat. His intangibles were supposed to make up for those physical shortcomings, but it appears to me that they can't.
Also I don't get why people are including the interims in our HC numbers.
@evilcoleslaw frank Reich wasn't a interim... yall had 1 and then the new coach this year... his arm strength was nfl ready? Maybe not like Josh Allen and all those flame throwers but it was def way above subpar
I love Cam! Comeback please 🙏🏻
Cam only wrong about the o line. They have played well this season
They have not played well. What game are you watching. Bryce can’t even stay in the pocket to throw because they are getting pushed back. And don’t forget the poor blocking at RB. Bryce was also sacked the most last year. He’s going to end up like David Carr in Houston
Like I said only delusional Panther fans believe this OL is good and played well b/c Pro Football Hall fame said so delusional 😂😂😂😂Bryce runs for his life their not good
@@chris34ce exactly. Bryce can even stay in the pocket to throw. Most of his interceptions are from the pocket and slant routes where db jumping the routes
They're ranked 20th in the league. I wouldn't call that playing well.
@@rockjm9876543210 20th is being nice. That number should be 31 lol. I’ve never seen a worse OL except for Baltimore. Lamar has to step outside the box just to throw or buy time
Desmond Ridder was a winner in College too.....
Desmond Ridder played for Cincinnati (the University of) Bryce played for Bama! Two entirely different levels! Bryce and Bama would have totally dominated Ridder's Cincinnati team! 😂😂😂
Bledsoe jersey looks sick man
Go watch the tape Cam. It doesn't lie. Don't blame the O line its one of the best in pass protection so far this year in the league.
Source? Because they're ranked 20th in the league according to pff.
@@rockjm9876543210 They're around #10 in pass blocking, and even if they were #20 that's a poor excuse. Bryce is booty cheeks.
Bryce had 2 problems coming into the league that he had no control of.
1. He's too small.
2. The expectations for him were too high because of the overinflated feeling of superiority of the SEC in general and Bama in particular.
I absolutely agree with your second point. The SEC (or Big 10, or whatever hyped up division is under the telescope of recruiters) is NOT equivalent to what the Minor Leagues are to MLB, where all the players are playing with the intent of getting called up into the Majors. A large number of college players are not going to get drafted, and a large number of the players aren't even there with the expectation (or even intent) of going pro. College performance absolutely does not predict performance in the NFL. Yet drafts continue to seem to reflect the hype that was built around college performances.
I kind of disagree with your first point, though. At least as far as height goes. Kyler Murray is also 5'10". Russell Wilson is 5'11". They both have or had linemen that were well over 6 feet. Now, the important similarity between Murray and Wilson is that they are incredibly mobile. Can't really say that about Young. But could he adapt? Possibly.
3. He was put in one of the worst situations in professional football. Hes probably not good enough to turn a franchise around but he got almost sabotaged in his rookie season.
@@heyheyhey33351 Not sure about Murray, but Russell Wilson definitely seems to have more bulk.
He can bulk up fasho
@ericriffel8954 Absolutely. Young is a skinny dude. But that's one thing he DOES have control of. They've got training facilities, training staff, and the time needed to bulk up. No doubt he had access to stuff like that when he was going to Alabama, too.
Well, turned out it ain’t the coaching and the staff or his players. It was the quarterback. NEXT!
against a trash raiders team this is goofy
@@killemkilluaClearly didn't watch the game. Also the raiders are a top 15 defense
I really can't believe the bad takes here man. All of the sports media took massive Ls this week defending Bryce young and we still have these goobers trying to gaslight us in youtube comments and reddit posts lol. Open your eyes and watch for yourself. It can't be more obvious.
Last year, yes it was the coaching, staff, and players. This year, nah. We definitely upgraded and made good decisions moving forward on roster moves. I still would give Bryce a chance with the right timing and development because they did just throw him in last year into a bad situation and didn’t have stability. Can’t blame him last year but just these 2 games this season as you can tell his mental is not in a good space. He needs to sit back behind a vet like all rookie quarterbacks used to for development. They should’ve did that last year.
@@Tm24-k
Who gives a F__K about last year? Isn’t he a rookie?
They drafted the top Rb in this years draft in Jonathan Brooks , they also got a young TE in Sanders and the line is playing well if Daltons has any success with the same supporting cast that’s the nail
See what a change in Qb Does
I literally saw a play where Bryce snapped the ball and had the whole Saints defense in his face when he turned around last year, no help is the nice way of putting it
Nope, in reality Bryce Young is cheeks. The o line is mediocre to even above average and he has new receivers. Andy Dalton lighting it up just ended the "Bryce Young had no chance" narrative.
Well well andy dalton did amazing job. So Bryce is probably a problem lol.
Love to see you rockin the pats jersey bro, great stuff as always!
The entire organization lacked faith and played badly. Bryce was at the centre of that crisis. Now with Dalton the faith is back and with it the skill. What's left now is Bryce to learn how to be an NFL QB behind Dalton and win the locker room back. Maybe then he can be the future of Carolina.
Those who become great are surrounded by greatness.
This aged well
Simply outclassed them with the answer
My dad is from Charlotte and this is what he said on the whole thing. “ Can we fully blame the organization or player here? Yes Tepper hasn’t done a good job of owning the team but also Bryce hasn’t proven he is capable/ready to be in the league period. Yes a good College QB but Poor NFL QB, happens all of the time”
Bingo
Trash take
@@lightingthief4482 it’s not even just my dad, his entire side of the family don’t think the kid can play. Yeah he can struggle but he hasn’t shown LITERALLY ANYTHING
With no Line or weapons!
@@TheTrudatbravo and we saw what andy dalton did with the same "no line or weapons"
I really want to hear what Cam thinks about today’s game and how the red rocket got it done
I don't even like Cam, But he is On the Money here!
Not really, Bryce was really terrible last games and last season. Watch the tape.
@@mr_movieguru with that supporting cast, not even Manning, Brady or Montana would be successful.
He really not
@@mr_movieguru if you say so, but aren’t they suppose to be in rebuild mode? Watch the tape!
@@cbcbrown88 I really don’t care, if their fans think they are only a QB away, then that means two division wins a year are guaranteed for everybody else! Lol
All that money carolina lost in just quarterbacks they could have rebuild the team 6:04
A few days later and swapping qbs results in a huge win.....
this probably one of the feww times i disagree with Cam. bryce missing throws that Cam could complete with his eyes closed right now
Team is terrible bro be fr he just said he had better players
Im gonna believe cam who has been honest about qb's if he's saying the teams ass. Its ass
@@shadow_td Andy Dalton is tearing it up with the same offense. Bryce is clearly booty.
@@michaels7159 WHAT HAPPENED?! SORRY ASS PANTHERS STRUCK AGAIN
@@shadow_td And Bryce is still booty and Andy is clearly far better 😆 you keep failing every week still trying to defend a bum QB
Cam 100% right.
Nope, Bryce is booty
Still think that?
Oline- they went out this offseason and fixed the o-line. It’s been one of the best this season so far.
TE- drafted Sanders
RB - Chuba is a good Rb.
Defense - was our strength last year. This year they’ve sucked only because the offense can’t stay on the field.
How about we hold Bryce accountable?
Being rated 14th isn't much of a upgrade oline
They have 148 total rushing yards as a team. There are single players with more. When Adam is your yards leader. You have a problem
There teams in the league that'd love to be ranked 14th, that's not terrible. It doesn't matter who you throw the ball to if you can't accurately get it to them.
Nah bro Chuba ain’t it I can’t agree with that.
They’re ranked 19th now, so no, not one of the best, stop lying
Ur so right...that's the first thing I said when I Heard the News...what about the coaching and front office????
Damn Cam don’t even watch panthers play anymore 😭. Watch the tape Cam please .
This is just QB having Qb’s back
Cam is being politically correct he can't criticize Bryce he'll get big backlash
Man if you think yall are a QB away, you are delulu. Yeah Bryce is a factor but the team is 🗑️
@@pakmann864The offense line is top 5 in pass protection
Honestly Bryce's play is TERRIBLE
Cam NEVER talks down another player. It is very rare for successful ex-players to publicly condone the eviction of a player.
Cam is so real, so many well said things here. Too bad carolina won’t do anything sensible
If im being honest bryce just isnt good.. yall say tye line bad and that the recivers arent good or wtv but when you watch the tape he just doesnt make good reads even if the timing is off he still doesnt make good reads , he dont even show flashes of being competent , cj showed flashes, anthony richardson showed flashes, he the worse qb in his class levis even got flashes.. zach wilson, caleb williams and even sam darnold got flashes
Legette might be the worst route runner in the league, Thielen is mid, the line is last half of the league
@learn2xpand862 none of that matters if he can't make a basic read..if you watch tape caleb williams aint playing bad the timing is off but his reads are solid .. he not even making decent reads.
@@colbyryans1018 yeah because he has no confidence, because they haven’t established any run game for him!!! There is no QB that can win a game with their run completely neutralized, it may have happened but you almost never win, now I can agree he’s made bad reads but he had some flashes last year and I think the O line is at the very most meh and his reaching corps is awful, Legette was the worst route runner coming out and this trash organization picked him and thought Sanders would help? It’s just baffling how they’re running this thing
Cam id like a video asap about how Dalton took the no help and dismantled the raiders with 300+ passing yards and 3 tubs
Cam says people need to be held accountable, but at some point Bryce has to be held accountable. He’s somehow worse this year than last, when they’ve invested in OL, TE, and WR to help him. If Dalton comes in and the offense looks competent then there’s really only one person to blame…
I think the question at this point is, is Young struggling because he's not NFL material? Or because he hasn't had the opportunity to properly develop into a starting role? His game is rough, no question. But that's not completely unheard of with QBs just coming into the league. In fact, it can generally be expected that there is at least one thing in their game in need of development.
Ultimately, I think he's absolutely better off at second string. We'll see if he can develop in a way that makes him starting material, if not with the Panthers, then with one of the other 31 teams.
Probably cause they fired their coach and gave their 1st round pick away.
Did you watch the video. Cam and all the pros including Shannon sharpe mentioned them WRs ain’t gonna cut it. Have you noticed that most wr the panthers didn’t sign an extension are no longer in the nfl or practice squad ex TMJ, Devin Funchess, Kelvin Benjamin. Don’t get me started with the Tight end. Even Greg Olsen saw the shit show coming and retired just like Luke 😅😅. Also you see Chicago only wanted DJ Moore. Let that sink in. Xavier may be their best bet but he’s a rookie. Mingo ain’t it 😂😂
Their best receiver is 36 years old and on the decline, this coming from a Vikings fan who seen the best of #19. I don't know who there RB1 or RB2 is and there TE1 is also young and inexperienced. Let's be real brodie
@harlemkidd82485 Yup. Love the hell out of Thielen, but he was by no means the first receiver QBs were looking to when he left Minnesota.
Cam is real as it gets
Andy threw for 319 and won !!! So now what ??
Andy is also a veteran that has played in the nfl since 2009...
Tom Brady literally just spoke on this this summer with Stephen A. Young players don't have a chance to actually DEVELOP for the pros anymore. They're just getting thrown into the fire and then criticized when a team (predictably) struggles in winning games.
😂 200 + Yards in two quarters Bryce two hundred yards in two games... cam is to much 😅😂
So I guess Cam is just gonna gloss over the fact that Dalton threw for 319 yards and 3 TDs with that same roster?
Cam is absolutely spot on and you would think he knows quite a bit about the subject matter
Smash and Dash baby those were the good ol days!
Team won 7 games the year before Bryce was drafted. They messed up not hiring Steve Wilks after he made them respectable as an interim coach. They wanted an offensive guy and haven't had an offense since.
And getting rid of DJ moore
Cam look like he wearing 3 of his favorite outfits... at the same time lol
Totally agree with tha take bryce is legit
don't know what was said here but it doesnt appear to have aged well.
Typical cam newton shit, he needs help with an undertone, black qbs are not given chances blah blah yadda
And what did Andy Dalton Just do?
The Panthers Oline has ranked top 5 these past two weeks. Bryce out here running into sacks. Let’s not act like he can’t improve and it’s just on everyone else around him.
I watched him scan the field and 🥷’s weren’t open. You left that part out huh?
@@rjwill1992 watch the film again. These past two games people have been open. He’s missed them often. If you think Bryce is without any fault, that’s on you. I watched him run into a sack on the sideline this past Sunday when he could’ve ran for 5 yards or threw it out of bounds. I’ve seen him throw picks directly to defenders. He has three in two games. This isn’t last year. There are opportunities and he’s admitted he’s missed them. He’s taking some blame for these Ls.
@@jalan6270 Not once did I say Bryce wasn't at fault.
Also, here's players who have 3 picks in 2 games.
Jared Goff
Mahomes
Jalen Hurts
Tua
Will Levis
You can have a top 5 oline but the wrs not getting open will force to coverage sacks that time is gonna tick even faster Sunday against the raiders dline
@@rjwill1992 so what was the point of you bringing up other players when Bryce was the focus of my comment. My comment said Bryce isn’t without fault and you replied “you didnt mention the WRs”. We not talking about the WRs right now. We’re talking about Bryce having some responsibility and you decided to deflect that.
Andy Dalton didn’t seem to struggle with the support system
Well this didnt age so well
Correct
Looks like he had weapons 👍🏾😂
The Red Rifle once again proves he could be a starter. Cam is ring, once again.
All Of Those Have Gotten Better. O-Line has drastically improved and has been protecting Bryce young unlike last year.
The only sacks that have came was when Bryce young extended the play.
We couldn’t even evaluate these WR’s because the ball hasn’t been pushed down the field. The WR Group as a whole has improved. Who would you rather have?
Diontae Johnson Or DJ Chark?
Adam Thielen dispite his age is still competitive and we haven’t even opened up the play book for Legette.
I believe this week we look more competitive than the past two weeks.
I understand the NATIONAL media has an opinion about this this team for this year, but the national media doesn’t watch our games to truly get a good enough analysis, because if they did, they wouldn’t utter the O-Line as a problem.
The media want outrage. More noise and less backlash blaming the organization than blaming an egregiously inept #1draft QB.
You’re right. The shit and potential worst number 1 pick of all time is the problem. Glad we clarified that
His receivers are garbage and the running game is garbage
@@FREE_WILL_DEFENDER Have You watched More Than Just A Few Bad Plays In Carolina To Make That Assessment? Have you watch the All -22 film like the majority of Panthers Content Creators Do?
Mfer Legette can’t even beat out MINGO on the depth chart…let that sink in.
Good job cam, you told a 100% truth🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Aight Cam, what you got to say now og?
Cam speaking fax 💯
Agree 100 percent….get him the resources and get his confidence back
💯 man they just blaming it all on him. The team as a whole is trash.
He can have those in Miami or somewhere else. Dude ain’t it. And yes, Carolina Panthers are straight trash homie.
Andy Dalton just changed the music!
Cam. I. Agree. With. You. Thank. You
Bryce is booty
Great viewpoint on the subject.
I have a hard time believing Cams been watching the games. The line is good, the rbs are serviceable, they have drafted weapons. You can argue the defense is way worse but it's not like he's in shoot out. Hell the d has had multiple turnovers and he's squandered those opportunities
Bryce will not be successful in the NFL, he just doesnt have it
@@Mainsterr agree
Line is better but still not great
@@ericclatterbuck6633O line is ranked 3rd in the NFL so far
The weapons are honestly not bad either. Diontae Johnson is good. Chuba Hubbard is solid. Thielen is a decent safety blanket for an easy 5-7 yard completion. Legette has sky high upside as well. They gave Brice the weapons, it’s his own fault he sucks
Cam spitting as per usual
They drafted a receiver in the 2nd rd last year, brought in a veteran receiver, signed a RB in free agency, drafted the best RB in this most recent draft also spent a first round pick on a WR and brought in the OC that helped Geno and Baker look like starting QBs and got them paid. Don’t act like Carolina isn’t trying with this kid, maybe he’s just too small and the game is too fast for him
We don't have a rb bro...chubba ain't it fam
@@704_ss_connor-4I’m not saying he is, I’m saying we’ve invested in Bryce and unfortunately we just made the wrong pick
Just bring CAM back . With ppl some talent
Cam Newton is by far the best quarterback Carolinas ever had but he is so wrong about this. It’s not even funny I watched his tape and I watched Bryce Young tape both when they were in the draft, and it was night and day. I wanted to believe that Bryce would be some stellar quarterback in the NFL, but my mind was telling me he did not have the it factor to make everybody else around him better
Agreed. Bryce hasn't shown anything what says he can be very good.
Facts
I agree with everything you said after the first sentence. Jake Delhomme, for a while, was just as good as Cam. Less athletic and talented, but he got the job done and was a better leader and not a narcissist.
@@ericriffel8954 loved jake!
Everything they said was great about Bryce has never been seen. Instead the blame is put on his teammates and the organization because it’s easier to do so. Bryce got himself benched with his bad play. Why blame the team when he takes unnecessary sacks, throws interceptions, overthrows wide open receivers, and doesn’t see the open receivers. Thats on Bryce and the team can’t be accurately evaluated if we have bad QB play.
Cam speaking straight facts despite being QB biased but he’s 100% right. Young can’t overcome this right now
Cam put yo cap on we need you bro
Wearing #11 from one of the greatest to ever play! Hell yeah! Let's GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m always here for Tepper slander but the O-line has been solid. The benching is deserved
He's a young QB, year 2 in his second coach and offense. Wtf you want him to be perfect game 2? Send him to Miami already
@@jsanders9975Bryce is a freaking bum
@@jsanders9975 he has a much better offense around him and is somehow playing worse than last year. He is worse than every qb drafted this year or last year. When Andy balls this week we will see what is possible for this team
@@toddpacker1015 2yrs with a bum organization will give that perception
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@@jacobgoodman704 much better my ass, it's year 2 with a new system and coach. We don't know what kind of team it is yet. But the organization is garbage
Yah that speak backfired
Bryce is trash, Dalton made the whole team look good.
Cam, you were part of that running game too!!!!!
This didn’t age well
Why
The locker room knew Dalton is better and were probably near a revolt if Young kept playing.
Cam I ain’t gone lie to you dawg at some point you got hit the barbershop😂😂
A lil edge won't hurt em huh??
I don’t think anybody’s arguing they have handled Bryce Young incorrectly. The fact of the matter, however, watching Dalton’s play, he clearly is the person who should be in the role at this moment. Then again I believe all rookies should sit a year. My role is a leader has taught me, the absolute value of observation before performance
That young man also holding on to the ball forever
ua-cam.com/video/yHMHYc86Fgk/v-deo.html
😂😂😂😂
All young qbs hold on to the ball long tho. U need to experience to know that. It's easy to say that for watching
Man that kid aint showed one glimpse worthy of a 1st overall pick. I was down with the excuses last year i held out hope but im with the coach i seen enough. Dont forget they watched him all camp struggle agaisnt our terrible defense. If dalton completes just one 20 yard pass sunday i will have seen all i need to see.
That’s because the WRs running lazy routes. They not open. The db are in a zone waiting to jump the roure
Thank you for stating the obvious. His confidence is shot. Frank tried to kill that man all because that wasnt his qb of choice. That man deliberately sabotaged that man out there by calling repetitive plays, would t let him throw down field, and just not giving him a stable system to work in. Bryce genuinely looked scared last week. I still believe and hope bryce is our QB. This was needed for his mental and confidence. Ik bryce was the consensus #1 pick because EVERYBODY at the top of the draft last year wanted him. And i DARE somebody to say otherwise because they will be lying through their teeth or just didnt know. Bryce will be fine. Im sick of all of this and ready for something good to finally come our way
Really Cam??? I can tell you haven't watched Carolina this season. Our offensive line is really good. We have WR's that can get open. Dude, watch how freaking different we look Sunday. We have a running game. Chubba is a top 15 RB, what are you talking about.
Loved it!! 👍
Sorry Cam but his oline was the best last game. Bryce himself was really terrible. I haven't seen any glimps of greatness in Bryce last season and these 2 games. Your taking it way to personal. And that comes from a panther fan since 2003. I do agree this ownership is a sh*tshow and miss the old days untill 2018. And i really loved seeing you guys play. It died on me. It is horrendous looking at panther games the last 5 years. It hurts.
I hope you listen to what he said about losing his confidence.
Your left tackle sucks bro yall are the 19th ranked o line in the league and it might’ve been good play for your disastrous standards but it’s definitely low tier play
@@gudeboindy6674 he didn't had it from day one.
@@learn2xpand862 panthers rank 5th in pass protection this year lol and bryce still cant do anything
@@learn2xpand862 bryce was terrible watch the tape instead of defending him like crazy give all the fault to his teammates. He was just utterly bad.
Damn: 3.10 to 4.37 is truth. Would love for Tepper to listen to this and consider.
Bryce is not a bust, he just needs more talent around him it’s not his fault he came into a bad situation
Cam deserves to be on a roster spot. Guys like Sam Darnold and Andy Dalton gets opportunities after opportunities. None of them have a MVP and SB appearance to their name