How WRONG are You About Your SWING PLANE? - Golf Test Dummy
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“Can people please now understand why we sell 40 packs”😂 Oh my god, that was priceless! Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
I'm not just the Golf Test Dummy, I'm the joke test dummy. I'd say that one landed square.
I give you credit for not laughing when she said it. So, did you buy the 40 pack?
Golf is a humbling game. As the Brits say, it kicks you in the goolies! I, like you, have tried many swing methods. I've had moderate success with several of them but when things go wrong, I abandon them. Very discouraging, to tell you the truth. Keep at it Chad! You're an athlete and will figure it out. It's so hot right now that I've really cut back on practice... it's giving my shoulder some extra healing time, which is a good thing. Enjoying your channel!
Thanks, Barry, and I'll tell you what; I meant to be on course more this year, but this Summer is just brutal. I'm waiting for a break in the weather and I'll be on course more often.
The best instruction I ever got for swing plane was worry about the handle of the club. The shaft and clubhead are too hard to control. But when I focus on what the handle of the club does for me. Thinks started to fall into place
It's good advice, and I've done that in the past.
I tried so many things to address my slice and after one session at golftec it turned out to be my back swing which I hadn't even considered. I had to swing under the noodle and it forced me to hook or create a nice draw which was the first time I've ever done that. Many people overlook the back swing and only focus on grip, stance and ball position... Definitely an eye opening lesson which has helped me gain confidence on using my driver off the tee now without fear of a wicked slice!
What we think is happening is so rarely what's really happening.
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D@mnit! 11:48 I was nice and relaxed, took a good sip of my Black Russian and… you made me spew! I’ll be clearing my throat for the next hour! These vids need warning labels!
It looks more like your plane is off because you're rolling your forearms open. 8:07 on pause 🤷♂️
You really need to watch Porzak Golf. I love his way of explaining the take away. If you stay connected and rotate the chest arms hands club as one unit, you can't help but stay on plane.
I've actually been working on that very thing in recent days. I'm pretty sure Moe stumbled on to his swing because of frustration at a young age, haha. He just got tired of it and said here, I'll put everything where it CAN'T go wrong.
Fun to watch, I am so inconsistent with my swing, either a perfect really long drive or sprayed everywhere, if they would let me hit two balls every hole I could turn pro lol 😂
Haha, that's true. 🤣
You got a much better instructor than I did when I tried Golftec for sure!
After dealing with me, Jess is gonna have to quit her job and sell insurance or something. Too much trauma, haha.
Man I feel this video so much! For us that refuse to except bad golf it can be a brutal brutal game
Thanks, Ben. That's the reaction I hope for.
Great effort once again. Keep it up!
Thank you. Much appreciated.
Man the end really hit home for me. I struggle with the feeling that I am hopeless and just not cut out for this sport.
It's not a foreign feeling to me at times, haha. I have so many people tell me that "it's just golf, calm down", but it's my passion and I take it to heart.
Never give up, I’ve been there and have won 2 club championships! Remember, winners never quit and quitters never win. This may be a controversial idea, but I play better by knowing how to make adjustments during a round. You don’t need that “perfect” swing. If Jack Nicklaus made adjustments then shouldn’t all of us?! Jack hit his famous 1-iron to within inches of the hole in 1972 at Pebble Beach. Afterwards he said he made an ADJUSTMENT at the top of that swing! Learn adjustments that work for you! Sometimes it’s the timing of your release, sometimes it could be your head position being off…etc. When they say golf is a mental game, it literally is. Anyway, the end of this video compelled me to reach out to encourage you. Maybe a different approach will help. 😊
Many thanks for the encouragement. It's been a hell of an experiment so far, and nothing has been easy. Such is golf though.
This is me! Please don't give up lol
Golf is a tough game. Everybody knows it's hard on you physically, but people don't pay enough attention to the mental and emotional difficulty.
Chad, personally I would listen to the instructor. Your comment section is littered with people giving you free advice. That stuff could make your head spin.
The comment section in this video has been pretty varied, haha.
Your right forearm is rotating the wrong way at the start of the downswing. You need to feel like you're screwing IN a lightbulb in the ceiling to start the downswing. What you're doing now is causing a bit of casting and ulnar deviation which causes you to lose your lag tension and is giving you early extension.
Watch Cameron Champs swing and you'll see the move I'm talking about. Your clubhead is moving completely opposite of the way it should be. Basically, you're cutting the corner in an effort to increase clubhead speed instead of making the turn.
I've seen quite a bit of the "twist of the wrist" idea in the last few years, and it makes a ton of sense. In trying to implement that, however, I've had a few issues personally. The biggest side effect is the face stays wide open and I blast it way right. So, that side effect has to be counteracted with something else to square the face. Usually, that is combining the twist with body rotation, which has also been a weak spot of mine, haha. It's seems like so many things in golf end up becoming a series of compensations, like treating an illness with a pill, that needs other pills to deal with side effects. Somewhere in this tangle is the root cause and if I can fix that, it would eliminate a ton of these other "pills", but of all the things I've tried and tested and showcased over the years, only a few things have made big differences.
@@GolfTestDummy The screwing in of the lightbulb is a very subtle move that starts the club moving on the proper path. Yes, it feels like the face will be wide open but if you let the club do what it's designed to do it will square up properly at impact. You're in the habit of closing that face way too early. If you over-manipulate the clubface you overcome the engineering and design of the golf club. Yes, oftentimes we have to change two or more things in order to get everything working properly but that's usually because people have learned how to compensate one flaw with another. Good swing + bad grip = no good. 'Know what I mean ...
I literally can't believe this GolfTec instructor did not address that move at the top. That should have been the first thing. You're losing a ton of speed and energy there.
There is no reason you can't be hitting the ball 280 to 300 ish. I'm 58 with a slipped L5 and I can do it!
One more thing, it looks like your left hand is a bit too weak which will make you want to close the face manually. Take a look at most of today's bombers, a lot of them us a strong left hand grip.
This was awesome to see and this relationship between the path and the result it brings, ... damn ... I'm self taught so ... need tto reshuffle thangs. Awesome 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Rock on 🤘
It's good to see you getting the club up faster as I've been saying for a long time. Your trail elbow is working too far around you in order for you to optimize leverage without some strong compensating movements. If you watch tour pro swings, many of the more compact ones begin to prepare the trail elbow to tuck in fast in the early downswing by beginning to curtail the width of it's arc in the last third or so of the backswing. This is because leveraging the trail elbow and wrist is the biggest source of power in the downswing and you need the right sequence in order to prepare to use it.
It is possible to swing the trail elbow wide and then get it into a position for tremendous leverage but it requires a squat and drop of the lower abdomen and pulling of the arms into the body. This is something that can be seen in pretty much all power hitters. Without doing this, spinal tilt will be lost and the club must be dropped early which is what is happening to you now. So you are keeping your hips back much better (still a little drift forward) but you are having to stand up and throw the club around your body while dropping the shaft in order to square the clubface.
So the two options to fix it are to 1) load your trail elbow earlier and tighter to your body in your backswing so that you don't have to stand up in order to get it in front of you to release the club. 2) Do the squat, drop the belly, and pull in that I described above. Not everyone has the strength and coordination to do 2) and it also requires a little extra suppleness in the lower back and hip sockets. The wider you move the trail elbow, and the harder you swing, the faster that whole sequence has to happen.
The other consideration for 2) is that since one is going wide to narrow (so to speak) with the trail elbow more than otherwise in the swing, the trail wrist tends to go into more extension in swings that employ that technique. I notice that you are having very little TWE in your driver swings in this video so I'm not sure how that would work for you.
Even in swings with a very tight early trail elbow tuck in the backswing (Jason Dufner or Brian Harman, for example) which are using more technique 1), you will still find more retention of the angle between the thighs and the lower abdomen, and so more squat in transition, than is happening with you.
As I said in earlier comments, keeping the right relationship between the releasing trail elbow and the angle of the lower abdomen is one of the absolute biggest power secrets in golf because it lets you leverage the trail elbow on the plane that the shaft is releasing on which lets you retain the shaft angle as long as possible as you turn through impact. Examine any tour swing and you will see this happening even in shorter players. Generally, this will end up feeling a bit more like that your lead external oblique is moving more up and back and your trail side more down and forward while coming into the ball.
One of the main things that one is always trying to do in the golf swing is keep the motion of the shaft connected with the motion of the lead side of the body because through impact, it's the lead side of the body that is moving the club around the body because the weight is on the lead foot. In S&T, you don't need a squat as much because the weight hardly moves but in swings where the weight travels to the trail side, the squat related motions that I have described "reconnect" the motion of the shaft with the lead side during the transition which is absolutely essential for efficient leveraging of the shaft as the weight moves targetward. I hope that you find this helpful. Cheers.
So, how would this happen, or does it happen, in single plane?
@@GolfTestDummy Well it will definitely happen in any swing where the weight is moving to the trail side significantly. If you take Dechambeau for example, he has significant drive of the trail elbow back behind him like most power hitters do and you can see that he has a significant squat and retention of the angle of his abdomen coming down.
How it happens and feels depends somewhat on how you stand to the ball and where your weight is front to back on your feet. However, generally you will notice that tour pros almost have a feeling of sitting (or even slightly falling) back as they point the abdomen down during the transition and then holding that to pre-impact as the hips rotate. So it looks at though they start to sit down and the trail thigh moves forward and become roughly parallel with the lead thigh down the line by about the time the hip line becomes parallel to the target line.
This is really the only way to get the lead arm and shoulder around the body in synchronization with the targetward movement of the weight and the motion of the lead hip and while maintaining spine angle which is what you are trying to do. If you don't keep the weight back and somewhat low in the early transition , some standing up is almost inevitable. The back is arched at the top of the swing (if it's proper) and then loses that arch on the way down while the hips are moving toward the target so there has to be some kind of motion to help keep the abdomen in proper relation (angle) with the lead hip into pre-impact before the back starts to arch again into the follow through and that's what the squat/sitback/crunch accomplishes so that the shaft stays in good relationship with the spine.
You don't have to try to keep the arms from coming down steeply in order to get the club to come down at a good angle as long as you keep your hips back and your spine angle stays reasonably close to perpendicular to the address shaft plane by about lead arm parallel to the ground (and hips parallel to the target line) on the way down. If you can do that, the shaft will flatten out as you rotate through impact as long as you don't stand up too much. A baseball kind of step drill can help with this kind of motion where you bring the lead foot to the trail one on the way back and then step into the downswing through impact. I don't know if I answered your question or not but just let me know if you have any questions. Cheers.
So, a strong move of weight toward the lead side, like what happens with single plane swing, would help to encourage this most likely?
@@GolfTestDummy Yes, I would say so but the important thing is keeping the hips, abdomen, and thighs in the right relationship. That is why a step drill and the sit down concept both are helpful because they both encourage in integrated movement of the core area of the body. Cheers.
@@GolfTestDummy Another thing that could be helpful is try to get the club shaft perpendicular to the spine at about lead arm parallel to the ground (as I've already described) and try to hit the top outside of the ball coming down because you have been dropping the club early to the inside in order to try to be able to come to the ball from the inside but the shaft needs to move more out and around you as you retain spine angle coming in to impact. Doing this could be helpful in forcing you to avoid standing up and to retain your spine angle in order to be able to catch the ball squarely. Otherwise if you swing more out and around and stand up and lose spine angle, you would probably hit a severe heel shot; the equivalent of a shank or close to it with an iron. Cheers.
Bicep curl and uncurl/(yoyo) swing.
Some tough comments this morning. I guess a couple of these guys burned their waffles. Keep grinding away . It's always darkest before the dawn !
Haha, thanks, Kevin! Glad to have the support.
Making a small swing change is tough and arduous and major a drastic swing change is exponentially harder to do. It takes a lot of repetitions, in fact, 1,000s, for your brain to change the muscle reactions in movements. Our brains are always looking for the familiar and simplest moves to do. Reverting back to familiar moves is normal for the brain that’s why it takes so many repetitions to change a move. You’ll get it, it just takes a lot of repetitions at a very slow pace and gradually speeding it up as the weeks and months go by. It’s similar to learning how to drive a car, especially a stick shift. When we started learning how to drive, you started off in a parking lot or abandoned road going very slowly, then you slowly graduated to the street then finally to the expressway, and finally going at the speed limit and beyond. Now your driving is second nature and you do t really think about it, you just get in the car and go. This will happen with your new swing also. I’m living proof that it will change for the better. Keep at it. Cheers.
Absolutely. A very difficult, frustrating process, and before anyone decides to go down that road, ask yourself how long you're willing to deal with disappointment.
@@GolfTestDummy absolutely, because the frustration is very long. But if you really want to get better, it’s the only way to do it. There are no quick fixes or “magic moves” or “secrets” that other YT instructors will have you believe. I’m remember Tiger saying that Butch Harmon had him doing moves that were foreign to him hundreds or even thousands of times for him to get it in the right sequence and become second nature. We are no different with learning new moves. It’s a long journey but we’ll worth it. This is what separates the low handicapper from the mid to high handicapper. Cheers
Right elbow points directly towards the dtl. camera at the top and not behind you. There is always pickleball or bingo.
Second person to suggest pickleball today. Man.
You’re a rich man! Leasons! Likely more than o e!
I'm confused here - who's the instructor? 🤣🤣
i would try a new coach
Hey Sir another good Video. Thanks for Sharing. I was wondering how long are the lessons when you go in? Trying to see if I can stand hitting that much. I appreciate it. Also I haven't caught your Name. I don't think you are a Dummy 😂
Haha, it's Chad. And typically, lessons are in 30 minute blocks, but with filming and setting up, they have put me down for an hour.
Okay cool. Thanks
Just shows hiw tough this game is. I have had only a swing evaluation and 1 lesson so far(15 total) but i already feel i am going the right way. Can't waut to see my swing after 15 lessons.
Best of luck to you!
You too, it will all come together eventually.
What happened to your aha moment from a couple weeks ago, the feel isn’t real is tough to deal with, we know you’ll get it right.
We were working on plane in this lesson. It's one I've struggled with so bad for years.
Dude what happened with the stack and tilt thought it was working??
Haha, yep, that's the channel. Reviews for a period, then review something else. I'll likely circle back to SNT and some others at some point.
Ok so your opinion so far witch is the best ?
Whew. I get that question often. It's tough, because I've been able to find success with most. But its between single plane and stack and tilt.
This series started with a structured measured swing change...then the last lesson and this one seem to have got a bit random...trying different things....which i guess proves the fact no two people swing the same
Personally i prefer a method where you stand a certain way and try to swing a certain way ..even if you don't actually get it dead right...at least when it goes wrong you don't try something different you stick with a plan....rinse and repeat
I hope these lessons help ....but you were hitting it pretty good before😂😂
There's truth in that, but then again, this whole channel is an experiment, haha. Plus, if I just went through and did the same thing each week, I'd have a ton of people telling me how boring it is. UA-cam is almost as tough as golf.
Damn these people are mean... Keep having fun, doesn't the body rotate, then arms go up and down, not mix the 2 looks like that's why you have so much depth (fake depth).
There are a few critical comments, but they're always overwhelmed by a large amount of positive ones. Comes with the territory, haha.
Hank Haney says if Ya don’t hit it better immediately, what you’re doing or the person helping is wrong for you.
You know, I've heard him say that, and I've also heard coaches say the opposite. It makes me wonder.... who's right?
Mike Adams and Terry Rowles say same thing as Hank.
Mike Adams and Terry Rowles say same thing as Hank. Do I know who’s right? No. But i would put my $ on those 3 world class teachers.
Mike Adams and Terry Rowles say same thing as Hank. Do I know who’s right? No. But i would put my $ on those 3 world class teachers.
Mike Adams and Terry Rowles say same thing as Hank. Do I know who’s right? No. But i would put my $ on those 3 world class teachers.
Dude. Gotta be honest with you. It's time to give up. It's just not happening. Maybe pickleball? Added bonus is that there aren't as many UA-cam pickleball channels as golf, so maybe that's the future growth of your channel.
Haha, or disc golf. Or bird watching.
Chad, I’m worrying for your sanity now. If you carry this on much longer it could screw your game up forever. This is too intense I’m having to watch this from behind the settee buddy! 🫣
Hahaha! I'm not sure my sanity has ever existed, my friend. Gotta possess it before you can lose it.
Seems you go back and forth between the arms swing the body to the body rotation swings the arms. Both work for certain people, but I really don't think you can blend them. To make real change...if that is what you want...you probably have to figure out which one you are and stick with those instructors, they are easy to identify. Or, just go back and forth and you will have endless struggle content for You Tube.
Haha, well, I do have to try and make the videos somewhat intriguing, so you're right. Of course, I might get 10 times the views if I would just run into brick walls face first each week.