Are you doing an LTA south video? Not familiar if you even watch the region lol edit: ok Im glad you're doing it! big fan of these videos, seeing some past ones with hindsight is fun, cheers from Brazil!
Nice video dude.Please make LTA south video too . I think ceos will need a 1 or 2 splits for envolved in macro but he is a good talent the Duo with Bvoy is hype. Dignitas and Disguised is for me the two most week rosters .if Shopyfy or Lyon get these two teams they can become top 4 and go to playoffs. The first split Lucky will be in game too .
I will say that this season is showing that early game is super important for snowballing. I think Team Liquid should take advantage of that compared to FlyQuest
this is my favourite list by far and I agree with it basically entirely. hot take though, I would switch dig and 100t, and I'm about to talk about intangibles for a moment but I think they're reasonable. 100t is a super young team and I really like GoldenGlue so I do hope he proves me wrong but I think the guest spot announcement could really shake this team and I don't know if GG has what it takes to commandeer this ship so to speak. one pick up I don't remember you mentioning for dig is Rigby which is worth mentioning. and maybe I'm glazing but I think theres something external to the game that Tomo is bringing to a team, his rise wasn't exactly meteoric but he consistently climbed from 10 to7 to 5 to qualifying for worlds across 2 years on bottom of the pack teams. lets not forget he came in with 2 matches left on a 100t that didn't look like they would even make play offs-to a very decisive 3-1 against an admittedly shaken and rattled cloud 9. I totally get why you ordered it the way you did though. Your insistence on Ceos has me really pumped for SR because I've wanted to see fudge pala contractz for years and the fact that its all coming together under Reven, they could be a super exciting team if it works.
Except for very specific instances, I try not to think about coaches too much since it's hard to know how it all works behind the scenes. I've never really seen footage of Rigby coaching nor have I seen many interviews or discussions with him, so I just didn't really factor it in
Nice vid. I would definitely challenge your evaluation of C9 botlane. Zven and Vulcan as a duo used to be extremely good and successful. Main problem of C9 last year was clearly teamplay, ingame direction and strategy. That is exactly what Zven provides while already being proven to work well with Vulcan and Blaber. Second point to make is that Palafox (Shopify) has been quite bad for at least a year now, so I would be very afraid of his skill level. Otherwise you made a lot of good points and I'll be really curious to see if Ceos and Bvoy are actually smashing like you predict :)
7:19 C9: A team that could never hold up to Flyquest or Team Liquid Also C9: The only other team to push TL to 3 games in regular season summer not named Flyquest, and 2-0'd Flyquest Let's not be revisionist and act like summer C9 wasn't just a choke job of epic proportions in the transition between regular season and playoffs. They were legit for basically the entire summer split until the shift into playoffs where the team just imploded and couldn't put the pieces back together. To give Shopify's core (the NRG mid-jungle + the Brazil special of Bvoy+Ceos) the benefit of the doubt after their 2023 and summer in particular and 100 Thieves the nod when the org is basically one foot out the door (and just let go of the player who actually turned the team around from bottom-feeder to make playoffs in the first place in Tomo) is kinda wild tbh. Which is an issue I have with your analysis overall: looking at just the 1:1 player changes rather than fit and style cohesion.
C9 has underperformed expectations 3 splits in a row. They were expected to win in 2023 summer and 2024 spring, and they were expected to get 3rd and qualify for worlds in 2024 summer. They made two roster moves this upcoming split and both are downgrades. At what point do we stop giving them benefit of the doubt? Also to your point on NRG, I'm not giving Palafox and Contractz a pass. I get that they also underperformed recently. However, my analysis on their roster is pretty consistent, considering I've always been an advocate for Fudge and Ceos for multiple years now
@PsychopathicPoroClips I'll give you 2 splits in a row because they literally made finals in 2023 summer and only lost that one bo5...to that NRG miracle run *who they already beat 3-0 earlier in bracket* . And even then, that was a year that involved the EMENES experiment and expectations weren't nearly as high as they were in 2024 where, no argument, they underperformed. Though I would also say that 2024 was a continuation of what we saw in summer 2023: a team is middling in regular season, only to turn it on for the big run to a title in playoffs, only to get usurped the next split: - NRG was a total coinflip in 2023 summer, went on a run to a title and a quarterfinal placement, big expectations for next split, fail pretty utterly to meet them. - TL were middle of the pack, living the 4th meme in spring 2024, only to shift into gear, make the run to finals, win it all, and perform well at MSI. Big expectations for summer, actually were the big dogs for most of the split, only to fall short at the finish line, losing in finals to a team they previously beat in bracket and not having the best showing at worlds...gee, sure sounds almost exactly like summer 2023, doesn't it? Scriptwriter isn't even being subtle at this point. - and now Flyquest, losing to both top teams in regular season summer and even dropping a bunch of games to lesser opponents, suddenly hit their gear in playoffs, make a run, push TL to 5 before outclassing them completely in finals en route to a quarterfinal finish at worlds...again, just like 2023 summer. Shit happens, basically, both good and bad. Turns out for C9, it wasn't nearly so simple as slotting in Jojo and becoming a dynasty team. Just like it wasn't such an upgrade for NRG to go from Ignar to Huhi off the back of being the most hyped NA squad from 2023...whether it was all about that swap or other things, it's hard to say, just like with C9. But it's been more than just C9 with expectations the past year, and they were also not the only ones to fall short. And it's more the right fit of players at the right time than anything.
i agree with the ranking of the list and had the same ranking BUT i super disagree with the Srtty take. we dont need a super high mechanical player to contest the east, if we did then flyquest wouldve just promoted srtty. its ALWAYS easier to win vs the east by learning how to win from playing behind and that something super high level map players do like Bwipo have shown and flyquest just showed
@@PsychopathicPoroClips if thats your opinion then thats fair. however i think theres lots of evidence to show the exact opposite EX: coach reven of sr saying they that they were teaching zeyzal to be the macro caller on the team and it never worked out. EX: bwipo saying the same thing + how if needed, he can just spam soloq and get coached by the rank1 of a champ. plus the turn around time of learning laning phase through vods vs learning teamfighting phase through vods is night and day
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This is the definition of "I have biases and thats all that matters
Chat is this a fr or an on god moment
Are you doing an LTA south video? Not familiar if you even watch the region lol
edit: ok Im glad you're doing it! big fan of these videos, seeing some past ones with hindsight is fun, cheers from Brazil!
I'm doing it, can't promise it'll be 100% accurate though haha
I would say I'm actively familiar with roughly 2/3rds of the players
Nice video dude.Please make LTA south video too . I think ceos will need a 1 or 2 splits for envolved in macro but he is a good talent the Duo with Bvoy is hype. Dignitas and Disguised is for me the two most week rosters .if Shopyfy or Lyon get these two teams they can become top 4 and go to playoffs. The first split Lucky will be in game too .
I will say that this season is showing that early game is super important for snowballing. I think Team Liquid should take advantage of that compared to FlyQuest
BORA CEOS!!!!!!!
this is my favourite list by far and I agree with it basically entirely. hot take though, I would switch dig and 100t, and I'm about to talk about intangibles for a moment but I think they're reasonable. 100t is a super young team and I really like GoldenGlue so I do hope he proves me wrong but I think the guest spot announcement could really shake this team and I don't know if GG has what it takes to commandeer this ship so to speak. one pick up I don't remember you mentioning for dig is Rigby which is worth mentioning. and maybe I'm glazing but I think theres something external to the game that Tomo is bringing to a team, his rise wasn't exactly meteoric but he consistently climbed from 10 to7 to 5 to qualifying for worlds across 2 years on bottom of the pack teams. lets not forget he came in with 2 matches left on a 100t that didn't look like they would even make play offs-to a very decisive 3-1 against an admittedly shaken and rattled cloud 9.
I totally get why you ordered it the way you did though.
Your insistence on Ceos has me really pumped for SR because I've wanted to see fudge pala contractz for years and the fact that its all coming together under Reven, they could be a super exciting team if it works.
Except for very specific instances, I try not to think about coaches too much since it's hard to know how it all works behind the scenes. I've never really seen footage of Rigby coaching nor have I seen many interviews or discussions with him, so I just didn't really factor it in
LET'S GOOO 100T sweep
Also FLY is still cool I guess
i agree with pretty much the whole list (although maybe swap c9 and dignitas bc i'm a c9 hater lol)
also yeah o7 insanity
C9 in 6th is kinda crazy, I dare you to post that in the C9 subreddit
Nice vid.
I would definitely challenge your evaluation of C9 botlane. Zven and Vulcan as a duo used to be extremely good and successful. Main problem of C9 last year was clearly teamplay, ingame direction and strategy. That is exactly what Zven provides while already being proven to work well with Vulcan and Blaber.
Second point to make is that Palafox (Shopify) has been quite bad for at least a year now, so I would be very afraid of his skill level.
Otherwise you made a lot of good points and I'll be really curious to see if Ceos and Bvoy are actually smashing like you predict :)
"CEOS is probably the best support at LTA NORTH" WOW😳
Could be a complete miss but I've been saying it for years and I'm not gonna flake until proven otherwise
I would like to see a tierlist of LTA SOUTH if possible
Great work as always! Planning on doing an LCP video? Would love to hear your thoughts!
Yep, but they're one of the slower regions to announce changes so it'll probably be the last one
7:19
C9: A team that could never hold up to Flyquest or Team Liquid
Also C9: The only other team to push TL to 3 games in regular season summer not named Flyquest, and 2-0'd Flyquest
Let's not be revisionist and act like summer C9 wasn't just a choke job of epic proportions in the transition between regular season and playoffs. They were legit for basically the entire summer split until the shift into playoffs where the team just imploded and couldn't put the pieces back together.
To give Shopify's core (the NRG mid-jungle + the Brazil special of Bvoy+Ceos) the benefit of the doubt after their 2023 and summer in particular and 100 Thieves the nod when the org is basically one foot out the door (and just let go of the player who actually turned the team around from bottom-feeder to make playoffs in the first place in Tomo) is kinda wild tbh. Which is an issue I have with your analysis overall: looking at just the 1:1 player changes rather than fit and style cohesion.
C9 has underperformed expectations 3 splits in a row. They were expected to win in 2023 summer and 2024 spring, and they were expected to get 3rd and qualify for worlds in 2024 summer. They made two roster moves this upcoming split and both are downgrades. At what point do we stop giving them benefit of the doubt?
Also to your point on NRG, I'm not giving Palafox and Contractz a pass. I get that they also underperformed recently. However, my analysis on their roster is pretty consistent, considering I've always been an advocate for Fudge and Ceos for multiple years now
@PsychopathicPoroClips I'll give you 2 splits in a row because they literally made finals in 2023 summer and only lost that one bo5...to that NRG miracle run *who they already beat 3-0 earlier in bracket* . And even then, that was a year that involved the EMENES experiment and expectations weren't nearly as high as they were in 2024 where, no argument, they underperformed.
Though I would also say that 2024 was a continuation of what we saw in summer 2023: a team is middling in regular season, only to turn it on for the big run to a title in playoffs, only to get usurped the next split:
- NRG was a total coinflip in 2023 summer, went on a run to a title and a quarterfinal placement, big expectations for next split, fail pretty utterly to meet them.
- TL were middle of the pack, living the 4th meme in spring 2024, only to shift into gear, make the run to finals, win it all, and perform well at MSI. Big expectations for summer, actually were the big dogs for most of the split, only to fall short at the finish line, losing in finals to a team they previously beat in bracket and not having the best showing at worlds...gee, sure sounds almost exactly like summer 2023, doesn't it? Scriptwriter isn't even being subtle at this point.
- and now Flyquest, losing to both top teams in regular season summer and even dropping a bunch of games to lesser opponents, suddenly hit their gear in playoffs, make a run, push TL to 5 before outclassing them completely in finals en route to a quarterfinal finish at worlds...again, just like 2023 summer.
Shit happens, basically, both good and bad. Turns out for C9, it wasn't nearly so simple as slotting in Jojo and becoming a dynasty team. Just like it wasn't such an upgrade for NRG to go from Ignar to Huhi off the back of being the most hyped NA squad from 2023...whether it was all about that swap or other things, it's hard to say, just like with C9. But it's been more than just C9 with expectations the past year, and they were also not the only ones to fall short. And it's more the right fit of players at the right time than anything.
What the hell was the point of 100T getting FBI if they are gone after this season. Such a waste of a decent team.
i agree with the ranking of the list and had the same ranking BUT i super disagree with the Srtty take. we dont need a super high mechanical player to contest the east, if we did then flyquest wouldve just promoted srtty. its ALWAYS easier to win vs the east by learning how to win from playing behind and that something super high level map players do like Bwipo have shown and flyquest just showed
You can teach macro more easily than you can teach mechanics, it's always preferred to start with a mechanics base and go from there
@@PsychopathicPoroClips if thats your opinion then thats fair. however i think theres lots of evidence to show the exact opposite EX: coach reven of sr saying they that they were teaching zeyzal to be the macro caller on the team and it never worked out. EX: bwipo saying the same thing + how if needed, he can just spam soloq and get coached by the rank1 of a champ. plus the turn around time of learning laning phase through vods vs learning teamfighting phase through vods is night and day
LYON top 4 easy. shopify and 100 will be battling against us for that spot
huffing the cope
I agree but only if Lyon get Lucky like defet Disguised and Dignitas in two md3 matches for go to playoffs