I met a guy who survived a plane crash in the 1990's. I asked him how he felt as it was going down. He said it felt like one of those rides where you stick to the wall and the bottom of the ride falls out from under you. He said the impact was like hitting a brick wall, shit flying everywhere, luggage, bodies from from the seats, some seats broke from the plane with people still strapped to them. And then there was a dead silence. He said he shit his pants and by the grace of God, he managed to crawl out of the broken fusesolge with a broken leg and right arm. BTW, the airline paid him $3.5 million settle.
Man that had to been terrifying as a passenger for those last few seconds, hearing the engines roar and the plane pitch up at some crazy angle as you are going in to land.
They said the same thing on Air Florida 90... The FO kept saying this doesn't look right, next thing on the CVR "Larry we're going down" the Captain just said "I KNOW"
When I watch these I always try to pinpoint the moment when the process of a crash begins. Sometimes it's near the end of the video, most times it's in the middle. This one was very early on -- when takeoff got delayed.
In several videos, the pilot(s) seem to hate to go back to step one and try again. When lost, you go back to a known point and follow the charts. When an approach is too high/low/fast, you go around and try again. You DON'T improvise and hope it turns out OK. 'Cause in a plane, if it doesn't, you're dead. And you take lots of people with you.
They lost situational awareness by dicking around instead of getting to a safe altitude and starting over. Don't anyone make excuses here. He's the PIC, the Captain, and his 1st priority is to ensure the safety of the passengers, his crew and the aircraft.
Agree. When the guy said "We f'ed up here, didn't we?" the proper logical thing is to go to 23,000 or whatever is higher than the highest peak in that area, have a slug of black coffee, set things right, and heck, OK, you're late on arrival. Maybe the guy loses his job for errors, but that's better than what happened.
@@dx1450 ---- Many years ago a bunch of us college kids had our flight delayed on departure in NYC in winter ... for an hour ... for two hours more ... the bar closed ... three hours more ... today, I'm still alive!
Language barrier, lack of terrain awareness, poor communication between pilot and first officer, sudden high work load and confusion but ultimately get-there-itis.
the saddest part? The one person that initially survived but died later was the son of one of the survivors. Said survivor also lost his wife in the crash.
And I flew that flight the week b4 the accident out of Miami too Cali and I still fly AA too Cali almost every month for business and sometimes avianca airlines!!
The problem was they never realized they were flying over mountainous terrain! If they have checked this fast they would discontinue the approach and climb. They were confused, disoriented and thought they could still solve the problem by changing the course to the right but they were still descending too fast and this combination decided their faith.....
Ya think? I'm not even a pilot but seems like common sense to abandon the approach when you're lost in mountainous terrain. A good engineering revision came out of this accident though. Speed brakes have been redesigned so whenever TOGA power is applied, the speed brakes automatically retract.
As a pilot if you're unsure of your location you should find the highest mountain and keep your altitude at least five or ten thousand over that until you figure out what the f*** you're doing, it's all on the charts you know generally where you're at at least within a couple hundred miles right so stay higher than the highest mountain in that area if you don't have radar to see it.
Grrrr! Another chain of events leading to catastrophe. I’m no pilot, but when there’s such confusion in the cockpit over waypoints, or things not adding up, would a more prudent Captain had said “Eff this!” (Since they apparently talk that way.) “Pull up, pull out, we’re starting all over!” And maybe, just maybe, saved everyone’s life. Wonder how the dog did after all that.
This is what killed me here. Knowing where they where they were flying into, the moment they got turned around the first thing they should've did is climbed out of there, got their bearings and tried again. In the moment, they failed to maintain situational awareness and you can see them losing their composure. Unnecessary loss of life. Important to always follow SOPs.
I used to be a stewardess back a few decades ago and i know there are NO GUARANTEES. Pilots are human and humans are not perfect and can make mistakes. Computers are manufactured and programed by humans and can give incorrect and conflicting data. And aircraft is designed by humans and some are flawed when they come off the assembly line. And let us not forget all the crashes caused by shoddy and lackadaisical maintenance procedures. So if you fly you are risking your life. I prefer to drive so i have at least some control. Obviously i am limited in travel destinations!! i do fly but only if i have no other choice
Why would American or any other airline worth its wings fly into an airport known to not have a functioning ground radar??? Stupid to be going there to begin with IMO.
Not only American but other Airlines flew to Cali without ground radar. The captain of American 965 had flown several times before to Cali without and trouble. It was not the fact that the radar was missing what caused this accident. There was an error chain with many links and unfortunately the crew failed to accomplish all the tasks to prepare and execute a new approach to renewal 19 which was not the normal way to land in Cali. Many others planes flew to Cali without radar an didn’t crash
Alot of Airports in other countries are set up the same if not worse, all the major Airlines fly those routes. It was crew error, loss of situational awareness,. They were doomed either way, soon as they would have typed in the right coordinates in the FMC, the plane would have turned left or right, they were in a canyon, they had several ways of dying that day
The detection systems have improved greatly from what I've read. The forgotten speed brakes were the cause of the stall when Captain attempted to climb sharply, thus the "pull up" and crash soon after what should have been a successful maneuver.
A "better" one would go off so much in normal operations that the crew would learn to ignore it. This one did its job - but you can't add meaningful power when the speedbrakes are deployed...
2:07 "Cali has no functional radar." It was "blown up by terrorist in 1992." If it hadn't been replaced in 3 years perhaps that should be some indication as to what they may be thinking about "better ground warning systems."
@@delstanley1349 I was referring to the GPWS system IN the aircraft. Data and display advances show color-coded elevation information for the surrounding area, so in a modern cockpit this accident would only happen to a sleeping or VERY inattentive crew...
Goes to show you how extremely important good and clear communication is. The communication in this situation went apeshit for sure! May the passengers and crew of AA965 RIP. It’s hard to believe that there were some survivors.
everyone makes mistakes sometimes, sometimes big sometimes small. it is so so sad when someone unintentionally makes a mistake... and then they and/or other end up dying because of it. :( :(
pilot wasn't necessarily in denial about being lost, but he was embarrassed as fuck and didn't want to tell ATC. cost him and everyone else. he could have climbed to 20+ but that would have confirmed to everyone they had gotten lost. he would have had to cali atc and be like, we got lost and we are starting over at fl20+ or whatever. PLUS they had already been delayed, so he was thinking he was avoiding getting more delayed by trying to figure out the problem while contining to fly way off course. there should be a pilot psychologist dept. a dept. that looks exclusively at the psychological component of flying, not the mental health, per se, but the psychology of piloting theory. you have a pilot that knows how to fly, but the human condition, pride etc. gets in the way. it's REAL subtle shit that gets in the way of BASIC piloting. all the pilot had to do was climb and start over. but pride got in the way. he knew he was in mountainous territory and it was dark/night. i'm not a pilot but that alone would have scared the shit out of me. you're below 10 thousand in a mountainous region flying at warp factor 10. no no honey.
They forgot the number 1 rule. One guy flies the airplane first and foremost. Whenever there is any question, always focus on flying the airplane first. Everything else can wait.
The crew didn’t listen well or know the terrain as they should have. If you are flying into such a place like that at night you need know “everything”! They were too complacent...just another day at the office...the last one at that.
The way the captain and F/O were talking came across as two incompetent, confused, fumbling fools who didn't confirm with each other what had actually been entered into the FMS. Granted, they were tired, frustrated at the delay, had no outside visibility, and were eager to land but somehow lacked the basic geographical awareness that they, having entered Columbian airspace, were flying in mountainous terrain.
Though it does boil down to pilot error, there was another factor, which was that the order of the waypoints in Colombia were ordered by the biggest city and not the nearest one, which the captain was unaware of. Many people would do the same thing he did operating on that assumption. However, yes, he should have made sure, and one pilot also should have been monitoring the instrument so they could detect the mistake sooner. Also, airports without functioning radar shouldn't be open, especially in an area like Cali and at night.
This in the dark without radar landing is the equivalent of me having a house in a thicket in the middle of nowhere, turning out all of the lights, and then telling you to pull up in the driveway. But this disaster (like so many others before and after) leaves the question: They can't do this dangerous flight during the day because....why?
Many planes fly in the dark and sometimes without ground radar. The Boieng 757 was a very sofisticated plane but as always it is: the human makes the mistakes. In hurry and rush nobody can’t prepare and do things right and in this flight this was the first time this captain would land in Cali on RW 19. All the other times he flew there he landed on RW 01. He should take more time to prepare such approach or just don’t accept that and fly as always.....
Neither of these pilots seemed to be paying attention to the situation and made a lot of gross errors in judgement. Their failure cost a lot of people their lives.
Thanks for a great vid, Allec. Rule 1 in flying: fly. Don't play with your auto or your waypoints or the like when you don't know where you are- not first, anyhow. Keep the plane in the air and safe. Then you can mess around with the other stuff...
@@Paellain omg what how you say that the survivors lost their families on of them was a little girl. I think who is the guy that only thinks about an idiotic dog and ugly
What are you talking about yes maybe it was fault of the pilots but respect they had a life. I think that an stupid dog don't deserves to survive that horrible crash@@farq2688
This one really bugs the shit out of me. Two highly-experienced guys flying what amounts to a brand new, fully-functioning airplane, mountains everywhere, they get lost. Getting lost is OK, but for fuck's sake. Go to your minimum safe altitude and figure it out. It's OK.
I’ve done this exact same mistake in my car with GPS by entering the right city in the wrong state and drove 200 miles out of my way. I’m glad I did that on the ground ;)
1. Find out about incident. 2 Comb public records to get flight plan, voice recordings, pictures, video, etc. of doomed or crippled aircraft. 3. Program The flight plan into some sort of flight simulation software. 4. Fly the route of the aircraft and tape the whole thing, or just parts, but if you were starting out I would say screen capture the whole flight and tinker around with the view. Make a timeline and affix each piece of media and other information to it. Edit for HOURS on end. Fly the route again because you screwed up the view during a crucial spot. Edit for HOURS more. I would hope there is someone else who can objectively critique your work as well. Listen to that person. Change the crap out of it and EDIT, this time for a couple of days. The voila. You have a video. I forgot the talent. This guy has the talent.
I pay tribute to each and every flight passenger killed in flight and the brave pilots who laid their life to make the airlines industry as safe as it is now. Each life contributed to make our airlines safer than ever.
@@tommypetraglia4688 Lol! I was thinking the same thing. I think he probably went outside on a cold winters night and did an army salute. Either that or he has set up a charity in their honour...
Call me neurotic or whatever, but reports like these only serves to solidify my decision to never board an aircraft of any size. if I can't get to my destination by boat, train, or automobile, I will gladly pass.
Usuing basic stats for the past 10 years, you are 66 times more likely to die in an auto crash over the same distance-its not as spectacular and doesn't get reported much but you are just as dead..
yeah seems like a lot of confusion. speed brakes and trying to get lift coming up against a mountain just doesnt work out. sad for the loss of passengers.
B757 is one of my most favorite planes to fly on and I enjoyed working on them. Extremely aerodynamic, excellent computer systems and pilots loved them. I always felt safe on them. But that all gets erased when the crew flying this gracious bird are a bunch of knuckleheads that particular day. Sad but true. RIP FOR THE CREW AND THE PASSENGERS.
No they weren't knuckle heads,just a sign of the times where computers (perfectly good when adhering to 'absolutes') I would never ever trust the computerisation, which,after all were taken aboard aircraft to save money, .e,g two man crew rather than four, Yeah I know its old hat but look at the flight disasters over the past twenty years. Too much faith in a damned device which isn;'t able to re-evaluate and say,hey, you fed me incorrect data. Computers are on/off,in,out little real time evaluation as was the case in the old days, when aircrew had to evaluate every major decision.
Why was there not enough time for the aircraft to climb to a safe altitude after the ground proximity warning sounded? This experienced deck crew responded immediately by climbing and adding power to prevent a stall. I noticed in just about in every incident the ground proximity warning gave just enough time for the deck crew to realize they did not monitor altitude and a short time to utter a prayer before colliding with the ground. Is there an inherent mental block within aviation community in not recognizing the warnings are not early enough for aircrews and aircraft systems to recover and clear terrain? Lame. What good is technology then?
@@garrettodonnell4177 thanks. So sad. I did notice a different sensor has been required to give more warning notice; if this new sensor was installed, even with speed breaks applied the aircraft would still be able to avoid an impact with the ground, or trees, etc. Thanks. Sad though.
Been watching too many of these... I'm not planning on flying again... way too expensive, planes, airports that are poorly maintained. Pilots that have no communication skills or have no training on how to operate equipment. Even automated aircraft that are poorly designed... yikes!
Its so much different and far safer today - too bad that the mistakes are what lead to improvements - would be nice to figure it out before yo hit a mountain
The thing is that theres thousands of flights happening every single day and theres one, maximum two major crashes every year Id say, if theres any at all. Flying has gotten much safer since the 1990s, which is when most of the crashes AJI shows on here occured...
Flying in an airplane is like playing Russian Roulette, you never know which aircraft is going to be the one to crash. Although I agree with you that flying is much safer these days, it's a matter of most of us are "along for the ride" trapped in with several hundred people sick or anxious, flight attendants who are sometimes rude. Overbooked flights with the result of being literally dragged off the airplane. Overall though if flying is for you go ahead and enjoy the friendly skys!
One interesting accident is the SAS flight from Linate (Milano, Italy) late 2001. I don't recall the flight no right now, but that whole story is a lesson in how an airport(!) might kill you.
Wrong explanation, they put Romeo (which is Bogota) and not Rozo in the auto pilot. So the plane turn towards the mountain, pilot error, not controller or lemguage barrier.
I said something to the effect of them wanting to select rozo, but they accidentally selected a different waypoint because they weren't paying attention.
Gaurav Kumar Meena It’s one of the Non Directional Beacons at Cali airport. Flights can pick the radio signals from the airport beacons and thereby pilots can see where the runway.In Cockpit ,A compass with an arrow usually points towards the NDB, to let pilots know the runway. Name of one of the NDB at Cali is Rozo 1.
The Rozo One Approach (now it’s called Palma) was an approach beginning at the VOR Tulua first, then flying to the ROZO Ndb and then to the RW 19. It was a VOR Dme approach. This means you have to flight over all these points in order to avoid mountains and land safely. Because the captain programmed his computer to fly Direct to Cali all points between them and Cali VOR were erased and after the ATC offered them to land at RW 19 this became a problem because ATC needed to know their position by reporting passing over these points. After that the big error to punch the R in the computer looking for ROZO when it was never in the list made things worse.....
I'm not a pilot and make no claim to (any) aviation expertise, but I would think that all airliners should be equipped with high end night vision so that the pilots could at least see terrain even on the darkest nights. This (obviously) wouldn't work in heavy fog or clouds, but should help in ,most circumstances. If you could see a mountain or other obstruction, you could navigate around it.
They all care about being behind schedule.. I can't figure out what difference that makes as long as you are not burning fuel in the interim. And if you cannot follow a flight plan you should not be operating airplanes and apparently without auto pilot cannot.
For a considerable number of years now,Aircrew merely take receipt of a pre printed Flight plan along with coincidental data, e.g weather, Beacons, Nav Warnings, the aircrews do NOT these days, discuss the the route in Flight planning as was the case when I was young, NOR are Notams specifically included in much data offered the crews,all this is due to that almighty GOD, Money costs. Everything relative toward flying from a to B is automated these days, which is all very well when EVERYTHING is 100% correct. Truth is, every aspect of flying from A to B is not always correct in ALL Aspects.
Why not turn instead of climb ? A few years ago EVA air 777-300 departed LAX and had some confusion with ATC in San Diego they almost went into the Alta Dena Mountains
I wonder in which parts of the plane (seats) the survivors were sitting. I am very curious about it taking into consideration the type of crash (much more severe than just simple hard crash landing). I tried to look it up on google but I couldn't find that information. Anyone knows?
From what Ive read in the comments, the one poor person who initially survived and then died on their way to hospital was the child of another survivor, who really made it; that makes it even more interesting, as the chance of two people who most likely sat next to each other surviving while just 3 more people survive in total have to be close to non existent
If that flight computer had only brought up Rozo instead of Romeo as the nearest waypoint, they would have been fine. And then to find out they could have cleared the mountain if the speed brakes had been retracted....damn. Just makes this one of the worst crashes in my opinion.
easy to be "rational" behind the keyboard - I am not justifying their mistakes (since some of them are really basic flying rules) but one has to also take the circumstances into the consideration like fatigue, getting overconfident with having so many hours on your self and not to forget the pressure having so many souls on board. You basically can not compare it to Cessna flying at all
Anyone know which timestamp is used to determine delay - pushback from the gate or actual takeoff? If it's takeoff then almost every flight I've taken would qualify as delayed but that would make for some ugly on-time stats
That "Terrain, terrain; pull up!" warning in the middle of the night has to be the most sickening thing you can ever hear!
Old pull up alarm is from JAL 123
Jal 123. That is so upsetting to watch
@@cy1041 Exactly, respect to the pilots who tried their best :(
It’s incredible how severe the impact was and how still 4 people and a dog survived.
I met a guy who survived a plane crash in the 1990's. I asked him how he felt as it was going down. He said it felt like one of those rides where you stick to the wall and the bottom of the ride falls out from under you. He said the impact was like hitting a brick wall, shit flying everywhere, luggage, bodies from from the seats, some seats broke from the plane with people still strapped to them. And then there was a dead silence. He said he shit his pants and by the grace of God, he managed to crawl out of the broken fusesolge with a broken leg and right arm. BTW, the airline paid him $3.5 million settle.
what accident was he in?
3.5 million?? that sounds like the airline almost went defunct
10:23 The dog was adopted by Red Cross members and named Milagro, then he was adopted by an American Airlines employee and brought to the USA.
Excellent. Most righteous. Thank you, Tony... :)
that was my Grandpa's dog
Yay! A silver lining in this most dreadful cloud! Good to hear!
Just so you know. Milagro is "miracle" in,spanish
@@trollcop4504 I know :)
Man that had to been terrifying as a passenger for those last few seconds, hearing the engines roar and the plane pitch up at some crazy angle as you are going in to land.
"Just doesn't look right on mine. I don't know why." Famous last words....
Remember Air Florida that crashed into the Potomac said same thing. It doesn't look right, had time to abort
American Airlines crash it because the pilot didn’t be careful cannot see the dangerous place it may be accidental pilot don’t know anything
They said the same thing on Air Florida 90... The FO kept saying this doesn't look right, next thing on the CVR "Larry we're going down" the Captain just said "I KNOW"
The number of flight hours means nothing if you make stupid decisions in critical moments and lose situational awareness. Humans factors man.
The only flight hour which matters is the next one.
late 1994 and 1995 and also fall 1999 seemed to have a LOT of air accidents! Those are the years that a handful of Allec's videos have occurred in
When I watch these I always try to pinpoint the moment when the process of a crash begins. Sometimes it's near the end of the video, most times it's in the middle. This one was very early on -- when takeoff got delayed.
In several videos, the pilot(s) seem to hate to go back to step one and try again. When lost, you go back to a known point and follow the charts. When an approach is too high/low/fast, you go around and try again. You DON'T improvise and hope it turns out OK. 'Cause in a plane, if it doesn't, you're dead. And you take lots of people with you.
You are too right - its kind of human nature to not want to go back to start over - I've done it myself but thank god not in an airplane
They lost situational awareness by dicking around instead of getting to a safe altitude and starting over. Don't anyone make excuses here. He's the PIC, the Captain, and his 1st priority is to ensure the safety of the passengers, his crew and the aircraft.
I'm going to guess they thought they were high enough to be safe.
@@lottiestanley7696 Agreed, but again, in relationship to the area terrain when disoriented they needed to be higher. Altitude is your friend, right?
Phad Trader The ground is my friend.
Boy oh boy was the captain right, when he said we ficked up
Priority #1 is to fly.
Lost, in the dark, and flying in mountainous terrain...get up on top so you can figure out your position before you CFIT.
Agree. When the guy said "We f'ed up here, didn't we?" the proper logical thing is to go to 23,000 or whatever is higher than the highest peak in that area, have a slug of black coffee, set things right, and heck, OK, you're late on arrival. Maybe the guy loses his job for errors, but that's better than what happened.
@@davesmith5656 They were already late, so being a few more minutes late wouldn't have mattered too much, I'd hope. Certainly not worse than crashing.
@@dx1450 ---- Many years ago a bunch of us college kids had our flight delayed on departure in NYC in winter ... for an hour ... for two hours more ... the bar closed ... three hours more ... today, I'm still alive!
My first instinct would be exactly that "What the hell is the MDA and get to it fast" if it weren't for the Speed Brakes they would have just made it
Language barrier, lack of terrain awareness, poor communication between pilot and first officer, sudden high work load and confusion but ultimately get-there-itis.
the saddest part?
The one person that initially survived but died later was the son of one of the survivors. Said survivor also lost his wife in the crash.
And I flew that flight the week b4 the accident out of Miami too Cali and I still fly AA too Cali almost every month for business and sometimes avianca airlines!!
Damn bro. Glad ur ok parce
Incredible that some people actually survived .
and a dog
When they realized they were lost, shouldn't they immediately climb up to a safe altitude, since they were flying in an mountainous area?
Exactly my thoughts...Aviate is not the first step in any kind of mishap for no reason...
No that would not be the right thing to do as that would not qualify it to be on this channel
The problem was they never realized they were flying over mountainous terrain! If they have checked this fast they would discontinue the approach and climb. They were confused, disoriented and thought they could still solve the problem by changing the course to the right but they were still descending too fast and this combination decided their faith.....
depends on how much fuel they have left.
Ya think? I'm not even a pilot but seems like common sense to abandon the approach when you're lost in mountainous terrain. A good engineering revision came out of this accident though. Speed brakes have been redesigned so whenever TOGA power is applied, the speed brakes automatically retract.
As a pilot if you're unsure of your location you should find the highest mountain and keep your altitude at least five or ten thousand over that until you figure out what the f*** you're doing, it's all on the charts you know generally where you're at at least within a couple hundred miles right so stay higher than the highest mountain in that area if you don't have radar to see it.
Great "Enrichment" of the last scenes that shows the 757 Flying! "Thumbs Up "Allec Joshua .
That cluster was beyond desciption.
Grrrr! Another chain of events leading to catastrophe. I’m no pilot, but when there’s such confusion in the cockpit over waypoints, or things not adding up, would a more prudent Captain had said “Eff this!” (Since they apparently talk that way.) “Pull up, pull out, we’re starting all over!”
And maybe, just maybe, saved everyone’s life.
Wonder how the dog did after all that.
You may not be a pilot but that's exactly what he needed to do here. It's called 'situational awareness' and he didn't have it and they all died.
This is what killed me here. Knowing where they where they were flying into, the moment they got turned around the first thing they should've did is climbed out of there, got their bearings and tried again. In the moment, they failed to maintain situational awareness and you can see them losing their composure. Unnecessary loss of life. Important to always follow SOPs.
Couldn’t agree more! Surely in mountainous terrain also. RIP to all and hopefully lessons learnt.
I used to be a stewardess back a few decades ago and i know there are NO GUARANTEES. Pilots are human and humans are not perfect and can make mistakes. Computers are manufactured and programed by humans and can give incorrect and conflicting data. And aircraft is designed by humans and some are flawed when they come off the assembly line. And let us not forget all the crashes caused by shoddy and lackadaisical maintenance procedures. So if you fly you are risking your life. I prefer to drive so i have at least some control. Obviously i am limited in travel destinations!! i do fly but only if i have no other choice
Why would American or any other airline worth its wings fly into an airport known to not have a functioning ground radar???
Stupid to be going there to begin with IMO.
Not only American but other Airlines flew to Cali without ground radar. The captain of American 965 had flown several times before to Cali without and trouble. It was not the fact that the radar was missing what caused this accident. There was an error chain with many links and unfortunately the crew failed to accomplish all the tasks to prepare and execute a new approach to renewal 19 which was not the normal way to land in Cali. Many others planes flew to Cali without radar an didn’t crash
Alot of Airports in other countries are set up the same if not worse, all the major Airlines fly those routes. It was crew error, loss of situational awareness,. They were doomed either way, soon as they would have typed in the right coordinates in the FMC, the plane would have turned left or right, they were in a canyon, they had several ways of dying that day
I cringed when the terrain alarm began sounding because I knew they still had the speed brakes on.
sink rate.......dooit dooit pull up
Planes need a better ground warning system seems like it's always to late
The detection systems have improved greatly from what I've read. The forgotten speed brakes were the cause of the stall when Captain attempted to climb sharply, thus the "pull up" and crash soon after what should have been a successful maneuver.
A "better" one would go off so much in normal operations that the crew would learn to ignore it. This one did its job - but you can't add meaningful power when the speedbrakes are deployed...
2:07 "Cali has no functional radar." It was "blown up by terrorist in 1992." If it hadn't been replaced in 3 years perhaps that should be some indication as to what they may be thinking about "better ground warning systems."
@@delstanley1349 I was referring to the GPWS system IN the aircraft. Data and display advances show color-coded elevation information for the surrounding area, so in a modern cockpit this accident would only happen to a sleeping or VERY inattentive crew...
at the time we didn't have detailed maps of areas.
Goes to show you how extremely important good and clear communication is. The communication in this situation went apeshit for sure! May the passengers and crew of AA965 RIP. It’s hard to believe that there were some survivors.
everyone makes mistakes sometimes, sometimes big sometimes small. it is so so sad when someone unintentionally makes a mistake... and then they and/or other end up dying because of it. :( :(
pilot wasn't necessarily in denial about being lost, but he was embarrassed as fuck and didn't want to tell ATC. cost him and everyone else. he could have climbed to 20+ but that would have confirmed to everyone they had gotten lost. he would have had to cali atc and be like, we got lost and we are starting over at fl20+ or whatever. PLUS they had already been delayed, so he was thinking he was avoiding getting more delayed by trying to figure out the problem while contining to fly way off course. there should be a pilot psychologist dept. a dept. that looks exclusively at the psychological component of flying, not the mental health, per se, but the psychology of piloting theory. you have a pilot that knows how to fly, but the human condition, pride etc. gets in the way. it's REAL subtle shit that gets in the way of BASIC piloting. all the pilot had to do was climb and start over. but pride got in the way. he knew he was in mountainous territory and it was dark/night. i'm not a pilot but that alone would have scared the shit out of me. you're below 10 thousand in a mountainous region flying at warp factor 10. no no honey.
RIP
To the 159 passengers and crew of American Airlines Flight 965
My Mom and Aunt are taking a plane from Florida to Cali, Colombia in a couple weeks to visit my brother 😬
They forgot the number 1 rule. One guy flies the airplane first and foremost. Whenever there is any question, always focus on flying the airplane first. Everything else can wait.
The crew didn’t listen well or know the terrain as they should have. If you are flying into such a place like that at night you need know “everything”! They were too complacent...just another day at the office...the last one at that.
The way the captain and F/O were talking came across as two incompetent, confused, fumbling fools who didn't confirm with each other what had actually been entered into the FMS. Granted, they were tired, frustrated at the delay, had no outside visibility, and were eager to land but somehow lacked the basic geographical awareness that they, having entered Columbian airspace, were flying in mountainous terrain.
Though it does boil down to pilot error, there was another factor, which was that the order of the waypoints in Colombia were ordered by the biggest city and not the nearest one, which the captain was unaware of. Many people would do the same thing he did operating on that assumption. However, yes, he should have made sure, and one pilot also should have been monitoring the instrument so they could detect the mistake sooner. Also, airports without functioning radar shouldn't be open, especially in an area like Cali and at night.
This in the dark without radar landing is the equivalent of me having a house in a thicket in the middle of nowhere, turning out all of the lights, and then telling you to pull up in the driveway. But this disaster (like so many others before and after) leaves the question: They can't do this dangerous flight during the day because....why?
Many planes fly in the dark and sometimes without ground radar. The Boieng 757 was a very sofisticated plane but as always it is: the human makes the mistakes. In hurry and rush nobody can’t prepare and do things right and in this flight this was the first time this captain would land in Cali on RW 19. All the other times he flew there he landed on RW 01. He should take more time to prepare such approach or just don’t accept that and fly as always.....
Controlled Flight into Terrain is one of the more depressing things I can think of.
Neither of these pilots seemed to be paying attention to the situation and made a lot of gross errors in judgement. Their failure cost a lot of people their lives.
Thanks for a great vid, Allec. Rule 1 in flying: fly. Don't play with your auto or your waypoints or the like when you don't know where you are- not first, anyhow. Keep the plane in the air and safe. Then you can mess around with the other stuff...
Rule number 1 is dont crash.
Correct: Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Fly the aircraft...climb to safe altitudes!!! Then navigate.
@@byronharano2391 All those are flying
Good Doggy. I'm glad you survived this horrible crash.
At least the dog in the cargo survived and 4 other people
And 4 people
@@Paellain omg what how you say that the survivors lost their families on of them was a little girl. I think who is the guy that only thinks about an idiotic dog and ugly
Yep better than no survivors.
@@NobaAndrewxyu Your FUCKING wrong it was NOT a idiotic dog MORON
What are you talking about yes maybe it was fault of the pilots but respect they had a life. I think that an stupid dog don't deserves to survive that horrible crash@@farq2688
Just the thought of hearing that terrain alarm at the dead of night terrifies me.
Allec you’re amazing! ❤️
Alec I want you to know I enjoy your videos tremendously great job
It would be nice touch to list the flight attendants lost. They take a risk every flight and they have no control. They deserve to be remembered.
A study showed that if they had disengaged the air brakes they would not have crashed.
This one really bugs the shit out of me. Two highly-experienced guys flying what amounts to a brand new, fully-functioning airplane, mountains everywhere, they get lost. Getting lost is OK, but for fuck's sake. Go to your minimum safe altitude and figure it out. It's OK.
Damn, the whole time I'm thinking "Columbia is very mountainous" and if you get lost, you'd better get some altitude.
other sites that upload aviation content overload with a lot of shitty ads and commercials not here. quality!
Crazy to think that young FO would be nearing retirement age now.
I’ve done this exact same mistake in my car with GPS by entering the right city in the wrong state and drove 200 miles out of my way. I’m glad I did that on the ground ;)
you should do behind the scene how you make this video
1. Find out about incident. 2 Comb public records to get flight plan, voice recordings, pictures, video, etc. of doomed or crippled aircraft. 3. Program The flight plan into some sort of flight simulation software. 4. Fly the route of the aircraft and tape the whole thing, or just parts, but if you were starting out I would say screen capture the whole flight and tinker around with the view. Make a timeline and affix each piece of media and other information to it. Edit for HOURS on end. Fly the route again because you screwed up the view during a crucial spot. Edit for HOURS more. I would hope there is someone else who can objectively critique your work as well. Listen to that person. Change the crap out of it and EDIT, this time for a couple of days. The voila. You have a video. I forgot the talent. This guy has the talent.
Great work as always, Alec! Keep it up!
I pay tribute to each and every flight passenger killed in flight and the brave pilots who laid their life to make the airlines industry as safe as it is now. Each life contributed to make our airlines safer than ever.
How? How do you pay tribute?
@@tommypetraglia4688
Lol! I was thinking the same thing. I think he probably went outside on a cold winters night and did an army salute. Either that or he has set up a charity in their honour...
Damn, what a heartbreaking ending. I thought they'd somehow get it together but they got all kinds of turned around 😔
That Dog was lucky to survive. He/she may have an interesting story to tell
@Sir Tristan whats it called
Dogs love telling story's. ;)
@@davidremy4470 wtf are you talking about?
@Sir Tristan lol u wish
@@flyguyry1 good question. That certainly wasn't ment for this channel or story, my mistake, thanks for letting me know.
Totally senseless tragedy. Miscommunication and Pilot Error caused the crash.
When the crew starts routinely tossing around the F-bombs, it is a warning sign.
When the speed brakes analysis was mentioned, I lost it. Dammit man, so close! RIP to all those aboard.
Call me neurotic or whatever, but reports like these only serves to solidify my decision to never board an aircraft of any size. if I can't get to my destination by boat, train, or automobile, I will gladly pass.
Usuing basic stats for the past 10 years, you are 66 times more likely to die in an auto crash over the same distance-its not as spectacular and doesn't get reported much but you are just as dead..
yeah seems like a lot of confusion. speed brakes and trying to get lift coming up against a mountain just doesnt work out. sad for the loss of passengers.
Has Cali airport repaired its radar since this accident?
Interesting fact: Cali had a new radar system *on site* for 3 years and just never got around to having it installed.
@@mikebronicki6978 Flew into Perdida.Columbia, S.A. (sp) recently...very scary!
Half way through this I knew it was the speed brakes!
B757 is one of my most favorite planes to fly on and I enjoyed working on them. Extremely aerodynamic, excellent computer systems and pilots loved them. I always felt safe on them. But that all gets erased when the crew flying this gracious bird are a bunch of knuckleheads that particular day. Sad but true. RIP FOR THE CREW AND THE PASSENGERS.
No they weren't knuckle heads,just a sign of the times where computers (perfectly good when adhering to 'absolutes') I would never ever trust the computerisation, which,after all were taken aboard aircraft to save money, .e,g two man crew rather than four, Yeah I know its old hat but look at the flight disasters over the past twenty years. Too much faith in a damned device which isn;'t able to re-evaluate and say,hey, you fed me incorrect data. Computers are on/off,in,out little real time evaluation as was the case in the old days, when aircrew had to evaluate every major decision.
Allec upload this when my time is like 1:00AM in Malaysia
Man I would do a QMC - quick mental checklist - askkng myself - once the terrain alarm went off - 'Are ALL settings CORRECT for Max Thrust & CLIMB ?'
More often than not these crashes always seem to have number 5 in their flight number????
Why was there not enough time for the aircraft to climb to a safe altitude after the ground proximity warning sounded? This experienced deck crew responded immediately by climbing and adding power to prevent a stall. I noticed in just about in every incident the ground proximity warning gave just enough time for the deck crew to realize they did not monitor altitude and a short time to utter a prayer before colliding with the ground. Is there an inherent mental block within aviation community in not recognizing the warnings are not early enough for aircrews and aircraft systems to recover and clear terrain? Lame. What good is technology then?
There would have been enough time if they had retracted the speed brakes.
@@garrettodonnell4177 thanks. So sad. I did notice a different sensor has been required to give more warning notice; if this new sensor was installed, even with speed breaks applied the aircraft would still be able to avoid an impact with the ground, or trees, etc. Thanks. Sad though.
Outstanding and informative video. Superb!
Been watching too many of these... I'm not planning on flying again... way too expensive, planes, airports that are poorly maintained. Pilots that have no communication skills or have no training on how to operate equipment. Even automated aircraft that are poorly designed... yikes!
Its so much different and far safer today - too bad that the mistakes are what lead to improvements - would be nice to figure it out before yo hit a mountain
The thing is that theres thousands of flights happening every single day and theres one, maximum two major crashes every year Id say, if theres any at all. Flying has gotten much safer since the 1990s, which is when most of the crashes AJI shows on here occured...
Flying in an airplane is like playing Russian Roulette, you never know which aircraft is going to be the one to crash. Although I agree with you that flying is much safer these days, it's a matter of most of us are "along for the ride" trapped in with several hundred people sick or anxious, flight attendants who are sometimes rude. Overbooked flights with the result of being literally dragged off the airplane. Overall though if flying is for you go ahead and enjoy the friendly skys!
You’re more likely to die in a car crash on the way to the airport.
This was so realistic, I wanted so badly for them to find their way.
One interesting accident is the SAS flight from Linate (Milano, Italy) late 2001. I don't recall the flight no right now, but that whole story is a lesson in how an airport(!) might kill you.
Liberal Snöflinga, Yes, and FYI Allec did this one a while back.
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THE DOG LIVES ON!
Not any more.
Damn it - was just thinking while watching " what about the speed brakes buddy"
Dino Dragovic
First Officer forgot
Wrong explanation, they put Romeo (which is Bogota) and not Rozo in the auto pilot. So the plane turn towards the mountain, pilot error, not controller or lemguage barrier.
I said something to the effect of them wanting to select rozo, but they accidentally selected a different waypoint because they weren't paying attention.
@@AllecJoshuaIbay that's correct, insane mistake.
Allec, please do Pan Am Flight 103. It would be interesting to see an unbiased reconstruction using the known facts.
Whats that rozo one approach??
Gaurav Kumar Meena It’s one of the Non Directional Beacons at Cali airport. Flights can pick the radio signals from the airport beacons and thereby pilots can see where the runway.In Cockpit ,A compass with an arrow usually points towards the NDB, to let pilots know the runway. Name of one of the NDB at Cali is Rozo 1.
The Rozo One Approach (now it’s called Palma) was an approach beginning at the VOR Tulua first, then flying to the ROZO Ndb and then to the RW 19. It was a VOR Dme approach. This means you have to flight over all these points in order to avoid mountains and land safely. Because the captain programmed his computer to fly Direct to Cali all points between them and Cali VOR were erased and after the ATC offered them to land at RW 19 this became a problem because ATC needed to know their position by reporting passing over these points. After that the big error to punch the R in the computer looking for ROZO when it was never in the list made things worse.....
These simulations are astounding!
thx for not censoring what the pilots are saying
At least the dog survived
I'm not a pilot but, isn't the first dictum of aviation to always have someone flying the aircraft?
Omg thank you Allec you Upload in UA-cam video :)
Lesson is, never fly into an airport with no functioning radar, especially if it was blown up by terrorists..
Where did you get that 757 addons?
Another reason why I don’t fly at night.
What a chain of gross errors
I'm not a pilot and make no claim to (any) aviation expertise, but I would think that all airliners should be equipped with high end night vision so that the pilots could at least see terrain even on the darkest nights. This (obviously) wouldn't work in heavy fog or clouds, but should help in ,most circumstances. If you could see a mountain or other obstruction, you could navigate around it.
This was 1992. Nvgs were at a sky high price. The year is 2024. Airliners have HUDS.
Banning mountains would seem to be the logical course of action. RIP all lost souls......
They all care about being behind schedule.. I can't figure out what difference that makes as long as you are not burning fuel in the interim. And if you cannot follow a flight plan you should not be operating airplanes and apparently without auto pilot cannot.
Are none of these guys IFR proficient or able to read a map?
For a considerable number of years now,Aircrew merely take receipt of a pre printed Flight plan along with coincidental data, e.g weather, Beacons, Nav Warnings, the aircrews do NOT these days, discuss the the route in Flight planning as was the case when I was young, NOR are Notams specifically included in much data offered the crews,all this is due to that almighty GOD, Money costs. Everything relative toward flying from a to B is automated these days, which is all very well when EVERYTHING is 100% correct. Truth is, every aspect of flying from A to B is not always correct in ALL Aspects.
Why not turn instead of climb ?
A few years ago EVA air 777-300 departed LAX and had some confusion with ATC in San Diego they almost went into the Alta Dena Mountains
I wonder in which parts of the plane (seats) the survivors were sitting. I am very curious about it taking into consideration the type of crash (much more severe than just simple hard crash landing). I tried to look it up on google but I couldn't find that information. Anyone knows?
From what Ive read in the comments, the one poor person who initially survived and then died on their way to hospital was the child of another survivor, who really made it; that makes it even more interesting, as the chance of two people who most likely sat next to each other surviving while just 3 more people survive in total have to be close to non existent
Row 22 the 4 of them were in row 22.
what a sad accident! but so many mistakes between pilots a controle tower! Lord Almighty so many lives !
Seems there should be an alarm if the stall warning is activated or full power applied to alert the pilots that the speed brakes are deployed?
speed brakes aren't gunna cause a stall if the AoA isn't steep enuff.
Please, could you do Tarom flight 371? It would make me very happy.
Stefano Rusu Yes, please!
Does anyone know this livery still exist today?
Yes, it still exists on their 757's and MD-83's
Jakub Koren, yeah. I saw them in Flightradar24 too. The Wikipedia said the MD-80s are about to retire from American Airlines’ fleet.
SunnyFon I saw that too
Jakub Koren, wow
As of July 2023, I believe it’s only on a certain 737-800 it’s registration is N921NN
If that flight computer had only brought up Rozo instead of Romeo as the nearest waypoint, they would have been fine. And then to find out they could have cleared the mountain if the speed brakes had been retracted....damn. Just makes this one of the worst crashes in my opinion.
9:26 9:44
Hard to believe there were that many people going there.
I'm a pilot but I only fly a single engine Cessna. It amazes me how these airline pilots can make stupid mistakes. Even I know better.
easy to be "rational" behind the keyboard - I am not justifying their mistakes (since some of them are really basic flying rules) but one has to also take the circumstances into the consideration like fatigue, getting overconfident with having so many hours on your self and not to forget the pressure having so many souls on board. You basically can not compare it to Cessna flying at all
Nostalgia Critic: But what about Boomer?
"A small brown dog in the cargo hold also survived."
Nostalgia Critic: *screams in joy
1st good joob Please next flight Asiana Airlines flight 214
Anyone know which timestamp is used to determine delay - pushback from the gate or actual takeoff? If it's takeoff then almost every flight I've taken would qualify as delayed but that would make for some ugly on-time stats
It's pushback.