Thule Motion XT and Force XT Cargo Box Comparison

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  • Опубліковано 10 гру 2024

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  • @rackattack
    @rackattack  3 роки тому

    🛒 Order here: www.rackattack.com/cargo-boxes/
    🏬 See it in action in one of our stores across the USA and Canada: www.rackattack.com/stores/
    See our updated comparison with the addition of Thule Vector cargo box: ua-cam.com/video/vEP1gjv5b1Q/v-deo.html

  • @Mysle_wiec_zniklem
    @Mysle_wiec_zniklem 2 роки тому +10

    just wanted to thank you for a very, very professional approach and help in understading the actual differences between these two.

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  2 роки тому +1

      Hello, and thank you for the positive feedback!

  • @cratra
    @cratra 3 роки тому +6

    I have Thule Motion XT XL (black) for snowboarding. Absolutely brilliant box. Best latch system out there.

  • @CinematicFool
    @CinematicFool Рік тому +2

    Very useful. Missing however, is the difference in the bottom mold. It appears that the Motion will sit lower on the rack. There also appears to be a structural difference, since the Force requires a metal brace while the Motion does not need one.

  • @guitarman7169
    @guitarman7169 2 роки тому +4

    I have the Motion XT for my '17 and '22 BMW X5's. Used on a 3064 mile vacation trip last summer from Columbia, SC to Michigan and back down the Western side of MI, IN, MO, you get the drill and back to Columbia. It went through some thunderstorms and blistering driving that I am noted for and came out a perfect 10. No moisture of any kind entered the Motion XT, no discernable wind noise and no lose of MPG. I bought a small two step collapsible stool to reach up to the Motion for loading/unloading and off we went! Highly recommend. Looks awesome on the X5. I just bought a 2022 X5 yesterday and after new Thule crossbars, this will be interchangeable between each X5. I prefer the gloss model over the matte one, just looks more bling! Can't load pics here but it does look great on Dark Vader!

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  2 роки тому

      Hello. Fantastic information and thanks for the details!

    • @rplusmphoto
      @rplusmphoto Рік тому

      do you have a link to your collapsible stool or a description of make/model

  • @rman8910
    @rman8910 3 роки тому +7

    The motion XT looks good enough to eat. My dream box.

  • @ЕвгенийКруподеря-ж7с

    Thanks for nice overwiev. I am collecting all my belongins and trying to escape from Ukraine with my three kids and also was wondering which model would be better for me. Main difference is price of course. When you lost job and lack of money Force XL is good choice. it is about 780 USD now in Kiyv. Thx!

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  2 роки тому

      Hello. Yes, the Force XL is a good choice to transport gear. Stay safe!

  • @adamore8371
    @adamore8371 3 роки тому +3

    Solid review and introduction, much appreciated!

  • @robsei9394
    @robsei9394 5 років тому +6

    perfect video, thanks - my decission is the "motion"

  • @dj_efk
    @dj_efk 4 роки тому +7

    Seems like the premium for the motion XT over the Force XT is not worth it.

    • @dmarkj22
      @dmarkj22 3 роки тому +7

      That’s what I was wondering. I was leaning towards the motion but if I can save myself a little money I might just go with the force.

    • @jonnybravo5285
      @jonnybravo5285 3 роки тому +8

      There is a bit more to the Motion than aesthetics. It has better aerodynamics for fuel efficiency and the linkage system doesn’t strain the locking mechanism. It also depends on your individual needs and type of travel. For me, with 4 kids and a service dog the Motion fits our needs perfectly since the GoBags are exactly designed to stow. They are color coded and everyone gets their own bag. And honestly, if your gonna invest in a Thule product, why cut corners. Your making a longterm investment for years of use. Imo, go for premium and you will be glad you did
      Also, the XXL model has reinforcements added beneath for more rigidity

    • @falixxxxx
      @falixxxxx 3 роки тому +3

      The force has a matte skin which is less likely to scratch and also the aero skin is like golf balls, more aerodynamic than the gloss

  • @yannfleury
    @yannfleury 4 роки тому +5

    do you guys know if standard luggage carry case fit in those? i was thinking the XL version

  • @scottfisher40
    @scottfisher40 2 місяці тому

    Which would you recommend for a black 23 Ford Explorer Limited with a panoramic sun roof?

  • @pdibonito
    @pdibonito 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks a lot, very useful. I need clarification as far as the Thule slide bars. For both boxes Thule says it is needed the adapter 697-6. Is that necessary for the correct mechanism of the slide bars or it may be used without (and in that case bars lose their slide option and behave fixed bars)? Is my interpretation right?

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  3 роки тому

      When Thule or Yakima use the terms need/needed, those items would be needed for install if you want your items to remain covered by their awesome lifetime warranty. The reason they recommend those adapter kits is they were able to test them to make sure they have the strength to support your box and all it's gear.

  • @anesteziospavlakidis5563
    @anesteziospavlakidis5563 4 роки тому +3

    Hey how are you guys doing would anyone know of any kind of rooftop capsule that would hold two large suitcases hard plastic suitcases is there any specific model I got a 2019 Mazda CX-9 GT and I use it a lot for Uber and I get a lot of airport calls and it doesn't leave much room for large luggage when people have too many things

  • @capricorneo6645
    @capricorneo6645 4 роки тому +3

    I'm so gonna but that Thule Motion XT and shove it on my Lexus RX. 💜

  • @alexanderkalkbrenner620
    @alexanderkalkbrenner620 4 роки тому +7

    thx 4 that perfect information

  • @aarronher8446
    @aarronher8446 5 років тому +3

    I bought a Thule motion XT XL for my 17 Highlander. one concert is that all the motion XT models are used same key right? my key can open others motion xt model too.

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  5 років тому +3

      No, no worries there, Thule produces 200 key numbers: N001 to N200, plus they recently introduced a new key series N201+, there's potentially 400 key codes in circulation.

    • @jonnybravo5285
      @jonnybravo5285 3 роки тому +1

      Also, they offer cylinder sets to change out your locks if you want. You could basically have multiple sets and use a different set each time you travel

  • @TheSiGuy
    @TheSiGuy 9 місяців тому

    Will these go on the yakima timberline fx crossbars?

  • @jamesc6137
    @jamesc6137 3 роки тому +1

    Great review. Why is the motion alpine size which is smaller than the “large” size 20lbs heavier as stated on thules website?

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  3 роки тому

      It's just due to how it is made. It's much longer than the large and it's a super sturdy box!

  • @E92jamesy
    @E92jamesy 4 роки тому +22

    I've been saying thule wrong for ever.... 😂 Thought it was TH-ULE not TOOLY 🤣

    • @riolux
      @riolux 3 роки тому +12

      Swede here, it's actually more like 2-let but without the last T.

    • @nor3ssk
      @nor3ssk 3 роки тому +2

      I been saying thule not Thule too just to find out it’s Thule and not Thule

  • @cubistone
    @cubistone 3 роки тому +3

    The bulky Force gets my money.

  • @coolspot18
    @coolspot18 3 роки тому

    Is there a benefit to using the clamps vs. t-track mounting?

  • @vascooliveira8631
    @vascooliveira8631 3 роки тому +1

    Do you have an idea on the added car height from the bars + Thule Motion XT? I am looking to check if it would pass my garage door.

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  3 роки тому +3

      This is a fantastic question and a very important one when it comes to shopping for Cargo boxes. Generally the cargo boxes will add between 11-14 inches in the lower profile or "Alpine" options. From there it's generally 16-18 inches added to the height of the cross bars. That would be the Motion XT XL, L, Skybox 16-18, any Large to Extra Large Sized box. Cross bars are a little more vehicle specific and depend on if you have bare roof, raised rails or flush rails on your vehicle. That being said, most roof racks if you add 6 inches that should cover most cross bar set-ups. On raised rails the additional height can be less than 3 inches though depending on the brand you choose.

    • @vascooliveira8631
      @vascooliveira8631 3 роки тому +2

      @@rackattack thank you for the thorough explanation. It's exactly the data I needed to select a model with confidence.

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  3 роки тому

      @@vascooliveira8631 Happy to help!

  • @Booster6969
    @Booster6969 Рік тому

    For someone going car camping and not using the box for skis or snowboards and more for camping gear, which would you suggest?

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  Рік тому +1

      Hello. The the two boxes will accommodate camping gear, skis or snowboards in the same way. Choose between the two boxes is best determined by price/budget, and the features that are most important for the user. If the upgraded gloss finish, the more advanced lock mechanism are viewed as an added value and still on budget, then the Motion XT is the choice, if not, the Force XT may be a better choice. Thanks!

  • @maticsorn2784
    @maticsorn2784 5 років тому +3

    Is there any roofbox that you can drive above 80mph 130kmh. Im looking for something to put on a gallardo

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  5 років тому +1

      Sorry, not that we carry or are aware of.

    • @thewatcher2145
      @thewatcher2145 5 років тому

      matic šorn Check out some of thestradmans old videos. He did exactly what you are talking about with both a Gallardo and I think an R8. Should be able to see or have him tell you brand at least.

    • @falixxxxx
      @falixxxxx 3 роки тому +1

      Lol i drove 90 when i first installed my Thule force XXL and it did fine

  • @boomersooner5421
    @boomersooner5421 3 роки тому +1

    Motion is definitely more aerodynamic and smoother of the two.

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  3 роки тому

      I've been using the Motion for years, it's fantastic!

    • @ddkim619
      @ddkim619 Рік тому

      ​@rackattack does the motion gloss paint scratch easily? Swirl scratches

    • @EricGonzalez-bd1qd
      @EricGonzalez-bd1qd Рік тому

      ​@ddkim619 came here looking for same answer hahaha. Did you end up buying the motion? If so, can you answer your own question because I'm curious too lol not like I didn't already make up my mind, I'm getting the motion but just curious lol

  • @sharif5866
    @sharif5866 2 роки тому +1

    Superb explanation.

  • @RexyFan
    @RexyFan 4 роки тому

    Which case do you recommend to fit a pram in ?

  • @mirkogrljusic2032
    @mirkogrljusic2032 4 роки тому +1

    I have Toyota Auris 2015 hatchback 2.0 D ...what size is the best for that car,soon I will go on vacation but the space in the car is so limited,so I need to take the max from takbox,so what is the best with max space ?

    • @katherinec1111
      @katherinec1111 3 роки тому

      Thule has a fit my car button on their website

  • @BaezLife
    @BaezLife 2 роки тому

    Does the alpine still provide ample space for snowboards and or camping gear? Might go with a motion XT L or XL depending if I can find a used one

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  2 роки тому

      Hello. The Thule Motion XT Alpine is only 13.25 inches tall which is great for skis and boards, while the XL is 17 inches tall making it better suited to hold bulky items. Thanks!

    • @BaezLife
      @BaezLife 2 роки тому

      @@rackattack thank you for the reply. I'm trying to see which one to get. I want it to fit more than just skis and boards, maybe bags and sleeping bags.. I found a used alpine for 500

  • @lphepburn
    @lphepburn 3 роки тому

    Looking to live out of my Dodge grand caravan with the motion xt xxl, can I keep the box on the vehicle full-time or should it be stored and used periodically? Can it go through a brushless or brushed car wash? What is it's warranty for any cracks/manufacturer deficiencies?

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  3 роки тому +2

      The cargo box in design to be able to stay on your vehicle all year. We would not recommend going through automatic car washes with the box or cross bars mounted on the vehicle, it would be best to hand wash the vehicle with that set up.
      Thule and Yakima offer limited life time warranties for their products.

  • @ariahrendt6166
    @ariahrendt6166 4 роки тому

    Does it mean, the motion is the better box because of the thicker front lip you mentioned? Is it really noticable during the trip?

    • @jonnybravo5285
      @jonnybravo5285 3 роки тому +6

      Its more rigid making it less flimsy. Think about it, you get what you pay for. The company has a reputation to maintain. The Motion was reviewed as the #1 cargo box on the market. While Thule offers more affordable options, the Motion is the way to go if you like to travel and hate being cramped for space. Well worth the money today for many years of memories with the family

  • @andyracz
    @andyracz Рік тому

    Do you know if the Motion XT L fits on 86cm long Edge bars? The box is wider, but is that measured at its widest points or at the bottom? I don't want the box to sit on the plastic of the edges. Or would that be safe? Thanks!

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  Рік тому +1

      Hello. Thanks! The mounting hardware is inboard from the edges of the box, so clamping to the bar is not an issue, though the box will rest on the foot and this would be unavoidable, this would not pose a safety concern.

    • @andyracz
      @andyracz Рік тому

      @@rackattack highly appreciate your answer! Asked around in 2 stores and Thule official website as email, and they told me neither the L or the XL would fit on that. It’s actually for a BMW G31. Weird.
      Thanks for mentioning that it wouldn’t pose a safety concern. Still a little worried though if it’s absolutely no problem if the box sits on the foot…
      Or would I be better off getting the 127cm Evo bars instead for the XL box….

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  Рік тому +1

      @@andyracz Hello. The manufacture's guide is the definitive source of vehicle fits. Our general guidance was not vehicle specific. The WingBar EVO will provide more bar surface area than the Edge system and would be recommended to avoid unnecessary foot contact if possible. Thanks!

  • @dawna4185
    @dawna4185 4 роки тому +1

    i want to put things like blankets, clothes, electronics, etc in the box. is this too risky due to the potential of water leakage? waterproofness is my main concern and need? any thoughts? thanks

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  4 роки тому +3

      These, as well as all cargo boxes, do not stop all water/condensation/dust penetration. Pack belongings in self-protective luggage/bags/containers.

    • @dawna4185
      @dawna4185 4 роки тому

      @@rackattack thank you for the reply!!

    • @iamtomkills
      @iamtomkills 4 роки тому +2

      @@dawna4185 i was curious i cant see an IP rating for these - i guess it's risky by your last reply to put anything in them that could be damaged by water? I live in scotland lol - its a concern

    • @dawna4185
      @dawna4185 4 роки тому +3

      @@iamtomkills i did get one and let me tell you it was one of the best investment i have ever made. also, none of my fears regarding the box became concerns!! an excellent product worth every cent!! there was no detectable water leakage...highly recommend the box i got...

    • @1434325637
      @1434325637 3 роки тому +1

      @@dawna4185 may I ask what box model you got?

  • @Daniel-tl2ln
    @Daniel-tl2ln 5 років тому +6

    Would be better to throw shit in and show us how much one can fit inside.

  • @clsybear
    @clsybear 3 роки тому

    What is available in gloss white?

  • @AdamWilliams-j8b
    @AdamWilliams-j8b Рік тому

    What size motion xt would you recommend for a 2020 Ford Explorer ST?

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  Рік тому

      Hello. Here our video of a Ford Explorer fitted with a Force XL, the Motion XL would have a similar fit: ua-cam.com/video/qTaTN_ZChKo/v-deo.html Thanks!

  • @petarpetrov7407
    @petarpetrov7407 4 роки тому +2

    Hello all, Can you tell me if

    Thule Vector M will fit my Mazda CX-5 2019 ? If not can you recommend me which one will suit with. Generally I want to look good and after comes the cargo space. For me the lower ones look better. Thank you in advance.

    • @jonnybravo5285
      @jonnybravo5285 3 роки тому +2

      If you go to Thule.com, there is “Fit my Car” clicky that lets you input your info and it lists which options your vehicle has. There are many components involved in the mounting. The crossbars, feet, and installation kits all are listed for each specific vehicle. There are many options for economy, mid-grade, and premium components and options based on your travel needs. Hope that helps and good hunting

  • @garyweiner1363
    @garyweiner1363 Рік тому

    I have to remove a large Motion XT off of a mid-size SUV to get the vehicle in to garage....can this be done with 1 person? Also, I would like to hang this vertically in the garage, on the wall, and would like to use the clamp mechanism the box uses to lock onto the roof rail - - anyone know of a existing solution? Not into hoists...have several of them in garage holding bicycles...

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  Рік тому

      Hello. The Thule Motion XT large weighs 42 pounds and there are many users that will install and remove the box independently, however, the weight is bulky and may be awkward to manage which is why it is recommended as a two person lift. Regarding storage, Thule does not recommend storing the box vertically, a common storing location is the top of a garage stand alone shelving unit. Thanks!

  • @professorrad4938
    @professorrad4938 4 роки тому

    Just bought a 2020 Highlander Hybrid Limited. Can you tell me what box will fit?

    • @rugbyod
      @rugbyod 4 роки тому +3

      I have a Thule Motion XT XL on a 2020 Subaru Impreza Wagon, I had to move the roof cross-bars forward a little, and I can open trunk fully. If this can fit a small car like Impreza I imagine it should fit a Highlander.

  • @cjtheus
    @cjtheus 3 роки тому

    How many other color do you have my Toyota Sienna is Silver in color...

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  3 роки тому +1

      Hello, the Motion XT is offered in Titan (grey), it may not be a close match to the Sienna silver, so black would be a safer choice to avoid the color mismatch.

    • @cjtheus
      @cjtheus 3 роки тому

      @@rackattack it will have too work, I've ordered it. The delivery is today thanks anyways.

    • @cjtheus
      @cjtheus 3 роки тому

      My Thule arrived today and the Color is almost exact match of my 2017 Sienna Sky Blue Silver in color. The True test of the color will be when the sun light hits it. I'm excited for the install Tomorrow morning.

  • @itsmermf
    @itsmermf 5 років тому

    What is the largest size of the Motion XT that will fit on an 2014 Acura MDX with the factory crossbars?

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  5 років тому +1

      The Large 16-cubic foot is likely the largest Motion box. If you email us at info@rackoutfitters.com, we can reply back with a Thule pdf fitment chart. This will show you how to measure the roof to determine the largest box possible.

  • @clo289
    @clo289 4 роки тому

    Thank you!!

  • @kk-channel4262
    @kk-channel4262 4 роки тому

    Thx from Germany!

  • @regginaldwilliams9381
    @regginaldwilliams9381 4 роки тому

    I have 6 foot long clam quickset tent. Will it fit inside?

    • @lauracannata1316
      @lauracannata1316 4 роки тому +2

      prompt me after 7/7 & i'll let you know, i'm traveling w/ it in my force sport next weekend

    • @EricGonzalez-bd1qd
      @EricGonzalez-bd1qd Рік тому

      ​@lauracannata1316 it's way past 7/7. What you got for us?

  • @mychanneltoletyouknow
    @mychanneltoletyouknow 5 років тому

    is the extra spend for the motion justifiable? if so, why? putting aside aesthetics.

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  5 років тому +4

      From the most practical standpoint, the Motion XT offers much greater overlap between the base and lid at the front of the box which provides more assurance that the lid and base will not separate in extreme conditions.

    • @TobyCostaRica
      @TobyCostaRica 5 років тому +4

      Almost every used Motion XT I've seen on Craiglist has cracks. Makes me wonder if the glossy paint/harder material of the Motion is worth the difference. Looks like the Force plastic is more flexible. @Rackoutfitters what do you guys think?

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  5 років тому

      From the most practical standpoint, the Motion XT offers much greater overlap between the base and lid at the front of the box which provides more assurance that the lid and base will not separate in extreme conditions.

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  5 років тому

      @@TobyCostaRica Both are thermoformed ABS plastic, this is the same material use for automobile components such as rearview mirrors. The material is light, rigid and impact resistant.

    • @jonnybravo5285
      @jonnybravo5285 3 роки тому +1

      @@TobyCostaRica most likely those boxes were on vehicles being driven by drivers with lead feet. Wind can be very destructive at high speed....especially if the plastic is cold and stiff making it more brittle

  • @Pingpongpanda666
    @Pingpongpanda666 2 роки тому

    Which one is better for Porsche Cayenne?

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  2 роки тому +1

      Hello. In order to maintain full rear hatch access we'd suggest the 16 cubic foot, large for the vehicle. Thanks!

    • @Pingpongpanda666
      @Pingpongpanda666 2 роки тому

      @@rackattack thanks so much for your response, I also need the crossbars, any recommendations for 2016 Porsche Cayenne? Thank you.

  • @miansmas
    @miansmas 3 роки тому

    Whatz the price of force xt 500litres

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  3 роки тому

      Prices for boxes can be found at our site. Here is the link to the Force XT page. www.rackattack.com/cargo-boxes/thule-force-xt-l/

  • @angelman1123
    @angelman1123 3 роки тому

    Awesome review - thank you!!

  • @pmorse3653
    @pmorse3653 2 роки тому

    well done

  • @rutivangonzaga7141
    @rutivangonzaga7141 4 роки тому

    Quanto custa

  • @srorapongmeunthong5844
    @srorapongmeunthong5844 3 роки тому

    ราคา?

  • @Addiezmom
    @Addiezmom 5 років тому

    Excellent video ... thank you!!!

  • @M482M
    @M482M 4 роки тому

    Great info!

  • @Utsusemi
    @Utsusemi 5 років тому +5

    these things look like cruise missiles lol

  • @supercooled
    @supercooled 4 роки тому +2

    Looks like you're transporting a whale. Just bought a Crosstrek and thought about getting one of these but the space in the car will be more than sufficient and if I'm being perfectly honest, I never understood what people are putting in these.

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  4 роки тому +12

      Most of the boxes that we sell are for families going on road trips, or couples with pets that travel in the back...sometimes the boxes are used for camping to hold all that gear or ski/snowboard vacations. If you can fit everything inside then that's good but be careful not to stack gear so high that items could fly forward during an emergency stop.

    • @lauracannata1316
      @lauracannata1316 4 роки тому +3

      because camping w/ two 10-20 pound puppies turned into two 70-80 pound puppies..i like that i have the option to sleep inside the car if rain/snow prevents camp set up..good for longer trips requiring more gear, or more people w/ their gear on top.

    • @josephj6521
      @josephj6521 4 роки тому +2

      The Yellow Cursor... reason is lack of space in our vehicle for road trips. We need the extra space and putting stuff away is safer and provides us with a lot more storage capacity.

    • @brentanderson3465
      @brentanderson3465 2 роки тому

      A kid a stroller and a dog mean there is no space for other items in our family car.

    • @teresarr07
      @teresarr07 Рік тому

      If you're only one person great but you can't be camping with a family with all the camping gear. Also we couldn't bring more than 3 people with snowboards now we can fit 5 comfortably.

  • @easy08154711
    @easy08154711 2 роки тому

    BOXBOXBOX

  • @samhanglow6903
    @samhanglow6903 6 років тому

    How much for Thule txl

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  6 років тому

      Here's a link to pricing: www.rackoutfitters.com/thule-roof-top-cargo-boxes-free-scheduled-delivery/

    • @RealityCheck1980
      @RealityCheck1980 5 років тому

      Thank you for the thorough review. How many MPGs are lost with these two Thules? Are there less MPGs lost with the Motion?

    • @NorthlandDWJ
      @NorthlandDWJ 4 роки тому +1

      @@rackattack Could you mount flexible solar panels to the top of these? maybe by drilling?

  • @Mark-hu9tf
    @Mark-hu9tf 3 роки тому +1

    Motion will scratch.

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  3 роки тому +3

      All cargo boxes can scratch but with some 3m rubbing compound I can usually buff out the scratches better on a high gloss box compared to the matte ones.
      www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b40065584/
      That's what I would use, magical stuff!

    • @Mark-hu9tf
      @Mark-hu9tf 3 роки тому

      @@rackattack Fair point! Do you know if this box will fit a 2017 ford explorer with ford cross bars? Was thinking XL size

    • @katherinec1111
      @katherinec1111 3 роки тому

      @@Mark-hu9tf Try this link to find that out! www.thule.com/en-us/fit-my-car

    • @rackattack
      @rackattack  3 роки тому +1

      Any box will fit on your crossbars, however some of the longer boxes can have a bit of hatch interference. Measure from the open hatch to the middle of the front cross bar. With that measurement, we can let you know which boxes fit without hatch interference. In most cases the antenna is a bit flexible and can bend a bit if it is tall enough that it would contact the box.
      You need 50-52 inches for a XL box. I don't recall the XL being an issue on your vehicle though, but even in store I would always measure to be safe.