I find it fascinating the unexpected losses of seedlings that shoild survive and hail mary seedlings that thrive despite the odds plus the variability of seeds between batches of same tyoes of fruit and even seeds from the same source, it's quite a thrill when something unexpected survives! Well done and good luck with it!
@@kateblack6406 lol well needless to say I did lose the other durian seedlings as expected so this one really surprised me as my kitchen is not high humidity 😁
You've done a great job keeping them going over winter, Brett! I've never even tried the fruit, the descriptions I've heard of it don't sound appetising to me at all lol 😂
I wish I could claim some kind of genius ability on my part but I’ve lost quite a few ‘easy’ plants over winter so I have no idea how these survived. I’m not really expecting them to last much longer but I certainly won’t put them outside 😂
I absolutely love this. It shows that you really never know what will happen.... like, in my sphere, if you mention graviola, mangosteen, cacao or rambutan, everyone will tell you, don't bother, waste of time! Yet, I found a woman in Paphos who has all of that growing outside, in the ground, at her place... she even hand pollinated the graviola flowers and had fruits. This year her cacao are flowering and it wont be long before she gets rambutan too as that tree is over 5 meters tall....
I must admit I’d also have said mangosteen, cacao, rambutan, durian etc would be impossible outside anywhere in Europe, too cold and not humid enough, so I guess if you don’t try, you don’t find out. To be fair I don’t expect a durian seedling to survive for long as they really need high humidity 😁
@@lyonheart84 apparently, she grew them in a greenhouse until they reach "proper size" and when planted outside she covered them accordingly... this staged transition was the key to her success. I hope she'll allow me to film them, haven't asked yet. She had bad experience with publicity... they filmed and aired on TV her tropical water lilies and next week got robbed, so, it's tough to get her to agree on publicity again.
I saw Durian fruit in a supermarket in China. It's extremely smelly and eating it on public transport or in hotel rooms is usually banned because the smell lingers for days. It has four inside segments and the edible core has a texture of custard. I think it's a fruit that you either love or hate, there is no in-between. I don't think that you will need to worry about the fruit, but we'll done getting it to grow.
Yes I have eaten it of course, I find it too rich and creamy for my taste, I can eat small quantities of it but I don’t hate it like some people do. I’m sure it’s at its best fresh in the Far East
You can always put a very thin layer of organic stuff, such as crushed leaves and worm castings, on top of the aggregates. So, as the organic matter is acted on by bacteria and fungi, it acts as an organic fertiliser. The microbial action on the proteins, etc, contained within the organic matter releases water-soluble nitrate (nitrogen), phosphate (phosphorus), etc, which trickle down to the rootzone when you water. It will be a feat keeping durian alive in the longterm without a warm heated greenhouse. Even more of a feat in getting one to flower and fruit. But never say never.
Haha to be honest Gary I don’t think I’ll bother doing anything other than the basic re-pot I carried out, it would be a miracle if it lasted the Summer anyway 😂. On top of that they are a minimum of 20 years ( in perfect tropical growing conditions so think 30 years here ) to reach flowering size AND they don’t as a rule self-pollinate so you’d need TWO 😂😂😂. BTW myself and Peter will never say anything about your lengthy comments again haha, did you see the scientific essay the other chap wrote on durian requirements, it makes yours look like a shorthand note 😂😂😉😉
@@lyonheart84 Whooa! 😂His comments and replies were essay-worthy indeed! He says something about UK soil containing "too much" nickel. I am not convinced that is actually the case. In any case, nickel concentrations vary widely from one UK geological location to another. In any case, it is irrelevent, as you are not likely to plant your durian in-ground the garden, anyway! And you are not using garden soil in the pot. I'd advise watering with rainwater or distilled/deionised water, as I think durian is one of those salt-sensitive species. He advises treating your sickly durian with bicarb of soda and vodka! Bicarb of soda (sodium hydrogen carbonate) is alkaline (pH of around 8), so that would not do a durian any good. It also contains sodium, and most plants (except for those that are adapted to coastal marine environments where there is seawater spray) are highly intolerant of sodium.
@garycard1456 haha I thought you’d love his chemical breakdown. Can’t say I necessarily agreed with everything he wrote haha, I thought the vodka bit was tongue in cheek haha. But some people are incredibly knowledgeable about certain subjects. Or else believe everything they read online 😉. Perhaps the nickel is what they are spraying out of passenger jets as they fly overhead to sabotage our soil so we can’t grow durians outside 😁
@@lyonheart84 That in-depth breakdown of soil chemistry would be of help out on the commercial durian plantations in the Philippines, Thailand, etc, but how will it be helpful to us? I was thinking that the logic behind vodka is the alcohol (ethanol), which has antibacterial and antifungal action. I certainly do not believe everything I read. Lol, those are contrails: the hydrocarbon (aviation-grade kerosene) used in jet engines gives carbon dioxide and water as combustion products (combustion is the exothermic reaction with oxygen in the air). At high altitudes it is so cold that the water vapour combustion product of the jet engine exhaust plume quickly condenses to tiny water droplets, which then cool further until they form tiny ice crystals. The condensed water vapour and tiny ice crytals are very lightweight and leave 'trails' in the sky, which, depending on the wind strength, may linger in the sky some time. The trails are called contrails. Nickel can be found as minerals in the earth's rocks. I'd imagine that Cornwall, which has Igneous geology, has more nickel minerals than the Sedimentary (chalk, sandstone, clay) geology of the South East. Lol, nickel is the least of our worries when it comes to growing durian in our climate!
@garycard1456 I’ve always referred to them as vapour trails which have been ever present for as long as I can recall, certainly since the 1960s and no doubt as long as passenger jets have been capable of flying high enough to produce them. But I know a few of the foil hat brigade that think they are spraying nanobots into the atmosphere or whatever chemicals they read about 🤪🤪
*They prefer (6pH) in their environment. That doesn't mean they will prefer 6pH in a UK environment. Their evolutionary soil is Calcium, Magnesium & Phosphate deficient. UK have too much Magnesium, Nickel & Aluminum in it's soil. I would recommend: (1 teaspoon of Baking Soda with 1 teaspoon of vodka) in 1 gallon of 60F water, for the sick one. I would recommend lots of sand & perlite in the potting mix for the healthy one. No fertilizer! A very small micro-pinch of (Manganese Chelate) will help microbes convert Ammonium into Nitric acid naturally adjusting pH. Manganese (Mn) will help the plant absorb the correct amounts of (Calcium & Phosphate). It will allow phosphorus recycling, so doesn't need fertilizer! A very small micro-pinch of (Sodium Molybdate) will help counteract the UK environment high Nickel levels. It's Islands of origin are Nickel deficient & UK near Nickel toxic. Nickel causes Mycorrhiza to turn all sources of Nitrogen into Urea. Without Molybdenum the plant can't retrieve stored Urea from the leaves. Molybdenum is most water soluble at higher pH. This means that in your environment with high Nickel, you will have to keep pH as close to neutral as possible. Too low & Molybdenum will not be soluble & too high Manganese won't be soluble! This is why I recommended Baking Soda (Sodium BiCarbonate). It will pH neutralize the soil, while keeping Manganese & Molybdenum water soluble. Sodium will reduce the activity of (Magnesium & Iron) on the Stomata cells, reducing water loss. Please don't over do it & accidentally induce Iron deficiency! Both (Manganese & Sodium) reduce iron activity. Balance is what is important. You are doing something very unique for an environment very different from the original. Even though I have studied agronomy over 40 years, I'm only hypothesizing. This will require alertness to its health & troubleshooting!!! Tag me anytime you have questions.*
Incredible knowledge but it’s unlikely to last long here so I’m not too bothered, I’m not even sure they’ve kept a durian tree alive at Kew Gardens with all their expertise. I just germinated the seeds for fun, I didn’t expect to re-pot them. When I said fertilise them I was only referring to the possibility of using a diluted seaweed solution, I had no intentions of trying anything else, I’m lazy to use plant foods 😂
@@lyonheart84 While in a commercial tropical environment Durian can tolerate (1.6kg) per acre, or a maximum of 80grams per year for a fully mature adult tree, of borax. This is different. Seaweed Kelp is high in: (Sodium Chloride, Boron, Iodine, IBA hormone). The Boron levels are 8 times of most organic products. The problem isn't the Boron itself, it's that it is a Co-Catalyst to Magnesium. Magnesium increases (stomata breathing of CO2, loss of water & production of Carboxylic acid). Carboxylic acid is a precursor to Amino acid proteins. However, since I believe that Nickel is probably high & molybdenum low, there may not going to be very much ammonium availability for protein creation & Carboxylic acid could reach toxic levels in the leaves as soon as 3 weeks after treatment with Seaweed Kelp or anything high in Boron. Chloride tends to slow of reduce Nitrogen assimilation in most species. (IBA & Iodine) in Kelp will most likely be beneficial. I stand by rinse roots, treat with baking soda, lots of (sand & perlite), Mycorrhiza, micro-pinches of (Sodium Molybdate & Manganese), water from the bottom if possible. hope they thrive!
@Pay-It_Forward lol that’s way too technical for me and the uk climate. They can’t possibly thrive here, the real success would be to survive. I can’t even keep mangoes, jackfruit and lychees alive longer than around 6 months on average 😂. I do however keep bicarbonate of soda in my kitchen. I did incorporate perlite and sand in the mix as I’m using it for avocados which hate growing in pots here 😁
Well done, I’m really amazed you could keep them alive.
Haha Ben miracles do happen although I’m not sure how much longer they will last
I find it fascinating the unexpected losses of seedlings that shoild survive and hail mary seedlings that thrive despite the odds plus the variability of seeds between batches of same tyoes of fruit and even seeds from the same source, it's quite a thrill when something unexpected survives! Well done and good luck with it!
@@kateblack6406 lol well needless to say I did lose the other durian seedlings as expected so this one really surprised me as my kitchen is not high humidity 😁
You've done a great job keeping them going over winter, Brett! I've never even tried the fruit, the descriptions I've heard of it don't sound appetising to me at all lol 😂
I wish I could claim some kind of genius ability on my part but I’ve lost quite a few ‘easy’ plants over winter so I have no idea how these survived. I’m not really expecting them to last much longer but I certainly won’t put them outside 😂
I absolutely love this.
It shows that you really never know what will happen.... like, in my sphere, if you mention graviola, mangosteen, cacao or rambutan, everyone will tell you, don't bother, waste of time! Yet, I found a woman in Paphos who has all of that growing outside, in the ground, at her place... she even hand pollinated the graviola flowers and had fruits. This year her cacao are flowering and it wont be long before she gets rambutan too as that tree is over 5 meters tall....
I must admit I’d also have said mangosteen, cacao, rambutan, durian etc would be impossible outside anywhere in Europe, too cold and not humid enough, so I guess if you don’t try, you don’t find out. To be fair I don’t expect a durian seedling to survive for long as they really need high humidity 😁
@@lyonheart84 apparently, she grew them in a greenhouse until they reach "proper size" and when planted outside she covered them accordingly... this staged transition was the key to her success. I hope she'll allow me to film them, haven't asked yet. She had bad experience with publicity... they filmed and aired on TV her tropical water lilies and next week got robbed, so, it's tough to get her to agree on publicity again.
@TropicalGardeningCyprus ah she had a very sensible growing plan, mature trees are of course hardier 👍
I saw Durian fruit in a supermarket in China. It's extremely smelly and eating it on public transport or in hotel rooms is usually banned because the smell lingers for days. It has four inside segments and the edible core has a texture of custard. I think it's a fruit that you either love or hate, there is no in-between. I don't think that you will need to worry about the fruit, but we'll done getting it to grow.
Yes I have eaten it of course, I find it too rich and creamy for my taste, I can eat small quantities of it but I don’t hate it like some people do. I’m sure it’s at its best fresh in the Far East
@lyonheart84 your videos are great, keep up the good work!
@ImRaHorakhty that’s kind of you to say, thank you 🙏🏽
You can always put a very thin layer of organic stuff, such as crushed leaves and worm castings, on top of the aggregates. So, as the organic matter is acted on by bacteria and fungi, it acts as an organic fertiliser. The microbial action on the proteins, etc, contained within the organic matter releases water-soluble nitrate (nitrogen), phosphate (phosphorus), etc, which trickle down to the rootzone when you water.
It will be a feat keeping durian alive in the longterm without a warm heated greenhouse. Even more of a feat in getting one to flower and fruit. But never say never.
Haha to be honest Gary I don’t think I’ll bother doing anything other than the basic re-pot I carried out, it would be a miracle if it lasted the Summer anyway 😂. On top of that they are a minimum of 20 years ( in perfect tropical growing conditions so think 30 years here ) to reach flowering size AND they don’t as a rule self-pollinate so you’d need TWO 😂😂😂.
BTW myself and Peter will never say anything about your lengthy comments again haha, did you see the scientific essay the other chap wrote on durian requirements, it makes yours look like a shorthand note 😂😂😉😉
@@lyonheart84 Whooa! 😂His comments and replies were essay-worthy indeed!
He says something about UK soil containing "too much" nickel. I am not convinced that is actually the case. In any case, nickel concentrations vary widely from one UK geological location to another. In any case, it is irrelevent, as you are not likely to plant your durian in-ground the garden, anyway! And you are not using garden soil in the pot.
I'd advise watering with rainwater or distilled/deionised water, as I think durian is one of those salt-sensitive species.
He advises treating your sickly durian with bicarb of soda and vodka! Bicarb of soda (sodium hydrogen carbonate) is alkaline (pH of around 8), so that would not do a durian any good. It also contains sodium, and most plants (except for those that are adapted to coastal marine environments where there is seawater spray) are highly intolerant of sodium.
@garycard1456 haha I thought you’d love his chemical breakdown. Can’t say I necessarily agreed with everything he wrote haha, I thought the vodka bit was tongue in cheek haha. But some people are incredibly knowledgeable about certain subjects. Or else believe everything they read online 😉. Perhaps the nickel is what they are spraying out of passenger jets as they fly overhead to sabotage our soil so we can’t grow durians outside 😁
@@lyonheart84 That in-depth breakdown of soil chemistry would be of help out on the commercial durian plantations in the Philippines, Thailand, etc, but how will it be helpful to us?
I was thinking that the logic behind vodka is the alcohol (ethanol), which has antibacterial and antifungal action.
I certainly do not believe everything I read.
Lol, those are contrails: the hydrocarbon (aviation-grade kerosene) used in jet engines gives carbon dioxide and water as combustion products (combustion is the exothermic reaction with oxygen in the air). At high altitudes it is so cold that the water vapour combustion product of the jet engine exhaust plume quickly condenses to tiny water droplets, which then cool further until they form tiny ice crystals. The condensed water vapour and tiny ice crytals are very lightweight and leave 'trails' in the sky, which, depending on the wind strength, may linger in the sky some time. The trails are called contrails.
Nickel can be found as minerals in the earth's rocks. I'd imagine that Cornwall, which has Igneous geology, has more nickel minerals than the Sedimentary (chalk, sandstone, clay) geology of the South East.
Lol, nickel is the least of our worries when it comes to growing durian in our climate!
@garycard1456 I’ve always referred to them as vapour trails which have been ever present for as long as I can recall, certainly since the 1960s and no doubt as long as passenger jets have been capable of flying high enough to produce them. But I know a few of the foil hat brigade that think they are spraying nanobots into the atmosphere or whatever chemicals they read about 🤪🤪
*They prefer (6pH) in their environment. That doesn't mean they will prefer 6pH in a UK environment. Their evolutionary soil is Calcium, Magnesium & Phosphate deficient. UK have too much Magnesium, Nickel & Aluminum in it's soil. I would recommend: (1 teaspoon of Baking Soda with 1 teaspoon of vodka) in 1 gallon of 60F water, for the sick one. I would recommend lots of sand & perlite in the potting mix for the healthy one. No fertilizer! A very small micro-pinch of (Manganese Chelate) will help microbes convert Ammonium into Nitric acid naturally adjusting pH. Manganese (Mn) will help the plant absorb the correct amounts of (Calcium & Phosphate). It will allow phosphorus recycling, so doesn't need fertilizer! A very small micro-pinch of (Sodium Molybdate) will help counteract the UK environment high Nickel levels. It's Islands of origin are Nickel deficient & UK near Nickel toxic. Nickel causes Mycorrhiza to turn all sources of Nitrogen into Urea. Without Molybdenum the plant can't retrieve stored Urea from the leaves. Molybdenum is most water soluble at higher pH. This means that in your environment with high Nickel, you will have to keep pH as close to neutral as possible. Too low & Molybdenum will not be soluble & too high Manganese won't be soluble! This is why I recommended Baking Soda (Sodium BiCarbonate). It will pH neutralize the soil, while keeping Manganese & Molybdenum water soluble. Sodium will reduce the activity of (Magnesium & Iron) on the Stomata cells, reducing water loss. Please don't over do it & accidentally induce Iron deficiency! Both (Manganese & Sodium) reduce iron activity. Balance is what is important. You are doing something very unique for an environment very different from the original. Even though I have studied agronomy over 40 years, I'm only hypothesizing. This will require alertness to its health & troubleshooting!!! Tag me anytime you have questions.*
Incredible knowledge but it’s unlikely to last long here so I’m not too bothered, I’m not even sure they’ve kept a durian tree alive at Kew Gardens with all their expertise. I just germinated the seeds for fun, I didn’t expect to re-pot them. When I said fertilise them I was only referring to the possibility of using a diluted seaweed solution, I had no intentions of trying anything else, I’m lazy to use plant foods 😂
@@lyonheart84 While in a commercial tropical environment Durian can tolerate (1.6kg) per acre, or a maximum of 80grams per year for a fully mature adult tree, of borax. This is different. Seaweed Kelp is high in: (Sodium Chloride, Boron, Iodine, IBA hormone). The Boron levels are 8 times of most organic products. The problem isn't the Boron itself, it's that it is a Co-Catalyst to Magnesium. Magnesium increases (stomata breathing of CO2, loss of water & production of Carboxylic acid). Carboxylic acid is a precursor to Amino acid proteins. However, since I believe that Nickel is probably high & molybdenum low, there may not going to be very much ammonium availability for protein creation & Carboxylic acid could reach toxic levels in the leaves as soon as 3 weeks after treatment with Seaweed Kelp or anything high in Boron. Chloride tends to slow of reduce Nitrogen assimilation in most species. (IBA & Iodine) in Kelp will most likely be beneficial. I stand by rinse roots, treat with baking soda, lots of (sand & perlite), Mycorrhiza, micro-pinches of (Sodium Molybdate & Manganese), water from the bottom if possible. hope they thrive!
@Pay-It_Forward lol that’s way too technical for me and the uk climate. They can’t possibly thrive here, the real success would be to survive. I can’t even keep mangoes, jackfruit and lychees alive longer than around 6 months on average 😂. I do however keep bicarbonate of soda in my kitchen. I did incorporate perlite and sand in the mix as I’m using it for avocados which hate growing in pots here 😁