Intentional Disregard Part Two
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Intentional disregard, Maybe considered the reason for not doing anything, when there is the need for a little maintenance, all equipment wears after time but doing nothing can lead to the extremes. This project displays some signs of that. We remove the old hydraulic cylinder rod end pin supports with a cutting torch.
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I still can’t believe the way customers will send a part to a shop and not clean or do minor prep. When I was sixteen (a long time ago) I worked in a shop part time as a shop hand prepping jobs, mostly cleaning items. The shop charged the same shop rate for my work as for what an experienced machinist would get and when a customer complained the boss would tell them “well you could just clean it before you sent it in and saved some money”.
Excellent response from your boss.
And I'll just add: Bill clean up at the higher rate as if it's too low, customers will just say "Jack can do it, I can't be stuffed doing it"
I am to old and don't have a channel but. I sing along with the pledge of allegiance and having grown up on the farm in the 50s and 60s we took good care of our machinery. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
I wouldn't be too quick to simply blame the equipment operator. Depending upon the organization using the equipment, there could be a number of people who ignored the problem. If it's a large organization, you can have maintenance people telling the operator to continue using the equipment, the owner telling the operator to use it, etc. After awhile, the operator figures, "If they don't care - I don't care." It certainly starts with the operator, but the entire organization is responsible for letting something get that bad by not having a preventive maintenance attitude and plan for the equipment.
Nice precision torch work there Keith. That's one skill I have yet to develop. Mart.
I've done a fair amount of heavy equipment repair involving badly worn pins and bushings....torch the whole plate off, make new ones...the flame cuts always look awful, but clean up pretty well....
Keith, do you have a scarfing tip?
Keith, Wheres your scarfing tip?
Hi Keith, do a "pledge of Allegiance" for other countries to shout out to your international viewers! Start with Canada :)
I'd use a 3/32 nozzle and 24 inch torch for bucket work keep back from the dross👨🏭
Keith please remember that this job brings more money than just replace the bushings, so please stop talking about the bad people that don’t take care of the machine
As trained toolmaker know for the last 20 years mobile welding I see this a lot. Do you know what Keith I worked out a good while ago you cant save the world of plant operators......
If their coffee flask was connected to the grease gun things would last a lot longer.
Had a guy snap a 6 feet ditching bucket trying to pull a oak stump as he was to lazy to change the bucket.
cost the firm a big bill...not him but the firm. BTW the close cut beard suits you well.
Never could and never will.
Fancy meeting you here 😉
he needs to use more pipe dope
It never fails... every time I get a new piece of clothing I have a stain or hole almost immediately....
Have you ever watched that Russian Bucket factory? There’s a kid on there with torch skills, mad skills. I sure don’t like to see and hear the pain in your heart. I hope time heals it.
Good ol' Lev and Igor. Those guys build two buckets before lunch!!!! I can't understand anything they say but I sure love the work they produce.
Dave, just love the factory, would love a tour of the place, spend a week there would be heaven & better than a holiday anywhere.
To bad you dont have a scarfing tip. Great video while eating breakfast
Always funny UA-cam surfers can nitpick and come up with their own ideas on how to fix stuff and yet none of them have their own channel. Yet this man has his own business, his own channel and puts his own time into it on how he would fix these items. All for people to either learn from or be entertained by. This is his choice his channel his business and his time. Keith keep up the the great work for the people that enjoy your videos. I hate to sound like a downer I just get tired of people complaining about others or judging the decisions they make when they do nothing to help teach or give ideas on how to fix problems that occur in the machine shop business.
With much respect cheers Keith.
Well said I couldn’t agree more. Full marks Keith most of us do appreciate the time and effort you put it Thanks
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I’d love a bit more “torch teach”. It’s hard to see the flame well on video. My knowledge of a well balanced neutral flame for cutting might be lacking a bit. I might be adding too much oxygen without the trigger depressed, I’m not sure. It’s difficult to get seat time for flame cutting. Both metal and fuel are pretty spendy. Not to mention super risky and messy in a small garage/shop.
Ok so heres the basics. Basically turn the Acetlyene up until you see the flame seperate from the tip. Just before that point is where you want that set. The oxy turn that up until the white portion is about 5-10mm from the end of the tip. Then hit the trigger for cutting and adjust it up until that is also now 5-10mm from the end. And you are good to go. Different tips will need different settings on the regulators and for some tip brands is actually engraved on the tip itself. 100kpa on Act and 200-700kpa on the Oxy for anything 10-100mm thick scaling lineally works fairly well.
i kind of am infrequent viewer, but i can see new haircut, shotren beard, no cap , some evolution
keep it up, you look great
Are you certain that's a recent video or one from his archive when he was a younger buck?
A friend of mine always used a carbon arc torch to do this job.
"I've progressed in age"😁. That's a good thing considering the alternative. Flannel lined pants sounds nice this time of year. Love the videos Keith
Pro tip : watch series at instaflixxer. Me and my gf have been using it for watching loads of movies lately.
@Baker Patrick yup, I've been using instaflixxer for since november myself =)
I’m 81 years old i designed and built and maintained rock crushing equipment for 50 years. There’s two kinds of people that keep you busy there’s the “ boy someone screwed that up “ and there’s. “ boy they got all the good out of that “ the someone’s and the they’s will keep you busy an other thing you can not fix anything you can only work on it when you do fix something you’ve just moved the weak point to a more expensive part. I’m also a machinist you’re a remarkable man i enjoy your videos
STOP JUDGING ME, KEITH! It was my fault. I take full responsibility. It was raining, sleet, muddy, I was mad, the boss was yelling at me, my wife was divorcing me, the sidewall of my tire ripped, I dented the fender changing it and then the damn adapter wouldn't fit. I just forced it in. I knew I broke it. I didn't tell anyone. Then it got worse. I forced it more. I'M SORRY!!!eleventy11!
A carbon arc torch would have made cleaner and quicker work of the removal. Your doing nice work . Work with the tools you have..
Makes me remember when I had the ArcAir available...effective but loud and dirty. Now I do the same as you...;-)
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It made no difference what I did when cutting with the torch I would get some slag on clothes and burn a hole in them and then ME! But loved the smell of the metal as it was cut. Same as with 7018 rods when welding.
Glad you didn't arc air it , noisy bloody things !
Good friend of mine while using a cutting torch the slag burnt thru the hose and set the back leg part of his coveralls on fire....very bad burn on the back of his leg....
Keith here in Florida the companies do not care about there equipment, they run there equipment till it breaks then they call a mechanic to fix it or a welding shop. We do not have skilled operators, when you pay a heavy equipment operator $12 bucks an hour nobody cares about the equipment they run. I watch operators use backhoes as battering rams beating the machine to death.The damage to equipment here would blow your mind its pitiful.I grew up in a construction family and we always did preventative maintenance and never beat our equipment.I tell the companies you need to do preventative maintenance on your equipment most laugh and say why waste the money its cheaper to fix it when its broke or go buy another machine.Not my mentality I prefer to take care of what I have pay a little at a time rather than a huge bill but hey that's me. As long as we have this mentality not to take care of equipment we will stay busy.
Enjoy the videos, like the new look. Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year hopefully 2020 will be a much better year.
$12 bucks an hour gets You twelve bucks worth of work an hour.
Great Video Keith. Who else these days teaches you about oxy-acetylene cutting torch settings. The need for a spark shield is never usually talked about. Yet, anyone who has ever used a gas burner, understands how much you will be burnt by dripping molten metal; dropping on the floor next to you.
You are right Keith , this damage from neglect is without excuse. End of story.
I see Amazon sells a Victor #2 bent cutting tip especially for flush cutting, dressing weld remnents, etc. I doctored mine so the oxy jet ran parallel to the surface to be saved with about 1/16" clearance. Saved a lot of grinding in awkward-to-reach places.
In the early '70's, I re-flanged and re-cambered several swaybacked low-boy trailers using a bent tip with the same kerf widening weave you demonstrated. And heat shrank the webs back to the original camber with a big rosebud tip. But I was a slave to my gas supplier. When I quoted the job I failed to figure in enough oxy and acetylene. Besides cutting off the flanges and straightening, there was the preheat for the low-alloy flange material. Many trips to Siler's. Didn't make a nickel.
The bent tip worked slick. I barely touched the edges of the webs.
Small world we work in..
Would I be correct in guessing that your Yankee scarfing tip is the same as an Aussie gouging tip?
@@Ropetangler More than likely, but for what little gouging I've had to do, I prefered carbon arc. Amputating ruined structure, stuck bolts, and other flush cutting situation where heat, and flying slag aren't inhibiting factors, I always preferred my doctored flush cutting O/A tip. I eventually used that tip up. I was never able to make a replacement as satisfactory. Makes me wonder what I did right, back when.
Scarfing here in the land where people talk funny refers to beveling an edge usually to an acute angle. Like a prep for a spelter brazed lap joint in old time coppersmithing. There's also scarfing where thinner plate butts to thicker and it's desirable for stress distribution to have a tapered transition. This kind of scarfing would be very difficult to do free-hand with any kind of a O/A torch. I'd have to use a track burner if machining the tapered scarf wasn't practical.
Before anyone gets the notion I'm an old time fabricator, I'm not. But I've done some fancy work in most all the metal trades. I'm no fool: I was very smart about seeking expert advise when I needed it and followed it to a (usually) successful conclusion. Word to the strivers: never miss a chance to pump the brains of people wiser or of wider experience than you. You never know when some odd bit of normally unrelated information will save your bacon.
You’ll want to weld/tack a spreader bar across the top of those to keep them aligned and put a spreader bar between all the bosses, that will also help to keep everything on the nuts. You may have to use a porta-power to get the spreader bar out from in between the ears/bosses...
Good luck n lookin good.
Ps. What happened to the beard...?
I cleared the face to match life change. ;{)
New shop heater working well 😁. Great job for this time of the year in the northern hemisphere.
Great work, thanks for sharing.
i can just picture this piece of machinery sitting off to the side of the shops building lot where they keep the equipment, and this part is off a machine that is considered the shops beater. Anyone that was caught greasing it or trying to make a repair was considered wasting their company's time and to "JUST RUN IT!" Time is money! I just love that mentality ...not, but in some respects i guess i get it from a money stand point. Grease is cheap, labor and material is expensive. Great videos Keith! I really respect your honor with the pledge in the beginning of your videos too.
@@joeylawn36111 I don't know where my cents character is but I have more or less heard of saving cents and costing dollars.
Intentional disregard is what keeps me in business. in fact I encourage it! :)
Would love to see the grinding prep on the flame cut
A new mindset in certain industries in to let it run 'til failure. They think it saves money over regular/preventative maintenance in the long run. The same steam condensate pump was replace 4 times in the 10 years I worked in one building! The pumps were never greased, just ran them until they failed then replaced them. A set of lift station pumps were installed, and grease lines installed to above grade to eliminate the need to enter the confined space for maintenance. Never greased then finally replaced. At the end of one project we were required by the Government to send every piece of purchased equipment to disposal, not salvage or recycle. WE WASTE OUR WEALTH IN THIS NATION! Loving the machining, and welding, on this project to save a piece of equipment.
Блиннннн, постригся, бороду подстриг, причесался, нуууу, честно, помолодел!!!!. Респект и Уважение тебе.
Blinnnnnn, cut his hair, cut his beard, combed his hair, well, honestly, he rejuvenated !!!!. Respect and Respect to you.
What size bottles do you have, Keith? That was a good deal of cutting. Lots of oxygen flowing. How often do you exchange?
Large set and I use up the set in a month or two between exchanges. ;{)
I just filled my large set last spring and i payed 350.00$ for oxygen and acetylene,the acetylene was filled in Canada.
Great torch work, where I used to work before retiring we used a cutting torch a lot nothing ever came off with a wrench.
The ol' liquid spanner is never the wrong size am I right?
Nothing like a SMOKE WRENCH FOR STUBBORN PARTS!
In the yard that I worked the rule was. No phone, no cameras, no standing around. So I don't have any thing to show from my working years. It is a shame lots of great memories .
After your 6 minute dissertation on who is responsible, it is the supervisor of the machine. That person is the party whose in control and should have the authority to ID the problem and fix it. That is the problem NO ONE OWNS UP and NO ONE GETS DINGED. In the military it is different.
Hi Keith - I think that you nailed it with "A Decent Operator to know there's an issue". There is a hell of a lot more to it than sitting in a seat and pulling levers. Videos like this one (I hope) will help people to think more about whatever kind of machine or vehicle they are operating. [edited bit - Could you do an added video to teach people about the use of Gouging Nozzles please - I learnt the hard way cutting Limber Holes in steel boats but this job would have been a good example]. Thanks for sharing with us - Have a Safe and Merry Christmas.
Ran a bobcat skid steer for over 20 yrs. First thing I always did, besides check the fluids, was grease each and every grease fitting. While I did all that, I still checked over all those "hinge" pin points. Everyone at my former job used to give me a hard time because, I'd always raise and lower the boom arms, raise and lower the bucket. I was doing a multiple of things while I did that. Checked for any "sloppiness" and seeing how the machine was going to run for the day. Yes, sometimes those machines would operate a bit finicky at times, just had to know how it was going to operate for the day. If there's going to be a "blame game", it should always fall onto the operator. It's his/her responsibility to ensure that the maintenance was done and done proper. As a former operator, I had that option to refuse to operate that machine until it was fixed and fixed correctly.
Keith, you're a true professional at what you do, this is why I enjoy your channel. Always learning something new from just watching and listening to what you're saying and pointing out. Cheers :)
Could you have used the plasma cutter here? In the UK our main supplier BOC asks for hundreds of £'s of rent for bottles every year alone, (you never own them) let alone cost of gas and consumables. I think they're pricing themselves out of the market, gas cutting, welding and brazing will always be another useful tool, but will be gone one day altogether, maybe.Good to see a professional using such tools correctly. Your eyes are a lot better than mine now.
The ones that run them usually cant fix them. Not universal in that statement, but common. And they don't realize what it takes to repair this kind of damage. I have repaired many in 40 yrs.Air arc works great for this type of job,but not all have one.Great job by the way!
I've never had a problem with restricted flow using the mixer with integral backflow preventers, even running a rosebud. Sounds like something may be wrong with the particular one you have. How big of a rosebud tip are you using? But if your trusty old one works fine, no reason to change it.
very very professional work mr fenner
Keith, don't you own a hypertherm? And a large stick welder? Wouldn't that have been a million times faster, easier and cheaper to gouge off? Those hypotherms remove large welds like a spoon scooping ice cream with minimal mess on the gouging function.
Hi Keith, Thanks for your interesting and informative videos. Just wanted to know if you think that maybe a "gouging " tip on your plasma cutter may have done a quicker and cleaner job on that piece?
I've got a stupid stuff cutoff line too. Most of the people in my life just zoom right under that line.
Hello Keith I do not know if you have time to watch videos There are some Russians have UA-cam channel Called ЗАВОД КОВШЕЙ. They know how to replace bucket ears, Build buckets. They kind of remind shipyards in the 80s. No safety glasses just get the work done. There is a slight language barrier but it is pretty self explanatory. They are very good/Entertaining.
Whats the fuss on whos to blame on this worn out piece of equipment ? 👀
We donno the background so all kinds of speculations of whos to blame is ridicolous. 😒
We can see its worn out and in need of repair and someone is willing to pay Mr Fenner the job to restore it.
Period.
Lets follow this quite interesting rebuild - thats the point 😋
RE the maintenance thing, several jobs I have worked on the watchword has been production, production, this usually means you run your machinery until it pops, hopefully when it does, the parts have been ordered and received and it can be done straight away. Many times I have babied a machine till the weekend maintainence day. Often you have to run a sick machine because if you stop everyone else has to stop !
Sometimes its not always the operator. Sometimes its the company fighting you because of the shut down time
Good call on the dipper swing. I've got a 60's Case 450 crawler with a backhoe attachment. The swing cylinders are wallowed out and the bucket moves 6"-8" when everything is only 1/2 way extended. I don't use it to make money but its very annoying. I've got to pull them and rework them.
Not only annoying but you can't do precise work and possibly a safety issue.
May be it would be better for
these guys to have extras that way they could just through it away and use a new one every time. That machine must be down in a pit and it never comes out. Even if they just had spare pin bushings and worst case new clevis’s cut outs ready to go. There are some dummies out there with monies that don’t care to buy grease. Same way with leaks burn up engine or hydraulics with no maintenance or gun decked maintenace
I was thinking perhaps a video on a P.P.D. welders articulated chaps made of Aluminum segmented like jousting armor
Try a gouge/scarfing tip. Made just for this. Straight cut the ear off then clean with gouge tip. Or you can remove the weld. Like a air arc but with more heat input.
You should invest in a gouger it is easier to use and you gouge the weld it is a lot cheaper and a lot faster. I think you all ready know this seeing you worked on the docks.Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Love your videos.
But I've worked for companies where there was complaints about the maintenance and the company would not fix machines until they broke operators report it and the company never fixes it
I have to disagree with you on who is to blame for letting that go that far. It its the owner. If he fails to convey his expectations and fails to do follow-up there is only one place to point the finger. It may have been that they decided this was a disposable piece and then changed their mind. Off the hook?
Another way to repair this would be to make and weld 2 flanged inserts after you line bore oversized holes and straighten the brackets. The flanges will be welded to the original metal and sized to accept the new bushings with a press fit.
I rebuilt so many pieces of equipment i hate t remember But I would have used a Air-Arc torch
and made the ears out of T1 steel.. mild steel will bend like peanut butter.
I observed on your cleanup cut, you held the torch head around the curve and angled the tip slightly down sweeping. That let you cut closer. I did not notice anybody else commenting on that. Been there, done that.
If Keith says you've crossed a line, you'd better check your self.
You are right it is a team responsibly for preventive maintenance. Keeping things greases lubed etc and report anything that is wearing out or broke down...
I just noticed you lost a bit of chin hair. Had to go back a few videos to see when that happened. Merry Christmas Keith.
I'd like to see the Machine in operation. Before and after.
you should invest in a gouging tip best 30 or 40 bucks you would spend and a lot faster i think since you are only removing the welds not cutting thru the whole piece!!
i dont think his compressor is big enough for one unfortunatley
@@dphillips705 Adding a receiver (another storage tank) would help to alleviate that problem.
Hope all is well my friend. You have some of the best videos, due to your fantastic work and taking us along for the ride while clearly explaining what you're doing (& why). Thanks!
Hello Keith,
Good points on maintanence, some of that could be contributed to poor design. The pivot nearest the hydraulic cylinder had the most wear.
I did a video on my worn bushing on my old Sheldon lathe. I was lucky the wear didnt get into the casting but it was very worn. As always a video packed with information.
Mike - Plus8Precision
some operators do not receive the proper training. some get on a machine and think they are the best operator with out learning from someone that has experience. In the end you can tell if the operator is good by the amount of damage he or she cause on the equipment. At the end you profit from it.
I realize this is a little late but did yo consider using a gouge tip on the torch when cutting the ears off. If you could go outside you can cut the welds and reduce risk of cutting into the base piece.
I think you're great. But. There is always a but.... Your gas axe skills leave a little something to be desired.
Keith, I found the easiest way to clean the tips, is using the long tip cleaners from the inside out, and using the tool the squares and flattens the end.
There are a lot of " Little Trumps " out there . Busy " fixing the blame instead of fixing the problem "
Hello Keith. I've seen the fault lie on both sides. I started working at my dad's shop (trucking and heavy equipment) when I was 12. Preventative maintenance (especially greasing) was like a religion there. He made sure everyone had a grease gun and access to grease. Not greasing a machine would result in termination. Needless to say we replaced very few pins and bushings. I have worked at other places where the owners would not supply grease guns or grease to operators. I guess they expected the employee to supply the grease and grease guns. In those cases the owner gets what he deserves. I live in the best of both worlds. I like to see machines properly looked after (it makes me feel good to see that). On the other hand when they don't look after them it creates interesting work for my shop. I can't lose. Ken
Sounds like your dad was a very smart man and you for following him.
Some people have a yule log burning on the screen for Christmas. I may use this video.
Blame game? Maybe it was not a failure at all. Maybe it was a sacrifice that needed to made until cash flow increased.
Looking forward to next disregarded video. Merry Christmas to you Keith!
Sir I have to tell you something! I am the mechanic in a small Company; once a bushing at a 15 (metric) ton excavator was very bad, the smallest wall thickness was like paper…. you know what i mean! My boss asked me what i am doing, when i removed the pin. i showed him the Problem, he said something like that doesent matter and pin plus bushings are too expensive. i went crazy with him so that he went to his car and drove home! The next day he came to me and said that i were Right, some days later someone told me that he asked him if repairs like you do now are really that expensive... since then i am very carefull to blame someone, could be the Operator, the mechanic and even the boss
That is a poor design having only one strut offset to one side, puts an uneven load on the attachment.
That is no excuse for letting it get that bad.
Owner operated tools last much longer than employee operated tools.
Just like home owner vs renter.
There is plenty of plant equipment out there that is being run into the ground by the owners that figure we can do the maintenance when the item breaks.
@jacktheripped it sounds cheaper until you learn that the part you need isn't in the country.. Will find out if it's available elsewhere. Next day get a phone call, nope it can be back ordered... ETA unknown.
Been there in other fields... We need less MBAs and bean counters but more engineers in managerial roles
OPM. Usually other people's money. In this instance, other people's machine. They just don't care. They don't notice. They don't give a darn.
Always nice to see a professional at work, better yet to see one working and teaching at the same time!
I wonder if one of those new LENOX carbide sawsall blades could of cut the ears off also.
good morning Keith, Good points about the arm chair quarter backs passing the buck. Looks like a good repair so far. I can't wait to see if the weld broke or the steel had failed. looks to me like the weld was cold when laid down. I seen a lot of the same thing in my shop for the last 35 years as well. Keep up with the good work and Merry Christmas.
hey keith the mike was set a bit loud and sounded harsh maibe set it away from youre mouth a little or place it a little to the side or put a little tape over it to dampen it
Curiosity Keith what did you set your oxygen & acetylene gauges at.
12 and 25, plus and minus some. ;{)
@@KeithFenner way off
12 is way too much acetylene
acetylene should be about 8 and oxygen for one in plate should be 35 to 40
It may be needed to get proper flow with the length of hose and the very restrictive spark arrester setup ?
Hi Keith,sometime its the only machine you have that big and you need it every day.And when it brakes then you fix it.We call it run to fail.
Keith if you had to remove lot's of structial part's i use carbon air arc of course that's a out side job and you must use ear protection that's a must .🎄🎅 Have a wonderful Christmas and New year.
You should keep a rivet/flush cutting tip on hand if you don’t already have one nice and close with one pass. I know it would be too messy in the shop but if it was easier to handle it would be nice just to arc air it off.
Thank Keith - interesting series. Merry Christmas.
Sometimes things get lost in it way up the chain to get approval to repair equipment. Sadly operators have been injured because of it. I would think it was more likely team failure
I agree with you
This shows a total lack of maintenance and now not only are they paying you for the repair work they are also losing money for a machine that is not serviceable
Absolutely unacceptable
Nice torch work Keith.
Why not use air carbon arc and blow the old welds off?
The team was rich. they thought we continue because than the repair wil cost 10 times more
Always job security for guys like Keith. :-)
Just noticed the chin ! 😱
Looking more traditional for a man of our age.
Not judging 😉😎
Steve Williams - that’s non-awkward-man-code for “Lookin good”, haha.
Bro luv ?