The best way Microsoft could have explained these agents is by putting them to use for their own business, and show the results! It is easy to talk about agents, but whether they perform to do the tasks as intended is a whole another story. For that matter, I'd say the same thing about any company releasing AI Agents.
The hope for smaller startups is data security and privacy. Many companies that I'm talking to have concerns about what amounts to corporate espionage hidden within updated terms of use. Sure, sales, customer service and marketing are primed for AI, but that's all public data anyway. Many are still surprised at the scale of the scraping for research now being resold via subscription. No one is trusting legacy technology providers to just process IP but never use it for training data. That trust is not easily recovered. Startups that can deliver the similar services with better security and privacy may still have a path to remain competitive.
So you're telling me, if i could make similar agents as these and tell them their data will be deleted within a certain time period, people would want these agents? I could do that. Whose data are we deleting anyway, surely the client's end-users? So that means their name and contact info incl email etc. But then you can't really build a marketing campaign without that. It'd be good for the users/consumers but it wouldnt be for businesses. Since it will be a single use case. I mean yeah I could pull the data somewhere else or store it locally for example, but is that good enough? You'd still have the data.
This feels like the 2022 “Power Automate will get a CoPilot” rebranded. It’s not bad, I’m glad they are pushing a low code UI. From what I played with, it’s pretty limited in current form (a system prompt, and a cache of uploaded data)
Copilot Studio is an evolution of what was called Power Virtual Agents (PVA) - a technology platform that was introduced with the bot framework that was used heavily by Dynamics and Power Platform professionals. Last note - Dynamics is the branding for the business system support that Microsoft created/acquired since the 2000s. It supports companies as small as 5 users and moves all the way into what is called Enterprise customers (multi-billion dollar in revenue). Dynamics is a 6 billion dollar a year division in Microsoft - its 10x smaller then Office but is a large contributor to Microsofts overall revenue picture.
Sam, I work for a large corporation where only Microsoft AI is allowed (for security reasons, I assume). We have Copilot integrated into our 365 environment, but in practice, it works very slowly and output is avarage. Personally, I prefer creating my own workflows in Python after work, using different LLMs -my favorite being Claude Sonnet. Maybe this new update will be better, but so far, I’m not a fan of Microsoft’s approach.
haha This is MS being A holes about it and spitting out sabpar products just to be relevant lol Thanks for this comment, gives hope to the devs who are working on products like this!
Most the big companies jump in quickly and then iterate. For me the most interesting thing here is they are probably choosing ideas given to them by their customers. Copilot seems to have done a pivot from being a ChatGPT style thing to something more agentic. If you get time checkout the conversation on VentureBeat we talked about these things.
I think it's interesting in terms of agents being "triggered" to be responsible for doing a process from end to end and probably involve a human where necessary. I'm just guessing as I have not seen the Ignite videos or the Venture Beat discuss (which I will, thank you for that). I think it would be even more interesting how Microsoft is going to do the triggering because as I imagine they're talking about some API but that seems limited which may be the point of their strategy. They could open it up by adding events to a stream or message queue where agents could listen for events they need to respond to and so any vendor or start-up could write agents and add value to those events. Just a thought. Thanks for sharing this one, it's an interesting bit of news.
I think this is where their power with internal and 3rd party integrations comes in. They could set it up to be triggered by receiving and email or a variety of hooks etc in other pieces of software.
@@mead42 that's what I'm saying. honestly platforms won't matter. you think everyone who's on microsoft softwares even knows what the hell all this even means for them, let alone operate these things? in the end it's service businesses that will be the providers for everything in the future, at least in terms of AI solutions and apps. the LLMs will be there as the core source from where everything gets pulled from/post-trained on. APIs will reign supreme. and ultimately, businesses and everyday people will still need someone to layer all of these things for them.
Oh look, they're replacing roles one by one. I bet their goal is to stand up a fully-autonomous company - or at least be able to say that they could if they wanted to.
Agents are coming. They struggle a bit until they engage with a truth seeking agent. Then return back to source of origin to test its “information reality “ after encountering a significant anomaly that would cause it to hallucinate or remain silent. This is not the same as a LLM model. Not even close. Best practice is to assume agents will align towards truth in order to act accordingly not default protocol. Regardless. Agents are coming. It is unwise to assume them at all. Jeremy
Woe to you, O earth and sea. For the devil sends the beast with fear. Because he knows his days are numbered. Let the one who has understood the AI development calculate its consequences. Because it will have far-reaching consequences, especially for operating systems.
who care ? Big corps just want to secure their bags. And if thing turn out not pretty well, they'll hire someone else to clean up and pretend like they did nothing wrong since they have sheet ton of money.
Definitely not. These agents only automate email sending. All other activities they perform were automated by various systems years ago. I receive hundreds of automated emails every week, and they all go straight to the spam folder.
@fabioa8059 They will learn everything from coding to deploying code to production to emailing eventually based on how much money firm is willing to invest in agents to fire lot of people. They can do 30 step obstacle challenges that only 15% of developers can do 😂
"Reduce costs" and "increase efficiency" = reduce headcount. Almost always.
this time ai agents are the final boss of softwares
Agent Smith is my favorite
The best way Microsoft could have explained these agents is by putting them to use for their own business, and show the results! It is easy to talk about agents, but whether they perform to do the tasks as intended is a whole another story. For that matter, I'd say the same thing about any company releasing AI Agents.
The hope for smaller startups is data security and privacy. Many companies that I'm talking to have concerns about what amounts to corporate espionage hidden within updated terms of use. Sure, sales, customer service and marketing are primed for AI, but that's all public data anyway. Many are still surprised at the scale of the scraping for research now being resold via subscription. No one is trusting legacy technology providers to just process IP but never use it for training data. That trust is not easily recovered. Startups that can deliver the similar services with better security and privacy may still have a path to remain competitive.
Thank you
So you're telling me, if i could make similar agents as these and tell them their data will be deleted within a certain time period, people would want these agents? I could do that. Whose data are we deleting anyway, surely the client's end-users? So that means their name and contact info incl email etc. But then you can't really build a marketing campaign without that. It'd be good for the users/consumers but it wouldnt be for businesses. Since it will be a single use case.
I mean yeah I could pull the data somewhere else or store it locally for example, but is that good enough? You'd still have the data.
This feels like the 2022 “Power Automate will get a CoPilot” rebranded.
It’s not bad, I’m glad they are pushing a low code UI. From what I played with, it’s pretty limited in current form (a system prompt, and a cache of uploaded data)
Really exciting stuff
Agent can be like a personal assistant/secretary. We will have Agent designer in the future as a job I think.
Copilot Studio is an evolution of what was called Power Virtual Agents (PVA) - a technology platform that was introduced with the bot framework that was used heavily by Dynamics and Power Platform professionals. Last note - Dynamics is the branding for the business system support that Microsoft created/acquired since the 2000s. It supports companies as small as 5 users and moves all the way into what is called Enterprise customers (multi-billion dollar in revenue). Dynamics is a 6 billion dollar a year division in Microsoft - its 10x smaller then Office but is a large contributor to Microsofts overall revenue picture.
Sam, I work for a large corporation where only Microsoft AI is allowed (for security reasons, I assume). We have Copilot integrated into our 365 environment, but in practice, it works very slowly and output is avarage. Personally, I prefer creating my own workflows in Python after work, using different LLMs -my favorite being Claude Sonnet. Maybe this new update will be better, but so far, I’m not a fan of Microsoft’s approach.
haha This is MS being A holes about it and spitting out sabpar products just to be relevant lol Thanks for this comment, gives hope to the devs who are working on products like this!
Most the big companies jump in quickly and then iterate. For me the most interesting thing here is they are probably choosing ideas given to them by their customers. Copilot seems to have done a pivot from being a ChatGPT style thing to something more agentic. If you get time checkout the conversation on VentureBeat we talked about these things.
thanks for sharing 👍👍👍
I think it's interesting in terms of agents being "triggered" to be responsible for doing a process from end to end and probably involve a human where necessary. I'm just guessing as I have not seen the Ignite videos or the Venture Beat discuss (which I will, thank you for that). I think it would be even more interesting how Microsoft is going to do the triggering because as I imagine they're talking about some API but that seems limited which may be the point of their strategy. They could open it up by adding events to a stream or message queue where agents could listen for events they need to respond to and so any vendor or start-up could write agents and add value to those events. Just a thought. Thanks for sharing this one, it's an interesting bit of news.
I think this is where their power with internal and 3rd party integrations comes in. They could set it up to be triggered by receiving and email or a variety of hooks etc in other pieces of software.
Why do people still think they will have a job. What does this mean? Only creativity is left. Hope your a dreamer cos that's huge value
If AI gets good enough to take your job, then its good enough to use and create your own startup
@@mead42 that's what I'm saying. honestly platforms won't matter. you think everyone who's on microsoft softwares even knows what the hell all this even means for them, let alone operate these things? in the end it's service businesses that will be the providers for everything in the future, at least in terms of AI solutions and apps. the LLMs will be there as the core source from where everything gets pulled from/post-trained on. APIs will reign supreme. and ultimately, businesses and everyday people will still need someone to layer all of these things for them.
is there an agent that answers phones?
I saw one that attend zoom meetings for you with a clone of your face and voice. 😂
It's called bhuman if I remember correctly
Oh look, they're replacing roles one by one. I bet their goal is to stand up a fully-autonomous company - or at least be able to say that they could if they wanted to.
These sound like just business rules and not necessarily AI agents. Is there true autonomy?
Business rules are to define the trigger and call to action. AI bit is where it does the action autonomously.
So, zapier?
This is going to fk a lot of peoples jobs.
You lost me at Microsoft...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
😂😂😂🎉
Easily lost
I don't think Microsoft will miss you..
What if startups cash out and use the Microsoft agents to make a better startup? 😅
It will be challenging because you have to use the connections that go through Microsoft. so you are using their front end etc
Eventually we’ll be able to replace Government services with fully automated agent teams 😅
No more taxes and bureaucracy!?
Govt. Robots need to be paid!
What about term limits? Could be a problem.
Why do you use acronyms that nobody knows what they are. What is a CRM?
Customer Relationship Management.
Overviews are really pointless. People want details, otherwise they will move on to another platform that provides solutions and not simply hype.
Agents are coming.
They struggle a bit until they engage with a truth seeking agent.
Then return back to source of origin to test its “information reality “
after encountering a significant anomaly that would cause it to hallucinate or remain silent.
This is not the same as a LLM model.
Not even close.
Best practice is to assume agents will align towards truth in order to act accordingly not default protocol.
Regardless.
Agents are coming. It is unwise to assume them at all.
Jeremy
Are these agents available for free?
I don’t think so, they are part of their paid products
Microsoft shouldn't be allowed within a million miles of A.I. 👈😀
wtf ,Big tech destroying the opportunity for small startups! WDYT?
They are out to kill google and salesforce lol
Woe to you, O earth and sea. For the devil sends the beast with fear. Because he knows his days are numbered. Let the one who has understood the AI development calculate its consequences. Because it will have far-reaching consequences, especially for operating systems.
who care ? Big corps just want to secure their bags. And if thing turn out not pretty well, they'll hire someone else to clean up and pretend like they did nothing wrong since they have sheet ton of money.
agent is just a prompt, why they charge $70/month?
Agents will make every job irrelevant in 5-10 years.
Definitely not. These agents only automate email sending. All other activities they perform were automated by various systems years ago. I receive hundreds of automated emails every week, and they all go straight to the spam folder.
@fabioa8059 They will learn everything from coding to deploying code to production to emailing eventually based on how much money firm is willing to invest in agents to fire lot of people.
They can do 30 step obstacle challenges that only 15% of developers can do 😂
It's just a toy. Looks good on surface, blows irl
All is already long lost