How To Stop Spinning Turning Or Skates Getting Suck In Ice When Hockey Stopping

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  • @TheLarryBrown
    @TheLarryBrown Рік тому +12

    4:30 Practicing outside edge at a standstill. Put rear skate in a spread eagle position and shave.
    5:30 Practicing inside edge scrape. Move sideways, scraping inside edge. then do it with a continuous moving sideways, using a hopping motion.
    7:35 Practicing alternate inside edges, moving in one direction, turning to face opposite directions on each foot.
    7:50 Practicing outside edge with inverted snowplow, you could also think if that as an inverted T stop. Actually what we call a "T-stop" is really an inverted T stop since the T is upside down.
    9:48 pause the picture here and you can see how the shaving leg is leaning backwards but the torso is leaning forward. That's the required shape of the hockey stop.
    10:35 Constant drill of the inverted snowplow. Notice that to get the scrape you have to bend the knee of the gliding leg
    10:50 Problem #1: Edges digging in.
    11:25 Problem #2: Turning instead of stopping

  • @TheLarryBrown
    @TheLarryBrown Рік тому +7

    Obviously, fantastic video. I've watched many UA-cam videos on the hockey stop and this one is by far the most detailed. Excellent job and I love all those "break it down" exercises you covered and I can't wait to try them all. In spite of the seemingly exhaustive detail of the video, several important points were not covered: 1: Learning to snow plow with just your forward foot. Most right handers will want their right foot forward, thereby turning their toes to the left when stopping. In that case, a first step is gliding forward on the left foot, then lift the right blade off the ice, turn the right toe inwards (towards the left) and VERY LIGHTLY scrape the inside edge of the right toe on the ice while continuing to move forward. This is relatively easy to learn and gets you used to the feeling of scraping the ice. As you get better you can learn to put more pressure on that blade. 2: A critical point not mentioned in this video is that you scrape the toe of the blade across the ice, both blades, and avoid putting pressure on the heel of the blade. If the heel of the blade is pressing into the ice the blade will grab and try to turn you. This is a key, critical point oddly glossed over by this video. 3: This video, and most others, stresses that you must lean backwards in order to angle the blades on the ice and lift the outside edge (forward foot) and inside edge (back foot) off the ice so that only the desired edge scrapes. Anyone will interpret that as leaning back with the entire body, including the torso, but that's wrong. That will put your weight way too far backwards and make things difficult or impossible. What they leave out is that only the bottom of your body leans back. Your torso actually needs to lean forward. In that way your weight is driven down onto the skates, rather than behind the skates, causing you to fall backwards. 4: The exercise shown on how to learn to scrape the outside edge of the trailing foot is awesome and I've never seen anyone else teach that type of exercise, and I'm sure it's useful and I can't wait to try it. However there is a more common and easier exercise to learn that skill, and that's simply to practice a T stop with that rear foot. For right handers that would mean practice a T stop with the left foot. Glide forwards on your right foot, lift your left blade from the ice and point the left toes outwards, that is, to the left. This makes an inverted T shape with your feet. Now VERY LIGHTLY use just the pinky toe to scrape the outer edge of the toe of the left blade on the ice while continuing to glide forward. This will get you used to scraping that outer edge. As you get better you can learn to put more pressure on it. 5: One other helpful tip is to learn to hockey stop on just your lead foot and forget about your rear foot until later. Some teachers may not approve of this, but it may allow some students to develop a workable one-foot hockey stop quicker and then they can use that while they work on the trailing foot. 6: This video, like most hockey videos, stresses the importance of a wide stance. In absence of further instruction, that will cause a person to skate on their inside edges, which is something you don't want to learn to do. Even with a wide stance, you need to put equal weight on both edges of the blades. To do that, you will need to angle your ankles so that although your legs are slanted like an inverted V, the skates contact the ice flat rather than putting most pressure on the inside edges. If you look at beginner skaters at the rink, you will see that skating on the inside edge is what everyone is doing. However look at the skater in this video while he is demonstrating the wide stance, he is angling his ankles and the blades are flat on the ice. No one ever mentions that.

    • @bryanwells4063
      @bryanwells4063 Рік тому +1

      wow thank you so much for this, I always thought I was a decent skater but ive never been able to perform a hockey stop, and I also regretfully fall into the category of "beginners" who skate on the inside edge, even though I am fairly proficient at it (I have good balance and control, can skate fast and perform t-stops, or a goofy spin that eventually makes me stop, but not a proper hockey stop) I can certainly see how keeping the balance on both skates can be applied even at faster speeds, I never really thought about using a wider stance since I just stay on the inside edges and push as fast as I can. Thanks for the comment, it will probably help me to learn the hockey stop in the once every two months that I can go skating nowadays (I live in florida now but I used to live in Ohio on a lake and would spend the entire winter skating around on the neighbors hockey rink they would prepare in their backyard on the frozen lake)

  • @shellyniks3060
    @shellyniks3060 8 років тому +56

    Great clear instructions, with helpful common mistakes covered! Going to watch your other tutorials now.
    thanks

  • @AnEducator
    @AnEducator 9 років тому +90

    This has to be one of the most instructive videos on stopping drills. Explanations are simply brilliant! You have a new subscriber:)

    • @HockeyTutorialOfficial
      @HockeyTutorialOfficial  9 років тому +9

      +AnEducator Glad we could help, thank you for watching.

    • @DRFEELGOOD66
      @DRFEELGOOD66 4 роки тому

      @@HockeyTutorialOfficial at 8:08 of the video, you say 'stopping to the right', but you are point to the left and your body would be sliding to the left...I'm confused by this. I've seen/heard you say it twice in this video and once in an older video of yours. Please explain when you have time. Thanks bruv!

    • @denizcoskun3224
      @denizcoskun3224 4 роки тому

      @@DRFEELGOOD66 he's turning himself to the right, try to look from his side

  • @nickching5497
    @nickching5497 11 років тому +147

    Does'nt Work Its Been Patched

  • @Dracuvindepeste
    @Dracuvindepeste 2 роки тому +2

    This is the best hockey stop tutorial on youtube. End of story.
    Hello from 2022

  • @qbson79
    @qbson79 4 роки тому +6

    Wow, thanks. I watched it in the morning and now, after 1h of practice, I'm more or less able to do hockey stop :) You made my day!

  • @oromisszane
    @oromisszane 4 роки тому +5

    I'm sitting here replaying that beautiful little stop you did at 10:35

  • @HockeyTutorialOfficial
    @HockeyTutorialOfficial  12 років тому +1

    It depends on if you are an inline skater, freestyle skater or aggressive skater. You'll need to get the skates that fit your profile. If you want to get into the hockey style of skating (power skating) or general rec skating, hockey skates are better.

  • @Vongola10Cd
    @Vongola10Cd 5 років тому +2

    Incredibly helpful. Pinpoints the problems I’m facing with stops. Thank you!

  • @raymonwhite3340
    @raymonwhite3340 5 місяців тому

    I'm sure this will help some people, but this reminds me I'm glad I learned to skate playing pond hockey while too young to think about the mechanics, they just sort of happened.
    I noticed goalies doing side to side shaving of the ice to rough up their crease.
    I began doing this a bit and got super comfortable with my edges. Started to just take several aggressive strides and apply those edges faster and faster.
    Next thing you know, full length sprints the lefter length of the ice and a slight hop into the stopping position and ice spraying to the top of the glass, then blasting back the other direction instantly.
    Once you master the move, your game will exponentially improve. How you get to that point of improvement is really about comfort. Find what works while keeping you confident and you'll improve greatly.
    Best of luck out there and stay safe everybody.

  • @NanaSun934
    @NanaSun934 8 років тому +1

    this is massively useful. thanks so much. will try again tmrw. i have been turning everytime i try to stop. and couldnt figure out why. i watched so many stop video and this one is definitely the best.

  • @hen555
    @hen555 12 років тому +93

    how do i get the ice to spray the snow higher while hockey stopping? I want to impress some girls lol

    • @scott2851
      @scott2851 6 років тому +9

      hen555 dig your skate farther in ice

    • @clementchang7319
      @clementchang7319 4 роки тому +4

      move your leg further then your body a bit than usual and use more force on your leg to stop

    • @haydenpowell2555
      @haydenpowell2555 4 роки тому +2

      Speed and deep lean

    • @ChvnteG
      @ChvnteG 4 роки тому +4

      Did you manage? Lol

    • @SK-ow4vw
      @SK-ow4vw 4 роки тому +23

      If you really think that the girl you want is one that is impressed with your spray height - I'm afraid you are in for a very unfortunate family life.

  • @StillAliveAndKicking_
    @StillAliveAndKicking_ 7 років тому +3

    Good video. I like the outside edge drill, one to try. My outside edges are lousy. By the way, I have tried many times to register with your forum, and it always comes up with an error. I've tried with Mozilla and IE on a PC, and on an iPad too, same error.

  • @markproulx1472
    @markproulx1472 3 роки тому

    Terrific video. I’m going to try these during my next trip to the rink.

  • @logancole7288
    @logancole7288 5 років тому +2

    I have been playing hockey for 3 years now, and I can only stop on one side. This has helped me to try and learn how to stop on my opposite side! Thank You!

    • @amysuresh4292
      @amysuresh4292 3 роки тому

      Same I cannot even stop on my left foot the hockey stop only works on my right foot.

  • @milicakekic5438
    @milicakekic5438 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much, the detail you put into explaining everything is amazing. Perfect

  • @davewright7037
    @davewright7037 4 роки тому +1

    Good video. Breaking down each movement is critical for developing fundamentals and you did that really well. The audio level was not consistent though.

  • @HockeyTutorialOfficial
    @HockeyTutorialOfficial  12 років тому +6

    I have a video on that, search my youtube channel for "how to spray" Don't forget to subscribe so you'll always know when i post a new video.

  • @demoNdeath18
    @demoNdeath18 12 років тому +1

    I want to be a freestyle skater.. I just need some advice what kind of ice skates do I need to it or can any ice skate be used for freestyling?

  • @killingstreak13
    @killingstreak13 10 років тому +12

    I cant do it i will just stop but fall over and ram into barriers

  • @JeffreyJeffreyFLF
    @JeffreyJeffreyFLF 9 років тому +1

    ok, this is far better hockey stop tutorial video than the other one.

  • @leannec6821
    @leannec6821 2 роки тому

    Thank you! Your tutorial is very helpful!!

  • @Fightoo
    @Fightoo 2 роки тому

    This is gold. Thank you for the level of detail!

  • @Fexone718
    @Fexone718 7 років тому

    just wanna say ty... I been playing roller hockey for 20 yea or so. I'm making the switch over and im struggling some. this video def gives me some drills to help with my struggle. ty sir !!!!!!!!!

  • @sbmh2001
    @sbmh2001 2 роки тому

    Good one. Thanks for sharing

  • @nicolasfrl6543
    @nicolasfrl6543 Рік тому

    This was very clear, thank you, I hope I can finally do a hockey stop next time I'm skating !

  • @ninjamasterflex
    @ninjamasterflex 3 роки тому

    I subbed. Just joined an adult hockey league here in Alaska and I’m trying to learn to stop and skate backwards. Been watching your vids to help me out.

    • @amysuresh4292
      @amysuresh4292 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah just lean in and turn and too afraid to fall wear padding and a helmet while skating you wanna protect your head. I finally got the hockey stop little bit snappier

    • @ninjamasterflex
      @ninjamasterflex 3 роки тому

      @@amysuresh4292 I think I got it somewhat. It’s not pretty but I’m getting there. Being in the army we been busy so don’t get to practice as much as I’d like to

  • @demoNdeath18
    @demoNdeath18 12 років тому +1

    Hey bro, first of all thanks for all the tutorials you did, I subscribed ofc, I just want to ask is it possible to be good at ice skating freestyle with roces sk2 skates? And do you think that it would be easier with some hockey skates? I mean, I just need your opinion.

  • @yangyang2000
    @yangyang2000 11 років тому +4

    cool effect there at the end

  • @ralphomalza495
    @ralphomalza495 9 років тому +2

    Thanks for this very helpful video of yours! it was a big help for a newbie like me. I learned the proper ways of diff. stops from your other videos and I thank you a lot.

  • @masikfiokomvanlol9262
    @masikfiokomvanlol9262 Рік тому

    Helped a lot! Thank you!

  • @TheCrowLady
    @TheCrowLady Рік тому

    Do you think it matters if I'm favoring a dominant side when learning freestyle skating? I've seen a few videos that say to lead with your "stronger leg."
    Thanks for the video!

    • @TheLarryBrown
      @TheLarryBrown Рік тому

      Yes it matters. You want to avoid favoring one side over the other. You need to focus on your weak side and drill it harder than your strong side so that both sides remain roughly equal as much as possible. It's annoying, but that's the only way to avoid being weak on one side.

  • @siebejanssens8239
    @siebejanssens8239 2 роки тому

    this was a really good video ! The best one I found

  • @sadlyparanoid7869
    @sadlyparanoid7869 8 років тому +1

    What's sharpening do you get mate, keep the good work up you help me out a lot but please get to my question as soon as possible

  • @FruitAnnihilator
    @FruitAnnihilator 5 років тому

    Those drills look super useful!

  • @jasentra
    @jasentra 5 років тому +7

    Hey, that's my local ice rink! 😂

  • @HockeyTutorialOfficial
    @HockeyTutorialOfficial  12 років тому

    Any hockey skates can be used for freestyle, just find a pair of skates that fit you properly, that is the most important factor.

  • @7ellis31
    @7ellis31 11 років тому +1

    I go there but whats the ice like ? Fast or slow

  • @digrom3279
    @digrom3279 3 роки тому

    Do hockey players have to be tall and big/stocky ?

  • @AutsajderRR
    @AutsajderRR 7 років тому +2

    I'm skating since few yars but cant do this stop from higher speed, maybe I should sharpen blades more rectangular like speed skates?

    • @bittersweettonic6642
      @bittersweettonic6642 4 роки тому

      Hopefully you've got it now that it's been 2 years! However usually all you need to do is lean more and attack the stop at a sharper angle the faster you go ^^

  • @HP66856
    @HP66856 3 роки тому

    really helpful thanks

  • @johnnymars9782
    @johnnymars9782 7 років тому +1

    Good video. I cannot scrap the ice as my blade is stuck on the ice. Thx for the tips.

    • @amysuresh4292
      @amysuresh4292 3 роки тому

      Maybe sharpen them shallow or your digging your foot into the ice a lot just shave the ice not dig really deep in the ice hope that's helpful:)

  • @demoNdeath18
    @demoNdeath18 12 років тому

    So you say that my roces rsk2 skates can't be used for ice skating freestyle?

  • @Thephonesupporttech
    @Thephonesupporttech 6 років тому +4

    I've always found the outside edge drills to be less helpful than the inside edge ones. Myself, as I got better at stopping my outside edge foot just naturally got better, no drills required.

    • @Colbyw74
      @Colbyw74 2 роки тому

      nice?

    • @TheLarryBrown
      @TheLarryBrown Рік тому

      Outside edge is harder in everything. Outside edge drills are useful because they will help you come up to speed faster on a more difficult skill. Coming up to speed faster is important, in any pursuit you need to work smarter rather than longer and try to come up to speed fast. Outside edge drills may have had you up to speed on week three instead of week six.

  • @antoinexu7850
    @antoinexu7850 2 роки тому

    This is the best i ever seen

  • @iroise8517
    @iroise8517 7 років тому

    I'm starting ice hockey soon and your videos helped me a lot with skating, thank you!

  • @747r7
    @747r7 10 років тому

    awesome explanation !

  • @pietlopsa9164
    @pietlopsa9164 8 років тому +1

    I stopped only on the left foot, i lift my right foot while stopping. I m stopping like you to the right side. Tomorrow I try doing this drills to improve my skills. :)

  • @MrAjoson
    @MrAjoson 5 років тому

    good tutorial.. thank you..

  • @DrFumesta
    @DrFumesta 5 років тому +2

    Stopping is pissing me off. I can backwards crossover going either direction and still eat shit when I try this. Kind of ridiculous

  • @rhysdrennan3520
    @rhysdrennan3520 10 років тому

    This helped me so much thank you so much

  • @wilsocn
    @wilsocn 7 років тому +23

    Everyone needs to make sure they can feel the weight around their balls. 2:22

    • @powergiraffe7718
      @powergiraffe7718 5 років тому

      Grow up

    • @pb_x
      @pb_x 5 років тому +1

      What if you don’t have balls

    • @TheLarryBrown
      @TheLarryBrown 2 роки тому

      If only you could use a De Lorean to send that joke back to your fourth grade class, they'd be dyin'.

  • @rach3lla
    @rach3lla 6 років тому

    This is super helpful! Thank you!!!

  • @TheBruins28
    @TheBruins28 12 років тому

    Thanks, this is very helpful.. Hopefully I won't keep falling over

  • @johnhakim1967
    @johnhakim1967 12 років тому

    hey i have a problem...when im skating my feet are always leaning into the inside edge..when i try to straighten my legs and push...it doesnt actually push me it just slides. do you have any tips?

    • @nuohu
      @nuohu 5 років тому

      Btw if u wear hockey skates like hockey tutorial u can already can shave ice but if u wear china hockey or wrong skates they can’t hockey stop I’m wearing china hockey skates but I realize china hockey hard to shave ice but I changed to hockey skates and I realized I can shave ice easily

  • @xx_moto_pb_xx2635
    @xx_moto_pb_xx2635 9 років тому

    good job

  • @bavier6355
    @bavier6355 7 років тому +1

    Is 5/8 good for learning this? also what can i do about getting a bad sharpen? My blade as of right now is inconsistently sharp, and almost completely dull on the toe and kind of dull on the heel... I didn't really feel all that safe trying to learn this when half of my edge would catch on the ice and the other half just sort of glides.

    • @StillAliveAndKicking_
      @StillAliveAndKicking_ 6 років тому

      It depends on your weight but 5/8" is a nice shallow grind ideal for learning to hockey stop.

  • @morboris
    @morboris 12 років тому

    i can hockey stop but how did you spray soo much ice?

  • @PROLIFICCA
    @PROLIFICCA 7 років тому

    Thank you!

  • @mauriceemond7319
    @mauriceemond7319 Рік тому

    I've managed to learn how to stop but using the wrong edges... this was blown my mind, especially cause I dont feel comfortable stopping when skating fast but it turns out i've been doing it wrong.

  • @1979Namenlos
    @1979Namenlos 5 років тому +1

    I just can't shave the ice at all. No matter how much weight I put or don't put on it or which angle I'm trying. Either my edges get stuck or don't really touch the ice at all. I really have no idea what I'm doing wrong.

    • @amysuresh4292
      @amysuresh4292 3 роки тому

      I think your putting too much weight or you need to get your skates sharpened or it's the angle your in. If your not leaning and shaving the ice at the correct angle then its hard

  • @MrOskarstone
    @MrOskarstone 7 років тому

    @1:33 Well, if you head is facing down... Then you have a bit bigger of a problem on your hands than learning to stop

  • @eliaskhouri5659
    @eliaskhouri5659 4 роки тому

    I'm having the problem where I either sort of bounce, turn , get stuck then because of momentum and go back to straight or simply just fall. I also can't shave the ice while on the wall. What can I do?

    • @eliaskhouri5659
      @eliaskhouri5659 4 роки тому

      Also I mostly experience when turning 90° I'm not transitioning fast enough that I sort of started doing a turn or like a hop which then hug into the ice..

  • @MetaJamm
    @MetaJamm 4 роки тому

    Pushed weight do not stuck your blade on ice, but whrong angle do.

  • @digrom3279
    @digrom3279 3 роки тому

    Can i learn to do the hockey stop in 5 days if i spend 1 hour a day

    • @TheLarryBrown
      @TheLarryBrown 2 роки тому

      Maybe, but one thing is for sure, you'll be a lot better at it than you would if you spent 5 days practicing zero hours per day.

  • @MrDaveyEvett
    @MrDaveyEvett 12 років тому

    good vid

  • @MultiEpicism
    @MultiEpicism 9 років тому

    nice

  • @raymond-jackclark4748
    @raymond-jackclark4748 5 років тому

    what is a shallow sharpen?

    • @markhayes789
      @markhayes789 3 роки тому

      The radius of the hollow. A larger radius will give you a shallower hollow.

  • @scotthalladay2210
    @scotthalladay2210 2 роки тому

    So how does Chara skate being 7’0” tall?

  • @jokke7969
    @jokke7969 5 років тому +16

    who else in 2019?

    • @adavee380
      @adavee380 4 роки тому +1

      Omg me!! I’ve been trying for years 🥴

    • @smacky101
      @smacky101 4 роки тому +5

      Man I'm out here in 2020. 😪

    • @stanciutudor2031
      @stanciutudor2031 4 роки тому

      Me lol

  • @burubura
    @burubura 11 років тому +1

    u remind me of Bow-Wow...ur really a great iceskater..u look cool..

  • @undeadunited3987
    @undeadunited3987 3 роки тому

    When I stop with my right foot I’m skipping and I just had my skate sharpened. What am I doing wrong.

  • @oldchannel5039
    @oldchannel5039 2 роки тому

    When I’m playing hockey I stop on my left leg because my right leg stuck on the ice

  • @lokomono89
    @lokomono89 5 років тому

    My skates stick to much that I get out of the stop, why?

  • @MactasticChiTown
    @MactasticChiTown 7 років тому +8

    Audio is awful at the beginning.

    • @HockeyTutorialOfficial
      @HockeyTutorialOfficial  7 років тому +7

      This is when we first started out. Things have improved since this.. I promise!

  • @BigdaddiZ
    @BigdaddiZ 4 роки тому +1

    I spin every time

  • @markhayes789
    @markhayes789 3 роки тому

    I got some elbow pads with my new skates. Best idea I ever had.

  • @slickrick2k
    @slickrick2k 11 років тому +2

    WEAR GEAR. It hurts a lot less when you fall, which you will do learning to hockey stop.

  • @yuri.frolov
    @yuri.frolov 6 років тому

    Dude, why do you *JUMP* just before turn?.. It's definitely a mistake.
    When you move along the vertical axis, you loose the energy, so you gonna get tired quickly in a hockey game.

  • @dragonmaid1360
    @dragonmaid1360 4 роки тому

    Lol very gracefully.
    Smakes the ice headfirst

  • @AN-yr7nm
    @AN-yr7nm 10 місяців тому

    Sometimes profiling helps a ton

  • @GREENneonDRIVER
    @GREENneonDRIVER 5 років тому

    I am stuck between "he explains this really well" and "he can only stop to one side, so can he skate all that well?" I'm not trying to hate on him, I promise.

    • @johnmightymole2284
      @johnmightymole2284 5 років тому

      He's a really good skater, he showed his preferred side but of course he can do both sides.

  • @sirstan4897
    @sirstan4897 2 роки тому

    practicing today and was getting close with my left foot but with my right foot i couldn’t even begin to slide, those rental skates are fucking garbage

  • @mikemayhew5108
    @mikemayhew5108 2 роки тому

    your advice is not that good my dad was a professional hockey player he played for mississippi state and he was also played for t-rex and he is a canadian.

  • @kdlittlehawk
    @kdlittlehawk 3 роки тому

    poor volume

  • @hamhalberd7146
    @hamhalberd7146 5 років тому

    Your skates are loose...

  • @angryperson123
    @angryperson123 11 років тому

    Lots of snowcones!!! Yay lol

  • @christianarias8834
    @christianarias8834 4 роки тому

    I just don’t understand the transition from moving forward to having your feet face sideways turning them 90 degrees, everytime I try I cant figure out how to move my feet. Anyone mind explaining? Thanks

    • @amysuresh4292
      @amysuresh4292 3 роки тому

      When doing the hockey stop just lean in and turn and if you are afraid of falling then just wear padding and gear like I do and fall a lot when learning the stop and soon you will get the stop.

    • @TheLarryBrown
      @TheLarryBrown 2 роки тому

      Maybe, uh, I don't know, try watching the video?

  • @flacter
    @flacter 11 років тому

    I searched it in your channel but i didnt find nothing so.. im dumb? haha :)

  • @jfabiooo
    @jfabiooo 11 років тому

    lol its not too easy ))

  • @WickedFoeX
    @WickedFoeX 11 років тому

    The thing says suck

  • @ThePerpetualStudent
    @ThePerpetualStudent 5 років тому +2

    Does anyone comprehend what is going on in this video!? A black guy is teaching the internets how to hockey-stop, in a British accent. UA-cam, you are great.

    • @TheLarryBrown
      @TheLarryBrown 2 роки тому

      This may come as a surprise to you, but the rest of the world has black people too, not just the USA. Can you imagine some Brits in London listening to Wayne Brady. Ethel! Look! There's a black guy on TV speaking with an American accent!!!!

  • @adnahal6693
    @adnahal6693 10 місяців тому

    This video is very helpful indeed...Thank you!