@@Sacred_Fox I play ranno and disagree. His low drift makes it harder to aerial through her tornado, she also has probably the easiest time exploiting his recovery. He also loses down throw tech chase on her earlier than almost anyone in the cast.
@MrZalen true, but fleet has very few out of shield options, allowing Ranno to dair on shield without getting punished usually. Not to mention for whatever reason, Ranno's darts trade with fleet's projectiles, causing zoning for Fleet to be very difficult. I guess it could be pretty even, maybe 50:50 though.
I don't think Leffen is gonna complain too much. He knows it's still early days and he adapted pretty well honestly. Added to the fact that he only switched to Ranno recently, i think it was a good match
It is kind of wild how many times Leffen was right that final stock and it just didn’t matter. Fleet survivability right now is crazy. The character just doesn’t die. And her recovery is cracked too. Leffen hit Sol offstage multiple times in a row and she didn’t die. Main take away is that fleet will likely get worse as peoples punish gets better, and also I hope they tune down some of the recoveries in this game because they are very strong right now.
@justanothermanontheinternet Edge guarding is an absolute joke right now. This game has way too many ways to recover, but all of them require basically no tech skill to execute compared to what's required for even a basic edgeguard. Fleet is the epitome of that. It's just too dangerous, especially when fleet can stall below edge and set up a tornado. Then what... They can secure their recovery way too easily. As people get better, yea this will probably go away. But getting hit offstage 8 times in a row and still getting to recover is... idk clown world
It's not as bad as people say. I'm not saying I can do this perfectly myself, but you can always parry her tornado, and she's susceptible to getting spiked during her up special
I do the same, especially with how this game works. Being aggressive puts you at a disadvantage so when you're down that much AND against campy champs that live forever its usually better mentally to just start fresh than attempting to make that climb. Its the best way to avoid tilt
because being behind in this game sucks ass. you cant just steal kills since edgeguarding is so hard. so all you can do is win neutral over and over and over.
I don’t think Fleet and Peach are very similar besides the fact that they both have float. And unlike Fox, Zetterburn isn’t the best character in his game. Leffen also lost to Armada for ages before he was able to win that matchup
This is like saying you can evaluate Baseball the same way as Basketball just because they have the common factor of *ball*. Just because a character has a mechanic similar to that of another game doesn't mean *at all* that the matchup could be played the same way. Just wow.
zetter is literally a bottom tier, only winning mu is vs lox and maybe orcane. every other mu is either losing or even. if ur opp ccs everything and parries ur shield pressure and projectiles he literally falls into f tier. theres a reason literally 0 zetters are winning rn despite the fact hes already solved since hes a pm wolf clone. I started a zetter main and realize this char is shit at high level so im switching mains
@@Forged4War206 I mean he was constantly getting fleet to well over 120% before killing (and she doesn't look like a heavy character), while leffen was often getting killed pre 100%
@@Forged4War206 Ït's true though. Ranno basically only has this smash attacks and maybe f-air, and the latter one is only a spike. Ranno has no kill throws, no kill tilts and no other kill specials.
Ranno is incredible at getting kills, lol. He's commonly discussed as the current best character in the game. Fleet's a tough match up, and Mystery Sol has far more Rivals experience. Also, Leff dropped a lot of Ranno confirms.
@@Heowolf people have had it for like a year, not to mention how similar it is to rivals 1. It's obv not the same as being fully out for that long, but it's more than plenty to say he's less experienced than some of the others
They really put Leffen through the Fleet gauntlet in this tournament.
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Leffen about to go on a new 60:40 rant for Fleet.
@@TehWhiteTiger true. The funny thing is it's probably the other way around
@@Sacred_Fox I play ranno and disagree. His low drift makes it harder to aerial through her tornado, she also has probably the easiest time exploiting his recovery. He also loses down throw tech chase on her earlier than almost anyone in the cast.
@MrZalen true, but fleet has very few out of shield options, allowing Ranno to dair on shield without getting punished usually. Not to mention for whatever reason, Ranno's darts trade with fleet's projectiles, causing zoning for Fleet to be very difficult. I guess it could be pretty even, maybe 50:50 though.
Ain't no way leffen got the chillendude pic😂 what a guy
I don't think Leffen is gonna complain too much. He knows it's still early days and he adapted pretty well honestly. Added to the fact that he only switched to Ranno recently, i think it was a good match
Do you know Leffen?
Ranno is also his most played and its what he mained in previous patches so I can't even give you that.
It is kind of wild how many times Leffen was right that final stock and it just didn’t matter. Fleet survivability right now is crazy. The character just doesn’t die. And her recovery is cracked too. Leffen hit Sol offstage multiple times in a row and she didn’t die.
Main take away is that fleet will likely get worse as peoples punish gets better, and also I hope they tune down some of the recoveries in this game because they are very strong right now.
@justanothermanontheinternet Edge guarding is an absolute joke right now. This game has way too many ways to recover, but all of them require basically no tech skill to execute compared to what's required for even a basic edgeguard. Fleet is the epitome of that. It's just too dangerous, especially when fleet can stall below edge and set up a tornado. Then what... They can secure their recovery way too easily.
As people get better, yea this will probably go away. But getting hit offstage 8 times in a row and still getting to recover is... idk clown world
It's not as bad as people say. I'm not saying I can do this perfectly myself, but you can always parry her tornado, and she's susceptible to getting spiked during her up special
1:29 I saw Leffen do this every time he's down by 2 stocks, he prefers to just start a new game
I do the same, especially with how this game works. Being aggressive puts you at a disadvantage so when you're down that much AND against campy champs that live forever its usually better mentally to just start fresh than attempting to make that climb. Its the best way to avoid tilt
because being behind in this game sucks ass. you cant just steal kills since edgeguarding is so hard. so all you can do is win neutral over and over and over.
Leffen is scaling. I think hes gonna be winning more than a few tournaments next year
I can see that. He only recently picked up Ranno too and is already doing well
He’s scaling to 1x1 pixel in gimp
Isn't he already the best Strive player and then dropped that game who's surprsied
@@ReavenM1911A1 the BEST strive player???? LOL
@@youri7229 "erm actually hacimodo is the best now that the game has 3k players in season 4!!" Yeah okay dude lol
What is this Fleet skin?
Abyss, blue
wait sol in this? lessgo sol
how did sol get that skin?
Tourneys have access to an account with all skins unlocked.
god slayer just needs some time to adapt, thx for uploading immediately
dam wanted to c lef get that last game.
Why doesn’t leffen try zetter vs fleet? Isn’t that basically fox vs peach? And he demolished armada off of the character.
I don’t think Fleet and Peach are very similar besides the fact that they both have float. And unlike Fox, Zetterburn isn’t the best character in his game. Leffen also lost to Armada for ages before he was able to win that matchup
This is like saying you can evaluate Baseball the same way as Basketball just because they have the common factor of *ball*. Just because a character has a mechanic similar to that of another game doesn't mean *at all* that the matchup could be played the same way. Just wow.
@@mr.positive6259 I think Zetter vs fleet is really bad for Zetter.
Isn’t Zetter super mid? What MU does he do better than Ranno? Probably none tbh
zetter is literally a bottom tier, only winning mu is vs lox and maybe orcane. every other mu is either losing or even. if ur opp ccs everything and parries ur shield pressure and projectiles he literally falls into f tier. theres a reason literally 0 zetters are winning rn despite the fact hes already solved since hes a pm wolf clone. I started a zetter main and realize this char is shit at high level so im switching mains
Ahhh leff threw away a couple stocks. Fun set tho!
Damn big leff almost had it
seems impossible for his char to kill
@@lewisbirkett4428 Saying that Ranno can’t kill is crazy lmao
@@Forged4War206 I mean he was constantly getting fleet to well over 120% before killing (and she doesn't look like a heavy character), while leffen was often getting killed pre 100%
@@Forged4War206 Ït's true though. Ranno basically only has this smash attacks and maybe f-air, and the latter one is only a spike. Ranno has no kill throws, no kill tilts and no other kill specials.
Ranno is incredible at getting kills, lol. He's commonly discussed as the current best character in the game. Fleet's a tough match up, and Mystery Sol has far more Rivals experience. Also, Leff dropped a lot of Ranno confirms.
Leffen is sick. I ride w Leffen.
Wp for both, unfortunate leffen sd’s
Sol makes Fleet look cool somehow
I imagine we'll be hearing a rule proposal from Leffen regarding the number of arrows a character can shoot during a game, after this
Fleet is corny
When you grow up you'll understand that corny just means you don't like the playstyle involved.
Kid is a zoomer
@@GusJenkinsElite Naw. Ranno had to work twice as hard. Cheap asf
Very corny. Still, she exists and is valid so you gotta fight it out.
@@chrisifer8941 fleet vs ranno is pretty even so I don’t see why ranno need to work twice as hard
Leffen is FREE
Love seeing Leffen losing
Leffen L? Instalike
Fleet is kinda lame bro ngl
leffen ranno very rusty he got carried by his amazing neutral and disadvantage. If he practices ranno more he would be very deadly
The game hasn't even been around long enough for someone to get rusty lmao
yes i agree, i meant very clumsy
@@bryanarellano5302 fair enough
@@Heowolf people have had it for like a year, not to mention how similar it is to rivals 1. It's obv not the same as being fully out for that long, but it's more than plenty to say he's less experienced than some of the others
@@DoggyP00 Already resolved but I appreciate the genuine input, honestly.
what is that fleet skin?