The UNDERWORLD SAGA Was Sad But Amazing!
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2025
- Welcome everyone to todays reaction video where I am Reacting to The Underworld saga from EPIC: The Musical!
The UNDERWORLD SAGA Was Sad But Amazing! But that doesn't stop me from getting to that time of the week again for me to release yet another epic the musical video and oh boy. I couldn't be happier to finally be here although seeing Polites and then seeing Odysseus having flashbacks was a bit rough i cant imagine how he may have been feeling. But now we can dive into the thunder saga for the next video!
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When he’s in the underworld, he’s seeing the souls of everyone who’s died, even the infant. These aren’t flashbacks
Thank you for saying it. That drove me nuts. lol
"oh he is having flashbacks"
*the spirits of his crew and the spirit of polities: am i a joke to you?
He dropped a baby, dude. That kind of thing tends to stick with you.
"I'm not sure I follow" cuz homeboy is LOCKED IN on Penelope. Everyone else is just a ken or Barbie doll.
I mean, someone going from "I'm going to murder you," to "I'm going to bone you," would probably leave anyone confused in this situation.
So, fun fact, the men arent rubbing it in when theyre down in the underworld. The voices of all the dead are singing their last thoughts before they died.
So the men were blaming him, Polites was still hopeful and didnt blame Ody for what happened, and his mother was thinking about how she would be waiting for her son to come home :3 very sad!
The infant is a constant source of guilt and regret for Odysseus and is the catalyst for why he acts the way he does. Polites recognizes the guilt and offers the open arms ideology, which is what leads to him sparing Polyphemus. Sparing Polyphemus leads to the Poseidon attack, leads to meeting Circe, leads to Underworld, so on and so forth. Astyanax (the infant's name) is the whole thing Odysseus' story hinges on which is why it happens at the very beginning. It's why, in Monster, Odysseus brings that event back up, that he's throwing the guilt away and he'd pull another Astyanax if necessary. It has to do with everything.
It's, truly, kinda of the main event that kickstarts the musical in the first place, odd that it wasn't picked up. But reactors unfortunately have more on their minds than just the source material, and perhaps he just doesn't engage with emotion in stories.
Another part of this is that, as awful as it sounds, the Astyanax episode is a moral failure for Odysseus, but not the one we are inclined to think.
It's not his decision to kill the infant that pollutes him; it's the guilt he feels.
Killing Astyanax was the right thing to do. (Brutal as that is, the truth doesn't hold punches)
So why is he feeling guilt for doing it?
It is wrong to feel guilt for doing what is right.
And as you point out this misplaced and inappropriate guilt that Odysseus feels has brought him so close to ruin.
Athena abandons him because he abandons wisdom and lets his guilt lead him into making a mistake, a problem he would not have if he correctly felt no remorse for Astyanax.
Jorge said in a livestream, that the lines the soul of the dead are singing are their final thoughts before they died. So polities still believed in greet the world with Open arms to the end and Odysseus’s mom was still waiting for him on till she death
Now I get it, the Prophet doesn't mean it literally, he meant it mentally! The kinder Odysseus will not make it back alive. It's the *Monster*
Well technically literally too... but thats spoilers. Lets just say when Ody returns, its not technically himself *wink wink*
@@xelyd7989hey hey hey, lets try to keep the spoilers to a minimum hahaha
@@xelyd7989I don't get it, he himself returns right? What do people mean?
Edit: omg, I just realised. Ya of course he didn't return as himself, haha.
@@xelyd7989 Is that a joke about how in the OG he pretends to be someone else just to tease and play with his wife?
@@awildnoviceappears Spoiler warning for a 2700 year old story lmao
Circe and her siblings(her brother Aeetes, father of Medea, and her sister Pasiphae, mother of the minotaur) are half nymph. Their father was Helios(the sun personified) and Perse(an ocean nymph, daughter of Oceanos and his sister-wife Tethys)
13:01 They're IN the Underworld right now, wdym, lol
17:02 The mind tricks already happened, you were just to smooth brain to realize it lol /j
18:05 I'm pretty sure the sad bit everyone was talking about was 'The Underworld' song, because those "hallucinations" were *actually* the spirits of the deceased
21:56 You went through the same arc of understanding the prophecy as Oddyseus, lol; just think about the song title a little harder; also, also, keep the prophecy in mind for the future
28:19 a neat and sad touch Gigi added to this animatic, is that the vision of Penelope rips Polites' headband off of Oddyseus, signifying that he's letting go of the 'Open Arms' lesson he taught him
To explain the ending of Done For, or at least my interpretation of it, the reason Odysseus doesn't follow is because he is so loyal and in love with his wife that Circe's meaning goes right over his head. It doesn't even click. And a really cool thing that is confirmed by Jorge about There Are Other Ways is that when Odysseus beat Circe and said "you lost" the moly stopped protecting him from her magic like Hermes warned it would. So she put a spell on him and that's why he started singing part of Puppeteer when she put her spell on the crew. Then with his own willpower and devotion to Penelope he broke free of Circe's spell. Which is doubly impressive when you realize she's literally a demigod since her father is the god of the sun.
It also probably helps with your information that Odysseus didn’t choose Penelope because she was beautiful, he chose her due to her being a smart and capable woman.
Also, awesome detail, Gigi designed Odysseus's dark side all the way back in Just A Man and had it all planned out for Monster.
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i don’t know if you caught in gigi’s monster animatic how when he’s laying on penelope’s lap she rips Polites headband off Odyssey’s head. confirming he’s leaving behind Polites message of being kind and open. When i watched that my heart sank 😭
I love the “You’re not sure you follow?” part. Odysseus is a pretty clueless for a warrior of wisdom. No wonder Athena left him
I HC this version of Ody as ace for this line alone ngl
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My headcannon is that he’s so devoted to Penelope that it doesn’t cross his mind to be seduced
@@ClickyMcClickerson Except that he is clearly head over heels in love with his wife. Man is just so loyal to her he doesnt even think about sleeping with Circe
Circe: What’s your type?
Ody: My wife.
I think the part you missed with No Longer You is the "no longer" part. Not "someone makes it home but it's not you," but "someone makes it home but its NO LONGER you," implying that once it WAS him. Implying he changes into something unrecognizable. Perhaps a monster?
The prophet was essentially just saying "you will make it home but you won't be the same man you are when you left"if you already got that then I apologize, I just thought I might try to help clear things up
My post video thoughts:
On top of the spirits voicing their last thoughts as Jorge confirmed, I’m pretty sure they were sailing on the river Styx, which is the river of regrets. Spirits passing on would throw their regrets and broken dreams into the river. What Odysseus heard were some of these regrets and broken dreams. He heard his mens’ resentments of him not killing the Cyclopes and letting them die. He heard Polites trying to convince him to seek out kindness. He heard his mother’s regret of not being able to see him.
For the second song, No Longer You, it’s a prophecy that shows both the past and the future of Odysseus’s life. Prophecies are infamous for not being clear and leaving the words for the receiver to interpret. Also, the lyrics were made based off of what did end up happening. They’re only really clear if you know what happens.
Isn't it kinda cool that's where they are and polites still has 0 regrets
the whole song with the baby, and even the ending of the previous one, was all about him NOT wanting to do it lmao. you dont just get over something like that
2:50 Circe mother is an Oceanid, an immortal nymph, and her father Helios the sun. Thus, her eyes and ear fins.
Pretty sure that is Scylla
Nah, it's Circe.
"You're in the underworld. This is probably gonna be the toughest of hells." The meancing sound of mooing enters the chat.
Thanks so much for including my video omggg 😭🫶. I'm glad you enjoyed it. You're the first one to use a video of mine, too! Congrats on being the first 🎉.
I'm SO GLAD YOU TURNED ON CAPTIONS 😂
Edit:
For the second verse, I won't tell you who those first two people are, but the third person indeed is his second in command Eurylochus, and the last one is Telamachus, his son 😁.
Hadn’t seen your animatic until now but I absolutely love it! It’s gotta be my favorite No Longer You animatic now!
LOVED THAT ANIMATIC DAMN
Great animatic, I’m surprised others haven’t used it for reactions before.
It's so good, and I was thinking, I love how in the first chorus u showed the past things and in the second chorus the future ones
Outstanding job krieo! Thank you for being able to watch the video
I know someone mentioned it but when Odysseus flopped on Penelope’s lap and got petted by Penelope, to snap him out of it, she took away the headband he was wearing which was polities’s headband, Odysseus had grabbed it and wrapped it around his wrist when polities died. It somehow moved to his head throughout the sagas but that is what also shows what that comment you shared with us at the end saying, now that he knows he has to be a monster to get home, polities’s kindness was thrown out in representation of the headband being taken by Penelope.
Holy moly! He’s finally going to react to the underworld saga after so many days of waiting YIPPEE!!!! 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Her being ominous is a reference to the fact that Poseidon used to be an Underworld god sometime in the past of Greece.
16:12 Even sadder when you realize she saw him before the wind bag was opened, which lead everyone to think he died in the storm and she killed herself
Just to note in "No Longer You" the prophet was talking about the events that will happen in the thunder saga. The animator just got some of it wrong, just to clarify.
It’s not just the events of the Thunder Saga... It could also be telling what happens in the Vengeance and Ithica sagas too...
**Spoiler song names for Vengeance and Ithica Sagas**
Vengeance: Song 33 “Charybdis” Song 34 “Get in the Water”
Ithica: Song 38 “Odysseus”
"Any boat trip's gonna be a godforsaken nightmare for this poor man." You have no clue how right you are.
I love how confident you are getting in these Epic reactions. From not knowing really knowing anything "Then we can get to the Thunder Saga"! Legit love the epic community. Circe is half Nymph and half Titan/God. Her Father is Helios the Sun God but her Mother's Father was an Ocean Titan/God.
Quick point. It is often assumed by people who aren’t super familiar with Greek mythology, that The Underworld = Hell. The underworld in Greek mythology encompasses Heaven (Elysium) Purgatory (fields of Asphodel) AND Hell (Fields of punishment for mortals and Tartarus for immortals).
The ghosts are (in epic’s cannon) repeating their thoughts as they died, so polite was still positive, but the men who died to Poseidon all died crying his name
When the prophet says that it is no longer Odyseuss getting back he is saying that he has to change so much he isnt the same person anymore.
My guy, if you're excited after hearing monster, wait until you watch the Thunder Saga. It goes HARD.
YAY! It’s my favorite No Longer You animatic!!!! Oh my gosh!!!!
For the second animatic, if it helps Tiresias(The prophet) says he “sees past and FUTURE running free” with the song talking about Important events around Odyssey, and can also be seen behind Penelope, the only Man close to her.
Well do you know this life is amazing when you greet it with open especially when your dead 👍
Edit:comenters pleaseeee dont spoil the thunder saga it ruins the suffering he has to go through!!!
"it ruins the suffering he has to go through"
I see what you did there
“I see a man who gets to make it home alive but it’s no longer you” it’s not Odysseus who’s getting back home. It’s the monster. The moment he chose to become the monster, he’s going against everything he’s been doing this whole time. He changed himself (now he’s the monster) so then he could make it home.
28:22 She took Polites's headband- showing how he gave up his mercy and guilt
I'll be honest, the blatantly wrong auto-generated captions are so much worse than no captions at all 😓
Okay when you react to the thunder saga (first saga of act 2, it takes place after the underworld saga) if you want visuals, I would try to find a video of the livestream, but PLEASE PLEASE be sure to support Jorge by watching the original releases (without visuals) as well. He removed the livestream from his channel but you can find recordings on other channels.
Waiting waiting waaaiting
Cant wait till he sees the thunder saga
The creature in Done For is a chimera. Mixture of 3 beasts. Supposed to be one of the ultimate monsters in Greek mythology
I don’t know if you’ve listened to the Thunder Saga but “no longer you” actually has foreshadowing for a lot of the later events. I mean, the lyrics are kinda vague and can be applied to many scenarios but I like to think the prophet is talking about the Thunder Saga.
Spoilers if you havent listened to the Thunder Saga:
Song of past romance: the sirens trying to lure Odysseus’s and his soldiers
Sacrifice of man: Odysseus sacrificing his men to Scylla
Portrayals of betrayal: from “mutiny” when his men turn on him
Brother’s final stand: Eurylochus killing the sun god’s cows out of hunger
Then the song “different beast” strengthens the man or monster story line, saying Odyssius is no longer himself when he returns home, so his wife is “with another man with a trail of bodies”
The ciclops doesn't regret it because he asked his dad to unalive odysseus and his crew... So..
OMG thank you for including my work！！！
28:20 I love the visual of his goal, Penelope, ripping away the headband representing Polities' mercy
21:40 OMG. I've literally listened to this song over and over and i JUST NOW understand what means by "its no longer you"!!!
I’m not sure if anyone mentioned this, but, canonically, whenever Odysseus gets backing vocals it’s from his crew. When gods get them, it’s purely their godly power playing through. The prophet got them as the souls sang with him
Even though Odysseus’s mindset changed, he’s still a man with no one really around. No crew, yet he still had backing vocals. Was it the souls calling him to become a monster, as the guilt-driven vision of his fallen men had said?
(Also, I think you missed the moment where the hallucination of Penelope rips off Polites’s headband, representing him fully giving into Poseidon’s ideals of pure ruthlessness. It’s such a sad moment, but also one that drives home the fact that Odysseus has changed).
"when he's in the underworld, he's gonna be so effed up" oh honey, he BEEN in the underworld 😂😭
When the prophet sayed: Its No longer you...
It means that Odysseus will make it home, but he wont be him anymore... Because he suffered so much, that he wont act like he was before his journey to come home. (The Choir in the last part is spoliers of the Thunder Saga)
7:36 He literally ended by saying "Remember me"
Circe is actually a minor goddess! She's the daughter of Helios and Perse, an ocean nymph, which explains the design choices. Also, something cool to note, during their fight, Odysseus won and was in control. After Circe seduces him, the power completely shifts to be in her control, even having Odysseus beg for her help.
Mother son duet
1 of the 558 man was Elpinor who died after falling off of circe's place whilst drunk. He was forgotten as nobody noticed his death or that he was missing untill they got to the underworld where he's ghost gave Ody a heart to heart and asked him to burry an oar for him far from the ocean. The character who's shtick was being forgotten got his song cut from the musical.
surprisingly, there's a quite a couple of finished animatics for the last saga, surprising considering it hasn't been even a month since it's release
The portrayal of Circe here is a bit more on the ominous side than how she is traditionally seen.
Circe is the daughter of Helios (the sun incarnate) and a nymph. She’s half nymph, but is generally seen more as a lesser goddess (higher than a nymph). By daughters, it means that she has become the native Aeaea island nymphs’ chosen mother. She is also considered to be the first witch in history and started the general idea of mixing herbs to transform. There’s a whole word history here, but she is associated with the mythological history of pharmaceuticals.
Circe was once kind and fell in love with a human being that she had transformed into a God, but he had denied her entirely after she made him immortal as he wanted. Lots of things happened, then she was banished to the island of Aeaea where men had come and taken advantage of her (in many ways including violent). Her cares for human beings then turned into hatred, which is why she no longer trusts them and became defensive. The portrayal of her here just seems a bit more ominous without the context of her history.
25:50 I'm still watching, but just a note, the lyrics arent saying the past foes *did* feel those things. Its rhetorical! He's the one that felt guilt for what he's done, so he was asking himself 'do they feel these things too? Or do they do what they need to without remorse'. Cause none of them are evil. Polyphemus was avenging his sheep, since they were his friends and he cared for them as such. Poseidon was teaching a man arrogant enough to dox himself what happens when he doesnt finish what he started. Circe was protecting her daughters at any cost.
Monster is a really cool song overall, I love it and how Ody changes in it!!
Not so fun fact, Ody only knew of 557 deaths on his crew when he arrived at the underworld. Elpenor was a soldier who died on Circe's island after falling into a drunken slumber on the roof of Circe's palace. He fell off and broke his neck, and in the crews urgency to get to the underworld, they left him unburied without proper rites. In Homer's story, Ody didn't even know he was dead until his spirit approached him in the underworld.
lezzzz goooo you're doing great man
I've been so excited for you to react on this sagaaaaa 🫶🫶🫶
"he is in the underworld, I think by far he is at the worse version."
Boy that sounds like, "It can't get worse!", the famous last words.
In the original Odyssey, moly just made Odysseus immune to her magic and her back up plan was to make him a eunich, not stab him in the back.
the double-take on 'if I gotta drop another infant' was gold to me
I like how you become more and more perceptive with each video. Love to see it.
Whenever i see his mom appear and sing it fucking breaks me.. because my brother died in hospital nearly a month ago.. and we were only a few minutes away from visiting him when his heart stopped. So he will forever be waiting for us. but the face.. he went peacefully.. he probably just felt tired and figured hed wake up when we got there.
I will always miss him. but now... ill be the monster to those who made him ill. If I dont get them through legal means i will make craters
You should've watched the full gigi version of there are other ways the animation is out of this world it came out recently, but I also love AnniFlammas Animatic so I'm not really complaining
...i have never seen someone talk like i have and i felt every second of this in my soul. the constant back tracking, off topic rides, jumbling words. I feel seen and I'm not sure i like that
Anyone else get chills on The Underworld saga? 😢❤
Underworld is probably one of the best written songs in the whole Musical, but it hits so hard and so often it's so tough to watch.
Also, the souls of the dead are singing out their last thoughts, Odysseus's mom died waiting for him to come back, the men died blaming him for their deaths, and Polites died wanting Odysseus to greet the world with open arms.
Penelope taking Polites's headband during Monster because Odysseus is turning his back on Polites's philosophy is a hell of a strong visual.
If someone hasn't told you already at the end of the song "no longer you" you thought it might be Odysseus, it is him, just a different version of himself a more Ruthless version
After watching the whole sagas that are out now I'm waiting for the Thunder Saga 😌✨
I think the reason Circe spared Odysseus was because he asked her to release his men and spare them, bowing down to her. She probably never expected a man to do that, making her see that he’s different and deserves mercy
19:56 Is anyone going to tell him about Tartarus? Because that shit is Hell. The Underworld is just depressing
The second time the chorus plays, are things yet to happen and characters we've yet to meet (With the exception of Eurylochus).
also worth pointing out that since his crew that died never recieved proper burials they're basically stuck in limbo for eternity on the outskirts of the underworld
i am so STOKED to see how you enjoy the thunder saga
Palace covered in red" is Ody slaughtering the 108 suitors who were trying to win over Penelope
21:35 if you want the explanation for what was up with the prophecy, I'll put it here but it's reaching spoilers territory (well technically not rlly spoilers for the musical bc it hasn't happened yet, but it's semi spoilers for the Odyssey)
The prophet's words are very easily misinterpreted (as typical for Greek prophecies, always spoken in riddles), but he's actually definitively saying that odysseus WILL get home by the end of it. There's two ways to interpret the "No longer you" part, & both correct. The first is he's saying that odysseus would have changed so much that he'd essentially be a different man, hence he's "no longer himself". He'd be unrecognizable psychologically. The 2nd interpretation is that in the myths, he enters his palace back home disguised as an old beggar, so literally "no longer himself", unrecognizable physically. The tldr of the prophecy is "You're gonna get home but you're gonna go through so much shit & ptsd before that happens"
The song "Underworld" isnt about the journey to the Underworld, they're already IN the Underworld 😭
Those mind-tricks you were anticipating at the end of the song already happened.. those werent flashbacks, they're literally the spirits of the damned coming back to haunt him(if they were flashbacks, it would depict the event of their deaths, not them already dead). And this entire journey's emotional and mental toll on Ody stems from what he did to the infant-- when does a man become a monster? The infant matters very much. Dont be too hard on Ody for being a bit clueless 😅
I was dying laughibg at how you were confused aboit him regreting what he did to the baby like bro its a kid he did not want to do that at all kinda had no choice at the time
So I think "its no longer you", definitely refers to the fact that Odysseus isn't going to be the same man that left.
15:00 “You can’t kill his vibe” wise words
so something that makes the underworld sader is thats his real mom singing as odys mom
Odysseus ending the baby leads to him regretting that blood on his hands and not ending the cyclops Polyphemus
The baby is the source of all the trauma in this story
Little funfact, Odysseus's mother is sung by Jorge's mom :] Haven't seen anyone else say this in the comments so thought I'd say it!
So glad you haven't given up on epic! I know you've had quite a few setbacks with it so I'm glad you've been enjoying it enough to keep going. 😁
In terms of recommendations, I know you've reacted to helluva boss songs, but I'd love to see a reaction to hazbin hotel songs if you haven't seen them already! They're all brilliantly written!
In underworld the context to what all the dead are speaking their last thoughts when they died. Really sad man
The creature is a Chimera
Just to let you know, no these aren't flashbacks for The Underworld song they are the spirits of the crew. Green are the ones who are angry with Odysseus and the white ones are the ones who forgives/bare not hatred to him. Also Fun Fact: In Greek mythology/beliefs if a person isn't properly buried with drachma they can't cross the river so they are stranded.
Edit: Also the prophet was recalling what happened in the past, he was telling Odysseus of things to come.
No you're actually right, it is Odyseus that you see in "No Longer You" but it is not him in a sense that he has changed a lot during his journey home and will go in disguise when he finally reaches home
The prophets always give their "advice" in riddles and half-truths. Because they see EVERY future. When the prophet said "but thats not a world I know" its because Ody's action have made some of those possibilities impossible with his actions.
OK so
firstly: the second song no longer you is a prophetic song It tell us about future events from the next sagas
secondly: Jorge said that the ghosts in the underworld can't see Odysseus and his men and for me it's even more sad that when he saw his mom she didn't saw him and was saying that she will be waiting for him to come home but he never did 🥲
thirdly: fun fact Odysseus mom is actually voiced by Jorge's mom and when they were recording they had to take multiple takes because she couldn't stop crying cause It was the first time she realised that Jorge is gonna outlive her and she would leave him behind 😭
fourthly: you missed in the gigi's animatic for monster when Odysseus takes a nap 😊 on Penelope's lap she took off the Polites headband that Odysseus had since Polites died 🥲
But still I love your reactions to epic and I don't even know if you'll read this but thank you if you do/did/will read this 😊
(Sorry for any mistakes I hate grammar, and It hates me)
Thank you for rewatching the Circe ones
He means he’s not going to be himself when he gets back home
"Polites is still positive as a ghost, you can't kill his vibe"
But damn this series sure will try,
I guess this is my chance to ask to be on the whiteboard😂
No chance is ever to late to be on the board
fun fact Odysseus' mom is played by Jorge's actual mom
The prophet said the man who made it home is no longer him and the next song is about him changing
Also ima say now in all the underworld saga songs there is only 2 flashbacks to my knowledge there isnt many
Yeah I noticed that and many were supposed to be for future events not past
@@gamer64exe73 Yeah, that being said, i kinda like that for no longer you, the animator went from showing all past events to them, going to future events even if they were misinterpreted
The thunder saga is insane there's even a plot twist