My Sanding Setup For Fiberglass
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- Опубліковано 1 гру 2018
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Thanks Andy good timing as I am setting up my shop with dust collection and taking notes.
Thanks again for all of your hard work teaching us to be better at working on our boats and working safer!!!I am a bath tub fiberglass repair man by trade slash avid boater and you have been a huge help in improving my business and also with rebuilding a boat for the family!!!
Yes !!! ive been waiting for this upload all day AND on a topic i'm really interested in as i'm setting up a business which will need dust collection ! Thank you Andy !
Hey Andy
I just want to thank you for all of your videos. I just picked up my first boat (A 20' Voyager Ghia) and its not a small project. Watching your videos has made the things needed to be done look very achievable and well within my ability (Transom repair with a new core like the boston whaler police boat series you did, And various other smaller things)
So thank you for all of your time and effort making all of your videos
Glorious Sanding! You have taught Mads well...I too invested in a Dust Deputy. I bought the small version, which was $80 on sale. BEST PURCHASE EVER! Many DIY versions, and such, but wow, what a difference it makes.
I too have to give the Dust Deputy a big thumbs up. Amazing how well it works and the vacuum doesn't peter off either. Always full suction all the time...
Great video. I tune in because u speak your mind and give advice. Right on!!
I invested in Festool several years back and it is worth every penny and the dust collection is second to none!! The way the dust collector connects to the hose has been well thought out and have had no issues. Also I paired my CT26 with a Oneida dust deputy and had the same result as you achieved.
Isn't that dust deputy separator the bomb. As a tile contractor I use it all the time when prepping
floors. Saves so much money! Love your videos. I've even used your instructions on color matching for tub repairs. 👍 💯⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Great in depth discussion. Thank you kindly.
great help,love the tools.thanks for sharing details cose you dont see them in the shop
Love the Work dust collection video true topic What you said is good advice
I really appreciate all your amazing content. I have learned a ton of very useful information!
Great info Andy, Thanks
Great stuff as usual Andy!
I have the 5 gallon version(plastic) of the Dust Deputy, highly recommended. Vacuum tank remains empty and suction lasts virtually forever, just blow out vac filter between deputy tank dumps.
My neighbors love my Fiberglass Dust. It gives their vehicles the appearance of a nice snowfall in Florida. #Bostonwhalerrestoration.
Vacuum particle bags are my go to, no suction drop, easy to dispose of and no more cleaning clogged up dusty filters.
I've been using a Festool Rotex 150 for years and I absolutely adore it - HOWEVER a friend of mine is painting cars for a living and got himself a Mirka Deros with the cloth sand paper and Mirka handblocks etc. with dust collection. Long story longer, I've tried it and OMG that stuff is amazing. He said he uses about fifth as much paper and stopped using a mask when sanding altogether and I completely believe him! That stuff is in a class of its own. Have a look at it before getting a Festool! - Just an advice, unfortunately I'm not getting paid.
I use the Bosch 1250DEVS dual action sander with the Fein turbo 1 vacuum. The fein hose fits on the bosch tightly and as long as I dont kink up the hose it stays attached. Much cheaper than a festool too!
I just wish this guy would do more boat fixing and showing hands instead of talking bout it . I like watching people work and hate all the lets talk about how great i am at working. It all makes sense now please demonstrate , show proof of concept . Diresta builds somthing every day from start to finish does it all in 5x speed no talk end product absolutely breath taking one of a kind peiece . This guy is absolutely the best glass worker on you tube but just getting himto do some work is yet to be seen.
Andy, interesting that you made two points about the Fein. The hose and the platen. I have a Rotex 150 paired to a CT32 and it is much better for the two reasons you mention. The hose attaches to a fitting that clips to the body of the sander and it comes out under the body of the tool in line with the power cord. The platen of the sander is replaceable so that you can go from soft platen to a harder one to suit the sanding task. There is also an interface pad for super soft contours. The dust extractor has a volume control on it so you can turn down the vacuum. This is important so that the sanding surface doesn't get sucked down too hard to the surface. The hose is also anti-static plus you can get one where the electrical supply is integrated into the hose to stop tangles. The Festool SYSTEM is expensive but worth every penny. I think Oneida makes a unit which clips to the top of the CT so you don't have to worry about knocking it over.
I had the same problem with the hose falling off of my Bosch 6" RO sander. Like the Festool, it has an outlet in line with the handle. However, the outlet is hard plastic. I use a 2' section of narrow diameter hose that fits it, and pinned the hose in place by drilling a hole in both and inserting a nail. A piece of tape holds it on and the short hose stays with the sander. At the other end, I put an adapter to the larger diameter hose that fits the Dust Deputy. The large diameter hose doesn't tend to pull out of the adapter by itself. Long runs of hose work better in large diameter anyways.
The dust deputy is also available in a DIY version that is just the cyclone for about $50. I mounted it on a 5 gallon bucket, and secured it to the top of a hand-truck style Ridgid shop vac. The whole rig moves around together. The dust deputy works great for sanding anti-fouling paint and golden retriever shedding.
Thank you, I have been waiting for this for a while, thank you so much. I wonder if you would drive a pin true the disconnecting hose at the connection if it would stay in place. Make it very snug.
The 20-foot boat I’m building is for me and at 80 years old it will be my last. Keep at it, is good to watch you and helpful. From A French guy from New Brunswick Canada. Onil. Comeau
Andy, besides just putting a hose clamp on the connection , which it seems you always use together, you could also, glue a strip of male Velcro to one side of hose and the female to the other hose and just attach them that way. Like a 3/4 to a 1" strip
A woodworking friend turned me on to the Dust Deputy. It and a hepa filter turned my ordinary shop vac into a dust collecting beast.
Some air powered DA sanders have the supply and vac hose all in one. We use DA sanders with a dust bag attached. Works ok. Dust is bad tho. Needs to be collected
The new MIRKA is awesome
Agreed on you get what you pay for sander wise. I can't count the number of times I watch people in the boat yard try and sand the bottom of their boat with a 5 inch sander from harbor frieght. I get it you don't want to spend a lot for a sander your gonna throw a bunch of bottom paint through but the job will go a lot faster with a better sander. I went and splurged on a Bosch 6.5 inch unit that has a dual gearbox so it becomes not a random orbit but a powered orbit turns it half way to a grinder. I've had that for 3 years and 4 boat paint jobs and it's still going strong. Yeah it won't last forever and it was $300 instead of the I'm sure much nicer Fein price, but it gets a lot of work done.
I have the Rotex RO 125. I assume you're looking at the 150. Being able to switch between grinding and RO mode is nice. It has a shorter stroke than the Fein though and weighs in a bit less. The locking dust connector works and would be an upgrade over their previous connectors for you (which worked fine). The big downside is Festool uses their own dust collection hole pattern. So you're stuck buying from them and your existing abrasives won't work unless you want to punch new holes in it or use Abranet. Check out Mirka as well.
I was an HVAC tech till I retired early. I’m almost 51 years old. I worked for a latex glove and condom factory and we used TONS of talcum powder which is one of the finest powders to try and filter. I used whole building talcum powder filtration systems and maybe you could find a used one to use in your shop. SOME OF Mine was self cleaning so I would only have to clean about once a month. They make smaller versions cause I used them. I was just letting you know all this so maybe you could look for a used one to use and make your life a little easier. 👍👍
I've been looking for a sanding machine like that fein, i've found a RUPES BR112AES that has a 12mm oscillating sanding circle. In comparison that fein has a oscillating sanding circle of 8.4mm. I think that +-3,6mm makes a huge difference in the fiberglas removal speed.
I used to sell vacuum systems many years ago and that was a problem with hose connections back then
Two 3'4"to 1"self tapping sheet metal screws thru the hose adapter into the hose should hold the hose in place. It worked for me.
I lived in Germany for ten years in the military and the hose look like a quick disconnect on the orange fitting like a air hose. Very common in Germany and then you can add a hose clamp to the end of the rubber hose.
Grate video as all the time. I have a festool rotax 150. But I really would like to upgrade to a Mirka Deros. Check it out before you make your decision.
If your respirator doesn't fit properly or shifts it won't be doing you any good. That's why respirators should be the last resort, or supplemental protection, for lung protection. You might find it interesting to go to your local firehouse and talk to the firefighters on how they get their respirator fit tested. Which is something they do periodically. You might find it interesting to talk to an industrial hygienist about proper respirator fit. He or she might be willing to come on the show and explain what to look for.
An added benefit I have found finish sanding in home and furniture projects. Dust collection reduces clean up. Also the sandpaper doesn't load up, making it last longer, and gives better finish faster. I have now idea if that would be the same with boats.
Hello, I really enjoy your videos, they are very didactic, thank you very much! In your opinion, which is the best sanding disc (brand / grain) to use with an orbital sander in the preparation of a sailboat s bottom and deck (epoxy paint and polyurethane)? Thanks a lot! Greetings from Argentina
what if you use a inner sleeve between the hose and the rubber adapter and a couple of hose clamps? Obviously it will reduce the internal diameter a bit.
I have an idea for your sander. Tie line around the hose, put a small metal adjuster (like what are on tent ropes), put a clip on the end. Attach the hose wrap rope around the motor and clip it and tighten the adjuster... just a thought.
I have like 8 fans blasting out of my garage, neighbors get a good deal on there boat repairs, I have a dust collector too, but it only helps so much. lol.
When it comes to professional tools you spend way more on sanding pads, nails, screws or whatever than the price of a good tool.
Thanks for the great video. What about the mini belt sander you’ve used in the past. Looks like it has a 1” wide belt that sticks out several inches away from the motor and is blue like Makita. Thanks for the help.
Check out Sail Life, Mads does a video about that sander which he bought by Andy's suggestion. He includes a link to the model he purchased, same one Andy uses.
What if you took a bolt or metal rod and made a locking mechanism for the current sander similar to the other brand? The rod may block the hose slightly but it may help alleviate the hose slipping out.
A small line/twine/rope? between the sander and the vac hose would save you a lot of tool throwing also. Same concept as boaters use so they don't loose tools overboard.
Festool is THE way to go. The boatyard rented those to owners to do their bottom jobs to help contain the toxic dust created when sanding hulls. Dust containment when sanding boat hulls is required by law and the Festool system works great. No hose problems either. Their vacuum and sander system would be hard to improve on. You'll have to spend some green but you'll get a top-of-the-line machine.
I bought the Festool through your link. Thanks for the information. I need to completely remove old paint and gelcoat from cabin top and deck in order to glass and refinish. In one of the Bertram videos, you mentioned using a belt sander. What do you use? Also, any suggestions on where to buy sand paper? I''m in eastern U.S.
Andy, just wondering which method you’ve found works best for cleaning your sander after a job. I use the same Fein sander as you primarily for sanding boat bottoms, however sometimes simply blowing the dust out of the unit with air doesn’t cut it.
How about modifying some Dyson click on fittings clamped to the rubber.?
The vacuum connection seems like a 3D printing opportunity. Or maybe you can pop rivet it into place.
Do you reuse fiberglass dust. Do you add it as a filler to thicken resin?
Stop by a bicycle shop and ask for a bad 26" tube and cut some 2" sections. Slide one or two of these over the rubber coupling on your sander to tighten it up. it won't risk cutting your hands like a hose clamp and still lets you disconnect. I have a touch of pink lung from delivering insulation to houses for over a year so watch your health everyone!
What type of sand paper is best to use
I've had a Fein vac going strong for a decade now. Quietest machine available I believe. Love it but I too am miffed by the rubber hose. Also, the fact that the hose doesn't fit standard North American vacuum attachments is annoying. I've also considered the Festool transition but the cost is hard to swallow. Also, the vacuum footprint is pretty big compared to my small Fein. An issue in my crowded shop.
In an ideal world, the vacuum would be located outdoors. The problem with most systems, even with Hepa filters, is that the most dangerous particles are the sub-micron ones that are too small to be trapped, and then all your vacuum system does is make the particles air-borne as they get distributed through the exhaust port (those dust collectors sold to hook up to your power tools are the worst, as they don't filter anything but the largest sawdust particles with those big, open-pore bags. They're ok for helping to keep the shop generally clean, but I'll bet they're monsters for spreading the microscopic particles around). However, in our northern climes the machine probably wouldn't survive being outdoors all winter. A compromise is to set the machine up in a sealed ply box next to an exterior wall or garage door with a vent duct leading the exhaust flow outdoors (i.e. like a clothes dryer). But then you need one heck of a long hose, and there you might have too much of a pressure drop. Depends on your shop configuration. Also, I recommend an air scrubber fitted with a Hepa filter, like those that you can hang from the ceiling (can be purchased on Amazon for under three hundred bucks) that runs around the clock. Every once in a while I'll open both garage doors, don a respirator, and use a leaf blower to blow as much dust as possible outside, and then leave the scrubber running overnight before going back in. Works especially well on a blustery day when the wind swirls in and displaces a lot of shop air. Helps clear the air.
A vacuume hose should drape down from above so you are not dragging it around.
I have a dumb question...can you mix the fiberglass dust with resin to make your "peanut butter"?
Andy, not a dust topic, but do you find it necessary to add an epoxy topcoat after using Total Boat's Total Fair? I faired the bow after repairing a pulled out bow eye and read an article that thought it was necessary to add an epoxy topcoat after using fairing compound. Thoughts?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I appreciate your videos and looked for the link to your patreon account, now you have gone full time on boatworks today 😊 but the link does not work on click 🤔
Hi Finn! That is interesting about the link, will have to look into that. Until then if you'd like to check out my Patreon page this should take you there! www.patreon.com/BoatworksToday
With your skills, you should work for SPACEX . Today they successfully picked up the fairing. They are basically carbon GRP. As per Elon "Falcon fairing halves missed the net, but touched down softly in the water. Mr Steven is picking them up. Plan is to dry them out & launch again. Nothing wrong with a little swim." They probably need a light sanding and new barrier coat and some paint to fly again. I think they are worth $6m or something...
What about an exhaust fan to the outside ??
Festool are very good but I’ve upgraded to Mirka using there Abranet sanding disc technology in both electric and air tool options and there is no going back ✅ biggest problem with Festool and Fein is they are very heavy units.
Agree I LOVE the Abranet! It's all I use for sanding at the moment. They are a lil pricey but last much longer. They save time and money in the end.
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Can you show us your Jonh Deer tractor?
local hardware store should have male/female pvc extension for your sander to vacuum est $2
It should be made right when you buy it..
When your tools and skills are what's making you your money, they are no longer a purchase, they are an investment.
I do have the Rotex 150 and I love it. But I will say it looks far from the quality of that fein sander. I have changed the brushes two times in six years. But I am not a professional and only use it occasionally. Fortunately it's not that expensive and the first 3 years the warranty covered it for me.
I hope they will launch a brushless version in time for your current sander to give up.
1 or 2 sheet metal screws through the rubber joint
That's a lot of frustration to endure for the want of a strip of duct tape
...come on man. You gotta know duct tape is not the answer..
Your clothes are colour coordinated to you Fein equipment. 😆😆
dont understand all the complaining about the attachment of the vacum hose.
theres already a hose clamp in one end. just add another at the other end and bob's your uncle.
Its not like your going to be swapping the vacum hose from that tool to another every 5 minutes.
Ok I love you videos but seriously come on you have had that how long and you haven’t adapted something that works for you
I had the same problem different sander but it drove me mad in the first week of owning it so because like you I’m good with my hands
I fixed the problem by making a different adapter
Your coach got whacked today, wrong time for sure. How about at the end of the season if it needs to happen at all.
So, agreed the dust produced is hazardous. What do you do when the drum fills up? Just dump it out into the world or do you seal up and replace the drum and let a hazmat company take over?
It's called a garbage bag. Do you live/work in a garbage bag? If so, you have bigger problems than dust control...
Fiberglass dust is inert, it is basically plastic powder. It is hazardous to human beings or any living thing that has lungs if it is airborne and then inhaled. As a bagged up byproduct it is not considered hazardous.
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