Gone Too Soon: Cartoonist Kayfabe's Ed Piskor
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this video, we reflect on the passing of Ed Piskor, a talented comic artist, and co-host of Cartoonist Kayfabe. While Ed's impact on the comic book industry and his passionate advocacy for the medium will always be remembered, we also want to take a moment to address the importance of mental health awareness. Suicide is a deeply complex and painful issue that affects countless individuals and their loved ones. It's a reminder of the profound impact mental health struggles can have on anyone. And how much pain can be caused when the internet mob mentality takes hold. Let's also use this opportunity to start conversations about mental health, reach out to those who may be struggling, and support one another with empathy and understanding.
If you or someone you know is struggling with suicidal thoughts or mental health challenges, please reach out for help. You are not alone, and there are people who care about you.
National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-TALK (8255)
Let's honor Ed's memory by spreading compassion, empathy, and hope.
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I am a friend of Ed’s, knew him for 20+ years. In fact, I met him because I photographed him many years back when I worked at the City Paper. (Haven’t been there since 2015 and the paper has been sold twice and is a total rag now, as evidenced by the completely unethical hatchet job articles they rushed to publish about these allegations.)
The stories all ran before any complete evidence could be verified, substantiated or corroborated. It’s mortifying how the media, both local and trade pubs, grabbed onto the allegation story and spread it without corroborating evidence or triple checking sources, taking time to weigh Ed’s side or give him a chance to defend himself. I no longer really work in media and after this, I’m glad.
I live pretty close to him but I’m a bit older than him and not in the comics scene, so I had no idea this was happening to him or I would have reached out to him. Fuck, I have his cell number in my phone; it would have been so easy. But, like Ed, never in a million years would I have expected the comic scene would turn on him in the way it did. It’s abhorrent.
He did not deserve this. His family did not deserve this. I wish the people who propagated and inflamed this whole situation had to stand and look into his mom’s eyes like I did yesterday at his funeral, and apologize for the way the world took her son away from her. And for what?
Congratulations. As Ed said in his suicide note, you all got your pound of flesh. And the rest of us lost someone we loved for it.
I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you for conveying your thoughts about your friend and a human being. We seem to have lost this in this community. I appreciate your heartfelt words about Ed Piskor.
@@davidtyler6708 wait this isn’t a joke? Ed’s dead?
@@StevenLoby Yes. Ed Piskor has passed away. He deleted himself a couple of months ago over allegations over getting involved with a minor.
I gave up on comics and drawing early in highschool (freshman year) but when covid happened( months before graduating) I had nothing to do which I then found Cartoonist Kayfabe, I got back into comics and I've been drawing in hopes that one day i could have been proud enough of my work so I could send it to Ed and Jim to review. Its not gonna happen but I'll still push that book out for Ed no matter how many more years it takes.
I feel like I have somewhat the same story, and the same goal, man.
Truly, same here! I bought an iPad and started learning procreate and have been practicing so much. Kayfabe forever.
When that book comes out come back to this video and let me know I’ll buy a copy
@@lucasshea3382 You'll be getting a free copy when I'm done. I'm three pages in (two interior, one cover) so it'll be a while.
This is wild. I really enjoyed Cartoonist Kayfabe, and Ed was a great talent. I can't even get my head around it right now. I loved his insight, loved the commentary, and I really wish he had just muscled through what would eventually be just a footnote in his life.
We've reached a point due to social media that's it's just better for a man to _never_ speak to a woman in any capacity. Now Ed is gone, his family and Jim Rugg are suffering, and she'll go on her merry way with no effect on her life.
I love women but no longer attempt to talk anything more than very boring small talk.
@funnymcfunfuns1455 I'd do the same, too. Small talks are nice.
This is one of the reasons why I decided to stay single. I can't with those folks. It's just disgusting behavior from those folks, and the current "political" climate made it worse.
We need to support the cartoonist by kayfabe channel. Any ideas how ? If this channel carries on ,it will send the haters a clear message
Maybe this is why so many parts of the world are in demographic decline these days. We just don’t f’ing trust each other anymore.
@@namelesswhocares8648buy merch and watch the vids. Maybe they’ll come back later. But rn I’m sure that’s the last thing on their minds.
I've been collecting comics for 50 years and never known anything like this. The industry seems to have went out of it's way to attract bad faith sociopaths. They clearly have no interest in comics- they only seem to be here for the drama.
The industry is full of ex Tumblrina's they got worse and took over Twitter and art and animation place.
The Role Playing Game industry has gone the same way.
I’m so tempted to end participating in this hobby.
I don't think he did anything wrong because I'm older(older than Dok) and have seen a lot. For like 2 decades, people have been using certain words like pedophile and groomer totally wrong. A lot of people would be alive right now if a older man didn't talk to a younger woman.
Many of the cancel pigs are bitter with jealousy because they’re old hags
Very true! By the way, you mean 'wouldn't' in the last sentence right? I think that was a typo
Thanks, Wes and Aaron, for addressing a really difficult situation and doing it with maturity and class, insight and honesty ( things that are sadly missing from the internet hordes of torches and pitchforks ).
Thank you. We do our best.
Was very disappointed by your previous coverage of Ed. I thought it was very strange that you were jumping on the bandwagon to begin with. Please learn from this and don't let it happen again.
Where’s that previous video? Was it removed?
@@philliptyndall6005 made private
@@philliptyndall6005 yeah they did.
@@philliptyndall6005It was, out of respect for the tragedy of Ed’s passing.
We all make mistakes.
This is so sad and depressing. Ed Piskor passing was a tragedy. Classical comic artist Mark D. Bright passed away in this week too. He drew classic Iron Man 200 and the Armor Wars arc. Another terrible year to the industry.
And Quantum and Woody comic series!!
@@jamesf8269 I never read Quantum and Woody. Nothing about them was realised here in my country.
“What a Creep” was a mistake. It needed to be treated more cautiously. The SJWs and cancel pigs always somehow get the good guys to join them.
Something didn’t seem to add up to me when I first heard the allegations. I blame myself for not at least leaving a comment saying so. For one thing, many of us “like” photos on social media years after they were posted. As far as I know, we can see when comments are posted, but there is no way to tell when something is “liked.”
There's never grey area with these people.
There is no area for these people. Thats how it works
Yeah this girl needs to be cancelled too.
R.I.P to Ed Pisker ❤ May you draw in the heavens and beyond 😢.
He didn't believe in God or heaven.
Thank you speaking about this with such class, it is a sad world we live in that a person gets his life destroyed without any concrete evidence, it seems guilty until proven innocent is the way these people think.
24:44 onwards. Powerful and heartfelt talk guys. Thanks so much for sharing.
Cancel pigs should be cancelled, period
Comicsgate site Fandom Pulse started the lies everyone gangpiled onto. Cancel those sexist terfs.
Are you really calling to cancel people who call people to cancel someone else. Whith that logic should you be cancel?
@@martingarciablaya3262”hmmm I’m going to be smart and use wordplay while ignoring what op said”
@@martingarciablaya3262 conservative logic.
@@MutantsInDisguiseLoser.
Thank you both for opening up to each other and your audience about your personal experiences. I wish you both well in the future. This whole tragic story is distressing and, most importantly, was completely, 100% avoidable. I feel so bad for the Piskor family and his friends.
Hi I remembering following your shows before Ed’s note was published and the tragedy happened. Even if both of you were among the ones who pushed the news to his disservice, you handled the topic pretty calmly back then and weren’t definitely among the most hardcore accusers, preferring for some more internal investigation to get done before calling him a monster… anyway the guy needed public defence and you didn’t provide it either. I think it’s blatant you’re smart enough to understand that your revision of events is a bit borderline here, ethically speaking. You shouldn’t have covered the topic in the first place giving space to random accusers to vent out on your stream’s comments.
I don’t think it’s revisionist history at all, I think it’s context; nonetheless, I think you’re making a good faith argument, and it’s a fair position.
Ed's family have the receipts
Great chat guys. Level headed and displaying enough courage to push back where it is needed.
Appreciate you. 🙏
@@SparrowAaron You do? Well Thank You Aaron. I appreciate the gesture.
really appreciate the thoughtfulness and humanity here. thanks
wes it is good that you are reflecting and considering your actions. Unfortunately in this social media world negativity feeds clicks and everyone should reflect on that and on the media world we all create through those choices. However, you also need to forgive yourself as you would or should forgive others. Sempre avanti.
The fact you are reflecting internally on this demonstrates you have something so many others seem to be lacking: a conscience. That is what makes us grow and mature; its the voice that tells us what we are doing is either right, wrong or maybe could be improved. If everyone took a moment to think about their actions or words, including myself I will admit from this keyboard, what a better world this would be. Thank you for speaking honestly.
Disgraceful that these horrendous people drove this man to this, over absolutely nothing, he did absolutely nothing to deserve what these people did.
I appreciate the follow-up here. You guys seemed to carry your share of pain. I guess we all need a fresh reminder of how overwhelmed people can get. lt is far too easy to get caught up in this social media, which is its own form of mental illness.
What really hapened? Somebody please explain for me? I don't see the begining of the story and i can't understand the hole thing.
They burned this man to the ground. The reason you cant find it is because they remove the stories after their words kill someone
In 2020 Pisko and a 17 Year Old girl by the name of Molly had some back and forth messages where Piskor was being a bit flirty with the young girl despite knowing about her age.
Nothing ever happened after that.
2 weeks ago some of the text messages got leaked online. (4 years later...) and Piskor's reputation got destroyed. So much hate coming at him, that he ultimatly ended his life.
Thinking Critical had initially made a video mentionning the subject for a bit but without taking a position. I believe he may have removed the video after Piskor's passing. Cannot blame him
Thank ypu for explain.
Its crazy a man can bust his ass for most of his adukt life to make something of himself..only to have it destroyed in an instant.
This is so sad. The internet only furthers the human condition. I do want to communicate that the video you did about him was very fair. I came out of watching that video feeling that this was a witch hunt. Even if he flirted with a 17-year-old who was also flirting with him. You gave a very fair and balanced piece of coverage. And you were among the few who handled it properly. I was a fan of his grand design comics and his channel. My wife and I will be praying for his family, that is not a passive statement, you will be in our daily prayers.
How is pushing someone to suicide is not a crime?? How is people just allowed to hurt, blame, ruin lives and do whatever they want with literally ZERO consequences???
They need to answer. This angry mob should be stopped, once and for all
you can't push someone to suicide. it's a choice.
This was a really good discussion about this tragedy. I feel like your first video talking about the situation last week was actually very responsible and fair. RIP Ed.
I'm still furious. Ed was a lonely, middle aged man who spent his entire time on comics or youtube. I could see how this was going to end... How could it not? Sorry I couldn't do more, Ed. Love ya, brother, get some peace... See ya around. X
Interesting observation. It's like in comics people just fall between the cracks of society. I can identify with that
@@theragoooverlord5021 yeah actual comics folk and not co-opting activists.
Suppose there’s a male high school art teacher who sees a lot of promise in a female student. Are we at the point, these days, where he’s wiser to offer her no support whatsoever, lest he inadvertently create the appearance of impropriety?
It’s a tough line to walk, considering the times. I guess my advice would be no private communication or instruction; do everything in a group setting, if possible.
Dude, most teachers don't invite students to stay over their house. This whole thing is a mess. But some of you guys seem to be cherry picking the details.
@@SparrowAaron I think you’re right. The scary thing is that you can do everything right and probably still end up facing accusations, if you’re dealing with the wrong person.
@@caprice28 I wasn’t trying to suggest that such a scenario is perfectly analogous to Ed Piskor’s situation. I certainly wouldn’t condone blind trust in authority figures, because there will always be people who abuse that trust.
Personally, I don’t think Ed was trying to groom the girl, but I don’t know what was really in his heart. I just regret that our society has reached a point where we always have to be mindful of how others might misconstrue things we say or do. It just seems vaguely East German to me.
The Germans are unified, they knocked down the wall in the 80s.
Some people claim, the Holocaust never happened.
Thank you for sharing your experiences
Their will be no justice for Ed and his family. No one on YT or social media will have the guts to go after them
Glad to hear this topic discussed this way. A lot of people have taken a much more uneven handed approach ranging from blaming Ed/others to applauding what happened. Some but not many have offered candid first hand experience with this difficult topic and suggestions for how to better handle it. Appreciate taking the time to acknowledge that initially maybe mistakes were made by you both.
I think a good way to honor Ed would be to practice a bit more restraint when it comes to casting judgment on others regarding personal topics, that we really have no business being involved in. People with a megaphone can really do some serious damage to others people’s lives, with devastating consequences, especially when they don’t have all of the facts.
I don’t know that we passed judgement (we were very open about wanting to hear Ed’s side of things) but we definitely could have done better, treated it more seriously. I think the industry has become so vile and sleazy that we became numb to it; we have to remember this going forward.
I teared up when you talked about ur experiences dealing with depression and in Alex Sparrow case suicidal thoughts. I've been there and I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemies. I ended up having seizures due to stress and lack of sleep and diagnosed with Epilepsy later. I am in a better place now. Honestly I don't think I'll ever be 100% again and the anxiety sometimes gets on top of me but I'm taking it day by day. My family is wonderful.
I don't always agree with everything u say on the channel but you covered this hard topic in good taste and I applaud you for that. Hope u guys are ok.
Thank-you for this podcast and sharing your thoughts and personal experiences.
Ed's passing has really messed with my head. I hope this shines more of a light on the psychos in comics industry. Especially the ones who went after Ed.
I didn't follow this situation or know the people involved in this story, but I think it's a shame that this happened. To me this situation could of been avoided. IDK what the right answer is but I wish that Ed reached out for help.
This was a very respectful video. You did an excellent job of explaining the situation but also went through all the sides and everyone involved. I appreciate how both you and Aaron handled this and unfortunately it had to be handled. Could people who didn't know Ed have changed his decision? I doubt it but sentiment matters. Hopefully if any person feels that that can't survive they do reach out and find help.
R.i.p. mister piskor
Trolls online will write anything to drive up emotional responses. They might not even care about or know the topic, they just see an opportunity to exploit a messy situation. At the same time, there's a whole lot of victim blaming going on. Sadly Ed over reacted, and based on his suicide note, his suicide was a massive "fuck you" to everyone. He wasn't "murdered by internet bullies" He took the most dramatic, over the top course of action he possibly could.
This is horrifying, but the way you all walked through what happened was respectful. I've been there too. It's so common and I didn't know Ed, but have some industry friends that did and it is just so sad. All we can do is check in on our people if something seems off. I wad a fan of his work too. The world has really changed from keyboard warriors to people taking things to the next level. I don't know the facts, so I can't speak on it in that regard. It's just sad for his friends and family.
Can you go more into the Mark Waid Jason Pearson thing? I vaguely remember it
Aaron is mistaken about Jason's death. He died of natural causes several months after an aggressive and objectively uncalled-for rant against Afua Richardson. Jason had long earlier been diagnosed as bi-polar and (in step with his condition) was habitually divisive. Over the years he had alienated most of the people that had been his friends and his peer group. It is true that he had gotten into a very unproductive back-and-forth with Mark Waid on Twitter, but that was also several months before he died, and to be honest Jason had been getting into weird arguments with virtually everyone with whom he interacted since the 2010s. He had a penchant for ranting without provocation to and against the people who were hiring him for the occasional freelance gig and that probably prevented him from doing more side work, but had been working on completing a $40K crowd-funded project that he Kickstarted back in 2015. That and another announced series did not see completion by the time Pearson died of a stroke in December 2022.
@@popsequentialism7213 That makes more sense because I remember that outrage
@clonegeek3317 Jason died from a stroke and didn’t take his own life. The fellas misspoke here, which I’m sure was an honest mistake but it’s important to point out. 🙏
Turns out I had bad info. I’ll be doing a retraction.
This sucks. I just started following his stuff. I had no clue about this controversy, it wasn't even on my radar and probably would have batted an eye to it. I was just getting into his stuff.
Will you call out Ethan Van Schiver????? He was one of the main ones who cheered at Ed's pain!
Aaron is probably the only voice of reason on this channel. And you guys didn't waste any time speculating and trolling the internet sludge before much was known about this strange case. Be more discreet in the future or l am DONE with Thinking Critical.
I think we’ll definitely be more circumspect of what we consider newsworthy in the future.
Rest in power Ed P
I only watched the one stream with a panel of you guys about Piskor and I thought you were all even handed about it. Anyone that followed Ed knows he had a Robert Crumb sort of pervy side--that part of his personality was on full display and completely baked into the cake. The fact is, his career was destroyed over rumors and that is completely unacceptable. Anyone who engaged in activism to get him fired needs to be held accountable.
Young girls who set men up like this is not uncommon. It happens so much that the judges just toss these cases out if the girl is 17 or almost 18 years old because this sex extortion. You can be charge for felony for doing this.
I really don't know what to say about all this or maybe it's more like anything I say about this would miss the bigger picture which is ed. As Wes said it's easy to say what we think was right or wrong about all this but the only truth here is a man is dead who shouldn't be
Thank you both for this and for being open and vulnerable with your own experiences. We are still having trouble believing this is real.
Social media has made society worse.
Thus, the revelation: the comic book industry is rotten to the core.
As Don Henley sang, "We can do the innuendo, we can dance and sing-- When it's all said and done, we haven't told you a thing. We all know that crap is king, give us dirty laundry." Molly D flung $hit at Ed Piskor and defamed him without context or real proof in order to generate sensational and emotional reactions, and all of the pile-ons joined in to try to magnify the response. It's clear to me that there was professional jealousy of Ed as he was rising up to the pinnacle of success, and she and her followers did her best to shatter his rise to success, timing the release of the "sexual abuse" allegations just before his art show and book deal. Then the media becomes complicit with the ambush interviews and doxxing Ed's family's address as well as his own. Then Ramone Villalobos essentially blackmails Jim Rugg (IMO) into separating himself from Ed to protect his teaching career... I do wish Ed had stayed and fought these people, but he was vulnerable, and he was driven to choose the most conflict-avoidant way to deal with this... but I still think the internet bullies should be made accountable --
I’m so disappointed in how the big dogs in comic book news media are sanitizing what led to this. No more protecting cancel piggies
Never believe women.
based
Sadly that what happens to people who are "always online" they lose contact with reality, and people still haven"t learned that you never ask forgiviness or prostratrate yourself to those that want do destroy you, unfortunately I dont think neither he or his closed ones where really "aware" of that fact about cancel culture, they should have just ignored it.
I think that Rippaverse would have had a spot for him once cleared of all allegations. This is so fucking sad...
Emotions replacing any respect for the Law.
Meanwhile a sullen Frank Castle is shooting tin cans off a fence in exile, becoming aware that his teeth are clenched. " Its the world they wanted and even begged for ," he thinks.
But then he hears a shift in the tide down on the shore of some Central American village and pauses to reload.
He thought bubbles "The storm is on the way, and Ive got to move on. I will survive to see the consequences of the naivity abroad but I cant say the same for a great many of people."
A New War Journal is underway. Only the enemies are a bit harder to recognise. Not to worry.
FRANKS GOT IT COVERED.
Women that falsely accuse men of horrible acts, are the real problem. Cancel culture follows right after. They didn’t care…they sicked the hounds on this man. Men have to deal with the aftermath of false allegations. “We’re guilty, until proven less guilty.” Sadly, he was never going to shake off the title of creep or sexual predator. And that’s bad enough, but when his career/passion in life was taken. He felt it was over, no amount of support was going to change that.
How did we get to a point in society we’re no persons can make a mistake or say something out of line in there past or present and that be enough to completely write off that person as if everything they have contributed is for nothing?! News flash… nobody is perfect! Even Alex de campi, Molly and Zoe Quinn
Notice though that he was being attacked online by people making UA-cam videos. You guys also make UA-cam videos to attack people. I think that as comics fans we should stop doing that.
In the effort to make utopia, they've made dystopia.
None of the people at fault will pay any recompense.
Time to deactivate the activists, surely? RIP Ed
Social media?
the funny thing is that the mob is actually weak. they can be beaten and destroyed. look at youngrippa or other people in comics that have been "cancelled" all ed had to do was embrace the other side...
Simps rule. Look it up
Your Thumbnail was Clickbaity but I watched the whole video and there was really nothing wrong said. You took a pretty neutral stance. There were others who said much more accusatory and ignorant things.
Awesome work guys
I was talking with one of the victims family members & they replied to my story where I was talking about how awful it was hearing about Ed Piskor basically saying that what about the Victims, and she was saying that the media twisted it but she seemed to be very unfeeling towards Ed when I said that they doxxed him and made it impossible for him to go back to his home town witch she dismissed
I asked if she was a fan of Cartoonist Kayfabe and she said she was related to one of the victims and called Ed a horrid abuser, and I realise that I haven't seen the proof she spoke of
So it seems very convenient
15:15 HELLO. This kind of vicious speech is worse than idolatry , adultery and murder combined. There should be charges made for such libelous and dangerous talk. But see how they run for cover and offer up excuses . Some have even been pulling down their videos of character assassination before Ed's demise. Well thats a start at least. But Ed is gone forever and you can't just fill the loss with regret or even retribution against the offenders. The most we could do would be to crack down a little harder against such serious labeling before proof of true guilt is provided. I dont care whos or what community we are talking about. We mustn't give in to knee jerk mob mentality . But it can't stop there. Because free society runs unchecked in voicing its outrage prematurely we all have a responsibility to constantly remind those engaged in the buzz that certain accusations remain to be substantiated, Or that something seems unclear etc etc . Objections are usually not comfortable for the rebuked but What else do we have under these circumstances?
Thank You both for a level headed approach to this issue. It is appreciated by many Im sure.
And during this painful reflection I suppose it should be said that the limited yet positive defense against the beast at the door was and is heart warming and reminds us that we are not all insane with the fkn ghoulish borg that has seeped into this industry and dog wagging basketcase mentality letting loose their misdirected melt down animosity.
Who ELSE is going to keep it in check? An oppressive Government reaching its hand into your Online freedoms? No thanks.
Balance.
Yeah, I’m back to say that didn’t Howard Stern say he wanted to ban children just about every day on freaking national radio. In a day and age where it’s out there everywhere and everybody’s doing it, now we are prudes. I’ll remind you that in the state of Texas 17. It’s consensual the shit of him being a story in the first place, if we respect women and their own choices in life.
I’m a father and I’ve always felt that it’s inappropriate the mess around with young girls how ever it is pretty freaking normal for 30 something to talk to a 17-year-old especially if he thinks he’s impressing her and she’s pretty. Suddenly people live in a whole different reality than the one I live in where 25 year olds. Marry 15 year olds every other day. But let’s talk about the real issue. Here are women, strong and independent. Can’t they make their own decisions at what age are they capable of making their own decisions. At what point does trying to impress a woman become grooming. I pass all the laws in the world and cancel everybody and then will still chase after women that are too young for them and we’re gonna sit around and pretend that women don’t like older men. Everybody put it in your pants because all you get today is trouble.
Actually, I apologize for posting these poorly worded rants. I stumbled onto this mess, listening to UA-cam videos while I was mowing the grass. I used voice recognition and was very upset. When my daughter ran off with an older man, my family vilified me for standing against it. People were talking about sexual misconduct in a situation where sex was never involved with this young man. That is why this man is dead. In a time when sexuality is on display and everywhere! Please God, let this be a wake up call to the world
As weird the incomplete dms that were shown, still he was in title for a fair trial.
Without knowing them, i guarantee the people that spread these lies and exaggerations about him have ACTUALLY done way worse things then what they were trying to cancel him for.
Does Wes live in a submarine?
ComicsGate supporters were amongst the first to cancel Ed and low key this channel... that's the FACTS.
None were noted in his letter. Seems more like being ostracized by his peers then named these said antifa type activists. Same activists have shown no acknowledgement at all going on the attack again
youre broadbrushing... bro dont.
@@Mondoness Boom. Exactly as I thought , you ComicsGaters are the epitome of broad brushing but the minute someone calls you out on your BS, you start running. Cowards. Stand up take account of your actions like a man would do.
1Corinthians 7:36 But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.
Well said both of you.. agree I wish Ed would’ve cleared things up instead of making the choice he made it was probably difficult to see a better future for himself
With context it’s not at all what it seemed to be definitely bad judgement to be in the DMs of someone who’s 17 at his age he admitted it looked bad
I didn’t know anything about the nude model question but it’s not uncommon in art for someone to pose for that if they’re comfortable with it
That part about him talking about a place to crash cause others offered that to him I think he had the mindset of a time that no longer exists
Where you could be four strangers sharing an apartment and working your way to become a famous band like the Rolling Stone’s
Pre internet I’m sure that was very common Jim Shooter had to have his mother drive him to DC for his writing job at 14 when he created parasite in Action Comics
Now I’m sure you could just email your writing credits or art portfolio to someone and seek a job interview
*Last thing I want to end on I think the words Pedo and grooming gets thrown around too much..a lot of people just use the word and don’t understand what actual grooming is I’ve seen Yellow Flash throw around those words very carelessly and while I don’t agree with Flash I hope this opens his eyes to how dangerous that is to say to his audience without proof because I don’t want someone else to harm themselves because public opinion didn’t follow up with facts and proof not trying to throw mud at Flash I just think if Ed was broken from this and he could’ve cleared things up I don’t want someone else to feel like their life is ruined and not defend themselves at all*
RIP Ed 🙏 I give my deepest condolences to your family during this time
Who gives a shit about what "they" say? Patreon and Kickstarter give you a career. The new penalty for slander should be permanent banning from from social media. Amanda Conner wasn't being groomed when she modeled for Elektra. How did we end up in a world where it's normal for 20 year olds to act like they're 12?
So tired of social media being the judge and jury. Eff the cancel pigs.
They should IGNORED regardless. Or idk, a law that prevents this dirty behavior? Idk politics nor do I care, but I'm throwing spaghetti
America turned away from God. This is the result.
@@reginaldforthright805 DeviantArt
Defamation suits, especially when you are a public figure are extemely difficult to win in this country.
@VonRobitussin true also
Zoe Quinn and Alex de campi need to go on trial
I agree, someone should report both of them to the police yet people have unfortunately seemed to be too stupidly incompetent to do so, as of currently
Unfortunately, the out of touch boomers running our government do NOT comprehend the internet and what happens on it. Maybe one day when the olds finally give up their power we'll be able to see some new legislation for digital mobs, attempts to destroy one's own livelihood and doxxing.
Zoe Quinn, Alex De Campi, and Anita Sarkessian are like Bin Laden, Pol Pot, and Hitler
It's not that easy. Who did what and who is responsible for what? Do we haul EVS and Jon Del Arozz into court as well (go look at some of the stuff that clown is deleting right now)? or the entire internet? How would you actually legally prove any of it? Everyone contributed to this, and we now have to live with it.
@@redherringoffshoot2341 there not responsibe ed talking to minors isn't the crime so talking about it is? Like bidens administration. Im actually shock ppl dont care grown men talking to kids
The man was a stranger to me, I never met him, I read his comics and watched a bit of his channel. Yet, I've been trying my best not to cry. What happened was a tragedy and I've been left shaking with rage and tears in my eyes. My heart goes out to his family and friends.
Using the rumor mill for UA-cam channel content is a major part of the problem.
Jim Rugg comes over as a spineless disloyal human being in all this. The fact that he brought Ed soup afterwards cuts no ice with how Rugg disowned ed PUBLICLY. And then privately brings his pal soup? he's supposed to be a loyal friend, not a soup kitchen for indigents. The fact that Ed forgave him doesn't exonerate Rugg's spineless treachery.
What Jim Rugg showed was moral cowardice. Condolence messages sent to Jim Rugg overlook a glaring irony. " *Sorry for your grief over the longstanding friend that you publicly disowned when he was most vulnerable* ."
Yeah, it must have been absolutely CRUSHING when his 'close friend' Jim decided not to support him, and ended their business relationship over allegations... Did Jim BELIEVE the accusations? Definitely a cowardly move to abandon Ed at time when he must have been DESPERATE for someone to be on 'his side'. Hopefully Jim finds that the rest of his career is more fulfilling than standing up for his 'friend'.
I'd like to see a video of him explaining why he did what he did.
@@StreetPreacherryour last line cuts the deepest and I loved it. From your mouth to God's ear
Yup. NO support for Rugg or any of his endeavors moving forward. Lousy 'friend'.
Jim made a seriously bad call that worsened both the situation and Ed's pain, to put it mildly. His sundering of friendship and business relations with Ed would've been justified if Ed had actually done something illegal or exploited his stature in the industry, such as it was, to extort sexual favor. But none of that's been proven here.
It's not "depression" when people are actively conspiring to destroy you. It's hopelessness that is earned from their actions
I agree, but I also think it’s splitting hairs at this point.
@@SparrowAaron yet it's not because one is a serious condition that requires help, the other is an understandable response to external stimuli.
To sweep that distinction under the rug minimizes the culpability these people have in his death.
This is not a guy that just woke up last week in the grips of some existential despair out of nowhere.
That is an important point. Depression doesn't necessarily come just from inside somebody's own head.
Ed was hounded into a dark and hopeless place that he felt he would never be allowed back out of.
It is insane what people do to each other online. And as he said in his note, we are not built to deal with that.
They took away from him his ability to pay mortgage, buy food, live a life. I mean they basically killed. If someone can’t see that I’m not sure what they are missing.
Thank you. Misdiagnosing a cultural problem is a great way to not actually zero in on the real problem, something our current culture is very good at, because systemic problems should be treated as systemic problems, not as individual problems.
I still dont know what alex de campi has ever produced in the comic industry. I keeo hearing the name, usually associated with cancelling someone, but for the life of me what have tbey created or produced?
That's the issue, no one would know who she is but people like Ya Boi Zach keep putting her name out there and giving her power. Comics youtube made her.
Nothing notable on her resume but the creation of strife.
She has 228 comics written, nothing major, but a stream of stuff for 2000 AD, IDW, Dark Horse, and others, as well as at least one crowdfunded project which made its goal, I think. But you're right, all of that is far overshadowed by the harm she's done as one of the chief Whisperers, and that may in fact be her final legacy, unless there's some amazing complete 180-degree turn of conscience yet to come.
These people are still calling him a pea-doh? My god, these people are actually evil, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were actual demons.
It’s time to cancel cancel culture
Unfortunately that's kind of how this started. I noticed many channels complaining about cancel culture were trying their hardest to cancel Ed.
We need Anti Cancel Culture
Ed's death is not about you.
@@knocknockearth what is it about?
Not that Piskor was a victim.
Terrible. Tragic. He didn't have to go to such an extreme.
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. Deeply saddened by this. We lost an incredibly passionate and talented human being far too soon.
Some people can survive these attacks, Richard Meyers, Ethan Van Sciver come to mind, but they seem to have the pillars in their lives to help survive. Unfortunately, Ed did not, and has become a victim of these cancel culture mobs. the sad part about this these people is they got what they wanted.
That's mainly because the people in their lives didn't disown them. Everyone that was honest knew it was ridiculous. With Ed, none of his friends came out publicly to defend him. Some mightve emailed him or called but, even if they wanted to, they knew that if they publicly came out with a message of support they would be in the firing line and lose their careers and that's what the chose.
@@deathfab That's how small the comic book professional community is. Everyone knows everyone, and any accusation without concrete proof can ruin a career.
What I don't understand is why his family wasn't enough to lean on, at least temporarily. He has parents. He has his own house and his dad's house (both doxxed on Channel 4 Action news). He has at least one brother and sister (the sister was posting actively on Pittsburgh-related Facebook accounts of some mutual friends as recently as yesterday). It sounds like he might have a had a renter who would provide income too. He also had an army of supporters who would have come out in his defense. Also, what's weird about the exhibit (which was supposed to happen this coming Saturday) is that there was absolutely no publicity for it whatsoever, two weeks out from happening (I go around the city a lot, and I saw no Cultural Trust posters up for it). He could have waited the controversy out a bit, then met with the Trust people after all was explained, and rescheduled the exhibit. I think that there was more going on here than meets the eye. It's obvious from his note that he had a huge stewing resentment against the Whisper Network types, and that's not something which pops up overnight. It might have been something brewing in the background of his mind for a long time, and since he never talked about it publicly, it just festered inside him and caused him to snap and act rashly. The knee-jerk reaction that caused him to shadowban dozens of subscribers from his chat and comments a couple years ago (including us!) might have been a similar irrational thought process which led to his demise. Regardless of these brutal bullies (whom the family should definitely sue for negligence if they think they have a case), he was not in a clear mental state.
Do not include ComicsGate as some brothers in arms to Ed Piskor. Everyone knows what he thought of them and they were the first rejoicing in his cancellation.
@@deetee4403 I don't think anyone's including them as "brothers in arms". The original poster did not say that. His point was the Richard and Ethan (and about 20 others) survived cancellation and rose again, while Piskor threw in the towel even though he had a pretty solid support network (family, friends and fans) he could have leaned on to explain his situation, work through it, and plan an eventual comeback. Piskor individually banned dozens of subscribers from commenting and chatting on his channel, including us. And we don't even know why he did that to us, because he actively ignored us at several Comicons where we both had booths. Not just in Pittsburgh, but in several other cities where we could have *bonded over being from Pittsburgh*. He was cliquish, arrogant, and absurd. Yes, the creators who were banned or ignored by him experienced schadenfreude when he received a bit of the same treatment that he extended to them. But nobody, absolutely NOBODY in comics, wanted Piskor to self-harm other than the activist Internet bullies he clearly named in his suicide note. They are the culprits of his demise. Did he name anyone from CG? No. They are not the culprits. Not in the least.
I recently lost my father to suicide (intentional fentyl od). The signs were there for at least a month (December 28th 2023) everyone in my family tried to be there for him and help him but he was too far in the rabbit hole of depression and loss of hope. Rest in peace to Ed Piskor, and to anyone that reads this comment, someone is always there for you and your loved.
Sorry for ur loss
So sorry for your loss.
My condolences, Flash. That's very, very tough to go through.
Such a sad situation, I can only hope this never happens again. May Ed Piskor rest in peace.
If he dont talk to minors this dont happen youtubers ant responsible
@@NickholasWilson-wv5rm Multiple accusations, most if them probably false, no laws broken, there was no justice in this.
He was tried by the mob..
@@NickholasWilson-wv5rmPeople like you bare responsibility for SURE. He spoke to a fellow artists who was just under 18 and never said anything sexual or sent any nudes or anything crazy. All you’re working off of is your OPINION. So stfU!
@@NickholasWilson-wv5rm loooooollll, talking to minors isn't a death sentence, retard.
The braying mob does not believe in redemption, rehabilitation or the possibility of personnel and spiritual growth. Even Jesus himself would fall of the puritanical, authoritarian cry bullies.
If jesus came he would be on a cross by noon if he let them
@@wowbobwow-hr3gtthat already happened, the next time he comes he will takes us to the kingdom of God before destroying the present Earth. He will create a new Earth.
Piskor was an atheist and didn't believe in God or Jesus.
Piskor would now be in the Negative Zone.
Piskor's letter sounds authentic. It is really sad to hear that a person whose youtube channel I followed, who also lived 20 minutes away from me, went through so much in a short time. To read the words of a man who decided to end the only thing they have ever known(life,) and still go through with it is truly haunting. There is a ton of anger inside me reading all of the bad-takes by those who piled on and then tried to backtrack after the terrible news. I truly hope there is a civil suit against those directly involved with this witch trial; they deserve at least that much. Been checked out of comics for a while due to a change of jobs and schedule, but this has brought me back. There is entirely too much drama amongst a flailing industry of professionals who act like anything but professionals. Great talk as usual between you and Aaron.
Yeah. It was really well written too.
You could almost feel the calm and acceptance in his 'voice' in the way he was writing. He knew it was all over
:/
@@DekkarJr Wes'story about his mom... Holy shit! Words have power, and Ed Piskor's letter was beautifully written. So many parts of it are stuck in my head.
@3rdrail931 I don't know if this was meant for me, but ok. I didn't thank anybody, read it again. I was going to watch the stream, but it is now marked private. There were apologies and admissions of guilt for how parts of the conversation went by both Wes and Aaron. Sometimes, with youtubers, it is a race to "cover" a topic or a gifted reason to make a video; this can be annoying.
That’s the part I find the most chilling…
@VonRobitussin you people can't exist in a happy place. Good luck
You guys are not to blame for what Ed eventually did. He named the names and said it was being kick out of the "Tribe" that did it. I really think it was the local news and Jim Rugg's public statement that put it over the top. I forgot about Jason Pearson. That's two that the "Cancel Pigs" have taken. EDIT: Pearson died of a stroke.
He might be alive if any of the circumstances went in his favor. His family seemed very supportive, but the lack of public support, especially his partner, made him feel like his life was already over.
Why did he get kicked out of the tribe?
JP died of a stroke.
@warzardtheboredtimelord2865 The boys misspoke here: Jason died from a stroke and did not take his own life. 🙏
Ah, I had heard differently. I will make a retraction on the next show.
This is a perfect example how mere accusations can destroy lives. No proof needed anymore. Men you need to be extremely careful when you talk to people in online, everything can be taken out of context, missunderstood or twisted and used against you.
Very sad about what happened and I hope Ed's family takes legal actions. If there are no consequences for ruining people's lives without evidence this will happen again
Alex Di Campi was named in his suicide note, yet there was still someone trying to pin this on Eric July who's never said anything about the guy.
There’s ALWAYS people going after Eric July. 😵💫
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND that everyone watch Ya Boy Zac's video on this subject..✝️