Thailand not only has a great manufacturing manpower and resources but also has a massive Harley culture. In fact, probably it comes second right after USA when it comes to cruisers, custom bikes and everything is Harley.
What are you talking about? Harley sales are very poor in Thailand, they don't even get in the top 10 bike brands sold in the country which is ruled by Japanese and Euro bikes. Even when looking at the custom culture it's dominated fully by Yamaha's and Triumphs.
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@@Nmh2el You have no idea what you are talking about honestly.
So much of our stuff is made out of the US. Phones, computers, electronics for all makes of cars and trucks. Clothing and about everything you can think of. I did buy a used bike about a month ago. A 22 with 8K on it. The same bike new was 9 grand higher. Saved some money and it had some add ons on it already. Thanks for the video!!
That is the best way to buy a bike. Let someone else do the add ons and then they trade it and start all over again. Sounds like you have a great bike. Ride Safe
I'm in Thailand. It cost crazy money to get a used Harley here. The import tax is crazy. Not everyone can have a Harley. The big baggers have to be imported. Any of those smaller cruisers are what they ride here. This I think is to get into the bike market in Thailand. I'm sure the government is cutting them a deal. Also, the bike market in Southeast Asia is huge. Crazy money to be made. It's 75-85% scooters and motorcycles here. Kids are riding scooters here at 6 years old.. People tour on scooters over here. Remember the labor is so cheap here. Look at the currency rate.
I don't think the Pan American will sell here. Too expensive for what you get + electrical issues + the motor is HOT. After riding the PA I bought an Africa Twin and couldn't be happier. IMO Harley should design something like the new Triumph 400 for the Asian market. I'd buy that or a new design Royal Enfield Classic 350 over a Harley here.
Not just that.... almost every motorcycle company out there are involved in bangkok's moto assembly lines. Thailand makes bikes and cars for everyone. largest in southeast asia, and 10th largest in world. thats a 2019 statistic, probably more now. it's not so much to corner the market but i agree with your point that the thai government is probably sweetening the deal. enough to say f* you to the american union workers.
As a former Pan America owner I can understand this. The PA sold overseas that are already built in Thailand have a far better reputation and quality than the American assembled one.
My guess is that it's a newer facility where they are assembling the Pan America. The older Harleys are being assembled on production lines that are possibly 30 to 40 years old. Where do you think would be making better bikes?
Thailand is often referred to as the "Detroit of Asia" due to its strong presence in the automotive and motorcycle manufacturing industries. Major Chinese EV brands and Japanese car manufacturers have established significant operations in the country. Thailand's plants are highly efficient in vehicle assembly and meet the Board of Investment (BOI) requirements. To take advantage of tax benefits, many parts are produced locally. For motorcycles, all major Japanese brands have production plants in Thailand, along with Triumph and Ducati, which manufacture bikes for export to Asian and European markets. Companies choose Thailand for its favorable tax incentives, low labor costs, and an efficient supply chain with locally sourced parts.
Most companies are leaving. The reason is the Thai government has waived all the tariffs on Chinese vehicles and no others. Companies cannot compete since they are still taxed due to foreign ownership.
@@MeeksinThailand tend to be , Agee with you. But recently they just give waive for Japanese also for the hybrid and hev vehicles, let’s see the result shortly.
Sir, where was your iPad manufactured? The air compressor on your floor, made in what country? The refrigerator that came out of that box, made in what country? But Harley having “some” parts made over seas on a temporary basis is a problem? You need to practice what you preach Sir.
Great point. But the companies you pointed out have never been made in America. And if you notice at the end of the video I talk about buying my Royal Enfield from India and Im pleased. I was just reporting a story people are concerned with. Ride Safe
Here in Thailand HD is saying it is permanent. The 100% tariff on anything built in America is their decision. Thailand has removed the tariff from all Chinese vehicles alone. Honda, Subaru, Suzuki cars have all left (or are leaving) Thailand because the have decided that China is the partner. So...HD will soon be moving MORE to Thailand as the grow the line with new engines.
This is all about being a Global company NOT and American company. Not just money. The powers that be need to seperate all people from their countries to complete their agenda.
The company is moving production of certain products, that sell better there, to another country. This is to lower manufacturing costs, and eliminate the need to pay the high costs of exporting products to that country. The production of the products that sell better here, than elsewhere, will remain here. Harley Davidson is doing what so many companies have already been doing for decades, looking at the $$, and trying to keep as much in their pockets as possible. Short term gain? Long term failure? Only time will tell, but one of the biggest selling points of HD has always been the fact it is an American company, it will be interesting to see how it develops from here….unfortunately, the human cost to employees will be much more immediate…
I remember Back To The Future Part 3 when Doc Brown see a circuit board and said this is junk, no wonder is Made in Japan, and Marty said all the best stuff is Made in Japan. It’s true also to include knockoff bikes from China is as good as the bikes from Japan to say better quality than the original. For an example of certain Harley riders are switching to Indian as they know on the future Harley-Davidson will no longer be made in the USA after they see the cost and yet foreign motorcycle manufacturers are taking notice to built motorcycles in the USA, that probably BMW end up making motorcycles in South Carolina, Yamaha, Suzuki, or Kawasaki making motorcycles in Alabama and Honda making motorcycles in Texas just taking note of Harley-Davidson plans to move all their production to Thailand, this also give notice for South Koreans making motorcycles in Iowa on where is going on rebranding Hyosung into Indian. For a reason without notice Harley-Davidson customers are losing to Indian.
@@HarleyDayRider True, as for now to see Polaris buying Hyosung to be called Polaris Korea, as to say selling Indian for the South Korean market, this is where Indian competes with the likes of Ducati and Buell.
Young people who want to ride a motorcycle shop around and find that they can buy a metric bike much cheaper than a Harley. The metric has more horsepower and will outrun any Harley on the road. The big problem is the price. Metrics cost far less in the U.S. than a Harley. Harley says they build a "Premium" motorcycle. That does not mean it is better, it just means it costs more. I have seen this change coming for the last 20 years, as Harley has not had a good relationship with their Union workers. This is the first step in moving all production out of this country. They want to break the Union. Like the "first baby," this is coming, I just don't know when. Oh, and if you think a Harley made in Thailand is going to cost you less money when they ship it back on the boat to be sold in the U.S. then you are smoking something you hold in your left hand.
The Environmental regulations on Bikes in European countries are exclusionary to big V-Twin Bikes as they are being restricted and banned in certain areas which killed that market anyways.
So, the new school liquid cooled rev max motors and all bikes they go into go overseas while the old school old tech air-cooled bikes stay stateside. Brilliant. With emission compliance issues in the EU for the air-cooled bikes and an aging population of us on big American ass touring bikes, what is their 10-year plan then? This is what I would like to see. 1) Develop a touring bike that is 2/3 sized for the Asian market that can be also available in the USA market. Alot of people don't want to rustle around a 900lb. bike but want a fairing and bags of one. 2) A 400-600cc class bike. 3) A fully liquid cooled motor. No more of the B.S. 60k or more = high mileage on trade in and the value is cut in 1/2. 4) Better headlight and seat. They are the first things replaced after purchase. 5) Stand by their extended warranty even if a rally is going on. My bike blew the Auto compression valve out of the rear head when I was less than 8 miles from exit 55 HD the day before rally in 2022, but they wouldn't honor the warranty " sorry, only doing oil changes and tire replacement during the rally".
So think about what you said. They promised to keep there core manufacturing in US, there moving the non core to a different market where it sells. Harley hasn't been a strictly American company for a long time. It's a global company. Making money is the name of the game. There's a reason there billion and millionaires and were not. You can work for the man or be the man.
By the way, the Harley helmets I have seen and bought are not more expensive than the OEMs (I won't name them, but two of them start with an S). At least "somewhere" in Europe ....... maybe because otherwise H-D would not get the license to sell those helmets?
Thailand has 22 million registered motorcycles. USA has 8 million. The fatality rate of motorcyclists is twice as high in the USA as in Thailand. Where would you prefer to make motorcycles?
To protect jobs a company has to stay in business. Management or bad incompetent management may use the make it off shore threat as a bargaining tool or to entice investors predicting lower costs. When they lose focus on the customer and the product like in the AMF years it is short term gain for long term pain. On any day the US government could impose import taxes on motorcycles made off shore. To win with this strategy long term is impossible.
Same blueprint as Triumph. First they moved the bikes that weren't aimed at their core "Buy British" fans, in other words the modern Bonneville's. When they got away with that they moved everything else. You can bet in a couple of years they will tell the union tough luck and move the big twin production there. The "Buy American" generation is dying off and their sales won't really suffer that much.
@@HarleyDayRider I hear you, I grew up in Florida because we moved here when the steel mills left Pittsburgh. So short sighted, so we save a few bucks at Wal Mart, but those jobs in mills and factory's used to feed an entire family off of one job.
Harley-Davidson lost its luster for me a few years ago with their insane pricing on outdated bikes. I'm keeping my 2020 Iron 883 because it's the last of the air cooled Evo Sportsters. I had high hopes for the RevMax engine models, but the styling of the new Sportsters is hideous, and the Pan America has been fraught with problems. I was holding out for a Pan America 975, but I got tired of waiting and bought a Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro, which was made in Thailand (I think the engines are made in the UK). The bike runs flawlessly and the fit and finish is excellent. Buying a bike made in Thailand or India isn't an issue with me, but Harley will still charge an exorbitant price and keep the savings for their stockholders.
That is a great point and you are right they are over priced compared to other companies. For us in the north a motorcycle is a toy which we use 6 months out of the year. I have just as much fun on the Himalayan as I do the Harley and it cost $4000.00 out the door. Ride Safe
I lost my job at Harley because of this they are already building Harleys in Thialand and shipping them back to the States as made in U.S.A and asking more money it's a crap shoot to wether you get a real Harley when you buy one. I'll stick to my old Harley.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I am 100% behind the workers. It happen to my dad when I was young. His company moved overseas and all the US workers were let go. Ride Safe
I was upset my honda was not made in Japan and i will be upset that harleys will be made overseas i refuse to pay for overpriced overseas made bikes harley or any other brand that nightster better be around 7k now that it is gonna be made overseas
You might as well buy a Honda from Japan it's better made I've had Harleys and Hondas the Harleys looked good but the Hondas are better made and more dependable
So HD said young riders aren't buying Harley's but they keep making the same boomer bikes that they made forever and expect Gen X, Y, Z to buy into grandpa's and grandma's touring bikes. Sales keep declining, boomers are riding off into the sunset, and Harley continues not to target younger riders. Given declining sales (dealers showrooms are over supplied with bikes) and high cost of US productions, it makes perfect sense to make the small displacement bikes overseas. However, the Revolution Max motor was designed for the next generation HD rider, high performance and water cooled, for a 975 Bronx line and 975 ADV bikes. But HD has no idea on how to target the next generation riders. As to the IAM union statement, its so full of BS and misinformation it could be a FOX news feature. Someday we will be riding Harley's with no HD motor company. It will like riding a Victory motorcycle. Between this "woke boycott", simple minded Harley riders who buy into BS, and HD's declining sales, the future doesn't look too bright.
HD just ruined the iconic brand. Screw the eu HD president. This is the US not the eu. HD just FAFO a little bit of what Americans are like. Free and Independent.
Harley knows that their Thai workforce perform work a lot better than any of America's fat and lazy workers. Quality of construction will improve, but design is still sadly lacking. They just have no idea of how to improve their brand. This will likely lead to another bankruptcy, takeover by a Venture Capital company that will break it up, take all the pension money, and end the company. Why? Because they will make money doing it, and really, only senior citizens give a hoot about Harley these days. I've been riding over 50 years, and many of my riding buddies agree with this. R.I.P. Harley. Again.
@@HarleyDayRider Lol, They moved due to trade tariffs on steel and aluminium exports to the US. trump started a tariff war and China and the EU responded. Search for BBC article: *Harley-Davidson warns Trump-EU trade war will harm business* or the Forbes article titled: *Trump’s Tariffs Have Wiped $1.4 Billion Off Of Harley-Davidson’s Market Cap*
Thailand not only has a great manufacturing manpower and resources but also has a massive Harley culture.
In fact, probably it comes second right after USA when it comes to cruisers, custom bikes and everything is Harley.
Thanks, I did not know this. Thanks for watching.
What are you talking about? Harley sales are very poor in Thailand, they don't even get in the top 10 bike brands sold in the country which is ruled by Japanese and Euro bikes. Even when looking at the custom culture it's dominated fully by Yamaha's and Triumphs.
@@Nmh2el You have no idea what you are talking about honestly.
So show me those great Harley sales figures? I’m currently Bangkok based btw and I’d be happy to see one HD per week.
I went and traded my 2019 ultra limited in for a 2024 Indian chieftain dark horse. It’s a great bike. I love it.
That is what I want to try. Glad you are enjoying your new bike. Ride Safe
I appreciate you putting this video out Jack, it's calmer than the video I just put out. Good video my friend.
Your video was not too harsh. I don't care where the Harley bikes are made I will still buy them in the future. Ride Safe
So much of our stuff is made out of the US. Phones, computers, electronics for all makes of cars and trucks. Clothing and about everything you can think of. I did buy a used bike about a month ago. A 22 with 8K on it. The same bike new was 9 grand higher. Saved some money and it had some add ons on it already. Thanks for the video!!
That is the best way to buy a bike. Let someone else do the add ons and then they trade it and start all over again. Sounds like you have a great bike. Ride Safe
I'm in Thailand. It cost crazy money to get a used Harley here. The import tax is crazy. Not everyone can have a Harley. The big baggers have to be imported. Any of those smaller cruisers are what they ride here. This I think is to get into the bike market in Thailand. I'm sure the government is cutting them a deal. Also, the bike market in Southeast Asia is huge. Crazy money to be made. It's 75-85% scooters and motorcycles here. Kids are riding scooters here at 6 years old.. People tour on scooters over here. Remember the labor is so cheap here. Look at the currency rate.
Man, thanks for the great insights. We were just in Puerto Rico and there are not many Harley's there either. Ride Safe
how many GM ,FORD vehicles are made abroad ? where's the outrage over that John Deere is moving to Mexico
@@feline-n6b a lot ! but not for the US I mean
I don't think the Pan American will sell here. Too expensive for what you get + electrical issues + the motor is HOT. After riding the PA I bought an Africa Twin and couldn't be happier.
IMO Harley should design something like the new Triumph 400 for the Asian market. I'd buy that or a new design Royal Enfield Classic 350 over a Harley here.
Not just that.... almost every motorcycle company out there are involved in bangkok's moto assembly lines. Thailand makes bikes and cars for everyone. largest in southeast asia, and 10th largest in world. thats a 2019 statistic, probably more now.
it's not so much to corner the market but i agree with your point that the thai government is probably sweetening the deal. enough to say f* you to the american union workers.
As a former Pan America owner I can understand this. The PA sold overseas that are already built in Thailand have a far better reputation and quality than the American assembled one.
You wonder if Harley worked overseas have more pride? Ride Safe
My guess is that it's a newer facility where they are assembling the Pan America. The older Harleys are being assembled on production lines that are possibly 30 to 40 years old. Where do you think would be making better bikes?
Thailand is often referred to as the "Detroit of Asia" due to its strong presence in the automotive and motorcycle manufacturing industries. Major Chinese EV brands and Japanese car manufacturers have established significant operations in the country. Thailand's plants are highly efficient in vehicle assembly and meet the Board of Investment (BOI) requirements. To take advantage of tax benefits, many parts are produced locally.
For motorcycles, all major Japanese brands have production plants in Thailand, along with Triumph and Ducati, which manufacture bikes for export to Asian and European markets. Companies choose Thailand for its favorable tax incentives, low labor costs, and an efficient supply chain with locally sourced parts.
Thanks for the great feedback. I was unaware of all the companies there. Ride Safe
Most companies are leaving. The reason is the Thai government has waived all the tariffs on Chinese vehicles and no others. Companies cannot compete since they are still taxed due to foreign ownership.
@@MeeksinThailand tend to be , Agee with you. But recently they just give waive for Japanese also for the hybrid and hev vehicles, let’s see the result shortly.
Hope no one loses their job, but I’ll be keeping my Harley. 👍
I'm not getting rid of my Harley. I know it was build in America. Ride Safe
Awesome video as always sir
Thanks! Ride Safe
Sir, where was your iPad manufactured? The air compressor on your floor, made in what country? The refrigerator that came out of that box, made in what country? But Harley having “some” parts made over seas on a temporary basis is a problem? You need to practice what you preach Sir.
Great point. But the companies you pointed out have never been made in America. And if you notice at the end of the video I talk about buying my Royal Enfield from India and Im pleased. I was just reporting a story people are concerned with. Ride Safe
Here in Thailand HD is saying it is permanent. The 100% tariff on anything built in America is their decision. Thailand has removed the tariff from all Chinese vehicles alone. Honda, Subaru, Suzuki cars have all left (or are leaving) Thailand because the have decided that China is the partner. So...HD will soon be moving MORE to Thailand as the grow the line with new engines.
You don't get it. You're dismissed.
My understanding is that the new Pan America and Nightster Rev Max motors will be built in Thailand. 😎👍
Yes, right now this is the case with the soft tails. Ride Safe
Yes rev made by Porsche
Im pretty sure the Harley Davidsons we get in Australia are made in Thailand
This is all about being a Global company NOT and American company. Not just money. The powers that be need to seperate all people from their countries to complete their agenda.
Good points. Ride Safe
The company is moving production of certain products, that sell better there, to another country. This is to lower manufacturing costs, and eliminate the need to pay the high costs of exporting products to that country. The production of the products that sell better here, than elsewhere, will remain here. Harley Davidson is doing what so many companies have already been doing for decades, looking at the $$, and trying to keep as much in their pockets as possible. Short term gain? Long term failure? Only time will tell, but one of the biggest selling points of HD has always been the fact it is an American company, it will be interesting to see how it develops from here….unfortunately, the human cost to employees will be much more immediate…
I agree I hate to see workers and their families hurt for millionaire's to have even more money they will never spend. Ride Safe
I remember Back To The Future Part 3 when Doc Brown see a circuit board and said this is junk, no wonder is Made in Japan, and Marty said all the best stuff is Made in Japan.
It’s true also to include knockoff bikes from China is as good as the bikes from Japan to say better quality than the original.
For an example of certain Harley riders are switching to Indian as they know on the future Harley-Davidson will no longer be made in the USA after they see the cost and yet foreign motorcycle manufacturers are taking notice to built motorcycles in the USA, that probably BMW end up making motorcycles in South Carolina, Yamaha, Suzuki, or Kawasaki making motorcycles in Alabama and Honda making motorcycles in Texas just taking note of Harley-Davidson plans to move all their production to Thailand, this also give notice for South Koreans making motorcycles in Iowa on where is going on rebranding Hyosung into Indian.
For a reason without notice Harley-Davidson customers are losing to Indian.
Funny but true. Asian people work harder and for less money. Ride Safe
@@HarleyDayRider True, as for now to see Polaris buying Hyosung to be called Polaris Korea, as to say selling Indian for the South Korean market, this is where Indian competes with the likes of Ducati and Buell.
Yes Royal Enfield the Real Indian Bike.😄👍
@@g4joe Yeah that’s a good one LOL!
Even though Royal Enfield started in Britain.
Young people who want to ride a motorcycle shop around and find that they can buy a metric bike much cheaper than a Harley.
The metric has more horsepower and will outrun any Harley on the road. The big problem is the price. Metrics cost far less in the U.S. than a Harley. Harley says they build a "Premium" motorcycle. That does not mean it is better, it just means it costs more. I have seen this change coming for the last 20 years, as Harley has not had a good relationship with their Union workers. This is the first step in moving all production out of this country. They want to break the Union. Like the "first baby," this is coming, I just don't know when. Oh, and if you think a Harley made in Thailand is going to cost you less money when they ship it back on the boat to be sold in the U.S. then you are smoking something you hold in your left hand.
This is why I like Royal Enfield. Super low price new and fun to ride. Ride Safe
Just like the Street Models HD is moving those two models to a country that buys them.
I hear they also ride a lot of scooters there because of their taxes. Ride Safe
The Environmental regulations on Bikes in European countries are exclusionary to big V-Twin Bikes as they are being restricted and banned in certain areas which killed that market anyways.
I didn't know that, thanks for sharing. Ride Safe
How many of these employees are driving foreign cars. Wearing clothes from all over the world.
Really who gives a shit. Where do you buy your clothes? Ride Safe
R.I.P.
That says it all. Ride Safe
The Boycott stays until Zeitz Goes!
Very interesting. Ride Safe
So, the new school liquid cooled rev max motors and all bikes they go into go overseas while the old school old tech air-cooled bikes stay stateside. Brilliant. With emission compliance issues in the EU for the air-cooled bikes and an aging population of us on big American ass touring bikes, what is their 10-year plan then?
This is what I would like to see.
1) Develop a touring bike that is 2/3 sized for the Asian market that can be also available in the USA market. Alot of people don't want to rustle around a 900lb. bike but want a fairing and bags of one.
2) A 400-600cc class bike.
3) A fully liquid cooled motor. No more of the B.S. 60k or more = high mileage on trade in and the value is cut in 1/2.
4) Better headlight and seat. They are the first things replaced after purchase.
5) Stand by their extended warranty even if a rally is going on. My bike blew the Auto compression valve out of the rear head when I was less than 8 miles from exit 55 HD the day before rally in 2022, but they wouldn't honor the warranty " sorry, only doing oil changes and tire replacement during the rally".
I thought Harley dealers were always there for the travelers. Ride Safe
So think about what you said. They promised to keep there core manufacturing in US, there moving the non core to a different market where it sells. Harley hasn't been a strictly American company for a long time. It's a global company. Making money is the name of the game. There's a reason there billion and millionaires and were not. You can work for the man or be the man.
It won’t be long before all the models are made overseas. Ride Safe
By the way, the Harley helmets I have seen and bought are not more expensive than the OEMs (I won't name them, but two of them start with an S). At least "somewhere" in Europe ....... maybe because otherwise H-D would not get the license to sell those helmets?
I agree there are many expensive helmets out there. Ride Safe
Harley doesn’t care about the people they only care about evilness that they’re connected to
Money is the root of all evil. Ride Safe
@@HarleyDayRider and you the same God bless us all
Thailand has 22 million registered motorcycles. USA has 8 million. The fatality rate of motorcyclists is twice as high in the USA as in Thailand. Where would you prefer to make motorcycles?
I have a bike made in India and it runs great. I agree. Ride Safe
To protect jobs a company has to stay in business. Management or bad incompetent management may use the make it off shore threat as a bargaining tool or to entice investors predicting lower costs. When they lose focus on the customer and the product like in the AMF years it is short term gain for long term pain. On any day the US government could impose import taxes on motorcycles made off shore. To win with this strategy long term is impossible.
I would at least hope they give the American workers a chance to relocate? Ride Safe
Same blueprint as Triumph. First they moved the bikes that weren't aimed at their core "Buy British" fans, in other words the modern Bonneville's. When they got away with that they moved everything else. You can bet in a couple of years they will tell the union tough luck and move the big twin production there. The "Buy American" generation is dying off and their sales won't really suffer that much.
I remember when my dad was in a mill and the company told the union they were moving out of the USA. Ride Safe
@@HarleyDayRider I hear you, I grew up in Florida because we moved here when the steel mills left Pittsburgh. So short sighted, so we save a few bucks at Wal Mart, but those jobs in mills and factory's used to feed an entire family off of one job.
Harley-Davidson lost its luster for me a few years ago with their insane pricing on outdated bikes. I'm keeping my 2020 Iron 883 because it's the last of the air cooled Evo Sportsters. I had high hopes for the RevMax engine models, but the styling of the new Sportsters is hideous, and the Pan America has been fraught with problems. I was holding out for a Pan America 975, but I got tired of waiting and bought a Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro, which was made in Thailand (I think the engines are made in the UK). The bike runs flawlessly and the fit and finish is excellent. Buying a bike made in Thailand or India isn't an issue with me, but Harley will still charge an exorbitant price and keep the savings for their stockholders.
That is a great point and you are right they are over priced compared to other companies. For us in the north a motorcycle is a toy which we use 6 months out of the year. I have just as much fun on the Himalayan as I do the Harley and it cost $4000.00 out the door. Ride Safe
I lost my job at Harley because of this they are already building Harleys in Thialand and shipping them back to the States as made in U.S.A and asking more money it's a crap shoot to wether you get a real Harley when you buy one. I'll stick to my old Harley.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I am 100% behind the workers. It happen to my dad when I was young. His company moved overseas and all the US workers were let go. Ride Safe
Harley stopped making bikes that I would buy years ago.
They are making a lot of changes. I am not into all of the electronics I enjoy analog gauges. Ride Safe
Harley Go Woke Go Broke.
I have not followed that story. Ride Safe
@@HarleyDayRider you should
I was upset my honda was not made in Japan and i will be upset that harleys will be made overseas i refuse to pay for overpriced overseas made bikes harley or any other brand that nightster better be around 7k now that it is gonna be made overseas
Great points. Soon, everything will be made overseas because of lower labor costs. Ride Safe
You might as well buy a Honda from Japan it's better made I've had Harleys and Hondas the Harleys looked good but the Hondas are better made and more dependable
I have a lot of Honda friends who say the same thing. Ride Safe
So HD said young riders aren't buying Harley's but they keep making the same boomer bikes that they made forever and expect Gen X, Y, Z to buy into grandpa's and grandma's touring bikes. Sales keep declining, boomers are riding off into the sunset, and Harley continues not to target younger riders. Given declining sales (dealers showrooms are over supplied with bikes) and high cost of US productions, it makes perfect sense to make the small displacement bikes overseas. However, the Revolution Max motor was designed for the next generation HD rider, high performance and water cooled, for a 975 Bronx line and 975 ADV bikes. But HD has no idea on how to target the next generation riders. As to the IAM union statement, its so full of BS and misinformation it could be a FOX news feature. Someday we will be riding Harley's with no HD motor company. It will like riding a Victory motorcycle. Between this "woke boycott", simple minded Harley riders who buy into BS, and HD's declining sales, the future doesn't look too bright.
Great points. I wished they still made Victory bikes they seemed very stable. Ride Safe
BOYCOTT! FHD! 🤑💣
I think there maybe some who do. Ride Safe
Go right ahead and move Harley, but don't send anything back...
I wonder if this is the first move to online sales? Ride Safe
Let's get this straight; all those local, state incentives, plus the big Trump corporate tax breaks did nothing to keep HD here. Got it! 😮
Very good facts. Ride Safe
HD just ruined the iconic brand. Screw the eu HD president. This is the US not the eu. HD just FAFO a little bit of what Americans are like. Free and Independent.
Great points. Ride Safe
It aint a Harley if it aint made in America just like a fender Strat that is made in Mexico ain't a real fender Strat.
Great point. But I think one day it will come to that. Ride Safe
But sound just as good.👍 Depends who is playing that thing. 😄
All made by CNC machines anyway.🇬🇧
Yes! I have an American made Fender Stratocaster and the Mexican ones don't compare at all! @@HarleyDayRider
Buy A Real Indian.
ROYAL ENFIELD 😄👍🇬🇧
I love my Royal Enfield. I just tried a Super Meteor 650 yesterday; great ride and fun! Ride Safe
Harley knows that their Thai workforce perform work a lot better than any of America's fat and lazy workers. Quality of construction will improve, but design is still sadly lacking. They just have no idea of how to improve their brand. This will likely lead to another bankruptcy, takeover by a Venture Capital company that will break it up, take all the pension money, and end the company. Why? Because they will make money doing it, and really, only senior citizens give a hoot about Harley these days. I've been riding over 50 years, and many of my riding buddies agree with this. R.I.P. Harley. Again.
I have those same feelings. Thanks for the thoughts. Ride Safe
So its not because trump is promising tariffs again?
This happened way before Trump was in the picture. Thanks for watching.
@@HarleyDayRider Lol, They moved due to trade tariffs on steel and aluminium exports to the US. trump started a tariff war and China and the EU responded.
Search for BBC article: *Harley-Davidson warns Trump-EU trade war will harm business*
or the Forbes article titled:
*Trump’s Tariffs Have Wiped $1.4 Billion Off Of Harley-Davidson’s Market Cap*
@@HarleyDayRider .... and due to trumps ignorance of how tariffs work, he's promising to do it all again. LOL
This next 4 years should be hilarious.
You buy a new one... You're part of the problem! 🤦
Great point. Ride Safe
F##k harley buy Bmw
People who own BMW love them for sure. Ride safe