You’re all wrong man, my friend bought one of these around a year ago, pumped it for around ten minutes and then dived into the Atlantic for a supposedly ten minutes swimming but here we are a year later and my friend is still down there somewhere swimming around like a fish 🐠. I’m saving up for mine now
@@VisionExplo invention .... ??? I guess you mean they invented a lie .... I really don't think anyone should proud of that invention. Way to go supporting fraudsters Alvin Lim.
I worked in the offshore oil industry (Atlantic Canada) a few years ago. We had something called a Helicopter Underwater Emergency Breathing Apparatus (HUEBA). Very similar to the 'Spare Air' product I believe. Every helicopter trip you would have one of these things attached to your survival suit. Really just intended to give you a chance of survival if you had to escape from a ditched helicopter under water and swim to the surface (better than nothing, in other words). I would have thought it would be an extremely dangerous product to use recreationally. I cant imagine the supplier surviving the lawsuit after the first death.
You are right, it is dangerous. People that don't know the first thing about diving would end up with lungs barotrauma due to the difference in pressure and gass volume or even like you said - dead ....
Fun Fact. if you have any air in your lungs at depth you can easily make it to the surface without aid. It expands on the way up.. have done it myself with no air in my tank or lungs (exhaled before starting)
As a scuba diver I can tell you that any bottle you carry down underwater should be as ridiculously clean as you can get it. The filtering equipment on scuba filling stations is one of the most often replaced materials. In good scuba stations they have rows upon rows of high pressure cylinders that are being filled continuously by very high grade pumps through industrial strength microfilters. Also the air should be as dry as possbile. These pumps are set off to the side, in a shack somewhere because they are LOUD. Because they have to work like crazy. The storage cylinders are usually filled to 300 to 350 bars, so they carry enough pressure to fill the usual 200 bars bottles scuba divers carry with them. It takes a row of such storage cylinders around 2 minutes of exchanging pressures to fill a 15 liter bottle with a residual filling of around 10 bars to 200 bars. During that time the filled bottle gets hot. Very hot. In summer it can get uncomfortably hot. Which is why you should let it cool off a bit before preparing for a dive. At 200 bars you NEED two stages of regulators. One to reduce the pressure from 200 bars to around 10 bars in the first stage, and to the current dive depth pressure in the second stage. If you do not have a second stage you will get a blast of 10 bars of pressure in the first few gulps. If you condense that into a single stage which reduces the pressure from 200 bars (or whatever the pressure is in that minute one liter bottle) you will pay a ridiculous amount for that regulator. Yes, it is technically possible to reduce it to one stage. But that also makes it a) ridiculously expensive and b) highly likely to fail easily. But do not, under ANY circumstances take it apneu diving to let's say 30 meters depth (definitely possible to easily reach that depth free diving) and THEN take a breath from that bottle. Because that will definitely give you a very serious chance of killing you with a ruptured lung when you surface. The lungs tensile strength is enough to survive around 1.5 to 1.8, 2 max bars. If you inhale from the bottle at 30 meters and then quickly rise to the surface, the air in your lungs will rapidly expand and experience a total internal pressure of around 4 bars (1 bar surface pressure plus 3 bars from 30 meters depth). That is at least 2 bars in excess of the tensile strength of your lungs. They will rip like an exploded balloon. Especially if you have NOT been taught how to do an emergency surfacing maneuver. Which includes overcoming your instinct to hold your breath while surfacing. You actively have to overcome that instinct and breath OUT as continuously as possible. That MIGHT, if you are very lucky, give the expanding air in your lungs a chance to escape before it ruptures your lungs. NOTE: DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS WITHOUT SUPERVISION OR A SKILLED MEDICAL TEAM CLOSE BY. THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND THE NUMBER 1 REASON FOR DIVING RELATED DEATHS. THIS MANEUVER SHOULD ONLY BE ATTEMPTED IN A VERY SERIOUS DIVING ACCIDENT! AT ALL OTHER TIMES ALWAYS INCLUDE A DECOMPRESSION STOP AT 3 METERS DEPTH!
Stop on 3 to 6 metres is not called "decompression stop" it is called "safety stop" and it is practice mostly in "no decompression dives" (recreational dives) decompression stops are done on different depths (stage decompression) mostly used for technical diving (you can easily find depths and times in decompression/diving tables).
I am not a diver but from what I understand quick surfacing while exhaling can lead to all sorts of issues even if your lungs (and eardrums) survive. Especially the decompression sickness from the gasses dissolved in your blood could be an issue, I am not sure if you dissolve lots of gas while being in 30m for 2-3 minutes, but I suppose that witch quick ascent you might, and especially if you do not stay on coast but take a plane home or something it could lead to really nasty problems. There is a reason why diving training takes some time.
@@mrlazda its true that the differentiation between safety and decompression stop is made as you describe. However a safety stop IS a decompression stop, it just sounds less scary. Safety stop recommended but not required.
Fun fact, Spare Air was developed back in the 90s (I think) for Navy helicopter crews to be able to escape a water landing inversion quickly. It's really good for that. They later decided to market it for divers as spare air. I actually bought one back in the mid naughties. Never actually used it because it just wasn't worth the clutter it brought to my kit.
I fully agree with your video, but these small bottles are very useful for quick shallow dives such as inspection or repair of the boat, anchor untangling, etc. But, should only be used by trained divers. And forget the pump, fill it with a standard dive compresor. As a rusted rescue diver, looking at how this is marketed is really scary. Many potential serious injuries are coming. And I say injuries, not accidents, because using this without training and damaging your lungs is not an accident, is stupidity.
I agree. This could certainly have its uses as you describe them above, as it'd save getting properly kitted up just to spend a couple of minutes sorting out some minor issue at a couple of metres.
I’ve been getting by with a ziplock baggie filled with air. It is instantly refilled without any troublesome pumps. Send me 4 dollars and I’ll send you one.
@@ItsMrAssholeToYou Than just use the new patreon one i set up for my Liquid Nitrogen filling tank! 694x the air capacity! meaning you pour in a litre of Liquid Nitrogen, you get 694 litres of air!!
I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but you're not supposed to fill any scuba-style tank with unfiltered air (like from a bicycle pump). Small amounts of noxious gases can be unnoticeable in open air but dangerous when compressed and taken underwater.
uzefulvideos It’s really kind of relaxing, to just sit by and watch a terrible project getting ripped apart. But of course it’s infuriating, as they made this much money.
You mean like Atari? A loving recreation of the Atari 2600 for the modern age? You mean the AMD Ryzen and 4 to 8gb of RAM? Wait for it.......Over 120 million USD raised to bring the backer what boils to a high end Raspberry Pi 4 with 4gb ram and the new Raspberry Pi with 8gb ram which you can get a 4gb around 50 USD and the Pi 8gb for 75 USD. Compare to the Atari VCS from 299 USD for the 4gb and 349 for the 8gb. Oh but Atari can't give the backers it's console, but made a cryptocurrency online casino and now is building an actual casino in Vegas all with the backers money!!!!! Now that is a scam!!! Oh as for this video, awesome and I'll just do it James Bond style and use a spare tire for air underwater.
@@juelzjohnson2746 they are pretty alright, though a bit on the low side nowadays depending on application. Running Linux on 4GB is perfectly fine, doing that on Windows however...
@@juelzjohnson2746 little? I was so happy when i knew that my pc had 8gb of ram because that is so much for a teen that has played on a pc with 2gb of ram.
@@juelzjohnson2746 little? thats still the standard amount someone would need to play any game really, getting anything more than 8 right now is a giant waste of money
The repair tech at my dive shop calls these “embolism makers” and as a diver watching people use this in their trailer is so stressful lol. Thanks for drawing attention to this! Stay safe y’all 🤙
@@scott2903 air bubbles that can travel to your brain, heart, and lungs. On scuba/breathing pressurized air the reason you’re supposed to always breathe continuously is that it’s very dangerous to hold your breath and ascend quickly. Doing this can cause the air held in your lungs to expand and cause problems, embolisms being among them. This can happen in as shallow as 10-20 ft of water. Thats why these personal pressurized air tanks anyone can buy without proper training are dangerous: if you aren’t aware how to breathe properly on scuba/under water pressure it can cause serious harm or death.
@@brawlornothin1008 Also, to add to your comment. Most people do not realize what the brain does when it panics deep underwater. Proper decision making, air management, measure of time, all potentially can be vastly distorted. Proper dive training is so important, and so many unique places have been closed from the public or sealed because of deaths. Sad to see most are improper education, or improper planning.
Better Names for this device include: The Embolizer ... The Lung Exploder ... DIY Pneumothorax ... The Lung Popper ... and my favorite.... Recipe for Disaster ...
For $600 you could get your SCUBA 60ft certification, a decent pair of goggles, snorkel, fins, wetsuit, weightbelt, and rent a full tank with regulators and BC.
My first question is, before even wondering whether it’s a scam is “Is this safe?” Surely these people haven’t had any training and may not realize the extreme danger of holding your breath while ascending on a lung full of compressed air.
Maybe these kind of products should be sold with a 'max three meters deep' warning or so. As far as I grasp it and this video also mentions, that's quite a safe depth pressure wise.
@@gauloiseguy I really don't think so. If you took a full breath at 3 meters, held, and ascended to the surface, the relative pressure in your lungs (pressure inside vs pressure outside) still increases by almost 30%.
@@alexrandall8557 Might be. I'm not an expert. Hopefully it was clear from my post I was guesstimating. Seems like a fun product if it would work. Having a mechanical valve prothesis it's a product I'll never use anyway 😉
Even for someone who never took basic chemistry and physics - but for everyone who has ever had to hand pump a bicycle or car tire - this should "intuitively" be bogus. A fool and his money...
It is not a bogus, it is just hard work to use the hand pump, that is why most people would fill it from big tank. I am surprised it was not delivered because much cheaper versions are already on the market. It is not much of use and could be dangerous, but spare air is not that hard to come by.
And yet you didn't notice the fact that thunderf00t actually said it will only take 10 mins to pump up and that technology like it already exists and works. But you have a bike pump, so we should trust you. Okay buddy.
@@harrymills2770 Thunderf00t did all of the calculations. They all agreed with what the Snorki claimed it could do. Thunderf00t's only disagreement was that it won't work at depths it wasn't designed to handle, and he also said that it MIGHT lead to people misusing it. Neither of those mean that it's a scam product. Neither means that it shouldn't be made. BOTH are qualitative bullshit arguments, not the careful scientific debunkings he usually presents. Thunderf00t should be ashamed of this video.
I got certified for $100. (Instructor was a buddy of mine.) I lived in Hawaii, and you could easily find lots of people selling used dive gear for pennies on the dollar. Everything you needed for a couple hundred bucks, no problem. I used to dive three tanks a day, two or three days a week. All I had to pay for was air refills, and I got a discount for being local.
In Australia, the most you'll ever pay for a standard air refill from a reputable, government trusted dive shop, is $15.00 (230 bar). Even then, the more you go in you'll find that they'll give you the odd one free or knock a few dollars off the regular price.
Another thing I must add that an important part of a scuba equipment is a BCD (buoyancy control device). Without it you won't be able to effortlessly glide under water like it is shown in the promotional videos for this "product"
Crowdfunded products are a huge red flag because it shows that they couldn't convince private investors to take a risk. Private investors are usually a lot more careful about where they invest their money. Crowdfunding relies on the ignorance of people who are easily conned by simplicity and sales pitches that sound too good to be true.
Cannot agree. It is not always that simple. Sometimes people just do not want to deal with private investors or many other reasons. Take a look on some projects in board game developments for example.
'Not at all. Yes, there are plenty of shady - to say the least - crowd funding campaigns. I have invested in several good ones. There are distinct advantages to crowd funding for some products. I haven't decided fully, yet, but I am considering opening at least three crowd-funded projects. If they are unsuccessful, then I will not have lost much, or perhaps nothing at all. If they are successful, then I will be able to produce low volumes of quality products without a lot of overheard. I don't expect any of these to have high volumes of sales.
There's... a bit of a difference between a board game and, say, Solar Roadways or Scorkl. You don't need an in-depth understanding of the subject to look at a game and say, "Yeah, that looks cool." And even with games, there are plenty of horror stories about the designers taking the money and run. Just look what happened with Robotech RPG Tactics and Palladium Games.
@@stevenschnepp576 well, crowdfunding is always a risk, you need to keep it in mind. As well as, you do not need a detailed in-deep understanding in projects like snorkl or that one with rebreather, you only need some simple understanding of how the world around you works. Not a quantum physics, but very basics of physics and chemistry. It's a shame that in some countries they do not educate people properly)) But hey, if you are smart enough to support such a project, maybe you can call it a "paid education"?)
@@leslierhorer1412 You havent invested into anything. You simply paid for something that wasnt made with the hopes it will be made one day. In other words, you put yourself at a tremendous financial risk. All in all, it has nothing to do with the term "invest"
@@davidlee1770 ive swam 50 feet underwater freediving the only bad thing is its cold as a mf at the bottom of lakes that feed rivers but you can find things at times like glasses but its quite hard to get your body to adjust to the cold you have to stay under for a good period to adjust so your muscles dont cramp up thats my enjoyment when i swim
Funny story: When i was 8, in my dads car driving back home from a trip to a blueberry farm when i had a genius idea: use a pump to fill a big pop bottle and use it as a diy snorkel kit. Wont hold much air because it is plastic, but it will give you a few breaths and it will be super cheap. A few years pass and these damned companies stole my idea!
@Curtis Riceman Far as I know, plastic "scuba" gear for casual swimmers that you fill from a pump is a new thing. The lad didn't say he invented the idea of breathing from a tank.
Very good video. As a diver I would like to say that an 8l / min consumption is very low. Only a child or small woman who is super relaxed could get there. My organization has the standard for diving set at 20l / min for safety with a seasoned male diver probably being at 12-16l / min according to fitness, weight etc.
Bro, the true is nobody die quickly under the water.... i bet youd be agonized for air for like 3 minutes before you pass out for the lack of oxygenation, then you full die in like 3-5 mins after you pass out. So is not quick die in 5/7 mins underwater... :v Im not afraid of die. But im very afraid of die by suffocation or burned alive :v. I preffer a fast dead like hit by a 18 wheels truck or a shot in the head.
You can die any where any time. Diving is really beautiful, and safe I used scuba for the best part of 30 years never a problem , seen things that were unable to see anywhere else. But you best learn to swim well before getting into scuba diving.
Hmm. It MUST be easy to force tons of air into a small cylinder... That's why powerful piston air compressors that have enough oomph to fill a semi truck tire to 100 PSI, which WILL kill you if said tire fails and blows up, even at that pressure, which is a tiny fraction of what air tanks hold. Aren't even close to being up to the job of filling breathing air tanks. Old school firefighting air tanks, the big heavy metal ones, hold about 2800 psi. The newer, lighter, relatively stronger composite tanks are generally rated a little over 4000psi. In order to fill either, we have to use a cascade system, which is a giant air compressor connected to a series of tanks that successively decrease in size down the line. These systems are incredibly large, noisy, and expensive. They are also majestically dangerous. Your air tank goes into a big heavy steel armored frag sleeve/box/tube/chamber (depending on age, model of cascade system) because any tiny unseen failure in the tank being filled is CATASTROPHIC. Shit will level the damn building if it's not particularly well built. Compressed air at these pressures is no joke. I'm a firefighter, a pilot, an adrenaline junkie, and there's very little I fear... But compressed air at a few thousand psi scares the ever loving shit out of me. Anytime I have to fill one of those damn tanks, my sphincter suddenly becomes rated for 4500 psi. To say nothing of the fact that the damn tanks get HOT when you're cramming that much air into them. But yeah. Seems like something a 130 pound bikini chick could do, and do safely, with a bike pump.
Mate a failure in a tank that is being filled isn't going to be "CATASTROPHIC" and level the entire building. I've seen 200bar steel tanks suddenly decompressing. Yes, it's dangerous, there is a big bang and they become heavy projectiles that have a scary punch. But they aren't bombs that destroy buildings ^^
These people knew exactly what they made. This product wasn't intended to work to begin with. Just to lure people who aren't smart enough to do their own research on google or just simply ask how this would work on some diving forum. Also can't really blame OP of the campaign, if there are so many idiots... why not make money off them?
At this point, just be a free diver. Freedivers can go hundreds of feet deep and they don't have to worry about narcosis, the bends (they're not down there long enough to exceed NDL), and even lung expansion injuries..(holding the same breath, so no expansion issues). The worst danger is shallow water blackout.
All you have to do is come up with a really bad idea, start a kickstarter, raise a million dollars or so, then watch Thunderfoot make a busted video about it. 😁
Ha ha ha. LOL. Did you notice all the real divers with the scuba gear and tanks @0:23 - 0:26. Pause it at 23 and 24 sec. They were probably the filming crew.
Bushtrail, seriously, maybe the scuba-diving associations all over the world should issue warnings to the general public against usage of such unsafe devices. If you know anyone who's active in such things, please send him a message. (I'm not a diver myself, and even I can see how this damn thing promotes unsafe practices.)
@@dennispickard7743 Read that in a thick (excuse me, *thicc* ) Scottish accent and that was so god damn funny. Don't know if it was supposed to be read in Scottish, German or Pirate, but they all work actually
Thunderf00t over here being the buzzkill, while the rest of us simple creatures just wanted to watch females hand pumping phallic objects for 30 minutes... Great video, got 'em again!
On a robotics team a long time ago the theme was clean water or something. And they wanted to do nanobots. They had no idea how it would work, nk prototypes and overall it was stupid.
Try adults version in Fortune 50 companies. Fake project scopes peddled all the way to CEO - literally, CEO made mention of these projects thinking they’re real, in front of analysts and investors.
You would need a specialist pump built for charging PCP air rifles to fill the little dive cylinder ,there's no way she would have the physical strength to manually pump enough air into it ,as a shooter I've had experience with pumps and compressors , I'm still stunned that people backed this.
The US Navy and holidaymakers have different requirements from their dives. That's why cheap plastic snorkels are perfectly acceptable for one, but not the other.
" than the us navy " just because its military doesn't mean its good contracts go to the lowest bidder i was in the military for a decade most soldiers prefer to buy third party nonissued gear
Years ago while serving in the military, we went through exercises designed to help us escape from a helicopter that has ditched in the water. Each of us were issued a small "bailout" bottle very similar to this. Our instructors told us the bottles held enough air for us to exit the helicopter and begin ascending to the surface. One jokingly said, if you can control your breathing, you may get 5-mins worth of air. We thought, if it just gave us enough air to get outside of the helicopter, it was worth the weight/money/hassle etc. Fortunately, I never had to put the bottle to the test.
Yep, that's what Spare Air originated as. From what I heard it was issued to many Navy helo crews for this very purpose. You have to ditch and submerge quickly or invert and it's meant to give you time to get oriented and escape. Nothing more. This whole business of unskilled diving using it is just asking for trouble.
@@diesockedeslebens6599 I usually dive with a Luxfer 13 CF bottle, vintage Conshelf XIV with 6 foot hose and 6" SPG hose. That gives me more than 10 minutes at 40'.
Don't forget how awesome this will be, when you pump in, invisible gases like carbon monoxide, because you're doing this in your old ass leaky camper as you're driving to the beach.
I am not a diver but I know enough about pressure and diving to know that these sorts of things are extremely dangerous. Heaven forbid some idiot decides to free-dive with one of these and take a few breaths at the bottom before resurfacing. Also there is a good reason why the mouthpiece on scuba breathing apparatus is called a regulator - goodness knows if this has a regulator.
@@Necrosian from what I understood. If you breathe at 2 atmospheres your lungs grow to twice it size at 1 atm (sea level), if you breathe at 3 atm your lungs expands 3 times its size at sea level. Sounds painful enough.
@@Necrosian you need a regulator because 200 bar of air pressure will let you burst like a balloon. Man ist made for 0 bar, because outside the lung and inside the lung is the same atmospheric pressure. That is why humans have a diaphragm that works like bellows. Under water pressure is much higher, because of waters density. The regulator has to even out the pressure so it is the same inside and outside again. You are dead if it does not work right.
Great video, as a scuba diver these things terrify me, there is a reason we need so much training to dive safely. One point you missed is the bottle longevity, when you fill a regular scuba tank the air is filtered to make sure no moisture enters the tank, that fancy bike pump wont have one. Which means any moisture that enters the tank will eventually corrode the inside of the tank. Massive scam. great video.
I think I know why this product hasn't shipped...they haven't enough lawyers on retainer yet to adequately fend off all the lawsuits from families of deceased skorkl enthusiasts...
I have an idea, what if we take this design, and make it bigger, and we'll strap it onto your back with a hose that takes the hair to your mouth? ...wait...
They're mostly manly and uncouth. Behaving like men. The ones in this video are either extremely below average or fat. The only decent one was the one in the water.
The thing that would scare the hell out of me, is the regulator valve. What would happen, if during an inhale, the valve sticks open, and fills your lungs with all the air in the tank? I seriously doubt this valve is safe enough for anything...
If that valve stuck open it would not fill your lungs, the excess air escapes the vent. However what would be a problem is all your air would disappear in about 10 seconds if that happened.
The second I saw this video I was thinking, "Re-branded Spare Air bottle plus faked video footage." Wonders never cease. Any freediver or scuba diver worth their salt is gonna stare in horror at the noobs who buy into this campaign because they're seriously cutting corners. Thanks for including Alec Pierce's video as commentary. Also, if these Darwinners are as good in court as they are with researching scuba diving, I hope someone's PPV livestreaming that trial ... because it's gonna be hilarious.
Why why doesn't the air coming out of a scuba kit drop to below freezing as you release it by breathing? When you compress a gas and then let it out of the container, it gets extremely cold. So why doesn't this happen with SCUBA?
@@tarstarkusz It does happen. When you dive in very cold waters during winter, if you test your regulator on the surface, before you dive, sometimes your regulator can freeze and get stuck in the open position, letting all the air escape and making a lot of noise. Very annoying :) This is why it's recommended not to test your regulator for too long on the surface, if the temp is below zero.
How the hell did all of you miss the fact that thunderf00t never said it won't work? He repeatedly said that there is similar technology, that all their calculations on how long it will last and the depths at which it should be used are all spot on. His only objection was that people would abuse it and try to go too deep, and that it won't work at those depths. So yes, natural selection at work if you're an idiot and abuse it. But a great fun product if you use it correctly. People weren't wrong to invest.
@@jold3174 Don't underestimate human stupidity. Scam victims tend to make it worse for themselves through denial. It's sort of the sunk cost mentality, where the more they invest in the scam, the less they want to believe they were scammed, so the more they'll invest into it and so on. That's why scam victims will give away their entire savings to some Nigerian prince and refuse to believe that they're being scammed. I remember all of the Solar Roadway idiots claiming that people had laughed at the Wright brothers and everyone was doing the same with Solar Roadways.
This is honestly the biggest problem. Uneducated-frivolous-hopefuls giving their money to every willy nilly kickstarter with a catchy premise and a picture. Think of every failed kickstarter. There is TON of them. If that money actually went someone, we could have a billion dollars solving hunger or cancer or whatever really. Instead it sits around, in holding, of these companies that never planned on delivering a well-produced, well priced product for these hard working DOLTS...
I understand that the Kickstarter page was full of useful comments and idiots still kept giving money. Kickstarter and similar sites have legitimate uses, but also offer one more way for scammers to use the internet to fleece the stupid and gullible.
You've just been looking in the wrong places, if you want a real bargain I have the latest and greatest in revolutionary water traversing walkways with your name on it, just $999.99 exclusively for you! *adjusts tie nervously*
Because when you have an actual new idea, nobody wants to throw money at it without some sort of proof it will work, even if it is as half-ashed as there being competing products on the market.
Helicopter pilot with extensive water survival training here. We were issued these spare air systems for ditching the aircraft and swimming to the surface. There was no "ok take your time and swim around" but "don't stick this in your mouth until you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO" and the idea was to get you out of water hopefully less than a 100 feet down. because otherwise...even it wouldn't save you. This thing's real use is actually as some of the videos show: simply being a couple feet below the surface workign on your boat or swiumming 5 feet down so you're not obstructed by the waves. Anything else and you're asking to die.
Perhaps if you rented or really skimped on everything and didn't include lessons/cerfitication fees. I'm not too extreme in the hobby, but I've easily sank $700+ on basic equipment.
Are you talking about rentals ? I hope so, dive gear gets into the thousands... easy. My Basic no frills PADI set up was over $2000. My DIR/GUE set up... over $5000. My regulators and hoses alone were $1000. I have over 2400 dives in.
I have over 10,000 easy in my system. I don't want to die. I'm not saying you need even near that but diving will kill you. I would think 2000 is a good number for a good beginner set
@@ronaldbrown9638 I should have been clearer. I was talking about duplicating that system with a certified used gauge for near surface use. A pony bottle costs nowhere near that much. A used regulator would work better than that thing. I can't imagine how tired your mouth would be with a bottle hanging off of it.
When I was a kid, I made one of these using a pair of 2L soda bottles and some tubing. I’d “regulate” the air by biting the tubes. I’d inflate it to about 80 PSI using a bike pump. Man, “diving” in the bathtub was great 😂 Let’s just say I really like MacGyver back then.
Butane 1980 selling the existing product would open them up to lawsuits given the utter disregard for safety. So much easier to just walk away with the money on Indiegogo.
@@MrRacerhacker You certainly can, however I've dived a fair bit in Asia where you see a lot of this stuff and would not recommend them. In fact I'm so particular about my kit when diving I always take my own regardless of distance. In scuba the kit can kill you very easily.
Sounds about right. I've more experience with Chemox and Scott air packs. About 20 minutes on the latter. Both have full facemasks. At best this snorkl thingie might, mighty iffy, be useful getting some one out of a smoke filled building.
As a scuba diver with a couple hundred dives in his log.. i can only shake my head about this. The idea of hordes of untrained idiots underwater is a nightmare. I can only imagine what kind of damage they'd do to the environment, the wildlife and also to themselves. Scuba diving is a beautiful thing, but you need a solid education, training, experience and the right attitude. And that means you'd never use a product like this because you'd know that all the parts that they claim you no longer need.. uhm.. you actually do need. Scuba gear setup is so perfected nowadays that you can't really optimize or take away anything without risking your life (apart from snorkels. Fuck that shit. Nobody needs them)
Person makes a copy of an old product that is barely better than nothing as an emergency device Thunderfoot: "Well, this is bullshit" Honestly, there is great value in pounding into peoples brains that high school level science should be applied before backing any "new" product.
I just got my scuba certification about a year ago, so all the info was fresh in my mind. I had to keep reminding myself that all the diving-related info wasn't common knowledge! You did a great job explaining it though!
That pump is based on a "Hills pump" which was originally designed for filling air bottles used by PCP Air Rifles, some of them can be filled up to 310bar (4500psi). However, it does take a significant amount of effort once past 100bar and about 20 minutes of continuous pumping. But for me, the primary concern would be the HLGI 2 Silicone Grease used to lubricate these hand pumps, which coupled with other airborne external vapours can contaminate the compressed air, resulting in aspiration into the lungs and subsequent pneumonitis. The second concern for me is how to control the amount of water (moisture) entering the tank through the filling process. Why is regulating moisture a problem for scuba tanks? The presence of high water content within a compressed gas is of concern if free water is able to form, this could result in internal corrosion or the freezing of valve components. The air is also being compressed to 4500psi and when released via a regulator is subject to ambient expansion which results in a temperature drop and the formation of ice particles should too much moister be present, this could result in a restriction in gas flow. Optional "Dry Pack" units can be fitted to these hand pumps which will reduce the transfer of moisture caused by adiabatic humidification (The water content of the air supplied by the compressor for filling 200 bar or 300 bar cylinders should not exceed 25 mg·m-3). But that's not the only risk as an old friend experienced once on a diving trip in Egypt, one of his party had filled his own tank at a gasoline station, which led to hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide being inadvertently added to his mix which later resulted in him becoming incapacitated during his dive.
As a casual diver, I still have reservations whenever I go diving. Especially when I'm put in a group of pumped up divers trying to impress their friends and the other group of girls. Almost everytime I go diving the dive masters are like "you look like you've done this quite a few times, mind keeping an eye from the back just in case one of them go off on their own?" I don't mind because I'm certain I'll get some free beer after the dive. Diving is fun but keep the enthusiasm in check. This bottle is definitely not fun. And I also play paintball, that air from the hand pump is definitely not for breathing!
As a diver as well god this makes me cringe on so many levels. You learn all that theory when getting your open water license for a reasons, boils law in particular. But the fact that an average Joe/Jane with no knowledge of any of the principles and can easily take a breath at depth from the scorkyl and think it’s fine to then ascend from that depth to the surface on that one breath while holding their breath truly makes me cringe. Not to mention zero contents gauge so you never have any idea how much air is left. And yeah, there’s no way in HELL I’d trust a bicycle pump to adequately filter the air going into the cylinder. Even the fact the moisture isn’t taken out of the air like it is with a dive shop fill must really not be good and would prob cause oxidation on the inside of the cylinder walls.
I have to say that your BUSTED! series of videos are my favourite, I also like the reality check vids as well!. and that guy in the green shorts at 0:04...... um yeah.
I remember something like that. They had speacil straps to hold emergency tanks on a scuba tank they weren't around very long I thought that was around 72
I’m glad you did this product. I worked for an international medical evacuation company that specialized in Air Ambulances that were equipped for diving medicine cases. You wouldn’t believe how many people used crappy shit like this or thought hey knew what they were doing and ended up with the bends or toxicity or narcosis and were in anything from a coma to presenting with quadriplegia/hemiplegia and were in a very bad way. I’m literally cringing watching this because of how many people ended up dying on a jet from someplace with lots of diving to a first world medical facility because they literally got jaw fatigue from something like this 100’ under the water. It’s almost criminal imo
As a certified Master Scuba diver, I can guarantee that giving a magically full functional version of a Scorkl to anyone without training would be a deathtrap that sends the lucky ones to the hospital with a air expansion injury. Also, be very careful giving diving safety advice beyond your knowledge, because people can get themselves killed or seriously injured if they believe they have been fully informed. Not personal, I respect your channel, but this can be very serious. "if I do down to a hundred meters" That is pushing up on records for extreme divers with tons of training and highly specialized gas mixing. Air is actually toxic past about 66 meters of depth. The partial pressure of oxygen will kill you. Edit: Double-checked with a PADI course-director (top rank in dive education), who confirmed that someone could hurt themselves with a Scorkl-like device in a swimming pool.
Not if he goes down with Trimix. Also air being toxic at 1.6 bar (66MSW) is "theoretical". Divers have gone down well beyond 100MSW on air and survived. Narc'ed off their proverbials, but many have survived. Think of the deep air "pioneers". Of course this is reckless and we have mixed gasses now so no need to do this on air.
Well, I'm certified as well and if people are using this thing to snorkel the shallows then I don't see issue. As long as they are aware that they need to stay shallow with it then they are good to go. From what I have seen there are extensive warnings about the need to stay shallow while using this device. Like anything else, if someone decides to ignore the instructions and warning labels and use it in a way it wasn't intended then, yeah, they could be facing some serious issues. But that could be said about any number of products. How nanny state do we want to get? Aside from the fact that you can't feasibly get air into this thing I think it would be a really cool idea for snorkelers looking to stay under more than 30 seconds at a time.
@@suburbanhobbyist2752 The issue is that relative pressure changes are most intense and dangerous at the lowest depths, so anything deeper than a swimming pool starts to be dangerous. This device lets an uncertified novice take a lung-full at depth and hold it: if some generic free-diver does a their normally safe snorkel dive to 15-30 feet, but takes a full inhale down there to see the pretty fish longer, the shoot to the surface could give them a lung over expansion injury. Edit: double-checked these numbers with a PADI course director, and he stated that a person could start to harm themselves with such a device inside a swimming pool.
@@suburbanhobbyist2752 the regulation level is a separate issue. If general population started using these pieces of junk then the company would get sued into the next fucking dimension by all the people hurting themselves with it.
I´m a certified Master Diver and this is a very good explained video. Just a clarification, as you correctly put it in your graphic 20 mts deep is 3 atm pressure, you add 1 atm every 10 mts. but you need to consider 1 atm at surface level. 9:00 Then is the diver in 100mts deep, there for, it is not at 10 atm it is at 11 atm. Almost 11 bar if the conversion rate is 0.987 atm = 1 bar.
This is evidence enough as to why democracy is not a good idea. Most of these people have a right to vote... So many retards in this world makes me feel very uneasy about the future. I'm glad they lost their money, hopefully they learnt their lesson.
This thing will be banned in most countries as soon as it is released. Seriously, anyone with an entry level Scuba-certification can tell why this products is straight up insane.
Nothing insane about these at all. Plenty of divers use these all the time. They’re safe for shallow water diving (3-5 m), as long as you know not to hold breath when surfacing.
Actually not. I am an OWD as well and as long as you don't keep the pressure in your lungs intentionally there is just about no danger. just exhale while ascending and you'll be fine. Is it still bullshit? HELL YEAH IT IS! Scuba compressors are expensive and tanks have 10 liters of volume for a reason!
@luigi mario in the time you can be underwater with this, you can't get decompression sickness, and lung overexpansion isn't a problem with a little common sense as I explained above. I haven't heard about mold growth in scuba tanks but I think they can't survive long because they don't have a lot of nutrients in there. The oil in the air also isn't that critical. I mean smokers contaminate their lungs way worse and they also don't die instantly. Now don't get me wrong, diving without proper training and equipment by far isn't a good idea. What I'm saying is that you don't just instantly die from using such products. They do work despite being dangerous. However in a world in which you can get sued for choking hazards it is strange that this thing is allowed to be sold
As a diver since 1980, 3 meters with a breath of tank air at ambient pressure will KILL you. A mere 3 FEET (less than a meter) will cause embolism that can kill you. Also, at 30 meters the pressure in your lungs is equal to the ambient pressure. AND Ascending from 100 feet or more is absolutely easy without ANY breaths from a tank and HAVE TO exhale the entire way up or die while traveling at no faster than your bubbles because the air will continue to expand all the way up. Dive courses (at least when I was certified) required an ascent from 60 feet. The only concerns are: 1) the bends - do not dive into decompression ranges. 2) overhead instructions 3) entanglement
As a PADI A-OWD I cringed like hell during the first minute of the video. This is going to kill people if actually sold, which it won't if the scammers are smart enough.
@@iaov True, if I have the option of breathing out of a bike tire 5 times underwater after pumping like a madman for 30 minutes.. No thanks, I'd much rather hold my breath.
@@rusher2937 I was just thinking that too. Even just minor problems with people because they are not trained. I can imagine now someone being 15m down and running out of air, so they just swim up holding their breath... Oh dear
@@dimitar4y You're smart, a video in which thunderf00t debunks shit science must not have any science. Assuming I'm the autist here who watched the video.
@@dimitar4y Hence, my point by saying it's grinding his gears, because it's not real science he's debunking with real science. Are you really that shallow it flew right over your head?
@@dimitar4y It's not pusedoscience, it's science it's just not plausible, doesn't mean it's not science. Your the stubborn idiot who thinks using the exact term you assume should be used according to the scenario that benefits you. Smart again. I'm used to people like you.
As a qualified PADI open water diver, the fact they are trying to push this as a beach toy is terrifying. I have no doubts that if this product never comes out, then lives will have been saved.
@wil edge Honestly no. The part where T.Foot talks about compressed air expanding in the lungs could *easily* burst a lung even coming up from the shallow depth of a swimming pool. Compressed air is never a toy, *especially* if you're breathing it.
@wil edge You're way better off saving up and taking a scuba diving course if it's something that interests you. Many diving centers will give free trial scuba dives in a local pool to let you try it out too. Plus it's not as expensive as you'd think (around $400). I've always rented my scuba gear too which saved me that cost. You only need to go all out and buy your own stuff if it's gonna become your main hobby.
Reading former navy and pararescue personell talk about how dangerous the government funded "Spare Air" system was/is, as much as it is a useful emergency survival tool, just makes me concerned that the government or the FCC didnt step in and shut it down, like it looks so cheap and flimsy, i feel like wirh how dangerous scuba diving can be without proper training (and even with proper training, great divers have died tragically from accidents and simple mistakes at bad times). I feel like Kickstarter/Indigogo etc should be heavily regulating products like this and holding them to a higher standard of safety, or placing a notice on the page that kickstarter/indiegogo cannot guarentee the safety or quality of this project's product.
@@jameson1239 Oh yes, my personal fave is 'slightly stuffy nose' leading to sinus rupture upon ascent. There's definitely way more ways to die than to survive when it comes to diving.
These little cannisters are used in military (at least in NAVY) for emergency egress - they only last 2-3 mins and are solely meant to get you to an actual breathing apparatus.
We have them in our vehicles in case we pulled an unplanned rollover drill into a canal for some impromptu drown-proofing training. I mean, if you're stuck in ten feet of water, they're enough to get out of the upended vehicle... assuming some chucklefuck hasn't emptied it out, and your gear hasn't trapped you.
Yes but they are pre-filled with a machine, not hand pumped on scene. (that rhymed). He mentions that you can, and have been able to for years, buy similar pre-filled canisters commercially.. But even they can be a false sense of security if someone thinks they can spend 10 mins ascending on 3 mins of Spare Air
I'm a diver, and I'm glad you made this video as this thing could definitely lure people into a false sense security. The Scorkl website does say it's only intended for use at or above 3m, and I can understand how having even just 5 minutes of air is going to be a mind-blowing experience for most people who'd struggle to hold their breath for more than 20 seconds doing the same. However, even at just 3m, suddenly and unexpectedly sucking the cylinder dry could be very dangerous, especially for anyone with no training or mental preparation in safely ascending from that depth on their final breath. It doesn't sound very deep, but if someone happily swimming around, exhaled, tried to inhale and suddenly got nothing but a horrible feeling of resistance from the empty cylinder, it would be easy to panic. And given that the pressure gauge is out of sight on the mouthpiece, that's more than likely how most people are going to find out that the cylinder is empty. Even if you do manage to resist the very natural urge to panic, you've still got to swim up on empty lungs, negatively buoyant and with gravity trying to pull you back down (whilst also remembering to exhale if you do still somehow have air left in your lungs). I also can't tell if there's a purge valve on the regulator. If not that could be even more dangerous. If you somehow dislodge the mouthpiece or deliberately take it out for some reason, most people would just put it back in and try to breathe from it, and would then get a lungful of water. And then on top of all that there's the jaw fatigue (which will be bad) and the fact you'll spend far more time re-pressurising the cylinder than you will using it 😂 What a disaster.
As a diver, I want to thank you for doing this video. It really messes up the reef when you have to keep pushing dead bodies out of the way.😉
I like you.
@PringlesKing William it'll also help expanding the reef :>
Let them queue up on Mt Everest.
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That's awesome haha
You’re all wrong man, my friend bought one of these around a year ago, pumped it for around ten minutes and then dived into the Atlantic for a supposedly ten minutes swimming but here we are a year later and my friend is still down there somewhere swimming around like a fish 🐠. I’m saving up for mine now
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@@VisionExplo invention .... ??? I guess you mean they invented a lie .... I really don't think anyone should proud of that invention.
Way to go supporting fraudsters Alvin Lim.
Rule of thumb: If it has girls in bikini in the AD,its a SCAM.
unless youre on an adult website. actually, those are probably scams too
@@MasonRHarper it's always a scam
Especially when they are fat like these are
@@catsbyondrepair they aren't fat though
Fyre festival:
Escobar phone:
Every girl within 2 miles:
I worked in the offshore oil industry (Atlantic Canada) a few years ago. We had something called a Helicopter Underwater Emergency Breathing Apparatus (HUEBA). Very similar to the 'Spare Air' product I believe. Every helicopter trip you would have one of these things attached to your survival suit. Really just intended to give you a chance of survival if you had to escape from a ditched helicopter under water and swim to the surface (better than nothing, in other words). I would have thought it would be an extremely dangerous product to use recreationally. I cant imagine the supplier surviving the lawsuit after the first death.
They didn't, 1000+ have died now
You are right, it is dangerous. People that don't know the first thing about diving would end up with lungs barotrauma due to the difference in pressure and gass volume or even like you said - dead ....
Fun Fact. if you have any air in your lungs at depth you can easily make it to the surface without aid. It expands on the way up.. have done it myself with no air in my tank or lungs (exhaled before starting)
@@stratcat3216 what depth are we talking? my depth of knowledge with diving is swimming the length of a 3 ft rec center pool with a tank on lol
I learned how to use one of these in the military. I think it was only 1-2 minutes of slow breathing.
"2 minutes of air"
Still better than the basic tank in subnautica
I always wondered why that game is set in the future but u have to get the BEST tank in the game to even get over 2 mins
@@corkyg3559 gameplay is gonna gameplay
to be fair, it refills instantly when you emerge, I'd definitely use it :p
@@corkyg3559 Not mentioning you gotta need a rebreather
Lol you can't hold air for 2 min 😅
Easy solution; add solar panels and replace the pump with a hyper loop
Or add a thorium reactor
That idea is lacking tunnels
i wonder if that is also a solution for the gasthrusters on the flying teslas :D
@@etou1146 a bit boring, needing company
Actually, the only reason i didn't donate, is cause it doesn't produce drinking water.
As a scuba diver I can tell you that any bottle you carry down underwater should be as ridiculously clean as you can get it.
The filtering equipment on scuba filling stations is one of the most often replaced materials. In good scuba stations they have rows upon rows of high pressure cylinders that are being filled continuously by very high grade pumps through industrial strength microfilters. Also the air should be as dry as possbile. These pumps are set off to the side, in a shack somewhere because they are LOUD. Because they have to work like crazy. The storage cylinders are usually filled to 300 to 350 bars, so they carry enough pressure to fill the usual 200 bars bottles scuba divers carry with them.
It takes a row of such storage cylinders around 2 minutes of exchanging pressures to fill a 15 liter bottle with a residual filling of around 10 bars to 200 bars.
During that time the filled bottle gets hot. Very hot. In summer it can get uncomfortably hot. Which is why you should let it cool off a bit before preparing for a dive.
At 200 bars you NEED two stages of regulators. One to reduce the pressure from 200 bars to around 10 bars in the first stage, and to the current dive depth pressure in the second stage.
If you do not have a second stage you will get a blast of 10 bars of pressure in the first few gulps.
If you condense that into a single stage which reduces the pressure from 200 bars (or whatever the pressure is in that minute one liter bottle) you will pay a ridiculous amount for that regulator.
Yes, it is technically possible to reduce it to one stage. But that also makes it a) ridiculously expensive and b) highly likely to fail easily.
But do not, under ANY circumstances take it apneu diving to let's say 30 meters depth (definitely possible to easily reach that depth free diving) and THEN take a breath from that bottle. Because that will definitely give you a very serious chance of killing you with a ruptured lung when you surface. The lungs tensile strength is enough to survive around 1.5 to 1.8, 2 max bars.
If you inhale from the bottle at 30 meters and then quickly rise to the surface, the air in your lungs will rapidly expand and experience a total internal pressure of around 4 bars (1 bar surface pressure plus 3 bars from 30 meters depth). That is at least 2 bars in excess of the tensile strength of your lungs. They will rip like an exploded balloon.
Especially if you have NOT been taught how to do an emergency surfacing maneuver. Which includes overcoming your instinct to hold your breath while surfacing. You actively have to overcome that instinct and breath OUT as continuously as possible. That MIGHT, if you are very lucky, give the expanding air in your lungs a chance to escape before it ruptures your lungs.
NOTE: DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS WITHOUT SUPERVISION OR A SKILLED MEDICAL TEAM CLOSE BY. THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND THE NUMBER 1 REASON FOR DIVING RELATED DEATHS.
THIS MANEUVER SHOULD ONLY BE ATTEMPTED IN A VERY SERIOUS DIVING ACCIDENT! AT ALL OTHER TIMES ALWAYS INCLUDE A DECOMPRESSION STOP AT 3 METERS DEPTH!
On the adiabatic bottle heating thing - once the bottle cools, you can usually expect to lose about 10-20% of the total pressure of when it was hot.
Stop on 3 to 6 metres is not called "decompression stop" it is called "safety stop" and it is practice mostly in "no decompression dives" (recreational dives) decompression stops are done on different depths (stage decompression) mostly used for technical diving (you can easily find depths and times in decompression/diving tables).
I am not a diver but from what I understand quick surfacing while exhaling can lead to all sorts of issues even if your lungs (and eardrums) survive. Especially the decompression sickness from the gasses dissolved in your blood could be an issue, I am not sure if you dissolve lots of gas while being in 30m for 2-3 minutes, but I suppose that witch quick ascent you might, and especially if you do not stay on coast but take a plane home or something it could lead to really nasty problems.
There is a reason why diving training takes some time.
Thank you for this information sir.
@@mrlazda its true that the differentiation between safety and decompression stop is made as you describe. However a safety stop IS a decompression stop, it just sounds less scary. Safety stop recommended but not required.
Fun fact, Spare Air was developed back in the 90s (I think) for Navy helicopter crews to be able to escape a water landing inversion quickly. It's really good for that. They later decided to market it for divers as spare air. I actually bought one back in the mid naughties. Never actually used it because it just wasn't worth the clutter it brought to my kit.
The legend has it she is still pumping to this day
She is an Energizer Playboy Bunny.
1:21 She can "pump" my cylinder any day.
and the poor gys in the background still stepping back and forth
PortCharmers they can’t moonwalk off the ledge!
She was 300 LBS when she started pumping.
I'm convinced. I'm going to stick with my Triton Artificial Lung.
Are you going to upgrade to the Nanolatice H2O to O2 conversion lung for just $40,000USD. The surgery is an out-patient procedure!
Haha
I'll sell you one for half price! Just let me go out to my garage and whip one up real quick. I promise it will be just as effective!
@@VariantAEC I'm more in favor of getting a dolphin plastie
Came for the girl, stayed for the physics.
Hehe, came for the girl! Hehe!
122 mm BR-471B Stalinium projectile Newton is forcing you
Ahahah
Honestly me too
Clickbait 101 my friend
I fully agree with your video, but these small bottles are very useful for quick shallow dives such as inspection or repair of the boat, anchor untangling, etc. But, should only be used by trained divers. And forget the pump, fill it with a standard dive compresor.
As a rusted rescue diver, looking at how this is marketed is really scary. Many potential serious injuries are coming. And I say injuries, not accidents, because using this without training and damaging your lungs is not an accident, is stupidity.
I agree. This could certainly have its uses as you describe them above, as it'd save getting properly kitted up just to spend a couple of minutes sorting out some minor issue at a couple of metres.
*scary
@@westerling8436 thanks. Mixed the adjective with the verb form there 🙂
I’ve been getting by with a ziplock baggie filled with air.
It is instantly refilled without any troublesome pumps.
Send me 4 dollars and I’ll send you one.
Bruh how do I buy one
Please add detailed instructions on how to operate it
That guy needs to be careful. I saw a girl in a Scorkl t-shirt and bikini bottoms farting in his baggies while he was on break.
Nice scam😆😆😆
How much if I buy in bulk?
Your "busted" videos are why I subscribed. Keep em coming!
Definitely.
I would watch him explain paint drying.
@@willdabeast1386 Just means you are a beta.
Ya cause you wouldn't like his anti woman stuff, I would think.
Ou you silly.
Just stick pipe to your car exhaust and you can fill it faster.
fill it with dry ice. should do wonders
Hahahahahahahaha!
Omfg 😝
You survive for the same amount of time either way
@@ItsMrAssholeToYou Than just use the new patreon one i set up for my Liquid Nitrogen filling tank! 694x the air capacity! meaning you pour in a litre of Liquid Nitrogen, you get 694 litres of air!!
I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but you're not supposed to fill any scuba-style tank with unfiltered air (like from a bicycle pump).
Small amounts of noxious gases can be unnoticeable in open air but dangerous when compressed and taken underwater.
Thanks, a classic debunking video is the perfect thing to relax to.
Hi, I’m here to debunk the debunker! Here’s how ua-cam.com/video/OJvPuhm3PqM/v-deo.html
Relaxing?! These videos make me angry!
None Blank Even If that’s true, it doesn’t debunk the rest of the video
uzefulvideos It’s really kind of relaxing, to just sit by and watch a terrible project getting ripped apart. But of course it’s infuriating, as they made this much money.
@@blanknone5408 what does it debunk thought?
99% of the major Kickstarters: "We have made something that..."
Thunderf00t: "No you haven't"
You mean like Atari? A loving recreation of the Atari 2600 for the modern age? You mean the AMD Ryzen and 4 to 8gb of RAM? Wait for it.......Over 120 million USD raised to bring the backer what boils to a high end Raspberry Pi 4 with 4gb ram and the new Raspberry Pi with 8gb ram which you can get a 4gb around 50 USD and the Pi 8gb for 75 USD. Compare to the Atari VCS from 299 USD for the 4gb and 349 for the 8gb. Oh but Atari can't give the backers it's console, but made a cryptocurrency online casino and now is building an actual casino in Vegas all with the backers money!!!!! Now that is a scam!!! Oh as for this video, awesome and I'll just do it James Bond style and use a spare tire for air underwater.
Deathstrike_YT sorry to burst ur bubble but 4 and 8 gb of ram is that much it is actually very little
@@juelzjohnson2746 they are pretty alright, though a bit on the low side nowadays depending on application.
Running Linux on 4GB is perfectly fine, doing that on Windows however...
@@juelzjohnson2746 little? I was so happy when i knew that my pc had 8gb of ram because that is so much for a teen that has played on a pc with 2gb of ram.
@@juelzjohnson2746 little? thats still the standard amount someone would need to play any game really, getting anything more than 8 right now is a giant waste of money
But if you had an electric pump powered by a solar-fricken-roadway...
No think bigger. Thorium powered pumps.
Then it would take 2 years to fill? 😁
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It'll take even longer than that because you'll also want to get yourself drinking water from the air.
Ultrahighpressure Tesla/spacex booster tank
@@gibmeaway100 Thorium powered solar roadways powering a matter generator, allowing unlimited time under water!!!
The repair tech at my dive shop calls these “embolism makers” and as a diver watching people use this in their trailer is so stressful lol. Thanks for drawing attention to this! Stay safe y’all 🤙
what is a embolism
@@scott2903 air bubbles that can travel to your brain, heart, and lungs. On scuba/breathing pressurized air the reason you’re supposed to always breathe continuously is that it’s very dangerous to hold your breath and ascend quickly. Doing this can cause the air held in your lungs to expand and cause problems, embolisms being among them. This can happen in as shallow as 10-20 ft of water. Thats why these personal pressurized air tanks anyone can buy without proper training are dangerous: if you aren’t aware how to breathe properly on scuba/under water pressure it can cause serious harm or death.
@@brawlornothin1008 Also, to add to your comment.
Most people do not realize what the brain does when it panics deep underwater.
Proper decision making, air management, measure of time, all potentially can be vastly distorted.
Proper dive training is so important, and so many unique places have been closed from the public or sealed because of deaths. Sad to see most are improper education, or improper planning.
@@TTS-TP thank for reminding me to never go diving
They deserve that embolism if they're stupid enough to use it. Anyone dumb enough to believe this bs doesn't deserve air.
But does it come with all the bikini babes? If so, take my money.
a thot licence is required for that.
Bikini babes are sold separately.
Don't understand. You want a pony bottle AND a couple of extra holes in you hand?
Yes, but they are also inflatable
Hmm... seems vaguely familiar to those ads done by Fyre Fest.
Better Names for this device include: The Embolizer ... The Lung Exploder ... DIY Pneumothorax ... The Lung Popper ... and my favorite.... Recipe for Disaster ...
Le Lungs Go Kapoot
DIY pneumothorax
“Recipe for disaster”? More like “recipe for tasty shark treats”
DIY Pneumothorax 🤣🤣🤣
Also, my favorite; “the lung deflator”.
For $600 you could get your SCUBA 60ft certification, a decent pair of goggles, snorkel, fins, wetsuit, weightbelt, and rent a full tank with regulators and BC.
Chuzzlepuff Puffchuzzle 😥 I definitely over paid.
Not in cali
@@cucuydog6835 as if your exhaust emission regulations weren't enough :/
Hahahaha where in the world do you live?! All of that here would cost $5000 minimum
@@biggusdickus4992 *rent* tank regulators and BC
My first question is, before even wondering whether it’s a scam is “Is this safe?” Surely these people haven’t had any training and may not realize the extreme danger of holding your breath while ascending on a lung full of compressed air.
Maybe these kind of products should be sold with a 'max three meters deep' warning or so.
As far as I grasp it and this video also mentions, that's quite a safe depth pressure wise.
@@gauloiseguy I really don't think so. If you took a full breath at 3 meters, held, and ascended to the surface, the relative pressure in your lungs (pressure inside vs pressure outside) still increases by almost 30%.
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Might be. I'm not an expert. Hopefully it was clear from my post I was guesstimating.
Seems like a fun product if it would work. Having a mechanical valve prothesis it's a product I'll never use anyway 😉
She can give me 1 stroke per second, sounds great.
Plus 50ml a stroke? Seems like quite the adventure
Really? She looks like a 12 year old boy. I prefer at least some curves and femininity.
@@suburbanhobbyist2752 lol if only she were a black chick
Ah, handjob jokes. I'm glad to see another man of culture here.
Why are we geting onto such lewd topics on a science vedio
Even for someone who never took basic chemistry and physics - but for everyone who has ever had to hand pump a bicycle or car tire - this should "intuitively" be bogus. A fool and his money...
It is not a bogus, it is just hard work to use the hand pump, that is why most people would fill it from big tank. I am surprised it was not delivered because much cheaper versions are already on the market. It is not much of use and could be dangerous, but spare air is not that hard to come by.
And yet you didn't notice the fact that thunderf00t actually said it will only take 10 mins to pump up and that technology like it already exists and works.
But you have a bike pump, so we should trust you. Okay buddy.
@@plaguedoct0r : Bicycle pump has a bigger piston. But yeah, it's tough when it gets up to 50 psi.
@@plaguedoct0r Huh? I didn't say anything about time. I'm talking about pressure.
@@harrymills2770 Thunderf00t did all of the calculations. They all agreed with what the Snorki claimed it could do. Thunderf00t's only disagreement was that it won't work at depths it wasn't designed to handle, and he also said that it MIGHT lead to people misusing it.
Neither of those mean that it's a scam product. Neither means that it shouldn't be made.
BOTH are qualitative bullshit arguments, not the careful scientific debunkings he usually presents.
Thunderf00t should be ashamed of this video.
I got certified for $100. (Instructor was a buddy of mine.)
I lived in Hawaii, and you could easily find lots of people selling used dive gear for pennies on the dollar. Everything you needed for a couple hundred bucks, no problem.
I used to dive three tanks a day, two or three days a week. All I had to pay for was air refills, and I got a discount for being local.
In Australia, the most you'll ever pay for a standard air refill from a reputable, government trusted dive shop, is $15.00 (230 bar).
Even then, the more you go in you'll find that they'll give you the odd one free or knock a few dollars off the regular price.
The idea of scuba diving makes me wish I lived near the ocean
Owen Sauve really? The idea of scuba diving makes *me* never want to swim again.
Another thing I must add that an important part of a scuba equipment is a BCD (buoyancy control device). Without it you won't be able to effortlessly glide under water like it is shown in the promotional videos for this "product"
A BC wouldn't be necessary to free dive.
Crowdfunded products are a huge red flag because it shows that they couldn't convince private investors to take a risk.
Private investors are usually a lot more careful about where they invest their money.
Crowdfunding relies on the ignorance of people who are easily conned by simplicity and sales pitches that sound too good to be true.
Cannot agree. It is not always that simple.
Sometimes people just do not want to deal with private investors or many other reasons. Take a look on some projects in board game developments for example.
'Not at all. Yes, there are plenty of shady - to say the least - crowd funding campaigns. I have invested in several good ones. There are distinct advantages to crowd funding for some products. I haven't decided fully, yet, but I am considering opening at least three crowd-funded projects. If they are unsuccessful, then I will not have lost much, or perhaps nothing at all. If they are successful, then I will be able to produce low volumes of quality products without a lot of overheard. I don't expect any of these to have high volumes of sales.
There's... a bit of a difference between a board game and, say, Solar Roadways or Scorkl. You don't need an in-depth understanding of the subject to look at a game and say, "Yeah, that looks cool."
And even with games, there are plenty of horror stories about the designers taking the money and run. Just look what happened with Robotech RPG Tactics and Palladium Games.
@@stevenschnepp576 well, crowdfunding is always a risk, you need to keep it in mind.
As well as, you do not need a detailed in-deep understanding in projects like snorkl or that one with rebreather, you only need some simple understanding of how the world around you works. Not a quantum physics, but very basics of physics and chemistry. It's a shame that in some countries they do not educate people properly))
But hey, if you are smart enough to support such a project, maybe you can call it a "paid education"?)
@@leslierhorer1412 You havent invested into anything. You simply paid for something that wasnt made with the hopes it will be made one day. In other words, you put yourself at a tremendous financial risk. All in all, it has nothing to do with the term "invest"
The idiots that didn’t get their skorkel should be thanking they’re lucky stars. At least they’re still alive to ask for a refund
Roger that. You don't breathe compressed air without training. I'm imagining someone taking a deep breath then rapidly ascending while holding it.
It could just be a bikini commercial
Boi rapid ascention is no joke. It kinda scares me to think of an untrained person holding their breath at full and ascending.
@Bobby b they dont get the difference between snorkeling and scuba diving lol
@@davidlee1770 ive swam 50 feet underwater freediving the only bad thing is its cold as a mf at the bottom of lakes that feed rivers but you can find things at times like glasses but its quite hard to get your body to adjust to the cold you have to stay under for a good period to adjust so your muscles dont cramp up thats my enjoyment when i swim
Funny story:
When i was 8, in my dads car driving back home from a trip to a blueberry farm when i had a genius idea: use a pump to fill a big pop bottle and use it as a diy snorkel kit. Wont hold much air because it is plastic, but it will give you a few breaths and it will be super cheap. A few years pass and these damned companies stole my idea!
If you'd thought to connect that to a water pistol, you'd have invented the Super Soaker and would now be extremely rich.
@@greenaum except that im 15 now and super soakers have existed for years before me.
@Curtis Riceman 2012, mate. Give or take.
@Curtis Riceman Far as I know, plastic "scuba" gear for casual swimmers that you fill from a pump is a new thing. The lad didn't say he invented the idea of breathing from a tank.
I did that with a Camelback
Very good video. As a diver I would like to say that an 8l / min consumption is very low. Only a child or small woman who is super relaxed could get there. My organization has the standard for diving set at 20l / min for safety with a seasoned male diver probably being at 12-16l / min according to fitness, weight etc.
basically, by the time you finish pumping it up, you're going to be too tired to go scuba diving
do like 6 bottles in a week and boom you got about 45 minutes of diving fun on the weekend!
@@JeremiahDouglas and also a fit body
2x1
@@JeremiahDouglasDon't forget to plan your funeral
A million Australian dollars? I think you mean “dollarydoos.”
nice simpsons reference
That's a bloody outrage, it is!
I’da called them Chadwuzzers.
They don't call them dollarydoos anymore because dingos ate my baby!
Am Australian, can confirm. It's dollarydoos.
Fresh air from a can - whatever next? Steam powered kettle?
Now I want to watch space balls
A jettle, pulsejet powered kettle ;-) Ask Colin Furze
Well if you use the steam from the kettle to power the kettle... i think thats perpetual energy
ua-cam.com/video/nXNOyknNwlQ/v-deo.html
WoW... imagine the energy returns if you would put a steam generator on a kettle so it would store the power for your next cup of tea! GENIUS!
"you can die really quickly underwater" is more than enough warning for me to just not get in an ocean no matter what kind of bottle it is.
Bro, the true is nobody die quickly under the water.... i bet youd be agonized for air for like 3 minutes before you pass out for the lack of oxygenation, then you full die in like 3-5 mins after you pass out.
So is not quick die in 5/7 mins underwater... :v
Im not afraid of die.
But im very afraid of die by suffocation or burned alive :v.
I preffer a fast dead like hit by a 18 wheels truck or a shot in the head.
You can die any where any time. Diving is really beautiful, and safe I used scuba for the best part of 30 years never a problem , seen things that were unable to see anywhere else. But you best learn to swim well before getting into scuba diving.
Yo, they have underwater in your home now too.
Even avoiding the ocean, you won't be totally safe.
@@pak3ton suffocation is a pretty painless way to go actually, being burned alive however I would be afraid of
Being a pedestrian is more dangerous than scuba diving, assuming you get the proper training.
Hmm. It MUST be easy to force tons of air into a small cylinder... That's why powerful piston air compressors that have enough oomph to fill a semi truck tire to 100 PSI, which WILL kill you if said tire fails and blows up, even at that pressure, which is a tiny fraction of what air tanks hold. Aren't even close to being up to the job of filling breathing air tanks. Old school firefighting air tanks, the big heavy metal ones, hold about 2800 psi. The newer, lighter, relatively stronger composite tanks are generally rated a little over 4000psi. In order to fill either, we have to use a cascade system, which is a giant air compressor connected to a series of tanks that successively decrease in size down the line. These systems are incredibly large, noisy, and expensive. They are also majestically dangerous. Your air tank goes into a big heavy steel armored frag sleeve/box/tube/chamber (depending on age, model of cascade system) because any tiny unseen failure in the tank being filled is CATASTROPHIC. Shit will level the damn building if it's not particularly well built. Compressed air at these pressures is no joke. I'm a firefighter, a pilot, an adrenaline junkie, and there's very little I fear... But compressed air at a few thousand psi scares the ever loving shit out of me. Anytime I have to fill one of those damn tanks, my sphincter suddenly becomes rated for 4500 psi. To say nothing of the fact that the damn tanks get HOT when you're cramming that much air into them. But yeah. Seems like something a 130 pound bikini chick could do, and do safely, with a bike pump.
You need to look at precharged air rifle pumps.
Actually its not too hard with this product. I use mine all the time
Um do you not believe in hydrostatic testing, and physical examination
Mate a failure in a tank that is being filled isn't going to be "CATASTROPHIC" and level the entire building. I've seen 200bar steel tanks suddenly decompressing. Yes, it's dangerous, there is a big bang and they become heavy projectiles that have a scary punch. But they aren't bombs that destroy buildings ^^
@@earlgrey2130 he's a pilot. Pilots over exaggerate everything.
When you have F in engineering, math and science.
But has A++ at public speaking, presentation and sales talk.
Marketing: 100
isn't it speech?
Steve Jobs ini a nutshell
@@tristan6509 "Think different" -Apple Inc. :)
@@tristan6509 Steve Jobs actually delivered product. These people, scammed millions for ZERO product.
These people knew exactly what they made. This product wasn't intended to work to begin with. Just to lure people who aren't smart enough to do their own research on google or just simply ask how this would work on some diving forum. Also can't really blame OP of the campaign, if there are so many idiots... why not make money off them?
remember how hard it was to pump your super soaker as a kid. enough said
Hahahahah great analogy.
Until you learn the water hose will attach
@@jackiehopson8334 yh but who wants to drag a hose around? and most houses only have one or two faucets hooked up with hoses
@@maybelikealittlebit what is wrong with the Miatas oil temperature gauge
At this point, just be a free diver. Freedivers can go hundreds of feet deep and they don't have to worry about narcosis, the bends (they're not down there long enough to exceed NDL), and even lung expansion injuries..(holding the same breath, so no expansion issues).
The worst danger is shallow water blackout.
YES i was waiting for another BUSTED video please do more :)
All you have to do is come up with a really bad idea, start a kickstarter, raise a million dollars or so, then watch Thunderfoot make a busted video about it. 😁
@@my3dviews Holly shit i never thought about it this way i'm going on Scamstarter right now XD
@@michal_c9007 Oh, and make sure that it has solar panels on it, that always gets lots of support. LOL
Scorkyl sounds like a bootleg Pokémon
Well to be honest it sound like a gen 8 Pokemon
Draw more sydney
And also a gen 1, so get over that already. @@paradoxzee6834
Give it two or three more years.
Actually I'm a bit older but I'm what I'm thinking of is an 80s cartoon called the snorks. Does anyone else remember the snorks?
Ha ha ha. LOL. Did you notice all the real divers with the scuba gear and tanks @0:23 - 0:26. Pause it at 23 and 24 sec. They were probably the filming crew.
Standing by with spare regulators in case the guy's Scorkl popped out of his mouth or ran out of air.
Basic safety, you wouldn't get insurance to be able to do this sort of video without proper divers and spare air
@@Gobtik Sure, but you can sell the crap. Ahh what's not to like about runaway capitalism.
I’m surprised any reputable scuba diver would contemplate assisting marketing this. Dangerous on so many levels.
Bushtrail, seriously, maybe the scuba-diving associations all over the world should issue warnings to the general public against usage of such unsafe devices. If you know anyone who's active in such things, please send him a message.
(I'm not a diver myself, and even I can see how this damn thing promotes unsafe practices.)
"If she sat on the piston she still might not get enough". Maybe not but it would be fun to watch.
I was hoping to see that scene...must be on the cutting room floor.
Ach ! What have ye done woman ? The handles all slippery !
@@dennispickard7743 Read that in a thick (excuse me, *thicc* ) Scottish accent and that was so god damn funny. Don't know if it was supposed to be read in Scottish, German or Pirate, but they all work actually
Sephikong Lol 😂 yes I’m Scottish
Be well friend 👍🏻🍻🏴
Think i've seen that video already. It was on a different website though, not youtube.
Thunderf00t over here being the buzzkill, while the rest of us simple creatures just wanted to watch females hand pumping phallic objects for 30 minutes...
Great video, got 'em again!
and women with small tanks stuffed in their mouths
Right? What a nerd!
Why do you give females such power. Why put them on a pedestal? Oh wow a woman with pump wooowwww gives you excitement? Never give them the power.
This is like a school project where you have to create a cool and fancy object (lacking science behind it) to entice people to buy it. lol
You just described the public school required "Science Fair Project" which glorifies the one kid who's parents are actual scientists.
Yeah but it not scam since the creator is a kid and they scare to scam someone lmao
On a robotics team a long time ago the theme was clean water or something. And they wanted to do nanobots. They had no idea how it would work, nk prototypes and overall it was stupid.
Try adults version in Fortune 50 companies. Fake project scopes peddled all the way to CEO - literally, CEO made mention of these projects thinking they’re real, in front of analysts and investors.
I'm starting to wonder if anarchy would be better than large companies at ruling the world
12:18 "All the dangers of scuba diving on the cheap without any benefits." Lol.
You would need a specialist pump built for charging PCP air rifles to fill the little dive cylinder ,there's no way she would have the physical strength to manually pump enough air into it ,as a shooter I've had experience with pumps and compressors , I'm still stunned that people backed this.
i love that people think that someone on kickstarter somehow made better diving gear than the us navy
@@ES-qe1nh if by "works" you mean make money than yes your right. otherwise its an overpriced copy of an existing cheaper device.
@@ES-qe1nh So does social Darwinism, it seems.
The US Navy and holidaymakers have different requirements from their dives. That's why cheap plastic snorkels are perfectly acceptable for one, but not the other.
" than the us navy
"
just because its military doesn't mean its good contracts go to the lowest bidder i was in the military for a decade most soldiers prefer to buy third party nonissued gear
@@indeed8211 Ah yes, please point me to the nearest rebreather reseller please.
Years ago while serving in the military, we went through exercises designed to help us escape from a helicopter that has ditched in the water. Each of us were issued a small "bailout" bottle very similar to this. Our instructors told us the bottles held enough air for us to exit the helicopter and begin ascending to the surface. One jokingly said, if you can control your breathing, you may get 5-mins worth of air. We thought, if it just gave us enough air to get outside of the helicopter, it was worth the weight/money/hassle etc. Fortunately, I never had to put the bottle to the test.
Yep, that's what Spare Air originated as. From what I heard it was issued to many Navy helo crews for this very purpose. You have to ditch and submerge quickly or invert and it's meant to give you time to get oriented and escape. Nothing more. This whole business of unskilled diving using it is just asking for trouble.
I actually pretty much like the idea as an emergency tool.
You guys got air tanks ? Our HUET is with what ever your own lungs can hold.
@@diesockedeslebens6599 I usually dive with a Luxfer 13 CF bottle, vintage Conshelf XIV with 6 foot hose and 6" SPG hose. That gives me more than 10 minutes at 40'.
We carried these for VBSS in the Navy, supposedly to escape a scuttled boat. Like most of our equipment we never trained with or used them.
Skorkle: Now everyone can have air embolisms!
I think it's a blessing in disguise that this product never shipped. Just imagine how many people could have died using it.
Playing around with oxygen in an environment you can't breathe in... yep... like cleaning a loaded gun.
Don't forget how awesome this will be, when you pump in, invisible gases like carbon monoxide, because you're doing this in your old ass leaky camper as you're driving to the beach.
What's the problem with cleaning loaded guns, I'm doing it right n
A high-pressure gas vessel just a few cm from your mouth. Sounds safe.
The94GTC yes. Seeing as people have been using those tanks for a long time extremely safely
@@europeansovietunion7372
I am not a diver but I know enough about pressure and diving to know that these sorts of things are extremely dangerous.
Heaven forbid some idiot decides to free-dive with one of these and take a few breaths at the bottom before resurfacing.
Also there is a good reason why the mouthpiece on scuba breathing apparatus is called a regulator - goodness knows if this has a regulator.
Could you please elaborate on that? Sound interesting.
@@Necrosian the air compresses at depths, so going to the surface after breathing your lungs full at the bottom is a horrible idea.
@@Necrosian I wrote the comment before watching the video - if you watch the whole video Thunderf00t explains what I have said in more detail.
@@Necrosian from what I understood. If you breathe at 2 atmospheres your lungs grow to twice it size at 1 atm (sea level), if you breathe at 3 atm your lungs expands 3 times its size at sea level.
Sounds painful enough.
@@Necrosian you need a regulator because 200 bar of air pressure will let you burst like a balloon. Man ist made for 0 bar, because outside the lung and inside the lung is the same atmospheric pressure. That is why humans have a diaphragm that works like bellows. Under water pressure is much higher, because of waters density. The regulator has to even out the pressure so it is the same inside and outside again. You are dead if it does not work right.
To be fair to bikini-girl, she seems to be pumping so hard she's causing a transient temporal reversal.
Great video, as a scuba diver these things terrify me, there is a reason we need so much training to dive safely. One point you missed is the bottle longevity, when you fill a regular scuba tank the air is filtered to make sure no moisture enters the tank, that fancy bike pump wont have one. Which means any moisture that enters the tank will eventually corrode the inside of the tank. Massive scam. great video.
I think I know why this product hasn't shipped...they haven't enough lawyers on retainer yet to adequately fend off all the lawsuits from families of deceased skorkl enthusiasts...
I have an idea, what if we take this design, and make it bigger, and we'll strap it onto your back with a hose that takes the hair to your mouth?
...wait...
Takes the hair to your mouth lol
@@966Mako 😂😂 woops lol
Did you watch the video? This is not the same as a dive tank. This is such a bad idea on so many levels I do not know where to start.
@@1gallimaufry sarcasm is hard to portray in comments lol
@@kjs8719 nah we all got it. @1gallimaufry is just dumb dumb
A great thing about hot Aussie girls? ...It takes less pumps for them to finish.
Are we still talking about air?
They're mostly manly and uncouth. Behaving like men. The ones in this video are either extremely below average or fat. The only decent one was the one in the water.
@@strategicthinker8899 I'm certain you are talking about aussie aboriginals.
@@dylanslater83 You ever left Australia and gone somewhere comparable, with European-descended people? Plenty of Australian women are gorgeous!
We arent talking about air anymore!
gamestar the game boss the girls are airheads
The thing that would scare the hell out of me, is the regulator valve.
What would happen, if during an inhale, the valve sticks open, and fills your lungs with all the air in the tank?
I seriously doubt this valve is safe enough for anything...
If that valve stuck open it would not fill your lungs, the excess air escapes the vent. However what would be a problem is all your air would disappear in about 10 seconds if that happened.
Idiot
The second I saw this video I was thinking, "Re-branded Spare Air bottle plus faked video footage." Wonders never cease.
Any freediver or scuba diver worth their salt is gonna stare in horror at the noobs who buy into this campaign because they're seriously cutting corners. Thanks for including Alec Pierce's video as commentary.
Also, if these Darwinners are as good in court as they are with researching scuba diving, I hope someone's PPV livestreaming that trial ... because it's gonna be hilarious.
Yeah, that was the first thing I thought, too. SpareAir bottles are kind of nice, but I always preferred a standard air pony.
MiG-21bis Fishbed-L I thought exactly that. In fact i bet they are actual spare air bottles, since (I think) they are still under patent
Why why doesn't the air coming out of a scuba kit drop to below freezing as you release it by breathing? When you compress a gas and then let it out of the container, it gets extremely cold. So why doesn't this happen with SCUBA?
@@tarstarkusz It does happen. When you dive in very cold waters during winter, if you test your regulator on the surface, before you dive, sometimes your regulator can freeze and get stuck in the open position, letting all the air escape and making a lot of noise. Very annoying :)
This is why it's recommended not to test your regulator for too long on the surface, if the temp is below zero.
+MrK... But does this happen because because of the cold water or because of the expanding gas?
I'm not sure this should be discouraged. It actually does look like natural selection at work.
Only if they deliver.
Astarath You got us in the first half not gonna lie.
a trap is hardly natural...
How the hell did all of you miss the fact that thunderf00t never said it won't work? He repeatedly said that there is similar technology, that all their calculations on how long it will last and the depths at which it should be used are all spot on.
His only objection was that people would abuse it and try to go too deep, and that it won't work at those depths.
So yes, natural selection at work if you're an idiot and abuse it.
But a great fun product if you use it correctly.
People weren't wrong to invest.
@@plaguedoct0r what? You just contradicted him to arrive at the same conclusion
Got to start my own scam...er, I mean new product line! Yeah, that....
I will not tell anyone it is a scam for 10% of profit
@@jold3174 Don't underestimate human stupidity. Scam victims tend to make it worse for themselves through denial. It's sort of the sunk cost mentality, where the more they invest in the scam, the less they want to believe they were scammed, so the more they'll invest into it and so on. That's why scam victims will give away their entire savings to some Nigerian prince and refuse to believe that they're being scammed.
I remember all of the Solar Roadway idiots claiming that people had laughed at the Wright brothers and everyone was doing the same with Solar Roadways.
Dehydrated Water might be a good starter project
@@ivanlagrossemoule
But more people will invest if they think it is real
If Thunderf00t was my science teacher I would never leave school. This channel is fun.
So what I learned people need to research BEFORE! handing over money to kick starter type funds.
I think the world clickd on the that when kickstart first started off
This is honestly the biggest problem. Uneducated-frivolous-hopefuls giving their money to every willy nilly kickstarter with a catchy premise and a picture. Think of every failed kickstarter. There is TON of them. If that money actually went someone, we could have a billion dollars solving hunger or cancer or whatever really. Instead it sits around, in holding, of these companies that never planned on delivering a well-produced, well priced product for these hard working DOLTS...
Kick start me to research over other kickstarters.
I understand that the Kickstarter page was full of useful comments and idiots still kept giving money. Kickstarter and similar sites have legitimate uses, but also offer one more way for scammers to use the internet to fleece the stupid and gullible.
People that want to breathe with the snorkel for 10 minutes
Me:
Pall bearers: 🕺🏿🕺🏿⚰🕺🏿🕺🏿
astromania intensifies
@@Amy-si8gq tanana nana ×2
Why is it that 99.9999999% of everything I see on crowdfunding is slapping a new label on an already commercially available product?
because it's easier to rip something off than to actually create something original.
You've just been looking in the wrong places, if you want a real bargain I have the latest and greatest in revolutionary water traversing walkways with your name on it, just $999.99 exclusively for you! *adjusts tie nervously*
Because when you have an actual new idea, nobody wants to throw money at it without some sort of proof it will work, even if it is as half-ashed as there being competing products on the market.
Because people are dumb enough to spend money on crowdfunding.
@@yissssss All of your answers are correct & it's sad that they are. :(
Helicopter pilot with extensive water survival training here. We were issued these spare air systems for ditching the aircraft and swimming to the surface.
There was no "ok take your time and swim around" but "don't stick this in your mouth until you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO" and the idea was to get you out of water hopefully less than a 100 feet down. because otherwise...even it wouldn't save you.
This thing's real use is actually as some of the videos show: simply being a couple feet below the surface workign on your boat or swiumming 5 feet down so you're not obstructed by the waves.
Anything else and you're asking to die.
Damn. She can pump for 25 minutes... I can barely get 3.
Well, there are these little blue pills you can get to help with that problem.
@@kleinjahr don't need them if you don't lose it anyway, simply keep pumping...
I remember being able to pump a bikini-clad blonde for 25 minutes...*sigh*
@@robertcartier5088 Must have been a huge blow-up doll if it really took 25 minutes to pump full!
@@MrZetor Curves, man... It's all about the curves. ;-)
It's funny how scuba gear doesn't cost this much
Perhaps if you rented or really skimped on everything and didn't include lessons/cerfitication fees. I'm not too extreme in the hobby, but I've easily sank $700+ on basic equipment.
Are you talking about rentals ? I hope so, dive gear gets into the thousands... easy. My Basic no frills PADI set up was over $2000. My DIR/GUE set up... over $5000. My regulators and hoses alone were $1000. I have over 2400 dives in.
I have over 10,000 easy in my system. I don't want to die. I'm not saying you need even near that but diving will kill you. I would think 2000 is a good number for a good beginner set
@@ronaldbrown9638 I'd love to spend that kind of scratch on gear. I'm landlocked and most of mine was bought as a teenager so I went pretty cheap.
@@ronaldbrown9638 I should have been clearer. I was talking about duplicating that system with a certified used gauge for near surface use. A pony bottle costs nowhere near that much. A used regulator would work better than that thing. I can't imagine how tired your mouth would be with a bottle hanging off of it.
Looks like the Fyre Festival of Snorkeling.
this one deserves a LKIE !
LMAO
Dashcon*
When I was a kid, I made one of these using a pair of 2L soda bottles and some tubing. I’d “regulate” the air by biting the tubes. I’d inflate it to about 80 PSI using a bike pump. Man, “diving” in the bathtub was great 😂 Let’s just say I really like MacGyver back then.
These guys are geniuses. Able to sell an existent product as an innovation without delivering it.
Butane 1980 selling the existing product would open them up to lawsuits given the utter disregard for safety. So much easier to just walk away with the money on Indiegogo.
@@AWriterWandering you can get these scuba kits on aliepress pretty cheap
@@MrRacerhacker i do not want to die drowning in water or my own blood.
@@MrRacerhacker You certainly can, however I've dived a fair bit in Asia where you see a lot of this stuff and would not recommend them. In fact I'm so particular about my kit when diving I always take my own regardless of distance. In scuba the kit can kill you very easily.
The non-delivery is the innovation here.
5 minute escape bottle for supplied air toxic atmosphere work in refineries is twice as large at 1500 psi.
What kind of work do you do in refineries? I use to be a steam fitter and I use to love doing fresh air jobs.
twice as large at half the pressure is the same amount of breaths
Sounds about right. I've more experience with Chemox and Scott air packs. About 20 minutes on the latter. Both have full facemasks. At best this snorkl thingie might, mighty iffy, be useful getting some one out of a smoke filled building.
@@kleinjahr hello oil and gas colleague, I'm from Abu dhabi refinery, you?
@@postit5725 Not oil and gas, used to work ships, past little while working ammonia refrig plant.
Thank you. I'm a Scuba Diver and you got all right just thx to get people to realize this product is BS!
Yup. He nailed it. smdh.
@raiden z What, you mean a working product for shallow-water short-period use?
Just go buy a spare air tank lol
Literally got an ad on this video for this very product (same thing but called “scopel”)…the same exact thing, even showed the same pump!
As a scuba diver with a couple hundred dives in his log.. i can only shake my head about this. The idea of hordes of untrained idiots underwater is a nightmare. I can only imagine what kind of damage they'd do to the environment, the wildlife and also to themselves.
Scuba diving is a beautiful thing, but you need a solid education, training, experience and the right attitude. And that means you'd never use a product like this because you'd know that all the parts that they claim you no longer need.. uhm.. you actually do need. Scuba gear setup is so perfected nowadays that you can't really optimize or take away anything without risking your life (apart from snorkels. Fuck that shit. Nobody needs them)
I saw the dumb bastard hanging onto the coral in the promo clip.
person makes a new product on kick starter.
Thunderf00t "i'm about to debunk this persons whole kickstarter"
Apart from that they made this back in 2016 or 2017 or something like it.
Person makes a copy of an old product that is barely better than nothing as an emergency device
Thunderfoot: "Well, this is bullshit"
Honestly, there is great value in pounding into peoples brains that high school level science should be applied before backing any "new" product.
All The Money Should Just Go To Thunderfoot Then!
I just got my scuba certification about a year ago, so all the info was fresh in my mind. I had to keep reminding myself that all the diving-related info wasn't common knowledge! You did a great job explaining it though!
That pump is based on a "Hills pump" which was originally designed for filling air bottles used by PCP Air Rifles, some of them can be filled up to 310bar (4500psi). However, it does take a significant amount of effort once past 100bar and about 20 minutes of continuous pumping.
But for me, the primary concern would be the HLGI 2 Silicone Grease used to lubricate these hand pumps, which coupled with other airborne external vapours can contaminate the compressed air, resulting in aspiration into the lungs and subsequent pneumonitis. The second concern for me is how to control the amount of water (moisture) entering the tank through the filling process.
Why is regulating moisture a problem for scuba tanks?
The presence of high water content within a compressed gas is of concern if free water is able to form, this could result in internal corrosion or the freezing of valve components.
The air is also being compressed to 4500psi and when released via a regulator is subject to ambient expansion which results in a temperature drop and the formation of ice particles should too much moister be present, this could result in a restriction in gas flow.
Optional "Dry Pack" units can be fitted to these hand pumps which will reduce the transfer of moisture caused by adiabatic humidification (The water content of the air supplied by the compressor for filling 200 bar or 300 bar cylinders should not exceed 25 mg·m-3).
But that's not the only risk as an old friend experienced once on a diving trip in Egypt, one of his party had filled his own tank at a gasoline station, which led to hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide being inadvertently added to his mix which later resulted in him becoming incapacitated during his dive.
i mean you cant be sued if the person whos going to sue you is dead.
Who art thou so wise and brave
You just gave me a business idea 😊
You dont die at this depth, you just live the rest of your life, partialy blind and deaf with pains everywhere.
Until you find out they have family
Thats what surviving relatives are for :P
As a casual diver, I still have reservations whenever I go diving. Especially when I'm put in a group of pumped up divers trying to impress their friends and the other group of girls. Almost everytime I go diving the dive masters are like "you look like you've done this quite a few times, mind keeping an eye from the back just in case one of them go off on their own?" I don't mind because I'm certain I'll get some free beer after the dive.
Diving is fun but keep the enthusiasm in check. This bottle is definitely not fun. And I also play paintball, that air from the hand pump is definitely not for breathing!
Oh yeah, the last thing you want in your scuba tank is oil residue or water that you compressed into it.
As a diver as well god this makes me cringe on so many levels.
You learn all that theory when getting your open water license for a reasons, boils law in particular. But the fact that an average Joe/Jane with no knowledge of any of the principles and can easily take a breath at depth from the scorkyl and think it’s fine to then ascend from that depth to the surface on that one breath while holding their breath truly makes me cringe.
Not to mention zero contents gauge so you never have any idea how much air is left.
And yeah, there’s no way in HELL I’d trust a bicycle pump to adequately filter the air going into the cylinder. Even the fact the moisture isn’t taken out of the air like it is with a dive shop fill must really not be good and would prob cause oxidation on the inside of the cylinder walls.
@@tinderella2386 all true, but its actually Boyle's law, not boils.
@@BennyAscent well if you go deep enough and surface fast enough the nitrogen will "Boyle" out of your blood lmao
@@ColinG Yes, I am aware. My point about the name of the inverse proportionality of volume and pressure, however, stands.
I have to say that your BUSTED! series of videos are my favourite, I also like the reality check vids as well!. and that guy in the green shorts at 0:04...... um yeah.
Warped Perception What about the guy in the green shorts?
@@aarocka11 um yeah.
Yeah uhm!
@@aarocka11 lookin at her ass
@@loomyair what ass? she's flat as a board.. and he is walking like he soiled himself.
In the Army, they had "pony bottles" for "very short" water insertions. In 1979, maybe 3 minutes.
I remember something like that. They had speacil straps to hold emergency tanks on a scuba tank they weren't around very long I thought that was around 72
I’m glad you did this product. I worked for an international medical evacuation company that specialized in Air Ambulances that were equipped for diving medicine cases. You wouldn’t believe how many people used crappy shit like this or thought hey knew what they were doing and ended up with the bends or toxicity or narcosis and were in anything from a coma to presenting with quadriplegia/hemiplegia and were in a very bad way. I’m literally cringing watching this because of how many people ended up dying on a jet from someplace with lots of diving to a first world medical facility because they literally got jaw fatigue from something like this 100’ under the water. It’s almost criminal imo
As a certified Master Scuba diver, I can guarantee that giving a magically full functional version of a Scorkl to anyone without training would be a deathtrap that sends the lucky ones to the hospital with a air expansion injury.
Also, be very careful giving diving safety advice beyond your knowledge, because people can get themselves killed or seriously injured if they believe they have been fully informed. Not personal, I respect your channel, but this can be very serious.
"if I do down to a hundred meters" That is pushing up on records for extreme divers with tons of training and highly specialized gas mixing. Air is actually toxic past about 66 meters of depth. The partial pressure of oxygen will kill you.
Edit: Double-checked with a PADI course-director (top rank in dive education), who confirmed that someone could hurt themselves with a Scorkl-like device in a swimming pool.
I was wondering why he was talking about 100 metres for an example given that is pretty extreme example.
Not if he goes down with Trimix. Also air being toxic at 1.6 bar (66MSW) is "theoretical". Divers have gone down well beyond 100MSW on air and survived. Narc'ed off their proverbials, but many have survived. Think of the deep air "pioneers". Of course this is reckless and we have mixed gasses now so no need to do this on air.
Well, I'm certified as well and if people are using this thing to snorkel the shallows then I don't see issue. As long as they are aware that they need to stay shallow with it then they are good to go. From what I have seen there are extensive warnings about the need to stay shallow while using this device. Like anything else, if someone decides to ignore the instructions and warning labels and use it in a way it wasn't intended then, yeah, they could be facing some serious issues. But that could be said about any number of products. How nanny state do we want to get? Aside from the fact that you can't feasibly get air into this thing I think it would be a really cool idea for snorkelers looking to stay under more than 30 seconds at a time.
@@suburbanhobbyist2752 The issue is that relative pressure changes are most intense and dangerous at the lowest depths, so anything deeper than a swimming pool starts to be dangerous. This device lets an uncertified novice take a lung-full at depth and hold it: if some generic free-diver does a their normally safe snorkel dive to 15-30 feet, but takes a full inhale down there to see the pretty fish longer, the shoot to the surface could give them a lung over expansion injury.
Edit: double-checked these numbers with a PADI course director, and he stated that a person could start to harm themselves with such a device inside a swimming pool.
@@suburbanhobbyist2752 the regulation level is a separate issue. If general population started using these pieces of junk then the company would get sued into the next fucking dimension by all the people hurting themselves with it.
Just take a pump and the Scorkl under water and keep refilling it with fresh air effortlessly
too easy my guy
But then she doesn't wear a bikini but rather something like an antique drysuit
Big think
Imagine filling 4500 PSI at 3 atmospheres or more and bringing it to the surface. Mini nuke? :>
Please i hope this is a joke
I´m a certified Master Diver and this is a very good explained video. Just a clarification, as you correctly put it in your graphic 20 mts deep is 3 atm pressure, you add 1 atm every 10 mts. but you need to consider 1 atm at surface level. 9:00 Then is the diver in 100mts deep, there for, it is not at 10 atm it is at 11 atm. Almost 11 bar if the conversion rate is 0.987 atm = 1 bar.
Holy shit...even thinking of using that should come with a free Darwin award.
This is evidence enough as to why democracy is not a good idea. Most of these people have a right to vote... So many retards in this world makes me feel very uneasy about the future. I'm glad they lost their money, hopefully they learnt their lesson.
@@PureFilth23 so.. go facist?
This is going to get someone killed
@@Audacity_69 since when is fasicm a form of government?
This thing will be banned in most countries as soon as it is released.
Seriously, anyone with an entry level Scuba-certification can tell why this products is straight up insane.
Owo is that mahks stirnerr
Nothing insane about these at all. Plenty of divers use these all the time. They’re safe for shallow water diving (3-5 m), as long as you know not to hold breath when surfacing.
Im an open water diver, and this is pretty mild. Its really easy fir me to use my pressure pump for this
Actually not. I am an OWD as well and as long as you don't keep the pressure in your lungs intentionally there is just about no danger. just exhale while ascending and you'll be fine. Is it still bullshit? HELL YEAH IT IS! Scuba compressors are expensive and tanks have 10 liters of volume for a reason!
@luigi mario in the time you can be underwater with this, you can't get decompression sickness, and lung overexpansion isn't a problem with a little common sense as I explained above. I haven't heard about mold growth in scuba tanks but I think they can't survive long because they don't have a lot of nutrients in there. The oil in the air also isn't that critical. I mean smokers contaminate their lungs way worse and they also don't die instantly.
Now don't get me wrong, diving without proper training and equipment by far isn't a good idea. What I'm saying is that you don't just instantly die from using such products. They do work despite being dangerous.
However in a world in which you can get sued for choking hazards it is strange that this thing is allowed to be sold
Yeah, yeah. Imma keep diving in the local pool. No gear.
As a diver since 1980, 3 meters with a breath of tank air at ambient pressure will KILL you. A mere 3 FEET (less than a meter) will cause embolism that can kill you.
Also, at 30 meters the pressure in your lungs is equal to the ambient pressure.
AND
Ascending from 100 feet or more is absolutely easy without ANY breaths from a tank and HAVE TO exhale the entire way up or die while traveling at no faster than your bubbles because the air will continue to expand all the way up. Dive courses (at least when I was certified) required an ascent from 60 feet.
The only concerns are:
1) the bends - do not dive into decompression ranges.
2) overhead instructions
3) entanglement
As a PADI certified dive-master, I approve of this video :)
Thanks Thunderfoot!
As a PADI A-OWD I cringed like hell during the first minute of the video. This is going to kill people if actually sold, which it won't if the scammers are smart enough.
Besides being dangerous I can't believe this is any fun....opinion of PADI certified diver.
@@iaov True, if I have the option of breathing out of a bike tire 5 times underwater after pumping like a madman for 30 minutes.. No thanks, I'd much rather hold my breath.
@@rusher2937 I was just thinking that too. Even just minor problems with people because they are not trained. I can imagine now someone being 15m down and running out of air, so they just swim up holding their breath... Oh dear
@@ChapMandemZz Even if they let go of the air, the nitrogen in blood when they get to the surface is gonna fuck them up. Definitely a very bad idea
This episode on Thunderf00t's "What Grinds My Gears in science!" lol
The science is mostly missing from this marketing wank.
@@dimitar4y You're smart, a video in which thunderf00t debunks shit science must not have any science. Assuming I'm the autist here who watched the video.
@@JacobJustIts
> shit science
To quote Pentti: The science is mostly missing from this marketing wank.
@@dimitar4y Hence, my point by saying it's grinding his gears, because it's not real science he's debunking with real science. Are you really that shallow it flew right over your head?
@@dimitar4y It's not pusedoscience, it's science it's just not plausible, doesn't mean it's not science. Your the stubborn idiot who thinks using the exact term you assume should be used according to the scenario that benefits you. Smart again. I'm used to people like you.
As a qualified PADI open water diver, the fact they are trying to push this as a beach toy is terrifying. I have no doubts that if this product never comes out, then lives will have been saved.
@wil edge Honestly no. The part where T.Foot talks about compressed air expanding in the lungs could *easily* burst a lung even coming up from the shallow depth of a swimming pool.
Compressed air is never a toy, *especially* if you're breathing it.
@wil edge You're way better off saving up and taking a scuba diving course if it's something that interests you. Many diving centers will give free trial scuba dives in a local pool to let you try it out too.
Plus it's not as expensive as you'd think (around $400). I've always rented my scuba gear too which saved me that cost. You only need to go all out and buy your own stuff if it's gonna become your main hobby.
Let the stupid people die...
@@mizz1414 Yeah but then the government will just ban scuba diving because retards are a protected class.
Perhaps they could run it on pure oxygen to make it safer :)
Reading former navy and pararescue personell talk about how dangerous the government funded "Spare Air" system was/is, as much as it is a useful emergency survival tool, just makes me concerned that the government or the FCC didnt step in and shut it down, like it looks so cheap and flimsy, i feel like wirh how dangerous scuba diving can be without proper training (and even with proper training, great divers have died tragically from accidents and simple mistakes at bad times).
I feel like Kickstarter/Indigogo etc should be heavily regulating products like this and holding them to a higher standard of safety, or placing a notice on the page that kickstarter/indiegogo cannot guarentee the safety or quality of this project's product.
Certified, redundant systems, mandatory training and health checkups, all in order to keep you alive in a hostile environment. Diving is NO JOKE.
I went diving in a pool and forgot to pop my ears and that was a big fucking mistake I my ears were killing me after
@@jameson1239 Oh yes, my personal fave is 'slightly stuffy nose' leading to sinus rupture upon ascent. There's definitely way more ways to die than to survive when it comes to diving.
at 0:03 -> "WHAT?"
Basically, as soon as I saw the tire air pump...
These little cannisters are used in military (at least in NAVY) for emergency egress - they only last 2-3 mins and are solely meant to get you to an actual breathing apparatus.
We have them in our vehicles in case we pulled an unplanned rollover drill into a canal for some impromptu drown-proofing training.
I mean, if you're stuck in ten feet of water, they're enough to get out of the upended vehicle... assuming some chucklefuck hasn't emptied it out, and your gear hasn't trapped you.
Yes but they are pre-filled with a machine, not hand pumped on scene. (that rhymed). He mentions that you can, and have been able to for years, buy similar pre-filled canisters commercially.. But even they can be a false sense of security if someone thinks they can spend 10 mins ascending on 3 mins of Spare Air
Don't helo pliots wear them on their safety vest for water egress?
I'm a diver, and I'm glad you made this video as this thing could definitely lure people into a false sense security.
The Scorkl website does say it's only intended for use at or above 3m, and I can understand how having even just 5 minutes of air is going to be a mind-blowing experience for most people who'd struggle to hold their breath for more than 20 seconds doing the same.
However, even at just 3m, suddenly and unexpectedly sucking the cylinder dry could be very dangerous, especially for anyone with no training or mental preparation in safely ascending from that depth on their final breath.
It doesn't sound very deep, but if someone happily swimming around, exhaled, tried to inhale and suddenly got nothing but a horrible feeling of resistance from the empty cylinder, it would be easy to panic. And given that the pressure gauge is out of sight on the mouthpiece, that's more than likely how most people are going to find out that the cylinder is empty.
Even if you do manage to resist the very natural urge to panic, you've still got to swim up on empty lungs, negatively buoyant and with gravity trying to pull you back down (whilst also remembering to exhale if you do still somehow have air left in your lungs).
I also can't tell if there's a purge valve on the regulator. If not that could be even more dangerous. If you somehow dislodge the mouthpiece or deliberately take it out for some reason, most people would just put it back in and try to breathe from it, and would then get a lungful of water.
And then on top of all that there's the jaw fatigue (which will be bad) and the fact you'll spend far more time re-pressurising the cylinder than you will using it 😂
What a disaster.