Yuji was only in the ghost club because they didn't stay as late as the other clubs. He wanted to be able to get to his grandpa before visiting hours ended. They don't really say explicitly but it's heavily hinted in episode 1
Toji died informing Gojou that his son is gonna get sold to the Zenin family without knowing if Gojou actually did something with that imformation . Him coming back was the means for Toji to get closure it wasnt meaningless because now he learned that his son didnt get sold and is carrying the Fushiguro name .At last he was able to keep his promise to his wife to take care of him even in the last moments of his life him telling that information to Gojou meant something and he realised that, then took his life so that he wouldnt take his son's due to the technique's effect.This was important for Toji's character arc to end it doesnt matter that Megumi didnt recognize it , it really doesnt, what matters is that Toji and the reader know whats happening .Parents on the daily do a lot for their children that they may never know about and there are a lot of parents that make sacrifices behind the scenes what matters is the action .In the end while Toji wasnt the best parent ever he wasnt that bad either that was the reason why he came back and thats what we needed to understand.
Also about the Armin dialogue. I truly believe Armin did not support Eren's choice. When Eren reveals that he kills 80% of humanity, Armin lost his mind. He starts to break down and asks "how could you??". However, I think after the initial horror he recognized that what was going to happen was inevitable. He saw a broken friend, because although Eren did horrible things, he's a 19 year old who went through literal hell. His path was set from the moment he was born. We've established that Armin is a good liar, and also a highly empathetic individual. So in both the manga and the anime, which Isayama actually talks about in an interview, Armin is trying to take that burden. He's trying to make his best bud feel better in his last moments, because nothing is going to change his path. In terms of his friends, I think they all feel the same. They do not agree with what Eren did. They were willing to trade their lives for a better future, and likely if they had the power they would've sacrificed their own lives as well as their friends lives. However, if this were the case then the whole story wouldn't have taken place. In a weird way the villain wins. It's the hero in the story, but given a perspective shift, the villain won.
I love AOT’s ending. Because at first it seems hopeless, but Armin’s whole idea is that we need to hope that someday, there will be peace. And the dog standing by a curious boy, versus Ymir being chased/almost eaten by dogs shows that maybe this time around will be better.
Danny liking Link Click is all I've ever wanted and I'm so fucking PUMPED to see his reaction in real time. This feels like trying to get a friend to watch your favorite show and they finally do and actually enjoy it. I know I had nothing to do with him watching it bc it was a sponsor but this feels like a personal victory for ME specifically.
The reason why Toji killed himself was probably because he was afraid of losing control over his body throughout this arc and just fighting people. So when he realised it was megumi he snapped back, and killed himself so that he wouldn’t harm Megumi again. During both of toji’s deaths his main priority was megumi’s life and safety.
I just figured he did it so he wouldn’t kill his son, because he literally can’t stop (ya know the whole “his fangs are constantly bared towards the strongest” thing)
Megumi got sonned so hard that Toji remembered that’s his actual son. Also shout out to MAPPA for giving JoGOAT such an incredible showing during a curbstomp. They really highlighted just how insanely strong Jogo is while he’s getting clapped by Sukuna; that’s tough to do and deserving of an acknowledgment!
The point of Toji coming back was to conclude his character.. after meeting his son and seeing that he is doing alright, his role in the story was finished. And why should Yuji meet Toji?? they have nothing to do with each other Yuji is not the Messiah why should he fight/save everyone
Not to mention he plays a heavy role in Maki's development later on by making her realize how weak she is. But I guess telling that to an anime only rn is a bit of a spoiler.
toji's return was pure fanservice and just for the "cool" factor, his character had the perfect ending when gojo killed him. There was no point in him seeing megumi, their involvement was nonexistent and no further interaction was necessary.
The AOT Anime ending wasn't even that different from the manga but all of a sudden everyone loves it even though when the manga ended, the hate it got was so bad that it affected the mangaka and he had to apologize. It's funny how everyone switched up on it all of a sudden (not specifically talking about Danny or Nick but the anime community in general)
The community didn't switch anything. Pretentious manga fans with half a brain and vocal minority yet again drove narratives for something that was really well done and never should have received the hate
This just goes to show that the manga community and the anime community for the same series are completely different groups. Additionally for any series, the anime community is bigger than the manga community
On Toji coming back. I believe Toji comes back because Gege wanted his character to come full circle and have a proper conclusion. Throughout the first half of the season Toji puts on an act of indifference. He doesn’t care about his family, old or new, he doesn’t care about his past, the only thing he cares about is the money. However, when Gojo confronts him at the end his reaction is to start fighting even though he has no reason to, he could have easily run away. At that point though he views Gojo as the epitome of the power of the three great house of Jujutsu Sorcery. The very same people who shunned him and from whom he is trying to escape. At the end he realizes he isn’t entirely indifferent and that he is hurt by his family’s shunning and he was trying to prove something. That’s why he’s happy that Megumi isn’t a zenin and ends himself there and then. He got his bit of retribution though his son.
Frieren isn't an Iyashikei, nor is it episodic. You could say that it has that element to it at points, there are chapters where it's quite calm and contemplative or more focused on comedic character intereactions. However, Frieren largely moves between being a character piece, a sensational action anime, an adventure log, and all of them put together depending where you are in the story.
@@OReillytattoo The next big arc is essentially the Frieren version of the Hunter Exam, it'd be a shame that he'd miss it simply because he stopped after... like, three episodes.
There is genuinely nothing that has made me happier than the news that Danny is watching Link Click! I love that anime so much and it is exactly Danny’s demographic!!!! There’s are anime gods and they do listen!
Ultimately, Toji coming back 1) confirms that Megumi has special grade potential to unlock (since Toji went after him instead of the other grade 1 sorcerers), and 2) shows Maki an upper level of ability for her to reach for. So I'd chalk that up to moving characters forward.
I’m pretty sure that the ending of everyone dying in end was not Isayamas plan Nick, he’s talked before about how he had this current ending planned all the way from the beginning and people liked the idea so much he actually felt shoehorned into this ending despite having feelings of wanting to change it multiple times, which in turn made him feel like how eren felt about the plans of the future he saw. Also the paradis being nuked/the cycle repeating was actually such a good idea imo, the city survived its war and erens friends survived because of what happened, if the rumbling didn’t happen paradis would’ve been destroyed earlier and thus our scout regiment would’ve been wiped out without a fight or happy resolution for their story so erens rumbling wasn’t useless.
Also Frieran drops the slice of life about halfway through, so 5 or 6 cranks it up and rod 8-10 have been crazy with slick animation for the fight scenes
Yo if you drop fineren you’re missing out for sure, killing a dragon, killing demons by tricking them into thinking they’re weak mages. Please keep watching its such a great series
@@jayjaay225 oh absolutely it’s such a great series! And it’s has a really amazing way of showing how elves and demons have their different ways of interacting with humans
I absolutely love how nick is just flabbergasted that Danny doesn’t watch the credits and Danny literally just did a FMAB video I believe and he said something like “here’s more show at the end of the show that we couldn’t fit in the earlier running of the show” hahaha.
Saying toji came back for no reason is a really bad take. Non manga spoilers toji came back to save megumi from getting burned by jogo and allowing megumi to introduce something in the plot later down the line. Toji's presence also played a role in makis development later as well. Ik Danny doesn't know this and I'm not blaming him but, its just a bad take.
I mean with the information available to Danny it isn't a bad take. But Nick having read the manga saying that is a bad take. Toji is the entire reason Megumi had to summon [Spoiler] against Nanami's bitch. Which leads to Sukuna vs [Spoiler] which directly leads to Sukuna putting the incident into the Shibuya Incident. Which has MAJOR consequences for the entire cast.
@@whitenobeardI’ll be honest I don’t feel like Toji was needed for that. Couldn’t they have just had the Dagon fight go on for longer and then just have Jogo not show up. You just need Megumi injured. Both him and Maki don’t actually change because of this really
@@whitenobeardHere’s a better way to phrase it. Danny wants immediate results and immediate gratification. If the purpose of doing something isn’t readily apparent then it’s a bad thing in his eyes. “Trust the author” is a phrase that doesn’t exist in his head.
@@oceandragoon3099 Maki literally refences how she wasnt able to move like him even after her powerup, if she didn't have a refrence point she wouldnt even know her full potential. On Megumis side, its him to get closure and still people dont understand that he cared for him, just listen to his words not actions.
I'm sorry the time travel argument you guys are trying to make makes no sense. The way Isayama establishes it isn't "edgy smart", it's logical because it's a paradox. It's a circular timeline which makes perfect sense. Eren had to have his mother get eaten, and let everything happen the way it happened so he could get the power of the titan. If his mom didn't die, Eren wouldn't have had the power to begin with. What's complicated about that? It's like Harry Potter. He saved himself, but where in the timeline does it start? Nobody knows. It's like the concept of the chicken and the egg.
I'm sorry, I know I've commented a lot but I like your stuff, and I just wanted to defend AOT, because it's my favorite and I was really excited to hear about people's interpretation of it. Also, I respect what you guys think absolutely and I'm happy you're even talking about it. Eren is my favorite character of all time. I did not like him season 1-3, I found him very annoying. However that drastically changed in season 4. He was one of the most compelling characters in fiction, even if you hate him. He decided to kill everyone and burn pretty much everything for his friends and get rid pf the titans. That is probably objectively the wrong decision. In a weird way, the King was the most right out of everyone. But you can understand why Eren could not accept that future. A future where the people he loved died. There's so much else to talk about it's insane, but I just wanted to talk about the Mikasa scene. Tbh honest after season 2, it was clear to me that Eren deeply cared about Mikasa. Boys are morons usually when it comes to expressing their love, especially arrogant and prideful boys like Eren. When he spoke to Mikasa he told her to move on. But when he spoke with Armin, his best friend, he fell apart. That checks out. He's a 19 year old with an incredibly heavy burden. He doesn't get to ride out onto the sunset with his friends. He forces himself to kill billions of people, because that's the only way he sees his friends being free of the burden of Eldian blood.The more you think about it, the more tragic it gets. Of course he's going to confide in his brother basically. It's only human that he breaks apart, and to me that makes him a lot more interesting then, oh he just went villain route and didn't care about anything but freedom. That would've been super stupid.
The Toji coming back…I think ends up being more for Maki. Yes, Megumi doesn’t know his dad and doesn’t really gain anything from the fight except him being so worn down that the dude with the pony can take him down and he is forced to release Mahoraga. BUT for the manga readers, we come to learn that that interaction is what Maki learns of what her true potential is, and ultimately helps her reach it.
Link Click is so good, now is the perfect time to get into it since the second season ended a couple weeks ago, episode 5 and 5.5 are some of the only anime content that has made me tear up, the other was violet evergarden
20:00 Yuji joined the occult club because the hours were at better times so he could visit his grandfather. They did need him as a third member to stay a club technically, but he decided on that club specifically so he didn’t have to stay after school for too long. Also, I think the mangaka mentioned that Sukuna never had any children so he has no descendents in the modern day. Which means he and Yuji aren’t related. But you never know with manga/anime, that could be retconned if they wanted so quickly. I hope they don’t though cause it would be way to cliche.
Danny's half baked takes are a great example of how subjective art can be. Even with a formal film degree, dude will miss more points than a stormtrooper.
I would love for him to do a video like how he reference his old content a pod ago. with like the title "things you misunderstood about Aot" and see if he still has that same mindset of what he has now of just forgetting main plot points and leaving it to chance if he remembers.
Lol it's actually comical - he calls it stupid etc, but he clearly doesn't understand it. He even said himself he couldn't string it along watching it. Dude is dense honestly.
Frieren's latest two episodes have been awesome fight scene episodes. It definitely goes back and forth between being slow/slice of life-y but they do have a main quest where they travel through dangerous lands and there are some really awesome action arcs so would recommend giving it a full watch when the season is finished
Isayama had this ending in mind since the beginning. Also Eren gave peace for centuries. I don’t understand why you think that humans would not go back to war after Attack on Titan. But I guess that Code Geass’s solving racism ending is makes much more sense.
Code geass there's an evil empire basically ruling the world since ep.1 Taking it over and turning it into a global dtype of democracy is NOT "solving racism" Code geass is my favorite anime so I always thought Eren was doing a similar thing The AOT ending makes him out to be a complete clown I would have preferred the original Iseyama ending, at least in there he gas a goal and makes sure it gets achieved Like Lelouch did in 2006🙄
@@OctavianAsix fair point, I still find Code Geass’s ending kinda silly. It’s too neat for a series with complex conflicts. Code Geass in general is quite overrated, and it overshadows so much better mecha shows, that it’s hard to really see the praise
@@thomasffrench3639 what?!? Code geass has mecha as a plus, or silver lining to the show Never watched any mech, 0 interest So that I love CG is amazing, to me A very smart MC, as a silver lining Crazy geass power, as a silver lining That Lelouch doesn't use as much as I would🤣🤭👁️SHINE!!😈or even just "become my slave" That's the best deus ex Machina, and it doesn't get used really, until the very end Then the MC pays the cost, has to deal w the morality of killing innocents, to save MORE innocents Unlike Eren who's doing it for like 5 people 🤔 But as you already said yourself CG has complex conflict So no need to belabor the point As for the end, it's important to remember Lelouch is basically Hitler And in our world we can still see the continued power of calling someone a nazi😬 Free Palestinie btw BUT yeah, CG universe has seen the worst and will now TOGETHER walk towards a better future Much like Eren turned back the pendulum by crippling the outside world Lelouch moved it forward by connecting everyone Uniting them again the Evylllllll😈 Damn this kinda long but like I said I looove CG so I have to stand up ALL HAIL LELOUCH
@ 32:45 you mention he is instinctively fighting the strongest, he went for Dagon first and then megumi , the importance could be to show that megumi was the second strongest in that immediate area as Toji just had the will to fight the strongest . Which fall in line with Sakuna being interested in Megumi
Saying eren is weird for saying he wanted mikasa isn’t bad writing. He literally said he was pushing them away. Idk why it’s hard to imagine him admitting to his best friend at that that he really wants mikasa etc. also not everyone can be straightforward with their feelings for ppl. You guys were kinda harsh there
the problem wasn't with his emotional outburst imo. that part was in character because Eren is still an emotional hot headed brat. the problem comes when there was NOTHING hinting at the fact that Eren actually liked Mikasa romantically throughout the whole show. The most we got was him acknowledging Mikasa as a friend. It feels shoehorned in
I’m so glad Danny is enjoying Link Click, I hope it does well on the channel and even if it doesn’t I hope you end up watching all of it because it’s incredible 🥰
It’s funny cause how Danny experienced the ending of AOT is how the manga ending was experienced. As I recall the manga ended the same as the anime did but the post credits stuff didn’t come out until a couple weeks or months after the manga ended.
Theres more to Frieren than meets the eye, her nickname is Frieren “the slayer”. Also not immortal, shes just a lore accurate elf, they live for a stupidly long time. Such an amazing show give it a chance
I was similar with Frerein, but ended up one of my favs for this season. Danny finding his back to "tik tok" was so inspiring for my ocd brain ha. Also, I hear NIck, but if anyone makes a "non- canon rasengan", Nick is probably the only youtuber i trust to rant about it to me.
I was at a friendsgiving last night, someone was like "that new jjk episode", "so good you know those animators havent seen their families in a month", I died for a sec.
I have an issue with you justification. There is only one Founder, Ymir. Eren's power works on Titans only. I believe Eren's clairvoyance was activated after kissing Historia's hand. After he seizes control of Ymir's power, he himself is one with the Founder. Since the the Founding Titan is with another user, Eren has no choice but to make events happen exactly as they are supposed to happen.
I've been binge watching this podcast for the past 2 months and now I'm finally caught up so claps for me that I'm going to be in the current loop now but also tears because now I'll have nothing but painful voids in-between uploads
My favorite part of my morning is listening to this podcast when a new episode comes out please continue being the awesome people you are these podcasts make my morning all the love ❤❤❤
As far as toji is concerned, him coming back essentially just gives him closure. His one regret was he couldnt stick around to make sure his kid escaped the clutches of the zenin clan he hated so much. Once he learned that megumi was a fushiguro, he knew gojo fulfilled his final request, and he was happy, then he killed himself to protect his son one last time. It doesnt serve any other character except toji, but if youre a fan of toji like the author is, you want to see him get that closure
I also want to point out that Eren had the Founding Titan for weeks before they separated so when he first used the power at the end of S2 he briefly touched Dina’s Titan and was able to use the founder’s power for a few minutes after so it can be theorized that he did the same thing when he turned into a colossal
I don't know about saved but the anime made everything more understandable for a lot of people compared to people who were outraged over the manga ending and stuff. And watching the ending just hit me with so many emotions as when I first read the final chapters and still think the ending is good and fitting plus I'm glad I was able to watch/read this series through to the end 😭
I hate this "Eren didn't accomplish anything because Paradis was destroyed anyway" Eren's objective was to turn his friends into heroes and make sure that Marley was the same size as Paradis to prevent a counter attack as Marley would have to recover so it gives time for Armin, Mikasa and others to live a long life. That's all Eren wanted, everything else was a front. Yes it was hazy at moments but Eren literally explains that he was an idiot with power and with the power he had, that was one of the only outcomes he could successfully get were most of his friends and paradis lives for atleast 100+ years. Also why is he complaining about the CGI, it literally looked hand drawn lmfaooo. Hate watching an anime is just confusing and unnecessary.
I love how they think that a story with moral complexity would somehow end with war never coming back. Code Geass has made people think that racism and hatred can be solved by committing suicide.
I've come to just accept vocal minority opinions on things that are widely accepted as amazing. They just happen to fall into the vocal minority or things with AOT
Okay, but that’s just what Code Geass did years before, the reason this is so cool is because of Armin. He basically told Eren that when Eren kills his enemies, all they’ll know is that it’s kill or be killed, and there will be no peace talks, and no one will believe peace is possible. The idea with the dog and the child is that history will repeat itself, but we need to hope it will have a better outcome. Initially, Ymir goes into the tree being chased by dogs. This time though, a child goes into it with a dog by his side. The first one is fear, the second one is curiosity. So hopefully, this time around will be better.
@@sageleaf8962 The Code Geass comparison isn't valid imo. Eren isn't some 200IQ person like Lelouch. Eren was a dumbass who got power and tried to save his friends from war with his limitations.
I personally believe that Season 4 Part 1 was the peak of Attack on Titan, given that I truly enjoyed the political conflict, great writing, and character growth in this area. I will say I was generally relatively let down by the fact that for most of the final season, Eren was acting as the founding titan, and it became more or less a race against the clock to stop the rumbling. I don't think it was executed badly for what it was; I just would have liked more of the political conflict with the yeagerists, the Egyptian military, and the rest of the world. Honestly, I could have watched a whole season with no Titans present, just about the Yeagerist ascent to power, and been on the edge of my seat the entire time. With the larger ending outside of getting very little of this, I think that I liked how the author attempted to handle Eren's character, but I think it ultimately was ruined by the heavy thematic inconsistencies. I actually really liked the line from Eren about how he wanted Mikasa to not move on from him, because, as pathetic as I do find it, I think it serves as a really humanizing moment for Eren as a character. It really sent home the fact that Eren is, at the end of the day, just a troubled 19-year-old kid with too much power, which was really good for him. And I wish they went that route. I wish the entire final season was spent exploring Eren's motivations and philosophy and contrasting them with the motivations and philosophies of the larger cast. I would want Eren to be portrayed as someone who felt like the rumbling was his best option. Also, as for the time travel nonsense, it's my working head canon that it all functions under some weird version of the grandfather paradox similar to how Eren only gained the ability to manipulate his father because he manipulated his father, which we can argue about the logic of that, but I presume it works more or less in the sense that if Eren's mother lived or Bertolt died, it would change the timeline in a way where Eren never got the founding titan's powers, so he would have never changed it, so he was forced to maintain the original timeline, which I think was a missed opportunity to contrast with Eren's ideals of being free. I think as a whole, this ending and final season was wasted potential. The idea that Eren was doing all of this to paint his friends as heroes is a zetsu-level bad twist, which undermines all of the complexity of Eren's beliefs. I would also cut all of the time travel nonsense if it were me and just make the entire final season about Eren and his beliefs contrasting with the greater world around him in a political drama about the politics and ideologies behind the rumbling. In the final episode, Eren would attempt to use the rumbling, and the rest of the cast would attempt to prevent it, leading them all to Mary, where Zeke would be due to plot reasons. A conflict between the Yeagerists and Eldians ensues, with our main characters trying to contain Eren as opposed to killing him. Mikasa would hesitate at a chance to kill Eren, and Eren, due to their hesitation, would get to Zeke and cause the rumbling. Instead of becoming a titan, he would remain, then try to escape Marley, and end up once again coming into conflict with our main cast. Eren would then get a chance to execute one of his friends, but when he saw one of the colossal titans rumbling over a building in Marley, realizing he was both causing what he wanted to destroy and no freer, he was on the day when the colossal titan destroyed the gate. He himself would hesitate and be killed. stopping the rumbling, I'd scale down the ending though; Titans are still around, and it's shown that all the problems between Marley and Eldians don't go away because I think it's unrealistic to say they would if Titans left, but we all know how the current ending turned out in this respect. That's how I would write it, at least.
51:00 I don’t know where Nick got this fact from. Isayama has consistently stated that this was the ending he wanted to go, with Eren trying and failing. He even stated in a recent interview that the way the anime/manga ended was how he envisioned when he first created AOT. Love your content, but unsure where Nick got this fact…
Man gave us a full name Nicholas Connor also i LOVED that 100 meter Sukuna flex that goes on a fuckin flex video of the greatest Sukuna was so unafraid for his life he basically challenged everyone within 100 meters to a race to dodge a meteor
As someone who loved the entirety of AOT and thought everything was perfect I did not expect to be setup for an episode of hate and what’s wrong with it😭
So I've only recently gotten back into anime after years away. Spy x Family hooked me hard. I don't watch any of the anime these boys regularly talk about, just really love this energy. So fun.
Complaining abt Toji coming back "for no reason" is so goofy like yeah so what. Toji's entire presence in the story is "he lived, he served cunt, he died", then "he got resurrected, he served cunt, he died (again)". What is there to be mad about. Ungrateful smh But seriously though just because something doesn't have an effect on the overarching plot doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Toji's internal character arc (him being relieved he didn't pass the Zen'in curse onto Megumi, despite being the one who sold him to the clan) is a satisfying bookend to a complex and tragic little story that stands on its own even if it doesn't interact with the plot at all. Like you miss out on so many little things like that by being obsessed with "the big picture" & dismissing anything that doesn't further the narrative. I will defend "filler" and character-centric narratives to my dying day idc
Also about the "pointless ending". Eren knew his actions would not save the world forever, because that's highly unrealistic. It's been established over and over and over again that the world is a cruel place and humans will always fight no matter what, down to the last man standing. Eren killed 80% of the pop., which resulted in temporary peace, which often occurs after massive war and death. His friends got to live the rest of their lives and they were no longer cursed. Thousands of years later Paradis was destroyed, which makes sense. That is realistic. Leaving it at oh the world is great and peace will prevail, would've been dumb given the point of the show.
Honestly X-men Days of Futures past is what came to mind when explaining the time traveling and changing future. Like Logan was sent to his past consiouness but the "present," or his future, was still continuing as the "past" was going, which was the huge climax of the end of the movie. Also the part about how changing the past isnt a butterfly effect but simply throwing a stone in a river, no matter how many you toss the river still flows in one direction. When you were talking about AOT i kept picturing this movie
Danny’s “So just write it differently” is a strange argument. The seance lady didn’t bring Toji back to kill Dagon, she brought him to take on Sukuna or Gojo since she brought him to the biggest jujutsu sorcerer fight. She thought she would have an upper hand, the fact that Toji took over and then stayed isn’t something she counted on. Calling Toji a Deus ex Machina because he decided not to be on the side of curses and then kill himself again because he doesn’t want to fight his son, which we learn he actually does somewhat care about in Hidden Inventory. Did you forget he kills her first, then he goes for Dagon because it’s the first fight he finds since they’re the closest, he then goes after Megumi, because he thinks he’s a Zenin since he’s using the Ten Shadows. When he learns he’s not a Zenin he stops, because what the fuck does he want to accomplish in this new world? He’s the most narratively convoluted Deus ex Machina I’ve ever heard of, if he wanted a Deus ex machina, Gege could have just used one of the ten shadows, given a stupidly long excuse as for why, and then killed Dagon with Megumi? I guess Danny just wants a completely new story. Sorry, I’m really tired right now, maybe I’m just not making sense or misunderstanding Danny’s point.
Danny’s description of what AOT should have been is just Promised Neverland. In fairly over simplified terms, they find out there’s a group farming humans (making titans) and then create a plot to destroy those people and save the world
I do not like how in the Avatar trailer our water bender siblings look like they are passing. In the show they clearly are darker skin and more native features. But these two could pass as white if you aren't looking closely it is like they are scared to use a minority of darker complexion
Danny has the worst criticisms of Attack on Titan. I feel like his criticisms are what makes the series great, and it is not fake intellectual. Demon Slayer has worse pacing than most shonen I’ve read. Most of the arcs can be condensed into 3 episodes, where that is not the case of Attack on Titan or even Naruto (At least for the manga of Naruto). Also Death Note is the perfect example of fake smart, or at least the fans think of it as smart when it isn’t. Sure it’s a fun anime executed really well, but it has almost no depth. Honestly the more I think about it, the point of the series is that Light is just a mass murder and everything is meaningless, so I would say that the fans think it’s deeper than it really is, and not the story itself. I have nothing against Death Note itself, because it’s very fun, but the culture around it has kinda bothered me.
@@whitenobeard it's mostly to avoid spoilers I think. Nick has shown to be very expressive if ge comments on something Danny says so avoiding a reaction is the best bet
@@Novacore-qb3pj yeah but he does comment and he's very bad about his facial expressions and saying spoilers. But he just went along with what Danny was saying. Like he very well could have made a small comment like "I really wanna tell you, but that would be spoilers" which is what he does. He seems to have just completely forgotten about Toji being the direct cause of one of the biggest moments in Shibuya
@loganmatthews48 And he even suggested that gege could've considered a training arc so the main characters can defeat Toji. It's like one of the most wtf clichéd remedy to a power scaling issue. 🤣
I love your podcast and most of the time your takes, or at least even when I don't agree with your takes they're understandable and well argued. But boy oh boy was this episode frustrating to watch 😂 there's already a million comments about this so I won't add much, but Danny missed the entire point of Toji coming back. And that is coming from someone who ALSO did not like him unaliving himself when I first watched the episode. But to say he had no effect whatsoever and is just plot armour is ridiculous. He's his own character and his arc could only be finished properly by him coming back, meeting his son, and realising he's safe and cared for by gojo and not the zenins, so as one last fatherly act he unalives himself to not off his own son. The only issue I had with that is that imo if toji HAD to fight the strongest person around, he should've gone to sukuna and jogo when he sensed them but I get that story wise toji had to fight megumi because otherwise you're right toji's appearance would not have added much to the story. And it kills me that megumi never realises who toji actually is because it's so heartbreaking but the point of toji was always that he protected megumi but he was never a caring or present father, he always acted in the shadows. So an overly emotional reunion would have felt out of place and toji genuinely did not care that megumi did not recognise him, he just wanted him to be safe. So yea I'm sad toji is gone now but do not put that kind of disrespect on his character development by saying he was unnecessary 😂 As for aot, this one goes to Nick, wdym eren's rumbling accomplished nothing?? It accomplished all that eren ever fought for which is 1. eradicate all titans and 2. give his friends a long peaceful life. What happens 2000 or 20000 years down the line does not matter, he never fought for that. And it's incredibly realistic and poetic that humans would go to war over and over again because yea that's kind of what we do. Eternal peace would have felt like a bad joke of a fairytale. Still enjoyed this episode of the podcast a lot, but i feel very strongly about toji AND the aot ending so I was sad when you did not seem TO quite grasp their true significance 😂
Deus ex machina means God from machine. It originally refers to actors being lowered in via a rope in a stage play and resolving the story. Commonly its more of a previously unexplained story element saving the day. I think the game uses a more literal interpretation of the words.
These AOT takes are wild I’ve never been one to say AOT is number 1 all time or anything but what y’all are saying just feels like reaches to throw negative points at it
the way remember it and took it was that Eren said that he had tried to change thins multiple times but this line of events were the only ones that ended with Ymir ending the titans existence and "ended" Eren's time loop
Yuji was only in the ghost club because they didn't stay as late as the other clubs. He wanted to be able to get to his grandpa before visiting hours ended. They don't really say explicitly but it's heavily hinted in episode 1
I think it's explicity said even.
@ashdaniels2332 he explicitly said he wants to leave early, not that it was for his grampa
it was told to us after the teacher vs yuuji game
Explicitly, nobody cares.
Yuji is the kid in your (insert music class here) because he HAD to take an elective and not because he wanted to.
Frieren is not slice of life. Episode 4 is where you will know the end goal. This is why they released 4 episodes at ones.
Facts
Don't worry, he knows that now
The HARDEST cold opening! “Don’t ever piss to my voice again!” Lmao😅
Toji died informing Gojou that his son is gonna get sold to the Zenin family without knowing if Gojou actually did something with that imformation . Him coming back was the means for Toji to get closure it wasnt meaningless because now he learned that his son didnt get sold and is carrying the Fushiguro name .At last he was able to keep his promise to his wife to take care of him even in the last moments of his life him telling that information to Gojou meant something and he realised that, then took his life so that he wouldnt take his son's due to the technique's effect.This was important for Toji's character arc to end it doesnt matter that Megumi didnt recognize it , it really doesnt, what matters is that Toji and the reader know whats happening .Parents on the daily do a lot for their children that they may never know about and there are a lot of parents that make sacrifices behind the scenes what matters is the action .In the end while Toji wasnt the best parent ever he wasnt that bad either that was the reason why he came back and thats what we needed to understand.
U SPITTIN RN GANG
Also about the Armin dialogue. I truly believe Armin did not support Eren's choice. When Eren reveals that he kills 80% of humanity, Armin lost his mind. He starts to break down and asks "how could you??". However, I think after the initial horror he recognized that what was going to happen was inevitable. He saw a broken friend, because although Eren did horrible things, he's a 19 year old who went through literal hell. His path was set from the moment he was born. We've established that Armin is a good liar, and also a highly empathetic individual. So in both the manga and the anime, which Isayama actually talks about in an interview, Armin is trying to take that burden. He's trying to make his best bud feel better in his last moments, because nothing is going to change his path. In terms of his friends, I think they all feel the same. They do not agree with what Eren did. They were willing to trade their lives for a better future, and likely if they had the power they would've sacrificed their own lives as well as their friends lives. However, if this were the case then the whole story wouldn't have taken place. In a weird way the villain wins. It's the hero in the story, but given a perspective shift, the villain won.
I love AOT’s ending. Because at first it seems hopeless, but Armin’s whole idea is that we need to hope that someday, there will be peace. And the dog standing by a curious boy, versus Ymir being chased/almost eaten by dogs shows that maybe this time around will be better.
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Toji coming back shows everyone including maki what's her potential final form and strength.
Maki is dead
@@kabelomakhanya4748what are you talking about?
@slicerx56 she got torched by jogo
also he HAD to die because Yuki was looking for him and that led her to Geto
Danny liking Link Click is all I've ever wanted and I'm so fucking PUMPED to see his reaction in real time. This feels like trying to get a friend to watch your favorite show and they finally do and actually enjoy it. I know I had nothing to do with him watching it bc it was a sponsor but this feels like a personal victory for ME specifically.
The reason why Toji killed himself was probably because he was afraid of losing control over his body throughout this arc and just fighting people.
So when he realised it was megumi he snapped back, and killed himself so that he wouldn’t harm Megumi again. During both of toji’s deaths his main priority was megumi’s life and safety.
I just figured he did it so he wouldn’t kill his son, because he literally can’t stop (ya know the whole “his fangs are constantly bared towards the strongest” thing)
Megumi got sonned so hard that Toji remembered that’s his actual son.
Also shout out to MAPPA for giving JoGOAT such an incredible showing during a curbstomp. They really highlighted just how insanely strong Jogo is while he’s getting clapped by Sukuna; that’s tough to do and deserving of an acknowledgment!
The point of Toji coming back was to conclude his character.. after meeting his son and seeing that he is doing alright, his role in the story was finished. And why should Yuji meet Toji?? they have nothing to do with each other Yuji is not the Messiah why should he fight/save everyone
Not to mention he plays a heavy role in Maki's development later on by making her realize how weak she is. But I guess telling that to an anime only rn is a bit of a spoiler.
he didn’t say yuuji should meet toji. in fact, he said the opposite lmao
Also he is not a sorcerer so can die without regrets
@@AJ__525 he did imply it at 30:25
toji's return was pure fanservice and just for the "cool" factor, his character had the perfect ending when gojo killed him. There was no point in him seeing megumi, their involvement was nonexistent and no further interaction was necessary.
The AOT Anime ending wasn't even that different from the manga but all of a sudden everyone loves it even though when the manga ended, the hate it got was so bad that it affected the mangaka and he had to apologize. It's funny how everyone switched up on it all of a sudden (not specifically talking about Danny or Nick but the anime community in general)
I felt the same way bro, the manga reception was so bad I thought everyone was gonna hate the anime but maaaaan was I wrong
Maybe manga leader are illiterate
@@Gintoki1725 bad dialogue can be somewhat salvaged with good acting which is probably why people liked it in the anime.
The community didn't switch anything. Pretentious manga fans with half a brain and vocal minority yet again drove narratives for something that was really well done and never should have received the hate
This just goes to show that the manga community and the anime community for the same series are completely different groups. Additionally for any series, the anime community is bigger than the manga community
Yeah Nick forming a complete opinion on Frieren after two episodes is so on brand I can’t even be mad. Keep watching.
On Toji coming back. I believe Toji comes back because Gege wanted his character to come full circle and have a proper conclusion. Throughout the first half of the season Toji puts on an act of indifference. He doesn’t care about his family, old or new, he doesn’t care about his past, the only thing he cares about is the money. However, when Gojo confronts him at the end his reaction is to start fighting even though he has no reason to, he could have easily run away. At that point though he views Gojo as the epitome of the power of the three great house of Jujutsu Sorcery. The very same people who shunned him and from whom he is trying to escape. At the end he realizes he isn’t entirely indifferent and that he is hurt by his family’s shunning and he was trying to prove something. That’s why he’s happy that Megumi isn’t a zenin and ends himself there and then. He got his bit of retribution though his son.
Holy shit sorry for the fucking essay
The fact that Danny and I both said “who cried a river and drowned the whole world” at the exact same time made my entire day 😂🤣
Average Danny double standard when JJK has anime references he goes crazy and hates it but Shangri-la frontier and he loves it
Frieren isn't an Iyashikei, nor is it episodic. You could say that it has that element to it at points, there are chapters where it's quite calm and contemplative or more focused on comedic character intereactions. However, Frieren largely moves between being a character piece, a sensational action anime, an adventure log, and all of them put together depending where you are in the story.
one nick starts learning about the power system, he will love it.
@@OReillytattoo The next big arc is essentially the Frieren version of the Hunter Exam, it'd be a shame that he'd miss it simply because he stopped after... like, three episodes.
There is genuinely nothing that has made me happier than the news that Danny is watching Link Click! I love that anime so much and it is exactly Danny’s demographic!!!! There’s are anime gods and they do listen!
Ultimately, Toji coming back 1) confirms that Megumi has special grade potential to unlock (since Toji went after him instead of the other grade 1 sorcerers), and 2) shows Maki an upper level of ability for her to reach for. So I'd chalk that up to moving characters forward.
Makis dead isn't she😂 jogo torched her
I’m pretty sure that the ending of everyone dying in end was not Isayamas plan Nick, he’s talked before about how he had this current ending planned all the way from the beginning and people liked the idea so much he actually felt shoehorned into this ending despite having feelings of wanting to change it multiple times, which in turn made him feel like how eren felt about the plans of the future he saw. Also the paradis being nuked/the cycle repeating was actually such a good idea imo, the city survived its war and erens friends survived because of what happened, if the rumbling didn’t happen paradis would’ve been destroyed earlier and thus our scout regiment would’ve been wiped out without a fight or happy resolution for their story so erens rumbling wasn’t useless.
Also Frieran drops the slice of life about halfway through, so 5 or 6 cranks it up and rod 8-10 have been crazy with slick animation for the fight scenes
Yo if you drop fineren you’re missing out for sure, killing a dragon, killing demons by tricking them into thinking they’re weak mages. Please keep watching its such a great series
Story of an elf learning the human experience...Im enjoying! thanks for recommending 😊
@@jayjaay225 oh absolutely it’s such a great series! And it’s has a really amazing way of showing how elves and demons have their different ways of interacting with humans
It’s peak fantasy
I absolutely love how nick is just flabbergasted that Danny doesn’t watch the credits and Danny literally just did a FMAB video I believe and he said something like “here’s more show at the end of the show that we couldn’t fit in the earlier running of the show” hahaha.
I just cannot wait for Nick to watch more of Frieren get hyped
Saying toji came back for no reason is a really bad take. Non manga spoilers toji came back to save megumi from getting burned by jogo and allowing megumi to introduce something in the plot later down the line. Toji's presence also played a role in makis development later as well. Ik Danny doesn't know this and I'm not blaming him but, its just a bad take.
I mean with the information available to Danny it isn't a bad take. But Nick having read the manga saying that is a bad take. Toji is the entire reason Megumi had to summon [Spoiler] against Nanami's bitch. Which leads to Sukuna vs [Spoiler] which directly leads to Sukuna putting the incident into the Shibuya Incident. Which has MAJOR consequences for the entire cast.
@@whitenobeardI’ll be honest I don’t feel like Toji was needed for that. Couldn’t they have just had the Dagon fight go on for longer and then just have Jogo not show up. You just need Megumi injured. Both him and Maki don’t actually change because of this really
@@whitenobeardHere’s a better way to phrase it. Danny wants immediate results and immediate gratification. If the purpose of doing something isn’t readily apparent then it’s a bad thing in his eyes. “Trust the author” is a phrase that doesn’t exist in his head.
@@AmbivalentRay yeah he's super in the moment, which isn't a good thing with super large overarching story.
@@oceandragoon3099 Maki literally refences how she wasnt able to move like him even after her powerup, if she didn't have a refrence point she wouldnt even know her full potential. On Megumis side, its him to get closure and still people dont understand that he cared for him, just listen to his words not actions.
I'm sorry the time travel argument you guys are trying to make makes no sense. The way Isayama establishes it isn't "edgy smart", it's logical because it's a paradox. It's a circular timeline which makes perfect sense. Eren had to have his mother get eaten, and let everything happen the way it happened so he could get the power of the titan. If his mom didn't die, Eren wouldn't have had the power to begin with. What's complicated about that? It's like Harry Potter. He saved himself, but where in the timeline does it start? Nobody knows. It's like the concept of the chicken and the egg.
I'm sorry, I know I've commented a lot but I like your stuff, and I just wanted to defend AOT, because it's my favorite and I was really excited to hear about people's interpretation of it. Also, I respect what you guys think absolutely and I'm happy you're even talking about it. Eren is my favorite character of all time. I did not like him season 1-3, I found him very annoying. However that drastically changed in season 4. He was one of the most compelling characters in fiction, even if you hate him. He decided to kill everyone and burn pretty much everything for his friends and get rid pf the titans. That is probably objectively the wrong decision. In a weird way, the King was the most right out of everyone. But you can understand why Eren could not accept that future. A future where the people he loved died. There's so much else to talk about it's insane, but I just wanted to talk about the Mikasa scene. Tbh honest after season 2, it was clear to me that Eren deeply cared about Mikasa. Boys are morons usually when it comes to expressing their love, especially arrogant and prideful boys like Eren. When he spoke to Mikasa he told her to move on. But when he spoke with Armin, his best friend, he fell apart. That checks out. He's a 19 year old with an incredibly heavy burden. He doesn't get to ride out onto the sunset with his friends. He forces himself to kill billions of people, because that's the only way he sees his friends being free of the burden of Eldian blood.The more you think about it, the more tragic it gets. Of course he's going to confide in his brother basically. It's only human that he breaks apart, and to me that makes him a lot more interesting then, oh he just went villain route and didn't care about anything but freedom. That would've been super stupid.
The Toji coming back…I think ends up being more for Maki. Yes, Megumi doesn’t know his dad and doesn’t really gain anything from the fight except him being so worn down that the dude with the pony can take him down and he is forced to release Mahoraga.
BUT for the manga readers, we come to learn that that interaction is what Maki learns of what her true potential is, and ultimately helps her reach it.
I love that there's a glittery Yusuke on your shirt.
Link Click is so good, now is the perfect time to get into it since the second season ended a couple weeks ago, episode 5 and 5.5 are some of the only anime content that has made me tear up, the other was violet evergarden
Ooo I’m so glad! I didnt find 5 that sad, but I love it regardless (TGCF/Danmei has made me more invested when it’s longer 😅)
20:00 Yuji joined the occult club because the hours were at better times so he could visit his grandfather. They did need him as a third member to stay a club technically, but he decided on that club specifically so he didn’t have to stay after school for too long.
Also, I think the mangaka mentioned that Sukuna never had any children so he has no descendents in the modern day. Which means he and Yuji aren’t related. But you never know with manga/anime, that could be retconned if they wanted so quickly. I hope they don’t though cause it would be way to cliche.
Danny's half baked takes are a great example of how subjective art can be. Even with a formal film degree, dude will miss more points than a stormtrooper.
I would love for him to do a video like how he reference his old content a pod ago. with like the title "things you misunderstood about Aot" and see if he still has that same mindset of what he has now of just forgetting main plot points and leaving it to chance if he remembers.
Lol it's actually comical - he calls it stupid etc, but he clearly doesn't understand it. He even said himself he couldn't string it along watching it. Dude is dense honestly.
I'm so freakin' Happy that I decided to Check out this Channel..! ❤️
Been listening weekly for the past 3 episodes and I’m absolutely a fan and this has quickly become my favorite pod.
Frieren's latest two episodes have been awesome fight scene episodes. It definitely goes back and forth between being slow/slice of life-y but they do have a main quest where they travel through dangerous lands and there are some really awesome action arcs so would recommend giving it a full watch when the season is finished
I love this podcast but the takes on AOT genuinely infuriate me holy shit
Both of them were pretty godawful, but it’s okay because they watch so many animes, I’d be scared if they *did* know every fact/scene in a show
"nanamis cockholster" made me scream lol. i love how the fandom just relegated him to being nanami's concubine
Isayama had this ending in mind since the beginning. Also Eren gave peace for centuries. I don’t understand why you think that humans would not go back to war after Attack on Titan. But I guess that Code Geass’s solving racism ending is makes much more sense.
Isayama got told just a few weeks before the distrust he should and could not do that. They actually said that twice in a row.
Ending not distrust.
Code geass there's an evil empire basically ruling the world since ep.1
Taking it over and turning it into a global dtype of democracy is NOT "solving racism"
Code geass is my favorite anime so I always thought Eren was doing a similar thing
The AOT ending makes him out to be a complete clown
I would have preferred the original Iseyama ending, at least in there he gas a goal and makes sure it gets achieved
Like Lelouch did in 2006🙄
@@OctavianAsix fair point, I still find Code Geass’s ending kinda silly. It’s too neat for a series with complex conflicts. Code Geass in general is quite overrated, and it overshadows so much better mecha shows, that it’s hard to really see the praise
@@thomasffrench3639 what?!? Code geass has mecha as a plus, or silver lining to the show
Never watched any mech, 0 interest
So that I love CG is amazing, to me
A very smart MC, as a silver lining
Crazy geass power, as a silver lining
That Lelouch doesn't use as much as I would🤣🤭👁️SHINE!!😈or even just "become my slave"
That's the best deus ex Machina, and it doesn't get used really, until the very end
Then the MC pays the cost, has to deal w the morality of killing innocents, to save MORE innocents
Unlike Eren who's doing it for like 5 people 🤔
But as you already said yourself CG has complex conflict
So no need to belabor the point
As for the end, it's important to remember Lelouch is basically Hitler
And in our world we can still see the continued power of calling someone a nazi😬
Free Palestinie btw
BUT yeah, CG universe has seen the worst and will now TOGETHER walk towards a better future
Much like Eren turned back the pendulum by crippling the outside world
Lelouch moved it forward by connecting everyone
Uniting them again the Evylllllll😈
Damn this kinda long but like I said I looove CG so I have to stand up
ALL HAIL LELOUCH
@ 32:45 you mention he is instinctively fighting the strongest, he went for Dagon first and then megumi , the importance could be to show that megumi was the second strongest in that immediate area as Toji just had the will to fight the strongest . Which fall in line with Sakuna being interested in Megumi
Saying eren is weird for saying he wanted mikasa isn’t bad writing. He literally said he was pushing them away. Idk why it’s hard to imagine him admitting to his best friend at that that he really wants mikasa etc. also not everyone can be straightforward with their feelings for ppl. You guys were kinda harsh there
the problem wasn't with his emotional outburst imo. that part was in character because Eren is still an emotional hot headed brat. the problem comes when there was NOTHING hinting at the fact that Eren actually liked Mikasa romantically throughout the whole show. The most we got was him acknowledging Mikasa as a friend. It feels shoehorned in
I’m so glad Danny is enjoying Link Click, I hope it does well on the channel and even if it doesn’t I hope you end up watching all of it because it’s incredible 🥰
It’s funny cause how Danny experienced the ending of AOT is how the manga ending was experienced. As I recall the manga ended the same as the anime did but the post credits stuff didn’t come out until a couple weeks or months after the manga ended.
1:47:27 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I love that Danny said it twice to make sure it landed
Theres more to Frieren than meets the eye, her nickname is Frieren “the slayer”. Also not immortal, shes just a lore accurate elf, they live for a stupidly long time. Such an amazing show give it a chance
I was similar with Frerein, but ended up one of my favs for this season. Danny finding his back to "tik tok" was so inspiring for my ocd brain ha. Also, I hear NIck, but if anyone makes a "non- canon rasengan", Nick is probably the only youtuber i trust to rant about it to me.
I was at a friendsgiving last night, someone was like "that new jjk episode", "so good you know those animators havent seen their families in a month", I died for a sec.
This episode is literally animated by one of the animators that worked on Mob Psycho literally one of the best episodes
Keep watching Frieren. You won’t regret it. It does have a goal and action.
I have an issue with you justification. There is only one Founder, Ymir. Eren's power works on Titans only. I believe Eren's clairvoyance was activated after kissing Historia's hand. After he seizes control of Ymir's power, he himself is one with the Founder. Since the the Founding Titan is with another user, Eren has no choice but to make events happen exactly as they are supposed to happen.
I've been binge watching this podcast for the past 2 months and now I'm finally caught up so claps for me that I'm going to be in the current loop now but also tears because now I'll have nothing but painful voids in-between uploads
SO EXCITED FOR DANNYS LINKCLICK REACTION VIDEOS!!!!!
I NEED ITTTT
Happy Danny started link clink. It gets my vote for most underrated anime of 2023
My favorite part of my morning is listening to this podcast when a new episode comes out please continue being the awesome people you are these podcasts make my morning all the love ❤❤❤
As far as toji is concerned, him coming back essentially just gives him closure. His one regret was he couldnt stick around to make sure his kid escaped the clutches of the zenin clan he hated so much. Once he learned that megumi was a fushiguro, he knew gojo fulfilled his final request, and he was happy, then he killed himself to protect his son one last time. It doesnt serve any other character except toji, but if youre a fan of toji like the author is, you want to see him get that closure
Also, as a side note, toji coming back and only serving his own self interest then dipping once he was satisfied is very in-character
I also want to point out that Eren had the Founding Titan for weeks before they separated so when he first used the power at the end of S2 he briefly touched Dina’s Titan and was able to use the founder’s power for a few minutes after so it can be theorized that he did the same thing when he turned into a colossal
no its because ymir gave the titan power to eren
keep in mind lol ymir can do that
I don't know about saved but the anime made everything more understandable for a lot of people compared to people who were outraged over the manga ending and stuff. And watching the ending just hit me with so many emotions as when I first read the final chapters and still think the ending is good and fitting plus I'm glad I was able to watch/read this series through to the end 😭
58:18 🤣🤣🤣 the way he said that
I hate this "Eren didn't accomplish anything because Paradis was destroyed anyway" Eren's objective was to turn his friends into heroes and make sure that Marley was the same size as Paradis to prevent a counter attack as Marley would have to recover so it gives time for Armin, Mikasa and others to live a long life. That's all Eren wanted, everything else was a front. Yes it was hazy at moments but Eren literally explains that he was an idiot with power and with the power he had, that was one of the only outcomes he could successfully get were most of his friends and paradis lives for atleast 100+ years.
Also why is he complaining about the CGI, it literally looked hand drawn lmfaooo.
Hate watching an anime is just confusing and unnecessary.
I love how they think that a story with moral complexity would somehow end with war never coming back. Code Geass has made people think that racism and hatred can be solved by committing suicide.
I've come to just accept vocal minority opinions on things that are widely accepted as amazing. They just happen to fall into the vocal minority or things with AOT
Okay, but that’s just what Code Geass did years before, the reason this is so cool is because of Armin. He basically told Eren that when Eren kills his enemies, all they’ll know is that it’s kill or be killed, and there will be no peace talks, and no one will believe peace is possible.
The idea with the dog and the child is that history will repeat itself, but we need to hope it will have a better outcome. Initially, Ymir goes into the tree being chased by dogs. This time though, a child goes into it with a dog by his side. The first one is fear, the second one is curiosity. So hopefully, this time around will be better.
@@thomasffrench3639Don’t hate on my boy Code Geass. Still, AOT’s ending was a better take on the concept
@@sageleaf8962 The Code Geass comparison isn't valid imo. Eren isn't some 200IQ person like Lelouch. Eren was a dumbass who got power and tried to save his friends from war with his limitations.
I personally believe that Season 4 Part 1 was the peak of Attack on Titan, given that I truly enjoyed the political conflict, great writing, and character growth in this area. I will say I was generally relatively let down by the fact that for most of the final season, Eren was acting as the founding titan, and it became more or less a race against the clock to stop the rumbling. I don't think it was executed badly for what it was; I just would have liked more of the political conflict with the yeagerists, the Egyptian military, and the rest of the world. Honestly, I could have watched a whole season with no Titans present, just about the Yeagerist ascent to power, and been on the edge of my seat the entire time.
With the larger ending outside of getting very little of this, I think that I liked how the author attempted to handle Eren's character, but I think it ultimately was ruined by the heavy thematic inconsistencies. I actually really liked the line from Eren about how he wanted Mikasa to not move on from him, because, as pathetic as I do find it, I think it serves as a really humanizing moment for Eren as a character. It really sent home the fact that Eren is, at the end of the day, just a troubled 19-year-old kid with too much power, which was really good for him. And I wish they went that route. I wish the entire final season was spent exploring Eren's motivations and philosophy and contrasting them with the motivations and philosophies of the larger cast. I would want Eren to be portrayed as someone who felt like the rumbling was his best option.
Also, as for the time travel nonsense, it's my working head canon that it all functions under some weird version of the grandfather paradox similar to how Eren only gained the ability to manipulate his father because he manipulated his father, which we can argue about the logic of that, but I presume it works more or less in the sense that if Eren's mother lived or Bertolt died, it would change the timeline in a way where Eren never got the founding titan's powers, so he would have never changed it, so he was forced to maintain the original timeline, which I think was a missed opportunity to contrast with Eren's ideals of being free. I think as a whole, this ending and final season was wasted potential. The idea that Eren was doing all of this to paint his friends as heroes is a zetsu-level bad twist, which undermines all of the
complexity of Eren's beliefs. I would also cut all of the time travel nonsense if it were me and just make the entire final season about Eren and his beliefs contrasting with the greater world around him in a political drama about the politics and ideologies behind the rumbling. In the final episode, Eren would attempt to use the rumbling, and the rest of the cast would attempt to prevent it, leading them all to Mary, where Zeke would be due to plot reasons. A conflict between the Yeagerists and Eldians ensues, with our main characters trying to contain Eren as opposed to killing him. Mikasa would hesitate at a chance to kill Eren, and Eren, due to their hesitation, would get to Zeke and cause the rumbling. Instead of becoming a titan, he would remain, then try to escape Marley, and end up once again coming into conflict with our main cast. Eren would then get a chance to execute one of his friends, but when he saw one of the colossal titans rumbling over a building in Marley, realizing he was both causing what he wanted to destroy and no freer, he was on the day when the colossal titan destroyed the gate. He himself would hesitate and be killed. stopping the rumbling, I'd scale down the ending though; Titans are still around, and it's shown that all the problems between Marley and Eldians don't go away because I think it's unrealistic to say they would if Titans left, but we all know how the current ending turned out in this respect. That's how I would write it, at least.
51:00 I don’t know where Nick got this fact from. Isayama has consistently stated that this was the ending he wanted to go, with Eren trying and failing. He even stated in a recent interview that the way the anime/manga ended was how he envisioned when he first created AOT. Love your content, but unsure where Nick got this fact…
It’s a lie manga ending haters made up. He’s either lying himself or was fooled by it
he was fooled @@kamronspencer4910
1:18:14 Who said Ymir is not with him? She literally makes those Titans with the sand.
The second danny said “etsy witches” nick proceeded to clip his mic 6 times in the next 45 seconds 😂😂
Man gave us a full name Nicholas Connor also i LOVED that 100 meter Sukuna flex that goes on a fuckin flex video of the greatest Sukuna was so unafraid for his life he basically challenged everyone within 100 meters to a race to dodge a meteor
I noticed that sukuna said he wasn’t going to reveal his technique to jogo to make it stronger
15:20 BRO THAT FACE FRAME HAD ME BUGGIN
I love that Nick turns into Toad from mario when he's genuinely excited. But sameeeeee ghost club, goth girls & boys, woulda been lit
Ranpo would Love to hear about Danny's Big Donut Energy
As someone who loved the entirety of AOT and thought everything was perfect I did not expect to be setup for an episode of hate and what’s wrong with it😭
So I've only recently gotten back into anime after years away. Spy x Family hooked me hard. I don't watch any of the anime these boys regularly talk about, just really love this energy. So fun.
Ooo slice of life stuff then?
I loved that i.pact frame of Dukuna's face during the fight. Fuckin terrifying.
Complaining abt Toji coming back "for no reason" is so goofy like yeah so what. Toji's entire presence in the story is "he lived, he served cunt, he died", then "he got resurrected, he served cunt, he died (again)". What is there to be mad about. Ungrateful smh
But seriously though just because something doesn't have an effect on the overarching plot doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Toji's internal character arc (him being relieved he didn't pass the Zen'in curse onto Megumi, despite being the one who sold him to the clan) is a satisfying bookend to a complex and tragic little story that stands on its own even if it doesn't interact with the plot at all. Like you miss out on so many little things like that by being obsessed with "the big picture" & dismissing anything that doesn't further the narrative. I will defend "filler" and character-centric narratives to my dying day idc
Also about the "pointless ending". Eren knew his actions would not save the world forever, because that's highly unrealistic. It's been established over and over and over again that the world is a cruel place and humans will always fight no matter what, down to the last man standing. Eren killed 80% of the pop., which resulted in temporary peace, which often occurs after massive war and death. His friends got to live the rest of their lives and they were no longer cursed. Thousands of years later Paradis was destroyed, which makes sense. That is realistic. Leaving it at oh the world is great and peace will prevail, would've been dumb given the point of the show.
Honestly X-men Days of Futures past is what came to mind when explaining the time traveling and changing future. Like Logan was sent to his past consiouness but the "present," or his future, was still continuing as the "past" was going, which was the huge climax of the end of the movie.
Also the part about how changing the past isnt a butterfly effect but simply throwing a stone in a river, no matter how many you toss the river still flows in one direction.
When you were talking about AOT i kept picturing this movie
Nick: (about trees) I feel like I'm in Vietnam again!
Danny: I feel like I'm in the LORAX
I KNEW DANNY WOULD LIKE LINK CLICK!?!?
LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR REACTIONS BTW
2:11:31
YOU DONT REMEBER THE TREES!!!!! lmao that was great.
Danny described Chinese Quantum Leap
Nicks yes to the Etsy witches might be my favorite noise I've heard this year
Danny’s “So just write it differently” is a strange argument. The seance lady didn’t bring Toji back to kill Dagon, she brought him to take on Sukuna or Gojo since she brought him to the biggest jujutsu sorcerer fight. She thought she would have an upper hand, the fact that Toji took over and then stayed isn’t something she counted on. Calling Toji a Deus ex Machina because he decided not to be on the side of curses and then kill himself again because he doesn’t want to fight his son, which we learn he actually does somewhat care about in Hidden Inventory. Did you forget he kills her first, then he goes for Dagon because it’s the first fight he finds since they’re the closest, he then goes after Megumi, because he thinks he’s a Zenin since he’s using the Ten Shadows. When he learns he’s not a Zenin he stops, because what the fuck does he want to accomplish in this new world? He’s the most narratively convoluted Deus ex Machina I’ve ever heard of, if he wanted a Deus ex machina, Gege could have just used one of the ten shadows, given a stupidly long excuse as for why, and then killed Dagon with Megumi? I guess Danny just wants a completely new story.
Sorry, I’m really tired right now, maybe I’m just not making sense or misunderstanding Danny’s point.
17:40 need that “yes” on the soundboard
Danny’s description of what AOT should have been is just Promised Neverland. In fairly over simplified terms, they find out there’s a group farming humans (making titans) and then create a plot to destroy those people and save the world
oh i hope when the link click vids come out it performs well so he does the whole show its SO good!!!!
I do not like how in the Avatar trailer our water bender siblings look like they are passing. In the show they clearly are darker skin and more native features. But these two could pass as white if you aren't looking closely it is like they are scared to use a minority of darker complexion
Deus ex Machina literally translates as “god from the machine.” Danny described it pretty well.
Danny has the worst criticisms of Attack on Titan. I feel like his criticisms are what makes the series great, and it is not fake intellectual.
Demon Slayer has worse pacing than most shonen I’ve read. Most of the arcs can be condensed into 3 episodes, where that is not the case of Attack on Titan or even Naruto (At least for the manga of Naruto).
Also Death Note is the perfect example of fake smart, or at least the fans think of it as smart when it isn’t. Sure it’s a fun anime executed really well, but it has almost no depth. Honestly the more I think about it, the point of the series is that Light is just a mass murder and everything is meaningless, so I would say that the fans think it’s deeper than it really is, and not the story itself. I have nothing against Death Note itself, because it’s very fun, but the culture around it has kinda bothered me.
weren't you that one guy who was defending season 3 in that one Trash Taste video tho?
It’s impossible to listen to you guys while working out lmao I keep cracking up and dropping my weights
Omgggg Link click i lovee this animeee im so happy that Danny is going to do videos on it . Its soo good ❤❤❤
What was so bad about SNK manga ending? All it needed was elaboration on how Armin, and Zeke turn the tide and Armin and Eren's conversation.
I'm starting to believe that Danny really has a poor understanding of JJK. What a poor take on Toji's death.
Danny quite literally knows nothing about what's to come because of Toji. Nick however does so Nick going along with Danny is insane.
@@whitenobeard it's mostly to avoid spoilers I think. Nick has shown to be very expressive if ge comments on something Danny says so avoiding a reaction is the best bet
@@Novacore-qb3pj yeah but he does comment and he's very bad about his facial expressions and saying spoilers. But he just went along with what Danny was saying. Like he very well could have made a small comment like "I really wanna tell you, but that would be spoilers" which is what he does. He seems to have just completely forgotten about Toji being the direct cause of one of the biggest moments in Shibuya
And they explain pretty much every take Danny has gotten wrong in the anime!! I think he need to watch dub if he’s not taking in the sub information
@loganmatthews48 And he even suggested that gege could've considered a training arc so the main characters can defeat Toji. It's like one of the most wtf clichéd remedy to a power scaling issue. 🤣
Surprised Nick doesn't know that Danny always skips post credit scenes lmao.
Nick & Danny need to talk about One Punch Man on there show next weekend please!
Nick with the Nagasaki stray got me floored😂😂😂
Loving this AOT breakdown
I love your podcast and most of the time your takes, or at least even when I don't agree with your takes they're understandable and well argued. But boy oh boy was this episode frustrating to watch 😂 there's already a million comments about this so I won't add much, but Danny missed the entire point of Toji coming back. And that is coming from someone who ALSO did not like him unaliving himself when I first watched the episode. But to say he had no effect whatsoever and is just plot armour is ridiculous. He's his own character and his arc could only be finished properly by him coming back, meeting his son, and realising he's safe and cared for by gojo and not the zenins, so as one last fatherly act he unalives himself to not off his own son. The only issue I had with that is that imo if toji HAD to fight the strongest person around, he should've gone to sukuna and jogo when he sensed them but I get that story wise toji had to fight megumi because otherwise you're right toji's appearance would not have added much to the story. And it kills me that megumi never realises who toji actually is because it's so heartbreaking but the point of toji was always that he protected megumi but he was never a caring or present father, he always acted in the shadows. So an overly emotional reunion would have felt out of place and toji genuinely did not care that megumi did not recognise him, he just wanted him to be safe. So yea I'm sad toji is gone now but do not put that kind of disrespect on his character development by saying he was unnecessary 😂
As for aot, this one goes to Nick, wdym eren's rumbling accomplished nothing?? It accomplished all that eren ever fought for which is 1. eradicate all titans and 2. give his friends a long peaceful life. What happens 2000 or 20000 years down the line does not matter, he never fought for that. And it's incredibly realistic and poetic that humans would go to war over and over again because yea that's kind of what we do. Eternal peace would have felt like a bad joke of a fairytale.
Still enjoyed this episode of the podcast a lot, but i feel very strongly about toji AND the aot ending so I was sad when you did not seem TO quite grasp their true significance 😂
Love the tree analysis.
Especially the part where it grew legs and beat up Danny
probably became my favourite podcast. i love listening to yapping
Deus ex machina means God from machine. It originally refers to actors being lowered in via a rope in a stage play and resolving the story. Commonly its more of a previously unexplained story element saving the day. I think the game uses a more literal interpretation of the words.
Loved the ending
The Emotional Watcher VS The Critical Watcher
These AOT takes are wild I’ve never been one to say AOT is number 1 all time or anything but what y’all are saying just feels like reaches to throw negative points at it
the way remember it and took it was that Eren said that he had tried to change thins multiple times but this line of events were the only ones that ended with Ymir ending the titans existence and "ended" Eren's time loop
I like to think aot is walking so something greater can run. What that is, we just simply don’t know yet