The Most Profound Moment in Movie History
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- This short segment from Orson Welles' cinematic essay, F for Fake, may be the profoundest moment in cinema history. It is both uniquely moving, as well as stunningly deep philosophically---a truly rare cinematic combination. This clip should be required viewing, not only for every student of cinema, but for everyone who seeks an antidote to the world's increasing descent into cruelty and darkness. Here, Welles achieves the miraculous with amazingly simple means (note the lack of music as an emotional "guide", for example). God created Orson Welles...then broke the mold. Introduced by media psychologist, Dr. James N. Herndon.
"Our songs will all be silenced. But what of it? Go on singing" That beautiful turn of phrase and empowering message always gives me goosebumps.
u left out the best part of it
that's what made me say, "Yes!!"
Imagine him doing "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..."
That would be a moment worthy of that speech
There will Never be another like him. Master of his craft. Orson Welles,Thank you.
the proof that every true genius can not have any other goal in life than pure, decentered humility. Great man.
cant? why? is humility alone the mark of a genius? That can not be what you mean.
@@ericchamberlain9260 800 years ago the Western world did not exist
@@bentodica4325 eh ? He means western civilisation or Latin Christendom
Our songs will all be silenced. But what of it?
Go on singing.
Man only really learns and changes from tragedy. Welles is so much an embodiment of what the voyage of man, his glory, his search for grandeur and his humiliation is about. His voice, one of the most expressive I have ever heard, carries so much meaning that you find yourself drawn into what he is trying to convey. The title of this post may be a bit tough to live up to, but it is indeed a profound moment and a testament to what storytellers can achieve without dazzling camera moves and SFX.
I highly recommend Young Orson. It is a book which follows Wells from birth to the opening of Citizen Kane, attempting to separate fact from the mythology that Wells himself encouraged. The guy was a genius. His accomplishments before even making his trek out to Hollywood are astounding and makes most look like underachievers.
Patrick McGilligan also wrote the best book on Cagney, whom Welles was rhapsodic about...
I’m convinced Orson Welles is the closest thing in our time to a Da Vinci or Michaelangelo: a true renaissance man.
I agree. And if a man of the caliber of John Huston apparently felt similarly about Welles, then albeit the more true.
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More like showman of nth degree. He made audience feel and had sense of immature mischief in grand displays of wit and dignity. Even hating work he was forced to perform by faceless money he was beyond magnificent.
@Nexus Symbiosis I think it’s time for your bedtime. Better have Mommy tuck you in.
Oh I 100% agree with you!!! I would have loved to have met him and talked about the world and art and anything else that popped in not his brilliant brilliant mind.
With advanced film preservation technology, we have the pleasure of savouring Orson Welles as a Shakespearean actor: “Macbeth,” “Othello,” and his crowning achievement (and personal favourite), “Chimes At Midnight.” This is an aspect of his career most shamefully underrated.
You note how the clip lacks any background music to guide emotion. But Welles, going all the way back to his production of "War Of The Worlds" in 1938, knew the music of spoken words themselves. He conducted, rather than directed, the ensemble of actors. This clip is his great solo as a "musician".
yorktown99 Perfectly described.
using no music or sound effect but only a narrator is also manipulating you in a way though because the voice, especially when you talk slow, will immediately sound more "important", no matter what is said
@Daniel Natal
Star Wars is boring.
@Daniel Natal
Check out a Dean Martin "Roast": The subject is James Stuart, Welles takes the Podium, and his Speech is amazingly moving.
Beautifully stated. I fully agree. Thank you.
For me, this is surpassed by his Falstaff in his film “Chimes at Midnight”-perhaps the greatest portrayal ever of one of Shakespeare’s five or six most central human creations.
I love this. The complete lack of any ambient noise or background music deepens the impact of what he is saying, immensely.
" he was some kind of man...what does it matter what you say about people?" Endless biographers have been pondering the enigma of Orson Welles ever since!
Wow - when you said this is possibly the most profound moments in cinema, you were absolutely right!! I’m left dangling in an existential void.
This sort of reminds me of Ozymandias. It just draws a different conclusion from the realisation that we are insignificant.
Rather than mocking man for his futile desire to accomplish and be remembered. It says yes, your attempts are in vain. But keep trying anyway, what else can we do?
I like that!
boundless and bare
, the lone and level sands stretch far away...
Nailed it- thank you! Was thinking similar. It’s not all for naught. Great works like this are a big middle finger to the cold empty universe. And if they don’t last through eternity, then so what. At least humankind made a stand for beauty or God or something greater than the void.
I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, but Well's portrayal of Father Mapple and his sermon on Jonah in John Huston's "Moby Dick" is as sublime and practically forgotten three and a half minutes of artistic accomplishment as I've ever seen.
Tremendous, even by Orson Welles' standard. Once heard, never forgotten, like the man himself, RIP.
This is a dramatic moment and insight that I absolutely love to watch and listen to every time I need an emphatic YES ! to humanity and civilization and going-forth in spite of it all..
thanks for uploading it.
Thanks to the screenwriter who left no signature.
Given the (well-intentioned, respectful) introduction, I had my doubts about this, but given Welles' profundity, I shouldn't have:
"Our songs will all be silenced, but what of it? Go on singing."
Shakespeare could have (perhaps, easily) equaled this, but he could not have surpassed this, and that's paying a compliment to the both of them.
@@julioviloria3289 You are entitled to that opinion.
Orson Welles was a great man - he owned most of Big Sur at one time but made enemies of Gay edgar Hoover and others that made it hard for him to work in the USA and the IRS targeted him to break him. Nobody could break him as he had immense integrity. That was a fine speech from one of my favorite documentaries.
John E. Hoover is THE prime example of someone in American governmental history who had too much power way too long. He had files on Presidents, their relatives, politicians, their relatives and just about every recognisable personality of his era. If you own JFK, Nixon, LBJ., etc...
Only death could remove him. And God took His own sweet time. If there is a god...
Wells' case was brought up once when someone (ahem) asked about him at the Treasury Department conference.
Without discussing Welles exactly, if you are lax about filing ON time the penalty for just that can be 25% of the tax. Then failure to pay penalty is one half percent a month.
Then you're charged interest on the tax and the penalties. This rate has exceeded 20% per year. It can make the rates charged on a credit card seem mild.
If someone gets bad advice HE is responsible for everything he signs.
He can sue the advisor for compensation--- more expense, even if he wins.
Wells might be one of brilliant people who just forgets "trivial" things. Or one so smart he thinks he can get away with anything.
Hoover was a racist, insecure, in-the-closet, and voyeur in charge of the most sophisticated spy facilities of his time. It can happen again.🤔
We're very lucky the right person won in 2020... 😚
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@UCxXSpT1A2VkJOyhxKJ2nFug Oh speaking of spying..isnt that what the Obama admin did to Trump? Haha you fuckin loser, we know Trump won.
“J. Edgar Hoover was the worst public servant in American history” WW2 POW and AG Nicholas Katzenbach.
You are an idiot. Trump won in 2020 too SELF-LOATHING TOOL.
@@georgejuniorleedom4476 ''YOU'' SELF-LOATHING TOOL. But you knew what I meant.
I've watched this film a few times, but not in quite awhile now, this video sent shivers (literally) down my spine. Thanks for the reminder!
"Go on singing."
That's sad and inspiring at the same time.
This should have been that wine commercial he did.
Utterly profound truth.
His voice was like the most beautiful music you have ever heard, and he knew exactly how to use it. Unique man.
I love Welles. If you're just getting into his work, I envy you. Take your time going through his catalog. Make sure you see F FOR FAKE, THE IMMORTAL STORY, THE TRIAL...and I haven't even mentioned any of his greatest movies.
Wells had one of the great speaking voices. I'm not sure when the audiobook industry began but what I'd give to hear him read the great works of literature, both classic and contemporary. I'd love to hear him read either 1984 or Animal Farm. Despite my mixed feelings about audiobooks the best that I have heard were by actors who knew how to bring the text to life. One favourite is Brian Cox reading Heart of Darkness --- another I could imagine Wells reading brilliantly.
Check out Edward E French my friend, often compared to Welles, he has numerous spoken stories here in youtube.
Here, listen: ua-cam.com/video/QfPA-Fk6oLw/v-deo.html
Brian Cox has a beautiful speaking voice, and he's a great actor too. One of the only reasons to see Mel Gibson's "Braveheart", and in "Troy". Cox was Hannibal Lector in Michael Mann's. He also was in a Brit series on several Shakepeare plays. "Julius Caesar" if I recall aright.
correction : in Michael Mann's "Manhunter."
I think he did a Mercury Theater radio production of Heart of Darkness (not an actual recitation of the novel).
Such an incredible talent who is greatly appreciated and missed.
Thank you for posting this. I own the F for Fake DVD and am glad for the opportunity to show this clip to friends online. As far the statement being discussed here,... I find it immensely profound and chilling... but it is essentially a spoken word performance accompanied by a rather rudimentary montage... essentially not cinematic but brilliant none-the-less.
Orson’s “ Chimes at Midnight” is a great film to watch for all Welles fans; he stated that it was his personal favorite of all his films. He remains iconic.
-Just amazingly done, I felt like I was not breathing when listening to this. I miss orson welles.
The more I see of Orson Welles' work, the more I am convinced he was a fine of Ecclesiastes. I am as well...
I come back to this again and again, and each time it's just as profound.
With his enigmatic vocal stylings and love for talk, Orson Welles makes me proud to be from Wisconsin!
That was one of the best movies ive ever seen. Very simple and individual and just fucking brilliant.
I needed to hear this today. Some of us will never have children of our own, yet,
they are all our children…
He never ceases to impress me...
You know, up until now, the most I've seen of Orson Welles (so far) was his cameo in The Muppet Movie but even then, he acted without even trying! His presence alone was commanding! And when he looked at them, you could see in his eyes that the character he was playing could truly see their potential. In a five minute cameo he delivered better acting than I've seen in some full length movies. I'm gonna shut up now and hit him up on Amazon!😆
Fascinating. But then Welles was always a fascinating character. Larger than life in every sense he never failed to intrigue.
I'd never before seen this clip.
Many thanks for sharing.
This gave me chills. What an extraordinary man
It's deeper than that, it's not a plug for religion, it's praise for the passion and accomplishments of a culture. Our personal beliefs, personal faith, and politics are impermanent. The visuals are not showing the church as a testament of Christianity but as a work of art, of something greater than need or pomp. A symbol of lasting humanity. It's beyond "that we will die" and more than "we have made". For all the more aware and intelligent we think we are makes us cynical.
"The premier work of man, perhaps in the whole Western world." When he said that I thought wow, Chartres Cathedral, what a backdrop to show the 1969 Ford Cobra Jet 428. Which is what I initially thought he was talking about and was just using the Cathredral as a lead-in. But then I realized the designer of the 428 had to be known. So it was actually Chartres itself. Very well I thought, still about as good a choice as one could make. It's splendor is hard to surpass, but let's see what it could do against the 428 in the quarter-mile.
"Our engines will one day all be silenced. But what of it? Let not the price of gas and having to get lead additive and octane booster deter us. Go on driving. Maybe the name of the driver doesn't matter, all that much."
This clip has produced a lot of comments, some wise, some deeply not, but if it piques anyone's interest (and how could it not?), they should see it in context, in the semi-documentary, somewhat autobiographical masterpiece "F For Fake" (1975), Welles' first-person guided tour, mostly joyful but sometimes not, of art, fraud, forgery, trickery, Howard Hughes, Picasso, Welles' own career, and the absolute magic of film editing when performed by a master illusionist. It's available on DVD.
1:44 Does he say "poor forked radish"? What does that mean?
It's a phrase from Shakespeare, and is used here as a put-down of man and his endless, pointless folly. I think it appears in Welles's "Chimes at Midnight," his Shakespearean masterpiece. The fuller quotation goes: "Like a man made after supper of a cheese-paring. When naked, he was for all the world like a forked radish, with a head fantastically carved upon it with a knife." As you see, it is a particularly elegant insult.
Very nice. Thanks!
@@orsley9227 specifially, Henry IV, part 2, III.ii, 319-23.
you're welcome.
For the last 13 years I have watch this video
Orson Welles command of the English language is phenomenal
One of the few people, who deserve to be called, genius.
WHAT A WONDERFUL, BRILLIANT ANTIDOTE TO the cruel and rotten, festering nihilism and the endless crassness and stupidity of our Age ! Welles was a modern Shakespeare with drama and cinema. those who have tried to belittle him are like stinky little ants before a warrior with bloodied brow.
Thanks for the upload and the introduction. When I last saw this movie decades ago, my English knowledge wasn't up to really comprehend the depth of these texts. I will have to see this piece again.
The finale: "Maybe a man's name doesn't matter all that much."
What's profound is that Orson went from this to 'Mwaaahaaa the French champagne...'
That definitely had to be a low point in Orson Welles' life. At that stage of his life he was taking any job he could get for "Food Money" as he called it.
The duality of man.
I suspect the latter was his good laugh at the rest of them.
It's fermented in the bottle....
Thanks for this. And also for recalling for me some of his great moments as an actor. As with the moment when Falstaff recognizes that Prince Hal aka King Henry has cast him aside--the whole plot in one shot of Welles' face. Dramatic flair was his ground of being.
Actually the voice dry inside the silence is indeed perfect. This is indeed a great moment!
"Here's to love on my terms: the only terms each of us ever know"
-to Joseph Cotton in, "Citizen Kane".
Somehow you forget that he transformed radio, created new theatre, and at a phone call, stars would leave their plush surrounds in a second to come work for him without pay. Watch his performance as Hank Quinlan in Touch of Evil. He completely disappears. Watch the other performances in that film...especially Dennis Weaver. The whole thing is an enlightened space...occupied by your dreams....Heston's best role...watch the camera moves and choices...Akim Tamiroff's death..a celebration....love.
Sincere--and brave. Who tackles such profundity--and beauty--today?
His reading from the pulpit in Moby Dick is truly magical. Gregory Peck emulated it in the Patrick Stewart version but was no where near as good.
Extraordinary. A thousand thanks for posting this.
Dr.James I applaud you sir,what you said about Orson Welles I couldn't have said it better,my thoughts exactly
It was profound. The ticking clocks of the intro connected to Orsons underlying theme that Time consumes all things was well thought out. His cadence, his depth of meaning, and the undeniable truth that death is vast, leaving behind the wasting monuments of our achievements, should strike one personally awake. We are all meat for the worms, meat for the worms.
Perhaps not THE most profound moment in movie history, but a great moment nonetheless. Welles shows us all how to use introspection and inflection to deliver the greatest emotional impact from the written word.
Out of all his accomplishments.... calling THIS the "profoundest" moment in Welle's lifetime... is preposterous... ABSOLUTELY Preposterous.
It got us all to click on it, though.
THAT was "Mission Accomplished."
@Omar Baligh Gotta love irony, right?
He left an indelible mark on cinematic history... but my fascination with Orson Welles was the HISTORY he lived through in his personal life. He's met Chancelors and Statesmen, Presidents and Prime Ministers... he was friends with FDR and knew Winston Churchill well enough to pull pranks with him. He said once to Merv Griffin that when he was younger he used to take a girl out and pretend it was his birthday and pay the waiter to bring out a cake and sing happy birthday. He shared a birthday with Tyrone Power (May 6) and Tyrone went into a restaurant in February and saw the birthday stunt and gave Orson the dirtiest look Orsen had ever seen on a person in his life. He was married to Rita Hayworth and had an affair with Judy Garland. And the AMAZING stories he would tell of all the people he knew. He could have taught a history class without notes or plans. And yet, he was written off by Hollywood for most of his mid to late career.
One thing I found astounding about Notre Dame, an iconic symbol of France and French culture, was how it deteriorated to such a degree that it caught fire and was nearly destroyed. Apparently the French don’t have the same appreciation of the cathedral as Mr. Welles does.
Most profound moment for me is the ending of Au Hasard Balthazar. This is extraordinary though.
Bresson was a genius as well and Au Hasard Balthazar is my favorite of all his films. That ending was a gut-wrenching tear jerker...all for a donkey.
I named my son Orson, partly because of this exact scene.
You're right about Welles. But he comes from a different time where people were often well read and thoughtful about what they were seeing and experiencing. So many now have no sense or appreciation of history let alone a level of understanding which would even allow an enjoyment for or of what Orson Welles has left us.
During his time he was probably the best interview subject there was. His personal references/experiences connnecting to people like Ernest Hemingway, Winston Churchill, Charles De Gaulle and yes Adolf Hitler, just to name a few are endlessly fascinating. Would have loved to have known him. At the end of the day Welles was one of the true irreplaceable geniuses. If it wasn't for William Randolph Hearst we could have had even more of his work to point to and enjoy.
I have little in the way of education, my IQ if you were kindly disposed, could at best be described as average. Yet even i am astonished at how gormless much of the world has become.
Few of us read books now, apart that is from Facebook, and unfortunately, our lack of knowledge doesn't come with the inate wisdom and charm of humility.
The ignorant are ignorant of their own ignorance and are as bellicose as bull elephants in the musth of their stupidity.
@@connoroleary591 Well said great observation.
@@gregoryphillips3969 thank you!
Ohhhh...touchy.
You obviously read it and have a deep understanding of the message.
I love you.
this is the longest Paul Masson ad yet
“Go on singing” is a fantastic quote.
I heard somewhere that Welles, in this scene, was trying to come to terms with Kael's attempt to downplay Welles' role in the making of Citizen Kane.
Probably the best UA-cam clip in the worrrrrrrrld.
"Our works in stone, in paint, in print, are spared, some of them, for a few decades or a millennium or two, but everything must finally fall in war, or wear away into the ultimate and universal ash - the triumphs, the frauds, the treasures and the fakes. A fact of life: we're going to die. "Be of good heart," cry the dead artists out of the living past. "Our songs will all be silenced, but what of it? Go on singing." Maybe a man's name doesn't matter all that much."
Awesome words. As a song said back in the 1960s:
"you've gotta make your own music
Sing your own special song,
Make your own kind of music even if nobody else sings along."
Be the youth that renders the tallow and makes the candles of maturity.
"We know a remote farm in Lincolnshire, where Mrs. Buckley lives. Every July, peas grow there."
There are those who say God makes us and when we die we are sent back to live and learn more. And it is repeated until we discover why it is done. But ever so often, one will be sent. Someone, only once because they already know why.
I don't believe in that, but if I did; Orsen Welles, I think, would have been one of those one only sent once because he knew why. This is proof of that!
Truth.
a fine service here to humanity
This is it. Well done for pointing it out.
I'm only 19, but I will hardly forget this lesson in all my life. Tank you very much.
You are now 36, how has your life been since writing this comment?
And one can never forget Father Mapple's awe-inspiring sermon in New Bedford. "Shipmates"....he addresses the congregation, in the best-ever film of Moby Dick.
Anyone who looked long enough at Notre-Dame de Chartres would come to the same conculsion, he just simply drew out the words that are the essence of the thought that brought such a work into existence, that one who experienced the place would also experience, if looked deeply and purely enough. Chartres cathedral is made to astonish, to enlighten, Welles remains unoriginal in his observations of it, though he may speak part of its essence and convey its awe, thus better than a mere historian.
"To testify to what we had it in us to accomplish."
In the digital age I suppose a scene like this that questions the craftsmanship of manking and the significance of its beholder is even more relevant than ever, relevant 30 years ago and most certainly now.
It's like the eliot phrase "not fare well, but fare forward voyagers", an invitation to continue amongst the problems of life and history
Best Actor a Renaissance Man mr "Orson Wells" R.I.P. 🙏🌟
Unbelievable to think so deeply on all that surrounding one to see the a world that others choose not to see or ignore or its so vast in its reality only few are cursed to see it for what we and it are.... How beautiful the gifts in others
Bruh Pinky just asked you “what are we gonna do today, Brain?” you ain’t had to go into that much detail
For me it's that bit in Star Wars when Chewy is trying to piece C3PO back together again. Friendship is beautiful man *sniff*
Orson, then walked up to Morgan Freeman, looked him dead in the eye and dropped the mic.
Just listening to this man is inspiring
Excellent. Good choice of clips.
I need to start seeing more Welles films. I've only really got into serious movies in the last year.
Every word he speaks has such deep meanings
What a master
Is this the one where Orson's so hammered he can't advertise the wine?
I could listen with rapt attention to Orson Welles talk for hours about paint drying.
Welles pretends to praise anonymity while filming himself wearing a fancy hat.
He never said he was a saint
The intro is pure Garth Marenghi.
Featuring Matt Berry.
The Orson Welles peas blow up seems to be the basis of Toast of London's recording booth segments.
Can't be a coincidence ...
Only people with an open mind & some intelligence will understand what he's basically saying here. The complex & artistic words he uses to describe life by using the building as a foundation for his philosophical speech makes it more glorious & heartfelt than just using basic words that doesn't give this the depth it deserves. Unfortunately people today don't see the beauty in certain things in life, nor do they stop to think & ponder about life itself or the beauty of history. I see what he means, & it's only profound to the people who can see & understand this clip in a philosophical sense or just generally speaking. There will never be another Orson Welles, & I wouldn't have it any other way. We are blessed to have his legacy in film, audio, & in other forms of media. What a talent, what a unique artist, & a creative genius in every sense of the word. Shakespeare is one of the most beloved authors of all time, but not everyone understands his work. As long as the basic message get across by using a different method that at first seems impossible to grasp, but at the same time are able to understand the point, that to me is the most beautiful, creative, form of art there is. You would think it's a lost art form or just an old/classic style of communication, but I know for a fact that there is no lost art form. If people are ignorant to something they know nothing about, they will never truly appreciate it. Orson Welles is one of my idols & I am grateful for his life & legacy that will forever continue to make this world a little more enjoyable.
And are we to presume that you are one of those rare people with such a mind and intellect that only you can decipher the great wisdom buried within the words of the god that is Orson Welles?
The Id is strong with this one.
r/iamverysmart
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily fromNarodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
He is one of my idols too. I am glad I am not alone.
STUNNING.......
The sandcastle becomes the beach that washes away the sand castle.
To me, Orson Welles is the real "most interesting man in the world". F for Fake is one of the 10 greatest films of all time.