Winspace HYPER D33 Carbon Wheels - Are they any better?
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- This is a first look of the new carbon bicycle wheels from Winspace (Lún Performance): the 2023 Hyper D33's. I will go over the changes from the older models and compare them to my current Hyper 50 wheels.
These wheels have lot's of similarities but a few smal and big changes to the rims, spokes and hubs.
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0:00 Intro
1:00 a first look of the wheels
1:30 NEW 21mm rim options
4:20 better spokes
5:30 hub and lacing of spokes
7:08 Hub body
7:35 spoke pattern
9:20 my plan with these wheels
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Love the videos Jasper! I‘m always inspired to ride and train hard whenever I watch your videos. I’ve been meaning to pick up some cycling fanatics kit!
Awesome man!!🤙🏻🤙🏻
Nice video Jasper. Always like honest opinions. Been missing your vids though. I understand busy life with family and work. I'd watch a simple training ride video. You don't always have to edit them huge.
hey, thanks for the words. its nice to hear you're missing my content. I'm working on some new video's but have only little time. things got busy last few weeks.
I cant just upload random shots, sorry, it needs to be adited properly for me to pass my own quality checks ;)
I am soooo looking forward to seeing you rock this bike in the alps at haute route :)
Can't wait for the footage!
Thanks
Good info for an old cyclist.... I raced in Holland before when i was young...Lived in Nijmegen. I have seen Wheel tec, marc before...man hes good..
been happy with my hypers...no reason to change up but still waiting for your review to understand the differences...good luck on the Haute Route
The differences are there but they are small.
I would not necessarily buy a new set. But maybe if you have the old hyper 50’s eg, the new 33 would be a good addition.
Good stuff Jasper!
Good review sir. Good luck on Haute Route! As a wheelbuilder, I always preferred crossing spokes to touch either over or under the trailing spokes depending on lacing. Always thought they braced one another laterally a bit better. Otherwise you kind of end up with a radially laced rim. Just my opinion of course. I know lots of brands don't contact eachother at the cross.
Does it actually do anything though?
Comparing it to radial spokes is a bit much imo
Looking nice. +20 to bling +20 to prestige
Jasper, I love the way you say "hubs" 😀
Is it different? 🫣😄
@@jasperverkuijl Yes 😉🤪
@@jasperverkuijl Hubs Clubs Dubs Rubs Cubs Pubs Tubs
Sounds like he said hoods
Initially I was looking at the ZIPP 303s but these looks great!
Yeah man, think about it 🤙🏻🔥
The weight of my 38mm previous version is 1420gr total. My new D45 is 646 + 801 = 1447gr total which is an awesome improvement considering the 46+54 rims compared to 38 FR. The 38 was too heavy compared to the 1.2kg competitions. Will be installing them with 25 front + 28 rear tomorrow.
There may always be a lighter option but not sure if that always would be better. (For me since I’m heavy, some parts can be too light and just not strong/durable enough)
Anyway, nice upgrade!!
@@jasperverkuijl Indeed. Heavier but climbs better due to the stiff carbon spokes.
Any update on the D33s? I'm thinking of a pair of D33 too with 28c tires, but some friends have suggest the D45s instead......just a little hesitant about the rear 54mm becoming a sail
It’s about what you want to do with them.
I’ve ridden the old hyper 50’s in all conditions and they where great. I think they are fine in X wind and this won’t be a problem.
Question about vittoria corsa. I got them to. I cant see wich direction they are gonna go. Do you a a direction mark og can you use it both ways?
corsa is not specific in direction
Great review Jasper! I've just purchased a set (D45) for my Road bike! I was wondering if you have an recommendations for tires to use on these awesome wheels.
I’m on 28mm corsa TLR. Works well
@@jasperverkuijl Thank you! I will give them a try.
Did you apply decals to these or were they shipped this way? The white logos are decals right?
The decals where on the wheels. But because I got one of the first sets I could only get the while decals. I think they come with multiple colors? Check the website for that.
Wish i can experience how those premium wheelset feels.
What version is louder btw?
the internals are similar, so is the sound
Great video Jasper! I will purchase a set tomorrow but Im still torn between d33 or d45. How does d33 perform during climb? Is there a big difference in climbing performance from other hyper wheelsets you had before? Hope you can answer this mate, it will help me decide. Thank you!
Hey man,
The d33 will be lighter (total weight) and lighter rim so less moment of inertia. (See more about that on my review of the “old” hypers)
For climbing the 33 will be the best.
Overall the 45 will be a very good choice.
For me there was a year between the climbing event with the old hyper 50’s and the new hyper 33. I’d have to test them side by side to notice the difference tbh
Thank you for the info mate, appreciate that. Subscribing to your channel now.
@@ryubatsoy2268 duuuuudeeee welcome to the channel!!! I’ve got lots of stuff riding on the Winspace hypers by the way (crazy cross country challenge, haute Route Dolomites and more!)
Don’t forget to use that discount when you get the new wheels!🤙🏻🤙🏻 let me know how you like them when they’re in!!
Hi! 🙂 Maybe u could help to decide what brand and which carbon wheels should I get? My rides are ussualy 30-100km with 100-400 meters of total climbs, so pretty flat. I think I should get around 45-50mm deep wheels? I could buy new zipp 303s from local shop for around 700 EU, or it would worth to spend around 1170 eu for Windpace hyper wheels? Or maybe something else? Also prefer louder hub sound as there where i live many pedestrians walking on bike paths and i dont like bells 🙂
If you are not about the pure speed, the hyper d33 will be very good but also the 45.
Nothing them are very similar and i would only recommend a specific one if you are very specific in your demands.
Great set of wheels for the price!
Hey Zasper, very close to buying a set but just wanted to check if the R45 would work ok with 9100 dyra ace brake calipers?
They should do, I had some 28mm wide rims which were fine. I just ordered the R45s
@@ianhaigh9786 i ordered the R45 this morning 👍👊
the exact details of the rim with and rimbrake compatibility is available on the website of winspace I believe.
@@jasperverkuijl thanks Jasper, enjoy your channel 👍
Hi Jasper, what size is this frame? Can it handle big sprints also? Thanks
It’s a 55 but fits me so like a L.
Still need to put it to the torture test, will do that in the coming weeks/months and do a review 👍🏻
how about wheel balance? I got the old one and it's not balance, it feel like a little bumpy on a high speed (idk how to explain it). so I have to add more grams on the wheels, about 15.
Check your tire? I think tires are more out of balance than the wheels. Maybe rotate the tire a bit to change the balance.
everytime my wheel was wobbeling, was because of the tire.
Jasper, I think I might need some help 😀. The last two years I've been building bikes from used frames and selling them for profit - I've now reached a point where I want to upgrade to a good carbon wheelset, but I can't decide whether to go rim or disc. The basic principle is to keep the wheels long term while trading the rest of the bike for profit.
I live in an area with steep hills and I'm not the lightest - 75 kg, so I'm thinking it's better to go disc for the longevity of the rims? The only thing I'm afraid of is the maintenance cost.
Also, what would you pick as the best VALUE wheelset? 2023 Hypers?
Hey dude.
Since the industry is pretty much forcing all cyclist to discbrakes, the answer is easy, discs. Rim brake bike parts will come unavailable at some point and they are worthless too because nobody wants it anymore.
Same reason I built up my Winspace SLC climbing bike with disc groupset.
Best value for money is probably still the “old” hypers but for a small bit extra you will have wider rims which suit wide tires and low tire pressure better so I’d still go for the 2023 hypers 👌🏻
Steep hills is go for the low rim like i have in this video.
The hub parts are all replaceable so you can maintain it forever and keep riding them a long time!
Let me know what you decide!👍🏻👍🏻
Does anyone know when they’ll offer it in black edition?
Maybe in the future? For now these ones are the lightest. The black ones are heavier
are the 2023 hypers center-lock or 6 bolt? I want to buy them but Winspace's own spec.sheet page doesn't mention this important detail haha.
I think it would be Visible on some of yhe shots in this video? It’s center lock
The hubs of most road disc wheelsets use Centerlock.
So. they didn't worked to increase the hub and freehub? I see a lot of people suffering with premature abrasion on freehub o'ring. This is the only reason that I don't order a wheelset to me. Thanks bro
Which o ring?
Only my old hypers with the red body had a plastic ring that wears out. The current generation hub body has wider engagement points and does have this ring. (If we both mean the same..)
saw that problem can be easily resolved just by re lubbing the hubs, don't know for sure
Jasper, would you consider riding gravel with these wheels?
I would consider it. But how rough is the gravel?
It’s beter to use a gravel wheelset with fat tires for that imo
One question, 2020 hypers have ceramic hubs. And 2023 has steel. What difference does that make?
Not sure what you mean, thy hubs are aluminum. The bearings are ceramic
All info is on the website. In general ceramic bearings are more high end than steel and more expensive
All bearings will wear out eventually and are replaceable.
Haute route on a winspace slc2.0 with thise new wheels? please let us know how it goes. Wondering if the old Hypers would be better with 25mm wheels, though quite a bit lighter
It went great!!
Wider internal rim width doesn’t make a tire more aero right?!? It’s just wider so higher cda (surface)
the wheel/tire combination will get more aero because the transition from wheel to tire is more smooth (when they are similar with). So the surface may go up but the drag coefficient will go down making the drag go down.
If you'd use a very narrow tire, you're better off with a narrow rim (like the old hypers). but the wider tire gives less rolilng resistance so in the end the wider rims with wider tires are probably faster on the normal road and the skinny tires with skinny rims are faster on perfect smooth indoor track e.g.
@@jasperverkuijl That makes sense, thanks for clearing it up for me!
@@jasperverkuijl do you think the old 19mm internals are better with 25mm, or the new ones?
@@LoscoeLad both will work but the new ones will be slightly better I think
what do you think. Should I take an additional d45 to my d33? or d33 will be enough? different trips, mountains, across the plains, training.
I would not buy the d45 when you already have the 33… but if you are looking for gains on the flat, higher rims are faster…
But training rides and mountain rides you won’t need it.
Maybe look at the new MEGA wheels, the 45 are lighter than hyper 33 🙌🏻
@@jasperverkuijl Thank you, your opinion is very important! I’m not a professional athlete)), I’m 46, and I try to keep myself in sports shape, I live near the mountains, but there are also flat roads here, and we have a fierce fight with friends for KOMs. Will I be able to show good results on d33? By the way, I now have a Cannondale endurance bike. I get the maximum out of him. We also ride trips of 200-300 km per day.
@@jasperverkuijl d33 are now being delivered to my address, should arrive in a few days. Now I ride aluminum fulcrum racing 5db
maybe add a set of d67 or MEGA 60mm to it for the flats 🔥@@Murad-611
@@jasperverkuijl thank you, I agree, on a flat surface it will be better without a doubt
I wanna see the backpacking vid
Yeah those are ready to render. Just need to work on all the thumbnails and all that stuff so people actually notice when I upload them 😅💀
Nice! What size slc do u ride btw?
55
@@jasperverkuijl Sweet. you'll have to give us a review on how it rides :) Geo is a bit different than I'm used to. I usually ride a 56 but seem to be bt sizes. But leaning towards a 52, as the reach is the most similar to my current bike.
@@swites I found the stack is very low of this bike. I’m a 56 normally (trek or Cannondale) and used the 55.
Check the stack and reach tables.
@@jasperverkuijl Oh yes you're right! A stack of 550 is too low for me. 55 looks a closer fit all round. Thx for the help!
Is this a Winspace SLC 2.0? And theres no review??
Yea it’s the SLC.
Do you want a proper review or an unboxing? I can’t do a review when I have not ridden the bike a lot so working on that 😅
@@jasperverkuijl I‘m waiting!
@@jasperverkuijl a review please
Hey Jesper when full review? :)
Don’t know yet. Got lot of stuff to get done!
And it’s jAsper 🤙🏻😜
@@jasperverkuijl wow sorry for the mistake :) have a great new year bro
that slc looks great, how much does it weight
7,07 with pedals
@@jasperverkuijl That's very light for a road disc bike in this size ! I hope you have fun with this bike
Is Hyper Lun disc model can be converted into QR?i had a frame disc but its still QR..thanks for the info it will really help..
You can ask Winspace directly. I don’t know
I work in a workshop where we sell Winspace products, so I can try and see if the end caps from a rim brake wheelset can be used on its disc brake counterpart when I have free time as I'm quite busy these days.
Mind you, the hub spacing is different for both open and closed dropout formats, although I personally doubt it'd work, like a DT Swiss 240 (non-EXP version), but hey, since you mentioned it, no harm in trying I suppose.
Open dropout disc
Front: 9x100 mm, just like a rim brake front wheel
Rear: 9x135 mm, 5 mm wider than a rim brake rear wheel
Closed dropout disc
Front: 12x100 mm
Rear: 12x142 mm
It's not possible, the end caps between the two versions have different internal diameters.
Rim: 17 mm I.D
Disc: 15 mm I.D
Is the rear hub still loud?
I didn’t even show in the video! How could I forget!?🤦🏼♂️
It’s loud but not crazy
@@jasperverkuijl compared to a dt swiss 240s,louder or not? Maybe you happen to know both...
@@testalino I do own both. It’s quite similar but also very dependent on the grease you put in. Also the sound is different as the dt240 is a ratchet and the Winspace is a spring/pawl system
what is the weight difference between the 2 sets?
Go to their website. Has all the details
It’s 2 different sets so you would compare apples and oranges.
But the difference between the low profile wheels is about 30 grams from the old model to the new.
great honest review. i used to think the same about Winspace and Lun wheels. i bought a pair of disc 50 hypers in November 2021. 1st impressions were so great that in Jan 2022 ordered a second pair. well, my 1st pair never held air for more than 3 days in the front wheel. i blamed it on other possible issues. after i received my second set, i noticed the same thing . front wheel not holding air for more than 2 or 3 days. i tried 3 different brand of tires with the same result. i contacted Winspace and they requested serial numbers and the likes. 3 weeks went by and no feedback from Winspace. i contacted them again and they recommended i replace the valve stem. i tried that and no improvement. after another 2 weeks of emails with Winspace they offered a $200 credit due to the fact that the only solution they could come up with was for me to use the front wheels with inner tubes. i agreed to it. it has been more than 3 weeks now and no refund and no communication from Winspace. i am assuming i have been taken by another chinese manufacturer like many people have. do not be fooled by all the great reviews. people are getting paid to post them.
I’ll pas it on to Winspace. Sorry for your bad experience. My wheels hold their air fine but tubeless wil ALWAYS leak! You need to pump every day!
If you don’t want that, use inner tubes.
Can you please weigh them so we know the real world weight? My wheels are significantly heavier than listed. Thanks.
Currently having the tires on already, I can’t. But I’ll do in the future for a full review.
They probably lost the weight without tuneless tape and valve. Maybe you measured with since they come with those pre-installed?
@@jasperverkuijl When I weigh wheels I don't have tape and valves on them. Straight from the box always. What tires do you have on them? Set up tubeless? Anyway I ordered these just now and will arrive in about 2 weeks. I'll weigh and inform everyone here later.
@@thebespokecyclist3624 I’ve got them tubeless yes. Lightest would be foldable tires with tubolito inners.
Great if you can let us know about the weight. I think it’s would be a waits to pull off the brand new tape just to weight them but be my guest!😉
I don't know, I think my Campagnolo Shamal Carbon wheels look sweeter.
Those look special indeed. Not sure how good a uneven spoke layup like that would be, I never tried.
They are quite a bit heavier than the Winspace d33 too. (250gr more)
Some confusions: sometimes you claim they are 38mm deep, sometimes you claim they are 35mm deep. AFAIK they are 35. It's true that labeling them as 33 does not help. Anyway... what about the promised review? I can't find it, it seems... I'm interested in these wheels.
Yeah if I said 35 and 38 I may just made a mistake. Sorry about that.
Yep i had a review in the planning but didn’t get to it…
No reason to think touching spokes would "help" each other. It's a remnant of the old idea of tying spokes together.
I think Marc (the wheel builder that told me) knows what he’s talking about. I have no expertise in wheel building.
@@jasperverkuijl Very often things like this are "cargo cult". I.e. "we've always done things this way". Without any actual data that it helps or not I'm going to believe that touching being beneficial is BS.
I’m worried when brands start adding years to their products. Like what happens to a buyer who have the “2021” wheels and needs spare parts. Most buyers dont get wheels sponsored. So they need to last more than just 12 months
I got spare parts for my 3 year old hypers recently so dont worry. Its just a release. The hub internal and spokes are the same (except from t shape nipple) and the old hypers are still for sale so they are not extinct or something 😉
They are not easy on the eyes. Weird look. Sad. Disappointed.
That’s personal and that’s ok 🤙🏻 I really like the look 👌🏻