What Happens Now Haiti's a Failed State?
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Amid spiralling violence, deepening insecurity, and domestic and international pressure, Haiti's unelected PM has announced his resignation, following months of unrest and gang violence. In this video, we explore what is likely happening next, and whether Henry's resignation can really lead to peace.
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On the positive side, he resigned. A week ago, my money would have been on him ‘being resigned’.
Sorry this is quite bad think becouse there is almost noboday to be enaught powerfull to replace him from civil stance.only gangs left
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@@domenstrmsek5625well at least the Haitians can choose their people not a US backed puppet. You guys stil don’t understand; Ex Prime minister Henry was illegitimate to lead the country. He was stalling to become president. He’s sole job was to kick start the presidential election but he kept stalling that and the people were tired of him.
I mean he maybe resigned permanently
Everyone keeps saying Haiti's about to collapse, the government's almost gone. No, it _is_ totally gone, Haiti has already collapsed. Civil order is all but gone, Haiti's already a failed state. Why people keep saying "almost" is baffling when it's plainly obvious it already is. To reuse a quote from the video, the table has already been taken.
You misused commas.
Fr, tho. Haiti has been a failed state since, what, 2018? Further? That’s honestly just the first time I really started hearing much about Haiti.
Where? I don't see any obvious comma mistakes.
@@theemries4766 But Conan O'Brien and other celebs told me it was a paradise.
@@ryanpiotr1929 Of course you're not able to detect comma splices. You lack humility.
For some reason I don't think the guy called "Barbeque" will fix everything.
He'll keep the people fed & population down!
Norm MacDonald-esque comment
😂
So I'm confused. Is BBQ sacrificing people to make his county better?
That's racist bro!
Elections in Haiti is not possible right now because of the gangs and genaral instability
And the US & France
@@toyotaprius79I didn’t realize those two were there and would stop elections
the goal of the interim prime minister would be to secure the country just enough to allow for elections.
@@toyotaprius79
always blaming the wypipo for your own failures
@@milibabro chill. Although the US and France have nothing to do with stopping Haitis elections (so idk why he brought them up), don’t even dare try and suggest that they are not at least partially responsible for Haitis current predicament in general. That would just be naive
Haiti collapsed long ago
Has it ever not been collapsed? I know VERY little about the history of the nation, but it used to be a really successful sugar colony, right? The people are free now, but is it really better than Saint Dominique?
@@rynun7620You’re right. You know absolutely nothing about Haiti’s history. Imagine actually thinking one of the most extractive and abusive examples of the already insanely cruel and inhumane system known as the transatlantic slave trade was somehow a “really successful sugar colony”. Really successful for who? You think the slaves, whom the overwhelming majority of Haitians descend from, benefitted from that?
@@riowhi7 womp womp. The french made loads of dosh on the sugar plantations - it was successful. The modern view on the cruelty is of no relevance to this. Obviously it wasn't beneficial to the slaves. Nobody except maybe Ron DeSantis thinks that. There IS money to be made from it however. Why didnt they just seize the means of production and profit off of the ongoing operation? It sounds like they fumbled the bag. Again, i know nothing much of the island. You've not really explained anything by huffing and puffing
@@rynun7620They freed themselfs. But they really probably had no chance when france comes back.
With this fear in mind, they destroyed many things so france dosen't come back. It worked. But then france gave them the super huge debt. I don't know if you know it, but when haiti declared its independence, it was mostly isolated. Being the first black country in America to be free, some countrys didn't really look at it with good eyes, so haity gaining favor to establish good relationship was not do easy. Sorry for my bad english.
@@rynun7620you should educate yourself on the topic then before getting triggered that someone calls you out on your ignorance.
Not only did France achieve a successful Haitian colony by being excessively cruel to the enslaved Haitians for the sake of productivity, but they also deforested Haiti and took other resources as well (slave ships had to bring something back after dropping them off right?). As another comment has already said, upon independence, no Western nation wanted to see Haiti succeed cuz of what the represented, so it got cut off from trade and other things a budding nation needs to prosper. It’s been downhill ever since esp when France hit them with that debt and the world let it happen ofc.
Also your apathy toward the cruelty of slavery and focus on the money part tells me all I need to know about you.
"Collapsed"?
It was never elevated enough to fall.
It was chaos and poverty yesterday, and chaos and poverty today. Nothing has changed.
Facts.
Hawaii - deep state
Haiti - guy named BBQ
You guys aren't too bright. Why is Henry in U.S. territory voluntarily resigning?
There’s a difference between a poor but functional state, which is what Haiti was formerly, and what it is today, which is a failed & non-functioning state
@@coyotelong4349 it wad already a failed state.
There is no difference, except nobody is pretending things are fine anymore.
There is no difference to the people living there. The only thing that changed was your perspective.
Nothing changed for them.
I love everyone in the comments complaining about America and France, and yet are begging for America to intervene now. It’s just like Sudan, it’s been made clear it’s not our problem and no one wants us to intervene anymore
They’re complaining about it because America and France got Haiti into this mess. Crazy that people are demanding that the ones responsible for the mess be the ones that fix it.
you sir are a smart american, when the US step up to help they will accuse them of warcrimes and stealing oil, when they don't help everyone will point their finger at the US like it's their responsibility to begin with. i mean why help people who doesn't want to be helped? 🤷
@@Loli4lyf nah bro it's actually getting ridiculous now, we help, they get mad, we don't help, they still get mad, WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US?!
@@Loli4lyfbecause when the United states intervene its never humanitarian they are definitely taking something.
And France was stealing from their Franco countries militarily forcing them to hand their earnings over to France.
Amazing pronunciation throughout the video!
Except Guy Philippe
I’m sure she studied French
@@Entertainment-or she french with good english speaking
shame about the monotone throughout
U.S. MSM should take note.
Most are horrendous with their harsh/ unpleasant tones, Xs pace of delivery, poor etiquette.
And for shows..
Lecturing questions.
Uncouth interruptions.
TBH a transitional council like this is about the only thing that you can do, you can try to recruit even more representative......but then the council will likely unable to even function. Besides, they still held on to the bottom line, despite many informal control these political group have on various militias and gangs, at least superficially no one explicitly aligned themselves with a gang are allowed a council sit, so there is that.
This does seem like a pretty sensible path to achieveing stability, I can't see what could be done differently to end the violence in a timely manner
By this point though, I fear that the only thing that can be done is let the various gangs in Haiti fight it out until somebody there wants to talk to us.
Nobody in Haiti wants international military intervention, and no country is enthusiastic about sending troops there either
And if anything has been made clear, continuing to try and instal governments from afar, is not a good way to help people. Particularly when the history of intervention is coups and control rather then cooperation.@@dx-ek4vr
@@dx-ek4vr Isnt kenya sending policeman into haiti? Or at least considering?
@@kelvinpang438 It's a UN mission, Kenya is just leading it. And said mission is on hold for now.
I cannot see a situation where all of the gangs will stop terrorizing their own people - pre resignation nor post resignation.
The gangs will cease what they're doing when The U.S. and Caricom agree to stay out of Haiti's political affairs and let the Haitian people decide how the country will be governed.
@@sten9life979 lmao delusional in every conceivable way
@@rafalgan-ganowicz If this was someplace else, some of these "gangs" would be considered revolutionaries or Freedom Fighters. Do you think they're doing this for fun. The corruption in Haiti is egregious! The people are tired and are resorting to drastic measures.
After rereading your original comment you're probably right because the gangs that are funded by the corrupt politicians(the real gangsters) will keep reoccurring.
@@rafalgan-ganowicz After rereading your original comment you're probably right because some of the gangs that are actually funded by the corrupt politicians(the real gangsters) will keep reoccurring.
Haiti is basically a Sub-Saharan African state within the Americas. Leave alone those small island states with little relevance of the Caribbean, if you put major Sub-Saharan African nations with similar population size to compare with Haiti (such as Somalia, Mali, Niger, Togo, DR Congo, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Burkina Faso, etc) you will realise they're no different. This isn't helped by the fact this country is discriminated by both sides, first from the US and France, then by other European nations, and worse is by the fellow Latin American nations (due to its invasion of the Hispanic-dominated Dominican Republic 200 years ago). Haiti is alone and isolated.
It's Congo in the Caribbean without the natural resources
Yes, its unfortunate as in my opinion they have a great early history of being a successful slave revolt. Its a shame that constant hostility has basically plunged them into 3rd world status
Although I agree with your full argument your comparison with certain African countries is quite bad.
Mali is close to 45 times the size of Haiti and DR Congo has more than 8 times the population. Comparing these kind of countries lack compatabilities.
It is hard to compare Haiti with any coountry in the Caribean region because of it's unique history so I get why you looked to Africa. I guess Sierra Leone and Togo are the closest area and population wise. Rwanda is most likely the closest on these requirements.
It was not just an invasion it was a massacre. Of course they are isolated, because they never apologized. Same reason why Japan has a rather weak diplomatic standpoint in south east asia with Korea and China not trusting them
@@jazztymannkoop9974 Rwanda is more stable than most of Africa wise, so it doesn't make comparison count.
BUILD THE WALL!!! Like the Dominican president said at the UN this year:
"Either we fight together to save Haiti or we will fight alone to protect the Dominican Republic."
You can't save people from themselves. That was White Saviour thinking in Africa in the 1900s and White Saviour thinking in Afghanistan and it just doesn't work.
Based.
There’s nothing wrong with what he said. As a Haitian American, I agree with him. We all watching how things went down and many key players just watch as Haiti suffered. My only observation of the matter is that this was all planned.
@@dfaro8453It’s being used to cause instability in the Caribbean and the US is just twiddling it’s thumbs.
Somebody wants this crisis to last.
Our president Luis Abindader is actually speeding up construction, because it is literally a border crisis
I was pleasantly surprised by your French name prononciation. We are not used to hear the French R from a British mouth.
I once pronounced Teirry Henry the British way and got laughed at 😭
@@basedblackbeard4456😂😂😂
She's the polar opposite of that other guy presenting TLDR videos. Who has the uniquely British knack to mispronouncing literally everything. Be it German, Spanish, French, Russian, Chinese or any other language under the sun.
@@miken3963I'll say this now. The British can either roll their R's and bail foreign words and names or they will butcher it to a degree never once foreseeable in world history. It's a matter of a coin flip.
Thanks for not adding background music. Loved that ❤
Now this is the definition of a "State Collapse"
Textbook... 😉
@@freemarley639 Failed State?
@@SimCityEA1989 Collapse. Removed PM on American soil within a day.
back on track? in over 200 years Haiti has never once been "on track"
It doesn’t help that the us has backed like 50 coups
It’s what happens when you rebel from the powers that be and said powers cut you off from trade because they don’t want you to succeed
@@xkaiokenx10no they had trade. Then dessaline chose to comit mass genoside, rape, and forced marriage. Its after that no state wanted too talk
@@xkaiokenx10 it's their choice whether they want to trade or associate with you or not.
It was during much of the latter half of the 19th century to be fair.
Private sector gets a vote but civil society doesn't... Yea this is gonna work out great
Yep. Once again, every interest but actually letting the people decide. The gangs have more popular support the. The US installed government.
This is what happens when gangs become 3rd generation
What?
To be honest, as an American, I don’t want the USA to get involved. Not because I don’t care, but because every time the U.S. gets involved people will just blame us for all the problems. When we don’t help they call us cruel and heartless, but at this point we are just tired. If everything we do is wrong and we don’t help anyone, then let’s just stop trying to help. I hope Haiti gets better, but I don’t want this to be another “it’s all Americas fault.” Situation.
also many of the weaponry is coming from Russia and possibly China via Cuba. Maybe they could ask the Russians to fix their problems. I could imagine the answer.
Iktr
The things we did in Central and Latin America over the last century were definitely our fault.
@@RBzee112 Oh quit it with your self-flagellation. As a South American, and I know it's the same in Central America, politicians and mainly leftists down here love to greatly overstate the doings of the US to cover up for their own incompetence.
@@RBzee112 Which is *precisely* why we need to stay the ungodly fuck away from Haiti, not for our sake but for theirs. At most, we should *only* send in humanitarian aid in the form of clothing, food, and medicine. That's it.
Even if somehow Kenia authorized the deployment of some of its police force to Haiti I don't see how they could do much against the gangs (especially if they all decide to form a grand coalition). The only thing that could properly put order at this point would be a full army intervention and subsequent occupation of the country. But no one wants to commit to that at this point, and I cannot blame them.
Haiti gonna need to find their own Bukele
Besides the fact that Haiti's case is even more extreme. El Salvador at least had armed forces which it could use to fight the gangs
I need people like you to shut up you don’t know anything about Haiti you don’t know any of its history you just see one country and you’re like this country needs to be like that. How about you use your brain what works in one country won’t work in another, this country has a history of authoritarian regimes and you think it’s just gonna come back and fix it all. It’s what got them in the first place. So do us all a favor and shut up nobody needs him in Haiti.
@@markdowding5737 what I'm aiming at is that they need a leader that is gonna get shit done
Even drug lords want to stay away from Haiti.
No they don’t
Don't worry, Conan will put on a shirt saying: "Haiti is STILL great" and go to a luxury resort for a photo shoot. Everything is fine
This is how it's done MAGA, you guys should be taking notes
I love this host. She does an excellent job and I appreciate her proper prononciation of the French names. I suspect she may speak French. Keep up the content. It's much appreciated.
Same thing in Afghanistan, where the Taliban gang ran rampage with their medieval ideology, Haiti is also a gangster state. Albeit, Taliban opted to revert to the medieval, Salafist version of government while Haitian gangs operated the country on their vision of lawlessness seen in Mali and Niger.
They are something special because they have no ideology except power. This will be interesting
No this isnt the same. The taliban are at least a government, albeit an extreme totalitarian one that makes north korea look democratic. These gangs in haiti can't even be described as warlords, since warlords at least try to manage their fiefdoms, they are more comparable to a pre civilisation savage tribe.
Mali and Niger had coups where the military got power with minimal violence. There wasn’t much lawlessness outside the short transition period. Haiti doesn’t even have a functioning military to speak of. What’s happening in Haiti is more similar to the civil conflicts in Sierra Leone and Liberia.
It was Liberia who had a cannibal gang leader called “General Butt Naked” just like BBQ for Haiti
This is why it’s called Blackistan
Has this just become a question if the upcoming council will succeed or fail?
Anyone talking about elections in Haiti right now are just being oblivious fools with their heads in the clouds. Elections require some sort of administrative apparatus to actually conduct them, also some semblance of order and civil society and Haiti has none of those things now. I mean getting basic necessities like, food, fuel and medicine are very difficult for most people as many barely leave their homes to get even those things let alone to come poll up. Also its widely believed Henri likely had something to do with the assassination of the last president so he never was going to be a respected figure in Haiti but at this point without some major foreign military intervention, which is incredibly unlikely, I dont see anything stopping the place from becoming the next 1990 Somalia.
But Henry cancelled the election, whole origin of the uprising.
ikr, im reading all these comments saying "well so long as France and USA allow them to have an election then things can be on track again" like how???? how??? im assuming this will all be done by Haiti with no outside assistance, how? the banks still work? they still have government workers and all the necessary facilities to conduct a free and fair election? who is paying for this election? i dont even know the parties they have in the country, how do we know this wont lead to come kind of fracturing of the country on party lines and garrison community lines? are there any services running? who will keep order or protect what needs to be protected? Haiti is so far gone now that they dont even get to just try and have an election, they have to start at the community level or something. back to 0, basics, to the very fundamentals of how a country is made.
Excellent commentary!
In normal everyday Haiti, Barbeque eats you.
It's free real estate
All-in-all, good video explaining the current situation.
Haiti has been a failed state a long time ago. People in Haiti are surviving and not living. Now Jimmy Barbecue Cherryvier may be the next leader, things will become worse.
He'll just become another corrupt dictator, and when it comes for him to be ousted because of his actions and failure to improve the lives of his people the world will once again blame The West.
Excellent pronunciation of the French names!
Well explained. Thank you
Wait nobody who opposes the Kenyan deployment is allowed on the council and yet the government resulting from the council will have to "invite" the Kenyans? Am I misunderstanding something or does this make absolutely zero sense?
I think the point is less that the Kenyans need an invitation, more than it's kinda difficult to intervene to prop up a government that doesn't exist.
Yep its a classic imperialism 101. Say we will help you choose the leader. Its just got to be someone who already supports our position. Comes after a long line of coups and influence forcing things. Then we ask, why is everyone so against these governments?
Ariel Henry resignation will not mean anything if the foreign powers do not give Haitian a chance to choose their own leaders.
They won't
genuine question but what power would that leader have? what institutions are there? is there much else left to control the island? choose how? will people just listen to him? who will organize the election? who will make it safe and a genuine election? at this point Haiti isnt at the point to vote, theyre starting from 0, community level.
@@joeandrew8752 They have already chosen their leader, that's why Henry cancelled the election.
@@freemarley639 and who is that? who is the leader they chose?
@@joeandrew8752 EDIT: Martine Moise is her name.
I'm driving, googled old PM
Currently working on the border. Keep up to date with this situation please. Hugely underreported
Please more of her reporting over the other guy, love her delivery and tone in coverage
Barbeque is not a gang leader, he is a revolutionist. He wants change. Haiti was so rich and the French has them in tremendous debt. Everyone is getting paid but no reparation for African descendants. That's what these governments are really scared of other countries following Haiti and demanding change. Haiti has enough iridium to become a powerful place again.
Haiti was never rich except when his slaves were worked to death lol. And the debt stopped to be paid in 1883. Going to need to find more recent excuses. Each time haitians move somewhere in a street, that street turns to hell, with insecurity, gangs and drug traffick. There are haitian bureaucrats who can't even read, or who have issues with numerical classification. No wonder it's a failed state.
Love the new host!!
Why don’t they just make the biggest gang their government since it is so bad? Maybe that would be a way of cleaning up a lot of the other gangs? May sound crazy but the situation is pretty hopeless as it is.
France should absolve Haiti’s debt… It’s obvious that it would never be repaid
That money would go a long way towards building a stable, functioning and maybe one day even prosperous state… Provided Haitians can put the right people in charge and finally take the levers of state out of corrupt hands
Haiti already paid that debt about 80 years ago
Who is supposed to be the singular religious observer on the council, in a state like Haiti where there is both Christianity and folk religion?
Maybe they switch at regular intervals?
Maybe as compromise they should pick some Christian priest which at nights also does some voodoo rituals?
I know the DR hates Haiti, but why did they not allow Henry to land there?
Edit: Wait I just realised I answered my own question 💀
Honestly I can understand why DR isn’t too fond with Haiti, especially when you look at the history of the two nations
To be fair, DR's sentiment isn't alone in Latin America. You forget that, while Haitians speak French, a Latin language, it is an African nation culturally. The Haitian invasion of DR is still fresh in all of those Hispanic (such as Mexico, Colombia, Argentina and Peru) and Brazil in the region, many of whom see Haiti as a cancer to their Latino tie. Latin American discrimination against Africans are largely overlooked compared to that of the US and Europe however.
in mexico we dont really think or rememebr that invasion @davidbowie5023
It can cause security issues if the DR allows him to land there, the DR just don't want to have this problem spilled into the country, as they already have a lot of internal problems with crime
@@--julian_ no need for that memory. It's the appearances of the Haitians will do enough to fuel the dislikes. Haitians are Africans, meanwhile Mexicans and most Latinos are mestizos who are unrelated to Africans.
i hope the Dominican republic has good enough border security for all those refugees who will eventually try to leave their own country.
They should assist in the UN intervention more alongside Kenya.
@@dnpjjsure, lets go intervene a country where we are already despised, where most people are ungrateful about every positive single thing we have done for them and even their politicians wanted the international community to impose sanctions against us, even we gave them Juana Mendez, Las Caobas, San Rafael de la Angostura, San Miguel de la Atayala and Hincha, 6200 square kms permanently, still ungrateful, now *YOU* tell me, a Dominican why we should assist in Haiti's intervention? Just for foreign morons in social media keep telling us we are racist or any bs of their minds?
Don't blame the French, they haven't been running the Haiti government for centuries, they just don't have the ability to run a government on their own.
check what happened in haiti in 2004
Yea, they just set them off on an eternally terrible situation, making them pay for their own freedom. But of course, nothing has a lasting effect on stability. Everything happens in a vaccume.
France forced haiti to pay reparations to the former slave owners until 1943...
@@dillonblair6491 Brazil also had to pay reparations to Portugal, yet, it is far more stable than Haiti.
@@cau-fl9mn
Lol what a slimy way just to disagree.
Brazil barely paid anything and it was part of the treaty brazil willingly agreed to. Not to mention brazil was already wealthier and more powerful than Portugal, hence it having a larger army and navy during the war.
Haiti had to pay a larger reparations payment than it could reasonably pay until 1943 and it was invaded and occupied twice after being embargoed for 60 years.
It's such a dishonest thing to even bring up when the only similarity is that money was paid. 🤣 nice try though
I love Haitians, they’re always lovely when I meet them abroad. But if we’re being honest, this country cannot function anymore, what’s even the point anymore?
Anymore? Its status as an uncivilized dumpster began with its inception and has continued uninterrupted to the present day
Its not like they have anywhere else to go
@@howardyates4848 They are swamping with massive migration every corner of the continent, neighboring islands and in particular their border neighbor with which they have significant historical beefs because of the latter's refusal and successful struggle against being ethnically cleansed into one-island Haiti...just take a look the two countries now, totally self-explanatory.
@@flexx7543 I don't see how that has anything to do with what I said but ok
@@flexx7543As a Haitian, the #1 historical reason why Haitians don't like the DR is the massacre they did against 15,000 haitians in 1937. No one on this side really gives a dam about their war of independence, that was 200 years ago and even then most haitians didn't care, it was mainly the presidents Boyer and Faustin Soulouque who were hell bent on reclaiming Santo Domingo.
This young hero is rocking the pronunciations.
She's somehow using foreign words WITHOUT SOUNDING PRETENTIOUS. 😂
Seems former colonies of France are the most prone to destabilization.
Haiti collapsed from its inception and stayed collapsed since.
Wait, Haiti's just NOW considered a failed state?
Ngl im on the side of the opposition Haiti needs to decide there own giverment not whatever there deciding in Jamaica
how? how does a country in Haiti's position do that? practically how? who calls for the elections? who manages it? who pays for it?
So a state without proper functioning institutions is supposed to have an election
With the long history of colonialism keeping the country unstable, theres no way an intervention government would ever be trusted, and rightfully so. Let the coalition revolution work with the people to make a government they county will except. Not that it will be easy, but its high time we stop telling them who will be in control of THEIR COUNTRY
UN humanitarian pocket? Anything? UN action is definitely necessary if nothing else for humanitarian support.
UN is busy thinking about gaza.
It was already tried after the earthquake, but it was a disaster, forced sexual relationships for food (some ""consensual"" because of whitewashing), rape, and even a spread of cholera that came from some East Asia soldier and killed like 8000 people gave a very bad reputation for the peacekeeping force.
UN doesn't want to, and Haitians don't want to see the same thing happening, so yeah, i doubt it's gonna happen.
UN is genuinely useless
For all those arguing for abolishing the government - name me a single country without a functioning government that doesn't look like Haiti right now.
Realistically speaking, the fact that gangs basically control most of Haiti doesn't bode well for a future democracy. I hope there can be a democracy but I'm not holding my breath.
Haiti has got to be the most troubled country in the world right now. Sadly, I don't think this 7 member country will help.
doubt this nation will get much better and stable within the coming 20 years, unfortunately
Be free for all , crime , murders , lack of food , energy , in general a mess
And unsurprisingly the gang leader who demanded his resignation isn’t holding his deal he made. Far as I’m concerned they don’t actually want a government or peace. Haiti has always been like this. We all know why.
A nation can never be built through outside intervention. We truly know nothing about what the average Haitian aspires to. The whole world is so paternal with Haiti to baffling degrees. Have a national conversation once and for all and have Haitian community leaders represented including the gangs. Call it a truce/cease fire meeting.
Then ask everyone, What do you want besides a peaceful prosperous Haiti?
who snuck in the minecraft glass sound effect?
Leave these people alone and let them govern themselves. They keep trying to install puppets that the people don't want.
That’s what we’ve done for decades and look where they’ve ended up
@tombo416 Wrong. Their elections and government have constantly been interfered with by foreign nations.
@@tombo416Untrue. Their elections are constantly interfered with by foreigners.
You know how sometimes in life you meet people who no matter what you or anyone else tries to help they self-sabotage to the point you have to give up trying to help altogether and leave them to fail alone forever? That’s what Haiti is as a country it will probably never get itself together on its own or with help it’s best to just avoid the place entirely for the rest of the world.
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986Funny how you imply that Haiti somehow just tripped up into this situation and was not routinely beaten down by every single power around them for literal hundreds of years.
Georgina! 😍😍😍
To be fair ,Ariel followed all in the list his masters request.
This are the terrible consequences of european colonialism and european apathy to remedy the situation. Haiti is poor because of France.
Keep blaming other people for your failures
So in other words it's fault of European when we intervene (colonialism) and when they don't intervene (apathy). Gee... I'd pick apathy, as still would be blamed, just wouldn't have to waste money on that doomed case.
And what without France? What would it be?
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450You only intervened to cause problems or abuse country.
When that countries strategic position or resources cease to be useful you throw the country to the gutter.
So how about intervening to restore government not overthrow the government for once.
@@natenae8635 How about not blaming outsiders for locals regularly failing to govern their own country?
that council sounds like a recipe for civil war
But I though the media told me that Haiti isn’t a “shithole”
The only cavity full of shit I can observe here is your cranium.
Idk what media told you that, literally EVERY media outlet has been saying how messed up that place is
you must have been halucinating.
@@tombo416 He points out that when Trump bluntly stated that and there had been usual media frenzy with those media kind of traditionally claiming the opposite. Let's say that media claim did not age specially well, moreover one may wonder whether at that point we may finally decide whether Trump or US mainstream media were out of touch with reality at that point.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450You act like Trump was the first foreigner to say that about Haiti. Literally every news story about Haiti starts off with *british voice*: "Haiti is the PoOrEsT CoUnTry in the WeStErN HeMisPhEeeEeEreEeE"
I have nothing to say about what's happening in Haiti
The Kenyan-led coalition won't deploy because there is no constitutional authority to direct them there... and the insecurity situation, which won't improve without such an intervention, will keep preventing elections from being held and a constitutional authority from being installed. How can Haiti get out of this chicken-and-egg situation?
Haitian problems require Haitian solutions. Everyone else stay away
America needs to intervene like they did in Afghanistan’s.
@@Rofflestomperhopefully not with the same outcome lmao.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 this time we won’t have a whiny dictator ordering a withdrawal.
@@Rofflestomperthey tried that 2 times already
@@rizkyadiyanto7922Well it’s very different actually.
1. Haiti is in the American sphere of influence and within easy reach of American infrastructure.
2. Haiti doesn’t have a radical Islamic anti Liberal ideology swamping it and isn’t next door neighbors with Pakistan 😅
3. There is a large diaspora of Haitian as opposed to Afghanis that support a democratic ideology and any would be successful government.
Nobody in the west cares truly about democracy in Afghanistan, it was an afterthought/add-on. Whereas if the US got involved now it’s main focus to Haiti would humanitarian not waging war like in Afghanistan
Looks like we’re still speedrunning Plague Inc
I REALLY want America to intervene, but I also know Haitians probably don't want us to because of how much we fucked it up last time.
They don't want us to intervene, and as an American, I agree. We shouldn't intervene. Simply put, we don't know dick about nation-building. Yeah, we can knock over an existing government with our eyes closed, but picking up the pieces and winning hearts and minds? Are we really good with that?
Let the Haitians decide for themselves what country they want -- the foreign powers can provide humanitarian aid, of course, but they must chart their future themselves.
why do you really want it? It would be so pointless.
Now, any bold man with a certain set of skills can carve out his own fief in this fallen land
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Please correct: it is 7 members: 5 voting & 2 observers
Which of the mentioned groups are not on the council?
Jean-Charles Moise will not participate in the transitional council as is it seems. He would be stupid to stick his neck out for the council before they have any concrete plans regardless, but getting him genuinely on board would be a huge boon for the operation.
I'm my life, I can remember this happening in Haiti a few times, so it's just a cyclical paroxysm of score-settling.
It was never anything but a failed state. Honestly they got billions after the earthquake and nothing seems to have improved. Haiti needs to change from within, if anyone intervens they will probably just make it worse.
The solution to the problems in Haiti. Is not for everyone to leave Haiti.
Let's focus on the real issues.
Start with Haitian democratic elections. (They will need official Identification to vote)
Stop promoting Illegal migration.
Stop financing Gang leaders.
Stop sending Firearms and ammunition.
Stop the Open airfields for drug cartels and weapons traffic.
Stop the Open seaports for drug cartels and weapons traffic.
Stop Open borders for contraband and human traffic.
Stop ONG's corruption.
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Like I said before. There are actions that needs to be starting and other actions that need to be stopped:
Stop promoting Illegal migration.
Stop financing Gang leaders.
Stop sending Firearms and ammunition.
Stop the Open airfields for drug cartels and weapons traffic.
Stop the Open seaports for drug cartels and weapons traffic.
Stop Open borders for contraband and human traffic.
Stop NGO’s ,ONG's corruption.
Start with Haitian democratic elections. (They will need official Identification to vote)
God bless.Peace!!!
3:45 Classic American "bringing democracy" moment: give voting power to the private sector but not civil society
The gangs have far more popular support then the previous US installed government and with the directions this councils taking.. yea they are likely to remain more popular.
The five political parties are already meant to be representing civil society...
2:58 it won’t be able to do anything as long as the gangs aren’t disarmed. They’ve already said they won’t accept the transition government.
This is Israel's fault. Free Haiti !! Free Palestine !!
Haiti can do with a Nayib Bukele.
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I appreciate that you said Caricom first. All the coverage I've heard previously references the US first which felt disrespectful
Yeah this would not work
This is no longer a country.
Extraction 3?
Marijuana from Jamaica rum 🍹and cigars!!!!! From cuba 🇨🇺 and oil from Venezuela !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I was Luis Abinader, I should take Île-à-Vache and Navassa Island as part of the Dominican Republic, and make Labadee and it’s surrounding area 5km near it as an independent diarchic city-state making the Royal Caribbean CEO, along with the president of the Dominican Republic, as co-leaders of Labadee.
Actually, Navassa is under *American* jurisdiction.
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@@grantorino2325 Still gonna take it and plant a flag.
Dominicans want NOTHING to do with that one-third of the island's lands except a way to secure their common porous border - they are working on that because they will be damned if lessons from the past are to be repeated. Haiti has never fully recognized the DR's people's sovereignty over their legitimately-owned eastern two thirds of the island, and that has delivered painful lessons.
Guy Philippe is pronounced as "gee" with a hard "G", not as "guy" in english.
USA, Haïti. USA declared independence in 1776. Haïti earned independence in 1804.
For the USA, first was Declaration of Independence, second was War. For Haiti, first was War, second was Declaration of Independence. BIG DIFFERENCE. Years before 1776, the founders of the USA debated, argued, counter-argued about the requirements, attributes, qualities needed for nationhood, thus slowly forming a proper mindset and proper temperament of the american people for eventual nationhood. In the case of Haiti, there was first Rebellion, visceral Anger, most Righteous Anger, blood-churning lust for Revenge against the French colonists. War was engaged and won by the Haitian slaves. A war engaged without aforethought akin to a fight initiated by a hot-headed person driven by righteous anger. The war won, what now? Declaration of Independence of 1804 was the only valid alternative because re-inviting French rule defeats the purpose of the war. The key point is: in 1804 the Haitian people was not prepared for effective nation building.
That the French came back in 1826, required and actually got reparations from Haïti implies that Haïti's independence was a façade, a joke. With Independence comes responsibility and the ability to defend oneself. After 1804 Haïti built 20-odd fortresses about 5 miles inland: they would concede coastal areas because the French had a Navy and Haiti did not. But Haiti got overextended with their invasion of the Dominican Republic. Ooops!!!
Independence for independence's sake is a silly concept. Ask yourself what is the purpose for independence. A 5 year-old child is foolish to seek independence from the parents.
There are parts that I agree with here but I disagree with your last point and I think it was made poorly. Calling the Haitian revolution akin to a 5 year old declaring independence from their parents is infantilizing a group of people who just fought and died for their own emancipation. I agree Haiti wasn’t ready for nation building, but not because they were a petulant child of the French, but because they had just won a hard fought battle of liberation. Really bad metaphor
I don't see another way of Haiti regaining stability except a UN supported full military invasion by nearby countries in the Carrbiean and North America. Military rule is way less than ideal but it will he the first step for Haiti to regain stability.
State building there would be hopeless endeavor, while again everyone would scapegoat local failures on foreigners...
Haitians people have the right to choose they own president
Now that they are a failed state too maybe they can become turkey's second colony after Somalia ....
Without a foreign intervention the chaos will just continue forever.
and fortunately nobody will intervene, not even the Cubans spawned by the Russians and Chinese. It would be a pointless intervention. Better for Haiti to cease to exist.
They should ask Poland to do a UN mission instead. They are supposed to be always welcome according to Haitian constitution.
i go to sleep every night worried for Haiti
Same 😔
Perfect chance for the Dominican Republic to annex Haiti!
Yeah one not solution hehe
@@domenstrmsek5625 If all else fails.
They don't want Hait, annexation wouldn't even bring them money.
Why in hell would the DR want to annex a dumpster on fire consumed in violence and misery?
@@jonathansoto5480 Payback for 1822
Port-au-Prince flipped in the last month as a result of Henry postponing elections until late 2025. The general population in Haiti has been protesting the government which is puppet state of the US. The escalation occurred when Henry left the country to receive an internationally backed security team to protect him/ the oligarchs. This left a power vacuum in the capital. The "gangs" coordinated for the first time in years. This is important because each "gang" is a small militia funded by oligarchs. Coordination between gangs was a clear sign that the official government and oligarchs lost control of the capital. The general population gave Henry an order to resign or he will be killed in the streets upon returning to an island he is not welcome on. The people of Haiti do not want international support. They want control of their country
You know that's a lie and you know it
Cool, they can have total independence along with the consequences that entails. When the island descends into a total battle royale I don't want to hear any whining about "international coalitions" or "colonial reparations" then. Maybe the so-called global south that makes so much noise about looking out for each other can step in for once.
yeah yeah and when these ogunbas start to eat each other do not come here and scream
In any other place these gang leaders would be called warlords. They’re the ones that hold the monopoly of violence, and the only ones that can enforce order, if they can be convinced that it’s in their interest to do so. I’m always an advocate for talking to rebel groups and acknowledging the realities on the ground.
Agreed. The use of the word gang is not an accurate description of the realities on the ground, so much as it is a signal by the international powers as to which playbook they’re using
Which member of the council will refuse to step down and become the next dictator
Gangs in the past have formed political factions. See prison states in South America.
So, this is what a real world Wakanda looks like
Um what
I think they're trolling
@@Seth9809 Some people don't grow up, just ignore the boy
@@oriont6944Did you just assume their gender? Big YIKES!
@@oriont6944 wake tf up 🙄