*looks over at the other* Loz: still at it huh? FF: yup, you? Loz: yup DQ: you guys too huh? *nods* DQ: if only we could've all made it *pours one out for breath of fire*
Yeah, bayonetta is more a rival to DmC. There are plenty of other games Bullet Witch is closer to, but it certainly doesn't seem to be "similar" to Bayonetta in any way other having a female witch protagonist.
And it is also better than devil May cry hands down. That said, I don't know how much of rivals they are, especially when they were created by the same person.
Bayonetta is the Lil sister of DmC. The creator of DmC left Capcom and started platinum games then made Bayonetta. She was never a rival but a sibling.
Yea, how can it even be considered rival when there was no chance of a sequel to begin with and it came out 3 years prior to the first bayonetta. added for the sake of clickbait, which is a shame since rest of the list is fine.
I'd say the more appropriate entry vs Overwatch would have been Battleborn. Battleborn was arguably the more comprehensive and complete game at launch, but the amount of Blizzard simpery among gamers (at the time) and the huge buzz surrounding Overwatch's female character roster and its presence in fan made porn kept OW firmly at the forefront.
@@drewtheunspoken3988I remember being grateful when a team didn't quit the moment we weren't winning. It really was a great game with some of the worst timing imaginable.
I thought Paladins was the closer analogue. At least by the time I decided to try out multiplayer games it was. The others were already 6 feet under by then.
I am pretty sure that at this point FFXIV has overtaken WoW in subscription count. WoW has engaged in PR and marketing practises that began sinking their ship.
Idk anyone that still plays WoW. FF on the other hand? It converted people in my circle that I would never think they could even get into videogames. I don’t play it myself because it was a pain to create an account and that put me off
I love how because of the Saints Row reboot everyone has pretty much cooled their opinions on SR4 like objectively it’s not a bad game it’s just not what we fell in love with SR1-3
Battle Born and Overwatch. The Battle Born devs kept selling their game as "the Overwatch killer." In reality because they never let anyone know what kind of game they were making no one cared when it came out and the game died because of it.
One of the advantage that Marvel Ultimate Alliance had going for it was that it was a spiritual successor to Raven's earlier X-Men Legends series, this meant not only was Justice League Heroes a clone but it was going up against a team that had the formula down pat.
In contrast, the working relationship that coined Metroidvania. Metroid came first with Castlevania soon after. They were both occupying the same genre space but both so beloved the community came together and coined the genre Metroidvania rather than pit them against each other.
Honestly, I really love the Killzone games. Probably my favourite shooter franchise. Advertising itself as a Halo killer was perhaps not the right route to go down for them though. Besides Killzone was always less arcadey and more hardcore than Halo. Plus Killzone didn't have a mascot stretching multiple titles like Halo did.
Overwatch killed Battleborn. I'm sure everyone remembers when they were about to come out. The developer (or someone) of Battleborn tried to set it up as being Overwatch's biggest rival, and then when the games came out, they ended up not actually being super similar. Regardless, since they were coming out around the same time, the developer made gamers feel like they had to choose between the two, and the rest is history. I can't help but wonder if Battleborn wasn't hyped up and immediately sent out to die if having a game like that around might cause Blizzard to think twice about all the crap they're pulling with Overwatch 2.
I'm in no way, at all, a big sports video game guy, let alone a football gamer. However, I will say, I recall buying ESPN NFL 2K5 on a bored whim while I was living with my sister in Reno. At the time, I was on a football kick (no pun intended) and bought it simply because it wasn't Madden. I wanted to try something different. To this day, psssht! Hell yah! 2K5 is sooooo much better! Also, NFL Gameday deserves some mention as well.
That helmet cam mode, "playing against" celebrities, and the overall presentation was so much more in depth than the madden of the same year... 2k was far superior in my eyes, not even close.
I liked Bulletwitch. Lovely protag, great atmosphere, and fun yet chaotic battles. Though I had forgotten about the game by the time Bayonetta entered the scene and the latter did not remind me of the former. So hearing now, that they were considered rival games is very baffling. At least the rest made sense.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🎮 Rivalries impact video game success. 02:17 🌐 World of Warcraft's dominance overshadowed EverQuest 2. 03:55 🏈 EA's exclusivity deal killed ESPN NFL 2K5. 06:26 🎯 LawBreakers failed to compete with Overwatch. 09:41 🚀 Mass Effect succeeded while Too Human failed. Made with HARPA AI
I still play EQ2 every day, but it did sting to watch WoW just completely reinvent the MMO genre. In due time, EQ2 started changing to become more solo friendly in an effort to copy WoW's formula. Despite everything, Azaroth isn't Norrath, so those who love the storylines and world building of EverQuest still have that going for it.
Never heard of Bullet Witch, but the witch in the said game looks better than the one from Bayonetta, *though* that’s just my opinion. That said, kind of *wish* they would remaster Bullet Witch for modern consoles.
@@semvision Why would a mediocre game have such awesome looking protagonist? In fact, has there been any other mediocre games with great looking protagonist(s) before?
I initially only got ESPN NFL 2K5 because I'm a Philadelphia Eagles fan and T.O. is on the cover. I ended up loving the game. I only played Bullet Witch once, and I wish I hadn't. A family friend came over with the disc. I played enough to get one achievement and did not enjoy the game. That one achievement means I can't remove it from my Xbox game history. It haunts me to this day. Oh, man. I remember the marketing push of Haze as a "Halo killer." I was subscribed to Electronic Gaming Monthly at the time, and I believe that publication had Haze as its cover game one month. I'm a comic book fan. I love Marvel Ultimate Alliance. I think I wasn't even aware of Justice League Heroes' existence until this moment.
Should have been Battleborn vs Overwatch. Battleborn I think was released before OW, but that Blizzard shine pushed Gearbox hero shooter into the void yet now OW2 is a dumpster fire. So I suppose karma hits hard.
Here's one: Duke Nukem Forever Vs Half-Life, with HL being the winner. Some of you might already know this, but Duke Nukem Forever has a semi-playable version of the original idea, complete with tentacle SWAT members, hookers, a dark and dingy Vegas, a donkey ride and a few playable scripted scenes. HOWEVER, Half-Life 1 was released while Duke was still in development and, upon seeing the success and praise of Half-Life, the developers decided they too wanted to be more story drive and atmospheric (even though they already were. Plus, they wanted drop shadows, which Half-Life didn't have, no idea why). As a direct result, this postponed Duke as the project was entirely scrapped. As a result, new Unreal engines came out, causing more complete restarts, games developed at a fast pace, causing MORE restarts, and Duke sank multiple companies for a game which, when released, was nothing more than a gym douche FPS shooter and not the babe saving manliest man alive kicking alien arse we loved. Had they just stuck to their guns and not tried to copy Half-Life, DNF could've been released over a DECADE earlier and, even if the series died there, it would've been remembered as a great game. Instead, the existence of Half-Life sent the development into free fall, completely destroying Duke's image and producing a game which only has one good point: The DLC which actually feels like a Duke game. This also robbed us of Blonde Bombshell, who you might know from Ion Fury, who would've been Duke's AI sidekick and was positively received by fans at the time. She would later be replaced by Dylan, the Gears Of War joke who everybody hated cos he WOULDN'T. SHUT. UP.
We tend to praise the products of this "perpetual" competition so much (as we should) that we often forget that at the end of the day, in competitions there's always a winner, like madden "winning" over NFL 2k leading to the monopoly of madden and EA doing the bare minimum to keep "enhancing" its annual installments.
I remember when we had a slew of "Halo Killers". Killzone being the big one because it was Sony exclusive vs Microsoft. But there was also Project Snowblind (which, at one point, was supposed to be related to Deus Ex). Ironically, what killed Halo wasn't a sci-fi shooter and it wasn't even expected to. Call of Duty 4 did modern shooters, something unique at the time where we either got Sci-Fi shooter or WW2 (and boy were there tons of WW2, there were years where multiple titles were released on the PC, it was that popular). So, if you ever want to kill a popular title, don't emulate it. People tend to stick with the originals. Chart off in your own direction. Give gamers something they haven't had before. Or something they rarely get. COD4 wasn't the first modern setting but it did do it right, similar to how Gears didn't do cover shooting first (Winback on the 64 and Kill.Switch beat it to the punch) but it did do it well (also helps that Epic Games poached one of the devs from Kill.Switch to help iron out the cover shooting kinks. Also, I'm using too many parenthesis).
as a dc fan i was so especially hyped back in 06 for JL:H because that was the first game i got that came out on my birthday and oooooooh boy did i ever regret it
love me some bayonetta...but I can't help but always remember it now as the game franchise Helena claimed worth nearly half a billion (despite the fact Nintendo had to save the franchise by publishing it)...😂😂😂😂
I loved Justice League Heroes. That was the game that got me to love the character Green Arrow, which was reinforced further after I started watching Justice League Unlimited.
The Justice League game really hurts as imo DC Comics always had the better stories and with how many unique comic lines there are now a Justice League game going over the BN/BD story, the forever evil storyline with the crime syndicate being the antagonists, or even Flashpoint would transition extremely well if given care and room to grow.
I remember that Justice League Heroes also didn't run as smoothly as Marvel Alliance. There was even a story about one of the levels being bugged to hell to the point that the only solution for the Devs was to cut the 1st half of the level out. Then to ship it as is.
@@timemonkey Not sure. I heard the story on the Castle Super Beast podcast and they said the team had to ship the game like that. I know it was a level that starts off in one place during a cutscene but then starts in another location during gameplay.
But, no? Almost all of these are one game that's huge and well known, and another one that died out due to the former's popularity... Like the name of the list implies.
@@JUnit41484 Team Fortress vs its sequel? Games that failed because they were just bad, and also happened to be compared to a similar game that was good (Too Human, Bullet Witch)? I’ll grant that some entries fit the title well. EverQuest 2 is legit killed by WoW. Madden’s exclusivity deal definitely killed its competitor. Dr1v3r’s rivalry with GTA… uhhh, at least made the game worse, I guess.
You guys are grasping at straws to find a reason to argue. Sure, it's not a "proper rivalry" if one game was trash the whole time, but I'm a Lions fan and we still hate the packers despite that we've been awful for 40 years so 🤷🏼♂️ is that not a "rivalry" because my team sucks?
I enjoyed "Too Human". It wasnt good by any stretch, but there was a quirky uniqueness about it that made me smile when playing it. I wish it were good, I really wish it were good....
I feel like you could make a video for every number on this list and explain why and how things shook out that way cause I've always known of doom but am only just hearing about this marathon game. I've even looked up other doom like games like blood and hexen and never found marathon.
Bungie made Marathon for Mac computers, which at the time were largely an afterthought in the PC and console driven gaming market. So Doom outsold Marathon, not so much because of any rivalry but because it had access to a much wider market. And yet when Microsoft made their own console, who did they turn to? The makers of Doom? No, they bought Bungie, and thus the fingerprints of Marathon are all over Halo. Doom didn’t kill Marathon, it caused it to reincarnate into something even bigger than Doom.
Gotta say, Killzone was in no way a mediocre title though. It was neck and neck with Black as PS2’s best FPS in my opinion, and Killzone 2 and 3 were both solid shooters with some of the best sound design of the generation. Killzone 3 some some entertaining multiplayer and offline modes too. Was it as good as Halo? Perhaps not, but definitely not lacklustre.
Or ALMOST was the Silent-Hill-Franchise killed by the Resident-Evil-Franchise. But there is still a Remake of SH2, the "Pyramid-Head-Part" in the Making!
While WoW was very influential, I found that many more MMORPGs were widely successful before and after, especially outside of the UK/US market. So hardly a monopolization of communities.
Mass effect felt more like a Gears of War clone that happened to have rpg elements. From what I've seen of Too Human, they don't have anything close to similar mechanics and only share the scifi-genre.
Its genuinely mad that Halo has been utter dogshit since Reach yet Sony still havent properly tried to launch a sci fi FPS that can rival it, having given up on Killzone (which was guff). Halo Infinite was absolutely rotten yet wins by default because there is zero competition or alternatives, wtf!
If I remember, Too human was the pet project of Silicon Knights, and was at one point intended for a Gamecube release, but then cancelled... Silicon Knights was the company that made Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, which to this day remains exclusive to the Nintendo Gamecube. Despite Nintendo having not done anything with the IP in ages, Nintendo continues to renew their ownership of the IP to keep it from the hands of the competition. this after Silicon Knights has gone the way of the dodo. Here's a fun one. The different versions of Gauntlet Dark Legacy. On the most basic and vaguest of level they were all the same game, but the Gamecube version was seen as the best and most definitive version from the classic franchise made by Midway games. As it felt the most polished of the versions. The Dreamcast version was really more a port of Gauntlet Legends. The Xbox was... Shoddy to say the least... The PS2 version's biggest problem was you couldn't save your acquired magical weapons for other stages. The Gamecube version had 1 revision which fixed the bugs that plagued the release version. The revision remains THE definitive version of Gauntlet Dark Legacy, and remains the BEST Gauntlet game EVER, even despite Atari getting the license for it, and making a rather lackluster PC port. And Atari got it after Midway collapsed and splintered off after the absolute FAILURE that was Seven Sorrows on PS2 and XB, which was banking on the online support... Seven Sorrows was by far the WORST Gauntlet game EVER. At least the Atari developed Gauntlet game on PC had a somewhat retro feel, and gave a Diablo kinda vibe.
Totally. Played both. Justice League Heroes was not bad, but ended up being so bland that i never tried finish it more than one time. Ultimate Alliance was so fun in comparison. I spended hours unlocking everything and discovering all the little secrets, like The Thing's Fire Resistance.
People didn't buy Mac to play games, so it's weird Marathon were exclusive for it. Halo didn't kill Killzone, Socom or Resistance. Destiny and Call of Duty were probably the ones killing them all off.
Actually the old Apple Macintosh computers were more gamer focused than the early PC's. It's only these days with the modern Macs where that's the case. It made sense for games to be exclusive to Macintosh's.
Killzone doesn't really belong on this list. It didn't kill Halo but the Halo rivalry didn't kill it either. Killzone survived and dropped one of the best FPS shooters of all time with KZ2 and had 6 games in total.
Killzone was actually a good franchise. I miss it. I hope Sony brings it back at some point and does it justice. Same with SOCOM really missed these games. As for Halo well...I'm pretty sure 343 is trying to kill it themselves and they do not require outside help (which is a shame because Halo ODST and Reach were some of my favorite FPS games)
- I remember a lot of vitriol towards EA from a good number of fans (myself included) for yanking the NFL license away when 2K started taking dominating them in the market with a cheaper and better alternative. I haven't bought a football game since it happened, and even didn't take advantage of having a friend who worked there that could've gotten me a free copy of Madden every year for the near decade he worked there haha. - Yeah I was never aware that there was any rivalry between Bayonetta and Bullet Witch. I remember BW and actually kinda looking forward to it until it got such a middling reception, and by the time Bayonetta came out I'd all but forgotten it. I would've sooner said Bayonetta had had a rivalry with Devil May Cry, given the Hideki Kamiya connection, the obvious similarities in combat, flow, and over-the-top style of presentation, and DMC4 being released the year prior. But of course neither one of them suffered because of it, so it wouldn't belong on this list. - Oh man I remember Overwatch vs LawBreakers...and Overwatch vs Paragon...and Overwatch vs Battleborn. Pretty much Overwatch vs every hero shooter around the time haha. I actually felt sorry for Battleborn because I dug the design, and LawBreakers because it was supposed it actually looked really fun. - I really liked he concept of Too Human, but my hopes for it waned once it entered development hell haha. Still hoped that it would be good, but wasn't surprised at all that it ended up being disappointing. I actually wasn't hyped at all for Mass Effect so that was a pleasant surprise on release. - Killzone and Haze were essentially cautionary tales that taught subsequent FPS games that they should never, ever want to be referred to as "Halo killers" haha. Killzone was at least solid enough to get sequels that improved pretty dramatically along the way though. - Likening asking comic book fans to choose between Marvel and DC to asking them to choose their favorite child is not always apt. Lots of comic book fans will all too willingly tell you their preference and fight you for disagreeing with them haha.
I don't get why Killzone is on this list. I never saw it as the antagonist to Halo, nor is it a failed franchise. They were really successful games. Guerilla Games just went on to develop the Horizon franchise which also is a great success.
I've played Doom and Marathon, although they are both good, I like Doom better. I like and played both Bayonetta and Bullet Witch (got my game copy signed by the voice actress of Alicia, Sarah Natochenny) ❤. Both Team Fortress are great. I wasn't really a big fan of Driver, GTA is better. Comparing Halo to Haze and Killzone? Thats not even a question, we know Halo is better than both of those wannabe Halo games.
When it comes to mmos i would srghe final fantasy 14 is the best and sets a much higher standard. The game itself allow you to play as on character and just swap to a different class as need and automatically changes stats to match, each class levels separately, and instead of having to by a major story expansion every time they want to add ne w content they just do a mass patch and add the new quests in reserving expansions for entire new regions
Overwatch's rival is clearly Paladins. Paladins is wildly more popular than OW since Blizzard abandoned the game for 3 years before finally releasing OW2
I think a better sports game rivalry is NBA Live vs. NBA 2K. Madden has been around since the Sega Genesis. It was already established and a fan favorite. NBA Live was the game most basketball fans played until NBA 2K came out and wiped Live off the map.
Hell Overwatch killed Gearboxs Battleborn more than Lawbreakers. Given Gearboxs reputation with FPSs and given that it was coming out in the same month but weeks before OW it should have had the edge. But Gearboxs muddy marketing, Pitchforks lousy promoting, and the confusion of not wanting to call it a "hero shooter" but it's own new genre. Game was damn near dead on arrival even though OW release was weeks away.
@@marcjameswhelan i mean... there were no comments and it said "video posted 3 seconds ago" when i got here. I was doing something unrelated to youtube and happened to click just as the notification popped up.
Fortnite and PUBG over Z1 Battle Royale. Despite being crowned the 1st Battle Royale even with the name its hardly remembered today and people often only talk about Fortnite and PUBGs rivalry.
In FF1 there is a gravestone that says, "here lies link" a nod to them being potential Zelda-killers 😅 but neither game is killed however
"zelda killer" yet it's nothing like zelda gameplay wise
only in the original NES localization. In the original Famicom version & subsequent remakes it's Erdrick/Loto from Dragon Quest on the grave not Link.
@@newageBoundhippiea bit fitting because final fantasy would be successful in the west where Dragon Quest wasnt.
Can you imagine being able to kill a game that's not even the same genre?
*looks over at the other*
Loz: still at it huh?
FF: yup, you?
Loz: yup
DQ: you guys too huh?
*nods*
DQ: if only we could've all made it
*pours one out for breath of fire*
Yeah, bayonetta is more a rival to DmC. There are plenty of other games Bullet Witch is closer to, but it certainly doesn't seem to be "similar" to Bayonetta in any way other having a female witch protagonist.
And it is also better than devil May cry hands down. That said, I don't know how much of rivals they are, especially when they were created by the same person.
Bayonetta is the Lil sister of DmC. The creator of DmC left Capcom and started platinum games then made Bayonetta. She was never a rival but a sibling.
Yea, how can it even be considered rival when there was no chance of a sequel to begin with and it came out 3 years prior to the first bayonetta. added for the sake of clickbait, which is a shame since rest of the list is fine.
@@thembill8246😅😅😅
@@supersaiyanswag9686 I was thinking the same
I had NO IDEA that Justice League Heroes or Marathon existed
The rivalry between Infamous and Prototype was much better, especially when their respective art teams waded in after a challenge from Yahtzee.
Waded in what? A pool?
Always thought Prototype was the better power fantasy, much more fun to zip around the world.
I'd say the more appropriate entry vs Overwatch would have been Battleborn. Battleborn was arguably the more comprehensive and complete game at launch, but the amount of Blizzard simpery among gamers (at the time) and the huge buzz surrounding Overwatch's female character roster and its presence in fan made porn kept OW firmly at the forefront.
I actually preferred Battleborn. It got lonely pretty quick.
@@drewtheunspoken3988 agreed.
@@drewtheunspoken3988I remember being grateful when a team didn't quit the moment we weren't winning. It really was a great game with some of the worst timing imaginable.
I thought Paladins was the closer analogue. At least by the time I decided to try out multiplayer games it was. The others were already 6 feet under by then.
@@derpydood yeah, BB player base was nuked pretty fast, and the post-launch content support went right along with it.
I am pretty sure that at this point FFXIV has overtaken WoW in subscription count.
WoW has engaged in PR and marketing practises that began sinking their ship.
Idk anyone that still plays WoW. FF on the other hand? It converted people in my circle that I would never think they could even get into videogames.
I don’t play it myself because it was a pain to create an account and that put me off
That's just Blizzard being Blizzard.
While that is true today, for many years WoW was the clear dominant MMORPG out there.
I love how because of the Saints Row reboot everyone has pretty much cooled their opinions on SR4 like objectively it’s not a bad game it’s just not what we fell in love with SR1-3
What was sr4?
@@_Sleepyhollow_ Saints Row 4. It’s the one where you become president
@gmanz5 oooh ok 🤦🏾♂️I should’ve known that since I played it
2k5 having a helmet cam option absolutely blew madden out of the water in my eyes...
Overwatch Vs Lawbreakers. Time has deemed Battleborn not even worthy of mention 😂
Battle Born and Overwatch. The Battle Born devs kept selling their game as "the Overwatch killer." In reality because they never let anyone know what kind of game they were making no one cared when it came out and the game died because of it.
One of the advantage that Marvel Ultimate Alliance had going for it was that it was a spiritual successor to Raven's earlier X-Men Legends series, this meant not only was Justice League Heroes a clone but it was going up against a team that had the formula down pat.
Bullet Witch vs Gun Grave😊
Marvel vs DC was unexpected in this list, but just as unsurprising.
In contrast, the working relationship that coined Metroidvania. Metroid came first with Castlevania soon after. They were both occupying the same genre space but both so beloved the community came together and coined the genre Metroidvania rather than pit them against each other.
It helped that the two games have different design and style, and not trying to compete
Honestly, I really love the Killzone games. Probably my favourite shooter franchise. Advertising itself as a Halo killer was perhaps not the right route to go down for them though. Besides Killzone was always less arcadey and more hardcore than Halo. Plus Killzone didn't have a mascot stretching multiple titles like Halo did.
Did it ever actually advertise itself as that or was that something other people said of it?
@@harrybuttery2447 Honestly I think it was something other people said of it. I never heard it claim it of itself, only from watching these videos.
I always thought Halo felt a bit too cartoonish, whereas Killzone looked more gritty. I prefered the weapons and designs of Killzone
Overwatch killed Battleborn. I'm sure everyone remembers when they were about to come out. The developer (or someone) of Battleborn tried to set it up as being Overwatch's biggest rival, and then when the games came out, they ended up not actually being super similar. Regardless, since they were coming out around the same time, the developer made gamers feel like they had to choose between the two, and the rest is history.
I can't help but wonder if Battleborn wasn't hyped up and immediately sent out to die if having a game like that around might cause Blizzard to think twice about all the crap they're pulling with Overwatch 2.
I'm in no way, at all, a big sports video game guy, let alone a football gamer. However, I will say, I recall buying ESPN NFL 2K5 on a bored whim while I was living with my sister in Reno. At the time, I was on a football kick (no pun intended) and bought it simply because it wasn't Madden. I wanted to try something different. To this day, psssht! Hell yah! 2K5 is sooooo much better! Also, NFL Gameday deserves some mention as well.
That helmet cam mode, "playing against" celebrities, and the overall presentation was so much more in depth than the madden of the same year... 2k was far superior in my eyes, not even close.
I liked Bulletwitch. Lovely protag, great atmosphere, and fun yet chaotic battles.
Though I had forgotten about the game by the time Bayonetta entered the scene and the latter did not remind me of the former. So hearing now, that they were considered rival games is very baffling.
At least the rest made sense.
It's funny I enjoyed Bulletwitch too. (I def enjoyed Bayonetta more though) I even have a Bulletwitch poster
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🎮 Rivalries impact video game success.
02:17 🌐 World of Warcraft's dominance overshadowed EverQuest 2.
03:55 🏈 EA's exclusivity deal killed ESPN NFL 2K5.
06:26 🎯 LawBreakers failed to compete with Overwatch.
09:41 🚀 Mass Effect succeeded while Too Human failed.
Made with HARPA AI
I still play EQ2 every day, but it did sting to watch WoW just completely reinvent the MMO genre. In due time, EQ2 started changing to become more solo friendly in an effort to copy WoW's formula. Despite everything, Azaroth isn't Norrath, so those who love the storylines and world building of EverQuest still have that going for it.
Never heard of Bullet Witch, but the witch in the said game looks better than the one from Bayonetta, *though* that’s just my opinion. That said, kind of *wish* they would remaster Bullet Witch for modern consoles.
It sucks, its pure mediocrity masquerading as a video game.
@@semvision Why would a mediocre game have such awesome looking protagonist? In fact, has there been any other mediocre games with great looking protagonist(s) before?
How about a list of the longest boss battles in video games
Nemesis in Resi 3, dog fight to slush monster
1st sentence: Reboot of saint row deserve some love... and that already shows how inaccurate this list will be.
Marathon is legit still around. We're getting a new one. So idk how that first one on the list applies.
I miss Killzone
Me too kid, me too
I initially only got ESPN NFL 2K5 because I'm a Philadelphia Eagles fan and T.O. is on the cover. I ended up loving the game.
I only played Bullet Witch once, and I wish I hadn't. A family friend came over with the disc. I played enough to get one achievement and did not enjoy the game. That one achievement means I can't remove it from my Xbox game history. It haunts me to this day.
Oh, man. I remember the marketing push of Haze as a "Halo killer." I was subscribed to Electronic Gaming Monthly at the time, and I believe that publication had Haze as its cover game one month.
I'm a comic book fan. I love Marvel Ultimate Alliance. I think I wasn't even aware of Justice League Heroes' existence until this moment.
When it comes to MMOs I spent too much time on a game called Anarchy Online
Should have been Battleborn vs Overwatch. Battleborn I think was released before OW, but that Blizzard shine pushed Gearbox hero shooter into the void yet now OW2 is a dumpster fire. So I suppose karma hits hard.
Here's one: Duke Nukem Forever Vs Half-Life, with HL being the winner.
Some of you might already know this, but Duke Nukem Forever has a semi-playable version of the original idea, complete with tentacle SWAT members, hookers, a dark and dingy Vegas, a donkey ride and a few playable scripted scenes. HOWEVER, Half-Life 1 was released while Duke was still in development and, upon seeing the success and praise of Half-Life, the developers decided they too wanted to be more story drive and atmospheric (even though they already were. Plus, they wanted drop shadows, which Half-Life didn't have, no idea why).
As a direct result, this postponed Duke as the project was entirely scrapped. As a result, new Unreal engines came out, causing more complete restarts, games developed at a fast pace, causing MORE restarts, and Duke sank multiple companies for a game which, when released, was nothing more than a gym douche FPS shooter and not the babe saving manliest man alive kicking alien arse we loved.
Had they just stuck to their guns and not tried to copy Half-Life, DNF could've been released over a DECADE earlier and, even if the series died there, it would've been remembered as a great game. Instead, the existence of Half-Life sent the development into free fall, completely destroying Duke's image and producing a game which only has one good point: The DLC which actually feels like a Duke game.
This also robbed us of Blonde Bombshell, who you might know from Ion Fury, who would've been Duke's AI sidekick and was positively received by fans at the time. She would later be replaced by Dylan, the Gears Of War joke who everybody hated cos he WOULDN'T. SHUT. UP.
We tend to praise the products of this "perpetual" competition so much (as we should) that we often forget that at the end of the day, in competitions there's always a winner, like madden "winning" over NFL 2k leading to the monopoly of madden and EA doing the bare minimum to keep "enhancing" its annual installments.
Good video, watching it late but love this videos with my morning coffee
I think there are better MMOs than WoW. All I’ve been hearing about WoW is how players are leaving
FF XIV for one
It's inevitable when you're the biggest.
Everquest passed the crown onto WOW
@@sorahearts3317 that’s the game I was thinking of. I’ve been playing it for a couple years now
Anyone remember that team shooter by gearbox that released the same week as Overwatch?
Battleborn… which was the game I thought they were going to use as the rival.
I remember when we had a slew of "Halo Killers". Killzone being the big one because it was Sony exclusive vs Microsoft. But there was also Project Snowblind (which, at one point, was supposed to be related to Deus Ex). Ironically, what killed Halo wasn't a sci-fi shooter and it wasn't even expected to. Call of Duty 4 did modern shooters, something unique at the time where we either got Sci-Fi shooter or WW2 (and boy were there tons of WW2, there were years where multiple titles were released on the PC, it was that popular).
So, if you ever want to kill a popular title, don't emulate it. People tend to stick with the originals. Chart off in your own direction. Give gamers something they haven't had before. Or something they rarely get. COD4 wasn't the first modern setting but it did do it right, similar to how Gears didn't do cover shooting first (Winback on the 64 and Kill.Switch beat it to the punch) but it did do it well (also helps that Epic Games poached one of the devs from Kill.Switch to help iron out the cover shooting kinks. Also, I'm using too many parenthesis).
as a dc fan i was so especially hyped back in 06 for JL:H because that was the first game i got that came out on my birthday and oooooooh boy did i ever regret it
love me some bayonetta...but I can't help but always remember it now as the game franchise Helena claimed worth nearly half a billion (despite the fact Nintendo had to save the franchise by publishing it)...😂😂😂😂
Yeah. Bayonetta were never a big seller, but Nintendo decided to fund sequels anyway after Sony and Microsoft refused.
Does Too Human even share anything with Mass Effect aside from being a Sci-Fi story?
I was expecting prototype and infamous on here tbh if I am rembering it right. But I really enjoyed this list too
Fable vs Elder Scrolls didn't make the list? Didn't Molyneux tout his game to be an Oblivion Killer?
I loved Justice League Heroes. That was the game that got me to love the character Green Arrow, which was reinforced further after I started watching Justice League Unlimited.
The Justice League game really hurts as imo DC Comics always had the better stories and with how many unique comic lines there are now a Justice League game going over the BN/BD story, the forever evil storyline with the crime syndicate being the antagonists, or even Flashpoint would transition extremely well if given care and room to grow.
I must not remeber it well, but I love Too Human. was sad to see there was nothing more after it released.
I remember that Justice League Heroes also didn't run as smoothly as Marvel Alliance. There was even a story about one of the levels being bugged to hell to the point that the only solution for the Devs was to cut the 1st half of the level out. Then to ship it as is.
Any idea which level?
@@timemonkey Not sure. I heard the story on the Castle Super Beast podcast and they said the team had to ship the game like that. I know it was a level that starts off in one place during a cutscene but then starts in another location during gameplay.
More like “10 video game rivalries that existed”
But, no? Almost all of these are one game that's huge and well known, and another one that died out due to the former's popularity... Like the name of the list implies.
@@JUnit41484 Team Fortress vs its sequel? Games that failed because they were just bad, and also happened to be compared to a similar game that was good (Too Human, Bullet Witch)?
I’ll grant that some entries fit the title well. EverQuest 2 is legit killed by WoW. Madden’s exclusivity deal definitely killed its competitor. Dr1v3r’s rivalry with GTA… uhhh, at least made the game worse, I guess.
@@JUnit41484rivalries that killed games implies they're a real rivalry.
Not an "exist at the same time"
@@adamgreenspan4988EQ2 is still going and still dropping content though.
You guys are grasping at straws to find a reason to argue. Sure, it's not a "proper rivalry" if one game was trash the whole time, but I'm a Lions fan and we still hate the packers despite that we've been awful for 40 years so 🤷🏼♂️ is that not a "rivalry" because my team sucks?
I was playing Battleborn and Overwatch back in the day, never heard of lawbreakers
I enjoyed "Too Human". It wasnt good by any stretch, but there was a quirky uniqueness about it that made me smile when playing it. I wish it were good, I really wish it were good....
Too human's death cutscene will always stand out in my mind as insanely excessive... that game was definitely a unique experience for the time 😂
I'd have actually put Overwatch v Battleborn. I'm actually surprised that wasn't on this list.
I feel like you could make a video for every number on this list and explain why and how things shook out that way cause I've always known of doom but am only just hearing about this marathon game. I've even looked up other doom like games like blood and hexen and never found marathon.
What about now that Marathon's getting a remake?
@GabePuratekuta yup that's the only way I've heard about it at all. Otherwise it was lost to obscurity?
Bungie made Marathon for Mac computers, which at the time were largely an afterthought in the PC and console driven gaming market. So Doom outsold Marathon, not so much because of any rivalry but because it had access to a much wider market. And yet when Microsoft made their own console, who did they turn to? The makers of Doom? No, they bought Bungie, and thus the fingerprints of Marathon are all over Halo. Doom didn’t kill Marathon, it caused it to reincarnate into something even bigger than Doom.
Gotta say, Killzone was in no way a mediocre title though. It was neck and neck with Black as PS2’s best FPS in my opinion, and Killzone 2 and 3 were both solid shooters with some of the best sound design of the generation. Killzone 3 some some entertaining multiplayer and offline modes too.
Was it as good as Halo? Perhaps not, but definitely not lacklustre.
Omg Marathon. Just had to go check but I still have my copies of Marathon 1&2! Very cool for me.
Or ALMOST was the Silent-Hill-Franchise killed by the Resident-Evil-Franchise. But there is still a Remake of SH2, the "Pyramid-Head-Part" in the Making!
While WoW was very influential, I found that many more MMORPGs were widely successful before and after, especially outside of the UK/US market. So hardly a monopolization of communities.
4:01 um isn't that illegal due to Monoploy laws in the USA.
Mass effect felt more like a Gears of War clone that happened to have rpg elements. From what I've seen of Too Human, they don't have anything close to similar mechanics and only share the scifi-genre.
I half expected to see Max Payne and Dead to Rights make the list. But maybe that clash wasn't as definitive?
Its genuinely mad that Halo has been utter dogshit since Reach yet Sony still havent properly tried to launch a sci fi FPS that can rival it, having given up on Killzone (which was guff). Halo Infinite was absolutely rotten yet wins by default because there is zero competition or alternatives, wtf!
C'mon!
If I remember, Too human was the pet project of Silicon Knights, and was at one point intended for a Gamecube release, but then cancelled... Silicon Knights was the company that made Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, which to this day remains exclusive to the Nintendo Gamecube. Despite Nintendo having not done anything with the IP in ages, Nintendo continues to renew their ownership of the IP to keep it from the hands of the competition. this after Silicon Knights has gone the way of the dodo.
Here's a fun one. The different versions of Gauntlet Dark Legacy. On the most basic and vaguest of level they were all the same game, but the Gamecube version was seen as the best and most definitive version from the classic franchise made by Midway games. As it felt the most polished of the versions.
The Dreamcast version was really more a port of Gauntlet Legends.
The Xbox was... Shoddy to say the least...
The PS2 version's biggest problem was you couldn't save your acquired magical weapons for other stages.
The Gamecube version had 1 revision which fixed the bugs that plagued the release version. The revision remains THE definitive version of Gauntlet Dark Legacy, and remains the BEST Gauntlet game EVER, even despite Atari getting the license for it, and making a rather lackluster PC port. And Atari got it after Midway collapsed and splintered off after the absolute FAILURE that was Seven Sorrows on PS2 and XB, which was banking on the online support... Seven Sorrows was by far the WORST Gauntlet game EVER. At least the Atari developed Gauntlet game on PC had a somewhat retro feel, and gave a Diablo kinda vibe.
It's sad. I think JLH is OK, but compared to Ultimate Alliance ( or even X men legends), it really doesn't even come close.
Totally. Played both. Justice League Heroes was not bad, but ended up being so bland that i never tried finish it more than one time. Ultimate Alliance was so fun in comparison. I spended hours unlocking everything and discovering all the little secrets, like The Thing's Fire Resistance.
I don't know if it ruined gaming itself, but the feud between Paladins and Overwatch sure ruined some of my friendships :/
I'm sad that Sengoku Basara and Samurai Warriors isn't even mentioned here :(
I was half expecting to hear Destiny 2 vs the countless times I’ve heard of a new “Destiny killer”.
People didn't buy Mac to play games, so it's weird Marathon were exclusive for it.
Halo didn't kill Killzone, Socom or Resistance. Destiny and Call of Duty were probably the ones killing them all off.
Actually the old Apple Macintosh computers were more gamer focused than the early PC's. It's only these days with the modern Macs where that's the case. It made sense for games to be exclusive to Macintosh's.
Killzone doesn't really belong on this list. It didn't kill Halo but the Halo rivalry didn't kill it either. Killzone survived and dropped one of the best FPS shooters of all time with KZ2 and had 6 games in total.
Wasn't Haze infamous for giving away it's main plot twist in the advertising?
Its not that the marvel one was more popular but the dc was so damn hard. If children were to play they would cry. Its really difficult
Killzone was actually a good franchise. I miss it. I hope Sony brings it back at some point and does it justice. Same with SOCOM really missed these games.
As for Halo well...I'm pretty sure 343 is trying to kill it themselves and they do not require outside help (which is a shame because Halo ODST and Reach were some of my favorite FPS games)
RE the HALO mention; shooting games on the N64 would like a word
Halo didn’t kill Killzone. Horizon Zero Dawn did.
Shut your mouth when she's talking to you. Hater.
Even though bullet witch came out first, its no surprise it ends up in last place because Bayonetta is just WAY BETTER IN EVERY WAY!
Some of the entries here are literally just aesthetic deep. Mass Effect is nothing like Too Human or than the protagonists both where space armor.
- I remember a lot of vitriol towards EA from a good number of fans (myself included) for yanking the NFL license away when 2K started taking dominating them in the market with a cheaper and better alternative. I haven't bought a football game since it happened, and even didn't take advantage of having a friend who worked there that could've gotten me a free copy of Madden every year for the near decade he worked there haha.
- Yeah I was never aware that there was any rivalry between Bayonetta and Bullet Witch. I remember BW and actually kinda looking forward to it until it got such a middling reception, and by the time Bayonetta came out I'd all but forgotten it. I would've sooner said Bayonetta had had a rivalry with Devil May Cry, given the Hideki Kamiya connection, the obvious similarities in combat, flow, and over-the-top style of presentation, and DMC4 being released the year prior. But of course neither one of them suffered because of it, so it wouldn't belong on this list.
- Oh man I remember Overwatch vs LawBreakers...and Overwatch vs Paragon...and Overwatch vs Battleborn. Pretty much Overwatch vs every hero shooter around the time haha. I actually felt sorry for Battleborn because I dug the design, and LawBreakers because it was supposed it actually looked really fun.
- I really liked he concept of Too Human, but my hopes for it waned once it entered development hell haha. Still hoped that it would be good, but wasn't surprised at all that it ended up being disappointing. I actually wasn't hyped at all for Mass Effect so that was a pleasant surprise on release.
- Killzone and Haze were essentially cautionary tales that taught subsequent FPS games that they should never, ever want to be referred to as "Halo killers" haha. Killzone was at least solid enough to get sequels that improved pretty dramatically along the way though.
- Likening asking comic book fans to choose between Marvel and DC to asking them to choose their favorite child is not always apt. Lots of comic book fans will all too willingly tell you their preference and fight you for disagreeing with them haha.
I'm sorry but the battle stood between Battleborn and Overwatch. Lawbreakers was just late for the party.
I don't get why Killzone is on this list. I never saw it as the antagonist to Halo, nor is it a failed franchise. They were really successful games.
Guerilla Games just went on to develop the Horizon franchise which also is a great success.
Resistance was a really good game. I wish they would make another.
I really liked bullet witch, it deserves better
I don't even remember Justice League Heroes existing.
I've played Doom and Marathon, although they are both good, I like Doom better. I like and played both Bayonetta and Bullet Witch (got my game copy signed by the voice actress of Alicia, Sarah Natochenny) ❤. Both Team Fortress are great. I wasn't really a big fan of Driver, GTA is better. Comparing Halo to Haze and Killzone? Thats not even a question, we know Halo is better than both of those wannabe Halo games.
When it comes to mmos i would srghe final fantasy 14 is the best and sets a much higher standard. The game itself allow you to play as on character and just swap to a different class as need and automatically changes stats to match, each class levels separately, and instead of having to by a major story expansion every time they want to add ne w content they just do a mass patch and add the new quests in reserving expansions for entire new regions
What? Tf2 and tfc? That's not a rivalry
Overwatch's rival is clearly Paladins. Paladins is wildly more popular than OW since Blizzard abandoned the game for 3 years before finally releasing OW2
I think a better sports game rivalry is NBA Live vs. NBA 2K. Madden has been around since the Sega Genesis. It was already established and a fan favorite. NBA Live was the game most basketball fans played until NBA 2K came out and wiped Live off the map.
Hell Overwatch killed Gearboxs Battleborn more than Lawbreakers.
Given Gearboxs reputation with FPSs and given that it was coming out in the same month but weeks before OW it should have had the edge. But Gearboxs muddy marketing, Pitchforks lousy promoting, and the confusion of not wanting to call it a "hero shooter" but it's own new genre. Game was damn near dead on arrival even though OW release was weeks away.
I really liked Bulletwitch. It taught me how to play shooters like Halo. It wasn't the best game, but everybody needs a "baby's first" game.
Never heard of it, the witch in that game looks great though. *Would* like to see a remaster for modern consoles.
Ive never been the first one to a video before. Its weird and i dont like it...
And thats how you announce your early arrival! Well done
2 losers
Also you're not first
@@marcjameswhelan i mean... there were no comments and it said "video posted 3 seconds ago" when i got here. I was doing something unrelated to youtube and happened to click just as the notification popped up.
I've never heard of Bullet Witch
Justice League Heroes was SO much better than Marvel Ultimate Alliance, except for the locked-in heroes for half the missions.
Well, Konami vs Kojima killed Metal Gear Franchise.
Ill never understand why Lawbreakers didnt go free to play much much sooner.
They got greedy. Their original plan was to release f2p
Is no one here gonna mention how Tekken killed Virtua Fighter?
The player base is still loyal. Just like Marathon
Oh...so the title should be "The times studios caught a body."
Doom DEF caught one, for me. I never even HEARD of Marathon.🤣
Of course GTA caught a body😂😂😂 I witnessed that in real time😂
I picked up Bullet Witch for the 360 for four bucks at a drug store
I really liked Too Human. I still have my copy.
Fortnite and PUBG over Z1 Battle Royale. Despite being crowned the 1st Battle Royale even with the name its hardly remembered today and people often only talk about Fortnite and PUBGs rivalry.
I really liked Bulletwitch. I felt like at the time zero other people had even heard of it.
Isn't it funny how games tried to be a halo killer when the true halo killer was halo
No Prototype vs inFamous?
Is a pity about Justice League Heroes, game was a ton of fun.
Did you just say bullet witch was an fps game while showing third person footage?
I don’t see the similarity of bullet witch and bayonetta in the slightest
I have both Ultimate Alliance and Justice League Heroes