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The funny thing is that Khorne wasn't mad that Scarbrand tried to kill him. He was mad that Scarbrand tried to stab him in the back because it was cowardly. If Scarbrand tried to kill Khorne in a duel, Khorne might have been impressed by his audacity.
@@iamcage187 He cares not from whence it flows, only that it flows. Plus from a certain perspective a serial killer's real opponents are the people trying to stop him.
@@iamcage187It's like with the fish. Slaughtering the innocent is nice, but killing your enemy after an honorable and bloody duel gets you extra points
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My favorite Khorne story is probably Tuska Daemon Killa. Hes an Ork who fought a whole lot of demons and eventually wound up in a battle with a demon prince of Khorne. He lost naturally because Demon Prince but Khorne looked at him and his slaughtered army and went "Yall were fun so we are gonna do that again!" And so now every day Tuska and his entire army get revived by Khorne to fight the army of Khorne on this planet for really no other reason than Khorne enjoys it. For his part Tuska is quite happy with the arrangement as well
Tuska is genuinely probably the happiest being in the entire 40k setting. Dude got the foreverscrap, and all his buds get brought back to life every day so they can laugh about how they died yesterday. Thats ork heaven right there!
You forgot the best part - as he was dying Tuska got in one last final blow at the Daemon Prince. Who was, at this point, towering over Tuska to deliver the final blow. Tuska got the guy right in the crotch with his last breath, and that's just brilliant.
Khorne: *holding Angron* “This is my son, I hate him.” Angron: “Believe me, the feeling is *very* mutual.” Also tts worded it best… Magnus: “Khorne will never lie, he’ll never try to trick you or stab you in the back.” Emps: “He will just stab you in the face, over and over again. Until your face stops resembling a face.”
SKARBRAND HATES GOING OUTSIDE! AND GOING INSIDE! SKARBAND SHALL STAY IN THE DOORFRAME, HE HATES IT SLIGHTLY LESS. Actually Magnus noted that while Khrone is a god of war and death he also subscribes to the idea of "survival of the fittest" and the idea having the strength to stop evil and is surprisingly honest as Khrone will never stab you in the back, he just prefers the upfront approach of just beating you senseless.
A good way to describe khorne is this "He'll never stab you in the back. That's not how he is. He'll just bury an axe in your face. He's simple like that" Also, Khorne wasnt mad that Skarbrand had tried to kill him. He was pissed that he didnt attack him head on.
Nah Khorne would still be mad about if he did it from the front 40K Khorne does not care about honor if the blood comes from defenseless children then so be it
The actual youngest is Zeus, both among the male siblings and just overall. Hades only got stuck with the underworld because him, Poseidon, and Zeus drew lots to decide who got what and Hades literally drew the short straw.
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What i love about Khorne is that he doesnt need to do anything, the people fighting dont need to fight and kill in his name, they just need to do it, for any reason, and it makes him stronger. Absolute king. Strongest Chaos God too.
The only reason he doesn't completely dominate the other 3 is because he is straight forward while all 3 others don't mind backstabbing and scheming and as soon as 1 of them gets ahead the others will dogpile that 1.
Wasn't there a situation where a priest on a human world got so bloodthirsty during an ork invasion, that his crazed rhetoric lead the people to slaughter the orks so thouroghly that they tore a rift in the warp and triggered a khornate invadsion?
The chaos gods kind of ARE an aesthetic. The more mortals think about the ideas they're made out of, the stronger they become, so it's all about pushing a clear brand identity. Even if it's Tzeentch and that brand identity is "Nobody knows what my next move will be."
I think, the 3 chaos gods came into existence during the war in heaven that y'all discussed last episode. Then they kind of fell asleep during the Necron's great sleep and were awoken during the medival period. Khorne by the Crusades and other massive continent spanning wars. Followed by Nurgle during the Black Death. Then Tzeentch during the Renaissance and the end of the Medival era. I think that's the theory though, couldn't tell ya exactly.
Personally I think that's horseshit. There is no way that the events on one singular pokey little planet were enough to create or awaken the chaos gods, not in 40k, no way no how. Sacrificing an entire hive city or planet with a population of BILLIONS might get them to smile on you, but against the background on universal war, suffering, decay and intrigue, that is a single cup of water compared to a swimming pool. No way did events effecting at most a few million people give them enough of a boost to come out of effectively a coma. But then again this IS 40k and we all know the writers at GW and Black Library have absolutely zero sense of scale, so go off.
they where born before not as how we know them, they were corrupted like the entire chaos realm the war corrupted them as same time of the realm khorn honor part was something he was before the corruption i dont remember them all, at least the honor part, not the other
Fun Fact: Khorne didn't punish Skarbrand for trying to kill him (He didn't even put a chinch in Khorne's armor), it was because he was too much of a coward to not strike Khorne from the front
Couple of things: -Hades was the oldest son of Kronos -Nurgle is the oldest Chaos God as he is the god of entropy and decay so he turned up likely right at the beginning or near it. -Khorne (and Tzeench) likely came in to being during the War in Heaven because murder and death occurred on a massive scale at that point. -Khorne wasn’t really mad at Scarbrand for attacking him per se it was more that he attacked him in the back, that is dishonourable and Khorne hates that.
No, Khorne is explicitly stated to be the eldest of the siblings, with Nurgle and Tzeentch being the middle siblings and Slaanesh being considered the youngest because he didn't come into existence until the Eldar's concentrated hedonism caused Slaanesh to actualize and essentially be born. Khorne is the oldest because his domain as the god of rage, bloodshed, and conflict, is the most primal concept out of the 4 because hostility is not dependent on higher thought processes. Nurgle is often tauted as the oldest because he embodies the natural ebb and flow of the cycle of life, but the critical thing to remember is that the Chaos Gods draw power from emotions and belief, and the existential dread and grim acceptance of life that empowers Nurgle or the ambitions and schemes that empower Tzeentch only come about once intelligence forms and animals develop those higher concepts. Khorne only requires rage and aggression to form, and these things do not require higher thought processes like existential dread, ambition, or desire to form, and the berserker rage Khorne embodies actively suppresses these things, eliminating pain, fear, pleasure, guilt, dread, sadness, joy, and the higher thought processes that develop into ambition and the desire for change and improvement until the frenzy has passed. This is why Khorne is the eldest; while all the Chaos Gods need higher thought processes like hatred, depression, ambition, and desire to truly come into their own, Khorne stands apart in that the foundations for his existence took root when life was at its most feral, savage, and simplistic.
Khorne is the eldest because the only lore we have on the matter which might be old as fuck but whatever says he is. Retroactively justified by primal competition being the first thing any sentient life experiences before it becomes aware of its mortality.
@@rustkarl It's also never stated anywhere else that Nurgle or Tzeentch are older, only assumed by fans misattributing the nature of Nurgle's domain so it arbitrarily has primacy over Khorne's without actually stopping to think how and why both draw power from the mortal races instead of drawing on the universe itself as seems to be the implicit reasoning as to why one would assert that any of the Chaos Gods are older than Khorne. By that token, Slaanesh should be the oldest because it embodies the concept of positive and negative stimuli, which goes all the way back to single-celled organisms that would predate the evolution of anything resembling hostility or self-awareness, but we know that's obviously not the case.
@@Brutalyte616 sorry to ask this but can you link me to a source? I couldn’t find one for my position either with the two i normally use saying Nurgle Tzeench and Khorne are the same age (and came to be in mid M2) but they said that Khorne is currently the most powerful or greatest.
I thought that Khorne came into existence in 40k atleast doing the War in Heaven so he came into existence about 65 million years ago, but has also always been in the Warp because of time being weird in the Warp
The sea of souls was peaceful but had tides and eddies, the murder and slaughter of the old ones created storms within the sea of souls that coalesced into first Khorne from the death and wars, calming the warp then the next God tzeentch formed from the deceit and betrayal by and of the C'tan. Then with the decay and degradation of the universe nurgle oozed into existence. Then slaanesh... The eldar screwed up.
Yuuzhan Vong? Bioengineers who "respect" pain almost to the point of masochism? Warhammer has something even more fitting in this department than Tyranids... Love your videos! Both of you are great!
This was amazing I'm actively using these videos to teach my husband about lore for 40k and we both love these videos. When the extra money is available I will be on the patreon you have my word but this makes the absurd amount of lore about this crazy thing I love way easier to talk about so thank you from the bottom of my heart for making these we can't wait for more❤
Regarding the menstruation thing there's old lore about how Khorne is also a god of women and childbirth because of said regular flowing of blood. You could legitimately call on Khorne for aid during childbirth or use the time of menstruation to gain more blessings from Khorne. He'd still prefer you to go ham on someone with a chainsaw but Khorne legitimately approves of any and all bloodletting so long as it isn't some kind of weird Slaanesh thing.
I dont know how it worked in the old world but I do know that in the Age of Sigmar Khorne will actually throw Skarbrand between the realms if he needs him moved quickly. So the idea of just keep tossing him does eventually happen.
Yo loving this series so far, hope you continue! The dynamic between you two is great, and as someone who's somewhere between the two of you re: Warhammer knowledge, it's just an all-around fun time!
I really love this, it made me actually also better understand Khorne, I have my boyfriend who is also really heavy into Warhammer, but I've only managed to play the video games, and tried to understand from there, tho it hasn't always been easy, so thanks. :D
Of all the chaos gods, good old Special K is probably the most straightforward and easy to understand. He’s power metal cover art personified. Break shit, kill people, and Khorne is happy. At least, as happy as a metaphysical manifestation of hatred, rage and bloodlust can be. Plus, chainaxes are fucking dope, and almost all his Warhammer 40K followers make liberal use of chainaxes. I mean, it’s a chainsaw axe, what the hell could possibly be more metal than that???
We’ve seen with Slaanesh that a chaos god can be born when there’s a LOT of what they represent going on, so my best guess is that Khorne came into existence during the War in Heaven.
YEEEEEEEEES! THERE IS MORE! Seriously, this and Adeptus Ridiculous, there’s something so entertaining about watching someone explain Warhammer to a total newbie!
I'd say that tzeentch is probably the strongest chaos god, considering the fact that literally everything is change. Murder, that's change from life to death. Sex, that's change from in and out. Rot, that's going from fine to spoiled. It's all change. I think the only reason he doesn't end the great game is cuz then there wouldn't be more change, so he just keeps it going. Not to mention that it took all three other chaos gods to shatter him into shards.
When it comes to the ages of the Chaos Gods it gets weird because of the timey-wimey nature of the Warp. They have a date they spontaneously burst forth into existence, yet they have also always been around. For Khorne it's known that he became active enough to be conscious about the time of the early bronze age, when humans started conducting the first true wars. Before that he was more nebulous simply because no other species was waging bloodshed at high enough levels, the orkz don't count because they have their own gods.
The thing about the age of the chaos gods is that they HAD always existed, but not as sentient gods. Khorne was once less powerful than one of his hounds. But then the War in Heaven happened, the orks were existing and slowly he gained power and awoke as a fully fledged god in the medieval ages. The gods also exist outside of time but that’s a whole other thing
We learn the stuff of the chaos Gods from their cultists. Their is a story where Khorne sent some berserkers to disrupt a Slaaneshi cult from summoning a slaneeshi demon
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! CORN FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES! Edit; I forgot to mention the two top women in Khorne’s favor, one is a General in 40k who can boss around chaos marines without blinking and intimidate them if they talk back. The other is also a General in his armies in fantasy. However, she had done such a great job that he personally took her as his wife. She was granted wings, and a special shield that has a mouth with a whip tongue. I’m not sure of any other named women in his army but if you’re about murder, you’re in!
That’s surprisingly entertaining. Can’t wait to see how other xenos , primarchs and their respective chapters are going to be explained Your GF would definitely love Emperor’s Children
Somebody described really good why Khorne is the strongest god: Khorne is the good of violence and every battle and every war is worship to him, even if you don't want to, and as you know, the Motto of 40K is "There is only War in the Grimdark of the 41st Millenium.
"How do we know all this?" I always figured that the preamble in the rulebooks referencing the 'laughter of thirsting gods' was about the people playing the games and having a good time rolling dice and taking minis off the board. I've seen so many people assuming that's the chaos gods instead that I have no idea if I'm right any more lol
i am sad to announce that the friendliest of daemon bois, the slinkiest, the jolliest, the most nurgly boi, nurgle is the oldest as death and illness happened before war and honour so like we cant say that the oldest sibling is fitting the nice but would kill you vibe.
@@bag-manbaron2547the reason is that chaos as a whole is a reflection of emotions, a corrupted version of the Sea of Souls, created by the War im Heaven. Not the concept of their domain. Khorne was born out of the hate, rage and violence the Necrontyr started the war ober in the first place. Nurgle was from the fear of death and decay of body and mind. Tzeentch from sceeming of the higher minds. Khorne is about the most basic emotions, the others need at least some cognitive abilities.
every chaos god in a nutshell's nutshell. Nurgle: Supernatural garbage bag Khorne: paraplegic sociopath. Tzeetch: An indecisive mollusk. and Slannesh: Never went to rehab
The comparison at 2:38 is very apt considering both mythology and the chaos gods in general, and the fact that Ive lived through similarly described sutuations, that being said. FOR THE EMPEROR.
Actually Hades was the OLDEST one. Zeus was the youngest. They drew lots and Zeus won, I think, maybe it's just because he killed their dad and saved them. But in reality, everything will one day be part of Hades' domain, as is his right as Eldest.
Hades is in fact the oldest god of the 3 male Greek sibling gods. Cronus ate all his children except for Zeus who was the youngest child of Rhea and Cronus.
To clarify one thing with Scarbrand , Khorne wasn’t upset that he attacked him it was the fact he did it in such a dishonorable way that pissed him off
If I recall, Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch were formed during the War In Heaven. Khorne formed first from the bloody carnage, then Tzeentch from the scheming and deception during the height of the war, then Nurgle from the death and decay towards the ends. Another theory I've heard is they existed in their more positive states in the Warp, but were corrupted during the War In Heaven. Khorne's honor giving way to bloodlust, Tzeentch's hope changing to deception, and Nurgle's finality changing to stagnation and rot.
As a bit of mythology buff myself. Let me explain to you about Hades. Hades is actually the oldest of the original six gods with Zeus being the youngest of the three brothers and the six siblings. Although some sources change the story, Zeus did trick his brothers into gaining control over the heavens and the earth while Hades did get the underworld but in some other writings it said that he wanted to have the underworld knowing that Zeus wouldn't be able to handle the responsibility of it.
17:12 - I always got the impression that Khorne himself loves to fight, but he only wants a fair and challenging fight and no one apart from the Ork gods and the Eldar god of war can offer it. Either because they either can't handle him, or they cheat.
Hades was the oldest and was supposed to inherit by all rights but zuse managed to convince Poseidon to back him up on drawing lots for there domains and hades got the short end. His birth right stolen by a simple lottery
The interesting thing about the Chaos Gods, at least with 40k. They were not around as we understand them from the dawn of time. They needed enough living people to manifest at all. Due to the nature of the Warp before the War in Heaven, the war the Necrons and the Old Ones had millions of years prior. It had sent the realm of souls from a calm psychic scape of reflected thought more or less in its infancy to one far more volatile due to the sheer amount of death and destruction from the war. They may have been "created" in whatever way that means anything to them. But they weren't awake until humanity. Humans insofar as we know are the most potent present source of psychic energy to feed from. As all the Gods are by their nature warped reflections of the human psyche in one aspect of another. Hence Khorne in 40k is said to have come from when humanity was at its most violent in the Medieval era. With Nurgle shortly thereafter with the Bubonic plague. Why are humans the main source of psychich energy for the Chaos Gods? I have no idea, we just are more or less the main hunting grounds and in turn they embody the worst negative aspects of the mind and human behavior and the positive aspects. Each one carries a duality to their being and rely on upon the existence of humans to remain manifested at all. As such, they also weren't particularly powerful or noted in action compared to the Eldar Pantheon until after the fall of the Eldar and the birth of Slaanesh in the 29th millennium. So with the Space elves gone the humans were the dominant psychic force and thus so were their reflected psyche.
My partner builds and paints a bunch of the figures and today we went out and bought bloodletters for me to mess with cause of this. Might be my gateway into the hobby fun
Fun fact, hades was actually the oldest out of the big 3 in the greek pantheon. he is also very falsy villified, he is actually a pretty chill guy by comparison.
So, in 40k, the gods of chaos are somewhat the animated platonic forms of emotions from psychically attuned creatures. They sit astride this position of being entities with wills and agency, as well as being 'natural forces' that simply act per automation. So Khorne is just this ur-presece of violence and anger, and being how much of a primal expression that is.. it makes him incredibly powerful compared to pretty much everything else (including his siblings) in the multiverse. You could say/make the point that there had to be a critical saturation of psychically attuned creatures in the galaxy that bend to their violent wishes before the warp could manifest him, but from that point and onwards he is by all intents and purposes an eternal conceptual being. The psychological anguish of War and violence is HIM, and with how the critical mass allows him a degree of sentience to spread his influence.. there really is no way to get rid of Khorne unless one somehow disconnected the Warp in entirety from realspace.
My theory is the Warp is a realm of nonlinear time. So all Chaos entities have always existed in some form since the beginning of time but rise and fall from power as time goes by. So Khorne, Nurgle, even Slaanesh would all be the "same age" as far as when they were created but each came into being as a God at different times in relation to what was happening in the material universe.
Hey, hope you enjoyed the video! I got a few things mixed up here and there as my brain has been pretty scrambled recently. Also a lot of Chaos stuff is pretty confusing, especially Tzeentch.
Anyways, see you guys next time for Slaanesh!
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You can't really discuss Slaanesh without explaining the history of the Aeldari; can you?
I want to touch on it, but save the details for their own video.
You did a great job man, and I can't wait for her to know of Grandpa Nurgle lol
Just tell her about Jujutsu Kasien style
Sukuna is Khorne
Kenjaku is Tzeentch
Gojo Is Slanessh
@@RichardX1the only thing you need to explain is
They got bored as they are immortal, got horni and then murder-f*cked her into existence.
The funny thing is that Khorne wasn't mad that Scarbrand tried to kill him. He was mad that Scarbrand tried to stab him in the back because it was cowardly. If Scarbrand tried to kill Khorne in a duel, Khorne might have been impressed by his audacity.
Also doesn't like someone targeting weaker opponents so he'd hate serial killers as well cause they only prey on the weak
Not canon.
@@iamcage187 He cares not from whence it flows, only that it flows. Plus from a certain perspective a serial killer's real opponents are the people trying to stop him.
@@iamcage187It's like with the fish. Slaughtering the innocent is nice, but killing your enemy after an honorable and bloody duel gets you extra points
In that case Khorne would have propably just completely annihilated him, but I think Skarbrand would've preferred that
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lol. you have the kidney option, tho.
Warhammer is expensive but I've seen more money being thrown into MtG of all things...
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"He's my favourite"
"Awwww. I wanna know more about him"
This is the cutest thing I saw today 🥺
Goals, fucking goals mate
@@twicedeadmageWas listening to this in my car and immediately went, “That’s fucking adorable”
She deserves all the Skulls
i for some reason cannot find the time code for this and i know i heard it :c
Bit late but 5:46@@mrpaintwolf2010
My favorite Khorne story is probably Tuska Daemon Killa. Hes an Ork who fought a whole lot of demons and eventually wound up in a battle with a demon prince of Khorne. He lost naturally because Demon Prince but Khorne looked at him and his slaughtered army and went "Yall were fun so we are gonna do that again!" And so now every day Tuska and his entire army get revived by Khorne to fight the army of Khorne on this planet for really no other reason than Khorne enjoys it. For his part Tuska is quite happy with the arrangement as well
Tuska is genuinely probably the happiest being in the entire 40k setting. Dude got the foreverscrap, and all his buds get brought back to life every day so they can laugh about how they died yesterday. Thats ork heaven right there!
the orks that went to ork heaven
For Orks, a good fight is hard to find. For Tuska, he found a never ending fight, and he's a happy fungus boy
yeah ,they are cool,and they are probably really big,you know orks get bigger when they survive mortal wounds
You forgot the best part - as he was dying Tuska got in one last final blow at the Daemon Prince. Who was, at this point, towering over Tuska to deliver the final blow.
Tuska got the guy right in the crotch with his last breath, and that's just brilliant.
Khorne: *holding Angron* “This is my son, I hate him.”
Angron: “Believe me, the feeling is *very* mutual.”
Also tts worded it best…
Magnus: “Khorne will never lie, he’ll never try to trick you or stab you in the back.”
Emps: “He will just stab you in the face, over and over again. Until your face stops resembling a face.”
Please do not tell your partner that Cadia has fallen she does not have to suffer knowing that knowledge
Cadia stands.
@@jdcoolhaI am sorry but we must face reality one day
@@GwainSagaFanChannel THE PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE GUARD DID.
@@muigokublack6487 The Cadian Guard cannot be beaten it must be the planets fault
Cadia stands brother
SKARBRAND HATES GOING OUTSIDE! AND GOING INSIDE! SKARBAND SHALL STAY IN THE DOORFRAME, HE HATES IT SLIGHTLY LESS.
Actually Magnus noted that while Khrone is a god of war and death he also subscribes to the idea of "survival of the fittest" and the idea having the strength to stop evil and is surprisingly honest as Khrone will never stab you in the back, he just prefers the upfront approach of just beating you senseless.
_"HE WILL JUST STAB YOU IN THE FACE, REPEATEDLY, UNTIL YOUR FACE STOPS RESEMBLING A FACE."_
When I heard the Ringfit joke I just thought.
"SKARBRAND HATES THAT YOU DIDN'T DO ENOUGH PUSHUPS! SKARBRAND WANTS YOU TO DO MORE!"
@@jessenielsen7218 SKARBRAND HATES THAT YOU SKIPPED LEG DAY! NEVER SKIP LEG DAY!!"
SKARBRAND HATES HATE! SKARBRAND LIVES IN A STATE OF ETERNAL CONFUSION, SKARBRAND HATES CONFUSION!!!!!!
A good way to describe khorne is this "He'll never stab you in the back. That's not how he is. He'll just bury an axe in your face. He's simple like that"
Also, Khorne wasnt mad that Skarbrand had tried to kill him. He was pissed that he didnt attack him head on.
And Skarbrand didn't even do it on his own, being a Khorne archedemon, he wouldn't think of that himself. Tzeentch made him do it.
Think of a King with anger issues and an unhealthy Obsession with skulls.
No, he would never stab you in the back.
He'll stab you in the face, over and over again, until it stops remotely resembling a face.
Nah Khorne would still be mad about if he did it from the front
40K Khorne does not care about honor if the blood comes from defenseless children then so be it
@@DeathSeller-MK2this is just..untrue. Have you read the books, man?
if you guys did an episode 2, now i expect an episode for all factions and beyond!
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Khorne: Warhammer
Nurgle: Vorehammer
Tzeentch: Lorehammer
Slaanesh: Pornhammer
Nurgle: sorehammer
@@noelspillis6734 Malal: Nonhammer
Worehamme for slaanesh
Is Vorehammer for Nurgle or Slaanesh though?
@@BasicallyBaconSandvichIVSlaanesh since it's:
1. A Fetish
2. Eating a whole person is a form of excess
Hades is actually the oldest amongst the male siblings, I believe he's the middle child amongst the full sibling set
This
Yes
The actual youngest is Zeus, both among the male siblings and just overall. Hades only got stuck with the underworld because him, Poseidon, and Zeus drew lots to decide who got what and Hades literally drew the short straw.
Also he is the most chill out of the three. Generally Hades is actually pretty chill compared to the other Greek gods
@@WaltDevil060 yeah overly sarcastic productions video on Hades put it well and in good perspective
Hades is actually the oldest Greek God Zeus is the youngest but the strongest
Yeah we misspoke and got mixed up lmao
Isn’t hestia the oldest?
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Horny, Hungy, Angy, Birb...., Long ago, the four chaos gods lived in disharmony...
Only Malice, master of making everyone disappointed could stop them. But when the Warp needed them most? They vanished.
Then, everything changed when the Emperor attacked.
What i love about Khorne is that he doesnt need to do anything, the people fighting dont need to fight and kill in his name, they just need to do it, for any reason, and it makes him stronger. Absolute king. Strongest Chaos God too.
The only reason he doesn't completely dominate the other 3 is because he is straight forward while all 3 others don't mind backstabbing and scheming and as soon as 1 of them gets ahead the others will dogpile that 1.
Wasn't there a situation where a priest on a human world got so bloodthirsty during an ork invasion, that his crazed rhetoric lead the people to slaughter the orks so thouroghly that they tore a rift in the warp and triggered a khornate invadsion?
@@hole-sawbear1500
Sounds like the siege of Vraks or whatever it's called
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We guarantee a metal pipe drops in every episode.
Don't promise that.
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I can *throws pipe*
*neeegghh* i found a metal pipe. *toss*
The chaos gods kind of ARE an aesthetic. The more mortals think about the ideas they're made out of, the stronger they become, so it's all about pushing a clear brand identity. Even if it's Tzeentch and that brand identity is "Nobody knows what my next move will be."
"Not even *I* KNOW MY OWN NEXT MOVE! IT'S BRILLIANT!"
I love these videos so far. Your interactions with each other make it very entertaining
Thank you!
I think, the 3 chaos gods came into existence during the war in heaven that y'all discussed last episode. Then they kind of fell asleep during the Necron's great sleep and were awoken during the medival period. Khorne by the Crusades and other massive continent spanning wars. Followed by Nurgle during the Black Death. Then Tzeentch during the Renaissance and the end of the Medival era. I think that's the theory though, couldn't tell ya exactly.
Personally I think that's horseshit. There is no way that the events on one singular pokey little planet were enough to create or awaken the chaos gods, not in 40k, no way no how. Sacrificing an entire hive city or planet with a population of BILLIONS might get them to smile on you, but against the background on universal war, suffering, decay and intrigue, that is a single cup of water compared to a swimming pool. No way did events effecting at most a few million people give them enough of a boost to come out of effectively a coma.
But then again this IS 40k and we all know the writers at GW and Black Library have absolutely zero sense of scale, so go off.
@@Archris17 I 100% agree. But the writers deemed it so.
they where born before
not as how we know them, they were corrupted like the entire chaos realm
the war corrupted them as same time of the realm
khorn honor part was something he was before the corruption
i dont remember them all, at least the honor part, not the other
@@israeldelarosa5461 Slaanesh didn't exist until like 25K AD when the Eldar murder/banged her into existence
@@Lechuga1815 Oh lol. Sorry.
Fun Fact: Khorne didn't punish Skarbrand for trying to kill him (He didn't even put a chinch in Khorne's armor), it was because he was too much of a coward to not strike Khorne from the front
I think he did actually made a small dent. But that may depend on the version of the story.
Couple of things:
-Hades was the oldest son of Kronos
-Nurgle is the oldest Chaos God as he is the god of entropy and decay so he turned up likely right at the beginning or near it.
-Khorne (and Tzeench) likely came in to being during the War in Heaven because murder and death occurred on a massive scale at that point.
-Khorne wasn’t really mad at Scarbrand for attacking him per se it was more that he attacked him in the back, that is dishonourable and Khorne hates that.
No, Khorne is explicitly stated to be the eldest of the siblings, with Nurgle and Tzeentch being the middle siblings and Slaanesh being considered the youngest because he didn't come into existence until the Eldar's concentrated hedonism caused Slaanesh to actualize and essentially be born.
Khorne is the oldest because his domain as the god of rage, bloodshed, and conflict, is the most primal concept out of the 4 because hostility is not dependent on higher thought processes. Nurgle is often tauted as the oldest because he embodies the natural ebb and flow of the cycle of life, but the critical thing to remember is that the Chaos Gods draw power from emotions and belief, and the existential dread and grim acceptance of life that empowers Nurgle or the ambitions and schemes that empower Tzeentch only come about once intelligence forms and animals develop those higher concepts. Khorne only requires rage and aggression to form, and these things do not require higher thought processes like existential dread, ambition, or desire to form, and the berserker rage Khorne embodies actively suppresses these things, eliminating pain, fear, pleasure, guilt, dread, sadness, joy, and the higher thought processes that develop into ambition and the desire for change and improvement until the frenzy has passed.
This is why Khorne is the eldest; while all the Chaos Gods need higher thought processes like hatred, depression, ambition, and desire to truly come into their own, Khorne stands apart in that the foundations for his existence took root when life was at its most feral, savage, and simplistic.
Khorne is the eldest because the only lore we have on the matter which might be old as fuck but whatever says he is.
Retroactively justified by primal competition being the first thing any sentient life experiences before it becomes aware of its mortality.
@@rustkarl It's also never stated anywhere else that Nurgle or Tzeentch are older, only assumed by fans misattributing the nature of Nurgle's domain so it arbitrarily has primacy over Khorne's without actually stopping to think how and why both draw power from the mortal races instead of drawing on the universe itself as seems to be the implicit reasoning as to why one would assert that any of the Chaos Gods are older than Khorne.
By that token, Slaanesh should be the oldest because it embodies the concept of positive and negative stimuli, which goes all the way back to single-celled organisms that would predate the evolution of anything resembling hostility or self-awareness, but we know that's obviously not the case.
@@Brutalyte616 sorry to ask this but can you link me to a source? I couldn’t find one for my position either with the two i normally use saying Nurgle Tzeench and Khorne are the same age (and came to be in mid M2) but they said that Khorne is currently the most powerful or greatest.
Woooh! Episode 2. I'm excited.
I thought that Khorne came into existence in 40k atleast doing the War in Heaven so he came into existence about 65 million years ago, but has also always been in the Warp because of time being weird in the Warp
The sea of souls was peaceful but had tides and eddies, the murder and slaughter of the old ones created storms within the sea of souls that coalesced into first Khorne from the death and wars, calming the warp then the next God tzeentch formed from the deceit and betrayal by and of the C'tan. Then with the decay and degradation of the universe nurgle oozed into existence. Then slaanesh... The eldar screwed up.
@@RyuUramiemphasis on the screwed
Yuuzhan Vong? Bioengineers who "respect" pain almost to the point of masochism?
Warhammer has something even more fitting in this department than Tyranids...
Love your videos! Both of you are great!
Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne and milk for the khorne flakes!
Love this series! Keep it going.
Nurgle is my personal favorite Chaos God. Khorne being a close second.
Also is that a Godzilla theme in the outro?!
Yes it is! It's from the Netflix series "Singular Point".
@@NUMBSKULLS Bro I am a HUGE GODZILLA Nerd!
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I thought I recognized it too- first thing I did when I turned 18 was paying $650 for a custom Godzilla tattoo
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this was freaking hillarious, ive watch a lot of warhammer lore videos and this was the best i have ever watched. thank you so much!
THAT'S SO NICE THANK YOU.
This was amazing I'm actively using these videos to teach my husband about lore for 40k and we both love these videos. When the extra money is available I will be on the patreon you have my word but this makes the absurd amount of lore about this crazy thing I love way easier to talk about so thank you from the bottom of my heart for making these we can't wait for more❤
Regarding the menstruation thing there's old lore about how Khorne is also a god of women and childbirth because of said regular flowing of blood.
You could legitimately call on Khorne for aid during childbirth or use the time of menstruation to gain more blessings from Khorne.
He'd still prefer you to go ham on someone with a chainsaw but Khorne legitimately approves of any and all bloodletting so long as it isn't some kind of weird Slaanesh thing.
i think you forgot "Karanak, The Hound of Vengeance" it's the personal 3 headed pet of Khorn, it send his pet when he want someone extra dead for sure
I love ya drawing for Khorne, he looks so chibi and yet so adorably edgy
Tell her about the orkz next please they’re the best
I dont know how it worked in the old world but I do know that in the Age of Sigmar Khorne will actually throw Skarbrand between the realms if he needs him moved quickly. So the idea of just keep tossing him does eventually happen.
Rewatching this video, I'm reminded why I absolutely love you guys' channel. You two are so sweet and fun to watch, it's impossible not to come back.
Yo loving this series so far, hope you continue! The dynamic between you two is great, and as someone who's somewhere between the two of you re: Warhammer knowledge, it's just an all-around fun time!
So excited for the next one, you and your girlfriend are delightful
From these 2 videos, your girlfriend seems like a wonderful person, you are a very lucky dude.
I really love this, it made me actually also better understand Khorne, I have my boyfriend who is also really heavy into Warhammer, but I've only managed to play the video games, and tried to understand from there, tho it hasn't always been easy, so thanks. :D
Of all the chaos gods, good old Special K is probably the most straightforward and easy to understand. He’s power metal cover art personified. Break shit, kill people, and Khorne is happy. At least, as happy as a metaphysical manifestation of hatred, rage and bloodlust can be. Plus, chainaxes are fucking dope, and almost all his Warhammer 40K followers make liberal use of chainaxes. I mean, it’s a chainsaw axe, what the hell could possibly be more metal than that???
Khorne has a personal interior decorator
When you two do other factions, don't skimp on the Sisters of Silence, they may be outnumbered, but that doesn't make them any less dangerous
I love khorn, but her saying "So everyone should just talk" Makes me want her to learn about the Tau so badly. lol
part 2??? HELLL YEAH!!
i need moreee
We’ve seen with Slaanesh that a chaos god can be born when there’s a LOT of what they represent going on, so my best guess is that Khorne came into existence during the War in Heaven.
YEEEEEEEEES! THERE IS MORE! Seriously, this and Adeptus Ridiculous, there’s something so entertaining about watching someone explain Warhammer to a total newbie!
I'd say that tzeentch is probably the strongest chaos god, considering the fact that literally everything is change. Murder, that's change from life to death. Sex, that's change from in and out. Rot, that's going from fine to spoiled. It's all change. I think the only reason he doesn't end the great game is cuz then there wouldn't be more change, so he just keeps it going. Not to mention that it took all three other chaos gods to shatter him into shards.
Randomly stumbled upon the Orks video. This is a great series and you guys have awesome comedic chemistry.
Blood for the blood god!
Skulls for the skull throne!
Milk for the Khorne Flakes!
The thing I keep seeing is that khorne was not angry that skarbrand attacked him but that khorne had his back tuned to skarbrand when he attacked
Just found this channel, you both are adorable to listen to. The lore + jokes to simplify w40k are entertaining
5:48 is an incredibly sweet and supportive moment. I wish nothing but the best for Ava and Kari
The reason Khorne hated that skarbrand attacked him is because Skarbrand attacked him from behind not from the front like a true warrior.
When it comes to the ages of the Chaos Gods it gets weird because of the timey-wimey nature of the Warp. They have a date they spontaneously burst forth into existence, yet they have also always been around. For Khorne it's known that he became active enough to be conscious about the time of the early bronze age, when humans started conducting the first true wars. Before that he was more nebulous simply because no other species was waging bloodshed at high enough levels, the orkz don't count because they have their own gods.
This is a really fun and cute conceit for an old beardy player who's spent years to get my wife into playing 40K.
There's another popular meme called "List of Khornate massacres"
I absolutely love you and your girlfriend im new to Warhammer lore and this is a fun way to learn things
Another theory is that Corn was created during the war in heaven which makes sense considering all the violance that was happening
The idea of Khorne having a high number of female followers is actually rather humerous. Make it cannon, GW.
The drawings just make this so much better.
Great work, hope you make more!
TTS summed up Khorne the best "He will never try to stab you in the back, he will just stab you in the face. Repeatedly."
The thing about the age of the chaos gods is that they HAD always existed, but not as sentient gods. Khorne was once less powerful than one of his hounds. But then the War in Heaven happened, the orks were existing and slowly he gained power and awoke as a fully fledged god in the medieval ages. The gods also exist outside of time but that’s a whole other thing
One is hungy
One is horny
One is tricky
One is angy
Khornes form of honor is letting them know your killing them
We learn the stuff of the chaos Gods from their cultists. Their is a story where Khorne sent some berserkers to disrupt a Slaaneshi cult from summoning a slaneeshi demon
Yes a second one! God please do more of these, hell even longer I would watch / listen too.
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
CORN FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES!
Edit; I forgot to mention the two top women in Khorne’s favor, one is a General in 40k who can boss around chaos marines without blinking and intimidate them if they talk back.
The other is also a General in his armies in fantasy. However, she had done such a great job that he personally took her as his wife. She was granted wings, and a special shield that has a mouth with a whip tongue.
I’m not sure of any other named women in his army but if you’re about murder, you’re in!
I'm trying to remember, isn't Valkia's shield the face of a Keeper of Secrets (greater daemon of Slaanesh)?
I love to think Skulltaker, Kharn and Skarbrand constantly go to war with each other over which of them is more favored by Khorne.
That’s surprisingly entertaining. Can’t wait to see how other xenos , primarchs and their respective chapters are going to be explained
Your GF would definitely love Emperor’s Children
Somebody described really good why Khorne is the strongest god: Khorne is the good of violence and every battle and every war is worship to him, even if you don't want to, and as you know, the Motto of 40K is "There is only War in the Grimdark of the 41st Millenium.
Hades was the oldest, he just lost a bet.
I just checked, we do say "youngest", don't we? I guess we got mixed up lol!
"How do we know all this?"
I always figured that the preamble in the rulebooks referencing the 'laughter of thirsting gods' was about the people playing the games and having a good time rolling dice and taking minis off the board. I've seen so many people assuming that's the chaos gods instead that I have no idea if I'm right any more lol
i am sad to announce that the friendliest of daemon bois, the slinkiest, the jolliest, the most nurgly boi, nurgle is the oldest as death and illness happened before war and honour so like we cant say that the oldest sibling is fitting the nice but would kill you vibe.
No in lore Khorne is the oldest for some goddamn reason
@@bag-manbaron2547the reason is that chaos as a whole is a reflection of emotions, a corrupted version of the Sea of Souls, created by the War im Heaven. Not the concept of their domain.
Khorne was born out of the hate, rage and violence the Necrontyr started the war ober in the first place. Nurgle was from the fear of death and decay of body and mind. Tzeentch from sceeming of the higher minds.
Khorne is about the most basic emotions, the others need at least some cognitive abilities.
every chaos god in a nutshell's nutshell. Nurgle: Supernatural garbage bag Khorne: paraplegic sociopath. Tzeetch: An indecisive mollusk. and Slannesh: Never went to rehab
Khorne is cool asexual representation tbh
He identifies as a threat.
@@NUMBSKULLSKhorne’s pronouns are kill/you
The comparison at 2:38 is very apt considering both mythology and the chaos gods in general, and the fact that Ive lived through similarly described sutuations, that being said. FOR THE EMPEROR.
Actually Hades was the OLDEST one. Zeus was the youngest. They drew lots and Zeus won, I think, maybe it's just because he killed their dad and saved them. But in reality, everything will one day be part of Hades' domain, as is his right as Eldest.
skarbrand is such a badass his two axes are other bloodthirsters he defeated and bond them to the axes
Hades is in fact the oldest god of the 3 male Greek sibling gods. Cronus ate all his children except for Zeus who was the youngest child of Rhea and Cronus.
To clarify one thing with Scarbrand , Khorne wasn’t upset that he attacked him it was the fact he did it in such a dishonorable way that pissed him off
Funfact. When the World Eaters were installing the Butcher Nails. There were World Eaters that said "man we better get outta here"
If I recall, Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch were formed during the War In Heaven. Khorne formed first from the bloody carnage, then Tzeentch from the scheming and deception during the height of the war, then Nurgle from the death and decay towards the ends.
Another theory I've heard is they existed in their more positive states in the Warp, but were corrupted during the War In Heaven. Khorne's honor giving way to bloodlust, Tzeentch's hope changing to deception, and Nurgle's finality changing to stagnation and rot.
Hades was the oldest one, he was just the chillest so he didn't care about getting the worst job
Hearing someone so enthusiastically shout "IT'S THE GREEKS!!!!" about my favorite faction(s) is always going to put a smile on my face
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22:50 Hades is the oldest brother of the three and Zeus is the youngest. They essentially drew straws to determine their domain
As a bit of mythology buff myself. Let me explain to you about Hades. Hades is actually the oldest of the original six gods with Zeus being the youngest of the three brothers and the six siblings. Although some sources change the story, Zeus did trick his brothers into gaining control over the heavens and the earth while Hades did get the underworld but in some other writings it said that he wanted to have the underworld knowing that Zeus wouldn't be able to handle the responsibility of it.
17:12 - I always got the impression that Khorne himself loves to fight, but he only wants a fair and challenging fight and no one apart from the Ork gods and the Eldar god of war can offer it. Either because they either can't handle him, or they cheat.
The best compliment you can get from Khorne or a Khornate Demon: "I hate you less."
I love how the Yuuzhan Vong got referenced in a warhammer video.
This makes me happy.
god just listening to a dude discuss something he is passionate about is rly therapeutic. pls dont stop with these!!!
Hades was the oldest and was supposed to inherit by all rights but zuse managed to convince Poseidon to back him up on drawing lots for there domains and hades got the short end. His birth right stolen by a simple lottery
The interesting thing about the Chaos Gods, at least with 40k. They were not around as we understand them from the dawn of time. They needed enough living people to manifest at all. Due to the nature of the Warp before the War in Heaven, the war the Necrons and the Old Ones had millions of years prior. It had sent the realm of souls from a calm psychic scape of reflected thought more or less in its infancy to one far more volatile due to the sheer amount of death and destruction from the war. They may have been "created" in whatever way that means anything to them. But they weren't awake until humanity.
Humans insofar as we know are the most potent present source of psychic energy to feed from. As all the Gods are by their nature warped reflections of the human psyche in one aspect of another. Hence Khorne in 40k is said to have come from when humanity was at its most violent in the Medieval era. With Nurgle shortly thereafter with the Bubonic plague. Why are humans the main source of psychich energy for the Chaos Gods? I have no idea, we just are more or less the main hunting grounds and in turn they embody the worst negative aspects of the mind and human behavior and the positive aspects. Each one carries a duality to their being and rely on upon the existence of humans to remain manifested at all. As such, they also weren't particularly powerful or noted in action compared to the Eldar Pantheon until after the fall of the Eldar and the birth of Slaanesh in the 29th millennium. So with the Space elves gone the humans were the dominant psychic force and thus so were their reflected psyche.
"So the gluttonous one would be more powerful if this were Vorehammer?"
I mean, certain definitions of gluttonous do indeed fit Slaanesh's MO
I made the mistake of discovering this series too early to binge it!
Just found this channel like 30 minutes ago and I’m hooked.
My partner builds and paints a bunch of the figures and today we went out and bought bloodletters for me to mess with cause of this. Might be my gateway into the hobby fun
Fun fact, hades was actually the oldest out of the big 3 in the greek pantheon. he is also very falsy villified, he is actually a pretty chill guy by comparison.
So, in 40k, the gods of chaos are somewhat the animated platonic forms of emotions from psychically attuned creatures. They sit astride this position of being entities with wills and agency, as well as being 'natural forces' that simply act per automation. So Khorne is just this ur-presece of violence and anger, and being how much of a primal expression that is.. it makes him incredibly powerful compared to pretty much everything else (including his siblings) in the multiverse.
You could say/make the point that there had to be a critical saturation of psychically attuned creatures in the galaxy that bend to their violent wishes before the warp could manifest him, but from that point and onwards he is by all intents and purposes an eternal conceptual being. The psychological anguish of War and violence is HIM, and with how the critical mass allows him a degree of sentience to spread his influence.. there really is no way to get rid of Khorne unless one somehow disconnected the Warp in entirety from realspace.
My theory is the Warp is a realm of nonlinear time. So all Chaos entities have always existed in some form since the beginning of time but rise and fall from power as time goes by. So Khorne, Nurgle, even Slaanesh would all be the "same age" as far as when they were created but each came into being as a God at different times in relation to what was happening in the material universe.