For roughly the first 12 years of my life, I was in a wheelchair so seeing Bently in this tricked out wheelchair helping him to do everything he needs to do in the third game, it was a big highlight to me as a kid. I had seen enough characters fall down the hole of “I’m trapped in the chair” rather than the more optimistic “the chair is something that helps me do what I couldn’t otherwise do”
You might like one of the main characters in Xtreme Ghostbusters, then. He's in a wheelchair, but still actively plays basketball with people and is probably one of the most proactive of the main cast. He's got some arrogance to him as well, but he doesn't let the wheelchair define who he is. (although he does one time play the sad card to a bunch of feds or something so he can be free to help his friends).
I think I’m the only person who actually liked the 2nd chapter. I loved the ominous, creepy feel to it. I was one of those kids that was intrigued by things that creeped me out.
I like Chapter 2, but it had some of my least favorite missions. There's the Claw one J mentions, I find the scorpion to be pretty lame, and the crocodile one gets monotonous fast. That being said, I love the atmosphere and general look a lot, and while the MODE does get as much buildup or screentime as the other villains - Dr. M included - the stuff he does get does a good job establishing the intrigue and potential danger they would unleash if ever brought outside the Outback. All things said, Chapter 5's still my least favorite in 3 nowadays. That second half with the boat is something I went from tolerating to never looking forward to nowadays.
Sly 3 was my introduction to the Sly trilogy. I remember sitting in my neighbor's bedroom and becoming enthralled by these characters. And I remember finishing Sly 3 in my own living room, crying a bit, thinking that Sly actually had amnesia and his friendships, his struggles, his triumphs had all been wiped away. This game also molded me as a person, though it had felt weird to admit until this point. The trilogy taught me what storytelling could be. My love of creating stories stemmed from these games. Sure are they the epitome of storytelling? Of course not, but the way the story impacted me was so much more profound than any movie or book I had seen or read up to that point. Time has told that these games have left a mark on the fans in such a overwhelmingly positive way that we have never truly left them behind. We have all moved forward from our playthroughs having gained something from them. A good experience or a lifelong lesson. The love Sucker Punch poured into these games wasn't for naught. I'm perfectly content with the story ending with the trilogy. With how much I adored these games (and still do), that hardest lesson was that stories come to an end. But I've seen everything, it's time to go outside. And I will attest, having gotten my niece, nephew, and my closest friends into these games, that witnessing others experience them for the first time is like reliving the magic all over again. These reviews were wonderful, J!
Sly 3 was a good close. Its theme of not obsessing over legacies or status built after generations is truly wholesome (and I don't see that a lot in games). The characters are at their peak here (especially Bentley the GOAT) and that's how it should be in the finale. One of the most underappreciated game trilogies.
What a perfect way to end the month. I really enjoyed your third time tackling the Sly games J and real ones would remember how this exact trilogy was what kick started your channel. Thanks for the great trilogy and can’t wait to see your next few projects. Also I do hope you’ll cover RE4 before the release of the remake in a few months :))
I played the sht out of the demo for this game with my sister back when we had the PS2. So you bet I went ahead and bought the full games after that. And I am so glad I did, it's a wonderful trilogy and I love looking back on it and all of its positive messages throughout the story about bonds that go deeper than expectations left by those in the past. Thank you for covering these games one last time. I found your channel thanks to this the first time around and now we're here. Honestly now I'm jumping aboard the Sonic games (late af lol) but I'll definitely be sticking around for those reviews and any other future games you may go over 💖
Dude I've played these games likes 100 times a piece. The last 5 minutes made me finally realize I'm not alone in my feelings of sly. Favorite games ever, but I wish I could recapture the first time magic feelings. First Canadian level with the trains and the music gets me everytime still
That was a nice conclusion. Sly 3's ending is so heartwarming to me. I don't remember if I was waiting for a Sly 4 when I finished Sly 3 as a kid but when it was teased in The Sly Trilogy on PS3, I was so hyped... I only played it once, on release, and never touched it again because I found it... disappointing, yeah. I should give it another try but I can't really forgive the writing of that game. (Especially what they did with Penelope) At this point I'd rather see a Trilogy Remake than a sequel... Or a reboot like Ratchet and Clank ? I hope they'll do something for Sly eventually, but I can wait, the original 3 Sly games are still there.
Dude, the end of your video: *chefs kiss*! You're right, Sly 3, while maybe not held in as a high regard as Sly 2 is still a pretty damn great game. Even as a boy, that ending to Sly 3 hit hard. And for all you've shared in this video is a testament to how people & things change (for better/worse), and they should be accepted for how they are. I'm also glad you didn't bash on Sly 4 in this video, I don't know that much about the game, but I do know that it's just majorly disappointing & might just be over hated. Either way, I'm glad you also shared those memories you had of your time playing this trilogy, it made me get sentimental about the games I used to play as a kid. Keep up the great work J.
13:32 seriously this is the best mission.. I remember when the demo came out it was the lemonade mission and I played it over and over and over again.. when the game came out I demolished that mission lmaoo😂
@@eamonndeane587 unfortnately no I didn't which is sad because I love the sly cooper franchise and I would love to do a playthrough of all the games but unfortnately due to sony not doing backwards compatibility to the sly cooper series and not having the access to a elgato to stream these games I unfortnately never got a chance to stream these games or make a playthrough.
thank you for making these videos on the trilogy!! I havent played the games in years but watching your videos over the past few weeks reminded me how great the games were. I'm so tempted to buy the 20th anniversary shirt now
Sly 4 never happened in my world... I love the orginal sly cooper trilogy, it was one of the first games I played, along with spyro. I looked into 4 and decided that 3 was how it ended so I didn't need to play 4. Lol
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I really enjoyed these retrospectives. I played Sly 2 over and over as a kid back in the 00's and never got around to playing Sly 3 until last year when I had some time to run through the trilogy. Sly 3 isn't a perfect game but it was a deeply satisfying conclusion to the series and I feel you really hit the nail on the head in this video.
Okay, so, Sly 3 is MY personal favorite Sly game. I said this in the last vid (or maybe it was the first vid, who knows~), but I played Sly 1 and then went to Sly 3. Sly 1 was a household name, but Sly 3 was special because that was a birthday gift of mine. I had little idea what went down in Sly 2 and I wouldn't until I got my hands on Sly 2 in 2009 or so. Sly 2 is most certainly a great game, but Sly 3 is special. Is it bias? Yeah, it most likely is, but I can't help it. However, I personally think that most of the game's story being told in flashback DOES remove a good amount of tension since the story isn't being told in order like Sly 1, 2, and 4 are. Like, Episode 5's Operation/finale had a fake out where Sly got blown up by Captain LeFwee's clever trick... But we know that Sly is gonna end up in the hands of one of Dr. M's mutant experiments because the Prologue shown us so... Yeah, Sly is okay (for now). As for Bentley feeling a bit of jealousy towards Sly? That's been a thing since day one, yo~ Sly 3 didn't just make it up. Sly 1 had shown that Bentley was the ONLY member of the gang to remain at the safe house while Sly and even Murray went out in the field. Sly 2 had shown us that Bentley is deathly afraid of being out in the field, but deep down he wants to prove to others and himself that he's capable. Episode 4 is where he's definitely more confident. Throughout Sly 2, he gradually got more and more comfortable...Then the ending happened. But as I definitely said in the last vid, uh, Bentley being in a wheelchair is the best thing to have happened to him as jacked up as that sounds. Of course, Bentley wishes he could walk again, but... He's certainly made the best out of his situation. He's somehow even MORE agile in a wheelchair than on his own feet! But Sly 3 is where Bentley's insecurities are more plainly stated which the past few games made more subtle. It started with Episode 3 where Bentley felt envious that Penelope seemed more interested in Sly and it kept building up. Bentley even confessed to his insecurities to Penelope in Episode 5 and in Episode 6, hearing Dr. M's rage over his own Cooper Gang back in the day has caused Bentley to consider things. Ultimately, Bentley sticks with the gang, because they're family. I don't think Sly ever took his teammates for granted and that moment where Sly asks if Bentley and Murray would like to join him always make me choke up a little. Hoooowever, this game does unfortunately have some ramifications in regards to the sequel... The whole faking amnesia thing. I could be in the minority here but... Yeah, Sly was lying about his amnesia but... Uh, Carmelita definitely went along with it and even lied herself about Sly being his cop partner. Granted, Sly 4 DOES have Carmelita herself point out that she was lying too, but it's kind of a weird plot point given that both of them were equally lying. But again, minority. And then we got Penelope. I don't think I gotta talk about her, right? Maybe? Yeah, I'm not. I still feel betrayed. XD
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Replaying all the Sly games, I never realized how much I liked the bottles and treasures in 2 and 4. Sly 3 not having that takes away from the content more than I would have expected.
For me, Sly 3 is the best of them all. Sly 2 is slightly better at level design, writing and villains, but the quality of the mission is 3 categories up to the other 3 chapters of the serie. When i played Sly 2 for the first time, i found the last chapters a little boring, because all the game followed a specific pattern and the missions weren't too much different one from the other. Sly 3 has made something impossible, has made every mission worth playing and unique. Sly 3 is the symbol of the pattern that I'd love to see the saga follow, we got the most playable characters, the most boss fights, the best boss fights, the most balanced difficulty (Sly 1, 2, 4 were all too easy imo). The worst part of the game (chapter 2) is still pretty good because the missions are still fantastic. Also, i loved even the minigames. If Sly 3 had at least 2 years of development, imagine how rifined this game could've been. Imagine Sly 3 with more complex maps, maybe even more and larger maps, with things to do in free roaming like for Sly 2; more inside places where you could still go even after their missions; better graphics; possibility to use the other members of the roster as playable characters in the free roam... This game could've been hands down as the best platform ever.
This video came out in the best possible time. I love Sly Cooper and have very found memories of the product Sucker Punch produced in the PS2 era, and this week I was able to acquire a PS5 and the first game I will be playing is Sly's Grandson/Spiritual Successor in Ghost of Tsushima. Looking forward to that.
Honestly would be happy with a remaster. up the resolution and aliasing for newer hardware if not a crash or spyro triology remake. feel like if toys for bob got their hands on the ip they'd do it well
While, Personally Sly 3 is my favorite. I cam admit a big reason is it was the one I had the most time with until I was old enough to get all of them myself and I kind of take in the series as a whole with how I like it. I can't rank them from best to worst because I like each one for what it brings
This series was great. Yours and Sly. Still, I have one question, whenever you said that Megaman X was designed for endless replayability compared to Sly 2 & 3, what exactly did you mean by that? I'll probably watch those retrospectives on later, but personally I've always been a "one and done" kind of player for stuff like that, so I never really knew how to approach games from that angle.
Good question. With Mega Man, part of the appeal is learning what boss order is the correct one. With a second playthrough, you can get through much faster because of this knowledge. In a Mega Man X game, repeat playthroughs gives you more knowledge on how to collect every item with more efficiency. This element of the series growing in more complexity with each sub series. Sly can be played repeatedly, I’ve done it, obviously. But the main difference is that Sly is meant to be more of a total package you experience. You can’t skip cutscenes in the trilogy, for example. The games were more based on around every aspect forming a memorable experience, rather than the gameplay itself providing endless amounts of replay value.
I've watched your recent 3 episodes now, they're nicely done. Bit disappointed that you didn't talk that much about the multiplayer of Sly 3 though, they were really fun to goof around with friends in. Imo even though they were disconnected from the main story, they were a big part of the games appeal. Maybe an idea for a short bonus video?
I’m probably the only person who thinks Thieves in Time gets too much hate but it’s also the only game I’ve beaten, and I played the crap out of it when I was younger. I don’t think I’ve gotten past the second episode in any of the other games.
Must be annoying for you to have Carmelita always changing voice. In my language they all stayed the same even in Sly 4 now I like the chracters' voices so much, it's hard getting used to the original English ones.
I do think 3 is better than 2, an opinion I've only switched to recently after playing them again. I feel like 2 heavily relies on peaking during memorable cutscenes while having somewhat lackluster missions. 3 has more variety. More interacting with characters. More interesting missions. Better playforming sections. Usually better world maps and level design. I really think the thing with 2 is those high peaks it reaches are Starry Eyed Encounter, the inital jailing and jailbreak of Sly, and the very final cutscene. The rest is good but nothing truly amazing or special. I think the only moment 3 has like that is the final cutscene with Sly and Carmelita finally hooking up. However 3 has more consistent solid things happening throughout. Dealing with Dmitri, the entire Opera and Holland levels, cooperating with the Panda King, I've also always loved the pirate level. I think sly 3 has a better average level of quality, with 2 having a few more spurts of total brilliance.
This was my first Sly and to me it’s the best. After this I’ve tried 1st and 2nd and to me original Sly Cooper is OK, don’t think it’s a bad game it’s just allright. Then I played Sly 2 and I can say that Sly 2 had better story imo, but Sly 3 improves on everything that made Sly 2 good (exepct removing treasures that I don’t like) and that is why Sly 3 is the best imo.
My least favorite ia sly 1. It just didnt have much going on. Sly 3 was... a bit schizo, but still had well-done control and gameplay, and never got samey.
I mainly want a Sly 5 just to resolve the cliff hanger. I don't need Sly Cooper games to come out forever but it annoys me everytime I remember the cannon story has Sly stranded with no resolution. it's one of the main reasons I hate Sly4 although I had moderate amount of fun while playing it. I just want the new story arc resolved before moving on.
Personally I really disliked the rc section of the General Tsao heist, not sure if I just didnt like it because I sucked at it. But it was always frustrating.
Even though Sly 3 is my least favorite, I still enjoy it for being different and being enjoyable...the story, not quite memorable, but still interesting. Gameplaywise, it's fun as hell. So...I gotta give 3 some credit.
I have a physical disability and I thought it was pretty cool playing as a character in a wheelchair. Not something you usually get to do and I wish there were more ideas around the concept
Sly 2 had an intense story with mystery. Sly 3 was more simple and felt more linear since you already knew where the story was going. But they added so many new fun things
2 and 3 also feel like they cover different elements of Sly 1. Sly 2 was about the aftermath of Clockwerk's defeat and how Sly deals with it, whereas Sly 3 was about the Cooper legacy and how it affects Sly
I always thought the "I'm building a time machine to find out!" line was just meant to be a tongue in cheek throwaway line for laughs, highlighting that Bentley is so intelligent that even time travel isn'tabove him, but a lot of people jumped on that as a literal teaser for Sly 4. I think you summed up the message of this game perfectly
Sea of thieves before Sea of thieves 😂 had a few mates on the pc ask me "have you played SOT?" Had a look and just laughed and proceeded to show em dead man tells no tales... they said "fair enough" 😂
Sly 3 was the first Sly game I ever played, & I can say confidently that it’s my personal favorite. My only problem is the very end, where it feels like they’re are just throwing EVERY single thing at you. The plane, the raft, the fucking RC car, the stupid Guru shark thing, Demetri’s stupid deep diving segment that you need Ultra Instinct to get passed, it’s just a bit too much. I get they were going for the whole “team effort” thing, but there are ways they could’ve done that without it feel like some asshole named Larry said “Why don’t we just use the rest of our assets at the end of the game ?” & then some other asshole named Tom said “Oh that’s a great idea Larry !”
I think personally a big reason why I struggle with "letting go" of the Sly trilogy to a point, despite having found the appreciation for how lucky we are that it even exists, is because there are *no* games like Sly. No alternatives to scratch that same itch, no matter how many weeks I scourge through unknown indies or forgotten AAA games. For now, I'd like to think I'm in a decent middle ground of appreciating everything we got, but also appreciating anything (respectable) we might get... like the anniversary poster. Even small things are just pure positives.
The way I see Bentley's musing about his place in the gang is that he's merely pondering. From his position, he finally managed to get Sly into the place he wanted to be, through many trials and tribulations in bringing more people together for that task. The grand goal of Sly 3 is completely for Sly's benefit. So, after it's achieved, and he gets a moment alone with Murray, he simply thinks about his place in life. He wonders what it would be like if it was the worst situation possible, that he and Murray are just being used by Sly. And, to me at least, wondering what life COULD be, better or worse, is a natural thing to do when your mind is allowed to wonder. I don't think Bentley legitimately felt these things, but he wanted to question it regardless. Murray's words serve to reaffirm that life isn't what it could've been. It's much better than that.
To be honest, as a kid when I played the games, I never realized the story about facing the past, dealing with the trauma, and then letting it go. I have my own trauma that just a few weeks ago I was finally able to talk and think about it. And part of the letting go and moving on is something that well... I feel that I need to do to... I just have no idea what to do and that's kinda scary.
ive been in a wheelchair for basically my whole life so playing as bently was just the coolest thing as a kid and is a big reason why i love sly 3 so much.
I like the prologue of Sly 3. Giving you a sneak peek of the party members you'll meet throughout the game by having them silhouetted. Heck, Atlus did a homage to this with Persona 5's intro which is why I always name my Phantom Thieves the "Cooper Gang".
On the one hand, I doubt Atlus took inspiration from Sly as it just feels they aren't the types to take inspiration from games that aren't RPG's and stories that aren't like, classic detective stories. On the other hand naming the Phantom Thieves the Cooper gang slaps hard, so I'll acceot this head-canon for now.
Sly 3 being made in a year is honestly pretty impressive. In some ways it is just Sly 2 with some changes, but they really went all in with the gameplay for Sly 3 imo. Each area had a new mechanic or minigame at some point, and still had every bit of character as in Sly 2. In terms of story I still love Sly 2 more, but for gameplay I'd probably pick Sly 3.
Gotta say, I absolutely love the sentiment that "hey, if a new game comes out I'll be there. But till then, I'm happy with the fact that I got a chance to see this series through."
Yeah, I think the fandom, as a collective, are best looking at Sly this way, instead of being absorbed by every fake leak that comes out. Haven't gotten to watch the dub on Issue 2, but I hope to get around to it soon, btw!
This is honestly the best way to view not just Sly, but a lot of other franchises as well. Some series do deserve a sequel or continuation, but it's great to have what we have from them, and they can stand on their own without the continuation. Honestly, even if there was no Sly 4 I would still be happy with Sly being where it's at even if it's never continued
I could never get over Sly letting a guy who helped k*ll his father on his team for the ultimate heist. Like I get Panda King is regretful of his actions and has grown past his former self and seeks redemption. I can understand Sly learning to forgive him, but letting him join the gang to help break into the Cooper vault feels a step too far.
Finally someone says it. I hated that too. HOW do you get over someone killing your parents?! I don’t get it. It gave me bad vibes throughout the whole game
It looks like the themes of the game jumped right over your head because it encourages to move on and to not to be in the past, people change and not talking to them due to an action that happened 30 years ago is contradicting that theme.
I don’t recall Sly ever forgiving him; he just says that they both have changed and need to move on. It just seemed like a mutually beneficial, but temporary, alliance to me. The dialogue between them even implies this; they’re never fully comfortable with each other. EDIT: Actually, when looking at the definition of “forgiveness”, Sly did indeed forgive the Panda King, so I stand corrected on that.
What a great love letter to Sly! I used to think 3 had too much variety, but having recently replayed it again the variety feels pretty good but not all of it gets used enough like Dimitri and Panda King. I also used to think playing with the 3D glasses on was rad and groundbreaking, but that didn't age as well lol
Sly 2 for the levels, Sly 3 for all the different stuff you could do in it. I only ever played the third and then the second one. I've actually only completed Sly 3 two times (one as a child and the second time just a couple years ago, so the ending was actually somewhat new to me), but Sly 2 I've completed almost ten times.
Absolutely loved the video mate, especially the ending. Sly 3 for me was such an upgrade compared to 2. The gameplay had more variety, and while a lot of that was weird mini-games, they all felt way more polished and fun than any of the ones in 2. Also, the improvements to Bently and Murray immediately make it way more fun to play imo, as that was one of my biggest gripes with 2. When it comes to the story, I totally get where you're coming from in terms of the structure. As a narrative, I think Sly 2 is structured better, as each chapter moves the plot forward in meaningful ways. However, I see Sly 3's structure being a lot like the first games. Each chapter is relatively self contained, but they're all leading up to the final goal, and in Sly 3's case, I think it's a lot more exciting than Sly 1's. I think you hit the nail on the head with the thematic breakdown and the games ending. It's a message I wish more gamers would take on, especially with these older platforming series (Jak). It's ok for things to end. It doesn't mean you no longer love that thing, it just means it's time to move on. I of course have to draw parallels to Jak in this case. The gameplay and story telling potential was never fully realised in the Jak series. They could have easily made another trilogy before reaching the ceiling, and while it would be interesting to see what that would look like, I respect ND and the series for deciding to end it when they did. It left us with a terrific trilogy that wrapped up nicely, and left us with some great memories. It's the same with the Sly trilogy. I'd much rather a handful of excellent experiences, than a series that drags on well past its due date (Ratchet). Which is why Sly 4's existence frustrates me. Even though it is pretty damn fun, and even if the writing was good (it's not), I'd rather it wasn't made. Or if it was, leave our main cast alone, as their arcs are complete. A great idea I've heard is that it should have explored Sly's ancestors, and each chapter focuses on a different one. I'm rambling at this point, but I really enjoyed the video my guy!
I really appreciate you pointing out the terrible economy in Sly 3 with JUST pickpocket grinding. Because on my last run I tried getting every new power up each time they appeared. And it was hell very quickly.
Sly 3 has always been my favorite of the trilogy. Bentley and Murray are just leagues better than in Sly 2, I think all the new playable characters are fun and inject good yet consistent variety (if that seeming contradiction makes sense), the hub worlds are more smartly designed than many of Sly 2's (making navigating easier as everyone and having more clear and striking landmarks), the variety removes what I felt was Sly 2's weakest aspect of constantly reusing the same mission types (turret missions, hacking, pickpocket x amount of enemies, etc.), and I think the story being a much more personal journey for the gang hits me much harder than Sly 2 devolving into a crazy plot to hypnotize the world to be hateful. Really my only complaints are the lack of clue bottles (which I think would have been super fun in this game due to the afore-mentioned improved hubs) and the inability to select the new gang members from the safehouse. It might sound like I'm hating on Sly 2, but I'm not. I just think that Sly 3 takes what it set up and refined it, then ran with it. Anyway it's just nice to see you revisit this game with a more measured take, so this is cool!
Sly cooper 3 is just easily one of my favorite games of all time, and the favorite of the series. It's just crazy to me how the Portuguese dub sounds so much better than the English one, caracthers have so much more emotion
Great video. Growing up, I would always say that my favorite game of all time was a tie between Sly 2 and Sly 3. Sly 2 for the story and atmosphere. And Sly 3 for the gameplay and humor. Over the years, I have given Sly 2 the slight edge over Sly 3, but both of these games will forever hold a special place in my heart.
I'm glad you actually started to see some more of the hidden side. I wondered about it myself when I first played the game back in the day. I was 15 when this game came out but I didn't put it all together till I was in college. That was when I saw that they wanted new challenges and new ips like Infamous and eventually Ghost of Tsushima. And at the time I was also looking forward to the fun of playing the next Sly game. I won't deny I was a little upset about that cliffhanger. But anymore, I don't think it's Sanzaru's fault. They tried to make the best sequel possible and stumbled. Not unlike a few of the stumblings of the originals. Not sure if you read fanfics or anything but you might check a good sequel one out. The author's name is EikaPrime. They've written two sequel stories including adding more ancestors.
The biggest disappointment for me in this game is that you couldn’t properly play in and explore the final level like all the other levels. The multiplayer was also fun
I agree with most things about this video except for the fact that the Cooper Cave is some symbol of the Cooper family being lonely and such. If Sly 4 showed us anything it's that the Cooper family each usually had some family or friendship to them. Ninja Sly - Had his Restuarant Cowboy Sly - He got Cowboy Charisma, so he must've had some comrades he drank with and girls to court Caveman Sly - He had those animals he trained in and must've ended up finding a mate eventually since he's some lost ancestor connection of Sly and started the use of Cane. Knight Sly - Had his own order, sure it was post game, but I felt like as a Knight he probably traveled with other Knights beforehand. Indian Sly - Had his pack of 40 theives he traveled with for years, and even with the time disruptions he still had three members that stuck with him. Even in the game he was already tired of theiving and wanted to retire so it's not as though he was stuck and didn't have a lifestyle he wanted to live that he enjoyed. Taking stuff we find out in Sly 4 aside since it can be considered a retcon, I mean if they are Sly's Ancestors that mean that they all must've found somebody to be with, like Sly's dad. Granted that doesn't mean they all good dads or none were deadbeat fathers or had children as a result of one-night stands that they never looked back on till they passed(though I doubt someone like Knight Sly with his very honor-bounded personality would do such a thing on purpose and Indian Sly probably already had children they just either grew up enough to where he didn't need to care about their whereabouts.) It does show they must've had people, friends and family in their lives. I felt like the Cooper Cave and Sly's lesson that he mostly got from his father is to not let just Theiving consume his life entirely. Kinda like how every Cooper before them, they all eventually left stealing(At least, doing it for their legacy rather than for fun) behind, which would explain how their Canes and wealth actually got in the cages. With how spread out the Cooper family go, it's hard to imagine every descendent took time to travel back where their ancestor went to get their canes and wealth to put it into the Cooper Cave. I take this as a theory that all the Coopers when they were done with stealing like Sly's Dad was or Indian Sly, eventually put all their stuff in the vault and lived out the rest of their life(until Clockwork possibly killed them). Which makes Dr Monkey's death Ironic as he died in the Cave where all the ancestors decided to leave behind their stuff because he couldn't move on. I think this because in the Cave neither Sly or any of friends have any ill feelings about the cave at all, hell Sly seemed impressed with a lot of it toward the end. So it seems off to have the theme be, "The cave is depressing!" when our main characters were into it even toward the end. Hell he even left a sign that lead the gang to still be able to enter the cave. I say the bigger team is yes change but individuality then only clinging to a title or legacy or only acting because of a legacy then oneself.
@@jd2792 sure but even some of those details we got from Sly 3 and previous entry. Like I'm pretty sure it was already mentioned before about the Knights or the 40 theives.
A fitting end to an amazing adventure for both the characters and you. From the moment I was feeling nostalgic for Sa2 and put in "sonic adventure 2 review" into UA-cam and saw you I was instantly hooked and a few videos in I was really intrested in what these sly cooper games were but unfortunately never found the videos you did and I'm so glad that I understand it all now. I know this sounds really cringy but I love video games, my earliest memories are playing donkey king county returns on the wii with my dad, and I especially loved and appreciated story games and the history of said games but my freinds only cared for the multiplayer open ended games like minecraft and fortnite (not saying there is anything wrong with them) and they never quite understood why I sat alone following some made up story. And then thanks to me aging and you I finnally understand why I love story video games; they are interesting and deep, complex and loved by fans and the devs, I'm not saying that you alone made me understand myself, a lot had gone into it but you have played a very important role. I know this sounds really weird when your just some guy on the internet so I'll just finish with thanks man and keep doing what you do best
21:57. I still cannot believe that the writers put this line in a kids game. And kudos to them for making me hate the character/antagonist. Taking General Tsao down was one of the most satisfying moments in Sly Cooper for me. And wow. I've never seen that at 24:05. That's pretty dark..
Sly 3 was my first sly. It's my second favorite behind 2 followed by 4 then 1. It made me love sly and I know so much intrinsically about this game it's crazy.
Nicely done and well said. Personally 2 is my favorite out of the series, but I am a fan of the entire series. I definitely agree that at some point "Enough is enough. " It's good to come to that realization in life. Keep doing what you enjoy buddy.
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As a person who grew up loving these games I just want to thank you for covering them as much as you have. I always felt like I was the only person who played these games so I'm glad to learn that they had a similar impact on you as they did me. And while I don't keep my hopes up for a Sly 5 or my preferred remaster/remake, I'm glad to know that Sly and the gang are still remembered and are gaining more fans thanks to reviewers like you
tbh i follow the mass, to me Sly 3 is the best gameplay is pretty funny and the story sums up the serie perfectly .... until A CERTAIN SEQUEL DECIDED NOT TO
For roughly the first 12 years of my life, I was in a wheelchair so seeing Bently in this tricked out wheelchair helping him to do everything he needs to do in the third game, it was a big highlight to me as a kid. I had seen enough characters fall down the hole of “I’m trapped in the chair” rather than the more optimistic “the chair is something that helps me do what I couldn’t otherwise do”
Oh wait, so you got your ability to walk again?
@@TheRealBlazingDiamond na i heard he floats now
You might like one of the main characters in Xtreme Ghostbusters, then. He's in a wheelchair, but still actively plays basketball with people and is probably one of the most proactive of the main cast. He's got some arrogance to him as well, but he doesn't let the wheelchair define who he is.
(although he does one time play the sad card to a bunch of feds or something so he can be free to help his friends).
@@jurtheorc8117 being in a wheelchair playing basketball fuckin suks ,,lets all be happy and hold hands.....lame azz
This was a great comment! I'm happy you found some relatability and positive enforcement in a shitty situation :)
I think I’m the only person who actually liked the 2nd chapter. I loved the ominous, creepy feel to it. I was one of those kids that was intrigued by things that creeped me out.
If only it actually had a good villain….
I like Chapter 2, but it had some of my least favorite missions. There's the Claw one J mentions, I find the scorpion to be pretty lame, and the crocodile one gets monotonous fast.
That being said, I love the atmosphere and general look a lot, and while the MODE does get as much buildup or screentime as the other villains - Dr. M included - the stuff he does get does a good job establishing the intrigue and potential danger they would unleash if ever brought outside the Outback.
All things said, Chapter 5's still my least favorite in 3 nowadays. That second half with the boat is something I went from tolerating to never looking forward to nowadays.
the atmosphere of the caves scared the hell out of me, best parts of the chapter imo (other than the lemonade bar of course)
the mask was kind of weird, what it was a really fun chapter for me
U right!
You the only person
Sly 3 was my introduction to the Sly trilogy. I remember sitting in my neighbor's bedroom and becoming enthralled by these characters. And I remember finishing Sly 3 in my own living room, crying a bit, thinking that Sly actually had amnesia and his friendships, his struggles, his triumphs had all been wiped away.
This game also molded me as a person, though it had felt weird to admit until this point. The trilogy taught me what storytelling could be. My love of creating stories stemmed from these games. Sure are they the epitome of storytelling? Of course not, but the way the story impacted me was so much more profound than any movie or book I had seen or read up to that point.
Time has told that these games have left a mark on the fans in such a overwhelmingly positive way that we have never truly left them behind. We have all moved forward from our playthroughs having gained something from them. A good experience or a lifelong lesson. The love Sucker Punch poured into these games wasn't for naught.
I'm perfectly content with the story ending with the trilogy. With how much I adored these games (and still do), that hardest lesson was that stories come to an end. But I've seen everything, it's time to go outside.
And I will attest, having gotten my niece, nephew, and my closest friends into these games, that witnessing others experience them for the first time is like reliving the magic all over again.
These reviews were wonderful, J!
Sly 3 was a good close. Its theme of not obsessing over legacies or status built after generations is truly wholesome (and I don't see that a lot in games). The characters are at their peak here (especially Bentley the GOAT) and that's how it should be in the finale. One of the most underappreciated game trilogies.
The perfect ending… except for the fact it wasn’t an ending lol
Happy 20th Anniversary, Sly Cooper and the Gang. Your franchise always has been and always will be a fun ride from start to finish. Legends never die.
What a perfect way to end the month. I really enjoyed your third time tackling the Sly games J and real ones would remember how this exact trilogy was what kick started your channel. Thanks for the great trilogy and can’t wait to see your next few projects.
Also I do hope you’ll cover RE4 before the release of the remake in a few months :))
I found it interesting that Amphibia had a similar message about change like Sly 3.
Ooh! An 'Amphibia' viewer. Me likey!
I played the sht out of the demo for this game with my sister back when we had the PS2. So you bet I went ahead and bought the full games after that. And I am so glad I did, it's a wonderful trilogy and I love looking back on it and all of its positive messages throughout the story about bonds that go deeper than expectations left by those in the past.
Thank you for covering these games one last time. I found your channel thanks to this the first time around and now we're here. Honestly now I'm jumping aboard the Sonic games (late af lol) but I'll definitely be sticking around for those reviews and any other future games you may go over 💖
Dude I've played these games likes 100 times a piece. The last 5 minutes made me finally realize I'm not alone in my feelings of sly. Favorite games ever, but I wish I could recapture the first time magic feelings. First Canadian level with the trains and the music gets me everytime still
Sly3: It formed my childhood,got me to video games. Ill never forget you
That was a nice conclusion. Sly 3's ending is so heartwarming to me.
I don't remember if I was waiting for a Sly 4 when I finished Sly 3 as a kid but when it was teased in The Sly Trilogy on PS3, I was so hyped... I only played it once, on release, and never touched it again because I found it... disappointing, yeah. I should give it another try but I can't really forgive the writing of that game. (Especially what they did with Penelope)
At this point I'd rather see a Trilogy Remake than a sequel... Or a reboot like Ratchet and Clank ? I hope they'll do something for Sly eventually, but I can wait, the original 3 Sly games are still there.
The pirate level was what blew my mind as a kid. The freedom and scale of that level was incredible.
Dude, the end of your video: *chefs kiss*! You're right, Sly 3, while maybe not held in as a high regard as Sly 2 is still a pretty damn great game. Even as a boy, that ending to Sly 3 hit hard. And for all you've shared in this video is a testament to how people & things change (for better/worse), and they should be accepted for how they are. I'm also glad you didn't bash on Sly 4 in this video, I don't know that much about the game, but I do know that it's just majorly disappointing & might just be over hated. Either way, I'm glad you also shared those memories you had of your time playing this trilogy, it made me get sentimental about the games I used to play as a kid. Keep up the great work J.
Sly 3 is definitely my favorite sly game. Possibly my favorite game of all time. It just had so much charm imo
Just watched the whole trilogy at work. Well done! Thank you for this masterpiece review of a masterpiece 💜
13:32 seriously this is the best mission.. I remember when the demo came out it was the lemonade mission and I played it over and over and over again.. when the game came out I demolished that mission lmaoo😂
I love the sly cooper franchise it’s really awesome and badass.
Have you done a Playthrough of the Games on your Channel Tevya?
@@eamonndeane587 unfortnately no I didn't which is sad because I love the sly cooper franchise and I would love to do a playthrough of all the games but unfortnately due to sony not doing backwards compatibility to the sly cooper series and not having the access to a elgato to stream these games I unfortnately never got a chance to stream these games or make a playthrough.
@@TevyaSmolka 😥
@@eamonndeane587 😢
"I'll floss my teeth with your spine!" is such an epic threat, and very fitting for an animal as ferocious as a hippopotamus.
Gotta say, love the transition between past and present you used for the Panda King. You really do respect this franchise. :D
thank you for making these videos on the trilogy!! I havent played the games in years but watching your videos over the past few weeks reminded me how great the games were. I'm so tempted to buy the 20th anniversary shirt now
Sly 4 never happened in my world... I love the orginal sly cooper trilogy, it was one of the first games I played, along with spyro. I looked into 4 and decided that 3 was how it ended so I didn't need to play 4. Lol
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It's probably my Favourite Title in the Franchise.
RIP Rick May. Andross and Dr M just wouldn't be the same without you.
It was actually due to you J that I got into the original trilogy back earlier this year, and I fell in love with the story and characters.
Welcome :)
@@Throttle.Therapy. Welcome?
@@MarioFreak that's j alternate universe self G
I’ve watched almost all your retrospective videos! And I love them all. When we gonna get Crash and Spyro!?
Lemonade bar mission is the best mission as well as having the best song in the game fight me lol
I really enjoyed these retrospectives. I played Sly 2 over and over as a kid back in the 00's and never got around to playing Sly 3 until last year when I had some time to run through the trilogy. Sly 3 isn't a perfect game but it was a deeply satisfying conclusion to the series and I feel you really hit the nail on the head in this video.
Okay, so, Sly 3 is MY personal favorite Sly game. I said this in the last vid (or maybe it was the first vid, who knows~), but I played Sly 1 and then went to Sly 3. Sly 1 was a household name, but Sly 3 was special because that was a birthday gift of mine. I had little idea what went down in Sly 2 and I wouldn't until I got my hands on Sly 2 in 2009 or so. Sly 2 is most certainly a great game, but Sly 3 is special. Is it bias? Yeah, it most likely is, but I can't help it.
However, I personally think that most of the game's story being told in flashback DOES remove a good amount of tension since the story isn't being told in order like Sly 1, 2, and 4 are. Like, Episode 5's Operation/finale had a fake out where Sly got blown up by Captain LeFwee's clever trick... But we know that Sly is gonna end up in the hands of one of Dr. M's mutant experiments because the Prologue shown us so... Yeah, Sly is okay (for now).
As for Bentley feeling a bit of jealousy towards Sly? That's been a thing since day one, yo~ Sly 3 didn't just make it up. Sly 1 had shown that Bentley was the ONLY member of the gang to remain at the safe house while Sly and even Murray went out in the field. Sly 2 had shown us that Bentley is deathly afraid of being out in the field, but deep down he wants to prove to others and himself that he's capable. Episode 4 is where he's definitely more confident. Throughout Sly 2, he gradually got more and more comfortable...Then the ending happened.
But as I definitely said in the last vid, uh, Bentley being in a wheelchair is the best thing to have happened to him as jacked up as that sounds. Of course, Bentley wishes he could walk again, but... He's certainly made the best out of his situation. He's somehow even MORE agile in a wheelchair than on his own feet! But Sly 3 is where Bentley's insecurities are more plainly stated which the past few games made more subtle. It started with Episode 3 where Bentley felt envious that Penelope seemed more interested in Sly and it kept building up. Bentley even confessed to his insecurities to Penelope in Episode 5 and in Episode 6, hearing Dr. M's rage over his own Cooper Gang back in the day has caused Bentley to consider things.
Ultimately, Bentley sticks with the gang, because they're family. I don't think Sly ever took his teammates for granted and that moment where Sly asks if Bentley and Murray would like to join him always make me choke up a little.
Hoooowever, this game does unfortunately have some ramifications in regards to the sequel... The whole faking amnesia thing. I could be in the minority here but... Yeah, Sly was lying about his amnesia but... Uh, Carmelita definitely went along with it and even lied herself about Sly being his cop partner. Granted, Sly 4 DOES have Carmelita herself point out that she was lying too, but it's kind of a weird plot point given that both of them were equally lying. But again, minority.
And then we got Penelope. I don't think I gotta talk about her, right? Maybe? Yeah, I'm not. I still feel betrayed. XD
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@@PepperMistAnimations In the words of Sonic from Sonic Lost World, "Yeah, we noticed." lol
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Replaying all the Sly games, I never realized how much I liked the bottles and treasures in 2 and 4. Sly 3 not having that takes away from the content more than I would have expected.
Sly 3 was my favorite by far. Sly 2 is my second, Sly 1 is third, and Sly 4 doesn't exist.
"I'll floss my teeth with your spine!" That was such a hard line to hear. When I got this game I was beyond pumped for murray to return.
I don't care what anyone says. Sly 3 was the perfect finale to the Sly Cooper franchise. And in my eyes Sly 4 is not canon.
Fun fact: Dr. M (a likely reference to Dr Moreau) is voiced by the late Rick May, Who voiced the soldier from TF2.
Sly 3s variety makes it the best in the series, and you discussing the themes makes it even Better
When the video got to the part where you're going around talking to the Opera mask guards I actually said (Tanner Tanner bass bass)
For me, Sly 3 is the best of them all. Sly 2 is slightly better at level design, writing and villains, but the quality of the mission is 3 categories up to the other 3 chapters of the serie. When i played Sly 2 for the first time, i found the last chapters a little boring, because all the game followed a specific pattern and the missions weren't too much different one from the other. Sly 3 has made something impossible, has made every mission worth playing and unique. Sly 3 is the symbol of the pattern that I'd love to see the saga follow, we got the most playable characters, the most boss fights, the best boss fights, the most balanced difficulty (Sly 1, 2, 4 were all too easy imo). The worst part of the game (chapter 2) is still pretty good because the missions are still fantastic. Also, i loved even the minigames.
If Sly 3 had at least 2 years of development, imagine how rifined this game could've been.
Imagine Sly 3 with more complex maps, maybe even more and larger maps, with things to do in free roaming like for Sly 2; more inside places where you could still go even after their missions; better graphics; possibility to use the other members of the roster as playable characters in the free roam... This game could've been hands down as the best platform ever.
This video came out in the best possible time. I love Sly Cooper and have very found memories of the product Sucker Punch produced in the PS2 era, and this week I was able to acquire a PS5 and the first game I will be playing is Sly's Grandson/Spiritual Successor in Ghost of Tsushima. Looking forward to that.
Honestly would be happy with a remaster. up the resolution and aliasing for newer hardware if not a crash or spyro triology remake. feel like if toys for bob got their hands on the ip they'd do it well
Cool review
18:52 Jesus christ, that is DARK, how did that get past the censors? I love it!
There’s something about end of 6th gen games that I really like. They look so much better then most remember
Mgs3,Timesplitters 3, DMC3, Sly 3
While, Personally Sly 3 is my favorite. I cam admit a big reason is it was the one I had the most time with until I was old enough to get all of them myself and I kind of take in the series as a whole with how I like it. I can't rank them from best to worst because I like each one for what it brings
My favorite game in the trilogy, my favorite PS2 game, and one of my all time favorite games
I originally watched you for Megaman X. But you got me intrigued for Sly Cooper & Jak & Daxter.
Sly 3 is where the series ends for me.
It's a crime that we never got another Sly Cooper or Golden Sun game. Both of them left off with cliffhangers. . .
This series was great. Yours and Sly.
Still, I have one question, whenever you said that Megaman X was designed for endless replayability compared to Sly 2 & 3, what exactly did you mean by that? I'll probably watch those retrospectives on later, but personally I've always been a "one and done" kind of player for stuff like that, so I never really knew how to approach games from that angle.
Good question. With Mega Man, part of the appeal is learning what boss order is the correct one. With a second playthrough, you can get through much faster because of this knowledge. In a Mega Man X game, repeat playthroughs gives you more knowledge on how to collect every item with more efficiency. This element of the series growing in more complexity with each sub series. Sly can be played repeatedly, I’ve done it, obviously. But the main difference is that Sly is meant to be more of a total package you experience. You can’t skip cutscenes in the trilogy, for example. The games were more based on around every aspect forming a memorable experience, rather than the gameplay itself providing endless amounts of replay value.
Sly 3 was the first Sly game I ever played
My absolute favorite 😭
I've watched your recent 3 episodes now, they're nicely done. Bit disappointed that you didn't talk that much about the multiplayer of Sly 3 though, they were really fun to goof around with friends in. Imo even though they were disconnected from the main story, they were a big part of the games appeal.
Maybe an idea for a short bonus video?
After Sly Cooper, Can you do your game review on Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions and Edge of Time??
I’m probably the only person who thinks Thieves in Time gets too much hate but it’s also the only game I’ve beaten, and I played the crap out of it when I was younger. I don’t think I’ve gotten past the second episode in any of the other games.
this series breakdown 🔥
Must be annoying for you to have Carmelita always changing voice.
In my language they all stayed the same even in Sly 4 now I like the chracters' voices so much, it's hard getting used to the original English ones.
My questions are did Sly’s ancestors never get pass their part in the vault? and does Sly not get a spot in the vault?
I do think 3 is better than 2, an opinion I've only switched to recently after playing them again. I feel like 2 heavily relies on peaking during memorable cutscenes while having somewhat lackluster missions. 3 has more variety. More interacting with characters. More interesting missions. Better playforming sections. Usually better world maps and level design. I really think the thing with 2 is those high peaks it reaches are Starry Eyed Encounter, the inital jailing and jailbreak of Sly, and the very final cutscene. The rest is good but nothing truly amazing or special.
I think the only moment 3 has like that is the final cutscene with Sly and Carmelita finally hooking up. However 3 has more consistent solid things happening throughout. Dealing with Dmitri, the entire Opera and Holland levels, cooperating with the Panda King, I've also always loved the pirate level. I think sly 3 has a better average level of quality, with 2 having a few more spurts of total brilliance.
This was my first Sly and to me it’s the best. After this I’ve tried 1st and 2nd and to me original Sly Cooper is OK, don’t think it’s a bad game it’s just allright. Then I played Sly 2 and I can say that Sly 2 had better story imo, but Sly 3 improves on everything that made Sly 2 good (exepct removing treasures that I don’t like) and that is why Sly 3 is the best imo.
My least favorite ia sly 1. It just didnt have much going on. Sly 3 was... a bit schizo, but still had well-done control and gameplay, and never got samey.
I am speedrunning this game and in My opinion sly 3 is the best game in the series.
I like the word nontent, I'm taking that
I mainly want a Sly 5 just to resolve the cliff hanger.
I don't need Sly Cooper games to come out forever but it annoys me everytime I remember the cannon story has Sly stranded with no resolution.
it's one of the main reasons I hate Sly4 although I had moderate amount of fun while playing it. I just want the new story arc resolved before moving on.
SLY 2 was the greatest PLAYSTATION GAME OF ALL TIME. I KNOW RATCHET AND clank had a good run but SLY 2 was the greatest game of all time!!!
I still think sly 2 is my absolute favorite in the series, but 3 is also a really solid game
Personally I really disliked the rc section of the General Tsao heist, not sure if I just didnt like it because I sucked at it. But it was always frustrating.
Even though Sly 3 is my least favorite, I still enjoy it for being different and being enjoyable...the story, not quite memorable, but still interesting. Gameplaywise, it's fun as hell. So...I gotta give 3 some credit.
I have a physical disability and I thought it was pretty cool playing as a character in a wheelchair. Not something you usually get to do and I wish there were more ideas around the concept
Sly 2 had an intense story with mystery. Sly 3 was more simple and felt more linear since you already knew where the story was going. But they added so many new fun things
Thanks for all the like :3
2 and 3 also feel like they cover different elements of Sly 1. Sly 2 was about the aftermath of Clockwerk's defeat and how Sly deals with it, whereas Sly 3 was about the Cooper legacy and how it affects Sly
@@KipsterMc I can dig it. C:
I always thought the "I'm building a time machine to find out!" line was just meant to be a tongue in cheek throwaway line for laughs, highlighting that Bentley is so intelligent that even time travel isn'tabove him, but a lot of people jumped on that as a literal teaser for Sly 4.
I think you summed up the message of this game perfectly
i always took it as these characters reliving their memories till the end of time
I started with Sly 2, but Sly 3 is still by far my favorite, even years later. It's just so damn enjoyable (yes, even the pirate ships)
Sea of thieves before Sea of thieves 😂 had a few mates on the pc ask me "have you played SOT?" Had a look and just laughed and proceeded to show em dead man tells no tales... they said "fair enough" 😂
Between Sly's wonderful reaction to Carma-LARGEA and Bentley 's unexpected mugshot roast, yeah. I think it's fair to say 3 had the most laughs.
Sly 3 was the first Sly game I ever played, & I can say confidently that it’s my personal favorite. My only problem is the very end, where it feels like they’re are just throwing EVERY single thing at you. The plane, the raft, the fucking RC car, the stupid Guru shark thing, Demetri’s stupid deep diving segment that you need Ultra Instinct to get passed, it’s just a bit too much. I get they were going for the whole “team effort” thing, but there are ways they could’ve done that without it feel like some asshole named Larry said “Why don’t we just use the rest of our assets at the end of the game ?” & then some other asshole named Tom said “Oh that’s a great idea Larry !”
I love Sly 3 as well, cause it's the one I played as a kid. 2 is still my favorite but 3 Is definitely my second.
Sly 3 is my fav too then Sly 2 and then 1..👌🏽
ULTRA INSTINCT😂😂 But yea that was the whole point of brining the team together to do all of those things back to back
Same here bro but I understand what each other entry has its own unique thing to offer
Curse you Tom and Laaaarryyy!!!
I think personally a big reason why I struggle with "letting go" of the Sly trilogy to a point, despite having found the appreciation for how lucky we are that it even exists, is because there are *no* games like Sly. No alternatives to scratch that same itch, no matter how many weeks I scourge through unknown indies or forgotten AAA games.
For now, I'd like to think I'm in a decent middle ground of appreciating everything we got, but also appreciating anything (respectable) we might get... like the anniversary poster. Even small things are just pure positives.
What an amazing video. I didn't really catch Sly 3's ending back then... But man, how good it is to see it that way after so many years.
The way I see Bentley's musing about his place in the gang is that he's merely pondering.
From his position, he finally managed to get Sly into the place he wanted to be, through many trials and tribulations in bringing more people together for that task. The grand goal of Sly 3 is completely for Sly's benefit.
So, after it's achieved, and he gets a moment alone with Murray, he simply thinks about his place in life. He wonders what it would be like if it was the worst situation possible, that he and Murray are just being used by Sly. And, to me at least, wondering what life COULD be, better or worse, is a natural thing to do when your mind is allowed to wonder. I don't think Bentley legitimately felt these things, but he wanted to question it regardless. Murray's words serve to reaffirm that life isn't what it could've been. It's much better than that.
To be honest, as a kid when I played the games, I never realized the story about facing the past, dealing with the trauma, and then letting it go. I have my own trauma that just a few weeks ago I was finally able to talk and think about it. And part of the letting go and moving on is something that well... I feel that I need to do to... I just have no idea what to do and that's kinda scary.
ive been in a wheelchair for basically my whole life so playing as bently was just the coolest thing as a kid and is a big reason why i love sly 3 so much.
I like the prologue of Sly 3. Giving you a sneak peek of the party members you'll meet throughout the game by having them silhouetted. Heck, Atlus did a homage to this with Persona 5's intro which is why I always name my Phantom Thieves the "Cooper Gang".
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this.
On the one hand, I doubt Atlus took inspiration from Sly as it just feels they aren't the types to take inspiration from games that aren't RPG's and stories that aren't like, classic detective stories.
On the other hand naming the Phantom Thieves the Cooper gang slaps hard, so I'll acceot this head-canon for now.
I will never understand how people think 2 is better then 3, I just can’t see it personally
Sly 3 being made in a year is honestly pretty impressive. In some ways it is just Sly 2 with some changes, but they really went all in with the gameplay for Sly 3 imo. Each area had a new mechanic or minigame at some point, and still had every bit of character as in Sly 2. In terms of story I still love Sly 2 more, but for gameplay I'd probably pick Sly 3.
Gotta say, I absolutely love the sentiment that "hey, if a new game comes out I'll be there. But till then, I'm happy with the fact that I got a chance to see this series through."
Yeah, I think the fandom, as a collective, are best looking at Sly this way, instead of being absorbed by every fake leak that comes out. Haven't gotten to watch the dub on Issue 2, but I hope to get around to it soon, btw!
@@JsReviews exactly, big agree with ya! And thank you so much 🙏🙏
This is honestly the best way to view not just Sly, but a lot of other franchises as well. Some series do deserve a sequel or continuation, but it's great to have what we have from them, and they can stand on their own without the continuation. Honestly, even if there was no Sly 4 I would still be happy with Sly being where it's at even if it's never continued
I could never get over Sly letting a guy who helped k*ll his father on his team for the ultimate heist. Like I get Panda King is regretful of his actions and has grown past his former self and seeks redemption. I can understand Sly learning to forgive him, but letting him join the gang to help break into the Cooper vault feels a step too far.
Ehh I feel like all the stuff you said plus the fact that they just straight up need him to get in is more than enough to justify him joining
@@plague9818 yeah honestly it read less sly getting over it so much as they both seemingly agree to just move on.
Finally someone says it. I hated that too. HOW do you get over someone killing your parents?! I don’t get it. It gave me bad vibes throughout the whole game
It looks like the themes of the game jumped right over your head because it encourages to move on and to not to be in the past, people change and not talking to them due to an action that happened 30 years ago is contradicting that theme.
I don’t recall Sly ever forgiving him; he just says that they both have changed and need to move on. It just seemed like a mutually beneficial, but temporary, alliance to me. The dialogue between them even implies this; they’re never fully comfortable with each other.
EDIT: Actually, when looking at the definition of “forgiveness”, Sly did indeed forgive the Panda King, so I stand corrected on that.
What a great love letter to Sly! I used to think 3 had too much variety, but having recently replayed it again the variety feels pretty good but not all of it gets used enough like Dimitri and Panda King. I also used to think playing with the 3D glasses on was rad and groundbreaking, but that didn't age as well lol
Sly 2 for the levels, Sly 3 for all the different stuff you could do in it. I only ever played the third and then the second one. I've actually only completed Sly 3 two times (one as a child and the second time just a couple years ago, so the ending was actually somewhat new to me), but Sly 2 I've completed almost ten times.
Absolutely loved the video mate, especially the ending. Sly 3 for me was such an upgrade compared to 2. The gameplay had more variety, and while a lot of that was weird mini-games, they all felt way more polished and fun than any of the ones in 2. Also, the improvements to Bently and Murray immediately make it way more fun to play imo, as that was one of my biggest gripes with 2. When it comes to the story, I totally get where you're coming from in terms of the structure. As a narrative, I think Sly 2 is structured better, as each chapter moves the plot forward in meaningful ways. However, I see Sly 3's structure being a lot like the first games. Each chapter is relatively self contained, but they're all leading up to the final goal, and in Sly 3's case, I think it's a lot more exciting than Sly 1's. I think you hit the nail on the head with the thematic breakdown and the games ending. It's a message I wish more gamers would take on, especially with these older platforming series (Jak). It's ok for things to end. It doesn't mean you no longer love that thing, it just means it's time to move on. I of course have to draw parallels to Jak in this case. The gameplay and story telling potential was never fully realised in the Jak series. They could have easily made another trilogy before reaching the ceiling, and while it would be interesting to see what that would look like, I respect ND and the series for deciding to end it when they did. It left us with a terrific trilogy that wrapped up nicely, and left us with some great memories. It's the same with the Sly trilogy. I'd much rather a handful of excellent experiences, than a series that drags on well past its due date (Ratchet). Which is why Sly 4's existence frustrates me. Even though it is pretty damn fun, and even if the writing was good (it's not), I'd rather it wasn't made. Or if it was, leave our main cast alone, as their arcs are complete. A great idea I've heard is that it should have explored Sly's ancestors, and each chapter focuses on a different one. I'm rambling at this point, but I really enjoyed the video my guy!
I really appreciate you pointing out the terrible economy in Sly 3 with JUST pickpocket grinding. Because on my last run I tried getting every new power up each time they appeared. And it was hell very quickly.
Sly 3 has always been my favorite of the trilogy. Bentley and Murray are just leagues better than in Sly 2, I think all the new playable characters are fun and inject good yet consistent variety (if that seeming contradiction makes sense), the hub worlds are more smartly designed than many of Sly 2's (making navigating easier as everyone and having more clear and striking landmarks), the variety removes what I felt was Sly 2's weakest aspect of constantly reusing the same mission types (turret missions, hacking, pickpocket x amount of enemies, etc.), and I think the story being a much more personal journey for the gang hits me much harder than Sly 2 devolving into a crazy plot to hypnotize the world to be hateful.
Really my only complaints are the lack of clue bottles (which I think would have been super fun in this game due to the afore-mentioned improved hubs) and the inability to select the new gang members from the safehouse. It might sound like I'm hating on Sly 2, but I'm not. I just think that Sly 3 takes what it set up and refined it, then ran with it.
Anyway it's just nice to see you revisit this game with a more measured take, so this is cool!
Sly cooper 3 is just easily one of my favorite games of all time, and the favorite of the series. It's just crazy to me how the Portuguese dub sounds so much better than the English one, caracthers have so much more emotion
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Great video. Growing up, I would always say that my favorite game of all time was a tie between Sly 2 and Sly 3. Sly 2 for the story and atmosphere. And Sly 3 for the gameplay and humor. Over the years, I have given Sly 2 the slight edge over Sly 3, but both of these games will forever hold a special place in my heart.
I'm glad you actually started to see some more of the hidden side. I wondered about it myself when I first played the game back in the day. I was 15 when this game came out but I didn't put it all together till I was in college. That was when I saw that they wanted new challenges and new ips like Infamous and eventually Ghost of Tsushima.
And at the time I was also looking forward to the fun of playing the next Sly game. I won't deny I was a little upset about that cliffhanger. But anymore, I don't think it's Sanzaru's fault. They tried to make the best sequel possible and stumbled. Not unlike a few of the stumblings of the originals.
Not sure if you read fanfics or anything but you might check a good sequel one out. The author's name is EikaPrime. They've written two sequel stories including adding more ancestors.
The biggest disappointment for me in this game is that you couldn’t properly play in and explore the final level like all the other levels. The multiplayer was also fun
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I agree with most things about this video except for the fact that the Cooper Cave is some symbol of the Cooper family being lonely and such.
If Sly 4 showed us anything it's that the Cooper family each usually had some family or friendship to them.
Ninja Sly - Had his Restuarant
Cowboy Sly - He got Cowboy Charisma, so he must've had some comrades he drank with and girls to court
Caveman Sly - He had those animals he trained in and must've ended up finding a mate eventually since he's some lost ancestor connection of Sly and started the use of Cane.
Knight Sly - Had his own order, sure it was post game, but I felt like as a Knight he probably traveled with other Knights beforehand.
Indian Sly - Had his pack of 40 theives he traveled with for years, and even with the time disruptions he still had three members that stuck with him. Even in the game he was already tired of theiving and wanted to retire so it's not as though he was stuck and didn't have a lifestyle he wanted to live that he enjoyed.
Taking stuff we find out in Sly 4 aside since it can be considered a retcon, I mean if they are Sly's Ancestors that mean that they all must've found somebody to be with, like Sly's dad. Granted that doesn't mean they all good dads or none were deadbeat fathers or had children as a result of one-night stands that they never looked back on till they passed(though I doubt someone like Knight Sly with his very honor-bounded personality would do such a thing on purpose and Indian Sly probably already had children they just either grew up enough to where he didn't need to care about their whereabouts.) It does show they must've had people, friends and family in their lives.
I felt like the Cooper Cave and Sly's lesson that he mostly got from his father is to not let just Theiving consume his life entirely. Kinda like how every Cooper before them, they all eventually left stealing(At least, doing it for their legacy rather than for fun) behind, which would explain how their Canes and wealth actually got in the cages. With how spread out the Cooper family go, it's hard to imagine every descendent took time to travel back where their ancestor went to get their canes and wealth to put it into the Cooper Cave. I take this as a theory that all the Coopers when they were done with stealing like Sly's Dad was or Indian Sly, eventually put all their stuff in the vault and lived out the rest of their life(until Clockwork possibly killed them).
Which makes Dr Monkey's death Ironic as he died in the Cave where all the ancestors decided to leave behind their stuff because he couldn't move on.
I think this because in the Cave neither Sly or any of friends have any ill feelings about the cave at all, hell Sly seemed impressed with a lot of it toward the end. So it seems off to have the theme be, "The cave is depressing!" when our main characters were into it even toward the end. Hell he even left a sign that lead the gang to still be able to enter the cave.
I say the bigger team is yes change but individuality then only clinging to a title or legacy or only acting because of a legacy then oneself.
Most of sly 4 dosent fit with the 3 orignal games at this point it may as well be non cannon
@@jd2792 sure but even some of those details we got from Sly 3 and previous entry. Like I'm pretty sure it was already mentioned before about the Knights or the 40 theives.
A fitting end to an amazing adventure for both the characters and you. From the moment I was feeling nostalgic for Sa2 and put in "sonic adventure 2 review" into UA-cam and saw you I was instantly hooked and a few videos in I was really intrested in what these sly cooper games were but unfortunately never found the videos you did and I'm so glad that I understand it all now. I know this sounds really cringy but I love video games, my earliest memories are playing donkey king county returns on the wii with my dad, and I especially loved and appreciated story games and the history of said games but my freinds only cared for the multiplayer open ended games like minecraft and fortnite (not saying there is anything wrong with them) and they never quite understood why I sat alone following some made up story. And then thanks to me aging and you I finnally understand why I love story video games; they are interesting and deep, complex and loved by fans and the devs, I'm not saying that you alone made me understand myself, a lot had gone into it but you have played a very important role. I know this sounds really weird when your just some guy on the internet so I'll just finish with thanks man and keep doing what you do best
21:57. I still cannot believe that the writers put this line in a kids game. And kudos to them for making me hate the character/antagonist. Taking General Tsao down was one of the most satisfying moments in Sly Cooper for me. And wow. I've never seen that at 24:05. That's pretty dark..
Sly 3 was my first sly. It's my second favorite behind 2 followed by 4 then 1. It made me love sly and I know so much intrinsically about this game it's crazy.
Dude, return of the jedi rocks, especially now that final Star Wars movie's ending is:-"Rey skywalker"!🤢🤮 Sorry even saying it makes my skin crawl.
Loved the video, that speech at the end had me thinking about my relationship with nostalgia. Sometimes it’s great to move on
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Nicely done and well said. Personally 2 is my favorite out of the series, but I am a fan of the entire series. I definitely agree that at some point "Enough is enough. " It's good to come to that realization in life. Keep doing what you enjoy buddy.
Thanks for the video, this a message I need to keep with me going forward
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LMAO I literally just watched the other two reviews right before the release of this one
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As a person who grew up loving these games I just want to thank you for covering them as much as you have. I always felt like I was the only person who played these games so I'm glad to learn that they had a similar impact on you as they did me.
And while I don't keep my hopes up for a Sly 5 or my preferred remaster/remake, I'm glad to know that Sly and the gang are still remembered and are gaining more fans thanks to reviewers like you
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tbh i follow the mass, to me Sly 3 is the best
gameplay is pretty funny and the story sums up the serie perfectly .... until A CERTAIN SEQUEL DECIDED NOT TO