When EastEnders went off air in 2020 due to the Covid 19 Pandemic the fact they didn’t repeat this as an iconic episode is a crime! This IS the most iconic episode of EastEnders in its 38 year history! FACT!
I think they should have gone the whole hog and shown the entire omnibus to be fair. If you only show one episode of the 4, it’s like showing a 30 episode and only allowing 15 minutes to broadcast. I think the WALFORD PRIDE episode was a poor excuse for an “iconic” episode - where was episode 1 from 1985, what about Den Watts shooting from 1989, Kathy Beales rape from 1988, the Christmas special from 1986 as well (which if I’m correct got 30m viewers)
@@Mattbarson23 Yes they should of shown older episodes from the 80s and 90s. Instead of the 2000s. They could of shown 1. Den and Angies Divorce Papers 1986 2. Dot and Ethels Two Hander 1987 3. Ethels Death 2000 4. Pats Death 2012 5. Peggys Cancer 1996 6. Pauline and Aurther find out Mark has HIV I think it was around 1991 7. Lou Beales Exit 1988 8. Pat and Franks Wedding 1989
People moan about everything now so they probably didn't show this again out of fear of complaints being made. No episode since Xmas 2012 has been iconic!
Zoe had just found out her whole life had been a lie no-one would be thinking straight after that, She knew it wasn’t Kat’s fault really she was just so upset and angry🥺💔.
You can’t blame Zoe for being confused and angry. Imagine how many lies she was told throughout her whole life AND growing up thinking your mum’s your sister?
Why are people like Zoe /other people so offended when their mum/dad say they wanted an abortion? Theyre not saying they want to kill the current adult version of them....they dont need to take it so personally.
@@psps2034 Because They feel that's exactly what they mean , and it hurts that the person who is supposed to love them would have gotten rid of them, and had to be convinced. i feel so bad for Zoe
@@jaredporikos2197 it wasn’t anything personal against Zoe . Zoe wasn’t Zoe inside the womb of Kat. Zoe was a collection of cells without a personality . Kat wanting an abortion isn’t the same as Kat murdering Zoe as a fully grown adult
@@Anonymous_Anon882 I thought 2015 and 16 were pretty solid. It was when sean o Conor took over the show took a massive nose dive. And this became evident around the later arc of 2016 and all of 2017. 2017 was soooooo bad.
The memory of these iconic episodes is ruined by the addition of a secret, unknown twin in 2018. And pointless, too, given that it hasn't been referenced on screen since.
Damn this was dark. The ‘YES I AM’ moment is played off as a joke now but when you watch what happens afterwards it’s no f’in joke. I can totally see both sides here. Kat had a terrible thing happen to her and was given no agency in what would happen after she was pregnant, but man, is she bungling how to tell her daughter what happened. By being too honest, she’s hurting her daughter while she’s struggling to cope with her life being turned upside down and everything she believed was a lie. This is often what real arguments are like. In anger we don’t measure our words of think about how to say something without hurting the other person’s feelings. How devastating would have been for both characters. Well acted also. Damn
Zoe said: "This pretty horrible for me you know. Finding out everything I ever thought I was everything I've done is a lie. None of this means anything anymore (Kat said: it can mean whatever you want it to.) Zoe: yeah, what like this photo of mum only it ain't my mum is it. I shouldn't even be here the only reason I am is because it was too late for your to have an abortion
The old style of filming, lighting and fashions etc can make people look older. If you look at people in the 80s and 90s television in their 20s/30s they look much older of people of a similar age today.
@@imogenmoonlight sadly yes that's true. Kat's paedophile uncle Harry (Charlie's brother) was 100% at fault for grooming/sexually abusing his niece when she was 13. This abuse resulted in Kat's pregnancy & she gave birth to Zoe - who was raised by Kat's parents Charlie & Viv, while Kat was forced to pretend to be Zoe's sister.
True absolutely that is true but Harry was a rapist he didn't just rape Kat he also raped a lot of others too as heard by this nun I can't remember who she was called though.
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When EastEnders went off air in 2020 due to the Covid 19 Pandemic the fact they didn’t repeat this as an iconic episode is a crime! This IS the most iconic episode of EastEnders in its 38 year history! FACT!
This has the most recognisable line from any tv soap
I think they should have gone the whole hog and shown the entire omnibus to be fair. If you only show one episode of the 4, it’s like showing a 30 episode and only allowing 15 minutes to broadcast. I think the WALFORD PRIDE episode was a poor excuse for an “iconic” episode - where was episode 1 from 1985, what about Den Watts shooting from 1989, Kathy Beales rape from 1988, the Christmas special from 1986 as well (which if I’m correct got 30m viewers)
@@Mattbarson23 Yes they should of shown older episodes from the 80s and 90s. Instead of the 2000s. They could of shown
1. Den and Angies Divorce Papers 1986
2. Dot and Ethels Two Hander 1987
3. Ethels Death 2000
4. Pats Death 2012
5. Peggys Cancer 1996
6. Pauline and Aurther find out Mark has HIV I think it was around 1991
7. Lou Beales Exit 1988
8. Pat and Franks Wedding 1989
Exactly
People moan about everything now so they probably didn't show this again out of fear of complaints being made.
No episode since Xmas 2012 has been iconic!
This was by far the best era for the Slaters! Such an iconic moment
'You didn't even want me'
She was THIRTEEN FOR FUCK SAKE! 🤣😭🤣
It's not real...
@@Slytherin88but it happens in RL
@@lw3756 Yes, we all know someone who's been in this situation....🤔
@@Slytherin88alot of us do? it's actually a common thing that happens to real people not just a soap opera storyline 💀
@@juz0suke You know someone that has a sister for a mother? Yes, I can see how that's quite common....maybe where you come from 🤔
Back when Eastenders had decent writing and acting.
One of the best episodes of eastenders ever! And Jessie Wallace acting is amazing in her early years as kat!
This is the best time and storyline for eastenders! Good job Michelle and Jessie they portraited this storyline perfectly
This is still making me teary eyed
This is why I luv soaps, this storyline continued to develop years later. Even creating a spinoff series called Redwater
redwater is just weird
Loved this episode kat and Zoe are amazing actresses in eastenders I remember watching this
Poor Kat she made me cry 😭
It’s so scary and horrifying that this stuff happens in real life.
Kat should have done more than grab Zoe by the throat. She should've slapped her across the face. Kat was 13 and scared.
She should have punched Zoe
@@alishamayrem3873 If in self defense such as in this scene, no
@@gloomysunday8242 I only started watching eastenders in 2004
@@gloomysunday8242 and Zoe kept on saying it was kats fault she was raped it wasn’t rape isn’t anyone’s fault only the rapists
Zoe had just found out her whole life had been a lie no-one would be thinking straight after that,
She knew it wasn’t Kat’s fault really she was just so upset and angry🥺💔.
I was 3 years old when I saw this.
You can’t blame Zoe for being confused and angry. Imagine how many lies she was told throughout her whole life AND growing up thinking your mum’s your sister?
As someone who did, I can sympathise with Zoe.
@@Chelbelle1983 at the same time, Zoe’s reaction isn’t fair. Kat was raped as a child.
@@Bubble170 Zoe abused Kat deffiantely
@@Bubble170 oh absolutely. My heart went out to Kat too
Finding out how your mum became your mum in the first place as well.
EastEnders kat and Zoe did such an amazing job🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤😊
Outstanding indeed🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😊❤❤❤❤
This was the single best acting moment in the history of the soap.Kat is now wasted
I think that by the time kat left in 2005 her character was done. They brought her back in 2010 and honestly they have ruined her.
1 of my favourite EastEnders storylines involving the Slater family. Kat reveals she is Zoe's real mum, not her 'sister'! - October 2001. ☺❤
I hope Jessie Wallace got every award going
This was probably one of the best eras of East Enders after Michelle Fowler left Walford.
If Zoe had been a boy instead of a girl then I think he would have been alot more understanding towards Kat
Could you imagine finding all this out
Why are people like Zoe /other people so offended when their mum/dad say they wanted an abortion? Theyre not saying they want to kill the current adult version of them....they dont need to take it so personally.
ps ps. Team Zoe
@@jaredporikos2197 you haven’t answered my question
@@psps2034 Because They feel that's exactly what they mean , and it hurts that the person who is supposed to love them would have gotten rid of them, and had to be convinced. i feel so bad for Zoe
@@jaredporikos2197 it wasn’t anything personal against Zoe . Zoe wasn’t Zoe inside the womb of Kat. Zoe was a collection of cells without a personality . Kat wanting an abortion isn’t the same as Kat murdering Zoe as a fully grown adult
@@psps2034 i dont know then , sorry
2001 was really the greatest year of all time followed closely by 2010
followed closely by 2005*
@@Anonymous_Anon882 2009 was brilliant too. 2014 and 2015 were pretty amazing years too.
@@shanefolan9175 definitely not 2015. The second half of DTC’s era was a hot rectonned mess.
@@Anonymous_Anon882 I thought 2015 and 16 were pretty solid. It was when sean o Conor took over the show took a massive nose dive. And this became evident around the later arc of 2016 and all of 2017. 2017 was soooooo bad.
So Kat got raped, pregnant at 13, and had to have the baby, and yet Zoe somehow tries to make herself the victim.
She was a victim
They are both victims. Just in bery different and specific ways
Zones a selfish, spiteful, spoiled little brat, I can't stand her.
She the real deal anyways I love kat slater she makes my heart sing
Zoe looks more like Lynne than Kat
That's what I always used to say
It's funny how that turns out though. My sister's daughter is the spit of me. 😂
Fast forward to 2022 and Kat had actually had her first set of twins - a boy and a girl : Zoe and Dermot
She left the lid off the bottle when she put it back in the cupboard. Infuriating.
The memory of these iconic episodes is ruined by the addition of a secret, unknown twin in 2018. And pointless, too, given that it hasn't been referenced on screen since.
Damn this was dark. The ‘YES I AM’ moment is played off as a joke now but when you watch what happens afterwards it’s no f’in joke. I can totally see both sides here. Kat had a terrible thing happen to her and was given no agency in what would happen after she was pregnant, but man, is she bungling how to tell her daughter what happened. By being too honest, she’s hurting her daughter while she’s struggling to cope with her life being turned upside down and everything she believed was a lie. This is often what real arguments are like. In anger we don’t measure our words of think about how to say something without hurting the other person’s feelings. How devastating would have been for both characters. Well acted also. Damn
Zoe was always really good at making it about her 😂
Disgusting from Zoe - this is when I lost all sympathy
take this, Ronnie was 14, kat was 13 but cat kept her baby and she grew up but Danielle didn't 🥺, this how unfair it was for Ronnie x
Ronnie was 14
Kat was 13
Lily is 12
Two different families. Same thing happened to Shirley with Mick.
Jeeez i was 7 when this episode came out
Can someone tell me what is Zoe saying from 7:02-7:30?
Zoe said: "This pretty horrible for me you know. Finding out everything I ever thought I was everything I've done is a lie. None of this means anything anymore (Kat said: it can mean whatever you want it to.) Zoe: yeah, what like this photo of mum only it ain't my mum is it. I shouldn't even be here the only reason I am is because it was too late for your to have an abortion
@@smw616 wow how can you understand her?? It’s so hard to understand her when she’s screaming and crying at the same time.
What kind of question is that shes 13...
Why is Zoe having a tantrum and braking thing in the kitchen
She was always a brat.
She’d just found her whole life was one big lie.
@@ellesmith4564 yeah but she showed 0 empathy for her mother. couldn’t understand that it wasn’t all about her, especially before she was even born
@@addangel That’s not how emotions work, at all.
@@aijsdijdni3401 and that’s why people have higher cognitive abilities, so they don’t act purely on emotions
Kat is so damaged. All her mistakes with men stem from here.
Part 3?
Where is part one? xxx
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Zoe I think was meant to be 18 or 19 at this point. But she looked more 25.
She was 17 here.
The old style of filming, lighting and fashions etc can make people look older. If you look at people in the 80s and 90s television in their 20s/30s they look much older of people of a similar age today.
I get zoe's anger but she played the victim and gained everyones sympathy.. but it was kat who was R*ped by her uncle at 13..
Did she not have twins a boy also there was a whole nother program about it lay and Ailfi went to Ireland
Redwater yeah.
I remember Redwater.
Just after 911
Poor Kat i remember this Zoe may of been in shock but come on she showrd no empathy
Zoe pissed me off in this episode, she had no compassion for Kat what so ever! Kat was 13
Zoe was an awful person.
Why?
Eastenders feeling sorry for zoe
Michelle ryan best acter eastenders
9:32
Who’s Zoe’s bio dad?
Kat’s uncle (so Zoe’s own grand-uncle/great-uncle) 😢
@@hwhy2 omg she’s inbreed😣
@@imogenmoonlight sadly yes that's true. Kat's paedophile uncle Harry (Charlie's brother) was 100% at fault for grooming/sexually abusing his niece when she was 13. This abuse resulted in Kat's pregnancy & she gave birth to Zoe - who was raised by Kat's parents Charlie & Viv, while Kat was forced to pretend to be Zoe's sister.
This family sleeps around too much
she didn’t sleep around she was raped at 13😐
team zoe
@@lukebaker9116 I Understand Zoe and being told her mom was her sister , and lied to by so many people , its no wonder she treats Kat this way
@@jaredporikos2197 But Kat was raped by her uncle.
@@Quirky_Ventriloquist Zoe didn't care , she was always defending him.
@@jaredporikos2197 Defending who, Harry?
@@Quirky_Ventriloquist yes , Harry
In my country Uncle and niece don't do sex with each other. It's not allowed
It's illegal in most countries
It's illegal in the UK too.
True absolutely that is true but Harry was a rapist he didn't just rape Kat he also raped a lot of others too as heard by this nun I can't remember who she was called though.
@@Quirky_Ventriloquist How did the nun know how many women and girls Harry raped?
@@Quirky_Ventriloquist Thank you, I had no idea Zoe had a twin brother!
Very chavy common family
Little Mo wasn't really but the rest sort of were chavy.