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Funny thing that they mention the Mary Celeste, since the skipper who found was accused of all sorts of insane crimes, from killing the crew, being in league with the skipper of the Mary Celeste and involved insome sort of insurance scam. And when he was eventually paid his salvage fee it was nowhere near the 5000 dollars that he had originally been promised.
People always ask why Katie wasn't cut by the cable and the captain caught it in the face. The clip isn't shown in this review, but in the movie, there's a shot of the captain glancing over just as the wire snapped. He ducked down to protect Katie. In fact, just before the bodies hit the floor, there a close up of Katie crouched down a little in his arms. The wire missed her, but he was too tall, so he ended up decapitated. I'd say that it was an issue of the audience not paying enough attention, but because SO many people missed it, I'd argue it was the editor or director's fault for not making the action more evident.
Anyone blaming us for not using "Logic" is wrong. The scene is on UA-cam and you can put it in slow motion. There is no "ducking". You see the wire 3 inches from his face, and the next time you see him, he's hugging the girl. The wire was heading towards exactly where its shown to have cut him. So it makes no sense why he got hit in the mouth BEFORE ducking, And everyone else got cut below the ribcage.
I thought the scene where Fer. negotiates price, meant that he wanted them on the ship enough for him to lure them. If someone came up to you and said that there is a huge ship waiting to be salvaged and that he/she wants no cut in the findings, then it looks like a trap immediately. By making an offer and then getting countered and then accepting the counter he guarantees himself that this crew would go out to sea. He could've also done it to have the option of going with them. If he says 10 % plus him riding along then he could get either rejected or accepted but by setting himself up for a counter he sets himself up for the addition of him going along with them. I think negotiating is more believable than just low-balling his offer.
This was my thinking as well. he did it in a way that he could return counter with going with them making it seem like he's just interested in protecting his 10% after giving a bunch of money up.
I liked it too. But I'm not the kind of person who goes to movies to pick apart every single thing. Regardless, the reviewer lost me at the point he said Event Horizon was a great movie.
With the wire scene in the opening, I read that the captain bent down to protect Katie, and that's how he got cut through the mouth and such, and not through his midsection.
Another thing I forgot to mention, apparently the movie was supposed to be very different from what we got. It was supposed to be a relatively bloodless psychological horror about four salvage crew members who get stranded in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean aboard the remains of a cruise ship (The Chimera) believed to have been lost in the 1960s. Then, over the course of one night, each member - whether it be from panic, cabin fever, or supernatural forces - goes insane and plots to kill the other three members of the crew. But from what I can understand, Dark Castle Entertainment got cold feet at deviating from a standard horror formula and doing something "a little outside the box" at the time. Taking a chance on something different was a risk some were unwilling to take, so they more or less completely rewrote the script into what it is now. In a 2014 Drama Actress Roundtable discussion, Julianne Margulies said the original script is why she signed on to star, and once she got off the plane in Australia and was handed a totally different script she was heartbroken. This is an extract from the discussion: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What was the most difficult phase of your career? Margulies: OK, I'll start: 2002's Ghost Ship. It had been written as a psychological thriller about what happens when you have too much of something -- money is evil, greed, and these two people start going crazy -- so I said yes! It was a big Warner Bros. picture. I was the lead with Gabriel Byrne. Then I got off the plane in Australia and the script had totally changed. Suddenly, I was in a really awful horror movie, and it was shocking. Did you blame anybody? Margulies: No. Whom do you blame? I think you get back up and go, "Maybe there's a better one down the road." And I'm huge in Japan. (Laughter) I don't think there's anything you can do except be disappointed for a minute and move on. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Margulies' words echo the thoughts of many associated with the film. It's a controversy and sore spot for some even after 12 years. The hasty rewrites, I think, definitely explain a lot of the plot holes, logic gaps and dumber aspects of the movie. Sorry for the long post BTW. X3
Yeah. I've read that's what happened too. Didn't know they changed it without Julia Margulies's knowledge, though. The original script was titled "Chimera". I came across it online a year or so ago, but never got around to reading it.
I'm disappointed to know that Juliana Marguiles would classify the movie as "awful". I really like the plot, I like the performances and the special effects. As a former cruise ship officer myself I have always enjoyed cruise ship movies plus this is actually the only one (as far as I remember) that shows a cruise ship as part of a thriller.
I always thought Ferryman was a demon of some sort. And he had to corrupt those souls he wanted to take in someway to prepare them for hell. So in my opinion The bargaining scene at the beginning was a test to see if they were greedy.
Hearing him talk about the movie and its "villain", and it just clicked. His name is Ferriman and he uses gold to collect souls on a ship to take to the afterlife.....the Ferryman (aka Charon) of the river Styx! LMFAO 😂
You are correct, Ferriman is indeed a demon of some sort because the photo that the captain gives to Murphy is revealed when Murphy dies in the tank, and it shows a dead Ferriman. Not only dead, but looking exactly the same age in the past as he currently looks in the present. 22:00
@@TheBushdoctor68 you sure hes supposed to be dead in that picture?? Looks more like hes alive and playing injured to lull them into a false sense of security.
I liked this movie. I dont care how many ridiculous plot/ production points i had to look past. It was fun and it was different. I put it in the "good bad movies" category.
Farryman, Farry Man. He is supposed to be a stand in for the Fary Man of the river Styxs. If you know your mythology you had to PAY the fary man in order to cross the river. So his 10% is the fee to cross the river styxs.
So I guess Charon, decided to branch out the business a little bit get some of Satans action, cause no where in the myth does it say that he's some kind of tempter, who actively searches out and collects souls and makes them evil or whatever, and considering that his main objective for the film, he can hardly be considered the same good old Psychopomp.
I wonder how the rats managed to survive on the ship for so long. Yeah, they had a shit ton of food and corpses to feed off from, but 40 years the food had to run out sometime. And since rats multiply like crazy, that would've made the food run out even faster.
To explain the captain, there have been several shots of him and the little girl dancing to show that he was bending over to be around her level. In the behind the scenes footage it explains that is why his head gets sliced instead of the waist.
Hi there. Bit of a Ghost Ship afficionado here who's willing to admit the film's flaws but who still likes it for some strange reason - bravo on the review, it was a lot of fun to watch and I'm definately checking out more of your stuff after this. For what it's worth, I've read the original script and tried for years to get hold of the shooting draft with no luck so far. The original one has some strengths (preferring slow chills to big scares), but doesn't have much drive pushing it forward and everything is left frustratingly vague as to how the ship was lost and whether or it is just a derelict hulk or a supernatural apparition - it also calls for big and expensive sets and sequences but never puts them to best use - i.e. the film starts on a barge under tow, but it's just to establish a scene, or a big point is made out of the derelict ship's ballroom, but nothing ever happens there as payoff. Likewise the flashback sequence calls for the ship interiors to be pristinely restored, but nothing much happens during Epp's time-displaced walkaround of the passenger spaces - the only payoff to the sequence occurs in the cargo hold and Katie's cabin - a lot of money for very little returned. This might explain why Dark Castle balked somewhat. I suspect there's a hypothetical interim draft that balanced the strengths of both - the first draft's smarts with the rewrite's punch. Anyhow, I came not to defend Ghost Ship, but to share something you might find interesting. As you point out, in the film Murphy completely butchers his account of the Marie Celeste. In the first draft, he gets it almost spot-on: MURPHY Ever heard of the Mary Celeste? EPPS Nope. MURPHY She was a two-masted brig boat sailing out of New York in 1872. One day she was sighted off the coast of Portugal by a merchant vessel, the Dei Gratia. As the crew of the Dei Gratia got closer, they discovered that no one was at the helm of the Mary Celeste. On boarding, they found her completely deserted. The captain, his wife, their daughter, and the entire crew, all gone. The last entry in their log made no mention of any trouble. The table was even set for dinner. And in the nine days after the last entry, she sailed 700 miles without anyone aboard. EPPS So what did happen? MURPHY Nobody knows. There've been a lot of theories, of course. But we'll never really know for sure. EPPS You think she's sailing without a crew? Murphy looks out at the Chimera off the bow. MURPHY I think we'd be surprised where a drifting ship might wind up with a little wind and the right current. EPPS You're more practical than superstitious. MURPHY Only way to be. Epps nods, takes another sip of coffee, looking on at the rusting hull of the Chimera stretching off in the light. * It's not quite perfect - the Mary Celeste travelled 700km without a crew, not 700miles, and was found halfway between Portugal and the Azores, but other than that, it's pretty close, right down to the nine days since the last log entry. The first draft can be read here for the interested, so that it can be judged against the final product: www.dailyscript.com/scripts/ghost_ship.html And I completely agree, Event Horizon is awesome!
Also, I'm pretty sure Ferryman was so insistent on his fee so he wouldn't be too suspicious. Of he gave them a ridiculously great deal, they might think it's too good to be true and not take the job.
That was also my assumption. He was trying to appear as someone who didn't just want them to go to the ship at all cost. Also it gave him an excuse for demanding to tag along.
To be honest, I like the movie because of the setting. I'm an ocean liner enthusiast. That doesn't change all the film's problems, though. I can't say they were that original with the ship. The Antonia Graza's exteriors were heavily inspired by another 50s Italian ocean liner, the Andrea Doria, and her interiors were inspired by the 30s French liner Normandie. It could have been worse. The Graza could have been a 1910s-era steamship with four funnels, just like one ship we all know of.
It's cool that the villain's name is "Ferriman," and he is a collector of souls. In Greek mythology, Charon (or Kharon) is the ferryman of Hades, who carries souls of the newly deceased across the river Styx. Yeah, I'm a dork.
i would imagine the bodies they found were not the original passengers, hence there not being hundreds, but in fact they belonged to whomever left the digital watch and razor with blood in the sink. Which would suggest that this is not the first expedition ferryman ,or someone like him, has made to this ship seeking to cash in on souls.
I'm not sure if the analogy still holds true but this is a perfect cable movie. Back in the day when you couldn't decide to watch anything you want online, you took chances with the 4 or 8 movie channels your cable company offered. Since you really had no expectations and only chose a movie cause it looked like the least shit out of the ones playing. Movies like these were just easier to enjoy because it really was the best thing on at that time. But it really did make movies seem more interesting and enjoyable than they really were. And I think that was a good thing.
12:06 yea it does not get explained why there are some 3 week old bodies. But it is really easy to figure out that they were also salvagers and they were the ones that came before this team, left the digital watch and later got killed by the spirits.
let just assumed that, the ferryman is doing this for 4 decades and doing it once a month, (because of the discovering of 3 weeks old bodies). assuming a team of salvagers has 5-7 persons, 12x4x10x(5 to 7)= thats has to be at least, 100 rotted corpse, 50 rotting corpse and hundreds of skeleton, 1000 skeleton ashes, but we only get to see a dozen fresh bodies? and the soul counts at the end of the movie reach 10000.
Maybe the 20% was a sort of tie in to people who were buried with a coin over each eye so that they have something to pay the ferryman for safe passage to the underworld.
You know, with a bit more character development or better scripting, it would be a clever nod. Like, say, if the script focused more on Ferryman and why he'd be collecting the living instead of just ferrying the dead. I feel like this could have been the plot for a good Neil Gaiman story.
I wanna say that him initially insisting on his fee was his way of testing their level of greed - since that seems to be what makes it possible for him to mark them, like he doesn't get their souls unless he proves they're greedy.
You are correct. You can tell by the way she perks up at seeing the crew before he comes into sight. She thinks it might be them but she's confused and well not in good shape. But once she sees him she knows.
I really like this movie. I hate how it's not really liked. The wire scene could work. I mean a broken wire can easily cut you open. The title is a pun (but in this case works), and the villain is literally all evil of mankind. The only way to fight him is an act of pure selflessness. And even then, he's ready for round 2 after. And you missed 1 very important thing. The 'cruiseship crew' where HER OLD CREW. And at least it's haunting makes more sense than Event Horizon's. Black Hole = Gateway to hell? Explain please!
Breaking-strain on the gauge of wire, and the ultra-thin cuts break the immersion. A thicker cable could carry the tension needed to do a lot of damage but would leave huge cuts and trauma around the wounds. A thin cable wouldn't have the mass to carry through many people, and also couldn't do the ultra-fine cuts. You _might_ get a very fine cut off a bandsaw blade somehow going sideways, but still not much inertia over distance
Glad someone else thought of Death Ship. Someone must have liked the soul collecting element of Ghost Ship because Ghost Voyage was made a few years after Ghost Ship. I liked Ghost Voyage better.
I didn't see the movie but even mooring lines can cut you in half if they snap and you're in the way. Sailors have lost life and limb to those accidents, they can even cut into steel. Mooring lines are 6 to 8 inch rope, not steel. So I have no problem believing steel can cut through a man with enough speed. At my current job we make bales of cardboard that are tied with aluminium wire of about the same thickness. If they snap they will slice through flesh(though not thick bone but I bet you could lose a finger) as shown in our safety training videos and they aren't even that tight. Fast moving cables are extremely dangerous the tension in them builds huge amounts of internal and potential energy which when released is almost all and instantly converted to kinetic energy, which is super bad news for anyone in their way.
cables can kill yes, but they cannot cut a body in half I have seen the experiments conducted, "a 5/8 steel cable at 30,000 lbs of tension was unable to cut a pig in two (or even cut into it), but did cause potentially lethal injuries, even a smaller cable attached to large one to created a whip effect was unable to cut the pig"
I have to disagree because like everything in the Navy they showed us footage of what happens when you fuck up. I saw a guy lose his arm to a mooring line. A guy get sucked into a jet engine. A guy get blown overboard by one. And a guy it blown into the island(the tower on top of a carrier) and died on impact. A jet land wrong, catch on fire, setting a nearby jet on fire which cause its missles to launch into another jet and they ended up deep sixing 5 jets. Mooring lines are different than steel cables but if an 8 inch rope can do it why not a steel cable? No none of this was is person it was all accident footage from various flight decks and ships decks, are safety was pretty high but it has and does happen.
okay the only one you mentioned there with relevance was a guy losing an arm that is not the same as being sliced in two, a cable could easily tear am arm off, thats not what were talking about, I have seen footage of the exact conditions shown in the film and it NOT producing the same result, so until I see otherwise I'm going with the scientific experiment, also the experiment found that there was no official record of a person being sliced in two, it was all third party rumour and myth which inevitably floats (pardon the pun) through, fishing and navy communities.
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LMFAO, I actually forgot all about this damn movie except for the very beginning wire massacre scene. As bonkers and impossible as the physics of that scene are, I remember it being one of my favorite death scenes from any movie back when I saw it. I seen to remember this movie coming out when I was in high school, and the movie theater was the place to be on Friday nights, so I used to see new movies every week and the theater went nuts when that shit happened, especially when the captain's head slowly split in half and slipped off. We used to fucking love going to see all these gorefests back then, and there were plenty to choose from so when a particular scene was remembered and talked about all week at school it was considered pretty fucking sweet, lol. After the original Final destination and Saw movies came out and started spawning sequel after sequel and coming up with crazier and gorier traps and Rube Goldberg style deaths, it became kind of tricky for them to come up with crazy enough kills to keep us bloodthirsty high school kids satisfied, lol. I don't remember anything else about this fucking movie, (even after watching this review) but that fucking opening scene where the wire cuts an entire deck of people dancing on an ocean liner is still one of the coolest looking kill scenes no matter how ridiculous or improbable it is in real life.
maybe he wanted to haggle the price at the start, so it didnt sound too good to be true. he was talking about the middle of know where after all making it sound legit was just a way to get them there. the gold was his bait not the ship itself, thats why you see it being loaded onto another one at the end. i'm also guessing x amount of souls needed to be evil. thats whats for, 'convincing' ppl to kill for it, thus tainting them...coz c'mon stealing isnt all that soul damning
well thats a conundrum we have scientifically recreated simulations that say its not possible in the way shown in the film or someones grandad says its real.....thats a head scratcher, also i don't know your grandad but i still know for a fact he never saw a cable slice cleanly through glass.
again we have scientifically recreated accurate simulations that say no, I'm more inclined to believe that then any kind of word of mouth story telling, because thats exactly how the scene got made in first place, because the writers thought it was possible.
Awesome review. It's great that you pointed out that this movie felt like an Event Horizon ripoff since that's exactly what I thought leaving the theater.
I totally see your points about this film but this is a Dark Castle film. It's absolutely how Castle would have done it. it doesn't have to follow physics, it has to make the audience be amazed and shocked. I love the dark humour that runs through all Dark Castle films, it's comic and mildy unbelievable on purpose. I totally prefer House on Haunted Hill though. x
Hi! First of all: Great review! Even on a rewatch. Second of all, concerning the negotiation scene around 3:25 and your comment that the percentage thingdoesn't make much sense: This is something I thought about for a while, and to me Ferryman's negotiation totally makes sense. That is for one simple reason: If he just accepted all demands and conditions that Murphy asks of him for the job, and without hesitation or coaxing, than Murphy would likeely get the feeling this job offer is too good to be true. After all, this crew is (kinda) smart and experienced - and this claim is very tempting, even with 20% of the finder's fee going to Ferryman. Also, he could use the percentage argument as leverage to go with them without raising much suspicion. Just my 2 cents...
I guess I just don't know why they would ever be suspicious of an amazing job offer, It's not like demonic soul gathers are a common hazard in the salvage business.
True, but other hazards are problably more common (like those death defying stunts in the earlier scene showed). And if a guy like Murphy gets such an offer, then makes his own demands and gets no resistance whatsoever - I would have seconds thoughts about this job if I were him. Because I would think: What's the matter with this ship if he is not interested in the money involved? At least Ferryman has to act like this was a legitimate salvage mission instead of just leading some poor sods into his trap. But maybe I'm just reading too much into a mediocre horror movie from early 2000s...
with people doing jobs as safe as pizza delivery being robbed at gunpoint, the idea that someone would give them millions of dollars worth of salvage for free doesn't sound dangerous? have you ever heard of pirates?
Could the reason Ferryman asked for a percentage be because you have to pay the ferryman to get on his boat ? As in a coin for the Ferryman: Charon and the Journey to Hades. There was a time when the living covered the mouths of their dead with a single coin before their final goodbye. The ritual appeared in different traditions, and it survived until as recently as the 20th century. The dead pay for their passage to the Otherworld. In Ancient Greece, it was the realm of Hades, separated from the land of the living by five rivers. It was a perilous journey, and there was only one guide to take the recently departed to their final destination. That's my theory anyway
How the hell does the boxes of gold make sense? Unless it's a completely different set of boxes, and they do not appear to be that way, they should have sunk with the ship.
@@Manx-lb1oc I'm going to guess it's still the original gold, Ferryman is a demon after all, the gold is just the lure to bring out the worst in people.
You really seem to have it in for this movie from the go. A little surprising considering how easy you took it on Thirteen Ghosts. While clearly not a horror masterpiece I enjoyed this much more than Thirteen Ghosts.
By showing the audience the ghosts early on instead of the characters in the film, isn't it the same idea as showing the audience the bomb while two gentlemen have a conversation in a café who don't know it is there? An example you used in your review of "13 Ghosts".
I can see what you mean but the difference in my opinion is the element of tension, in 13 ghost it has that element of suspense but here, it feel like they're just showing it to us, theres no implied peril because it has no connection to the characters its exclusively for the audience, thats the difference.
Perhaps it's for a more 'organic' environment. The ghosts don't exists for the benefit of the characters, so it's showing them doing things regardless of if the characters see? IDK
Yeah, but to what purpose? The pool fills up with blood and bodies, oooo, so scary! But the pool is never mentioned again and the ghosts have to outright explain the entire plot because the mystery is too confusing.
I feel like it's more lively to have stuff going on they don't see I guess, can't explain it any better than that. Sure, you don't want to fill your movie with too much of it but at the same time if the only things going on are 'important' and things they can see it starts feeling very stiff and fake. Sometimes things just happen. Although you could argue that as a plot device it's flimsy af and I'd agree on the basis of the last bit you said there.
You use Dramatic Irony for tension. There's no tension being created by the pool. If there was a ghost that starts haunting the main character and following her around because she fell into the pool, fine.
One bit of good irony is .... After the Arctic Warrior explodes with Santos on board, Dodge gets into a scuffle with Ferriman and accuses him of causing his mate's death because Ferriman got them there in the first place. He has no idea how right he is.
This is one of those movies I wanted to like but just ends up feeling like a wasted effects budget to me. It's like it's almost ok but then fell flat in the storyboard/final script rewrite.
I realize I'm six years late now but thank you for the Event Horizon recommendation! As a fan of sci-fi and Sam Neill this film was very interesting. Also having just watched Ghost Ship as well I could definitely see the similarities 😏
So, i noticed that the game Man of Medan takes lots of inspiration based on this movie and the urban legend about the Ourang Medan. Including the ore, the ilusions...
Something I feel was a missed opportunity was that the Captain wasn't made a more important character and specifically I mean the captain of the ghost ship. He's shown to be extremely compassionate and kind, both in offering to have Katie dance and then protecting her when the wire is set loose. He's one of the few ghosts who had more personality and thus you'd figure he'd be given more to do in the movie, but he doesn't. You'd figure after everything that happened he do what he can to protect Katie's spirit, seeing it as a form of atonement for failing to protect her when they were alive.
I don't know how you chewed through this movie without mentioning the movie "Death Ship", starring Christian Slater. If you look at both movie posters, they are almost identical, except the premise of death ship is that it is a Nazi ghost ship. I have always associated both movies in my mind, and they are both shlocky creepy.
I always wished for a 2nd film of the lady going after the soul hunter and she make up a crew to hunt him. Saving souls, maybe even getting souls to join her crew. But that would be to complex for castle.
If you give someone an offer thats too good to be true they often won't go for it not believing you, but if you give them an offer that shows you want to gain from it and they can too and they try to negotiate the price they are more willing to do it. In bartering you usually go for a higher price than the one you want so you can either make more than what you want or give the illusion that the other person is getting a deal when really your getting what you want or more.
The captain's head gets sliced because Katie goes up to his chest. If he got sliced at chest height like everyone else, Katie being alive wouldn't make any sense.
Why do we see Ferryman release the wire instead of a crewman ? Since the crew in the hidden footage discuss it ? But I have to agree with Daecon since even I knew more about the Mary Celeste then the writers of the film, and the "horror" clearily the director took cues from that god awful Texas Chain Saw Massacre remake with Jordanna Brewster by throwing in a shit tonne of gore and blood rather then genuine horror.
According to Google, 1 bar of gold is worth $506,400 US. So 1-2 bars would suit me, the just got greedy ;] Maybe Ferryman argued on the price as salvage crews maybe a weary bunch so he didn't want to make them suspicious if it was too good?
Probably best we not take all early 2,000's films so dang seriously. It's campy, if you check out the bts footage then you'd see that that was the intention from the get-go. Not everyone's shooting for the Oscars and that's perfectly fine.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, doesn't have to be oscar worthy (the academy is ridiculous anyway) but I've said it many times, if you want your film to to have any impact of me, you have to ground it in some sort of reality, cause quite frankly I don't find itchy and scratchy cartoons entertaining or as its a horror film, scary/thrilling
I would suspend my disbelief, but if a horror movie is gonna try and scare me it would need to be believable, because I don't find cartoons shocking or horrifying.
The film is a retelling of the Pardoner's Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer, (as is Event Horizon) about men seeking death and via a pile of gold finding it. Ferryman (Charon) using greed as the temptation fool people into killing themselves. Epps survives and can hurt Ferryman because she is not motivated greed and in a clever piece of scripting the one thing that can harm Charnos is the tree of life known as the epps tree. This is also why Epps does not die. The end is simply death triumphant, gathering a new ferry unto himself. Also in medieval law, contemporary with the original story, the law of salvage does apply, Charnos is simply messing with their heads, turning them in to pirates.
One thing I'll say about the dried blood - if a movie gets it realistic, most people won't recognize it, so they go more with what people expect than with what's real.
Just like how explosions in movies always appear like they were caused by incendiary bombs, so many people assume bomb explosions are normally fiery explosions.
No, thats not what a reviewer, a critic does, I'm not gonna just let something go because oh some people might like this film, and I'm not gonna apologies for having what I consider reasonable standards when it comes to films, I see something I personally find bad or incorrect or badly written and then I talk about, but on the flip side of that if I see something thats good, or correct or well written I shall talk about that too.
Hey man, two years on, but thought I'd say how much I agree with this review. I watched this movie once, and it left me completely apathetic. I just saw it as a massive waste of time. Looking back, I'm really surprised Karl Urban and Gabriel Byrne signed up for this shitshow.
this movie is what got me into horror at a young age. it’s also the first scary movie I watched with my dad. I was eight and we watched the “making of” first so that I understood that none of it was real. it helped foster my love of horror and SFX. I’m thinking of getting some type of Ghost Ship tattoo in honour of my dad and my love of horror. (he’s still around btw)
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Why didn't the film makers give Ferriman a first name starting with either a C or a K? Ferriman as in Charon/Karon the Ferryman.
Funny thing that they mention the Mary Celeste, since the skipper who found was accused of all sorts of insane crimes, from killing the crew, being in league with the skipper of the Mary Celeste and involved insome sort of insurance scam. And when he was eventually paid his salvage fee it was nowhere near the 5000 dollars that he had originally been promised.
People always ask why Katie wasn't cut by the cable and the captain caught it in the face.
The clip isn't shown in this review, but in the movie, there's a shot of the captain glancing over just as the wire snapped. He ducked down to protect Katie. In fact, just before the bodies hit the floor, there a close up of Katie crouched down a little in his arms. The wire missed her, but he was too tall, so he ended up decapitated.
I'd say that it was an issue of the audience not paying enough attention, but because SO many people missed it, I'd argue it was the editor or director's fault for not making the action more evident.
Yep everything you said is true
Im going with people not being observant, because even without the clip, you can reasonably think thats how it happened
I believe that the fault lies with the people just missing basic logic on this one...
Anyone blaming us for not using "Logic" is wrong. The scene is on UA-cam and you can put it in slow motion. There is no "ducking". You see the wire 3 inches from his face, and the next time you see him, he's hugging the girl. The wire was heading towards exactly where its shown to have cut him. So it makes no sense why he got hit in the mouth BEFORE ducking, And everyone else got cut below the ribcage.
Its just people being too critical and thinking they’ve “spotted something” when it has an explanation
I thought the scene where Fer. negotiates price, meant that he wanted them on the ship enough for him to lure them. If someone came up to you and said that there is a huge ship waiting to be salvaged and that he/she wants no cut in the findings, then it looks like a trap immediately. By making an offer and then getting countered and then accepting the counter he guarantees himself that this crew would go out to sea. He could've also done it to have the option of going with them. If he says 10 % plus him riding along then he could get either rejected or accepted but by setting himself up for a counter he sets himself up for the addition of him going along with them. I think negotiating is more believable than just low-balling his offer.
This was my thinking as well. he did it in a way that he could return counter with going with them making it seem like he's just interested in protecting his 10% after giving a bunch of money up.
I loved this movie
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Ferryman takes them to the ship well aware of that they will either salvage it or find the gold in the cargo hold and leave with it.
@@carolynratliff5922 Me too, wish it would have been a sequel. This and deep rising are 2 of my favorite ship movies.
Honestly....... ? The dude who asked them to find the ship is called 'Ferryman'? Thats not subtle, at all.
One of the problems with the movie, yeah. But he's still an awesome horror movie badguy!
SuperSwordman1 No, he's not. And as Chris DeBurgh sang, "Don't Pay The Ferryman." The film's producers shouldn't have paid the ferryman.
I would have said my name is Ghostboat. And done a dramatic music sting. "My name is...GHOOOOST BOAT! DIN DUN DUN DIN DUN!"
I'm gonna be honest, it is not a perfect movie, but god damn, I love this movie lol
Rebecca Fix That's pretty much my opinion on most Dark Castle movies. Flawed, but you always come back to them due to how fun they are.
Rebecca Fix hell yeah, I don't care how bad it is, I love it.
I liked it too. But I'm not the kind of person who goes to movies to pick apart every single thing. Regardless, the reviewer lost me at the point he said Event Horizon was a great movie.
Rebecca Fix totally agree
Same and the music was good too.
With the wire scene in the opening, I read that the captain bent down to protect Katie, and that's how he got cut through the mouth and such, and not through his midsection.
Fair enough, Doesn't really change all the other ridiculous problems with that scene though.
True.
Another thing I forgot to mention, apparently the movie was supposed to be very different from what we got.
It was supposed to be a relatively bloodless psychological horror
about four salvage crew members who get stranded in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean aboard the remains of a cruise ship (The Chimera) believed to have been lost in the 1960s. Then, over the course of one night, each member - whether it be from panic, cabin fever, or supernatural forces - goes insane and plots to kill the other three members of the crew.
But from what I can understand, Dark Castle Entertainment got cold feet at deviating from a standard horror formula and doing something "a little outside the box" at the time. Taking a chance on something different was a risk some were unwilling to take, so they more or less completely rewrote the script into what it is now.
In a 2014 Drama Actress Roundtable discussion, Julianne Margulies said the original script is why she signed on to star, and once she got off the plane in Australia and was handed a totally different script she was heartbroken.
This is an extract from the discussion:
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What was the most difficult phase of your career?
Margulies: OK, I'll start: 2002's Ghost Ship. It had been written as a psychological thriller about what happens when you have too much of
something -- money is evil, greed, and these two people start going
crazy -- so I said yes!
It was a big Warner Bros. picture. I was the lead with Gabriel
Byrne. Then I got off the plane in Australia and the script had totally
changed. Suddenly, I was in a really awful horror movie, and it was
shocking.
Did you blame anybody?
Margulies: No. Whom do you blame? I think you get back up and go,
"Maybe there's a better one down the road." And I'm huge in Japan. (Laughter)
I don't think there's anything you can do except be disappointed for a minute and move on.
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Margulies' words echo the thoughts of many associated with the film.
It's a controversy and sore spot for some even after 12 years.
The hasty rewrites, I think, definitely explain a lot of the plot holes, logic gaps and dumber aspects of the movie.
Sorry for the long post BTW. X3
Yeah. I've read that's what happened too. Didn't know they changed it without Julia Margulies's knowledge, though. The original script was titled "Chimera". I came across it online a year or so ago, but never got around to reading it.
I'm disappointed to know that Juliana Marguiles would classify the movie as "awful". I really like the plot, I like the performances and the special effects. As a former cruise ship officer myself I have always enjoyed cruise ship movies plus this is actually the only one (as far as I remember) that shows a cruise ship as part of a thriller.
I always thought Ferryman was a demon of some sort. And he had to corrupt those souls he wanted to take in someway to prepare them for hell. So in my opinion The bargaining scene at the beginning was a test to see if they were greedy.
Hearing him talk about the movie and its "villain", and it just clicked. His name is Ferriman and he uses gold to collect souls on a ship to take to the afterlife.....the Ferryman (aka Charon) of the river Styx! LMFAO 😂
How ferrimans explains it, makes it seem like he's just an aggressive manipulative grim reaper.
who has to reach a certain quota.
You are correct, Ferriman is indeed a demon of some sort because the photo that the captain gives to Murphy is revealed when Murphy dies in the tank, and it shows a dead Ferriman. Not only dead, but looking exactly the same age in the past as he currently looks in the present. 22:00
@@TheBushdoctor68 you sure hes supposed to be dead in that picture?? Looks more like hes alive and playing injured to lull them into a false sense of security.
and his last name is ferryman, like the ferryman on the river stix
I liked this movie.
I dont care how many ridiculous plot/ production points i had to look past. It was fun and it was different. I put it in the "good bad movies" category.
Farryman, Farry Man. He is supposed to be a stand in for the Fary Man of the river Styxs. If you know your mythology you had to PAY the fary man in order to cross the river. So his 10% is the fee to cross the river styxs.
So I guess Charon, decided to branch out the business a little bit get some of Satans action, cause no where in the myth does it say that he's some kind of tempter, who actively searches out and collects souls and makes them evil or whatever, and considering that his main objective for the film, he can hardly be considered the same good old Psychopomp.
Deusdaecon Reviews Times are tough all over man. We all need a side hustle.
And the crew never passed on.
Don't pay the ferryman
Ferryman.
I wonder how the rats managed to survive on the ship for so long. Yeah, they had a shit ton of food and corpses to feed off from, but 40 years the food had to run out sometime. And since rats multiply like crazy, that would've made the food run out even faster.
well rats have been known to resort to cannibalism.
@@deusdeaconReviews A Ship with homicidal crew members, ghosts AND cannibal rats!?!?! Here come the Yelpers!
To explain the captain, there have been several shots of him and the little girl dancing to show that he was bending over to be around her level. In the behind the scenes footage it explains that is why his head gets sliced instead of the waist.
Hi there. Bit of a Ghost Ship afficionado here who's willing to admit the film's flaws but who still likes it for some strange reason - bravo on the review, it was a lot of fun to watch and I'm definately checking out more of your stuff after this.
For what it's worth, I've read the original script and tried for years to get hold of the shooting draft with no luck so far. The original one has some strengths (preferring slow chills to big scares), but doesn't have much drive pushing it forward and everything is left frustratingly vague as to how the ship was lost and whether or it is just a derelict hulk or a supernatural apparition - it also calls for big and expensive sets and sequences but never puts them to best use - i.e. the film starts on a barge under tow, but it's just to establish a scene, or a big point is made out of the derelict ship's ballroom, but nothing ever happens there as payoff. Likewise the flashback sequence calls for the ship interiors to be pristinely restored, but nothing much happens during Epp's time-displaced walkaround of the passenger spaces - the only payoff to the sequence occurs in the cargo hold and Katie's cabin - a lot of money for very little returned. This might explain why Dark Castle balked somewhat. I suspect there's a hypothetical interim draft that balanced the strengths of both - the first draft's smarts with the rewrite's punch.
Anyhow, I came not to defend Ghost Ship, but to share something you might find interesting. As you point out, in the film Murphy completely butchers his account of the Marie Celeste. In the first draft, he gets it almost spot-on:
MURPHY
Ever heard of the Mary Celeste?
EPPS
Nope.
MURPHY
She was a two-masted brig boat sailing
out of New York in 1872. One day
she was sighted off the coast of
Portugal by a merchant vessel, the
Dei Gratia. As the crew of the Dei
Gratia got closer, they discovered
that no one was at the helm of the
Mary Celeste. On boarding, they found
her completely deserted. The captain,
his wife, their daughter, and the
entire crew, all gone. The last entry
in their log made no mention of any
trouble. The table was even set for
dinner. And in the nine days after
the last entry, she sailed 700 miles
without anyone aboard.
EPPS
So what did happen?
MURPHY
Nobody knows. There've been a lot of
theories, of course. But we'll never
really know for sure.
EPPS
You think she's sailing without a
crew?
Murphy looks out at the Chimera off the bow.
MURPHY
I think we'd be surprised where a
drifting ship might wind up with a
little wind and the right current.
EPPS
You're more practical than
superstitious.
MURPHY
Only way to be.
Epps nods, takes another sip of coffee, looking on at the
rusting hull of the Chimera stretching off in the light.
*
It's not quite perfect - the Mary Celeste travelled 700km without a crew, not 700miles, and was found halfway between Portugal and the Azores, but other than that, it's pretty close, right down to the nine days since the last log entry.
The first draft can be read here for the interested, so that it can be judged against the final product:
www.dailyscript.com/scripts/ghost_ship.html
And I completely agree, Event Horizon is awesome!
Massive thank you for that link!
Strange how they changed the story about the Mary Celeste when the first draft had gotten it almost right 😐
Also, I'm pretty sure Ferryman was so insistent on his fee so he wouldn't be too suspicious. Of he gave them a ridiculously great deal, they might think it's too good to be true and not take the job.
That was also my assumption. He was trying to appear as someone who didn't just want them to go to the ship at all cost. Also it gave him an excuse for demanding to tag along.
To be honest, I like the movie because of the setting. I'm an ocean liner enthusiast. That doesn't change all the film's problems, though. I can't say they were that original with the ship. The Antonia Graza's exteriors were heavily inspired by another 50s Italian ocean liner, the Andrea Doria, and her interiors were inspired by the 30s French liner Normandie. It could have been worse. The Graza could have been a 1910s-era steamship with four funnels, just like one ship we all know of.
The one thing I do have to give the movie editors props for is that they made a haunted ship and didn't immediately go Titanic
It's cool that the villain's name is "Ferriman," and he is a collector of souls. In Greek mythology, Charon (or Kharon) is the ferryman of Hades, who carries souls of the newly deceased across the river Styx. Yeah, I'm a dork.
krys1301 Yes, and as Chris DeBurgh sang, "Don't Pay The Ferryman." The film's producers shouldn't have paid the Ferriman.
He is from Greece
It makes sense. Because farryman is a soul collector. And he talks about his management aka Hades.
The Captain gets the wire in the face because he bent down to shield the little girl.
that still doesnt explain the sharp upward angle to the cut,
i would imagine the bodies they found were not the original passengers, hence there not being hundreds, but in fact they belonged to whomever left the digital watch and razor with blood in the sink. Which would suggest that this is not the first expedition ferryman ,or someone like him, has made to this ship seeking to cash in on souls.
I'm not sure if the analogy still holds true but this is a perfect cable movie.
Back in the day when you couldn't decide to watch anything you want online, you took chances with the 4 or 8 movie channels your cable company offered.
Since you really had no expectations and only chose a movie cause it looked like the least shit out of the ones playing. Movies like these were just easier to enjoy because it really was the best thing on at that time.
But it really did make movies seem more interesting and enjoyable than they really were.
And I think that was a good thing.
12:06 yea it does not get explained why there are some 3 week old bodies. But it is really easy to figure out that they were also salvagers and they were the ones that came before this team, left the digital watch and later got killed by the spirits.
I wasn't questioning the presence of bodies I was questioning why arent there more bodies on the ship.
Yea there should be skeletons of those who died 40 years ago in the massacre if you mean that.
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let just assumed that, the ferryman is doing this for 4 decades and doing it once a month, (because of the discovering of 3 weeks old bodies). assuming a team of salvagers has 5-7 persons, 12x4x10x(5 to 7)= thats has to be at least, 100 rotted corpse, 50 rotting corpse and hundreds of skeleton, 1000 skeleton ashes, but we only get to see a dozen fresh bodies? and the soul counts at the end of the movie reach 10000.
Is it possible the ghosts made them hallucinate maggots?
Jennifer Campbell yup
@Araber Braucht Kohle ABK reminds me of that part in The Lost Boys
Maybe the 20% was a sort of tie in to people who were buried with a coin over each eye so that they have something to pay the ferryman for safe passage to the underworld.
You know, with a bit more character development or better scripting, it would be a clever nod. Like, say, if the script focused more on Ferryman and why he'd be collecting the living instead of just ferrying the dead. I feel like this could have been the plot for a good Neil Gaiman story.
Wrong Event Horizon was made 5 years before in 1997 and ghost ship was in 2002
Indeed my mistake
I wanna say that him initially insisting on his fee was his way of testing their level of greed - since that seems to be what makes it possible for him to mark them, like he doesn't get their souls unless he proves they're greedy.
When I watched this I assumed that he negotiated the price because he's the ferryman and you have to pay the ferryman to get down the River Styx
That would make sense.
Notice the crew liner's staff is her dead crew mates...Meaning it's a cycle
At first glance you could mistake it because of the blonde guy but nah
Can you elaborate a little?? What do you mean the crew members were her dead crew mates? Did I miss something? I kinda dont get what you mean there
You are correct. You can tell by the way she perks up at seeing the crew before he comes into sight. She thinks it might be them but she's confused and well not in good shape. But once she sees him she knows.
Maybe the black guy, the rest aren't her old crew.
So ferryman is the modern day Davy Jones...
I really like this movie. I hate how it's not really liked. The wire scene could work. I mean a broken wire can easily cut you open. The title is a pun (but in this case works), and the villain is literally all evil of mankind. The only way to fight him is an act of pure selflessness. And even then, he's ready for round 2 after.
And you missed 1 very important thing. The 'cruiseship crew' where HER OLD CREW.
And at least it's haunting makes more sense than Event Horizon's. Black Hole = Gateway to hell? Explain please!
Breaking-strain on the gauge of wire, and the ultra-thin cuts break the immersion. A thicker cable could carry the tension needed to do a lot of damage but would leave huge cuts and trauma around the wounds. A thin cable wouldn't have the mass to carry through many people, and also couldn't do the ultra-fine cuts. You _might_ get a very fine cut off a bandsaw blade somehow going sideways, but still not much inertia over distance
Ghost Ship reminded me of that older film Death Ship about the Nazi dreadnaught which more or less had the same general story.
the covers look exactly the same actually
Glad someone else thought of Death Ship.
Someone must have liked the soul collecting element of Ghost Ship because Ghost Voyage was made a few years after Ghost Ship. I liked Ghost Voyage better.
I believe that this is a "reboot" of that film
Reminds me of an episode of Soul Eater
Nah definetly more of an event horizon ripoff
I didn't see the movie but even mooring lines can cut you in half if they snap and you're in the way. Sailors have lost life and limb to those accidents, they can even cut into steel.
Mooring lines are 6 to 8 inch rope, not steel. So I have no problem believing steel can cut through a man with enough speed. At my current job we make bales of cardboard that are tied with aluminium wire of about the same thickness. If they snap they will slice through flesh(though not thick bone but I bet you could lose a finger) as shown in our safety training videos and they aren't even that tight.
Fast moving cables are extremely dangerous the tension in them builds huge amounts of internal and potential energy which when released is almost all and instantly converted to kinetic energy, which is super bad news for anyone in their way.
cables can kill yes, but they cannot cut a body in half I have seen the experiments conducted, "a 5/8 steel cable at 30,000 lbs of tension was unable to cut a pig in two (or even cut into it), but did cause potentially lethal injuries, even a smaller cable attached to large one to created a whip effect was unable to cut the pig"
I have to disagree because like everything in the Navy they showed us footage of what happens when you fuck up. I saw a guy lose his arm to a mooring line. A guy get sucked into a jet engine. A guy get blown overboard by one. And a guy it blown into the island(the tower on top of a carrier) and died on impact.
A jet land wrong, catch on fire, setting a nearby jet on fire which cause its missles to launch into another jet and they ended up deep sixing 5 jets.
Mooring lines are different than steel cables but if an 8 inch rope can do it why not a steel cable?
No none of this was is person it was all accident footage from various flight decks and ships decks, are safety was pretty high but it has and does happen.
okay the only one you mentioned there with relevance was a guy losing an arm that is not the same as being sliced in two, a cable could easily tear am arm off, thats not what were talking about, I have seen footage of the exact conditions shown in the film and it NOT producing the same result, so until I see otherwise I'm going with the scientific experiment, also the experiment found that there was no official record of a person being sliced in two, it was all third party rumour and myth which inevitably floats (pardon the pun) through, fishing and navy communities.
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Merely a test for now, to see if I can start uploading to UA-cam again, Ill try and put up as many as possible but its kind of out of my hands if they get copyright flagged.
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LMFAO, I actually forgot all about this damn movie except for the very beginning wire massacre scene. As bonkers and impossible as the physics of that scene are, I remember it being one of my favorite death scenes from any movie back when I saw it. I seen to remember this movie coming out when I was in high school, and the movie theater was the place to be on Friday nights, so I used to see new movies every week and the theater went nuts when that shit happened, especially when the captain's head slowly split in half and slipped off. We used to fucking love going to see all these gorefests back then, and there were plenty to choose from so when a particular scene was remembered and talked about all week at school it was considered pretty fucking sweet, lol. After the original Final destination and Saw movies came out and started spawning sequel after sequel and coming up with crazier and gorier traps and Rube Goldberg style deaths, it became kind of tricky for them to come up with crazy enough kills to keep us bloodthirsty high school kids satisfied, lol. I don't remember anything else about this fucking movie, (even after watching this review) but that fucking opening scene where the wire cuts an entire deck of people dancing on an ocean liner is still one of the coolest looking kill scenes no matter how ridiculous or improbable it is in real life.
Well I confess, I am not a fan of horror films but I liked ghost ship.
Decades old whisky wouldn't go off as such. Alcohol can keep of years, it just the taste that's affected.
maybe he wanted to haggle the price at the start, so it didnt sound too good to be true. he was talking about the middle of know where after all making it sound legit was just a way to get them there. the gold was his bait not the ship itself, thats why you see it being loaded onto another one at the end. i'm also guessing x amount of souls needed to be evil. thats whats for, 'convincing' ppl to kill for it, thus tainting them...coz c'mon stealing isnt all that soul damning
A cable at high speed like that would cut u in half, my grandfather told me himself and bc he worked in the oil field for a LONG time!!
well thats a conundrum we have scientifically recreated simulations that say its not possible in the way shown in the film or someones grandad says its real.....thats a head scratcher, also i don't know your grandad but i still know for a fact he never saw a cable slice cleanly through glass.
Deusdaecon Reviews he said he saw a cable cut through the cab of an 18 wheeler, the wire was at a high speed though
a stationary very heavy piece of machinery is not the same as a person light enough to be flung several feet by a cable moving at high speed.
Deusdaecon Reviews well still a cable at high speed and the tension in the wire could cut someone in half
again we have scientifically recreated accurate simulations that say no, I'm more inclined to believe that then any kind of word of mouth story telling, because thats exactly how the scene got made in first place, because the writers thought it was possible.
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Awesome review. It's great that you pointed out that this movie felt like an Event Horizon ripoff since that's exactly what I thought leaving the theater.
I thought that too after watching it for the first time last week
Good idea trusting someone named Ferryman, right?
Kitty Grimm And as Chris DeBurgh sang, "Don't Pay The Ferryman." The film's producers shouldn't have paid the ferryman.
I totally see your points about this film but this is a Dark Castle film. It's absolutely how Castle would have done it. it doesn't have to follow physics, it has to make the audience be amazed and shocked. I love the dark humour that runs through all Dark Castle films, it's comic and mildy unbelievable on purpose. I totally prefer House on Haunted Hill though. x
yeah what a fantabulastic start to the film. way to go movie you gave me nightmares..... T-T
Hi! First of all: Great review! Even on a rewatch.
Second of all, concerning the negotiation scene around 3:25 and your comment that the percentage thingdoesn't make much sense: This is something I thought about for a while, and to me Ferryman's negotiation totally makes sense. That is for one simple reason: If he just accepted all demands and conditions that Murphy asks of him for the job, and without hesitation or coaxing, than Murphy would likeely get the feeling this job offer is too good to be true. After all, this crew is (kinda) smart and experienced - and this claim is very tempting, even with 20% of the finder's fee going to Ferryman.
Also, he could use the percentage argument as leverage to go with them without raising much suspicion.
Just my 2 cents...
I guess I just don't know why they would ever be suspicious of an amazing job offer, It's not like demonic soul gathers are a common hazard in the salvage business.
True, but other hazards are problably more common (like those death defying stunts in the earlier scene showed). And if a guy like Murphy gets such an offer, then makes his own demands and gets no resistance whatsoever - I would have seconds thoughts about this job if I were him. Because I would think: What's the matter with this ship if he is not interested in the money involved?
At least Ferryman has to act like this was a legitimate salvage mission instead of just leading some poor sods into his trap.
But maybe I'm just reading too much into a mediocre horror movie from early 2000s...
with people doing jobs as safe as pizza delivery being robbed at gunpoint, the idea that someone would give them millions of dollars worth of salvage for free doesn't sound dangerous? have you ever heard of pirates?
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Could the reason Ferryman asked for a percentage be because you have to pay the ferryman to get on his boat ? As in a coin for the Ferryman: Charon and the Journey to Hades. There was a time when the living covered the mouths of their dead with a single coin before their final goodbye. The ritual appeared in different traditions, and it survived until as recently as the 20th century. The dead pay for their passage to the Otherworld. In Ancient Greece, it was the realm of Hades, separated from the land of the living by five rivers. It was a perilous journey, and there was only one guide to take the recently departed to their final destination. That's my theory anyway
yeah but this character doesnt act like a psychopomp, he's more a satan like figure, he can't be both.
Generic movie, but still pretty fun to watch
Actually finders keepers is pretty much how salvage/ aquatic archaeology works. Find it then claim it ASAP.
there is "the law of finds" that does exist but it is nowhere near "finder keepers" and far more complicated then the film makes it seem.
How the hell does the boxes of gold make sense? Unless it's a completely different set of boxes, and they do not appear to be that way, they should have sunk with the ship.
I believe it's the 2nd explanation.
@@Manx-lb1oc I'm going to guess it's still the original gold, Ferryman is a demon after all, the gold is just the lure to bring out the worst in people.
One of the characters feels guilty for losing one of the crew members in a fire and that crew member ghost haunts him.
Just like Event Horizon!
You really seem to have it in for this movie from the go. A little surprising considering how easy you took it on Thirteen Ghosts. While clearly not a horror masterpiece I enjoyed this much more than Thirteen Ghosts.
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the movie was good the cast great . Graphics really good at the time
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By showing the audience the ghosts early on instead of the characters in the film, isn't it the same idea as showing the audience the bomb while two gentlemen have a conversation in a café who don't know it is there? An example you used in your review of "13 Ghosts".
I can see what you mean but the difference in my opinion is the element of tension, in 13 ghost it has that element of suspense but here, it feel like they're just showing it to us, theres no implied peril because it has no connection to the characters its exclusively for the audience, thats the difference.
Perhaps it's for a more 'organic' environment. The ghosts don't exists for the benefit of the characters, so it's showing them doing things regardless of if the characters see? IDK
Yeah, but to what purpose? The pool fills up with blood and bodies, oooo, so scary! But the pool is never mentioned again and the ghosts have to outright explain the entire plot because the mystery is too confusing.
I feel like it's more lively to have stuff going on they don't see I guess, can't explain it any better than that. Sure, you don't want to fill your movie with too much of it but at the same time if the only things going on are 'important' and things they can see it starts feeling very stiff and fake. Sometimes things just happen. Although you could argue that as a plot device it's flimsy af and I'd agree on the basis of the last bit you said there.
You use Dramatic Irony for tension. There's no tension being created by the pool. If there was a ghost that starts haunting the main character and following her around because she fell into the pool, fine.
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One bit of good irony is ....
After the Arctic Warrior explodes with Santos on board, Dodge gets into a scuffle with Ferriman and accuses him of causing his mate's death because Ferriman got them there in the first place. He has no idea how right he is.
Oh man, they dragged Gabriel Byrne into this ?? :P
The movie was great fun!
This is one of those movies I wanted to like but just ends up feeling like a wasted effects budget to me. It's like it's almost ok but then fell flat in the storyboard/final script rewrite.
I actually enjoyed the movie the first time I watched it and I still do.
There is another film called Death Ship from about the 80's. It is somewhat the same movie, the ship kills people. Has anyone seen it?
I realize I'm six years late now but thank you for the Event Horizon recommendation! As a fan of sci-fi and Sam Neill this film was very interesting. Also having just watched Ghost Ship as well I could definitely see the similarities 😏
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This movie sucked sooooo badly
I actually like this movie, but honestly, I like your review even more :D
Awesome job!
So, i noticed that the game Man of Medan takes lots of inspiration based on this movie and the urban legend about the Ourang Medan. Including the ore, the ilusions...
dontcha just love it when angry nerds do all the research for u then get mad about this stuff that no1 else cares about?
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Something I feel was a missed opportunity was that the Captain wasn't made a more important character and specifically I mean the captain of the ghost ship. He's shown to be extremely compassionate and kind, both in offering to have Katie dance and then protecting her when the wire is set loose. He's one of the few ghosts who had more personality and thus you'd figure he'd be given more to do in the movie, but he doesn't. You'd figure after everything that happened he do what he can to protect Katie's spirit, seeing it as a form of atonement for failing to protect her when they were alive.
I don't know how you chewed through this movie without mentioning the movie "Death Ship", starring Christian Slater.
If you look at both movie posters, they are almost identical, except the premise of death ship is that it is a Nazi ghost ship.
I have always associated both movies in my mind, and they are both shlocky creepy.
The cable did a little wobbly when it went through the captain's face. That's my head cannon.
So I might be late to the party on this but the bad guys name is a joke or reference to the old thing pay the ferryman.
I always wished for a 2nd film of the lady going after the soul hunter and she make up a crew to hunt him. Saving souls, maybe even getting souls to join her crew. But that would be to complex for castle.
If you give someone an offer thats too good to be true they often won't go for it not believing you, but if you give them an offer that shows you want to gain from it and they can too and they try to negotiate the price they are more willing to do it. In bartering you usually go for a higher price than the one you want so you can either make more than what you want or give the illusion that the other person is getting a deal when really your getting what you want or more.
The captain's head gets sliced because Katie goes up to his chest. If he got sliced at chest height like everyone else, Katie being alive wouldn't make any sense.
I actually really enjoyed the film...And who can't switch from nice sweet music to hardcore??? Cause I can!!
Why do we see Ferryman release the wire instead of a crewman ? Since the crew in the hidden footage discuss it ? But I have to agree with Daecon since even I knew more about the Mary Celeste then the writers of the film, and the "horror" clearily the director took cues from that god awful Texas Chain Saw Massacre remake with Jordanna Brewster by throwing in a shit tonne of gore and blood rather then genuine horror.
This film is much better than your film reviews.
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David z No you just like bad films
Supo A It you like bad films This movies has a lot more good reviews than bad one
And yet ghost ship has a mere 14% of critics & 37 % of audience on rotten tomatoes,
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According to Google, 1 bar of gold is worth $506,400 US. So 1-2 bars would suit me, the just got greedy ;] Maybe Ferryman argued on the price as salvage crews maybe a weary bunch so he didn't want to make them suspicious if it was too good?
I've loved the reviews I've watched of yours but I find myself saying "yeesh tough crowd" at them. 😂
Mudvayne......
That one Futurama episode is also similar to this.
You are so funny my stomach hurts, yes my stomach not butt..... people
I agree this movie has it's fair share of flaws but I still enjoy it on a rainy night at home with a few beers.
This movie is rip off of Event Horizon
The blonde crew member is Fred
Probably best we not take all early 2,000's films so dang seriously. It's campy, if you check out the bts footage then you'd see that that was the intention from the get-go. Not everyone's shooting for the Oscars and that's perfectly fine.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, doesn't have to be oscar worthy (the academy is ridiculous anyway) but I've said it many times, if you want your film to to have any impact of me, you have to ground it in some sort of reality, cause quite frankly I don't find itchy and scratchy cartoons entertaining or as its a horror film, scary/thrilling
Can you suspend your disbelief for a moment? It's a movie, physics aren't part of it, like it's just for entertainment.
I would suspend my disbelief, but if a horror movie is gonna try and scare me it would need to be believable, because I don't find cartoons shocking or horrifying.
Wasn't there a 1980's movie called death ship? About a haunted German war vessel. I thought this was supposed to be a remake of that.
they are unrelated
This may just be me, but I'm a big fan of the American Gods T.v. show....anyone else feel dirty seeing Deadwife as a little girl?
She was dead girl, now she's dead wife!
The film is a retelling of the Pardoner's Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer, (as is Event Horizon) about men seeking death and via a pile of gold finding it.
Ferryman (Charon) using greed as the temptation fool people into killing themselves.
Epps survives and can hurt Ferryman because she is not motivated greed and in a clever piece of scripting the one thing that can harm Charnos is the tree of life known as the epps tree. This is also why Epps does not die.
The end is simply death triumphant, gathering a new ferry unto himself.
Also in medieval law, contemporary with the original story, the law of salvage does apply, Charnos is simply messing with their heads, turning them in to pirates.
yeeeeees, I'm sure everyone involved with ghost ship was thinking Chaucher.
Also other bodies were probs thrown overboard.
Yea but im pretty sure ferryman wouldnt take the time to do that
One thing I'll say about the dried blood - if a movie gets it realistic, most people won't recognize it, so they go more with what people expect than with what's real.
Just like how explosions in movies always appear like they were caused by incendiary bombs, so many people assume bomb explosions are normally fiery explosions.
Pretty similar to Virus in a lot of ways too.
Everyone remembers the cable scene
Stop objecting everything in a horror movie bro
No, thats not what a reviewer, a critic does, I'm not gonna just let something go because oh some people might like this film, and I'm not gonna apologies for having what I consider reasonable standards when it comes to films, I see something I personally find bad or incorrect or badly written and then I talk about, but on the flip side of that if I see something thats good, or correct or well written I shall talk about that too.
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Did you draw that cartoon of the cable Wire slaughter in the beginning of this video? Lol
No, I used to have someone draw title cards for me, My drawing skills are non existent.
Hey man, two years on, but thought I'd say how much I agree with this review. I watched this movie once, and it left me completely apathetic. I just saw it as a massive waste of time. Looking back, I'm really surprised Karl Urban and Gabriel Byrne signed up for this shitshow.
this movie is what got me into horror at a young age. it’s also the first scary movie I watched with my dad. I was eight and we watched the “making of” first so that I understood that none of it was real. it helped foster my love of horror and SFX. I’m thinking of getting some type of Ghost Ship tattoo in honour of my dad and my love of horror. (he’s still around btw)
hey you do you, I’m not here to say what people should and shouldn’t enjoy all I’m saying is what i personally do or dont enjoy
of course! and I do enjoy your reviews a lot.
I hope this guy does Event Horizen. I use to love that movie, but last time I watched it. I really didn't care for it too much.
Está bien chido el barco fantasma
As much as I do like this film they shoulda stuck with the chimaera idea, maybe they could remake it