Dude....thats pretty cool!!! We just cleaned out my deceased mother in laws place and came across a 1949 8mm movie camera in the original box with original paperwork AND a lighting system. I have been involved in still photography for many years and wanted to research this 8mm movie camera. I'm so excited to create some projects with it and maybe get my youngest daughter into it too. Thank you so much for your very informative video!! It's people like you that make UA-cam great!! MYGA!!! MAKE UA-cam GREAT AGAIN!!!
it's somehow easier for me to find standard 8 cameras vs super 8 cameras- plus these standard 8s have a higher chance of working. Also... Film Rescue's prognosis for k11 film quality is very low anyways.
I knew that, is known also as Single 8. A 16mm film is cut in two parts when in proccess of developement. My uncle Ulises had a 8mm projector and camera same of yours. Unfortunelly 2021 that process of cuting and all is inexistent in earth plnet today. I have bought months ago a 4K camera Sony FDR AX43 and it has that thing own of film sensation, I want to say it had the movie film made effect, but if it was 35mm film. I am very very happy. I had in 1985 a Kodak Super 8 camera no-sound and a Bell & Howell projector all new from store here in Santiago, Chile. Yes, in fact I'm writting you from my bed at my home. It's winter and -1° Celcious temperature. XD I send you a huge hugg!
Thanks for writing. Must mention that Single 8 is not the same as Double 8 film. Double 8 is sometimes called Regular 8 or just plain 8mm here in the US. It is always 16mm in width and gets cut to 8mm in the lab. Single-8, was produced by Fuji in Japan. Introduced in 1965 as an alternative to the Kodak Super 8 format. More here on formats (it gets confusing) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_mm_film
@@FilmPhotographyProject Aw, thanks a lot to you for response me from the United States. Thank you for your information. 😉 This is your house in SouthAmerica if some day you want make a travel.
Good summarizing. I wish, I've found your video a year earlier, when i started shootin D8. But the fact is, the footage you showed at the end of this video, is however on regular 8mm stock, it was shot with a Super eight camera. The thing is, if a D8 or R8 is shot with a dedicated camera, the perforations aren't visible in the frame. The Super eight stock has smaller sprockets, and so adequate bigger frame. It is possible to use regular 8 stock in super eight cameras (because the sprockets are approx. the same distance from each other), but when doing so, the perforation will be visible inside the frame, and approx. half of the perforation area is exposed due to the frame size differences between the stocks. It was interesting to see this footage, since i knew the possibility, but haven't seen any footage made this way.
Oh wow. Keeping a camera in place, I bet your could do some pretty cool tricks with this if you just scanned the whole strip as a 16mm strip instead of splitting it.
Awesome video thanks so much! Just found my grandfathers camera! So excited to use it. Question: can you recommend a company that transfers the footage so I can see it digitally on my computer? Or should I find a super 8 projector? 😊
I have a Nizo Heliomatic 8 s2r. No idea what kind of film to use. It is an 8mm camera, but inside it says 2x8mm (I assume means Double 8)… is this absolutely required to shoot? Or could I use regular 8mm film?
Spectacular camera. ISO 40 film (color or BW recommended) - filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/products/double-8-film-bundle-film-develop-scan-25-ft
Hi I have a question I’m new to this hobby and I was wondering when you are done shooting with double 8 film do you have to get it developed or can you just take it out of the camera and scan it you’re self?
As with all film (both still photography and movies) after shooting, the film must go through a chemical process to "develop" the images on the film. So, with Double 8 movie film, shoot, send to lab (we offer service - filmphotographystore.com/collections/fpp-scanning-services/products/develop-scan-service-regular-8mm-film-50-ft-rolls ) and then you gave a digital file that you can show (or edit). There are two types of movies film in BW and color - positive film (that can be projected and/or scanned) and negative (for scanning only). Hope this helps!
FilmPhotographyPodcast: thank you so much for the information! I bought you’re company’s double 8 film recently and I’ll definitely use you’re service’s thanks
I recently purchased a Keystone K-8, which says it takes Panchromatic 8mm. I don't see panchromatic film in your store, am I missing it? Or is it just hard to find?
So once you run it the first time you would flip it over ….switch spool positions and re-shoot using the first spool that was emptied as the final roll to be sent in correct?
When you say to flip the film and re-shoot the whole reel, do you mean just shoot anything to further expose the already existing footage or does this process of flipping and re-shooting actually double the amount of footage you can get from a 25 ft. roll?
8mm film reel is 25 feet and 16mm in width. Each side exposes 8mm in width of footage. You shoot one side 8mm, flip the roll and shoot the other side 8mm. When you send it for developing, the lab develops, then slits the reel and splices the two ends together - giving you 50 feet on 8mm film.
Sorry to be that annoying guy, I see conflicting information, I have a Yashica U-matic S. The information I can find says it takes double 8 films, I see in your store 16mm double perforated film, is this the correct film for my camera?
Soooo just to double check (no pun intended) the iso of the film in this video is 100?? I got a couple rolls of it on Amazon but it said 800iso in the description
Foma r100 8mm film is ISO 100. Can't recommend Amazon for film. Can recommend ISO 40 bw 8mm - filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/products/regular-8-film-fpp-cine8-bw-50-reversal-film-double-8
This may be a stupid question but if you film with this 8mm double is it possible to get it developed using 16mm? Reason why I ask is say if a person already has a 16mm projector 📽
I have a bell and Howell filmo camera with exposed double run 8 film from back in the day. Are you saying there is a way to digitize this and view what’s on the film?
Yes, The FPP can develop and scan old Kodachrome as BW neg - filmphotographystore.com/collections/fpp-scanning-services/products/develop-scan-service-regular-8mm-film-50-ft-rolls
Double 8 film is also known as Regular 8. Not to be confused with Super 8 cartridge film. Both film types are 8mm wide but have different perforation sizes. A duel 8 projector is a projector that has a switch that allows you to project both Regular 8mm and Super 8. Need more info. Do a search on Google - there's lots of info out there.
@FilmPhotographyProject thanks I actually just made my first purchase through you and I got a basically brand new kodak brownie 8mm projector. So excited to mess with this
*Is it only the kodachrome film that isnt able to be processed anymore? I just got me a Yashica 8-E movie camera (1960 Japan)it does take double 8 film and I'm wanting to use it for some filming, also wondering if the lens on yashica comes off it seems very dirty from the inside*
Kodachrome can only be developed as BW. Blog / Video - filmphotographyproject.com/content/howto/2020/02/will-develop-kodachrome-film-shoot-expired-kodachrome/
Film is light sensitive material that needs to be developed before being screening in a vintage projector. For projection: Buy Reversal Film > shoot in camera > send to lab for development > once developed, you can scan or project.
@@FilmPhotographyProject thanks for explanation. I guess if you don't live in a city with oldschool photolab to develop, then it will be much a hassle with sending and receiving back...
I have an old family camera like the first one you showed. It does have film in it. I opened it in the dark. I'm not a camera person so forgive me for not knowing. Could i send it to y'all?
Hi there i have a lot of8mm Cine films some of which might never have been SEEN. Any idea how i can find out if any of them might be worth any thing please? I live in the UK
I have a 3 lens Kodak Brownie 8mm Film movie camera AND the Brownie 8mm projector. I used Foma Fomapan R100 Black and White Transparency Film (Double Standard 8mm, 32.8' Reel) to shoot. My question is, do I absolutely have to get that developed to project my film, Or is there a way to develop it on my own?
I load in dim light and do lose a few feet (light leak on first few feet - some folks like the look!) Whatever works best for you - dark or super dim light.
Though it is a hassle you can load in total darkness for a few extra feet of usable film. Practice with a test roll a few times first, it can be a pain depending on the camera. My Minolta Zoom 8 is one of those that can be uncooperative.... Since I picked up a lomo tank to process my own I can use that extra film. Not sure how much is exposed when processed by a lab when loading it to their processing systems.
never thought I'd be interested in wind up toys again
You guys are keeping Regular 8 alive. Thank you.
Dude....thats pretty cool!!! We just cleaned out my deceased mother in laws place and came across a 1949 8mm movie camera in the original box with original paperwork AND a lighting system. I have been involved in still photography for many years and wanted to research this 8mm movie camera. I'm so excited to create some projects with it and maybe get my youngest daughter into it too. Thank you so much for your very informative video!! It's people like you that make UA-cam great!! MYGA!!! MAKE UA-cam GREAT AGAIN!!!
The nice thing about your vids is we get to see things that some of us never had seen before :)
4:27 Now that's an expensive machine! Anyway, great and informative video. Thanks for sharing!
it's somehow easier for me to find standard 8 cameras vs super 8 cameras- plus these standard 8s have a higher chance of working.
Also... Film Rescue's prognosis for k11 film quality is very low anyways.
My favorite film format
LOVE this explanation. Thanks for putting this together.
I shoot super 8 but I’d like to shoot 8mm one day.
Very interesting. I’d like to try shooting on 8mm but finding Double 8 film stock seems very hard to come by.
Readily available in BW or Color - filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/double-8
Nice to see Foma products :-)
I knew that, is known also as Single 8. A 16mm film is cut in two parts when in proccess of developement. My uncle Ulises had a 8mm projector and camera same of yours. Unfortunelly 2021 that process of cuting and all is inexistent in earth plnet today.
I have bought months ago a 4K camera Sony FDR AX43 and it has that thing own of film sensation, I want to say it had the movie film made effect, but if it was 35mm film. I am very very happy. I had in 1985 a Kodak Super 8 camera no-sound and a Bell & Howell projector all new from store here in Santiago, Chile. Yes, in fact I'm writting you from my bed at my home. It's winter and -1° Celcious temperature. XD
I send you a huge hugg!
Thanks for writing. Must mention that Single 8 is not the same as Double 8 film. Double 8 is sometimes called Regular 8 or just plain 8mm here in the US. It is always 16mm in width and gets cut to 8mm in the lab. Single-8, was produced by Fuji in Japan. Introduced in 1965 as an alternative to the Kodak Super 8 format. More here on formats (it gets confusing) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_mm_film
@@FilmPhotographyProject Aw, thanks a lot to you for response me from the United States. Thank you for your information. 😉
This is your house in SouthAmerica if some day you want make a travel.
Good summarizing. I wish, I've found your video a year earlier, when i started shootin D8. But the fact is, the footage you showed at the end of this video, is however on regular 8mm stock, it was shot with a Super eight camera. The thing is, if a D8 or R8 is shot with a dedicated camera, the perforations aren't visible in the frame. The Super eight stock has smaller sprockets, and so adequate bigger frame. It is possible to use regular 8 stock in super eight cameras (because the sprockets are approx. the same distance from each other), but when doing so, the perforation will be visible inside the frame, and approx. half of the perforation area is exposed due to the frame size differences between the stocks.
It was interesting to see this footage, since i knew the possibility, but haven't seen any footage made this way.
its standard because the sprocket holes aren't one per frame, but one in-between every frame!
They scan it in a way , that the sprocket holes can be seen. They can be cut out on a computer later,
Oh wow. Keeping a camera in place, I bet your could do some pretty cool tricks with this if you just scanned the whole strip as a 16mm strip instead of splitting it.
Bolex H8 cameras with 100 foot loads of regular 8mm shoot as long as 400 feet of 16mm film, and you can develop it at home.
Now I remember! Way way back.
zapruder film was shot on double 8. part of the controversy. only 1 side was of Kennedy assassination.
That's the kind of film we used in my later father's movie camera, though it was a different brand camera and looked different. It was Kodak film
Awesome video thanks so much! Just found my grandfathers camera! So excited to use it. Question: can you recommend a company that transfers the footage so I can see it digitally on my computer? Or should I find a super 8 projector? 😊
FPP Film-Develop-Scan > filmphotographystore.com/collections/fpp-scanning-services/products/double-8-film-bundle-film-develop-scan-25-ft
I've shot kilometers of this Fomapan and I love it
So if I use old kodachrome, I could get it processed as black and white?
I have a Nizo Heliomatic 8 s2r. No idea what kind of film to use. It is an 8mm camera, but inside it says 2x8mm (I assume means Double 8)… is this absolutely required to shoot? Or could I use regular 8mm film?
Spectacular camera. ISO 40 film (color or BW recommended) - filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/products/double-8-film-bundle-film-develop-scan-25-ft
Hi I have a question I’m new to this hobby and I was wondering when you are done shooting with double 8 film do you have to get it developed or can you just take it out of the camera and scan it you’re self?
As with all film (both still photography and movies) after shooting, the film must go through a chemical process to "develop" the images on the film. So, with Double 8 movie film, shoot, send to lab (we offer service - filmphotographystore.com/collections/fpp-scanning-services/products/develop-scan-service-regular-8mm-film-50-ft-rolls ) and then you gave a digital file that you can show (or edit). There are two types of movies film in BW and color - positive film (that can be projected and/or scanned) and negative (for scanning only). Hope this helps!
FilmPhotographyPodcast: thank you so much for the information! I bought you’re company’s double 8 film recently and I’ll definitely use you’re service’s thanks
I recently purchased a Keystone K-8, which says it takes Panchromatic 8mm. I don't see panchromatic film in your store, am I missing it? Or is it just hard to find?
Yes - filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/double-8
So once you run it the first time you would flip it over ….switch spool positions and re-shoot using the first spool that was emptied as the final roll to be sent in correct?
Correct.
Thanks for sharing this!
When you say to flip the film and re-shoot the whole reel, do you mean just shoot anything to further expose the already existing footage or does this process of flipping and re-shooting actually double the amount of footage you can get from a 25 ft. roll?
8mm film reel is 25 feet and 16mm in width. Each side exposes 8mm in width of footage. You shoot one side 8mm, flip the roll and shoot the other side 8mm. When you send it for developing, the lab develops, then slits the reel and splices the two ends together - giving you 50 feet on 8mm film.
Sorry to be that annoying guy, I see conflicting information, I have a Yashica U-matic S. The information I can find says it takes double 8 films, I see in your store 16mm double perforated film, is this the correct film for my camera?
Hi, The Yashica U-Matic 8 S camera takes Regular 8mm Film - filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/regular-8
16mm Double Perf winn ot fit. You need Double 8 - filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/double-8
Thanks I found a German Pentak 8-a and was wondering if I could still use it.
If I have the fomapan100 - How do I can calculate if my film is sensitive enough or to sensitive for my westher and my location?
Use a light meter app - ua-cam.com/video/V9bfqfxS-v0/v-deo.html
Thank you for this!!
Soooo just to double check (no pun intended) the iso of the film in this video is 100?? I got a couple rolls of it on Amazon but it said 800iso in the description
Foma r100 8mm film is ISO 100. Can't recommend Amazon for film. Can recommend ISO 40 bw 8mm - filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/products/regular-8-film-fpp-cine8-bw-50-reversal-film-double-8
There actually are a handful of places that will develop 8mm.
Yes - filmphotographystore.com/collections/fpp-scanning-services
This may be a stupid question but if you film with this 8mm double is it possible to get it developed using 16mm? Reason why I ask is say if a person already has a 16mm projector 📽
Can not. Frame size and sprockets are different size.
@@FilmPhotographyProject Ok thank you! So would need an 8mm projector to view the double 8mm.
I have a bell and Howell filmo camera with exposed double run 8 film from back in the day. Are you saying there is a way to digitize this and view what’s on the film?
Yes, The FPP can develop and scan old Kodachrome as BW neg - filmphotographystore.com/collections/fpp-scanning-services/products/develop-scan-service-regular-8mm-film-50-ft-rolls
Ok. Do you split the film as described in your video?
@@glennriess1127 Hi Glenn. Positive film is slit in case the shooter wants to project in a vintage projector. Negative films are not slit.
Michael Raso thanks. The film I have is Kodachrome. So if I send to you undeveloped would you be able to split it?
@@glennriess1127 Kodachrome can only be developed as a BW negative. Since negative film isn't for projection, we do not slit it.
Is double 8 also called dual 8 because I found a projector that I want to use that uses dual 8
Double 8 film is also known as Regular 8. Not to be confused with Super 8 cartridge film. Both film types are 8mm wide but have different perforation sizes. A duel 8 projector is a projector that has a switch that allows you to project both Regular 8mm and Super 8. Need more info. Do a search on Google - there's lots of info out there.
@FilmPhotographyProject thanks I actually just made my first purchase through you and I got a basically brand new kodak brownie 8mm projector. So excited to mess with this
In the end when you show the scanned result, how come the sprocket holes are taking up part of the image?
We included the sprockets because there is picture in the sprocket area.
@@FilmPhotographyProject Yeah that's what I thought but is that with every double 8 camera? You don't see that with Regular 8 or Super 8.
Where can I buy that? Thanks.
Double 8 film - filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/double-8
How long you can filming with this , minutes
About 2+ minutes per side at 16fps.
*Is it only the kodachrome film that isnt able to be processed anymore? I just got me a Yashica 8-E movie camera (1960 Japan)it does take double 8 film and I'm wanting to use it for some filming, also wondering if the lens on yashica comes off it seems very dirty from the inside*
Kodachrome can only be developed as BW. Blog / Video - filmphotographyproject.com/content/howto/2020/02/will-develop-kodachrome-film-shoot-expired-kodachrome/
So, you can view film on projector from 60s without processing?
Film is light sensitive material that needs to be developed before being screening in a vintage projector. For projection: Buy Reversal Film > shoot in camera > send to lab for development > once developed, you can scan or project.
@@FilmPhotographyProject thanks for explanation. I guess if you don't live in a city with oldschool photolab to develop, then it will be much a hassle with sending and receiving back...
Isn’t DOUBLE super eight something else?
Double Super 8 is a different format (with different perf types). Double Super 8 was never introduced as a standard format in the US.
Hi, won’t the film roll get exposed when unloading and flipping it?
The film is on a "daylight spool" but still should be flipped in dim light to avoid flashing.
@@FilmPhotographyProject thanks!
How do you load this camera?
Will record a loading video very soon.
Awesome thanks, it will save me money because then i won't have to buy a manual from ebay.
I have an old family camera like the first one you showed. It does have film in it. I opened it in the dark. I'm not a camera person so forgive me for not knowing. Could i send it to y'all?
If there's film in an old 8mm movie camera, it's old Kodachrome. Developing ended for that film in 2010. We only develop/scan new film.
Hi there i have a lot of8mm Cine films some of which might never have been SEEN. Any idea how i can find out if any of them might be worth any thing please? I live in the UK
Where’s a good place to get this film processed these days?
filmphotographystore.com/collections/fpp-scanning-services/products/develop-scan-service-regular-8mm-film-50-ft-rolls
@@FilmPhotographyProject shew.. pricey but I guess being a niche service, that's to be expected. Thanks for the info!
The white boxes seen on the left are a result of the film scanner right? When it is projected, the white is not visible right?
Yes, the film is "over-scanned" to show the sprocket holes in a 16x9 HD frame. A projector will crop that to square-ish 4x3.
I have a 3 lens Kodak Brownie 8mm Film movie camera AND the Brownie 8mm projector. I used Foma Fomapan R100 Black and White Transparency Film (Double Standard 8mm, 32.8' Reel) to shoot. My question is, do I absolutely have to get that developed to project my film, Or is there a way to develop it on my own?
Can happen but will need to invest in the proper tank and chemistry - filmphotographyproject.com/content/howto/2018/09/develop-bw-movie-film-home/
Are 25ft length and 100ft length double 8 films rolled onto the same size reel?
Nah 100ft length would only fit a camera like Bolex. Big size reel
when you go to flip the film to the other side, does it have to be in the dark?
I load in dim light and do lose a few feet (light leak on first few feet - some folks like the look!) Whatever works best for you - dark or super dim light.
Though it is a hassle you can load in total darkness for a few extra feet of usable film. Practice with a test roll a few times first, it can be a pain depending on the camera. My Minolta Zoom 8 is one of those that can be uncooperative.... Since I picked up a lomo tank to process my own I can use that extra film. Not sure how much is exposed when processed by a lab when loading it to their processing systems.
U can actually develop double 8 in Europe
Double 8 is actually a 16 mm film that is split in 2 x 8 mm during development.
Indeed, as explained in the video.
16 mm