It has been said that Hamas does not have the weapons necessary to burn in the way in which victims were burned on Oct. 7th. Israel has missiles which do, and has admitted that many Israeli and Palestinian civilians were killed by Israel Air attacks.
IDF sent Apache Warships in that pilots said they could not differentiate civilians from militants. thats 12 Apaches shooting Hellfire missiles and m230 30mm rounds at human bodies. Thats gonna look like burned and mutilated bodies..
I’m 100% sure that Israel killed all the civilians. Hamas shot at soldiers. More than half of the deaths were soldiers. The IOF fired from apache helicopters and fired from tanks at the Kibbutz. This has all been confirmed by so many eyewitnesses. Many bodies of Hamas were burned. Now they’re onto the next lie. Meanwhile the Times of Israel said “physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel”.
Me too. What people also don't realise is the horrible precedent the West is setting by allowing this genocide. If we allow it, it could just as easily be us one day. Are we as a society just supposed to accept genocide, right in front of our eyes, and nothing is done to stop it? Are we to accept these atrocities as acceptable human behaviour now? This is blighting the collective consciousness of humanity as a whole, making us sick. I feel sick to my soul, or at least to my deep mind (if there is no soul). I thought our inaction over climate change was the pinnacle of our stupid iniquity until I witnessed this, and saw how many people think this is just fine, if the victims aren't from their own troop of apes.
I just woke up from a nightmare. I don't think it was over the atrocities done to Palestinians. I think it was over the insane justifications. We all have to listen to psychopaths try to justify their ongoing murder spree on a daily basis.
People who believed that story are just stupid! Do you know how hard it is to find 40 babies? I worked at a daycare(only one in town) and we never had 40 babies at ones, not even 20!
Beheaded babies or not, what Hamas did was so atrocious that the poor people of Gaza are paying the price for what Hamas planned a year in advance: As a result being attacked so badly by Israel that Hezbollah and Iran would step in and help them - The second part didn't happen. What's more, those who planned this crazy plan (Hamas leadership) are lavishly living, with the Billions they stole from the Gaza people, safely abroad, far away from the conflict - Just think about it!
Hamas has a Creed of Conduct which was revised in 2017 under which its soldiers must follow. They are also under their religious beliefs which forbid such horrible actions against non combatants in times of war. So rape by Hamas soldiers is just propaganda to correlate with the "human animals" stigma.
Exactly. Such an action is "zina by coercion" and is forbidden. Hamas members are fundamentalist and observant, unlike ISIS who were/are uneducated in Islamic jurisprudence, wildly reactionary, and only observant when and where it suited them.
That's incredibly naive and irrational of you. You are saying that no human being ever does something contrary to the doctrines or policies of an organization of which they are a part. Don't mimic the childish religious supremacism and willful blindness of your enemy. Women (and men, and children) have been raped by men of every army in every war that has ever been fought. And in this case you must also remember that many of these Hamas "fighters" are not men at at all, but teenage boys. Who have lived brutal, harsh lives and received zero sex-education and have no healthy outlets for the things it's perfectly normal for teenagers to feel. They do not have the self control of adults let alone trained soldiers. What the media is doing right now is incredibly ugly and racist and selective, yes, but you will only play into their hands by sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge that individuals fighting for righteous reasons can still do wicked and wanton things.
You mean liars and stupid . It is unbelievable how all the commenters here fall for such BS . Does having a M@slim name make you automatically lie and believe lies ,if they are against jews ?
@@SrcccfyThey literally didn't find one victim. All they found was second-hand statements. What kind of meth induced Israeli propaganda are you high on.
Yes, the supposed eye witness accounts like 6:11 are suspicious to me and unrealistic. The fact the reporter pointed out the victim was beautiful and she was screaming sentences, it feels very fictional. Rape is about power, not lust. Rape victims can be anyone, yet the media has to emphasize the victim is beautiful to make it believable that she was targeted? Weird detail to include in such a horrific story. And the quote seems hard to believe as well. Most people being beaten and raped by multiple people will not have the energy or ability to scream sentences. Most likely they would be sobbing from pain or dead already.
@@lhighchief in reference to what? Because if you're conflating civilians with H, and civilians documenting the gcide, the photographic and video evidence of Israeli atrocities is OVERWHELMING.
Another fact is that not a single Israeli woman released by Palestinian fighters shared anything about rape or even any other kind of abuse during captivity.
That's not true though. They've shared accounts of being abused. It's also important to note that the released hostages have said the reason Hamas won't release the rest of the women is because those are the women who bore the brunt of their sexual violence.
@@lhighchiefaccusations just a accusations until evidence been show or analyze..like many of Zionist government claim share/post on their media account,then after been analyze most of it was a fake information even some of accusations been deleted .
It's also really disturbing that the fabricated accounts are so specifically graphically horrific. They sound like individual fantasies, or memories, recounted by perpetrators.
Some of them, such as the pregnant woman getting her fetus ripped out of her stomach, is actually an account from the Nakba. I read it years ago, it was an eyewitness account of seeing a pregnant Palestinian woman’s stomach opened from the Deir Yassin masscare. There was also Palestinians burned alive and a girl who was ripped in half.
It suprised me greatly when some people believed the October 7 atrocity propaganda, I mean do some deep dives on the Nakba people! Israel is plagiarizing!!
Women has no right when they themselves ignored the right of other women supposedly from a race they dislike. They should never talk about their right, since they are mere hypocrites.
While the Western bourgeois media act merely as stenographers, y'all are actually doing your homework and cutting through the BS. Thank you for all you do!
"The Western bourgeois" lol Keep pretending you read Marx, you fool. Maybe we can have a discussion about the Machine allegory, but this would mean you really have to read this book, which I doubt you are capable of. So, you leftists always scream "#me2" and "we need to believe the victims", but only when it fits your ideology, ha? There are OF COURSE released hostages that tell their story. And even if they didn't, the dozens of dead Israeli women do tell. Undeniable evidence of abuse and rape.
I can't decide what's worse, the callous use of fictional trauma to elicit sympathy from the world, or the slap in the face that these false allegations is to real victims of that kind of violence.
@omerhechter5895 where are these alleged witnesses? Several independent investigations found no proof of "mass r*pes". So yeah, I'm gonna believe the investigations over alleged witnesses whose stories are not verified, not their identities confirmed
The PA has been calling for independent investigations of war crimes committed by all parties for years. Israel and its primary allies have rejected these calls repeatedly. As they likely would with an independent investigation of Hamas atrocities (if they haven't already). I wonder why?
Just a lot of manipulative attempts at appealing to emotions so we don't ask questions. I'm like you, i wait before I believe anything. No choice because they lie so much.
Because it didn’t happen. The West is incredibly racist and always paints POC as violent, especially towards ‘white women’ or ‘colonizers’. Hilary Clinton lied about Libyan men raping women as well, so that America could invade Libya and murder Libyans and steal their oil. They have three or four lies they repeat every single time and the racist Westerners eat it up everytime, enabling the invaders to slaughter innocent civilians with the approval of the West. The times of Isreal literally said “physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel”. They’re losing the PR battle, and everyone knows that the all the other horrible stories were lies, so they’re switching to a new made up story.
Wow, this was a lesson in how propaganda works, and how to decode it. It was also a lesson in critical reading, and another lesson in investigative journalism. I really appreciate the in depth investigations you do. Thanks so much. You deserve hundreds of thousands of subscribers, in my opinion.
The irony of this comment. Bunch of social media posts and tweets, unverified and anonymous opinion pieces and the rambling of clearly biased hosts..."Investigative journalism"? Just be honest with yourselves, you have picked a side...you don't care about truth, evidence or facts.
Ha, this is to in-depth investigative journalism what armchair UA-cam pontification is to genuine grass-roots activism. There is nothing investigative about this ‘webinar’. It is a crass example of back-slapping, chest-pumping and a crude display of distortion and disinformation. Ever heard of trauma porn? You are chief proponents of it.
From the Rape of the Mind, "The Provocative totalitarian strategy of slandering and wild accusations is far stronger than the denial of the same." Accusation equals guilt and simple denial is ineffective. That is Israel's purpose here.
On my list. What’s ‘interesting’ is Merloo wrote this book after or close to the end is WWII after witnessing from Holland and other places he traversed a decade of the Nazi scourge of the minds of peoples here in Europe. I think it’s high time that “The” Holocaust and Israel are irrevocably separated, Israel is continuing to display itself as the scourge of the Jewish people as it basically pisses continually over the memories of all the millions massacred by the Einsatzgruppen and the Wehrmacht and the Liquidstion camps.
This is why I cant listen to anything that comes out of Israel. I wanted to hear from the hostages straight away because I knew once they were returned they would be coerced into saying stuff that didnt happen.
I'm sure the apartheid government holding thousands of people in extrajudicial administrative detention will be forthcoming with an independent investigation, good call Susan.
The Israeli culture thrives on lore. Great stories are told of the injustices against them. And even greater stories detail the creation of their homeland and its existence over the years with so many facts somehow forgotten.
And they never tell about their own scheming and slow taking power and spreading corruption in the what they call gentiles. They are always the victims and never did anything wrong. But now we know because why the were hated because they just don't see other people as the same, gentiles means cattle and that is how they see us.
You indulge in watching too much Pallywood, or just conform with so much one-sided Palestinian folklore that it's almost fascinating - Yours is hate speech for the sake of hate speech
The freed hostages shook Hamas hands and they smiled at Hamas and waved a warm goodbye and one wrote a letter thanking them for friendship and making her daughter the queen of Ghaza. All of these are silenced by Israel so they can continue with their lies against Palestinians
And the problem that people believe them with out question. The watch mainstream news like it is revelation from God. I ones asked I woman do you believe everything you see on the news and with big shocked eyes she replied "of course".
It's all the more heartbreaking and infuriating that the Hamas soldiers are such apparently kind, decent human beings - while the IDF, Shin Bet, the Israeli government, ect. are full blown Nazis.
ohh come on, people will want their next holiday spent in Hamas captivity as it's almost better than a 5 star hotel in Dubai. Do you believe this nonsense? Have you ever heard about the Stockholm syndrome? And those people were probably sure they will going to be executed (or under the influence us substances), of course they were happy (to escape...) You don't need to support Israel in order to think rationally...
The most horrifying prospect for most Zionists would be to view and accept all Palestinians as their equals, .....and possibly the beginning required to build trust and to live together in peace. Zionism is predicated upon an idea of Jews being god’s chosen people, special, better than all others, especially better than Arabs, and even more so than Palestinians in Gaza.
@@treadstoned9915 No. You read all the Quran and let everyone read the Quran by himself ..then come and tell us about the verses in the Quran that tells us to be just and fair with the people of the book.. God tells us that claiming a son to him is a sin that makes the heavens and the earth about to collapse ..If l don't love a Christian that means that l don't love him just because of that reason..but l love him as a human being..respect him ..l am ordered to be fair and just..l don't hurt him... it's logical also that the christians don't love those who deny that Jesus is god ..I understand that..the important thing is to be fair , kind and just .. helpful to each other Now you tell us the verses that tell us to do so or the many Hadiths or sayings of the prophet that WARNS us of treating the people of the book badly or hurting them
LMAO, The U.N. has done an official investigation and has confirmed the mass rape and sexual mutilation of civilians on October 7th. Guess that makes your side the desperate liars. 👍🏼
Hamas practiced diligently for a year, each step of their attack on IDF bases, personnel and nearby farms housing heavily armed people. Success depended on making good use of every available minute, under heavy fire and an inevitable counter attack by tanks and missile firing aircraft to take prisoners before escaping back into Gaza. Did the detailed plan Israel says was followed so closely budget time for rape? Even the couple thousand freelancers who followed Qassam into Israel would have had even tighter time restraints under the same heavy fire. Yet we're supposed to believe groups of them decided to stage elaborate gang rapes/murders in full view of everybody yet leave not one frame of proof! It seems so obviously impossible, so ridiculous, it shouldn't need this much debunking but such colossal lies can't be allowed to go unchallenged. They're is no evidence Hamas raped people because they did not do that _or any of the other_ ludicrous and lurid claims made by Israel!
Israel has cameras absolutely everywhere, so if gang rapes did happen, they wouldn't hesitate to broadcast the cctv footage to the whole world. Instead they have a 45min video shown in private theatres. lol
@@beth1979 And the only actualy """"testimony"""" of said gang rapes is geniuenly so bizarre and phrased more like a male fantasy then anything realistic (and of course none of it had any evidence)
Israel really is shockingly bad at propaganda, at least for those who pay some kind of minimum attention to the detail. They invited British journalists recently to a screening of 42 minutes of Hamas bodycam footage to put on display some of the atrocities that were comitted. No one came back from those viewings stating that they showed or suggested scenes of rape and certainly nothing of mass rape. Something like that, were it to exist, would undoubtedly have made the final cut.
It's all a loyalty test. They don't want you to believe them because of facts. They want you to believe them out of faith or fear. They only want the blindly loyal on their side in the fight to come.
These celebrities like Gail Gadot and Sean Penn need to educate themselves and practice critical thinking and learn some basic standards of evidence before they willingly serve as tools for propaganda.
Willing tools/US state supported propagandists/shills (Vanessa Beeley has written about Penn) are not interested in broadcasting the facts even when having learnt them.
Unfortunately it’s kind of what they are there for. Just pieces of a larger machine, unwittingly or otherwise. It is in their interest to not know and instead parrot what israel says. Less work and more money.
@@maxgurman633 Thanks for the affirmation, I've been posting in response to the "Believe all women" naivete out there re: the latest Israeli attempt to inflame the "Arab beast" trope and getting lots of ad hominen attacks. At least people are reading my comments. I didn't know celebrities were paid for this type of public promotion although I have read comments to that effect.
One third hand "eye witness account" has this guy alleging he was at that music festival on October 7, 2023, and while hiding in the bush (was there really any bush in hide in?) he witnessed mass rapes of womem by Hamas figjhers. The Israeli propagandists want us to believe that Hamas carried out mass rapes while Israeli Apache helicopters above were firing at anything that moved. Such poor quality propaganda would make Joseph Gobbels, Hitler's propaganda chief, turn in his grave.
When confronted with allegations that are easily made with "eye witness accounts", we have to demand credible evidence (not more second hand evidence), look for objective or corroborative evidence, and use our critical thinking. When there are 1,000 reports of rapes without a single victim turning up, I smell a rat. It's like the Uyghur genocide allegation (with estimates of 1.2 million killed) without a single body produced. It's the only genocide in history where nobody died. In Gaza, over 18,000 civilians, including over 8,000 children, were killed in 2 months. Plenty of mangled bodies as evidence. Yet, Israel and the US empire call it self defense. We are dealing with pathological liars who could tell you black is white, up is down, front is back, right is left, wrong is right, darkness is light, and genocide is self defense. Was the October 7 attack planned and executed to a high level of professionlism? Douglas MacGregor and Scott Ritter, 2 old warriors, firmly think so. It was an attack carried out with military precision, military goals, and a tight schedule. I don't believe the disciplined fighters who carried oit their mission on Octoner 7 would take time out for mass rapes. Such a detour would have endangered the mission, and resulted in a court martial (or the Hamas equivalent). That mass rape allegations were so easily made, and so readily believed, when not a single alleged victim has turned up, is an indication that a disturbingly high number of people believe the cheap propaganda that Palestinians are subhumans and animals. The 1,000 second hand "eye witness accounts" of mass rapes by Hamas without a single victim, and the readiness to believe them, say more about the west than about Hamas or the Palestinians.
Once again, thank you for taking a look at these most horrific of reported crimes. I know many, many people, in this case female with the reports of sexual assault, but generally men and women with all the terrible propaganda, will choose to believe what they want to believe without too much investigation, and will still disregard any and all intelligent, diligent investigation if they choose not to believe it. However, thank you so much for trying your utmost and doing all you can to try and explain the carnage with the intent to stop any and all slaughters against any and all peoples.
It may take a hit on your mental health for a min, but they did all that and worse during the dier yassin and tantura massacres during ethnic cleansing of 1948. The tantura massacres 🇮🇱 soldiers openly admit it in the documentary and if U type tantura twitter they're there too
The official Rabbi of the IOF has said that the IOF has religious permission to commit rape (even going to say that raping Palestinians would be good for moral) of Palestinians. That doesn't mean they do it en mass, but they are given religious permission to do so. I would wager thatalmost all Rabbi would say that rape is forbidden. But that just goes to show how Zionism perverts Judaism.
Thank you so much for clarifying this! Rape and assault should not be taken lightly. But in these times it is important to double-check every information we get.
They Accuse the Palestinians of the Same Crimes. You Believe their BIG Lie because you think a ONE SIDED STORY is TRUTH. All the West every hears is Israel's Side of the Story,Palestine's Side is SILENCED,only to be ACCUSED of Horrors. There are three Sides to every Story.Yours,Mine and the TRUTH. Just because the One Side WON,It doesn't mean they will tell the TRUTH about the Losing Side. So keep Demonizing a People because you have learned your WWII History through Hollywood Movies and the LIES of the Synagogue of Satan,who uses the BIG LIE to Slaughter and Steal Palestine because they "Suffered". They've gotten away with Using the BIG LIE for 75 years.
Yes, the Israelis will be remembered alongside Nazis for their sadism and depravity. Starving a population while aerially bombing mostly children and women and their families while lying to the world and gaslighting their victims and targeting their supporters. The victim's victims crimes. It is also important to critically question the German government and Germans. Nearly 25% of weaponry is from Germany. As their support is unconditional and absolute, their level of unintelligent emotions being shamelessly propagated is entrenching their complicity along side the Americans and British. Ask what else are they getting wrong? Be logical about what happened post wwII. Why do they have an army again? Why do they train with the Americans for decades before they were allowed to have an army? And who approved them having an army after unification? What will 100 Billion Euros do for a German army proven to be riddled with Nazis, racists and xenophobes? What missions will they take on in the global south? Journalist, do your job. How and by whom are Germans allowing themselves to be mislead yet again? They haven't learned a thing. As Gabor Mate says "Never Again" IS UNIVERSAL! Yet we fail over and over again. Three proven genocides by Germans within a 130+ years. Do you know how Darfurian survivors were treated as refugees in Germany? Some self deported back home choosing a genocidal war zone rather than be humiliated by Germans. What does that tell you? Everyone gets to live! Why is this confusing or difficult to grasp?! I will always remember this happened to the Palestinians. The world seems forever changed by this genocide. Will we get it this time around? Let it change us-humanity for the better.
Thank you for the scrupulous detail with which you've combed through these atrocious claims. This work is absolutely imperative for keeping the world's eyes open to the truth. Few of us have the media literacy skills to identify and pick apart propaganda in this way. You did it brilliantly and clearly.
Most of the dead on October 7 were killed by the IDF helicopter gunships and tanks , Hamas could not possibly have burned thousanda of cars and dozens of homes with their light arms . The truth has this pleasent habit of always coming out .
@@Rastaferrari829 what counterpoints are you looking for do extensive non biased (if possible) research how that day unfolded and you can see every video of Hamas infiltrating ,looting stores first than beginning to ambush and attack please pay extra attention to the call of a terrorist to their parents celebrating the killing of people on the kibbutz and their parents responding with joy and watch the videos of girls being dragged with blood on the back of their pants but of course you’ll call it fake any excuse to just name one side of this
Kinda like every absurd claim that comes out of western media about official enemies its always evidence free ,They might as well just tell us that Hamas has an army of unicorn riding leprechauns at this point and it would be just as true as their other insane lies .
WELL THEIR OWN POLICE SAID THERE WERE NO REPORTS OR CASES OR VICTIMS...SO...ITS JUST A TESTIMONY ON THE MEDIA BUT NON OF THEM GO TO THE POLICE. AS FAR AS I KNOW ALMOST EVERY RAPE CASED I HAVE SEEN IN OTHER PART OF THE WORLD NO WOMEN EVER GO TO MEDIA FIRST TO TELL THE WORLD ABOUT THEIR GRAPE...THEY ARE TO EMBARRASSED TO DO SO AND THEY WOULD JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE POLICE INSTEAD. SO YEH, NO SANE WOMEN WHO WERE GRAPE WILL TALK ABOUT IT ON NATIONAL TV OR A NEWSPAPER.
Forensic evidence was NOT obtained. This has been documented in Israeli news publications shortly after 7/10. So anyone claiming they have concrete evidence is a liar.
A second hand statement is called hearsay in law (an out of court statement offered which is being offered in court for the truth of what was asserted). Usually, this type of evidence is inadmissible in court. What is going on here shows why that is the case.
Please look at Caroline Glick’s blatant lies on her show. I would love to see her called out by you guys. In the early days she had a woman on her show who had volunteered to get the bodies ready for burial. She claimed to have been hugging the bodies to herself to avoid losing any of their blood. Her arms demonstrated her hugging bodies upright. How ridiculous is this, a heavy dead weight being hugged to stop bleeding. A long dead body which would not be bleeding anyway. All designed to make people feel shock and empathy but it was in fact ridiculous. This lady also indicated that all of the dead women had been raped. It’s all on her show, each episode more infuriating than the last as she gulps and fakes trying to compose herself. She even attacks the Palestinian resistance girl Ahed Tamimi, very annoyed that she is being taken seriously after having been filmed slapping a soldier. She didn’t mention that this girl’s cousin had been shot in the head by an Israeli soldier just the day before. That kid got nine months in prison for that.
I can't watch that smug person. She was raised in a safe country but thought it was a good idea to go and harass and spread hate on people she doesn't know. Disgusting
Debbie Wasserman Schultz claimed "Hamas terrorists committed rapes while streaming live on social media" in the Matt Taiibi trial. Correct me if I'm wrong. She certainly implied it, that was how I understood one of her psychotic statements.
As an infantryman from the Vietnam War with many tough firefights under my belt, right off, I understood the charges of rape occurring on Oct 7 were from a Joseph Gobbles-type lie machine. It is true that rape always occurs in war, but not in the heat of battle. It is the reality of pre-battle and post-battle environments, for the shock of combat locks down the libido completely. Any psychologist will back me on this. In a firefight of the intensity of the Hamas attack, no one would have pulled their pants down to use the bathroom!
Attacking a music festival where no one is armed to fight back while you have Kalashnikovs & hand grenades is not a firefight you moron. It is a massacre. No different than you Americans attacking a hooch of unarmed Vietnamese villagers where you did lots of raping. Best hold your tongue.
Yes, they do need to stick together. I appreciate this show but don't like the negative comments about Owen Jones. Strange heading for a story. He is not a Zionist.
More like a utopian Judaic fantasyland, where “God’s Chosen People” have dominion over the inferior Arab population, whom they are free to toy with, decimate and humiliate for their own pleasure and edification. Hubris run amok.
Get International journalists to fully investigate and either take perpetrators to court for justice or those make false accusations to court for defamation and justice.
Even finding this video was hard . How can be actively debunk these lies ! Something has to be said because this is literally dehumanizing Palestinians and insighting violence against us!
the video shows a woman supposedly raped, missing her underwear... but that can't be evidence of rape, right? she must have forgotten to dress properly to greet palestinians...
Israel lost all its credibility to govern themselves as an independent, democratic, peace loving, progressive nation and be in peace with its neighbours. Doesn’t matter how much American support them they have lost in people's mind and heart. They could have easily establish peace in Middle East and be in harmony with its neighbours but they chooses otherwise. Bad move
There are in fact some new developments: UNITED NATIONS (AP) - The U.N. envoy focusing on sexual violence in conflict said in a new report Monday that there are “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhumane treatment of women during its surprise attack in southern Israel on Oct. 7. There are also “reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing,” said Pramila Patten, who visited Israel and the West Bank from Jan. 29 to Feb. 14 with a nine-member technical team. Based on first-hand accounts of released hostages, she said the team “found clear and convincing information” that some women and children during their captivity were subjected to the same conflict-related sexual violence including rape and “sexualized torture.”
I understand you saying any government shouldn’t release any information that cause harm. Unfortunately that is what they do. Mainly the state of Israel. How many decades have passed with Israel and Palestinians conflicts. I never knew the real facts over how Palestinians families were drag out of their houses and in many occasions killed. I was always misguided to think how Palestinians were troubling people. The non mainstream news helped me to understand the cowardice that have been practiced for decades. As we say in Brazil “ Antes tarde do que nunca.”
WOW. How thorough and detailed, Ali. Salaam and thanks. One note from the first week after 40 beheaded babies came out. When asked to show the evidence, the answer was that it would be disrespectful to unearth the buried bodies. However, they could not have been buried so soon afterwards without investigation. Yet another point that comes to mind is the propaganda directed at Iran especially upon death of Mahsa Amini. The Iranian government officials were randomly accused of similar claims fished out of thin air and fed to the public. Please note that I’m neither an Iranian nor Shi’a, and I’m not a resident of Iran.
This is one of several lurid claims made by Israeli politicians and officials on Oct 7 and after that made me think the entire scenario had been prepared in advance, the key message to be repeated endlessly and globally on mainstream media to justify the mass killing of Palestinians that was to follow. This was partly because of the evidence-free nature of the claims, but also because it seemed highly unlikely, given that the insurgents would surely have been too busy, either actively involved in fighting armed enemies or attempting to kidnap as many captives as possible to have had the opportunity to carry out such acts, even kf they had wanted or intended to. It seems clear to me that a plan to cause violent mayhem and suffering on the day (but in a contained area), and to exaggerate this through fictional additions, was a strategy used to traumatise the public, making people more susceptible to propaganda, including the argument that only the ethnic cleansing or genocide of the Palestinians could make them/us safe again.
_"that made me think the entire scenario had been prepared in advance, the key message to be repeated endlessly"_ You actually have a point. They indeed had certain talking point since day one, that includes lies. Thats not normal reaction for unprepared event. Really make me think...
Tbh I think its less that the entire scenario was prepped in advance and more that they literally reuse the exact same propaganda every time. Like, the exact things in the exact order. Its always the same. We however do know that Israel was aware of the attack at least a year before it happened and just sort of let Hamas get through so its not entirely improbable that they had stuff ready to go right as the attack happened.
Nettyyahoo has been funding Hamas for some time as they were his brainchildren. Unsure if Hamas know he is funding them. Of course it was planned how else do they get to the gas reserves on the beach which a British company already has been given rights to exploit.
Side note: Owen Jones is not the type of journalist likely to pander to Israeli/Zionist interests. He's what most people would describe as left leaning. Id say he's fairly even handed in his reportage.
Agreed. Owen described the attempted beheading of a live, shot Thai kibbutz worker with a garden trowel. I have seen that video, I doubt TEI would admit that.
Listening to NPR on the way home tonight and they said something like "Many Palestinians do not believe the well-documented assertion that Hamas committed sexual assaults on Oct. 7th." Ah, the buzzwords.
@@MarStoryTimeThat's pretty odd to compare allegations of sexual misconduct in America with blatantly fabricated war propaganda intended to justify the mass murder of Palestinians! Systematically exposing malignant lies is not like ridiculing a "he said, she said" accusation you think is exaggerated.
We as Palestinian Muslims, and Hamas are very, very religious, memorize the Holy Qur’an, and their hearts are merciful to prisoners and strong enemies.... We Palestinians, yes, do not believe that Hamas kills civilians or attacks. This is how our religion, Islam, treats us.... If it were true that Hamas did and killed Israeli civilians, then we Palestinians and Muslims around the world would turn against Hamas because this is forbidden in our religion.
Keep going you wondeful people for investigating and bringing out all the lies of october 7, so many lies and liars its unbelievable,pleaae go on doing what you do,you all are truly a Godsend, thank you so much💯❤️
I would just like to know how are they planning to plant this? I mean, they are claiming they have so many hours of recorded videos from kibbutzes it’s impossible not to have one single 10 sec excerpt to support these claims.
Thank you for the advice and critical examination. I also questioned the veracity of these rape claims, but was unable to know how? We cannot refute claims of rape by women, but we also cannot believe Israel. So the claim just lingers there in the air. Interesting that no direct claims have been made...
It has been said that Hamas does not have the weapons necessary to burn in the way in which victims were burned on Oct. 7th. Israel has missiles which do, and has admitted that many Israeli and Palestinian civilians were killed by Israel Air attacks.
Not just civilians, they UDF, also targeted military installations
IDF sent Apache Warships in that pilots said they could not differentiate civilians from militants. thats 12 Apaches shooting Hellfire missiles and m230 30mm rounds at human bodies. Thats gonna look like burned and mutilated bodies..
Hamas has no fire? Wow you are stupid.
I’m 100% sure that Israel killed all the civilians. Hamas shot at soldiers. More than half of the deaths were soldiers. The IOF fired from apache helicopters and fired from tanks at the Kibbutz. This has all been confirmed by so many eyewitnesses. Many bodies of Hamas were burned. Now they’re onto the next lie. Meanwhile the Times of Israel said “physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel”.
@@mikevolante7663I think it was the 'IDF', UDF don't have the resources.
My heart can’t take it anymore… The pain and suffering inflicted on the Palestinians is breaking my soul😢
I agree. It is heartbreaking.
And still many western leaders are supporting them….:(
Me too. What people also don't realise is the horrible precedent the West is setting by allowing this genocide. If we allow it, it could just as easily be us one day. Are we as a society just supposed to accept genocide, right in front of our eyes, and nothing is done to stop it? Are we to accept these atrocities as acceptable human behaviour now? This is blighting the collective consciousness of humanity as a whole, making us sick. I feel sick to my soul, or at least to my deep mind (if there is no soul). I thought our inaction over climate change was the pinnacle of our stupid iniquity until I witnessed this, and saw how many people think this is just fine, if the victims aren't from their own troop of apes.
Me too I am afraid to watch the news
I just woke up from a nightmare. I don't think it was over the atrocities done to Palestinians. I think it was over the insane justifications. We all have to listen to psychopaths try to justify their ongoing murder spree on a daily basis.
Thanks for speaking up for the truth and giving us some guidance on how to assess claims we hear and read.
They knew what they were doing, when they first started with the "40 beheaded babies" story. They knew it was going to be cemented in peoples minds.
Absolutely,and the damage is was already done,exactly what they wanted to achieve
People who believed that story are just stupid! Do you know how hard it is to find 40 babies? I worked at a daycare(only one in town) and we never had 40 babies at ones, not even 20!
Absolutely
Surely some of the people who were conned by the story will start to question what they are told in the future.
Beheaded babies or not, what Hamas did was so atrocious that the poor people of Gaza are paying the price for what Hamas planned a year in advance: As a result being attacked so badly by Israel that Hezbollah and Iran would step in and help them - The second part didn't happen. What's more, those who planned this crazy plan (Hamas leadership) are lavishly living, with the Billions they stole from the Gaza people, safely abroad, far away from the conflict - Just think about it!
Hamas has a Creed of Conduct which was revised in 2017 under which its soldiers must follow. They are also under their religious beliefs which forbid such horrible actions against non combatants in times of war. So rape by Hamas soldiers is just propaganda to correlate with the "human animals" stigma.
Exactly. Such an action is "zina by coercion" and is forbidden. Hamas members are fundamentalist and observant, unlike ISIS who were/are uneducated in Islamic jurisprudence, wildly reactionary, and only observant when and where it suited them.
As I expected.
all of these atrocities are haram...I don't believe any of it
That's incredibly naive and irrational of you. You are saying that no human being ever does something contrary to the doctrines or policies of an organization of which they are a part. Don't mimic the childish religious supremacism and willful blindness of your enemy.
Women (and men, and children) have been raped by men of every army in every war that has ever been fought. And in this case you must also remember that many of these Hamas "fighters" are not men at at all, but teenage boys. Who have lived brutal, harsh lives and received zero sex-education and have no healthy outlets for the things it's perfectly normal for teenagers to feel. They do not have the self control of adults let alone trained soldiers.
What the media is doing right now is incredibly ugly and racist and selective, yes, but you will only play into their hands by sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge that individuals fighting for righteous reasons can still do wicked and wanton things.
No serious Muslim goes for war to rape. NEVER.
Thanks team for spreading The Truth. You are brave and honnest.
You mean liars and stupid . It is unbelievable how all the commenters here fall for such BS . Does having a M@slim name make you automatically lie and believe lies ,if they are against jews ?
Don’t forget dumb and incorrect!
My question is how does the mainstream media justify running these stories with such flimsy evidence?
Because it happened , the victims were interviewed.
By adding a sentence or two at the end of their articles pointing to the fact that the evidence is flimsy!
@@Srcccfythey literally said they haven’t!!! 🙄
Because they are controlled by the same chosen goblins, and have lost all credibility on large scale this time.
@@SrcccfyThey literally didn't find one victim. All they found was second-hand statements. What kind of meth induced Israeli propaganda are you high on.
As an advocate against sexual abuse, I didn’t trust these reports. Thank you for the detailed research on who is behind them.
Yes, the supposed eye witness accounts like 6:11 are suspicious to me and unrealistic. The fact the reporter pointed out the victim was beautiful and she was screaming sentences, it feels very fictional. Rape is about power, not lust.
Rape victims can be anyone, yet the media has to emphasize the victim is beautiful to make it believable that she was targeted? Weird detail to include in such a horrific story.
And the quote seems hard to believe as well. Most people being beaten and raped by multiple people will not have the energy or ability to scream sentences. Most likely they would be sobbing from pain or dead already.
Seems like you're just trying hard to not believe witness testimony@@Anngrl69
You don't understand what is going on. Who taught the Nazis how to commit genocide? Why?
Isral can only present unverifiable evidences only purchased testimonies
@@michaelparks5669 can you expand on this please
This is extremely thorough and insightful! Thank you for your excellent journalism
lol sucker
I tried reporting your comment, but they didn’t offer “being dumb” as an option for why.
Israel always uses "Trust Me Bro" as its source of evidence
Jimmy is a homosexual
Idiot! Go wash your mouth from your lies!
So does Hamas.
@@lhighchief in reference to what? Because if you're conflating civilians with H, and civilians documenting the gcide, the photographic and video evidence of Israeli atrocities is OVERWHELMING.
@@lhighchief Do you have any examples? Have members of Hamas been interviewed on CNN?
Another fact is that not a single Israeli woman released by Palestinian fighters shared anything about rape or even any other kind of abuse during captivity.
Makes you wonder why Hamas allowed the cease fire to end due to not wanting to release the rest of the female hostages they have.
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Boom ! That's exactly what I have been saying.
That's not true though. They've shared accounts of being abused. It's also important to note that the released hostages have said the reason Hamas won't release the rest of the women is because those are the women who bore the brunt of their sexual violence.
@@lhighchiefaccusations just a accusations until evidence been show or analyze..like many of Zionist government claim share/post on their media account,then after been analyze most of it was a fake information even some of accusations been deleted .
It's also really disturbing that the fabricated accounts are so specifically graphically horrific. They sound like individual fantasies, or memories, recounted by perpetrators.
This actually many of stories of Palestinians 😢
@@caylia9989 this is what Israelis do to the Palestinians, indeed.
Some of them, such as the pregnant woman getting her fetus ripped out of her stomach, is actually an account from the Nakba. I read it years ago, it was an eyewitness account of seeing a pregnant Palestinian woman’s stomach opened from the Deir Yassin masscare. There was also Palestinians burned alive and a girl who was ripped in half.
It suprised me greatly when some people believed the October 7 atrocity propaganda, I mean do some deep dives on the Nakba people! Israel is plagiarizing!!
Women has no right when they themselves ignored the right of other women supposedly from a race they dislike. They should never talk about their right, since they are mere hypocrites.
Sensitive and thorough deconstruction.
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"Bourgeois"???? You are so gay!
"The Western bourgeois" lol
Keep pretending you read Marx, you fool.
Maybe we can have a discussion about the Machine allegory, but this would mean you really have to read this book, which I doubt you are capable of.
So, you leftists always scream "#me2" and "we need to believe the victims", but only when it fits your ideology, ha?
There are OF COURSE released hostages that tell their story.
And even if they didn't, the dozens of dead Israeli women do tell.
Undeniable evidence of abuse and rape.
It’s a relief to listen to this reasoned analysis. Thank you.
I can't decide what's worse, the callous use of fictional trauma to elicit sympathy from the world, or the slap in the face that these false allegations is to real victims of that kind of violence.
Exactly
The Israelis have lost world public support. They know it, they are desperate, so let the lies and propaganda roll.
1000 people said they saw rapes, and no victim survived to tell, who are you going to believe?
@omerhechter5895 where are these alleged witnesses? Several independent investigations found no proof of "mass r*pes". So yeah, I'm gonna believe the investigations over alleged witnesses whose stories are not verified, not their identities confirmed
@@omerhechter5895 I believe Palestinians, not Israelis.
As a 'trust but verify' person, I've been waiting for any kind of evidence one way or the other when it comes to the claim of "mass rapes."
The PA has been calling for independent investigations of war crimes committed by all parties for years. Israel and its primary allies have rejected these calls repeatedly.
As they likely would with an independent investigation of Hamas atrocities (if they haven't already).
I wonder why?
Just a lot of manipulative attempts at appealing to emotions so we don't ask questions. I'm like you, i wait before I believe anything. No choice because they lie so much.
@Vesta_the_Lesser Listen and believe does not require evidence - Trust but verify does.
Amen to that
Because it didn’t happen. The West is incredibly racist and always paints POC as violent, especially towards ‘white women’ or ‘colonizers’. Hilary Clinton lied about Libyan men raping women as well, so that America could invade Libya and murder Libyans and steal their oil. They have three or four lies they repeat every single time and the racist Westerners eat it up everytime, enabling the invaders to slaughter innocent civilians with the approval of the West. The times of Isreal literally said “physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel”. They’re losing the PR battle, and everyone knows that the all the other horrible stories were lies, so they’re switching to a new made up story.
Wow, this was a lesson in how propaganda works, and how to decode it. It was also a lesson in critical reading, and another lesson in investigative journalism. I really appreciate the in depth investigations you do. Thanks so much. You deserve hundreds of thousands of subscribers, in my opinion.
The irony of this comment. Bunch of social media posts and tweets, unverified and anonymous opinion pieces and the rambling of clearly biased hosts..."Investigative journalism"?
Just be honest with yourselves, you have picked a side...you don't care about truth, evidence or facts.
Ha, this is to in-depth investigative journalism what armchair UA-cam pontification is to genuine grass-roots activism. There is nothing investigative about this ‘webinar’. It is a crass example of back-slapping, chest-pumping and a crude display of distortion and disinformation. Ever heard of trauma porn? You are chief proponents of it.
Israeli propaganda is good and even the president keeps repeating them
And yet, they managed to smear Owen Jones as a pro-Israel journalist which is a lie and a stupid one nonetheless.
Ah yes critical thinking have you tried that yourself?
Ali, EI team, I’m so grateful for your dedication.
From the Rape of the Mind, "The Provocative totalitarian strategy of slandering and wild accusations is far stronger than the denial of the same." Accusation equals guilt and simple denial is ineffective. That is Israel's purpose here.
On my list. What’s ‘interesting’ is Merloo wrote this book after or close to the end is WWII after witnessing from Holland and other places he traversed a decade of the Nazi scourge of the minds of peoples here in Europe.
I think it’s high time that “The” Holocaust and Israel are irrevocably separated, Israel is continuing to display itself as the scourge of the Jewish people as it basically pisses continually over the memories of all the millions massacred by the Einsatzgruppen and the Wehrmacht and the Liquidstion camps.
So you are also homosexual? Interesting.
These days, the lie doesn't just get around the globe before the truth gets its boots on. It lies in wait for the truth and stomps it.
@@RatPfink66 and that is by design, not coincidence.
@@RatPfink66 Yes, the lie of Islam. You make a good point.
This is why I cant listen to anything that comes out of Israel. I wanted to hear from the hostages straight away because I knew once they were returned they would be coerced into saying stuff that didnt happen.
I don't believe a word from any muslim.
@imperialmotoring3789 im not a muslim and i wasnt referring to a religion so pop ur bs back in ur pocket u poor uneducated fool.
@imperialmotoring3789 the stupidity of some to think this is a religious war is astounding.
@@CQuinnLady It's a war of hatred of the Jews and Hamas enjoying raping children.
@@imperialmotoring3789 Better to work on your own trustworthiness than to assume anyone cares who you believe.
Every projection, is a confession. Keep this to the forefront of your mind when you hear anything from them.
True
Pure coincidence I guess: these claims were (re-)pushed right after released Palestinian women spoke about sexual violence in israeli prisons.
And Palestinian boys !
Those don't need independent verification, of course.
@@susanmiller7560 Usually Israel blocks any independent verification. This includes Israeli claims.
What are the odds?
I'm sure the apartheid government holding thousands of people in extrajudicial administrative detention will be forthcoming with an independent investigation, good call Susan.
The Israeli culture thrives on lore. Great stories are told of the injustices against them. And even greater stories detail the creation of their homeland and its existence over the years with so many facts somehow forgotten.
And they never tell about their own scheming and slow taking power and spreading corruption in the what they call gentiles. They are always the victims and never did anything wrong. But now we know because why the were hated because they just don't see other people as the same, gentiles means cattle and that is how they see us.
Yeah it’s the USA on steroids
😅😅😅...when a whole community is fed with fiction😊
You indulge in watching too much Pallywood, or just conform with so much one-sided Palestinian folklore that it's almost fascinating - Yours is hate speech for the sake of hate speech
@@StoutProper On the right in the US, the more you lie, the more loyal you are. Same on the right in Israel, I'm sure.
this needs to be shared everywhere
This is a very important discussion to have. Thank you.
Caroline Glick is still spreading this stuff over and over.
Because she has seen the evidence.
NMBC hasla Guran is spreading this.. She is half Arab.
@@shuki1 She has seen the money in being a p0s
This is extremely thorough and important. Thank you.
And dumb… don’t forget that!
The freed hostages shook Hamas hands and they smiled at Hamas and waved a warm goodbye and one wrote a letter thanking them for friendship and making her daughter the queen of Ghaza. All of these are silenced by Israel so they can continue with their lies against Palestinians
What a dumbass to actually believe Hamas is friendly. Do you also believe Osama bin Laden was a saint?
Israel tried to lie and say that it was orchestrated many times which is a hilarious claim
And the problem that people believe them with out question. The watch mainstream news like it is revelation from God. I ones asked I woman do you believe everything you see on the news and with big shocked eyes she replied "of course".
It's all the more heartbreaking and infuriating that the Hamas soldiers are such apparently kind, decent human beings - while the IDF, Shin Bet, the Israeli government, ect. are full blown Nazis.
ohh come on, people will want their next holiday spent in Hamas captivity as it's almost better than a 5 star hotel in Dubai. Do you believe this nonsense? Have you ever heard about the Stockholm syndrome? And those people were probably sure they will going to be executed (or under the influence us substances), of course they were happy (to escape...) You don't need to support Israel in order to think rationally...
They don't view non J's as human.
Therefore, they believe that they are not committing any crimes against humanity.
The most horrifying prospect for most Zionists would be to view and accept all Palestinians as their equals, .....and possibly the beginning required to build trust and to live together in peace. Zionism is predicated upon an idea of Jews being god’s chosen people, special, better than all others, especially better than Arabs, and even more so than Palestinians in Gaza.
So jihads are non-human..? Do you know the meaning of the word Jihad?
@@marwamahmoud2279 Jihad means: the struggle.
So shall I start posting some lovely Quran verses that show how much you guys love Js and Christians? 🤡
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No. You read all the Quran and let everyone read the Quran by himself ..then come and tell us about the verses in the Quran that tells us to be just and fair with the people of the book..
God tells us that claiming a son to him is a sin that makes the heavens and the earth about to collapse ..If l don't love a Christian that means that l don't love him just because of that reason..but l love him as a human being..respect him ..l am ordered to be fair and just..l don't hurt him... it's logical also that the christians don't love those who deny that Jesus is god ..I understand that..the important thing is to be fair , kind and just .. helpful to each other
Now you tell us the verses that tell us to do so or the many Hadiths or sayings of the prophet that WARNS us of treating the people of the book badly or hurting them
When a side reaches to that kind of outrageous lies, it means that they are really, really, desperate
Exactly!
LMAO, The U.N. has done an official investigation and has confirmed the mass rape and sexual mutilation of civilians on October 7th. Guess that makes your side the desperate liars. 👍🏼
Great analysis🇵🇸 Thanks Ali, Nora, Asa and Jon✌️you are a great team❤️
Hamas practiced diligently for a year, each step of their attack on IDF bases, personnel and nearby farms housing heavily armed people. Success depended on making good use of every available minute, under heavy fire and an inevitable counter attack by tanks and missile firing aircraft to take prisoners before escaping back into Gaza. Did the detailed plan Israel says was followed so closely budget time for rape? Even the couple thousand freelancers who followed Qassam into Israel would have had even tighter time restraints under the same heavy fire. Yet we're supposed to believe groups of them decided to stage elaborate gang rapes/murders in full view of everybody yet leave not one frame of proof!
It seems so obviously impossible, so ridiculous, it shouldn't need this much debunking but such colossal lies can't be allowed to go unchallenged.
They're is no evidence Hamas raped people because they did not do that _or any of the other_ ludicrous and lurid claims made by Israel!
Good point. Also under time restraint they apparently engaged in gang rape, but didn't touch any of the hostages they held for two months?
Israel has cameras absolutely everywhere, so if gang rapes did happen, they wouldn't hesitate to broadcast the cctv footage to the whole world. Instead they have a 45min video shown in private theatres. lol
@@beth1979 Another good point.
@@beth1979 And the only actualy """"testimony"""" of said gang rapes is geniuenly so bizarre and phrased more like a male fantasy then anything realistic (and of course none of it had any evidence)
Hamas-holes are all homosexuals. They may have raped men though?
Truth has a way of coming out, thanks guys for great work 👍
We are living in a time when the devil doesn't even hide anymore and the world still can't see him. It's not the eyes that are blind, it's the heart.
Israel really is shockingly bad at propaganda, at least for those who pay some kind of minimum attention to the detail. They invited British journalists recently to a screening of 42 minutes of Hamas bodycam footage to put on display some of the atrocities that were comitted. No one came back from those viewings stating that they showed or suggested scenes of rape and certainly nothing of mass rape. Something like that, were it to exist, would undoubtedly have made the final cut.
do you know where I can find the British journalists' account?
@@Marilena-z4qOwen Jones l think he gave his account
They're getting really desperate. This is the beginning of the end of the Zionist project
It's all a loyalty test. They don't want you to believe them because of facts. They want you to believe them out of faith or fear. They only want the blindly loyal on their side in the fight to come.
but yet I've seen people posting that this video showing was proof that this had happened. I think pictures would have gotten out.
Thank you for speaking up for Palestinians resistance. The truth shall prevail. Free Palestine ❤🇵🇸
These celebrities like Gail Gadot and Sean Penn need to educate themselves and practice critical thinking and learn some basic standards of evidence before they willingly serve as tools for propaganda.
Willing tools/US state supported propagandists/shills (Vanessa Beeley has written about Penn) are not interested in broadcasting the facts even when having learnt them.
Gadot is Israeli and served in the IDF
Sean Penn works for the state department...he did legwork for them propping up zelenski at the start of the ukraine war ass well.
Unfortunately it’s kind of what they are there for. Just pieces of a larger machine, unwittingly or otherwise. It is in their interest to not know and instead parrot what israel says. Less work and more money.
@@maxgurman633 Thanks for the affirmation, I've been posting in response to the "Believe all women" naivete out there re: the latest Israeli attempt to inflame the "Arab beast" trope and getting lots of ad hominen attacks. At least people are reading my comments. I didn't know celebrities were paid for this type of public promotion although I have read comments to that effect.
Thank you for delving into this very subject.
One third hand "eye witness account" has this guy alleging he was at that music festival on October 7, 2023, and while hiding in the bush (was there really any bush in hide in?) he witnessed mass rapes of womem by Hamas figjhers. The Israeli propagandists want us to believe that Hamas carried out mass rapes while Israeli Apache helicopters above were firing at anything that moved. Such poor quality propaganda would make Joseph Gobbels, Hitler's propaganda chief, turn in his grave.
When confronted with allegations that are easily made with "eye witness accounts", we have to demand credible evidence (not more second hand evidence), look for objective or corroborative evidence, and use our critical thinking.
When there are 1,000 reports of rapes without a single victim turning up, I smell a rat. It's like the Uyghur genocide allegation (with estimates of 1.2 million killed) without a single body produced. It's the only genocide in history where nobody died. In Gaza, over 18,000 civilians, including over 8,000 children, were killed in 2 months. Plenty of mangled bodies as evidence. Yet, Israel and the US empire call it self defense. We are dealing with pathological liars who could tell you black is white, up is down, front is back, right is left, wrong is right, darkness is light, and genocide is self defense.
Was the October 7 attack planned and executed to a high level of professionlism? Douglas MacGregor and Scott Ritter, 2 old warriors, firmly think so. It was an attack carried out with military precision, military goals, and a tight schedule. I don't believe the disciplined fighters who carried oit their mission on Octoner 7 would take time out for mass rapes. Such a detour would have endangered the mission, and resulted in a court martial (or the Hamas equivalent).
That mass rape allegations were so easily made, and so readily believed, when not a single alleged victim has turned up, is an indication that a disturbingly high number of people believe the cheap propaganda that Palestinians are subhumans and animals. The 1,000 second hand "eye witness accounts" of mass rapes by Hamas without a single victim, and the readiness to believe them, say more about the west than about Hamas or the Palestinians.
why did it give you a hard on listening to the tales of rape,
There is a lot to unpack, and thanks for all that you do!
Once again, thank you for taking a look at these most horrific of reported crimes. I know many, many people, in this case female with the reports of sexual assault, but generally men and women with all the terrible propaganda, will choose to believe what they want to believe without too much investigation, and will still disregard any and all intelligent, diligent investigation if they choose not to believe it. However, thank you so much for trying your utmost and doing all you can to try and explain the carnage with the intent to stop any and all slaughters against any and all peoples.
I can well imagine that the idf aggressors would do these things and then take delight in blaming it on Hamas.
It may take a hit on your mental health for a min, but they did all that and worse during the dier yassin and tantura massacres during ethnic cleansing of 1948. The tantura massacres 🇮🇱 soldiers openly admit it in the documentary and if U type tantura twitter they're there too
Yes they are expert in this as they have free reign to do whatever Israhell wants with impunity 😮
@@kiaq1153 They have done so on multiple occasions, the one you mentioned is just the most well known.
The official Rabbi of the IOF has said that the IOF has religious permission to commit rape (even going to say that raping Palestinians would be good for moral) of Palestinians. That doesn't mean they do it en mass, but they are given religious permission to do so.
I would wager thatalmost all Rabbi would say that rape is forbidden. But that just goes to show how Zionism perverts Judaism.
Agree!
Thank you so much for clarifying this! Rape and assault should not be taken lightly. But in these times it is important to double-check every information we get.
Great reporting as always. Israel will be remembered just like the Naz!s
worse than nazis
@@stephencaudill2422don’t know how you could be worse than natzeies but I gave you a 👍up✌️
@@uncleshamus34511000 time worse
They Accuse the Palestinians of the Same Crimes.
You Believe their BIG Lie because you think a ONE SIDED STORY is TRUTH.
All the West every hears is Israel's Side of the Story,Palestine's Side is SILENCED,only to be ACCUSED of Horrors.
There are three Sides to every Story.Yours,Mine and the TRUTH.
Just because the One Side WON,It doesn't mean they will tell the TRUTH about the Losing Side.
So keep Demonizing a People because you have learned your WWII History through Hollywood Movies and the LIES of the Synagogue of Satan,who uses the BIG LIE to Slaughter and Steal Palestine because they "Suffered".
They've gotten away with Using the BIG LIE for 75 years.
Yes, the Israelis will be remembered alongside Nazis for their sadism and depravity.
Starving a population while aerially bombing mostly children and women and their families while lying to the world and gaslighting their victims and targeting their supporters.
The victim's victims crimes.
It is also important to critically question the German government and Germans.
Nearly 25% of weaponry is from Germany.
As their support is unconditional and absolute, their level of unintelligent emotions being shamelessly propagated is entrenching their complicity along side the Americans and British.
Ask what else are they getting wrong?
Be logical about what happened post wwII.
Why do they have an army again?
Why do they train with the Americans for decades before they were allowed to have an army?
And who approved them having an army after unification?
What will 100 Billion Euros do for a German army proven to be riddled with Nazis, racists and xenophobes?
What missions will they take on in the global south?
Journalist, do your job.
How and by whom are Germans allowing themselves to be mislead yet again?
They haven't learned a thing.
As Gabor Mate says "Never Again" IS UNIVERSAL! Yet we fail over and over again.
Three proven genocides by Germans within a 130+ years.
Do you know how Darfurian survivors were treated as refugees in Germany?
Some self deported back home choosing a genocidal war zone rather than be humiliated by Germans.
What does that tell you?
Everyone gets to live!
Why is this confusing or difficult to grasp?!
I will always remember this happened to the Palestinians.
The world seems forever changed by this genocide.
Will we get it this time around?
Let it change us-humanity for the better.
Thank you for the scrupulous detail with which you've combed through these atrocious claims. This work is absolutely imperative for keeping the world's eyes open to the truth. Few of us have the media literacy skills to identify and pick apart propaganda in this way. You did it brilliantly and clearly.
I’ve seen a number of Owen Jones’s interviews. I challenge the assertion that he “panders” to Israel.
Ever accusation that Israelis blame Hamas committing, you can actually see Israelis guilty of 😅
You said it 👍
Especially shielding…
Most of the dead on October 7 were killed by the IDF helicopter gunships and tanks , Hamas could not possibly have burned thousanda of cars and dozens of homes with their light arms . The truth has this pleasent habit of always coming out .
Exactly
Complete lies but if it helps your beliefs go ahead
@@perfumegarden1you haven’t offered any counterpoints or evidence. You’re just as bad at this than Israel 😂
@@Rastaferrari829 what counterpoints are you looking for do extensive non biased (if possible) research how that day unfolded and you can see every video of Hamas infiltrating ,looting stores first than beginning to ambush and attack please pay extra attention to the call of a terrorist to their parents celebrating the killing of people on the kibbutz and their parents responding with joy and watch the videos of girls being dragged with blood on the back of their pants but of course you’ll call it fake any excuse to just name one side of this
The one making the allegation carries the burden of evidence.
Thank you for your work of bringing this information. This is what real journalism is about.
This should go viral.
If rape had taken place wouldn't the women have been examined and wouldn't statements have been made?
What!? You mean gather evidence to prove the criminal accusation they're making!?
Kinda like every absurd claim that comes out of western media about official enemies its always evidence free ,They might as well just tell us that Hamas has an army of unicorn riding leprechauns at this point and it would be just as true as their other insane lies .
WELL THEIR OWN POLICE SAID THERE WERE NO REPORTS OR CASES OR VICTIMS...SO...ITS JUST A TESTIMONY ON THE MEDIA BUT NON OF THEM GO TO THE POLICE. AS FAR AS I KNOW ALMOST EVERY RAPE CASED I HAVE SEEN IN OTHER PART OF THE WORLD NO WOMEN EVER GO TO MEDIA FIRST TO TELL THE WORLD ABOUT THEIR GRAPE...THEY ARE TO EMBARRASSED TO DO SO AND THEY WOULD JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE POLICE INSTEAD. SO YEH, NO SANE WOMEN WHO WERE GRAPE WILL TALK ABOUT IT ON NATIONAL TV OR A NEWSPAPER.
If that was the land of palestine why are they not there?
Forensic evidence was NOT obtained. This has been documented in Israeli news publications shortly after 7/10. So anyone claiming they have concrete evidence is a liar.
Thank you for this excellent coverage.
A second hand statement is called hearsay in law (an out of court statement offered which is being offered in court for the truth of what was asserted). Usually, this type of evidence is inadmissible in court. What is going on here shows why that is the case.
When the fuck did Owen Jones "pander to Israel and the lobby?"
Please look at Caroline Glick’s blatant lies on her show. I would love to see her called out by you guys.
In the early days she had a woman on her show who had volunteered to get the bodies ready for burial. She claimed to have been hugging the bodies to herself to avoid losing any of their blood. Her arms demonstrated her hugging bodies upright. How ridiculous is this, a heavy dead weight being hugged to stop bleeding. A long dead body which would not be bleeding anyway. All designed to make people feel shock and empathy but it was in fact ridiculous. This lady also indicated that all of the dead women had been raped.
It’s all on her show, each episode more infuriating than the last as she gulps and fakes trying to compose herself.
She even attacks the Palestinian resistance girl Ahed Tamimi, very annoyed that she is being taken seriously after having been filmed slapping a soldier. She didn’t mention that this girl’s cousin had been shot in the head by an Israeli soldier just the day before. That kid got nine months in prison for that.
I never even heard of this person, but it sounds unbearable
I used to read Column One regularly. She's a disgusting creature.
These liars are beyond evil
I can't watch that smug person. She was raised in a safe country but thought it was a good idea to go and harass and spread hate on people she doesn't know. Disgusting
Never heard of this person of of someone using themselves as a sort of tourniquet like this.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz claimed "Hamas terrorists committed rapes while streaming live on social media" in the Matt Taiibi trial. Correct me if I'm wrong. She certainly implied it, that was how I understood one of her psychotic statements.
DID SHE PROVIDE THE VIDEOS? EVEN IF IT WAS DELETED ANY GOOD PROGRAMMER CAN GET IT BACK...THAT JUST NONSENSE OF HER.
@@wewenang5167 no of course she didn't. That was my point.
I hate that hideous hag.
As an infantryman from the Vietnam War with many tough firefights under my belt, right off, I understood the charges of rape occurring on Oct 7 were from a Joseph Gobbles-type lie machine. It is true that rape always occurs in war, but not in the heat of battle. It is the reality of pre-battle and post-battle environments, for the shock of combat locks down the libido completely. Any psychologist will back me on this. In a firefight of the intensity of the Hamas attack, no one would have pulled their pants down to use the bathroom!
Attacking a music festival where no one is armed to fight back while you have Kalashnikovs & hand grenades is not a firefight you moron. It is a massacre. No different than you Americans attacking a hooch of unarmed Vietnamese villagers where you did lots of raping. Best hold your tongue.
Please share this with Owen jones, I think he’d appreciate the evidence you’ve shown. You guys need to stick together! Good luck. Barb
Yes, they do need to stick together. I appreciate this show but don't like the negative comments about Owen Jones. Strange heading for a story. He is not a Zionist.
Israel 'The Empire of Lies'
Hamas"The gayest homosexuals on the planet".
More like a utopian Judaic fantasyland, where “God’s Chosen People” have dominion over the inferior Arab population, whom they are free to toy with, decimate and humiliate for their own pleasure and edification. Hubris run amok.
@@imperialmotoring3789 Funny that you say that because LGBTQ is a Jew thing, not a Muslim thing.
@@imperialmotoring3789 that burn was ice cold 🥱
@@imperialmotoring3789typical self-contradicting Israili. Women raped by homos?????? 😂
Get International journalists to fully investigate and either take perpetrators to court for justice or those make false accusations to court for defamation and justice.
They should interview the eyewitnesses that claim they saw this so that experts can see that they're lying
Also the photos and videos taken by the #Hamas_is_ISIS are lying ? There are EVIDENCES
they should interview the freed woman hostages if they were raped since they were with Hamas fighter for almost 6 weeks, the answer is NO
They have interviewed them. The answer is yes.
can you send proof please? @@shuki1
@@shuki1where are those interviews? Can you provide a link?
@@beyzayildiz5296 not yet released to the world. Still to early. FWIW, several abortions were already done at Tel HaShomer hospital.
Thank you guys. Keep up the good work.
Even finding this video was hard . How can be actively debunk these lies ! Something has to be said because this is literally dehumanizing Palestinians and insighting violence against us!
False news
Aggressively share and get them to like, the algorithm will push it up
the video shows a woman supposedly raped, missing her underwear... but that can't be evidence of rape, right? she must have forgotten to dress properly to greet palestinians...
Truth ultimately prevails
Thank you for your good work.
Israel lost all its credibility to govern themselves as an independent, democratic, peace loving, progressive nation and be in peace with its neighbours. Doesn’t matter how much American support them they have lost in people's mind and heart. They could have easily establish peace in Middle East and be in harmony with its neighbours but they chooses otherwise. Bad move
Hamas should all go marry men and be happy.
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Nice SPIN! You've got your whole world views upside-down - Try studying real History, not just Arab propaganda
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@@imperialmotoring3789nobody wants to hear about your fantasy man.
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There are in fact some new developments:
UNITED NATIONS (AP) - The U.N. envoy focusing on sexual violence in conflict said in a new report Monday that there are “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhumane treatment of women during its surprise attack in southern Israel on Oct. 7.
There are also “reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing,” said Pramila Patten, who visited Israel and the West Bank from Jan. 29 to Feb. 14 with a nine-member technical team.
Based on first-hand accounts of released hostages, she said the team “found clear and convincing information” that some women and children during their captivity were subjected to the same conflict-related sexual violence including rape and “sexualized torture.”
this is shocking thanks guys for sharing the truth
" Thou shall not bear false witness" 9th commandment
That is I guess only amongst them selves. Other law apply when dealing with gentiles.
It's always worth listening to Ali Abunimah. Thank you for the information.
Governments and journalist should make sure that the story they're telling is true and not just a rumor that could cause harm.
I understand you saying any government shouldn’t release any information that cause harm. Unfortunately that is what they do. Mainly the state of Israel. How many decades have passed with Israel and Palestinians conflicts. I never knew the real facts over how Palestinians families were drag out of their houses and in many occasions killed. I was always misguided to think how Palestinians were troubling people. The non mainstream news helped me to understand the cowardice that have been practiced for decades. As we say in Brazil “ Antes tarde do que nunca.”
They won’t if it justifies their thirst for genocide
Pro tip: you can tell they are lying when their lips are moving.
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Powerful reporting - I will share this.
WOW. How thorough and detailed, Ali. Salaam and thanks.
One note from the first week after 40 beheaded babies came out. When asked to show the evidence, the answer was that it would be disrespectful to unearth the buried bodies. However, they could not have been buried so soon afterwards without investigation.
Yet another point that comes to mind is the propaganda directed at Iran especially upon death of Mahsa Amini. The Iranian government officials were randomly accused of similar claims fished out of thin air and fed to the public.
Please note that I’m neither an Iranian nor Shi’a, and I’m not a resident of Iran.
Their own government officials issued an official apology on the “little mistake”
The condition of the freed hostages speaks volumes against these lies
You obviously have not seen any of the testimonies.
@@shuki1 I do not need to
Owen Jones has been consistentlyhighly critical of Israel in this conflict
Thank you for this work, it’s so important and appreciated!
This is one of several lurid claims made by Israeli politicians and officials on Oct 7 and after that made me think the entire scenario had been prepared in advance, the key message to be repeated endlessly and globally on mainstream media to justify the mass killing of Palestinians that was to follow.
This was partly because of the evidence-free nature of the claims, but also because it seemed highly unlikely, given that the insurgents would surely have been too busy, either actively involved in fighting armed enemies or attempting to kidnap as many captives as possible to have had the opportunity to carry out such acts, even kf they had wanted or intended to.
It seems clear to me that a plan to cause violent mayhem and suffering on the day (but in a contained area), and to exaggerate this through fictional additions, was a strategy used to traumatise the public, making people more susceptible to propaganda, including the argument that only the ethnic cleansing or genocide of the Palestinians could make them/us safe again.
_"that made me think the entire scenario had been prepared in advance, the key message to be repeated endlessly"_
You actually have a point. They indeed had certain talking point since day one, that includes lies. Thats not normal reaction for unprepared event. Really make me think...
Well said
Interestingly, the music festival was moved closer to the border at the last moment, and then extended a day.
Tbh I think its less that the entire scenario was prepped in advance and more that they literally reuse the exact same propaganda every time. Like, the exact things in the exact order. Its always the same. We however do know that Israel was aware of the attack at least a year before it happened and just sort of let Hamas get through so its not entirely improbable that they had stuff ready to go right as the attack happened.
Nettyyahoo has been funding Hamas for some time as they were his brainchildren. Unsure if Hamas know he is funding them. Of course it was planned how else do they get to the gas reserves on the beach which a British company already has been given rights to exploit.
Side note: Owen Jones is not the type of journalist likely to pander to Israeli/Zionist interests. He's what most people would describe as left leaning. Id say he's fairly even handed in his reportage.
Agreed. Owen described the attempted beheading of a live, shot Thai kibbutz worker with a garden trowel. I have seen that video, I doubt TEI would admit that.
Listening to NPR on the way home tonight and they said something like "Many Palestinians do not believe the well-documented assertion that Hamas committed sexual assaults on Oct. 7th." Ah, the buzzwords.
"Well-documented assertion."
Reminds me of every MeToo accusation.
Well documented is not an assertion. That phrase has undoubtedly been before
@@MarStoryTimeThat's pretty odd to compare allegations of sexual misconduct in America with blatantly fabricated war propaganda intended to justify the mass murder of Palestinians! Systematically exposing malignant lies is not like ridiculing a "he said, she said" accusation you think is exaggerated.
We as Palestinian Muslims, and Hamas are very, very religious, memorize the Holy Qur’an, and their hearts are merciful to prisoners and strong enemies.... We Palestinians, yes, do not believe that Hamas kills civilians or attacks. This is how our religion, Islam, treats us.... If it were true that Hamas did and killed Israeli civilians, then we Palestinians and Muslims around the world would turn against Hamas because this is forbidden in our religion.
I'm sure the endless parade of Neocons on NPR wouldn't lie to us :) .
Ilan Pappe on Israel: "We are witnessing the beginning of the end"
The genocide of Israel at this time and the tunnels, and the lies, reminds me of the US war against the Vietnamese.
Appreciate the content you’re putting out!keep going
Keep going you wondeful people for investigating and bringing out all the lies of october 7, so many lies and liars its unbelievable,pleaae go on doing what you do,you all are truly a Godsend, thank you so much💯❤️
The alleged rape victim was not screaming or yelling for help but she was giving lectures to the so called rapists lol what a shameless lie
You guys are amazing
I wouldn't believe a regime that commits such atrocities.
I would just like to know how are they planning to plant this? I mean, they are claiming they have so many hours of recorded videos from kibbutzes it’s impossible not to have one single 10 sec excerpt to support these claims.
They don’t care because they know mass media will report their lies as facts and by that point lots of people will believe it.
Hm
We don't beleive them
They can even stage any video to justify masacres on Palestinians
Still zero proof that a single palestinian has been harmedd also.
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😂 you have nothing to say and you think anyone would anything you say .
About the baby in the oven, read the story of the Deir Yassin massacre on april 1948.
My thoughts on this is that even if these lies were true it still doesn't justify genocide. Nothing does.
How long is it until it will become illegal in many countries to question the events on Oct 7. Like some other well known event.
The other well know account, yes I know about that well questionable event.
Both must be questioned thoroughly, regardless of what policies may come.
Truth.
Please keep on sharing this video.
All they needed to do was bring in independent investigators. The fact they didnt is a huge red flag.
Thank you for the advice and critical examination. I also questioned the veracity of these rape claims, but was unable to know how? We cannot refute claims of rape by women, but we also cannot believe Israel. So the claim just lingers there in the air. Interesting that no direct claims have been made...
But you believe the hamas-holes?
Hamas propoganda is bad....
No direct testimony. As they said. Claims of rape are always used to try to justify genocide.
They have proven to make less claims, but true ones…
That's why this rape campaign is clever. And evil and sad for true rape victims.
What would it take to make this viral?
Sharing.
It is very good investigating to expose these lies. Well done!