There is nothing new here this has been going on since the beginning....how do you explain only 2%of students at Yale come from a poor family, Am I to believe that if you come from a rich family you are automatically smart enough to get into Yale...No, it is the politics and money.
But your forgetting how expensive Yale is also. Of course most students are rich. I am middle class and get ZERO assistance from government for my kids tuition. The poor get a lot of grants. My kids get terrible debt. Who complains about that?
The World Is A Vampire Am pretty sure if your middle class child get accepted to Yale, you will find the money...student loans etc....most students regardless of income want to attend top Universities so I don’t believe the reason is affordability....please extrapolate from this....the rich kid is neighbor the senator (letter of recommendation) or school chancellor, judge, doctor, police chief etc....it not what you know it is who you know there forever....generations of one class of people have an open door to these schools while the average joe think all he need is high SAT scores....
I am from Massachusetts my son is a well-known high school student here in Mass, he was the second student out 530 students in he's graduating class. he had an awesome SAT score, he did not miss one day of school in 8th Straight years, he applied for all these colleges and University an only one offer him a scholarship, out of 6 ivy league colleges only one offered him a scholarship and it wasn't even a full scholarship and he was rejected by a a lot of the colleges that he apply even stinky ass UMass Lowell and the reason why is because he was supported by a single Dad with low income. that time I even told my son, son don't worry the only reason why you're not getting anything is because I make nothing my income is very low. I remember i told him this years ago since 2008 that the only way for him to go to college to get good grades and he'll get a scholarship, well he did his part. I was very disappointed and now I know why is because it is all about money and don't give me the BS that the schools did not know nothing about what's going on at the schools. They do know about what was going on and they pick and choose who they want so . F U and yes I am disappointed I am frustrated and I am mad with myself that I believe in hope there is still a system that helps low-income families and it's just not true. Oh by the way I forgot to mention that he did three years of ROTC.
And I know for a fact that my son's academic grades and he's accomplishments are more than qualified to any of the top schools in the country and that will qualify him for a full scholarship I just want to apologize but I'm a little worked out about this situation it is just so disappointed
@Panther 74 Escaping thank you for your message and it's just disappointed as a parent when you see your kid for years working very hard to get good grades an be a good person and I'm not saying this because he's just my son but I can back it up to anyone he's Graded his accomplishments I even forgot to mention in the message that my Son did 3 years of ROTC I could go on and on with stuff that he did in school it's just disappointed but anyways I want to thank you for responding
I am sorry about your son but I am sure he is more of a man then any of the clowns that accepted to Boston U, Harvard etc. The media keeps telling us that if you work hard that you will be a success. I am sure in your son's case this will be true. Probably most of the applicants that got accepted to Harvard or Boston U have some sort of drug problem. In the end I believe that your son will put to shame those schools that rejected him for some drug addict.
It's a shame the very top of this pyramid will never be penalized for this. The peon Singer dude is the one they are going after. And I'm SURE he's not the top!
It is just the end results of all of the "participations trophies" for all teams and players involved! Just show up and go through the motion and you will get rewarded with a trophy!
@Seth Ellison it appears Michael's post covers "Tump" with "all of the" and "all teams and players". The bottom line is what they do with this extended elite privilege. Do they become successful or do the squander it. Do they us it for betterment or distruction.
@Seth Ellison Notice I did not single out any group of people, I just stated the facts with our education system. Trump got into school due to being accepted on criteria all of us had to go through to be admitted to a college or university. Did you know that President Trump's IQ is in the top 3% of Americans? If you do not like him you must be a communist liberal, pedophile, democrat, traitor, raciest, are combinations of the above. He is working for all of us to gain the control of our country back.
Can one of these 50 folks send me a check to pay off my student loan? I graduated and hope that one of these rich Caucasian folks can send me something. I mean I had a good score, but not enough money to get to one of these Ivy Schools.
Everything you said i agree with. However there was no need to point out that they are "Caucasian" . Consider yourself lucky not to attend any of these "Ivy schools".
How is this supposed to be an interesting conversation, hearing from two people who directly benefit monetarily from the current pseudo-pay-to-play regime at colleges? Couldn't Jim get better guests on, or just a former coach (who seems to be pretty okay with boosters) and someone who is literally part of the problem?
What I don't understand is, when parents have this kind of money, why can't they hire tutors to help their children study and learn so their test scores go up? In the end, it isn't all about the name of the school but how much you know. A good example are Apple and Microsoft founders Jobs and Gates. They dropped out of college and achieved so much. And if your test scores are so poor, how are you going to do the homework? Parents hiring tutors after the fact? And if you love a school so much, can you still take one class at a time without being accepted just to learn? Unfortunately, I don't live anywhere near any of these 'better' schools and am strapped financially.
I'm anything but surprised, its unfortunate that the parents think there kids are not smart enough to make it into college on there own, and are taking spots from hard working kids looking for a better future that, an "EARNED"education would give them. At the very least these kids should be kicked out or retested and put on a public registry so employers or future employers will know who they are. The Collages should be put to task as well, they already make enough money from tuition !!!
Funny that they would have people who make a living on how to game the current admissions process to discuss how to change the process in a way that could eliminate the need for what they do? 🤓
First and foremost, let’s see if the schools do the right thing and expel the students who benefited from this fraud.
Uncle Trev Don’t hold your breath.
Uncle Trev Nah....cause they can't give back the bribe money that the already enjoyed and spent!
There is nothing new here this has been going on since the beginning....how do you explain only 2%of students at Yale come from a poor family, Am I to believe that if you come from a rich family you are automatically smart enough to get into Yale...No, it is the politics and money.
But your forgetting how expensive Yale is also. Of course most students are rich. I am middle class and get ZERO assistance from government for my kids tuition. The poor get a lot of grants. My kids get terrible debt. Who complains about that?
The World Is A Vampire Am pretty sure if your middle class child get accepted to Yale, you will find the money...student loans etc....most students regardless of income want to attend top Universities so I don’t believe the reason is affordability....please extrapolate from this....the rich kid is neighbor the senator (letter of recommendation) or school chancellor, judge, doctor, police chief etc....it not what you know it is who you know there forever....generations of one class of people have an open door to these schools while the average joe think all he need is high SAT scores....
Akan - Not really. The main reason that few Yale students come from poor families is that it is expensive.
They can just pay off the Judge. Be Best!
DA JR67 That's exactly what will happen!
Make the admissions process objective and transparent!
I am from Massachusetts my son is a well-known high school student here in Mass, he was the second student out 530 students in he's graduating class. he had an awesome SAT score, he did not miss one day of school in 8th Straight years, he applied for all these colleges and University an only one offer him a scholarship, out of 6 ivy league colleges only one offered him a scholarship and it wasn't even a full scholarship and he was rejected by a a lot of the colleges that he apply even stinky ass UMass Lowell and the reason why is because he was supported by a single Dad with low income. that time I even told my son, son don't worry the only reason why you're not getting anything is because I make nothing my income is very low. I remember i told him this years ago since 2008 that the only way for him to go to college to get good grades and he'll get a scholarship, well he did his part. I was very disappointed and now I know why is because it is all about money and don't give me the BS that the schools did not know nothing about what's going on at the schools. They do know about what was going on and they pick and choose who they want so . F U and yes I am disappointed I am frustrated and I am mad with myself that I believe in hope there is still a system that helps low-income families and it's just not true. Oh by the way I forgot to mention that he did three years of ROTC.
@LUIS VELEZ I don't think we did and actually I want to thank you for reminding me on top of his accomplishments he did three years of ROTC.
And I know for a fact that my son's academic grades and he's accomplishments are more than qualified to any of the top schools in the country and that will qualify him for a full scholarship I just want to apologize but I'm a little worked out about this situation it is just so disappointed
@Panther 74 Escaping thank you for your message and it's just disappointed as a parent when you see your kid for years working very hard to get good grades an be a good person and I'm not saying this because he's just my son but I can back it up to anyone he's Graded his accomplishments I even forgot to mention in the message that my Son did 3 years of ROTC I could go on and on with stuff that he did in school it's just disappointed but anyways I want to thank you for responding
I am sorry about your son but I am sure he is more of a man then any of the clowns that accepted to Boston U, Harvard etc. The media keeps telling us that if you work hard that you will be a success. I am sure in your son's case this will be true. Probably most of the applicants that got accepted to Harvard or Boston U have some sort of drug problem. In the end I believe that your son will put to shame those schools that rejected him for some drug addict.
It's a shame the very top of this pyramid will never be penalized for this. The peon Singer dude is the one they are going after. And I'm SURE he's not the top!
Peter Roby is a great interview and a fountain of information. Too bad the host kept interrupting him.
BREAKING NEWS:
Water is wet
It is just the end results of all of the "participations trophies" for all teams and players involved! Just show up and go through the motion and you will get rewarded with a trophy!
@Seth Ellison it appears Michael's post covers "Tump" with "all of the" and "all teams and players".
The bottom line is what they do with this extended elite privilege. Do they become successful or do the squander it. Do they us it for betterment or distruction.
@Seth Ellison Notice I did not single out any group of people, I just stated the facts with our education system. Trump got into school due to being accepted on criteria all of us had to go through to be admitted to a college or university. Did you know that President Trump's IQ is in the top 3% of Americans? If you do not like him you must be a communist liberal, pedophile, democrat, traitor, raciest, are combinations of the above. He is working for all of us to gain the control of our country back.
so he used a foundation for money laundering.. yet another reason why i never give to foundations.. if i give its only going directly to a person
Same here just look at our politicians. With all the rich powerful elites it is pay to play !! Only money matters in the end !!
Can one of these 50 folks send me a check to pay off my student loan? I graduated and hope that one of these rich Caucasian folks can send me something. I mean I had a good score, but not enough money to get to one of these Ivy Schools.
Everything you said i agree with. However there was no need to point out that they are "Caucasian" .
Consider yourself lucky not to attend any of these "Ivy schools".
@LUIS VELEZ your correct. I hope they throw the book at them
WELL KNOWN FACT: rich kids parents pay $$$$$ & pull strings. Glad they got caught, but this surprises people? Lol.
Next is hearing about the rich foreigners who got admission to their favorite college illegally
But the school and students all benefit from a donated building. This scam was bribing the coaches and the SAT proctors
Wow!
How is this supposed to be an interesting conversation, hearing from two people who directly benefit monetarily from the current pseudo-pay-to-play regime at colleges? Couldn't Jim get better guests on, or just a former coach (who seems to be pretty okay with boosters) and someone who is literally part of the problem?
Affirmative action isn’t enough?!
What I don't understand is, when parents have this kind of money, why can't they hire tutors to help their children study and learn so their test scores go up? In the end, it isn't all about the name of the school but how much you know. A good example are Apple and Microsoft founders Jobs and Gates. They dropped out of college and achieved so much. And if your test scores are so poor, how are you going to do the homework? Parents hiring tutors after the fact? And if you love a school so much, can you still take one class at a time without being accepted just to learn? Unfortunately, I don't live anywhere near any of these 'better' schools and am strapped financially.
First FYRE then THANOS now this???!!! what the fuck is going on there.?
I'm anything but surprised, its unfortunate that the parents think there kids are not smart enough to make it into college on there own, and are taking spots from hard working kids looking for a better future that, an "EARNED"education would give them. At the very least these kids should be kicked out or retested and put on a public registry so employers or future employers will know who they are. The Collages should be put to task as well, they already make enough money from tuition !!!
ITS ALL B.S. THIS PANEL TOO. THEY'RE ALL IN.
Separate competitive sports from the education side of universities.
Funny that they would have people who make a living on how to game the current admissions process to discuss how to change the process in a way that could eliminate the need for what they do? 🤓
Hahah AS IF THEY WOULD ADMIT TO BEING APPROACHED hahaha
lol,so sad