Rob Bowman: The Trouble With the Trinity (FAF 2015)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Former Adventist Fellowship Conference, February 13-15, 2015
In the 19th and early 20th centuries several new religions emerged that professed to believe in the Bible and in Jesus Christ but either denied or redefined the doctrine of the Trinity. These included Mormonism, Adventism, Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Oneness Pentecostalism. In this session, we will explain what these groups get right and what they get wrong on the subject and consider objections posed by most or all of these groups to the classic doctrine of the Trinity.
Rob Bowman is a much-published author and a Christian apologist specializing in new religions. In 1984 he began working as a researcher and editor at the Christian Research Institute (CRI) under Walter Martin. Today he is the director of research at the Institute for Religious Research (IRR). Prior to working with IRR, Rob was the manager of Apologetics and Interfaith Evangelism for the North American Mission Board which is an agency of the Southern Baptist Convention. Today Rob is arguably the foremost Christian apologist in the world. He has authored close to sixty articles and a dozen books, and his most recent books reflect his concern with doctrines that tamper with the deity of Christ or with the person of the Holy Spirit.
I have a problem with the Trinity... I'm a sinner in need of God... I'm the problem not the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit. thank God that he has provided Himself as a propitiation for us all
Other than "arguably the foremost Christian apologist in the world," where did he train, learn Greek and Hebrew? Don't tell me he's just a god-gifted man! If so, take his words with a cautionary mind.
Has anyone ever been shown so much truth that u just want to fall to ur feet weeping.
The Bible says in 1John 5:7, For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and These three are One.🕊️🕊️🕊️Amen.
( The old testament is the New testament concealed, and the New testament is the old testament revealed .Amen )
That is NOT in the best manuscripts.
Good material. He did get a couple of details wrong about what the JWs believe, though.
The way I think of it is like this: YHWH Elohim, has no form or limit, and God the Son is the IMAGE of God, having the actual form of a human being. The Word or logos that is the communication of YHWH, the very "self expression" of God the Father. God the Father is outside of image, direction, form, time, space etc. While God the logos, the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament, coming down and made flesh, Jesus Christ is without time, but does have Space, dimension, image, being in perfect hypostasis with the Father, being omniscient, and omnipotent. While the Father is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. So I have two "persons" of the "Trinity" but the Holy Spirit, can we say it is omnipresent because apparently it does not reside in the unrepentant sinner??? It apparently takes form, like it comes down in the form a dove to Christ??? I am Not obviously a Unitarian but I just don't understand Trinity is all!
I think he is the manifest of three but works as one. Jesus told us himself if a house is divided against itself it cannot stand.
Adventists do not believe in the Trinity?!!!!I had no idea!
tfuntowatch They believe in the Trinity. Its in their 28 fundamental beliefs. All supported by scripture. That is the only scripture. The bible.
tfuntowatch.
The S.D.A. General Conference does adhere to the Trinity and has for many years ( at least 40 years), but the early pioneers and founders included quite a few Arian leaning people, such as James White, Ellen's husband.
Therefore the S.D.A. did not have a definitive creedal position on the Trinity and included many who wrote against it.
Me either!
Your philosophy doesn’t agree with scripture.
Of note: Bowman actually doesn't believe in the Trinity in spite of what he preaches, but a "Quaturnity."
Orthodox Trinitarianism posits three Divine persons as God, or the three "Whos." And these three Divine persons fully share in the "essence," "nature," or "being" of God, or the Divine "ousia." This is the one impersonal "What," which is also called "God" speaking for what the three Divine persons share in collectively.
"Please do not confuse the one 'What' that is God with the three 'Whos' which are each God," as the saying goes from Trinitarians.
However, Bowman rejects calling the Divine ousia a "What" that is God. And claims God is never a What, but is always a "Who." But this means that the Divine ousia for the "being" of God is now personal which now makes for some kind of quad-personal God.
Or a Quaturnity.
Isn't this really heretical to orthodox Trinitarianism then?
if its one, in three personas, how in this world you end up with four? I watch the video, and you cant come up with that! if GOD is omnipotent, then the trinity its not a problem, that's a fact.
Very confusing!
HT. II This is an idiotic response. A Trinity cannot be a Quadrinity. You do understand the Law of Identity, don't you? Probably not... Take a seat before you embarrass yourself further with your childish Ad Hoc/Strawman definitions of Trinity.